Today on the Evangelist Podcast, we're looking at hot topics. How does a loving God judge?
SPEAKER_00The Evangelist Podcast from Revival. Find out what's new in telling people the good news about God, the world, and you. With Andy Brinkley and Glenn Scrivener.
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SPEAKER_02Just Okay, well, we're we're gonna go into a bit more sort of hot topic type questions, and this one particularly, how a loving God fits with judgment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So, yeah, I I think it's one of the one of the big questions that people ever ask. In fact, uh just recently at at Easter, uh John Dixon, a fantastic Australian evangelist, he did a a top ten tips for atheists when they're dealing with Christians. And the the first eight were very um very good things for for atheists to think about and and to and essentially saying, look, I I think you guys have been shooting at straw targets and and banging at open doors, um, which is how Terry Eagleton uh characterized uh Richard Dawkins, but uh John Dixon was sort of saying similar stuff about about sort of the uh atheism versus Christianity debate. But then he finished his top ten with a couple of things that he thought atheists uh should press Christians on and for which Christians kind of need better answers. One of them was about uh the Old Testament and uh the wars of conquest in the Old Testament, uh, which is a topic that we discussed last year. But the other one was uh hell. And and he he writes this, John Dixon, in I think this will sort of help us in in terms of framing the question at its sharpest. Uh he says, questions can also be raised about God's fairness with the world. I don't mean the problem of evil and suffering, philosophers seem to regard that argument as a draw. I am talking about how Christians can, on the one hand, affirm God's costly love in Jesus Christ, and yet on the other, maintain Christ's equally clear message that those who refuse the Creator will face eternal judgment. If God is so eager for our friendship that he would enter our world, share our humanity, and bear our punishment on the cross, how could he feel it is appropriate to send anyone to endless judgments? He goes on, this is a particular problem of the Christian gospel. If God were principally holy and righteous, and only occasionally magnanimous in special circumstances, we wouldn't be shocked by final judgment. But it is precisely because Jesus described God as a father rushing to embrace and kiss the returning prodigal. It's precisely because of that that Christians wonder how to hold this intention with warnings of hell and judgments. So that's the kind of the problem we're going to think about today.
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SPEAKER_03Well, I I think uh conservative Bible scholars, and uh I try to treat the Bible absolutely as the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation, and um they sort of hit on three words that seem very important to them in terms of upholding what the Bible teaches about hell. Eternal, conscious torment. Eternal, it goes on forever. Conscious, it's not just that people sort of are snuffed out in the end. And torment, not just sort of limbo, but actual, actual torment. So this is this is what we're dealing with. Eternal conscious torment for all who are outside of Christ. That's what needs to be fitted with a loving God. So as anyone can feel, even as I describe those terms, that is a problem. That's what we're dealing with here. And it's punishment for our sin? Well, different people sort of take different views on it. Some of that has to do with you know what you see Jesus having accomplished on the cross, has he died for the sins of the whole world? In which case, what if it's if it's punishment for X amount of sins that the sinner has committed in their life, well, if Jesus has already taken that punishment, then is hell really them facing that? I think to to get the broadest amount of consensus among evangelicals about what hell is, let's stick with eternal conscious torment, separation from the life of God in the in a place you don't want to be for all those who are who are outside of Christ.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And Jesus spoke a lot about hell, didn't he? I mean he he kind of demonstrated his love by dying on the cross for us.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02And yet he spoke a lot about um hell all the through through the scriptures.
SPEAKER_03More than anyone else. Yeah. No one speaks of hell more than Jesus does. And yet, like you say, he's the most loving man who ever lived. And I think that puts us onto something that as we as we talk about hell and love, we're not talking about things that are entirely uh incommensurate, uh that you cannot ever put judgment and love together. In Jesus, we see, like he puts judgment and love in himself. He is love covered over with with flesh, and yet he speaks of this reality, and he you know, he talks at times of, you know, there's a fire shut up in me, and I'm weary of holding it in, and and it it's this sense of judgment and love together. And if that sounds weird, I think we just need to think in our own lives. What what happens to us when we see the people who we love being harmed, the people that we love being in in some way diminished or thwarted or you know. If anger's not beginning to arise in us, you can start to question, well, d do you really love that person? You know, here here is someone who you love and they're getting abused. Do you feel anger at that? If you if you feel nothing at that point, then actually your love is being called into question. Or if you think of parents and and uh a child going off the rails and of course the parents love the child. But of course the parents are angry at what that child is doing to themselves and and will express their anger at the child at at points, and and can't that can be appropriate, and you can have love and anger going on together. So it's very, very important to say from the outset that sort of love and judgment are not opposites. And when we see Christ, we see how they come together in him.
SPEAKER_02So why did God create hell then?
SPEAKER_03Hmm. Well, I think one one thing I'd love to do with all these questions is sort of step back and kind of do do three to one with people and see how the question gets reframed by doing three-to-one. We did that a little bit last week with uh sex and sexuality. And we saw how Jesus introducing us to three and two and one actually answers the sex and sexuality question. Jesus and introducing us to three and two and one, I think that'll help us with hell. So so three, if you don't know three in the presentation, three two one, you can go to three two one.org and and and figure it out. But um, three is God is three persons united in love. And as we're thinking about three, what we're thinking about is before there was a universe, there's no such thing as anger. There's no such thing as wrath, there was no such thing as judgment. Um before there was a universe, there was only love. There was the Father loving his son in the joy of the Holy Spirit. And so hell is not original to God's life. I once saw a tract, an evangelistic tract, a little leaflet, that was about hell, and on the front page it had uh the title, God's Wrath is as eternal as his love. Now that's a grabbing kind of kind of header, and that makes that makes you want to open up. And I sort of opened up inside. And what it was trying to say, not merely that hell is an eternal reality in the future, but that right back from eternity past there is sort of hell and love in God that needs to kind of be expressed in some way in creation. And I I no, that can't be right. In the beginning there was love and only love. The Bible doesn't say God is hate, it does say God is love. And he's not equally hate and love at the same time in in any way, shape, or form. So he God is love, the Father loving his son in the power of the Spirit. God makes a world to share in that love. When that world turns away and goes into darkness and stands against his light, he is angry. Because anger can be a true and right and appropriate response to love being spurned. Even in our own human situations, when love is spurned, there are occasionally right expressions of anger that we feel at that. How much more so with God, who loves perfectly, who is perfect, and yet there is this anger that is expressed when we turn from the light into the darkness. He doesn't just sort of raise an eyebrow as as we run from him. He's angry at us for running from him, for running from his love. So hell God did on the light into the darkness. But suddenly there is this realm now called hell, because there is this realm outside of the light, outside of of of the love of God. That's not just that God just sort of leaves us to it, he is also angry about us in that, and that's not the opposite of love, it's it's uh the expression of love that he is also angry at it. But I guess hell hell was created the day humanity turned from God. And Jesus speaks in those terms. You you see in in Matthew 25, uh the parable of the sheep and the goats, um, and here is one of the clearest places where Jesus teaches about hell. Uh, and he says that the goats who are on Christ's left will go away to everlasting punishment that has been reserved for the devil and his angels. And I think that's really important to say about hell, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02So it was it was originally designed for the devil and his angels.
SPEAKER_03That's yeah, principally, yeah, it's for the devil and his angels, and for any who follow him, for any who follow the devil into that. But you know, it's so interesting in Matthew 25, there is this asymmetrical relationship. The sheep inherit the kingdom that's been prepared for them before the foundation of the world. So heaven is for people, hell is for the devil and his angels. How insane, how horrible that anyone has ever ended up following the devil into hell. It happens, it happens all the time. But heaven is for people, hell is for the devil and his angels, and we've got and we've got to see that kind of asymmetry to heaven and hell. Uh, so important.
SPEAKER_02So uh carry on going through uh 3, 2, 1 then, and and Jesus has gone to hell for us. Right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, that's massively at the heart of two. Yeah, so so two is the world is shaped by two representatives. There's Adam who takes the world down into death and curse, and that's the turn from God, that's the going into the darkness. But what's fascinating or what's wonderful and why we love our God so much is not so much that God prevents us from turning into the darkness, he pursues us when we go in there. And so, yeah, rather than prevent us, Christ pursues us into the darkness, and so Christ is the second Adam, the second man who plunges down into the pit. And what's brilliant about that is um so often we we think of hell in terms of there's a precipice and we are just on the edge of the cliff and we might tumble into hell, and that that's our sort of that's how we think of the problem. The problem is that we might fall into hell. According to the Bible, the fall has already happened. It happened right at the beginning. You know, it's it's not like, oh, am I going to fall into the pit or not? According to the Bible, we're in there. We're in the pit. We've already we've already been disconnected from from our life source. You know, and so Jesus in John chapter three, he says that those who are not connected to him stand condemned already. Condemned already. At the end of John chapter three, verse thirty-six, Jesus says that the wrath of God remains on us already. Already. Romans chapter one talks about the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against those who stand against God. And and so we're already in this pit. We're already in in one sense, we're already in hell. In one sense. That's not the that's not the eternal thing um that's going to happen. But what that eternal thing is, is a continuation of this disconnected life. If this disconnected life doesn't get reconnected to Jesus, it ends up as the eternal thing called hell. But right now, there is this disconnection from God, and we we even know to call it hellish. Sometimes people talk about hell on earth, or they talk about feel like I'm going through hell right now. People sometimes say I feel like I'm cursed. Just feel like I'm cursed. And actually outside of Christ, we are. We are we do live in this disconnected world that is condemned already. The wrath of God remains on it, the wrath of God has been revealed from heaven. Um really came home to me the other day when I was um I was in Asda and uh and I picked up a magazine. It was Closer Magazine, which is generally not not read by my demographic. Um, not generally 35-year-old men who read Closer magazine, but it was called the Hidden Torment edition of the magazine, and every single story on the front cover of this magazine is about some kind of torment. So it's got Posha's New Heartache, you know. Um I can't bear such a distance between us. Cheryl's lonely despair, I'm so tired of living like this. Danielle's marriage crisis, I've not been happy for a while, Mum's bitter regrets, you know, all every single story in this edition is about torment, and they even know to call it torment. And it's this fascinating mixture of on the cover of things, everything's glossy and shiny, and they've got their plastic surgery and their their new teeth, and they're you know, they're living the celebrity life. On the other hand, there's this disconnection.
SPEAKER_02So I mean I think I mean it'd be interesting to look at uh you know the sales figures to see if these sell more because people are connecting with it. Yeah. You know, they're sort of, oh, maybe I can find an answer to my problem.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. In a sense, all advertising is like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03All advertising is saying, here is hell and here is out your saviour, you know. So so clearacil, you know, acne is hell. Let me show you how hellish it is. Now bring on the saviour. Here is clearacil. Or or whatever. Like think of anything. Think of Daz, you know, here are the stains. Oh, it's hell. Here comes Daz, your saviour, and it's getting out of stain hell. Or are you tired and stressed out? Well, here comes a holiday and and book with you know Thomas Cook or whatever. Are they still in business? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I think so, but just to disclaimer that they haven't paid us to say any of these things.
SPEAKER_03And I don't really think Clearacyl is your saviour, but all the time we we feel like we're in the pit, actually, all the time. And we keep on trusting in stupid things to get us out. The truth of two is that the Son of God himself has entered into the pit and on the cross has taken onto himself the the you know, him who quenched the wrath of hostile heaven, which is how Charles Wesley, you know, spoke about it in And Can It Be, he quenched the wrath of hostile heaven. Here is a God who stands with us in the pits and takes it on himself so that no one need ever go there, ever.
SPEAKER_02So the answer is in the Bible, like you know, we're saying that maybe people look at the magazine for answers to their own situation. Here is the Bible full of sin, full of problems and errors. Yes. And within it, it gives us the answer that Jesus has come through these things with us and uh that he has gone through the ultimate judgment for us.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly. He's entered into the torment, and I think and I think therefore the Bible makes sense of this world. You know, so often we think of hell simply as in the future, down there. In the future, down there, there's this other thing called hell. And I think Jesus and and the rest of the Bible would encourage us to think, no, come on. You know what feeling cursed is. You you know what hidden torment is, you know what disconnected living is. And all of these things are screaming at you. You don't want to go where these things are taking you. You just don't you don't want to you don't want to go where this thing leads. So actually I think the Bible's speaking about hell actually makes sense of our world. It actually makes sense of our whole life. Like even something as stupid as advertising, or something as stupid as a magazine, or something as but it also just makes sense of we feel like we're in a pit, we feel like we're despairing, we feel like we're in torment, and the whole world doesn't know why. And the Bible comes along and says, Look, I'll tell you why. We've turned from God, we're in a pit. God's angry about it, but he also loves you, and those two things aren't opposites, and he's come down to meet you in it, and he's good news. So often we we we take on the question of hell as though I'm speaking to somebody else, and I've got to introduce them to hell, and then I've got to introduce them to heaven, and we don't really want to introduce them to hell because they seem to be having a nice time. Whereas what I'd encourage us to do is even if you've got a glossy magazine full of you know people who are very shiny and bright and they've got the plastic surgery and they look a million dollars, underneath, they understand what hidden torment is. They already know what hell is, and we've we've got the the one who actually enters into hell, makes sense of their world and can bring them out. So as we as we preach hell, in a sense we're not bringing hell to the world, and without us everyone would just be really happy. What we're doing to a world that is stuck in a pit, what we're doing is we're bringing an explanation. This is why, and he's your saviour.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And we've I've got that that visual picture in my mind you said that we've already fallen off the cliff. Yeah, we're already on the way down. Yeah. So how do we get saved if we're falling off the cliff and we're halfway down or whatever? How does Jesus come in?
SPEAKER_03Well, this is the good news. The great news is it's not about climbing back up again. The great news is actually when you talk about two, we're talking about being born in it. We're born into this situation. We haven't passed a test in order to get here. We haven't jumped through any hoops in order to get here. We've just found ourselves here because this is exactly where Jesus wants to meet us. And he actually turns our problem into our solution. So that here we are, we find ourselves as sinners, and Jesus says, Okay, that's your qualification. You need to be a sinner.
SPEAKER_02Just come to me as a sinner. You need to have already fallen off the cliff.
SPEAKER_03You need to have, yeah, exactly. Your qualification is that you need to have fallen. Okay? The big problem in the world is people who think they haven't. And that's why we talk about hell. The reason why we talk about hell is because there are people who are wandering around in a pit of despair and and they have the the 13th boob job like on the cover of this magazine, or they they get their teeth fixed and they think suddenly, oh, that's fixed it. They get the clear cell, that's fixed it, they go on the holiday, they think that's fixed it. No. The reason why we talk about hell is to talk about the problem that all of us know, but to talk about in such terms so that people realize it's not about me climbing out. But let me tell you about a saviour who's climbed in. And here is the Lord Jesus who has taken your hell. He has quenched the wrath of hostile heaven himself, and he's offered to you in the midst of your pit. You don't need to climb an inch. He's already with you. Have him. For goodness sakes, have him. Don't stop trusting, don't stop trying to climb up out of the pit through your own paltry little methods. Here is a Jesus who meets you in the pit, and then you talk about the cross. You know, here is a here is a God who in solidarity with us cries out, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? That's just insane to think. We we we have a God who has entered into God forsakenness for us and with us and wants to be in solidarity with us forevermore. That's that's the good news, and and that kind of I guess that kind of brings us brings you on to the one, really.
SPEAKER_02So using three two one as a framework, um, we've you know, we're talking about Jesus, we're talking about the three of the Trinity, we're talking about two as in Adam, the first man sinner, and Jesus, and now to one. So, how does one relate to uh love and judgment?
SPEAKER_03I think one's really vital as well in that um according to the Bible, being one with Jesus is eternal life. And not being one with Jesus is hell. It just is. So in in the verses that we've been thinking about in John 3, verse 18, whoever believes in the name of God's one and only Son is not condemned. That's that's John three eighteen. Is whoever believes in the name of God's one and only son is not condemned. Whoever does not believe stands condemned already. For they have not believed in the name of God's one and only son. So connection to Jesus is what eternal life is. It's again. It's not in the future up there. It's right according to John's Gospel, it's it's right here, right now, if you are in oneness with Jesus, then you are connected into the life of God, and that's that is what eternal life is. And it stretches on forever, and that's great. But it starts now. So heaven starts now, hell is also now in disconnection from Jesus. And I think when we think in those terms, it really helps as we're talking about judgment and hell. Because so often the the question that the non-Christian has is, Alright, so there's this hell thing. Why is Jesus over there the way to have eternal life over here? Like or, you know, if if we're in hell and we need to get to heaven, what's Jesus got to do with it? And why only Jesus? Why do you keep banging on about Jesus being the only way to heaven? Well at that point you just say, Well it's just the nature of it, you know. Because if heaven is connection with Jesus, then of course Jesus is the way to get connected to Jesus. Like of course. So we need we need to get better at sort of thinking in in union with Christ sorts of terms that what when what we're not doing is offering a sort of an abstract heaven far away to people who are threatened with an abstract hell far away. And at that point it seems a little bit odd to keep talking about the the importance of Jesus, if sort of heaven and hell are far away in the future. But what if what if hell is our disconnection from Jesus? And what if heaven is our connection with Jesus? Then it makes sense that here comes Jesus into our pit and he's got his arms outstretched to you. Do you want him? If you've got him, you've got you've got heaven even in the midst of your hell. You've got him. And then one day, when he returns again, he will raise the world up and cleanse it from this hell of a life and and and bring heaven to earth. Um But yeah, I think I I really think we need to be thinking in terms of of oneness with Jesus. That's that's what it all hinges on.
SPEAKER_02And I guess when Jesus was with his disciples, you know, they very much knew what it was like to be with Jesus. Yes. And then when he went and the Holy Spirit came, they were with Jesus, can you know, carried on being with Jesus by his spirit, but it was like an ongoing heaven.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. They walked under an open heaven. Um just as Jesus did at his baptism, the heavens were opened for him, and he walks through, and and then as we're filled with his spirit, you know, heaven is open for it for us, and we walk under an open heaven ourselves. Um even in the midst of this pit where we just offer offer Christ to people.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, we let's look at um the prodigal's son then in Luke fifteen.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because that's what um John Dixon in his article he said the big problem that Christians have is how on earth do you square hell with the God of Luke 15, this God who runs to the prodigal and wraps his arms around him. So so if you look at uh Luke fifteen from verse 20, the prodigal son, he got up and went to his father, but while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him. He ran to his son, threw his arms around him, and kissed him. The son said to him, Father, I've sinned against heaven and against you. I'm no longer worthy to be called your son. But the father said to his servants, Quick, bring the best robe and put it on him, put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet, bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again, he was lost and is found. So they began to celebrate. So if this is what God's like, then why hell, especially especially when you realise what a a terrible son this prodigal was. Like horrendous, horrendous son. How dare he do what he's done to his dad, and yet, you know, it seems like all is forgiven, come home. If that's what God's like, then why on earth is there a hell? John Dixon's got a a great question to ask, and any atheist who wants to ask Christians about the coherence of the gospel, it's a very good question to ask. But actually, Luke fifteen is the place I go to when I teach on hell. Right. Luke fifteen gives us, I think, one of the most profound pictures of hell we ever see. Because there's actually two sons in the parable. What about this other son? Verse twenty five. Meanwhile the elder son was in the field. When he came near the house he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. Your brother has come, he replied, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound. The elder brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him, but he answered his father, Look, all these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders, yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you've killed a fattened calf for him. My son, the father said, You are always with me, and everything I have is yours, but we had to celebrate and be glad because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again. He was lost and is found. And the story ends. And as the story ends, the bad boy is in the feast, which represents heaven. The good boy is outside. Is outside in outer darkness, with weeping and wailing and the angry gnashing of teeth. It's every way that Jesus ever describes hell. In fact, in in Luke 14, he's just expressly called hell the place where you're shut out of the feast with weeping and wailing and the angry gnashing of teeth. Here is here is this boy in the outer darkness. Now, question to ask is why is he in the outer darkness? Is he in the outer darkness because his father is so cruel? No, actually his father is so kind. He's too kind, according to this boy. He's too kind. And he refuses to come home to the mercy meal. Refuses to celebrate the kindness of his father, and so he remains outside. Is he outside? Is he in hell because he's so bad? No. No, he's so good. He's too good. He's too good to pull up a chair next to a sinner like his brother. And so he stays outside. And what this parable does is is is show us it's an insane reality. And you're thinking, how mad, how mad that anyone would stand against the forgiveness of this man who welcomes sinners and eats with them. Who would ever stand against this feast? Who would ever not want to just run into this feast? Well, this guy does. This guy does. And it's Hellfame. It's Hellfahim. And I th those are some of the terms in which I I try to sort of talk about there's a loving God. You know, this father, he he runs out to meet his younger son, he runs out to meet his older son, he doesn't play favourites, he loves them all, and he says, Look, the feast is yours, come on come on in if you want it. And yet there is the outer darkness, there is the weeping and the wailing and the angry gnashing of teeth, and it's a fearful reality. But a loving God does fit with judgment, actually. But but there's nothing there's nothing that she could do more You know, in in order in order to to bring us to heaven, you know. He's dived down to the very depths of our pit. It's not like he came halfway down and he wanted us to meet him here halfway. It's not like he even came down so that he hovered six inches off the ground so that we had to at least rise ourselves raise ourselves up six inches. No, he's come down to the very gutter, which means those who think they have risen above the hoi poloy, those who think that they have risen above hell somehow, what they've got to do is repent. Yeah. Repent of their goodness, join Jesus in the pit, and then they'll find a heaven of heavens. But while we try and raise ourselves up towards heaven, actually, we're we're slaves of hell. Yes. Jesus wants us to admit to the pit and and to just simply receive this feast that's for all.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so we've uh looking at that as part of how does a loving God judge. Um next time, Glenn, we're gonna be looking at another hot topic.
SPEAKER_03I think next week we'll we'll look at hypocrisy. How can anyone join the church with all its hate and hypocrisy? Well it gets raised it gets raised a lot, actually. In in like none of these issues are sort of the f the the first issues of the gospel. They're not central issues of the gospel. So we started with sexuality and then we went on to talk about hell and and next we're gonna talk about hypocrisy. It's not because any of those things are central to the gospel, but it is in terms of in 21st century Western culture today, this these are the questions that people are asking because this is this is where the Christian gospel has friction with how people see the world. Um actually, you know, preaching the gospel in China, for instance, these would not in any way be the three hot topics at all. It would be stuff like the exclusivity of Jesus and that kind of stuff at the top. But in our culture, sex, hell, hypocrisy, we'll think about science and some other things as well. These are the hot topics, and so yeah, it's it's worth thinking about how the gospel addresses them.
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