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SPEAKER_01It's been uh been a few weeks. It has been. A couple of weeks since we've been live. So last week we weren't live either. No, and we're still not live. We're still not live. Still not live.
SPEAKER_00This is the welcome to the recorded cast, Michael. Yeah, absolutely. We hope everyone's had uh a good Easter time and you've kind of been rested if you've been away and things like that. Um but I'm sure if you're like us, you're now back into the full swing of things again. Rearing to go. Ready to go, absolutely. So today we're talking about the issue of persecution in the global church, and we're kind of talking about this off the back of the events of this weekend. You've probably seen on the news uh the bombs that went off in Sri Lanka um on Easter Sunday morning. Um and uh three churches uh were targeted as well as four hotels um in the kind of capital city of Colombo. And at the moment, as as the death toll stands, it's at 321 people have been killed, 45 of whom they say are children. Um, and there are still, I mean, the 500 or so have been wounded, there are still people they're saying fighting kind of for their lives in intensive care. Um at the moment it's still a little hazy who's quite responsible for it. Two kind of little known um Islamic groups have been linked to it, um, but then also today uh Islamic State uh have claimed responsibility, but there doesn't seem from what I've seen, there doesn't seem to have been any evidence put forward by from any sides as to why they think it's these people or who, you know, those who are claiming responsibility don't seem to have been able to prove that either. Um but it's been a huge kind of it's been uh uh obviously destruction on a huge scale. I mean there was talk of police finding a uh a six-foot pipe bomb um full of you know packed with explosives things as well as kind of 87 detonators found at the bus station in Colombo. Um it could have been even worse, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01As devastating as it was, it could have been even worse.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the scale of it is is huge, but it seems like they they were finding bombs and diffusing them as well as um bombs obviously having gone off and stuff. So um the defence minister of Sri Lanka has said that uh again uh they've not released any information as to how they know these things, but they're saying the preliminary preliminary investigations have revealed um that this was in retaliation for attacks against Muslims in Christchurch. Um the shootings um only a few weeks ago, so you might remember those events as well. But as I say, at the moment it all seems a bit hazy. There's a lot of things being thrown around, but no one's really confirming where you know these in this information's coming from and stuff.
SPEAKER_01So yeah. And on the same day, obviously Easter Sunday, so targeted at churches, at those celebrating Easter, um, when we're meant to be celebrating life from the dead, so particularly galling and tragic. Um, that here here is uh the death of the living when we're meant to be uh celebrating the life from the dead. Um, and also the same day as uh the Prime Minister was always going to make this sort of public statement um about the persecution of the church more globally, and and even before uh the bombs ripped through those churches in Sri Lanka, um, she said that she would be spending her Easter in church giving thanks. Um, and she'd be giving thanks because many Christians around the world um will face huge danger for doing exactly what she was going to do in Britain uh in great safety. And and of course, the the tragic irony of it is that um she didn't quite know how how dangerous it would prove to be that Easter Sunday for worshippers um to gather. And so Theresa May on uh Easter Sunday said that the government has launched a global review into the persecution of Christians, and she wants to ramp that up. And so Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt is going to uh expand his government review into the worldwide persecution of churches. And uh that's going to be led and is being led by the Bishop of Truro who is going to talk about how governments uh how this government can better support those who are under threat. Um and it was very interesting that uh the Bishop of Truro um uh what's he called again? Philip Mount Stephen. Uh uh he actually wrote in the Times um uh in the aftermath of the Sri Lankan uh attacks, and here's this person who is tasked with the job of looking into persecution of Christians around uh the world, and he said he noticed something in the coverage of the Sri Lankan accounts, um, that there wasn't perhaps the same level of attention given to Christian victims of persecution as perhaps in other atrocities that have happened. And he wondered aloud in the times whether it was a sense of post-colonial guilt and this sense that, well, obviously we all know in this country that Christians are the majority, they are not the victims, they are the victimizers, they are not the persecuted, they are the persecutors, and we just don't we we don't have a sense in our cultural narrative that it's the Christians who would be getting the wrong end of the stick, because isn't it the Christians who are the bad guys around the world? And so he he wrote very intelligently about the fact that that it that is not the state of play aro around the world. Um Open Doors is a as a UK charity and and they've uh uh published this year a report that says that there are 245 million Christians worldwide who are facing severe persecution. Um and you know, 80% of all persecution, all religious persecution in the world is targeted at Christians. Which I think is that's a quite surprising thing for for most secular Westerners, is it? That Chris Christians are the most persecuted group on planet Earth, religiously speaking. Yeah, I would have thought so. It doesn't it doesn't really fit the narrative because the Christians are the bad guys, we we are the ones who are persecuting everybody else, we are the ones with the cultural power. And yet at some at some point we've gotta we've gotta have a look at at reality. At some point we've got to look at at these stats. Um like what open doors um uh have said, and and you've been looking at some other um stats online as well that open doors have have kind of come up with.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So um so open doors have said that uh this uh I don't know when they say this year, that's the uh study they did this year. 245 million Christians worldwide face severe persecution, um which is obviously a huge number. Um 80%, as you said, of religious persecution is directed at Christians, and it falls disproportionately on women. And forty-seven per cent said rape was also common uh related to a woman's Christian identity or choice of faith. And then it said Christian men are most often subject to pressures related to work, military or militia conscription, and non-sexual physical violence, um, whilst women are specifically most frequently targeted through forced marriage, rape, and other forms of sexual violence. So I mean the scale is is huge. Um but we don't hear much about that kind of thing here, do we, so much?
SPEAKER_01No. And you know, and very interesting that in the same week as the bombers ripped through uh the churches in Sri Lanka, uh, on the Monday of of Holy Week, uh Notre Dame was burnt, and and um you came up with an interesting stat just today about about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we were saying that uh Google searches for Notre Dame versus Google searches about the Sri Lankan bombings are actually seven to one. So there have been seven times more um searches, people searching for Notre Dame and information on that than there have been about the Sri Lankan bombings.
SPEAKER_01And and and that's you know particularly tragic when you when you think that in in 1 Peter 2 uh it describes the the real temple, uh the living stones, people who are built together on the Lord Jesus, the chief cornerstone. Um and that that really obviously uh our um our hearts and our sympathy must be for people. Um and it's it's Christians built together that are the true church. You know, uh I often say when I when I'm in a beautiful church, I I say, you know, this is not a beautiful church. It's it's not that you've come into church this morning, it's that the church has come into this beautiful building. Um and the beautiful building of Notre Dame burnt down, but but really the temple of the living God was was blown apart on Easter Sunday in Sri Lanka. And so there is a mismatch of um value when we care more for things than we do for for people. Um But but there are other factors involved in that. There were far more smartphones in Paris, and so there are far more pictures of what's going on, you know, and so as as people you know search for the images of what happened in Paris, they're gonna get images of what happened in Paris, and there are reporters on the ground, and that's much less the case in Sri Lanka. It's even less the case in um in places like Sudan or northern Nigeria where you know there are churches being burnt down and and um people murdered um quite frequently there. And yet we don't hear about it, and partly that's just a function of there aren't reporters on the ground, and there aren't those sorts of things. So it's it's not as though there's necessarily a targeted bias against Christians in these things, it's just the nature of the case that if something happens closer to home, you're gonna have more reporters covering it. Um but persecution globally is definitely a thing, and religious persecution is massively a thing, and 80% of it is directed at Christians. And I just I just wonder whether that's like a narrative that we don't hear enough of, and and maybe we don't hear enough of it because we tend to think that Christianity is Western. Certainly, secular people in the West tend to think that Christianity is the white man's religion. Um and and yet that's that's simply not the case. I've been um reading this uh this great uh new book uh by Rebecca McLaughlin uh called Confronting Christianity: 12 Hard Questions for the World's Largest Religion. Um I was talking to Sam Albridge the other day. He said, This book is the new Reason for God. This is this is this generation's reason for God uh book. And I have been reading it, it is a sensational book, and she sort of starts out by exploding some myths about Christianity in the world, and uh and she says, look, in Western Europe and North America, the proportion of people identifying as religious has certainly shrunk, but at a global level, not only has religion failed to decline, but sociologists are now predicting an increasingly religious world. While numbers do not tell the whole story, by 2060, the latest projections suggest Christianity will still be the largest global belief system, having increased slightly from 31% to 32% of the world's population, Islam will have grown substantially from 24% to 31%, Hinduism is set for marginal decline from 15% to 14%, and Buddhism from 7% to 5%. Judaism will hold stable at 0.2%, and by 2060, the proportion of humanity identifying as atheists, agnostics or none, will have declined from 16% to 13%. Yes, declined. For those of us who grew up under the secularization hypothesis, this comes as a surprise, pleasant or otherwise. So what is happening? And then she goes and uh takes twelve chapters to have a look at that question. What's happening? Why is Christianity still m the most uh uh uh growing uh belief system in the world? And uh that's that's kind of not what people think, because people people see um churches in England being converted into blocks of flats, and and they think, well, that's that's the church in decline. What's interesting is you know you you never see the story about you know the church that's just bought out a cinema and has taken it over and uh is is turning secular spaces into uh spaces for Christians to meet in. You don't you don't hear those stories so much. But certainly the narrative here is that in the West uh we are declining. Uh but that uh is not at all kind of the the the the international perspective. And you you were looking at some statistics as well on on uh the growth of the church and and how it's non-Western.
SPEAKER_00Yep, so how things have kind of flipped round. So a hundred years ago, century ago, eighty percent of Christians lived in North America and Europe, and it's just forty percent today. Um but in 1980, more Christians are found in the global south than the north for the first time in a thousand years. So today the Christian community in Latin America and Africa alone accounts for one billion people. So things have kind of flipped quite substantially, and we watched um there's the the little open doors map. Gospel maps, gospel maps changed over time, and you can see how Christianity has spread out into the south far more than uh in the north.
SPEAKER_01And it's like like as the church grew, like from the first century, um, for the great majority of of the time, up until really about 1300 or 1400, um, there were more Christians east of Jerusalem than west of Jerusalem. You know, so the the the idea that Christianity is a Western thing, um actually for the majority of church history kind of before the Middle Ages, um, and now, ever since 1980, um, it it certainly hasn't been a Western European thing at all.
SPEAKER_02Hmm.
SPEAKER_00So you want to hear this bit about William Carey?
SPEAKER_01Hmm, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it says when William Carey went to India with the threshold of the 19th century, only 1% of the entire world's Protestants were found in the non-Western world. So that meant that 99% of all Protestants lived in the Western world. So it's no wonder people call Christianity a white man's religion. Even 100 years after Carey at the turn of the 20th century, only 10% of the world's Protestants lived in the non-Western world. However, the 20th century witnessed a dramatic shift downward and eastward, such that today approximately 67% of the world's Protestants live outside of the Western world. That means that today the majority of Protestant Christians are non-white and non-Western in their ethnic and geographic orientation.
SPEAKER_01And so I mean you get that, you know, the the average Anglican in the world is a 25-year-old Nigerian woman who has to walk more than a mile to get water every day. You know, that's true. When you think of an Anglican, what do you think of? You should think of, you know, a young Nigerian woman. Um that's that's the picture of of global Christianity. Um, you know. Uh and and therefore, if you if you are against Christianity, you just need to be aware that you are against a whole lot of racial minorities, even within the West. Um so, for instance, black Americans in um in in the US, um, 75% of them say that religion is very important to them. Uh, less than half of white Americans say the same. So three-quarters of all black Americans say religion, and they're they're speaking almost um universally about Christianity at that point, um, is very important to them. And and so, if you, in the name of uh you know, inclusion, want to poo-poo Christianity because you think it's the white man's religion and you think it's the oppressor in all these things, you end up you end up speaking against and ridiculing people of color, um, Latinos and blacks in America. And and so this this whole narrative that to be on the side of the uh uh uh oppressed is to be against Christianity, just just even within the West, we need to like completely um get rid of that. Christianity is truly global, and it's global in a way that other faiths just aren't. So, you know, 95% of Muslims live in one of three places, you know, the Middle East, North Africa, or South Asia, particularly Indonesia. That's 95% of Muslims. You can sort of group in that sort of way. Uh 88% of Buddhists live in East Asia, 92% of Hindus live in India and South Asia. So for these great world faiths, they very much are associated with with certain areas of the world and even uh terms of uh uh Hinduism with certain you know races.
SPEAKER_00Um, but not so with Christians. No, so 25% of Christians live in Central or South America, 22% live in Africa, 15% in Asia, 12% uh in North America, and 20% in Europe. So obviously that's a much broader, well that's a uh much more evenly spread kind of uh spread. Yeah, it's it's it's quite the spread of a spread.
SPEAKER_01Yes, spread of a spread. It's and it you know, when when people say, you know, I could never be a Christian because I'm so I'm so much for inclusion, and Christianity is against inclusion, you just think, well, actually, Christianity is the most inclusive belief in the history of mankind. The church is the most inclusive institution um that anyone has ever seen, encompassing people from different races and tribes and classes and cultures, um, uniting them together in this one body. Um, it's just phenomenal. It's the most phenomenal sociological thing that's that's it that's ever happened in the in the history of the world. So, you know, I've often as Christians you can feel like you're on the back foot when somebody starts bringing up the issue of inclusion and diversity. And you're like, well, I I know I know the most inclusive, diverse group on the planet. I'm actually part of it. You know, what group are you part of? Inclusive is your group. So come on in. Come on in. But one thing I really wanted to kind of think about was um, so Theresa May uh has wanted Jeremy Hunt to step up this global review of persecution around the world, and then that has caused other people in the UK to say, alright, there is persecution out there in the world. How can you deny that when the bombs go off in Sri Lanka? But uh conservative MPs David Davis and uh Gary Street um are wanting to say uh, let's turn our focus on the UK, because there is persecution here in the UK. And David Davis uh told the mail on Sunday, Mr. Hunt is quite right to look at the dreadful persecution Christians suffer in some countries, but he should also be mindful that many Christians suffer discrimination in our own country. He should ask the bishop to expand his inquiry. Um Gary Street said, There's certainly a case to be made that in the UK we are marginalized. And I just yeah, I wonder if we can think about what what do we make of that? Um it it it seems it seems hard to to to try to put ourselves forward as marginalized and persecuted when 321 Sri Lankans have lost their life.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So it's all well it's it's all kind of relative, isn't it? You know, you you you see that or you compare a few years ago where you know um Islamic State were kind of sweeping through areas of the Middle East and Christians were being forced to leave their homes or being beheaded or put up on crosses. And to then anything we face kind of pales into insignificance, really, doesn't it? So I mean I mean it would be fair to say that there are definitely um there are defin definitely instances where we can say Christians are discriminated against or people think Christians are stupid or foolish, but I mean people think flat earthers are stupid or foolish, you know, and it's not a faith thing. Um we were talking earlier about how you know some people would say if you're if you're politically right of Jeremy Corbyn, they'll call you a fascist. If you if you question anything if you question about you know immigration policy in any way, shape, or form, they'll say you're xenophobic or racist. Um people just love to throw Epithets. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Should we say epithets?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, let's do that. They love to throw these things at each other. Um but uh the you know people are doing that regardless of faith. People are throwing these you know these epithets at each other, regardless of today. Yeah, it's not simply because of people's religion.
SPEAKER_01Um you're about to tweet something or you're about to post something on Facebook and you're like, oh, should I? Because maybe. And it's not that's not just it's not just Christians who feel like they need to self-censor. Sure. You know, or that they might get into trouble. You know, any number of feminists are very nervous that they'll be called a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, a turf, because of you know, certain views about gender, not tied to religion in any way. You know, a friend of ours we were just talking to um really believes in homeschooling and and he kind of you know feels um homeschoolers are looked upon with real um suspicion. You know, what are they getting up to behind closed doors and that sort of thing? But then as he was reflecting, he was kind of like, well, actually, you know, the homeschooling community is not, you know, not exclusively by any means a Christian thing. It's just um we're all bullies, aren't we? And anyone who's in any kind of minority in any situation faces bullying.
SPEAKER_00And it's hard, isn't it, to say like to say that you the church here faces persecution. You know, we might want to say you know, when was the last time you saw a Christian depicted well in the media? You know, like what all your characters on TV were whether they were good examples or just they're just presented as kind of Slightly trite backwards types. But then, you know, then people will say, like, oh, yeah, but the church, you look at the Church of England and the sway it has Right. Bishops in the House of Lords. Bishops in the House of Lords, the Queen's the Governor of the Church of England. It's a bit like when people say, Oh, you know, the BBC, they're all so left-leaning, and then all the lefties will be like, oh no, they're so right-leaning. And you're like, well, you can always find stuff either way.
SPEAKER_01Um and that's the thing, you can always find it if you're looking for it. And so that that's really interesting, as David Davis and Gary Street are saying, Well, let's look for it. And as Christians are like, oh yeah, let's look for it. Let's look for it. Like, really? Are we meant to look for it? You know, again, one Peter is just springing to mind. You know, I think one this is this is your homework, people. Your homework this week is is read 1 Peter because it you know it starts out as you know, the temple really is God's people sort of knit together, but they're they're knit together in suffering and in persecution, and they really are getting it. Like if you if you think you're getting it, they're they're living through Nero and things like that, you know. And and and yet he even gets to um, you know, in 1 Peter 4, he says, Um, you know, if if you are persecuted for the name of Christ, then you are blessed, but don't suffer as a meddler, right? You know, it's like there are there are way there are ways of bringing persecution onto yourself.
SPEAKER_00Well, yes, and also I I know that's not what you meant when you said don't suffer as a meddler, but there are people, it just made me think of like some people wear persecution like a medal. Yeah. Like, and so the how I mean how many times I've lost count of people saying, like, well, if people are having a go at you, then you must be doing something right. Yes. And it's like, possibly, right, or you could just be being a jerk. Like, and and there are plenty of Christians who do that as well, who deliberately inflame things, yeah. Um, who post or say the things that you think you think were so unwise or needless.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00And you think no wonder people jumped on you because you've said this or that completely with no context, yeah, you know, yeah, and then they just say, Oh, I said it in love. You're like, Because telling the truth is love.
SPEAKER_01Speak the truth in love is like be a be a jerk with a smile on your face. Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't know. I think yeah, no offense, but there's definitely there's definitely persecution we bring on ourselves, and there's and there's definitely times we cry persecution when I don't know, it's it's just the nature of living in in a fallen world, and there are gonna be people who misunderstand you, and there'll be people who sneer at you, you know. Paul was sneered at in the Areopagus. He didn't he didn't call the cops.
SPEAKER_00Isn't it frustrating for us when we you you feel we can have a legitimate legitimate dialogue or conversation about something and people shut you down by just labelling you as a a transphobe or a homophobe or some kind of bigot or whatever? Right. But actually, it's very easy for us to just do the same as soon as someone questions anything to do with Christianity, we go, oh, they're clearly anti-Christian. Christophic. Yeah, Christophic. Let's not use that word. No, no, no, but you know, that we're it's very easy to do the same. Um which is what you know, I just think sometimes we we don't necessarily we're a bit blind to that as Christians, that we can be very hypocritical about stuff. I mean it's the whole This is why I'm very nervous generally about people censoring any groups. Right. Because and I always find it a bit strange when Christians start so there's a lot of stuff at the moment about like censoring far right voices, and I have no interest I don't want to hear far right voices in the sense that I don't agree with them. Um, you know, I think a lot of the things that come out of it, or almost everything that comes out of it, is terrible. But I just think if we start censoring them, we'll be next anyway, you know. There's a there's a or there's a definite possibility. So I always find it strange when Christians are saying we should censor that. I'm just like, well, but people could easily do the same to us with the same reasoning. So I'd be very nervous of it, but like please don't use the Christophobia thing.
SPEAKER_01Like, like we like I don't know. I've been online for the last you know ten years on Facebook, people like saying, please, you know, I have a reasoned critique of the ideology behind Islam, don't call me an Islamophobe. Because to call me an Islamophobe is to say that I have an irrational fear of the of the Muslim, and I don't I love the Muslim, but I'm dead set against the Islamic you know ideology. So don't call me Islamophobic if I come and bring reasoned critique of the Quran. And like, yeah, that's that seems fair, right? Islamophobia is uh can be used as a smear to shut down reasoned debates. And the same with transphobia or homophobia, um, it's it's not as though it's that shouldn't be used to shut down reasoned critique of of people's positions. And so it's it's quite often the very same people who say, don't call me a transphobe or a homophobe or an Islamophobe, who now want to say, but let's have this thing called Christophia and let's label all these other people as Christophobes. Like, no, no, let's let's get get out of the the phobia suffix. Can we can we just let's get rid of the phobia suffix?
SPEAKER_00And the reality is like none of us none of us wakes up on a Sunday morning and goes to church and thinks, I don't know if we'll make it home today. Right. Like it just doesn't happen where we are in the UK or in the US or you know, generally in the Western world. Right. We don't have any fear of those things. And so whilst you know I I it's definitely right for us to say there's a level of um discrimination that does occur. Sure. Um I think it's hard hard to point to stuff in the Bible and say, oh, this is exactly what the apostles were going through, you know. Well not really, like those guys really went through it and you know, people lost their life. And I mean if you've ever read I mean it's worth getting hold of um Fox's Book of Martyrs, which is free, you can get it on Kindle for free. I mean, you read that and the way people people died in the early days, particularly, and it's just terrific.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um yeah, and in a sense you don't need to because you just read about Sri Lanka, read about China, yeah, read about North Korea, read about northern Nigeria, and and you'll see this this stuff really is happening around the world, and I I do think it cheapens it to to I know nobody wants to equate what we're going through here with those bombings or the persecution that happens around the world. I know nobody wants to equate those things, but when you start to use the same terms for both, it does start to equate them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And so, you know, are we going to be persecuted? Yes, but persecution is our context, it should never become our complex.
SPEAKER_00And and we need to remember as well that it's if if there are voices that persecute against Christianity, it is often a vocal minority. I mean, I'm always surprised by how many people I mean, people are still relatively warm to Christian faith in the UK, probably even more so in the US. It's much, you know, they're they're we we were talking the other week about how in evangelism terms the US is a bit behind us because they're still such a Christian country, even more so than we are, and we think of ourselves as being quite secularised, but people are still very you know, they're they're still warm to Christianity. Just think the number of people who who are don't go to church and then they have kids and they're like, Oh, but I wanted to bring the kids along to raise them right, you know, and people still want to come to church and at Christmas and Easter, I mean it was ra at Christmas, uh sorry, Easter morning on Sunday at church, it was Ram. My church was Ram had to sit in the special seats at the back, you know, to get the seats out and whatnot. And you know, most of those people, I'm thinking like, Yeah, where have you been? You know, like who are you? Like, but they've all rocked up. Um and if they were that anti, if it was like everybody hates the Christians, they wouldn't even turn up at Easter and Christmas like they do.
SPEAKER_01No. So no. Yeah, our churches were round on Christmas on Easter morning and no bombs went off. So, you know, that's that's a win. And and you know, the New Testament is far more concerned with when persecution happens, and it will happen, but when persecution happens, we'll pray for your persecutors and bless those who curse you and do good to those who ill-treat you. You know, that's that's the teaching of the New Testament. And uh, calling the cops and arguing for our rights comes down the list. You know, it does come down the list. Um and and obviously the Apostle Paul does stand up for his rights at at various points in the book of Acts, and he uses his Roman citizenship and things like that. So he does he does maintain his rights uh to certain treatment at certain times, and that's in the in the name of justice, that's great. But we believe in something deeper than justice, beyond justice, uh that is mercy. So, you know, let's let's be praying for Sri Lanka, uh, let's be praying for the church there. You know, as as as you said, you know, I d we don't go to church worrying whether a bomb's gonna go off. Um it is just a yeah, it's it's amazing to be to think yourself into that position where you wonder, should I go this Sunday? Um there's a chance. There's a there's a chance it'll be an attack. Um so let's pray for our brothers and sisters um around the world in the in the persecuted church. And um and let's in our own culture, in our own society, um not court persecution, um but be ready that when it does come that we would pray for those who persecute us and keep on lifting Christ high. I think that's that's our little homily for today. Um yeah, sorry we haven't been live, uh, but uh basically it's it's to do with the Wi-Fi that we have here in our temporary accommodation. We're waiting for our studios to be rebuilt. And uh while we're in temporary accommodation, the Wi-Fi is not really up to the upload speeds that would be required for a Facebook Live. Um so you'll you'll get us after the fact. Um do please uh comment, we'd love to interact with you in the comments. Um do uh be aware that we're gonna uh post this on Friday as well as a podcast, and uh and then we'll get back into the swing of things next week. Soon, hopefully. We might be back in. We might be well the the the works are meant to finish this Friday. So whether whether we're able to move back into the offices um by next week. We shall see. We'll see. We shall see. We'll keep you posted. Soon.
SPEAKER_00Soon. We'll keep you posted. Awesome. Well we'll leave it there then, I guess. That's pretty much that's pretty much all we need to say. So great. We'll catch you next time. Thanks for tuning in. Bye. See ya bye bye.