Today on the Evangelist Podcast, the Trinity and Evangelism.
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SPEAKER_03Today we're going to be looking at the Trinity and Evangelism. Yes. So why are we looking at Trinity and Evangelism?
SPEAKER_01Because it's Trinity Sunday, uh Andy, as you obviously know, you're you're up to date with the lectionary and the church calendars.
SPEAKER_03Well maybe Sunday held at this time of year?
SPEAKER_01Well, it's interesting, is it that you sort of you've got Christmas as that's always at the same time of year, and every year, you know, even if you don't believe in church calendars and that sort of thing, and who cares if, you know, at the end of the day, who cares about church calendars? But it's it's a way of kind of, you know, if you want to do such a thing, it's a way of kind of discipling your mind according to the gospel. And and and really thinking about um yeah, how how the gospel actually shapes our perception of time so that, you know, Advent is a kind of time when you kind of think about the Lord's coming. He's coming at the at Christmas, but also he's coming again in judgment, and and there is a time of the year you devote to thinking about the coming of the Lord Jesus. And then, you know, Lent is a time when you you get ready for the gift of Christ at Easter, um, and then Pentecost is a time when you think about the gift of the Spirit. And actually, what Trinity Sunday is, is the Sunday after Pentecost. Right. Really, it's a kind of a reflection back on all the other events of the gospel. Okay. Christmas is the gift of the Father, you know, the the the gift of the Father who is the Son, and then Easter is the Son giving himself, and Pentecost is the Son giving the Spirit to us. And so after we've gone through those gospel events, the week after that, you kind of collect your thoughts together and you think, okay, so who is this God? This God who sends his son and sends his spirit. Ah, he's the triune God. So that's why we think about Trinity Sunday on the Sunday after Pentecost. Uh, because we're basically reflecting on the God of the gospel.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. There was a time when uh any search for Trinity Sermon Sunday came to your website.
SPEAKER_01That's true. I used to do a lot of yeah, I pay back when I was uh you know looking at my stats, you know, figuring out, you know, how many people are clicking. And it was a little disturbing to see the number of, you know, especially on Saturday nights, because they passed as a kind of running.
SPEAKER_03Well they downloaded a PDF from it.
SPEAKER_01Very quickly, yeah. Yeah. So yes, if you if you hear people, you know, preaching sermons about when I was born in Australia and I, you know, moved to the UK when I was 14, you're like, oh I think that might have been Glenn. But litch, I mean, I I have actually I I wasn't expecting this. I I downloaded the sermon from this American pastor, um, and it was a Trinity Sunday sermon. Right. And he just started talking in all these really familiar terms. It was a it was a sermon on Galatians chapter four, and right towards the end of the sermon he said, and actually I've got to come clean, you know, a lot of these thoughts I've got from Glenn Scriffen. I've never met him before. It was just the weirdest thing. Um so yes, it's it's interesting, isn't it, that actually when you click on when you search for Trinity sermons or Trinity Sunday sermons and that sort of thing, um, yeah, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel such that you wind up on my website and you and you end up uh reading. But yeah, I I got loads and loads of people reading um my sermons, um, but unfortunately it was for like the day before they were due to preach them. So it doesn't doesn't speak much to the preparedness of preachers, but uh yeah.
SPEAKER_03Good. So we're talking about uh the Trinity and Evangelism uh today. W why talk about the Trinity and Evangelism? Um don't we want to simplify things rather than complicate them?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Well, yes, you yes, we do. We do want to simplify things. But I'm always thinking about Albert Einstein's quote. He he once said, Um things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler. Which I think is a real word of caution that that there are ways of actually stripping back, stripping back, stripping back until you've got nothing left. Yeah. Or until you've got something so weak that's left that it's no longer the gospel that you're talking about. So absolutely things should be made simple, but um not simpler than they ought to be. And actually what I think ought to be irreducible about the gospel is that we have the Father who sends his son by the Spirit so that we by the Spirit could be united to the Son and brought back to the Father. I kinda think that I don't think you can strip your gospel back barer than that. And I and I think I've got historical precedent on my side. I think, you know, when you look at the Apostles' Creed or you look at the Nicene Creed in the in the early centuries of the church, who are taking this gospel out to these pagan nations, what those creeds are doing, that they are basically evangelistic tracts. But they're not quite intended for the non-Christians, but they're basically what evangelists are doing when they huddle back together and think, okay, so what what have we been preaching to the nations? What is essential to the gospel? And what they could never get beyond or get simpler than is, you know, I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, I believe in his only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, I believe in the Lord, the Giver of Life, the Holy Spirit, and actually the Trinity was always this irreducible core of what the Gospel was. So that like early evangelists like St. Patrick going to Ireland, you know, when he goes to Ireland, what is what is Patrick famous for? The shamrock, exactly. You know, and and he uses the sh the shamrock, and we'll we'll talk, I guess, about analogies.
SPEAKER_03Although I have to say there are shamrock deniers. Really? People that deny that it was anything to do with St. Patrick. Oh. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Alright, so okay. So the so maybe maybe Patrick never actually used that analogy.
SPEAKER_03That's what some people say.
SPEAKER_01Oh, really? Well, yeah, maybe. Let's let's let's think the best of it. Let's think the best of Patrick. Let's let's imagine that he didn't use that rubbish analogy, because it is a rubbish analogy. But what he is famous for is preaching Trinitarianly to Ireland. What he wanted to bring to them, it's interesting, he didn't bring to them the bridge diagram as as good as the bridge diagram is, you know, but he brought to them God, and not just any God, the triune God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And it's just interesting that that these days we tend to think of Trinity as this unnecessary complication to the gospel. And and at that stage, we're kind of thinking, you know, that we want to strip God out of our gospel presentation, as as though all we want to talk about is sin and salvation.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And not the God against whom we sin and the God who actually saves us sinners. So, yeah, we need to be simple, but no simpler than than we ought to be. And to get us back to the absolute basics of the gospel, you've got to talk Father, Son and Spirit, or you're not really talking about the Christian God.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because uh even more necessary nowadays when you know God can mean anything. Yeah. And uh you know, any kind of thing. I I picked up on your your website you'd written before about uh Trinitarian that one of the problems is it's not so much on the Trinity as the omnibeing. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this kind of big f f f blob of force in the sky.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And uh Which is what most people think of when they think of God, I think. In the West, anyway. I mean if if you grew up in India, then you've probably been, you know, shaped by Hindu, you know, concepts of of deity and you're not quite thinking in those terms. But I think in the West you've probably been shaped by Greek philosophical thoughts, and and there's one way you can you know test that. When you go when you think back to religious studies lessons at school, if you had such things, if you if you got religious education at school, probably your teacher taught you that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, which is a good one. He's he's omnivore omnivorous, he's ambidextrous, he's trifocal, he's double jointed, he's you know, he's all these things. And and actually that's that's all of what Aristotle and Plato were saying about God, you know, centuries before, you know, Christ came in the flesh. Um and you know, those Greek philosophers were coming up with the idea of God, having not encountered any kind of biblical revelation at all. And so is that really what God's like? The omnibeing? Is that really and I think a lot of our difficulties with understanding Trinity is basically that we want we're desperate to cling on to the omnibeing. And that's our foundational view about what God is. And then we think of the three persons as the nuance, as the sort of the the the yeah, this this extra layer of detail that doesn't quite fit with the omnibeing, but never mind, that's the mystery of the Trinity, we imagine. We imagine that the mystery of the Trinity is how we unite the three persons with the omnibeing, as though that's the mystery. Well, if you're having trouble uniting the three persons with the omnibeing, no wonder. They're not they're different gods, right? There's the three persons who are united as one, that's the biblical god, and there's the omnibeing, and you know, that's a different god. So really what we we don't need to unite the three persons with the omnibeing. What we really need to do is look at the three persons and how they are already united as as this eternal, mutually indwelling family of oneness. That is who the living God is, and let the Greek God of philosophy take the hindmost, you know, who cares about that guy, whoever that is. Um but that I think undergirds our problems with Trinity is basically we we leave that doctrine of God unquestioned, and then we try and think about the three persons. Whereas I think if we just start with Jesus again, we start to reshape our doctrine of God in a triune fashion. Um and then we can just leave yeah, um and by when I say all this, I don't mean that God is not omnipotent and omniscient. Right. Um is he all powerful? Yes. The Father by his son and in the spirit does whatever he pleases. That's that's very powerful. Um but there is a try and shape to that omnipotence, you know. Is he omniscient? Does he know all things? Yeah, the father by the son and in the spirit knows all that he wants to know and and um is complete in knowledge in in in those senses. Um but you've got to start with Trinity and then understand his power and then understand his wisdom. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, well um how we do that, how we communicate that's quite difficult because we've already jumped in quite deep. We have we have so explaining Trinitarian evangelism in a simple terms, do we get the old creeds out and walk people through the Nicene Krieg or something like that?
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SPEAKER_01Uh I don't think so. I yeah, so I d I don't think it's about um yeah, trying to introduce people to um abstract concepts, even like Trinity. I don't think you even need to use the word Trinity necessarily. I if your friend brings it up, then you you you use it. Um but you know, I mean the apostles got on fine without the word trinity, the word trinity is not in the Bible. Um Pericuresis is not in the Bible, homousius is not in the Bible, these Greek terms that that you know later Christians use to find the the doctrine. Um that's not necessary. Um what's really necessary is talking about Jesus. So actually when I talk w when I say that we must be Trinitarian, what I really mean is we must be Jesus focused. But as soon as you're Jesus focused, you're saying Jesus is Lord. Okay. So that's the center of our of our evangelism. Jesus. The Lord Jesus Christ. Oh, wait a minute, what does Christ mean? Oh, Christ means anointed. Anointed with the Spirit. Ah, okay, anointed by who the Father. Okay, so this one who is Lord introduces us to two other persons. He's he is the Son of the Father and he's filled with the Spirit. And so the only way to understand him as Lord is to understand triune concepts. He is not in a sense, he's not a different Lord to the Father or the Spirit. Um He reveals the Lord, and there is a great unity to the Lord, but he is a distinct person as the Lord Jesus Christ, who brings us to the Father and fills us with the Spirit. So it's not really about beginning with the creeds, it's about beginning with Jesus. And as soon as you begin with Jesus, you say, Ah, he's the Son of the Father, he's full of the Spirit. And so I've got to have some kind of concept of the fact that that God is a loving unity of three. But once I've got that concept of God as a loving unity of three, then Jesus makes all the sense of the in the world because well, of course that's why he's praying, you know, because he's talking to his father by the spirit. Oh, and that's why he's paying for our sins before the Father. Um because he's the Son of the Father and he's offering himself by the Spirit. Um so what I mean in terms of Trinitarian evangelism is just being a gospel-centred, Jesus-centered kind of person. If you're obsessed with Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, then at some point your friend's gonna say, Hang on, you said Jesus is Lord, but he's praying to the Lord. How is that possible? Well you said Jesus is Lord, but then you said he's praying to himself. So he's praying to himself. Is he schizophrenic? Is he what's what's going on? Or you know, he's on the cross and he's you know paying off our sins before God. I thought he was God. How do you get this? And and so actually, so Trinity is not meant to complicate things, it's actually meant to clarify things. And actually, as soon as you say, I know he is the Son of the Father, praying to his father by the Spirit, oh he's the Son of the Father paying off our sins before God the Father. Um then you're not complicating things by talking about the Trinity, you're actually clarifying them. So, yeah, I don't mean bust out the creeds, I just mean be really, really Jesus focused. And as you're really, really Jesus focused, you're just gonna have to talk in triune terms because you have to you you're just gonna have to talk about the Son of the Father full of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_03Uh another helpful phrase I've heard you say is uh, you know, when you think of God, think of Jesus, because he's the exact representation of his being, as it says in uh so Hebrews 1.3, or you know, Colossians 1 15, he is the image of the invisible gods.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Or John 1 18. No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten Son at his father at the Father's side has made him known. So yeah, it's just being absolutely focused on the Jesus God. And that's that's really all Trinitarian theology is. It's determining to know God in the face of his Son, the Lord Jesus.
SPEAKER_03We mentioned uh uh St. Patrick earlier. Uh he used an analogy to explain the supposedly. Maybe he didn't. Yeah, maybe.
SPEAKER_01Maybe. But somebody, some people do.
SPEAKER_03So the analogy was the shamrock, which is a leaf with three petals.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um so is it a good idea then to have like analogies?
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SPEAKER_01Like, where is it in Isaiah that God says, To whom shall you compare me? You know, it it seems a little bold to then say, Oh, how about a bit of grass, God? Um Yeah, I'm not I'm not a big fan of the analogies. I mean, just I mean, pressing into the shamrock analogy, it's it's not as though the father, son, and spirit are these three different bits of God. Right. And like the Son of God is like a third of God and the Father is a third of God, and and you you get them together and they you know they add up to one God. Um that's that's not what God is like. Um what are some other analogies? I'm trying to think.
SPEAKER_03I well I have to say that I quite like uh the ribena and blackcurrant juice analogy. Okay. When I was a child, you know, when I was explained the Trinity, said well it it's the same thing, but it's different, got ribena and blackcurrant juice apparently.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Oh. Okay, so what's so but ribena's not a flavour. Ribina's just the brand. So it's the name that you call blackcurrant juice.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, basically.
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SPEAKER_03But it's a brand of Okay. So okay. So I mean, in a in a sense, for as a child, I I found that helpful. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because I I I know you go into it too deep. Into any any analogy, and yes, it all falls apart. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so the analogy would be okay, so you could call this this glass in your hands, you could call it Ribina, you could call it black currant juice, or you could call it squash. Yeah. Three names, one reality. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. By the way, there are no sponsored place, right? Other brands are available. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Robinson's for instance. Um so okay, so okay, but what so the limitation but it's it's important to know the limitations of these analysis. So the limitations would be that if you press this, so basically you you'd be saying that there's just one thing called gods, and from one angle you call him father, from another angle you call him son, from another angle you call him spirits. But it but it's just one thing. Um and at that at that stage that's that's um the heresy of modalism, right? So that's um so that that would be to say that there's just one person, but viewed from different angles, um, he takes on different names. Another another version of of modalism would be, you know, I am both a son and a father and a husband, right? And those are those are three kind of relationships that I have, but I'm just one person is the problem. And the problem the problem with thinking about God as just one person is the gospel really breaks down because okay, i Jesus, if he's just God without distinction, then he can't bring me to the Father or fill me with his spirit because he's just one thing, right? Whereas the gospel depends on Jesus, the distinct son of the Father, filling me with his spirit and bringing me before the Father. Um so so that's that's the weakness of the Ribina Robinson's little own brand um analogy.
SPEAKER_03Well what if you're gonna be able to do that um like water has three states liquid, solid as as ice, yes and steam.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yes, which again is modalism, right? Because because um then it would be kind of like okay, so in the old testament God is ice and in the Gospels he becomes water and then after Pentecost he becomes steam. But he's never those three states at once. You see? Right. He does he just sort of transforms from one into the other to the other. And that's the problem with the three states of H2O, is that they're never the all three at once. So that breaks down.
SPEAKER_03Um Okay, so the so the so these ideas they're not they're not sort of concrete, they're not they're not uh like perfect. So how can we or is there any analogy that that is good enough?
SPEAKER_01What I find interesting is that we we find the need to grab at analogies. Whereas I think the action the actual doctrine is not that difficult. The actual doctrine is not that difficult. Now the mystery of the Trinity, the the actual being of God, is a mystery that we will praise into all eternity, and and in one sense we won't wrap our heads around it. But but the actual doctrine um is pretty straightforward and can be articulated in about twenty seconds, right? Okay. Um so it I what I find it interesting is that we're always grabbing for analogies of something that actually a six-year-old can kind of figure out.
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SPEAKER_01That okay, when we s when we say God, we think that only Jesus reveals the Father, and he does that by the Spirit. So when we think God's, we look to the face of the Lord Jesus, and in the Son we see the Father filled with the Spirit. Um and that's who our God is. Our God is a loving unity of three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Um Yeah. Okay. You know, and and if you really wanted to go for an analogy, I guess there is kind of an analogy in Hebrews 1, which you've just mentioned, that that Jesus is the exact representation of God. What does it say? Um uh he is the the effulgence of the Father's glory in in the sort of older translations. He is the he is the uh the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being. So that's interesting, radiance. And actually, um and people like Athanasius, who who helped us with the Nicene Creed, he thought about that analogy quite a lot in that Christ is like the radiance of the sun, the S U N. He's and and you know, when I look at the light beam that's coming to me from the sun, the S U N, in one sense, am I looking at the light beam or am I looking at the sun? Or kind of both, you know. And the only way that I'm looking at the SUN Sun is by looking at the sunshine that is radiating out.
SPEAKER_03And by that we can see everything else.
SPEAKER_01By that yeah, and there's that there's that um implication as well. But so who is Jesus? He's like the light beam who cannot be divorced from the light source.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01He kind of is the light source. you know, in the in in extension. Um and so to see the beam is to see the light source. Um so that's that's I mean you you kinda get that analogy from Hebrews 1. Um but even that breaks down because you know the the radiance of the S U N Sun is not personal and the radiance doesn't have a personal relationship with the with the with the Sun um that is its source. So it that breaks down as well. But yeah I if you want to know an image of the Trinity look to Jesus Colossians 1 15. He is the image of the invisible God if you if you really want to and so just think of the baptism. There is Christ the Son of the Father full of the Spirit you've got it it's right there.
SPEAKER_03Okay so we're we're talking about Trinitarian evangelism uh what happens when we get the Trinity wrong in our evangelism so let me let me highlight four problems.
SPEAKER_01Okay one one problem is we get God wrong which is a problem right you know um and it's a problem we often don't notice we don't notice the lack of God in our gospel presentations which is pretty stunning isn't it we we we kinda we hop over the issue of God and we jump straight into there's a sin problem and his his judgment and his salvation um and we jump right over the issue who is God, which is just a stunning problem to have because I thought God was the gospel. I thought you know the being of God is actually um glorious news to declare to the world. So if we're gonna like absolutely sideline the thing that for twenty centuries Christians have been saying is fundamental to who God is, I think that's a problem. So you know let's let's try and get God right. Um let's try and speak about the Father who is revealed in his son by the Spirit. So yeah so one one one problem is if we're not Trinitarian we're just not getting God right. Secondly we're not getting the person of Jesus right. Because just imagine if you start your gospel presentation with in the beginning there's some kind of God. Now let's deal with creation and fall and and and away you go and you assume God well in the West we're gonna assume the omnibeing aren't we this individual high on power low on personality and there there he is in the beginning. And so you've begun your gospel presentation with God in this indiscriminate way and then later on in your presentation you're gonna introduce Jesus. Well who's this guy? And at this stage you've got a you've got a a a problem do you say Jesus is God in skin? Okay? Is he j he just is the God who was there in the beginning. Well at that pro uh at that point what is the heresy we're dealing with um modalism exactly modalism exactly that is so that's that's like you know water has become steam or whatever ice has become water right is he's just the God who was there in the beginning has just turned into Jesus which again is a problem it'll complicate your evangelism because who's this Jesus guy praying to and and if he's on the cross dying to pay off with God. And so that's wrong. But if you've begun with the Omnibean and then you introduce Jesus and you say oh he's not that guy he's somebody else you're like oh okay so he's not God then and then suddenly Jesus is not Lord which is a problem right so but the only way to get the person of Jesus right is to have a Trinitarian doctrine of God. The o it's it's really the only one only way to get Jesus right. And so you've got to have some kind of knowledge that Jesus is the Son of the Father full of the Spirit and that's that's what makes him God is that he's full of the Son, he's full of the Spirit and he's the Son of the Father. So we need to get the being of God right, we need to get the person of Jesus right. Thirdly we need to get the cross right you know on the cross if Jesus is not the God who was there in the beginning if he's some other guy then the cross starts to sound like cosmic child abuse. And it starts to sound like Jesus is this kind of third party who's thrust in between God and humanity and God suddenly zaps this other guy called Jesus in order to bless us sinners, right? And and the the cross breaks down unless God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself to Corinthians chapter five unless you've got that Trinitarian doctrine of the cross actually your your doctrine of atonement goes completely awry.
SPEAKER_03So Christ gave of himself right and it's like a lamb to the slaughter he was led you know he kind of was allowed allowed others to lead him to to death.
SPEAKER_01Yeah and he voluntarily did it as the very gift of the Father and the father himself is is is giving himself in Christ as as Christ goes to the cross there. And so it's yeah so it's not just that that Jesus is this third party, this demigod or this you know yeah just this punching bag that God beats up on. It's he is the Father's heart and soul his son is pride and joy who is giving of himself on the cross. So yeah unless we get the Trinity right we don't get the cross right and just fourthly I I think the goal of the gospel is that is that we be brought before the Father, united to the Son and filled with the Spirit and that's that's kind of what the Gospel is the gospel is not just get out of hell free right and it's it's it's not just an an abstract package of blessings that you get. It is to be united to the Son by the Spirit and brought before the Father calling on him as Abba. It's to be adopted into the life of God. Now if you've just got an omnibeing you can never do that. You know the the punchline to your gospel if you if you've just got an individual who is God the punchline to that gospel must only be submit, bow, right? Be subject which is what Islam is you know Islam is there is a God who is one person and the only thing you can do is bow before Allah and you'll you know and that's and that's the only relationship you can have to Allah but if you've got a Father who gives you his son by the Spirit then now by the Spirit you can be united to the Son and brought to the Father and so if you've got Trinity there you can have a a gospel that really sings a gospel that brings you home adopted into the life of God. So I think for all those reasons we we want to get God right we want to get Jesus right we want to get the cross right and we want to get the the the benefits of salvation right and all of that requires Trinitarian thinking.
SPEAKER_03Is this all needlessly con complicating?
SPEAKER_01I I hope not and and you know and if you if you want to take one thing if you want to take one thing from what I'm saying is you already know the Trinity. Listen if you're a Christian you already know the Trinity I'm not trying to complicate things I'm not trying to make things unnecessarily you know complex. If you pray to the Father in the name of Jesus you know the Trinity right if you know yourself to be an adopted child of God because of Jesus the Son of God you already know the Trinity right if you know that you've got the presence of Jesus in you because you've got the Spirit in you're already Trinitarian right if you know that the Spirit brings you the presence of the Father and the presence of the Son because he is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ if you know that you're already Trinitarian. I'm not talking to anybody about anything that is not just Christianity 101. But I am trying to shine a light on the importance of this doctrine because I I I think when we are clear about Father, Son and Spirits, then we've got a gospel that really sings. Then we've got a gospel that really communicates because it communicates not just that there's an omnibeing up there and you can get a package of blessings but that there is a father who is adopting you into his life by the Son, filling you with the Spirits and and and bringing you in on a family love that both predated and produced the universe so I think this is not complication this this is the richness of the gospel that we have to proclaim to the world and I think I think people can get it I think people do get it and and when they do they understand a gospel that is far richer than just forgiveness. Yeah you know the gospel's richer than forgiveness. J.I. Packer perhaps finish on this J I J Packer once said that um if you if you wanted to summarize the gospel in three words it's adoption through propitiation adoption through propitiation. So propitiation is is the cross you know the work of atonement on the cross but God Christ does not do that work on the cross just to leave you as forgiven in the abstract he does it in order to adopt you into the life of God. If you want that truth you've got to have Trinity.
SPEAKER_03Yeah okay well if uh you want a very easy video to explain this go to 3-2-1 dot org and spelling out the letters yeah yeah and uh there's a uh your your very helpful video animated video on uh the gospel presentation there um otherwise people can uh read the book of Hebrews why not yeah um just read the Bible yeah just read the Bible just read the Bible it's all there yeah well you've written uh uh an article on the gospel coalition website and we'll put a link to that article which kind of uh covers most of the main points of this uh this podcast uh there'll be a link at speaklife.org.uk slash tep one six three one six three goodness um or if you can't remember that just go to speaklife.org.uk slash tep and there'll be a a list of this episode and all the others if you like listening to the Evangelist podcast if you like this one and if you'd like to hear more do subscribe you can you can subscribe via email or in your podcast client your device your iPod or whatever just go to other brands are available yeah they're available uh if you'd like to re leave us a rating and review on iTunes or Stitcher you can do that too. We'd be grateful if you could do that. We had a a post on the good book company uh website there was a a review of a chap who did something from an idea spa spawned from this podcast.
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