The Speak Life Podcast. Sharing Jesus in everyday life. Hello, welcome to the live cast. Good to see you all. I'm Paul Feasy. Hi, and I'm Pete Collison. Excellent. Good to have uh you back with us again, Pete. So uh if you've been watching the live cast for a while, you'll have seen Pete on it a few times now.
SPEAKER_03Because we did have a couple of times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you did your little intern section earlier on well I was gonna say earlier on in the year, but it was a different year now. Yeah when you first started back in 2019. So we've met you before and you've you know you stood in for Glenn as well. Yeah, a little uh Christ into Christmas thing.
SPEAKER_03That was it, yeah, yeah. That was December.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. A real high point for me in my life. Yeah, that was all good. So you're getting to be an old hand at this now. So um and uh so Glenn and a few of the interns, um, and Dan actually as well, they are all up in Edinburgh at the moment. Um they're at uh Edinburgh University, I think. Is that right? That's right, yeah. Edinburgh Uni and I I don't know which one. Is there more than one? I'm not sure. Like a kind of Nottingham, Nottingham Trent type thing. There might be, I'm not sure, but there might be a couple up there, but they're definitely at one of the universities in Edinburgh if there is only if there is more than one. And they've got the mission University Mission Week, so um, I'm assuming Glenn is speaking. I mean, basically I know nothing, that's my I'm just assuming all these things. Um Glenn Glenn will be speaking. Um, whether he's the speaker for the whole week, I'm not sure. Sometimes they have different people in the mornings and the evenings and stuff. Um, but it'd be good to be praying for him and for the interns and uh the kind of team up there, because I mean these mission weeks they're a great opportunity, and um you can have lots of good conversations. Um I mean we went on one not long ago, didn't we? Yeah, we were in Bath. Bath, that was it. Yeah, yeah. And that was a great week, wasn't it, as well. So it was.
SPEAKER_03It was. Yeah, I think I think Glenn's nursing uh uh a bit of a sore throat and stuff. So good to pray for him. But uh like you say, lots of opportunities, and uh yeah, I think just pray for the whole team generally would be good because they're they're good weeks, but they're grueling weeks as well, aren't they?
SPEAKER_02So yeah, they take it out of you, that's for sure. And um I think we were talking last week, Glenn and I, about you know, we're talking about his debate with Matt Dillahunty, and he was talking about who are you talking to when you you know when you're kind of debating someone. Um uh but he'd kind of said you know in a similar vein about when you go to a university mission week, you sometimes get people who stand up and ask questions and they might be quite combative and stuff. Um but often you you're not really talking to those people, you're talking to the people who are listening in. So, you know, let's pray that there'll be lots of people who are kind of turned up, and maybe they're not there with a kind of an axe to grind, but you know, they're there to hear stuff, and they may never put their hand up to ask a question, but they might speak to a Christian or have a chat with Glenn afterwards and or just even just go away, you know, feeling encouraged by what they've heard. Um and we might never know. So yeah, be good to uh worry about that. So good. Um so I'm I'm assuming that Glenn's all back next week and we'll be back to normal. So great. So we're talking a little bit about the Grammys. So um Grammys was last night, I think. Don't know if you saw any of it at all or I didn't catch it live, no. No, I didn't either I I read this morning and I'm not sure if this is true. Well, it it was on the BBC's um in the BBC article about it, but it said that they're selling like 2,074 awards at the Grammys. So there's they don't actually show them all like on the evening, and I think there's actually another event. Because it said like um on the article, it said something like Harry Potter won like best audiobook or something, you know, and I was thinking like how? Like it's been out for years, you know. Um so I think there were just thousands and thousands of kind of audio related awards, um, but the ones you see tend to be the the the more mainstream stuff.
SPEAKER_03So it's very difficult during all that time to sort of maintain a normal resting face, I'm actually just like can you imagine sitting through 2074 awards?
SPEAKER_02Good grief. That would be a nightmare, wouldn't it? It's at least a whole dialogue, I thought so um the kind of big um the kind of big kind of winner last night uh was Billie Eilish. I hope I'm saying that right. I'm aware, we're both very aware that you know, as men in our early 30s, still in my early 30s, uh we are entirely the wrong people to be thinking about the the things that are going on down with the kids on the music scene. Um but uh so Billy Eilish has kind of uh stormed away with a number of awards last night, and her and her brother, her brother is a kind of I think he plays a number of instruments with her, like he he performs live with her and he produced a lot of music. So I think she basically she started out in her bedroom or their you know their kind of bedroom and they record all their stuff there. So I don't think they've ever been a big kind of studio, you know, sound or anything like that, but um he seems to clear it. I I I saw a picture of them with about ten awards between them. I think she got five, and then maybe he got five as well. I'm not sure how but they had lots. Um and I think his were more for the production side. But she won what have we got here? She won the New Artist, so uh New Artist Record of the Year, Album of the Year Song of the Year, and then she also took home best pop vocal album, so that's five Grammys. Um apparently that that kind of makes history it says she's the youngest solo performer to ever win album of the year. Um the record holder had been Taylor Swift when she was age 20. Um, so Eilish has kind of beaten her by two years there. How much do you know about Billy Eilish?
SPEAKER_03Have you come across her much before? Uh I've seen picture, I've seen a picture of her green hair that she's sporting for for this year, and but I uh I no, I don't know a ton about her. I sort of immediately just hearing that I kind of admire the fact she was able to get up and give five speeches. Who do you thank after the first two? Just ditto the last time. Yeah, yeah. But uh no, I I d I know very little about her to be honest. I you know, a couple of songs and a few lyrics and things like that, but but not tons, like you say. I think we're they're probably better informed people in the world to talk about.
SPEAKER_02Oh, absolutely, and we're we're we're very aware that anything we say, um, like most weeks, might be total nonsense. Um but we're gonna have a crack at it anyway. So I mean I I'd I'd only come across her in the last kind of year or so, 18 months, and um I was quite surprised actually, the albums that she's won awards for this year was uh apparently her debut albums from 2019, and I'd kind of assumed she'd been around for a lot longer because I think she had appeared, but I think she was one of these people who kind of she got a breakthrough. They uh her and her brother uploaded a song onto SoundCloud and it got you know a thousand listens, and then that kind of spread. So I think she had some kind of social media kind of presence and there was a following building before she ever really had a an album out, so to speak. Um but I kind of she just kind of interested me in that she looked very different to what I was seeing on the music scenes. So if you've not seen her, she's kind of green-haired, and she's not you know, she doesn't look like a conventional pop star that you see today, so she wears a lot of baggy clothes, um, and you know, her music videos are quite dark, um, they're quite quite artistic, in you know, a lot of people would say, the thing she's doing. Um, I watched one this morning where you know she's she drinks a you know, it's entirely kind of white background, she's wearing all white, and she drinks a glass of you know, kind of uh like like what looks like ink, and then like the ink is coming out of her eyes and you know kind of crying stuff. And so it's all you know heavily stylized stuff, and you know, the kind of stuff she's singing about is not really the kind of poppy, fluffy Ariana Grande type stuff, or you know, so uh and and I was very aware that she she was being um she was getting some uh exposure, ironically, for not exposing herself. So she, you know, wearing all the kind of clothes she wears, it was very much a decision to, from her part, from what I understand, to um not be sexualised by the media and you know, for not for people not to be talking about kind of you know the way she looks and you know, you know, her body and her shape and stuff like that. So I was kind of aware, you know, I was kind of picking up that about her. I mean, and I the only song I really knew or even now I know well is the song Bad Guy, which has kind of been one of her big hits, I think, in the last year or so. Um and so it was just you know, the reason we kind of picked up on it, or we thought about picking up on it today is that it was just really interesting to see uh an artist like her picking up so many awards, you know, I mean, like history-making number of awards given who she is and where she's at, um, when she just seems so different to what's in the the mainstream of music at the moment. Um and the the thing she sings about, you know, she's she's singing about things like depression and addiction and kind of suicidal thoughts and stuff like that. It's it's very different to the other stuff. So it's you know, for me it got me thinking about kind of what you know, what is it that is why has that gripped people um so much? Um and and the inju and the the other kind of thing that happened then at the Grammys, um the other performance so that was kind of uh it's been spoken about quite a lot was the performance from Demi Lovato. Now Demi Lovato is in some ways couldn't be much further away from a Billy Eilish type figure. So Demi Lovato, I think her background is kind of a Disney Channel kind of thing. Yeah, that's right. I think she's come from that, hasn't she? And she's she's been you know, come out of that Disney Channel kind of acting thing, and she's she's been a singer, you know, and it's been from what I understand quite kind of poppy. So she sung on Frozen, didn't she? She did a she did a version of Let It Go, which was on the the film as well. I know this because I have children and I've heard it a hundred times. Um I have no excuse, I just I just know. You just know, just a massive Demi Lovato fan. Um so she's kind of your in some sense your kind of pop princess at the other end, um, but she's also had quite a lot of issues over the last few years. So quite publicly, Demi Lovato has been um, you know, I think back in 2018 she had a kind of near-fatal overdose. So she's had a lot of issues with drugs and stuff. There's been a lot of issues um to do with um uh like eating disorders and self-harm and stuff, and she was in rehab, um, she's had a bit of a breakdown and stuff like that. And um, so she's been uh you know kind of scrutinised over all those things anyway. Um, but she kind of made a bit of a comeback last night with this song that she sang, um, which was a song called Anyone, which apparently she wrote uh reportedly she wrote a few days before she overdosed, kind of back in 2018. Um, and we're gonna have a look at a clip. We'll have a look at a clip from of this performance, um, and we'll see what you make of it.
SPEAKER_01Nobody's listening to me. Nobody's listening to me.
SPEAKER_02It's an incredibly kind of well, she's obviously very emotional through this performance. You know, she's got tears streaming down her face, and I mean we don't see in the clip there, but she restarted the song because she kind of couldn't quite get through the first line. Um and you know, you the lyrics, I don't know if you if you hear some on the video there, but she says kind of um nobody's listening to me, nobody's listening. You know, I feel stupid when I pray, so why am I praying anyway if nobody's listening? Anyone, please send me anyone. Lord, is there anyone? I need someone, oh anyone, please send me anyone, Lord, is there anyone? I need someone. So, you know, you when you kind of get a sense of when you when you kind of know what she's coming from, the background she's had, you can kind of see like why she might be singing these things. And actually she got a standing ovation at the end, and um and like I say it's trending on Twitter along with the Billie Eilish stuff, and it really just got me me thinking, like, here are these two people who are, you know, quite different, but actually the things that Billie Eilish is singing about um are very different, you know, from what's in the mainstream, and she's singing about things with a bit more depth, probably than you know, a lot of music is just going out to the party and getting drunk and hooking up with people, and and there's a lot of that kind of stuff, you know, um particularly in the last few years.
SPEAKER_03Um I feel particularly bitter about all the rap songs where people are like, I've got abs. And I'm just kind of like good for you, good for you. Some of us have been trying for the best part of 15 years. It's like still no abs.
SPEAKER_02It's like I do have abs, they're just hidden, they're like succultaneous, they're hidden away at the moment under a nice little layer of fat. But um, yeah, and so you the and it is you know, you've had that style of there's been that kind of content in music lyrically, and like stylistically, the way things look, you know, the way women have been portrayed and and men have been portrayed, and it's all been a lot about that. It's very highly polished kind of stuff. And then you get these two people, one of whom is is not highly polished at all and is um kind of singing about you know things a bit more depth, a bit darker, grittier stuff. And Demi Lovato, who you know does come from that kind of quite polished Instagram kind of world, but yet it's been very obvious that that stuff isn't really real, and for her life has been quite tricky, that her fame hasn't given her an easy life and she struggled with drugs and all kinds of stuff, and you know, singing that song, a lot of people said, you know, that looks like a cry for help, you know. And whether that's exactly where she is now or whether that was where she was 2018, I don't know. Um but the question it got me thinking, you know, why is why is it that these things have uh caused such a stir? Like, why is Billie Eilish so popular and why why is this Demi Lovato performance caught people's attention? You know, why is this kind of appealing to so many people at the moment? Um I don't know whether you have kind of any thoughts on any of those things. Like, why is this come to the fore?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well it's uh it's interesting. We were talking earlier and we were kind of saying, actually, is this is this uh kind of content that is connecting with what's already there, or is this content that is um kind of creating a a culture that becomes self-fulfilling? It's an interesting idea, and I I don't want to pretend that I know the answer to that. I think that would be a really kind of foolish waste of people's time to be, you know, I don't know. We're just taking off some paints. But it is interesting, isn't it, just to think, well, actually, is this is this a song that people are hearing and they're going, actually that's that's me, that's that's where I'm at right now, that's kind of the cry of my heart, and and and therefore is there that kind of connection with it where you know where people are going, yeah, she really gets she really gets it. Um, or is it actually just something that you know, because you talked about kind of the the abstract and artistic nature of the lyrics and and the videos and stuff like that, whether people are looking as more of a kind of people that's interesting and yet it's edgy, and yeah, I kind of admire it from a distance, or um I I mean you know, I I feel like uh on a personal level I I meet with and chat to a lot of people who would probably say the former rather than the latter, and so you know, from my perspective, I would look and say actually I think this is um this is a cry that a lot of people would relate to firsthand, and and and therefore I think that's that's kind of where the connection comes from. But um you know, you you don't want to generalize and say that's people's experience across the board.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, and I and and I think it it's definitely the case that there will be people for whom like it's kind of cool to be a bit edgy and to like that kind of thing, even though they don't really you know, it doesn't it it's just the thing to like, you know, and they'll be doing it for those reasons and kind of engaging with it for those reasons.
SPEAKER_03But well you were talking about um Regina what's her face?
SPEAKER_02Regina George from Mean Girls. There you go. I'm really dating myself now. They're kind of Regina George from Mean Girls, you know. I could there's there could be that aspect, Regina George going like, oh yeah, I love Billie Eilish, you know, like she's so fetch, you know, like but it in no way would that kind of her music really connect with the Regina George, apart from like, oh Billie Eilish is a bit cool. Um if you've got no idea what we're talking about, don't worry about that. Go and watch Mean Girls, it's a great film, you should check it out. Um that's the takeaway from today, isn't it? Go and watch Mean Girls. Thanks for watching the live cast. Um yeah, and uh I think though, like you say, there may is it the case that maybe some of this stuff where you you see I mean, for want of a better word, some people have used the word authentic. Um, you know, that is it the reason people have heard both these, you know, this song from Demi Lovato, or they've heard Billy Irish's kind of stuff, and connected with it is because for them they go, actually, yeah, life is a bit like this sometimes. Life isn't quite like the the Instagram-y world we've been brought up in, and particularly you know, this younger generation, you know, they they've grown up in a social media world, uh in a s in probably in a generation where we're only beginning now to really start to question social media a bit more and go, is this good? And like, is it you know, what are the positives and the negatives? And we know there's a lot of falseness behind it, you know. And I was saying, you know, I was saying to you, wasn't I, that you know, a few people have compared Billie Eilish. I heard them saying that she was a bit like almost like Nirvana, um not stylistically, you know, not in terms of what she's like her her musical style, but in terms of the way she's kind of smashed into the kind of the the accepted culture music-wise, and uh just had a very different sound. Um I mean I hope that I'm I'm not just becoming a grumpy old man type thing, but to my mind at least, the last sort of ten years of music has been it it hasn't seemed to me like you've had those kind of rebellious figures of music, you know, who are who have had that edginess. It's all been quite pedestrian and straight down the line, but you think back to when a band like Nirvana burst onto the scene and it had come out of the 80s where everything was very poppy and processed, and um even in the kind of the rock side of music, it had become you know, there was the hair metal type stuff and the the spandex, and it was all a a kind of rebellion against that. And so it felt rebellious, and it and obviously the stuff Nirvana was singing about was you know very angsty and stuff, and that obviously connected with people. And I, you know, I remember like the prodigy coming out and people being really like that, you know, it was almost like a national panic. Like he's singing about stuff being a fire starter, and you know, look at the way he looks and stuff, Keith Flint, you know, and um and so people were talking, you know, I it's interesting that you know, here's this figure who's suddenly appeared, maybe in this kind of slightly Instagram-y world, who is kind of the looks like a rebel figure, but maybe maybe teenage maybe there are some people at least who when they hear us singing about these kind of things, or they hear even Demi Lovato sing about these kind of things, say, that's that this is more real to me than the fake Instagram-y type stuff that we're dealing with. Um often there. And I mean we we I did a bit of looking into kind of you know, it seems to me at least that there's a lot of talk these days about the mental health issues amongst young people. Um I don't know how much of it's scaremongering or whatever, but you know, just some stats I pulled up earlier is that kind of says something like 20% of adolescents may experience mental health problems in any given year. 50% of mental health problems are established by age 14, 75% by age 24. 10% of children and young people age 5 to 16 years have a clinically diagnosable mental problem. Um yet 70% of children and adolescents who experience mental health problems have not had appropriate interventions at sufficiently early age. So, I mean it's just struck me that you know, maybe you know, there there is a maybe there was a something out there that when someone finally started singing about stuff, people who were maybe not in the best place went actually, yeah, I kind of connect with this.
SPEAKER_03Um Yeah, and I I think this is one of the things that I find quite encouraging about this story is that like you say, for the longest time, pop was was so kind of mundane and pedestrian and and just the same. You know, you'd heard you'd heard one pop song, you'd heard them all kind of thing. Yeah. You know, not like the classics of our day, like S Club 7 stand-ups, you know. Yeah, all that you know so we're coming from a really meaty age there, man. Oh yeah, all the all the classic stuff, yeah. Yeah, but um, but you know, yeah, particularly the last 10 years, I you know, I think you'd you're dead right, it's all about cars and money and naked girls and whatever else, and and there's no real substance to it. But you know, obviously this is uh you know very much a kind of a darker, um darker genre of music, but but actually with that, the the positive thing about it from a from a Christian perspective is there's there's a bit more to talk about. There's a bit more there's a bit more meat in this, you know, and and you're kind of reading through some of the the lyrics of the the Demi Lovato song and you know referencing kind of prayer and is anybody even listening and that kind of stuff, it's like well at least someone in the public eye is asking a really big sensible question that's got some substance to it. So I guess that's the encouraging side.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think so. And uh yeah, and maybe and it seems odd, doesn't it, in some ways to be saying, isn't it encouraging that people are yeah? But I think it it it once you pull away the veneer of kind of this you know outward pretense that everything's rosy and amazing, um I think that's when really good conversations start to happen. Often I would say the best conversations I I've had in life is either when I have or other people have opened up with people. And basically you've been like, you know what, actually stuff isn't always great and I don't always feel okay. Um and I mean uh I can't remember where I pulled this from, but someone was saying about Billie Eilish, you know, she's like uh maybe she really is the voice of her generation and polished and the polished fake world that social media has pressured us into over the past decade is becoming history. I suddenly understand why this eccentric girl is such a relief. And um I You know, maybe that's you know, maybe that's the case. Um maybe that is part of the reason that people have cottoned onto it so much or kind of understand what Demi Lovato sing about. I mean, I think the the why this is a good thing for us, and and this is what we're gonna get to really, is like, why is this a good thing? Why is it encouraging for us as Christians? Is that like you say, people are asking a question like, you know, or what you're saying, when I pray, is anyone listening? You know, Lord, is there someone there? Please send me anyone. And actually, we've got a message that says, Well, you know what, there is someone. Because if you're if you're listening to Billie Eilish and you're going, I'm connecting with this because stuff is rough, or you're listening to Demi Lovato and saying, Yeah, I'm connecting with this because I'm in these places. What I don't think either Demi Lovato or Billie Eilish do, and I'm not hugely familiar with Billie Eilish's stuff, I mean, or Demi Lovato's stuff if we want it, um, uh, I don't think they really offer any answers to it. They just say, Well, it isn't this the way it is. And there's a and that's a good start for us to be like, hey, we're all we're all in this together and we're we're kind of broken. But what we have an opportunity as a church to do is say, like, yeah, you know what, there is someone, you know, you're saying, is anyone listening? Yes, someone is listening, and uh someone has been sent for you, you know, that you know, Jesus has come. Um and you know, I wonder whether the church just has an opportunity in in the midst of of maybe this kind of generation. You know, if it really is the case, and we've not completely just made this up, you know, if it is the case that people are feeling like that um and do realise there's a brokenness, um, or at least, you know, that they're they're faking their way through life, um, there's a real I think there's a real benefit in the church being able to say, look, you know what, yeah, we are broken, um, but there is someone who's come for people who are broken. Um, you know, and it strikes me that, you know, I lose tra I I don't know how in the last however many years because I lose track of how quickly time goes, but there's definitely been a a sense there was at least in the kind of youth work world at one point this quite lovey-dovey approach to stuff where it was kind of let's tell everybody how amazing and beautiful they are. Um you know, and I get that, you know, there's that kind of you know, we're fearfully and wonderfully made, and you know, made in the image of God, and there is a wonderful truth in there. Um, but it that can go to such an extreme, and I think in some cases it did. I remember the Babylon Bee running an article that said something, you know, her headline was something like, you know, woman woman doesn't know why she needs Jesus because the pastor has been telling her why she's so great for the last five minutes or whatever, you know, it's all along those lines. Um but I think you know there's there is a place for just acknowledging um the brokenness and saying, look, there is someone who can walk with you in it, and actually there is a there is a light, you know. Um that doesn't mean you know it's like hey kids, become a Christian and if you're feeling low, that's all gonna change, you know, because we know that's just not how it works. But um if you're a Demi Lovata or a Billie Eilish and you're or you're feeling the way they feel or have felt at different times, um there there is without something else, there is no real hope there. You know, there's no hope that it will ever necessarily go.
SPEAKER_03Well, it kind of reflects in the lyrics, doesn't it? They're only questions, there are only questions and and complaints of the way reality is, and complaints probably isn't the right word, is it? But um, you know, it the these lyrics as you read through them, it's it's a real, like we touched on before, kind of cry for help. And that's not a criticism, that's just an observation that that actually, yeah, there's a there's a real cry for help here. And so um, as you go through the lyrics, like you're saying, there are no real there are no real solutions or answers to any of this stuff. It's just here's a problem, here's the way I feel, this sucks. And and yeah, it doesn't really get to a solution, which is the sad thing about it. But I I do think there's an important moment for the for the church to say, look, actually, let's try and let's try and respond to some of this stuff because I I think the temptation in the past on numerous issues has been, well, that seems like a dark thing, that seems like an unhelpful thing, let's not engage with it. And and I think this this represents clearly from the awards that uh that Bully's won, it it clearly represents something that a lot of people are are connecting with and and uh and kind of understand as part of their own story as well. So I think you know, one of the things I say quite a lot is I think Christianity should be presented less as an accessory to your life and more as a necessity to your soul. And so it's this idea of saying, well, you know, I think a lot of times the gospel gets presented as, you know, if you start following Jesus, then it you know you're gonna be less anxious, you're gonna be less fearful, you're gonna be less worried about things, you know, you know, and and we don't want to ever present the gospel as a silver bullet to people's problems, that's not what I'm saying. But you know, it gets presented as a kind of a feel-good accessory a lot of the time. Um, and and actually when you read through these lyrics, what you're seeing is people are in the midst of a battle that they feel like they can't win. Yeah, and so actually, we need to kind of pull a little bit away from this kind of fluffy presentation of you know, faith is an accessory to your life that'll help lift your mood and move more towards actually if you feel terrible, that's understandable, but you need to know there's a battle going on that you're a part of that's why you feel terrible because being in a war sucks, but someone's won it. Yeah, and so you know it's it's kind of this yeah, I I don't know. I think when you when you hear the gospel getting presented in quite a kind of woolly, feel-good accessory to your life kind of way, and then you see people like this who are really suffering out loud in public, yeah, you go, Crikey. I think we need to actually just kind of move away from the fluffy stuff, get right stuck into the fact life's a war zone, and and we're not gonna win it on our own, so we need a representative who can. So um, so I think it's you know, we need to look at it and say, uh, how can we speak into this? And I think the answer is just to go straight for the centre of the gospel. Jesus has won the victory that you couldn't win for yourself, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that and that language of kind of a battle, and this it there is a spiritual battle going on, you know, in a sense, everything is a spiritual battle, but you know, there you know, there is there is a spiritual battle for people's souls, isn't there? And um, you know, we you know it's true, isn't it? It's in Colossians um I forget I forget whether it's chapter one or two, but um, you know, and it talks about you know Jesus having disarmed the powers um and made public spectacle of them through the cross. So actually, you know, I think you know that is true. It's to say, look, there is victory, we can have victory over these things, and that doesn't necessarily say it doesn't mean everything's gonna be rosy and good, but we can know there is a hope and a great hope for the future, um kind of in the in the midst of it. Um so yeah, I mean uh that was kind of my my thoughts off the back of you know this thing. Like, why is it that these things have taken a hold? But actually there is something as Christians we can respond to, um which I think is is a positive for us. So anyway, those are kind of the the thoughts you know we've had on that sort of issue, and um you know maybe you've got thoughts, do let us know um about those things down in the comments. Love to hear what you think. Um just a reminder, do be praying for Glenn and for the rest of the team who are up in Edinburgh at the moment on the the uh mission week at the uni there. Um, you know, they're in their kind of spiritual battle, so be praying that they would um you know the gospel would speak to people and there'll be good conversations. Pray for the Christian Union because there'll be follow-up time as well. Um obviously after the week is finished, they'll be trying to follow up with all the people they've made contact with, um, and that'll be an ongoing thing. So do keep praying for them. And um, I think we'll probably pretty much just about leave it there, Pete. I think so. Great. Well, thanks for joining us again, Pete. It's been good to have you. Yeah, no problems. Lovely, and uh hope everyone takes care, and we'll see you again next time. Thanks very much. Bye.