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Send It Mate
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This week we've got some chat on movies, semen displacement devices and detail on the latest failed hunt.
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It's going to be like, bend over and pull up your socks, strap in for another Send It Mate podcast.
SPEAKER_00Well, you kind of were. You just said it anyway.
SPEAKER_02I did.
SPEAKER_00Well, just roll with it, mate. Back yourself. Back yourself. Back yourself. Back yourself. Come on, mate. You're a podcast professional and after nine seasons and a hundred and something episodes, you should be all over this. Like a rash.
SPEAKER_02Oh, bro. I could do it in my sleep, mate.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yes. I dream about this. We're back. We're back. Welcome again. Centre Mate Podcast. I'm Caleb. I'm Josh.
SPEAKER_02And I'm couching.
SPEAKER_00She's saying, I am unprepared.
SPEAKER_02And I'm typing loudly on the keyboard. I
SPEAKER_04didn't touch the keyboard. I pulled the beer out of the six-pack and I cracked it.
SPEAKER_02Oh. Hello. Oh. Love the beer. Talking about beer, Caleb wasn't going to have one today because he's on a health kick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm succumbing to Josh's fad shaming daily and I've actually been on a health kick. Just some small subtle changes, then I'm ramping up slowly, Josh. So stop railroading me.
SPEAKER_02Bro, after this, we're going for pizza. We
SPEAKER_04do. So I feel like this stems right into where I want to bring up.
SPEAKER_00Really?
SPEAKER_04Yes, really. So I am going to do the push-up challenge for July.
SPEAKER_00The 3,000-odd push-up thing?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, 3,124, I believe it is. So I have nominated you to be a part of it. It's only a max of 200 a day. You don't have to do 201 here. You just have to do 200 for that 24 hours.
SPEAKER_02Bro, I think I could do that in, what, three days. Yeah, you could. That's comfortable.
SPEAKER_04Let's see you do it then. So I have actually started up a team in this as well. Oh,
SPEAKER_00don't make me commit to something else. Come on. Time's got to break one. Time is a premium, mate.
SPEAKER_01Fuck up.
SPEAKER_02I wanted to open it up to you guys to be a part of it, but I also wanted to open it up to the listeners as well.
SPEAKER_04So if you do want to join the team, chuck us an email or an Instagram message. Send me your email. That way I can add you.
SPEAKER_02Pass.
SPEAKER_04Well, see, you're the guy that I would have thought you'd be all over. So it is all to raise awareness for mental health. And we crap on about it. But this is the time to action.
SPEAKER_02All right, you ready? Now we're shaming. You're all mental. There you go. Aware.
SPEAKER_00You're all mental. Be
SPEAKER_02healthy. Sometimes you need a little shame
SPEAKER_04and need a little push. But I thought, fuck it, I need to do something as well for myself. It's a good cause. I'll give you that.
SPEAKER_02I wish you were in the state because I'd film you both. doing it, and I'd be like, oh, this is gold. Yeah, don't be judging form. You
SPEAKER_04can't do it yourself. Is that because your arms are only good for lifting metal and not yourself?
SPEAKER_02No, they lift – don't you worry, man.
SPEAKER_04No, so you're gym fit, bro. You're not life fit.
SPEAKER_03He's
SPEAKER_02not farm fit. I was pretty good at the old calisthenics, mate, so – It's all right.
SPEAKER_04I don't believe you.
SPEAKER_00It looks good in a leotard as well.
SPEAKER_02I do. I do. Thumb back. The fro hangs out the sides. It's all right. The older Eric
SPEAKER_00Pridds version. How good was that video clip back in the day? And for anyone who's seen the new movie Warfare, the Eric Pridds video would make a lot of sense. I'll recommend it. It's a good movie. Warfare? For anyone non-PTSD affected probably, it's a good war movie. Warfare. It was a solid movie. I enjoyed it. We'll check it out. If it's a little too close to home and you're seriously triggered, then maybe not because I think it's fairly realistic. There's a fair bit going on that's like in your face, like injuries in the course of war and what goes on. But, yeah, it's a pretty freaking good movie.
SPEAKER_02I'll check it out in the spare hour I have to watch a movie.
SPEAKER_00It actually reminded me a lot of you in the start when all the guys – I can't really spoil it. But anyway, the Eric Prid's video features at the very start for a specific reason and it reminded me of your Carly Rae Jepsen Call Me Maybe – Which is what you've said to us was sort of like the on tour. That was
SPEAKER_02a thing,
SPEAKER_00man. Song, yeah. And everyone, like grown-ass tough men were all like singing this girly-ass song.
SPEAKER_02Look, that and Katy Perry, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It was – it's weird. So as soon as that sort of came on, and this is the song, to give it away a little bit, is the song they all basically bonded around and they're all singing it to like the nth degree and then they're actually – in Iraq and they're all like acting out stuff from the movie, like whilst in the middle of war.
SPEAKER_02So that song probably became what it was in the defence, probably from that deployment from that movie, man, to be honest. If it's Iraq, that's about probably the time that Carly Rae came out with it. And I do remember seeing like the marine satire sort of like – Take on that video clip.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, and I got it. Like, when I was watching the movie, I kind of got what was going on, like the mateship, the camaraderie, the bonding around something seemingly silly. Yeah. But just a reminder of home.
SPEAKER_04It's always something that's absurdly over the top that seems so normal to the group.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Outside of war and whatever, the things you find with inmates that become a silly little in-joke or a song you'll sing or whatever, I think anyone who's got a group of mates can resonate with that. It's worth a watch. Good movie. If you can handle some goriness.
SPEAKER_02All I can think about is Carly Rae Jefferson right now.
SPEAKER_00Carly Rae Jefferson, well. Carly Rae. I'm pretty sure it's Jefferson. It's Jepson.
SPEAKER_02Jepson, hey.
SPEAKER_00I don't know, maybe there was someone specifically called Jefferson that you were
SPEAKER_02thinking of? No.
UNKNOWNNo?
SPEAKER_02No. Where did you watch it?
SPEAKER_00The cinema.
SPEAKER_04Okay, all
SPEAKER_00right. Like it's a new movie that's out or newish
SPEAKER_04movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good and like, True story, obviously. And they've got the guys who were actually there in as consultants on the thing. So they wanted it to be as – Yeah,
SPEAKER_04so the same as Hurt Locker as well, like stuff like that. They had a few people actually from the event that acted in there and mentored the team to have it as most realistic as possible.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that and Lone Survivor, they got a whole damn
SPEAKER_04–
SPEAKER_02what's his name, Marcus Luttrell, to help direct. Yeah, in that sort of vein.
SPEAKER_04Actually, yeah, I like the films where they're actually diving and trying to be realistic. There's nothing worse than a film that it's, well, I'm not sure how obvious it is if you don't use guns, but you look at it and you're like, it just doesn't look right, it just doesn't feel right, so you don't really get the connection.
SPEAKER_02To be honest, that's... puts me off a lot of movies man when it's like inaccurate from a point of view of like reloading and aiming and just just your like very fundamentals um like basic fundamentals. Like that puts me off of a movie instantly because I find I get hung up on the small detail and then can't enjoy the next bit. Yeah. And then I'll lose what's happening and it's like, well, you know. There's no point. And that's 90% of videos these days.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, because you straightaway think like you couldn't have been bothered to get someone in who actually knew what this should look like.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So how can I trust you with the rest of the information you're presenting me?
SPEAKER_02I'll give you an example. It's like Predator. I love all the Predator movies, man. I think they're just, I don't know, they're captivating. But re-watching the first one and you're seeing old Arnie – like just fire that gun from the hip and you're just like,
SPEAKER_00nah. Nah. Nah. I think I sent you two another example recently. I was watching – I didn't end up watching the end of it. It's a newish movie. It's called Elevation. And this chick's like hunting a deer. And you can tell she's simulating recoil rather than feeling actual recoil because she like jumped before the rifle. It just looks ridiculous. Yeah. It's a hard watch, but whatever.
SPEAKER_02See, that's just as bad as that Hunt for the Wildebeest or something. Oh, I can't remember. It's a New Zealand video. It's got that short, fat New Zealand kid that was on a lot of the X-Men or one of those. Oh, yeah, the little married kid. And Sam, what's his name? Sam is in Jurassic Park. He's an Australian actor.
SPEAKER_00Jurassic Park?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Sam. You think it's Sam Worthington? Sam Neill. Sam Worthington. One of them, but he's in that. Oh, Sam Neill was Jurassic Park. Yeah, Sam Neill. So he's in the New Zealand movie as well. And at one stage they get a boar attack him and, like, the kid's sitting there with his little 22 and it's just – Like shooting this ball running at him. I'm like, it's probably not going to do much at the best of times. And I think the kid saves Sam Neill. I can't remember quite what happens. But then Sam Neill's got his – it was a bold action of some sort. I can't remember. Hmm. and he's shooting as well. I'm like, this is just so unrealistic. And it was that pause as well. It was like they CCI'd like a bit of a muzzle flash, but it wasn't in sync with them, you know, I guess preempting recall or something. Yeah, so hard to get right and just doesn't look even close.
SPEAKER_00I love that you're so firearms focused. You called it CCI instead of CGI.
SPEAKER_02Sorry. He's got a name and ammo brand.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of new movies, though, have you guys seen the Tom Hardy movie, Havoc? No. Like for realism, it's
SPEAKER_02shit.
SPEAKER_04So I'm kind of disappointed that this is the style of movie that Tom Hardy, he produced. But it's one of those movies where do you not count how many rounds they shoot? because they've got never-ending magazines. It's like Need for Speed and their gears. They just keep going. But it's one of those movies where it starts off – it's definitely a Josh movie where that first five minutes captivates you. But the whole movie is just that first five minutes captivating kind of thing. It just keeps trying. It's just flat out.
SPEAKER_00Oh, this is on Netflix, yeah?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I haven't seen that yet.
SPEAKER_04It's like, I guess it's not a bad movie, but it's not great. I guess it's got a 5.7 out of 10. What's it about? It's just.
SPEAKER_00I can tell you what it's about. It's like, after a drug deal gone wrong, a bruised detective must fight his way through the criminal underworld to rescue a politician's estranged son, unraveling a deep web of corruption and conspiracy that ensnares his entire city.
SPEAKER_04It's like, it's, I don't know. Have a look. See what you reckon. But I, yeah, I rate it. It's 60%. Tom
SPEAKER_00Hardy, some Jesse May Lee I've never heard of, Timothy Olyphant and Forrest Whitaker.
SPEAKER_02See, I like captivating. It's got to grip you. It's either got to pull you in or it's got to get you thinking within the first minute and a half.
SPEAKER_04I understand it's got to be captivating. It's like the first five minutes is that grabs you kind of thing. But then it doesn't stop trying to grab you. It keeps – the tempo is just – Exhausting.
SPEAKER_00We definitely covered this in our instant gratification podcast we did.
SPEAKER_02We did? Yeah. With movies, you should expect that. The other thing
SPEAKER_00I hate with movies these days is the trailer is the entire movie. I don't watch trailers for that reason. Fucking stop. Just give me a little – just give me a teaser. Just give me a little bit. Don't, like, summarize the entire movie in two minutes. I
SPEAKER_04actually don't like it when Mrs. – watches a trailer before watching it. I'm like, no, we've already decided we're going to watch it. Stop watching the trailer. It just shows bits that you know a character is going to stay alive. Yeah,
SPEAKER_00like just don't. Just tease me. Just give me a little, okay.
SPEAKER_02See, is that just how poor movies are these days? Because I've noticed that movies are just terrible. People need all the
SPEAKER_04information before fucking doing it. That's what they need.
SPEAKER_02It's because no one has two hours to watch a movie anymore. Well.
SPEAKER_00I had a spare couple of hours yesterday and I watched all six episodes of Bad Thoughts on Netflix, which is Tom Segura's. Tom Segura, the comedian, is his new series. It's literally like he's gone those intrusive thoughts you have. He's just made a series of like short films basically. It's a dark comedy. It's fucked up. But my God, I fucking was in tears.
SPEAKER_02So imagine if that was you, Caleb, it would just be like, oh, how I do her and her and her.
SPEAKER_00Not really. Like there's a few that are like tied together, but it's funny as fuck, man. Like it's just fucked up. It's like an insight into how his brain works. And there's been, it's very polarizing. People either think it's the most funny thing. Yeah. People think it's the funniest thing ever, or it's just terrible. And it's generally like the left-leaning, anti-Joe Rogan type people that are like, these are terrible. But if you understand Joe Segura's – not Joe Segura. Fuck, I'm combining people now. Tom Segura's comedy and his personality, you understand it. It's even funnier. Like the sixth episode – they're only like 20-minute episodes. The sixth episode is hilarious. I was crying. So give it a go. See what you reckon.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00I – I think I just like fucked up shit. Like it's a dark comedy. It's fucked up but it's funny. Give it a go.
SPEAKER_02I'm going to watch it because, to be honest, there's not many videos that you recommend in that sort of like stead of putting you in hysterics.
UNKNOWNYeah.
SPEAKER_00It's so irreverent. It's had
SPEAKER_04mixed reviews though, hasn't
SPEAKER_00it? It's very mixed. That's what I mean. It's polarising. People are like, this is awesome. I'm so glad he's made it. And other people are just like, this is just terrible. It's very like.
SPEAKER_04It's lovely.
SPEAKER_00It's a lot of like basically gore, dicks and shit basically, but it's all funny.
SPEAKER_02Just on a side note, I think I just got a photo from Hayden taking a shit in cams.
UNKNOWNWhat?
SPEAKER_02Like, that's leaving a lot to...
SPEAKER_00That's weird.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And how is he in Hunter's Element? Has he invested in some... Shit gear? Shut up. Yeah, I'm looking at this photo now. We're just looking at Hayden's leg and foot. And why is he spreading his toes? In a bathroom. Why is he spreading his toes like that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What are you scrolling Instagram for?
SPEAKER_00I don't know why Josh is looking at his phone. I just got
SPEAKER_02a message and I thought it might have been important.
SPEAKER_00I'm asking this on the podcast so that he answers us via Instagram, but why are your toes spread provocatively like that? Has he been selling his feed on FeedFinder?
SPEAKER_02Or he could be on the money stroke. Now,
SPEAKER_04wouldn't they be like curled, not out? Do you curl?
SPEAKER_00They're splayed. They're splayed. It's weird. They're like in a receiving position rather than a – I don't know. This is weird. Feet are not my thing. I'll tell you that much.
SPEAKER_02Sorry.
SPEAKER_00I thought I'd share because it was controversial.
SPEAKER_04What feet position are you, Josh?
SPEAKER_00Me? Yeah, what
SPEAKER_04foot position are you on the money stroke?
SPEAKER_00The
SPEAKER_04money stroke.
SPEAKER_00Can you put your phone on silent for a second? Come
SPEAKER_02on, bro.
UNKNOWNOkay.
SPEAKER_02Look, no, I'm neutral.
SPEAKER_00He's not a toe
SPEAKER_02curler. Yeah. He doesn't curl anyone's
SPEAKER_04toes. Thanks for making that segment interesting,
SPEAKER_02Josh. Nah, just sort of squirts here and you're good. Appreciate
SPEAKER_04your effort. Yep. I'm settled here. Moving on.
SPEAKER_02Probably should move on. What toe position are you? I'm
SPEAKER_04a splayed, man.
SPEAKER_02Splayed. Mate, I've seen your weird... Gigantic hobbit feet.
SPEAKER_00Gorilla toes. Yeah. He could swing from trees with his toes. Dead set, bro. Like just latch onto the branch and swing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It's weird. Meanwhile, your feet aren't clawing onto anything, mate. They're like nubs.
SPEAKER_00I've got wide feet, mate. It's for anchoring.
SPEAKER_02No, you've got like weird fingers and weird.
SPEAKER_00It's for anchoring and pressing forward.
SPEAKER_02Weird feet. Pressing forward. It's like nubs in the ground. It just goes calf to heel. There's no ankle. It's like your neck. You've got no neck. You've got no calf
SPEAKER_00to heel. As the bloody barber decided to point out, like I got a haircut yesterday, right? I'm like leaning forward so he can shave the back of my neck. And he's like. bro, your neck is like wider than your head. I'm like, thanks, mate. He goes, what do you do for work, bro? I'm like, nothing that makes my neck wider than my head, mate. And then, yeah, he proceeded to keep asking me questions while he's got the fucking clippers in my ear. And I'm like, in my one good ear, I can't hear shit. So I'm just like, yep,
SPEAKER_02yep. Yeah, cool. Thumbs up. Aren't you the same as your little land eater? You're wider than your head.
UNKNOWNWhat?
SPEAKER_02What? I missed that. Is that the same as your little anteater? Is it wider than the head? I
SPEAKER_00mean, I suppose technically it adds girth, Josh.
SPEAKER_02Is your head wider than the... No, you want like a solid, like, you know, pronounced bulbous thing at the start. At the start? Yeah, so it's like, wow. So
SPEAKER_00you're
SPEAKER_02just like,
SPEAKER_04wait, where's the start? Like you... Visualise yourself receding it, and that's the start, or you're trying the base as a start? Because
SPEAKER_00I have perspective. I feel like. The start is going in, so the end. I mean, if you want to equate my neck to head ratio. So
SPEAKER_02why would you call that a start? Because it's the start of what penetrates. Yeah, but you'd call it the end.
UNKNOWNNo.
SPEAKER_02It's your head. So your head is typically the start of your body. Everyone would refer it to – No, it's your feet. You work your
SPEAKER_00way up. No. Are you suggesting from a penile point of view it's better to have a smaller head than the shaft? No, a bigger
SPEAKER_02head. A mushroom head. You want something that's like captivating. Do you know – The first five
SPEAKER_00seconds. The design of a penis is to have a mushroom head because it was like survival of the fittest. Like your penis – is supposed to scoop the semen of the competition males out.
SPEAKER_02What? What? I wish I didn't. Your face is priceless right now. I only caught the end of it. That
SPEAKER_00is literally from a biological evolutionary design point of view, whatever you want to say, that's why you should have a wider head on your dick than the shaft because – Supposedly, if you Google this. Talk
SPEAKER_02that to the animal kingdom where every other penis is not like that.
SPEAKER_00Well, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02That and modern-type barbs, bro, once it's in it, it ain't coming
SPEAKER_00out. That's how they've tried to explain. That's how they've tried to explain the design of the mushroom head of a penis.
SPEAKER_02You know, like a dog. Dogs, they, like, get stuck together because their barbs swell. Isn't that kind of like most of that?
SPEAKER_00I'm glad we're never going to be highbrow.
SPEAKER_02Just never. He's a cuck. Look, if
SPEAKER_00anyone out there.
SPEAKER_04Evolutionize out of us. One more monkeys to be stick together.
SPEAKER_00I'm literally typing in my phone right now. Penis head scooping scene out. Because I've read this before. Like I'm well read. You
SPEAKER_04can't Google your
SPEAKER_02answer. You've got to Google. You're pretty much helping Google get to the answer you want. AI's now got something else to come up with, by the way. Everything that you type in.
SPEAKER_00Look, I'm literally reading a thing here that says...
SPEAKER_02From the Urban Dictionary, which is trustworthy.
SPEAKER_00No, this is from an actual scientific journal. The human penis as a semen displacement device. The penis evolved as an internal fertilisation device. They're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But basically it's saying that because there's... at one point in time, like Neanderthal days, for you to be the king dig and your semen to be the one that actually fertilises the egg.
SPEAKER_02So if anything's got to do with the way your neck is, if it's got to do with below your waistband, it means that you're genetically inept. No, his neck is trying to filter out the bullshit everyone else puts out. Yeah, but his penis ain't doing that job. No, but that's
SPEAKER_04why his neck is just like... His neck is the barbs of his dick.
SPEAKER_03Shave your head, Caleb.
SPEAKER_00How much shorter can my hair get? Look at the skin fade going on. It doesn't get much
SPEAKER_03shorter.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Anyway, out there in podcast land, don't rely on us for biological updates. Do your own research.
SPEAKER_02Hey, look, we do hunt and shoot and stuff, but for some reason it always ends up with like...
SPEAKER_00But when we sit around a campfire.
SPEAKER_02Potty humour.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It has been a while since we've been together. I think it was like pre-Easter was our last recording. And we were about to go on a hunting trip, supposedly. I
SPEAKER_04feel like it's a good
SPEAKER_00segue. Yeah, thank you. You didn't have to fucking announce it. I was sort of- I'm announcing it. You are. He's called me out for segueing.
SPEAKER_02I'm just moving you on. Everyone knows what you're doing. One could say he's dragging the old semen out of the tube. I'm filtering your bullshit.
SPEAKER_00Look, anyone who is half educated out there will have read at some point in their life that the tip of a man's penis is supposedly designed... To scoop semen of other people out of a
SPEAKER_03vagina. It's science, bitch.
SPEAKER_00Legit. I wish I had the articles in front of me
SPEAKER_02right now. My head is doing like one of these, bro, and none of it is acceptable to regurgitate onto
SPEAKER_00it. You're going to go home and Google tonight and be like, yeah, you were right, Caleb.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm not. I'm just going to go home and think how gross you are. Do you want me to scoop the cum?
UNKNOWNNo.
SPEAKER_04Somebody's pick up line.
SPEAKER_00I feel like in a monogamous relationship, it's counterintuitive. But in pre that, when there was, we were more like animals. Natural world. Yeah, the natural world, the Neanderthal times. Then it was literally, yeah, Sabala the fittest. Wow. Anyway, as I was segwaying, it's been a while since we've done a pod. We've done a hunting trip. There's been failure to launch from other people who didn't come on a hunting trip because they were too busy coughing up a lung.
SPEAKER_02Was he though? I feel like that was an excuse. Fuck it. I wish I
SPEAKER_04wasn't, to be honest. So spoiler alert, I didn't make it. So I didn't want to be travelling 20 hours to try and stalk a deer that I couldn't stay quiet for 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_02So I'm pretty sure these two didn't want me to hunt with them if I couldn't stay quiet for 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_00So you didn't want to visit your family.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So I helped you guys out
SPEAKER_04by not coming. You didn't
SPEAKER_00want to visit your family in Victoria. That's pretty poor.
SPEAKER_04Oh, no, that too. And I probably shouldn't be socialising to tell them. And going into a colder climate.
SPEAKER_00The colder climate. Oh, he's full Queenslandified.
SPEAKER_02He is.
SPEAKER_00If it's under 15 degrees, I don't operate.
SPEAKER_02No, under 20. No, it's not the fact that I couldn't handle it. But, you know, when you're sick, you don't want to be going into the cold.
SPEAKER_00If it's less than 70 degrees. 70 degrees? 70% humidity, I don't operate.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I've got to drink water. I've got to sweat at all times. Look. It's poor. It wasn't actually that cold. It actually wasn't. It did rain for two days.
SPEAKER_00The rain was annoying. Not as annoying as being in state forests with other humans.
SPEAKER_02With your mates, enjoying a hunt, regardless of... Health.
SPEAKER_04So explain to us the process. Explain to us the – how many days? Five days? What? Explain to us the hunt. What happened? Where did you go? It
SPEAKER_00was over the east the long weekend. We're not going to give specifics of where we were. We were in State Forest in western Victoria. And there was some good intel in the lead-up, actually, to some success. But the thing with state forests.
SPEAKER_02My pleasure, by the way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, maybe you start gloating when we actually get some deer. The thing with state forests is obviously on long weekends there's more people there, more activity, more people scaring off deer, more hunting pressure. And we were there on Easter long weekend.
SPEAKER_02We were.
SPEAKER_00So. Thanks a lot. Look, it was positive in the fact that we saw deer and what often happens in State Forest is the deer appear where you can't hunt, not where you can.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, look, I think this trip as well, we took a young lad from work out with us and it's his first time deer hunting and his first time on State Forest. And he was super keen. Now, what made this really frustrating is, as Caleb was saying, the first day we saw deer on non-huntable land. And, dude, it looked actually pretty promising from that. I was kind of surprised. And it was just does and fawns. But it was around the rut. So I'm like, oh, look, you know, something could be kicking around. So you let those – is that what you're saying? You saw and had an opportunity for those but you didn't really – The first day. So they were 700 and something metres away and they were in non-huntable. So it was still – it's logging but, once again, non-huntable. But that really amped up our mate's excitement and obviously set a bit of a precedent Oh, and what to expect the next few days. You haven't been hunting before. It gets adrenaline going pretty well. It does. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, for us, it's just annoying because you're like, great, there's the deer 800 metres into non-huntable. How are we going to coax them this way?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. Pull like a little bit of feed out and maybe cook them a steak. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So we're annoyed. Versus him was just like, oh, I'm seeing deer in fucking State Forest.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was like starry-eyed, you know, to seasoned shooters, I guess. Anyway, set precedent what to expect. Now, after that, I was like, you know what, the chances, because it was so busy of us sort of seeing something again, it's getting slimmer. But then the next day... We go out, and once again, we went out to the same spot because we didn't bump them. We didn't move. They were 800 metres away. We thought, oh, you know what? They might sort of come a bit closer into the shootable side, and we can try and put a stalk on them, in which we were sitting there, glassing away, sort of late, early morning. Late
SPEAKER_00early morning.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, if that's a thing. So, you know, not like 12 o'clock, but like 9 o'clock. That's not a thing. Your hunting time is sort of like that.
SPEAKER_00Was it early morning? Was it mid-morning? Or was it late
SPEAKER_02morning? I think it was like late early. No. Yeah, you know how you get north, northwest? Yeah, this is a thing. Late morning. No,
SPEAKER_04north, northwest isn't north or east. Bro. No, north, south,
SPEAKER_02south. It
SPEAKER_00was 7
SPEAKER_02a.m. No, it wasn't. It would have been like 9.
SPEAKER_00Is this when we were interrupted?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_007 a.m.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00It was 7 a.m.? No. I
SPEAKER_02don't reckon. No way was it 7. I reckon it was heaps later. No,
SPEAKER_00it was
SPEAKER_027. But we're sitting there and we've seen a few deer. And, of course, once again, it gets this young fella super, super, super excited. And we're trying to, like, I guess formulate some sort of plan for
SPEAKER_00Well, the positive was they were actually closer to huntable. They were. And heading to huntable. And heading to huntable. So we were actually formulating a plan of action in terms of where we were going to sneak up on them or, like,
SPEAKER_03you
SPEAKER_00know, come across them, basically, where we could actually hunt them without doing the old P word. Pilching. Which, look – I understand how fucking tempting it is when you can see a deer right there and you could easily take a shot at them, but technically you can't. So you've got to go. Oh, there's
SPEAKER_02always that temptation.
SPEAKER_00There's such a temptation. But you just have to resist the urge because it's not the right thing to do.
SPEAKER_04Well, it sort of reinforces the fact of like you're only as good as when you think nobody's watching. So
SPEAKER_03that's
SPEAKER_04the temptation. It's like who's going to know? If you knew people were watching, you would never do it. But because you think that maybe no one will know, that's when people decide to have that crack.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I just always assume there's a trail cam looking at everything I do. I just assume that. Most
SPEAKER_04of the time
SPEAKER_00there probably is. Quite often there probably is. But then I'm like, it's just not worth the risk. At the end of the day, this is something I love doing. The last thing I want is to lose my license and have my guns taken away.
SPEAKER_02Look, I think if they were on the fringe – It'd be a different story. If they were like 100 metres in, you'd be like,
SPEAKER_00oh. I know. Just the temptation level goes up, Josh.
SPEAKER_04It does. That's the thing that there's a block that I shoot at on the range. They've had a few drones kicking about lately.
SPEAKER_02And just the last couple of weeks, they've just had a few cars getting about that haven't really been out before.
SPEAKER_04And you never know if it's someone – that's fishing about or they're just passing through. But then next minute, like, they end up finding a buck just decapitated on the property and nothing else is taken. Yep. So it's just, yeah, shitty behavior like that just makes your blood boil because it just ruins it for everyone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So what makes this harder, I think, is the fact that it's still crowned land. And it's just forestry. And it's like, well, you can hunt forestry, but this is just not allowed. Now, whether that's re-veg or, you know, it's being planted again.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's a safety thing. Like if there's a section that's being
SPEAKER_02like forested. Once the work's been done and they're planted, they're not going to go back there for another 40 years. So, you know what, reopen it.
SPEAKER_00Sure. And that's where they could probably live update the maps more often.
SPEAKER_04There's going to be some things there that, you know, I guess it's a hard one because there's going to be that one time where you have a crack that someone's working on that area.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's what I mean. Like when the work's done, you know, those pines take, yeah, 40 years before they're harvested. So, you know, update your maps. I don't
SPEAKER_04think they're doing anything.
SPEAKER_00Most of the time when it's a plantation next to State Forest, it's not huntable. And you can understand why.
SPEAKER_02Look, I get the fact that someone could be working there, but once they're planted and they've taken, there probably just ain't that much work to do. Yeah, pretty much. So, you know, I mean, there really is. And it
SPEAKER_04wouldn't be hard to collab like a few weekends here and there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, shut it down. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Or like a month or two. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So this is the biggest issue, right? And look, our upstanding ethics will come into play later on into this hunt. But we were there, we were formulating a plan because they were heading into huntable land and we thought, you know what, we'll head down and try and cut them off. And that sounded like a solid plan and ultimately, By all accounts, I think we would have come up successful, which made this even worse for this young fellow that we took out. Anyway, we're sitting there. We're just talking about formulating a plan, getting our heads together, and then next minute, boom, there's a bit of noise and the deer sort of look a bit, they look over to a certain corner. We're like, okay, next minute we can hear more noise. and you can just see people walking. Now, I didn't hear the cars go down. I just saw people walking and the noise of the people. And what it was was a group of guys coming in to enjoy the state forest like we were, but they've driven down into the non-huntable land, which is fine because it's not closed for access for vehicle. But the thing is they've gotten out of the car, with a gun and they've just walked through this non-huntable land right out to where we were glassing. Now, I don't know about you, Caleb, but I didn't really see them until they were a fair way in to this like open area.
SPEAKER_00I mean, you still had eyes on the deer. Once I heard the car door and someone's around the place and then saw cars, I was just straight up watching them the whole time.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So initially when they got out the car, and were walking around, I'm like, it looks like they're looking for something in the grass, the way they were sort of just back and forth looking around the place. I'm like, are they looking for something? And it gave the impression initially to me like someone who'd shot something the night before and was coming back to look for it. That's literally what I thought they were doing. And I couldn't – they weren't in like camo or anything like that, so I'm like, what's the deal here? And then I was glassing them and I'm like, okay, one of them's got a firearm, so all right. They're obviously looking for something. If it's still there and it's still alive, I don't know. That's why they've got the rifle. Surely they haven't seen the deer that we were looking at. They were walking around. It was a good 20 minutes, half an hour. I'm like, can you guys fuck off? Because you just essentially scared the deer that we were glassing off at this point. Oh, yeah. The
SPEAKER_02deer boosted. Sorry? Yeah, you said that under your breath
SPEAKER_04rather than yelling at them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, we're like – We're following all the normal protocols of being quiet, being down, upwind, like all that sort of shit. These guys have just gone full send it down. Three vehicles, four people out of the car, walking around. I'm like, this place is fucked now. Like, we're not going to get a deer here today.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, blow it out.
SPEAKER_00So, yeah, they've blown it out. They've done whatever. They've looked around. And then they've just stood at their car for another 20 minutes. Like, what are you guys doing? We're just watching. Whatever. I
SPEAKER_02think we were kind of hoping that they'd leave. Yeah, we'd come back out. Because there was such a large glassable area, we were thinking that maybe the other side of the glassable area might turn up something because the wind was still in the favour. Yeah, there was a bit of noise, but we're talking like, what, a can and a half sort of box that we can sort of glass into. So like maybe, and it's undulating, so we're like maybe. Maybe there's something that'll poke its head up.
SPEAKER_00I meant we were downwind, not upwind.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, downwind. So this is the weird thing. They've realised something or something's instigated them getting back into the cars. I think it was to essentially set up camp because they'd just got there. So they've started driving back up the hill. They've stopped into the corner where they were – Thinking about camping and the only reason why we know this is because one of them's drawn in the ground on the track, boys camp, like 2025. And for some reason they descended up walking down the track towards us because we were sort of like backing off the track. But they've started walking down and at some point they've seen us. We've heard them coming. But they've seen us and gone, oh, okay, they've come in. They've asked something to start with. They're just like, oh, hey, how are you going, blah, blah, blah, and then they went off.
SPEAKER_00Hang on. Let's play more of a picture here because I have actually told this story on another podcast. I've cheated on you boys. I've been on another pod. On that
SPEAKER_02note, I'm going to take a piss while
SPEAKER_00you think about what you've done. You can
SPEAKER_02just quietly leave,
SPEAKER_00but yeah, it's all right. It's all right. He doesn't know how to be incognito. So I have told this story. story on another podcast which incidentally has come out recently so for anyone who hasn't seen it yet check out the bullet points podcast um associated with scoped out so rusty and max um we'll probably post a link to it anyway uh what i didn't do in that podcast was paint a picture of the fuckery because At this point, I was pissed because I'm like, these guys have just scared off the deer. I can't do much about it. It's state forest, whatever. As Josh said, they've come back up the hill. We've heard more car doors. I'm like, they've stopped at the top of the hill. I'm like, I reckon they're getting out and they're going to be walking around. So I'm just standing there. I've stopped glassing everything. I'm just sitting there. I'm like, I'm expecting humans to walk down the track. And sure enough, down the track comes a couple of dudes and And they're not got – it's the sort of guys you're like, they've got no fucking idea what they're doing. So one of them's dressed in like Adidas sneakers, his socks pulled up over his black trackie pants, black Katmandu on fucking like – no idea. I'm like, you don't do this all the time. You're not prepared. You're not a hunter. Then there was another dude. He's like in this massive puffer jacket, like some jeans on. He's got like a big-ass fucking hunting knife in his back pocket. Yeah, like Tommy Hilfiger. Josh from the background somewhere where he's taking a piss. Tommy Hilfiger. And then I'm watching them walk down the track, and where we're used to moving stealthily and not making noise, these guys are just like crunching down the hill, like full view. If there was anything there, they would have scared it off right. Already? Yeah,
SPEAKER_04it's pretty much the cowboys of the hunting
SPEAKER_00world. They see us. We see them. All right, we've got to make some sort of signal to be like, we're friendly. We're not going to fucking shoot you. Because it's always weird coming across another hunter. You've
SPEAKER_02got to do the wave.
SPEAKER_00There's other humans with a firearm. So, like, I sort of waved. But at the same point, I'm seething. I'm like, fuck these cunts. Then they just walk over. And then without, like, not whispering, because, you know, when you're hunting – And you're glassing and whatever. You're like, oh, hey, mate, I think there's something over there. You whisper. These guys are like, oh, hey, bro, what's going on? Like, are you guys like hunting here all day today or what's going on? And I'm like, for fuck's sake. And I turned the other way. I'm like, Josh, I didn't say it to him, but I'm like, Josh is doing the talking here because I just want to fucking. And this
SPEAKER_02is the second time?
SPEAKER_00No, the first time. Because they
SPEAKER_02didn't ask the first time how long we were hunting.
SPEAKER_00No, they did. The first time they came down, they're like, oh, are you going to be here all day or what? And then we're like, yeah, man, we set up here. And then they sort of walked off. And then 10 minutes later, another two, like the same one plus a different one comes back down the hill. And again, they're not being discreet. Like you've just blown our cover, quote unquote. You've blown the area and you're walking back down full volume again. Like are you guys going to – like are you camping here or what? We were just thinking about sitting up the top of the hill, bro. And I'm like, fuck's sake. Do you guys not have any clue what you're doing?
SPEAKER_02It's etiquette.
SPEAKER_00Like it's – yeah, there was no etiquette. There was no idea like – At
SPEAKER_04least they were communicating what they were going to
SPEAKER_00do. At least that was a good thing because they're asking what our plans were so we didn't like run into each other. And I'm thinking when they said, we're thinking, oh, how's my voice? Crikey. I need some more beer. When they said to me, we were thinking about sitting up at the top of the hill. I'm like, so you want to camp on top of the fucking deer? Do you have no clue? Like, don't camp where the deer are. Camp away from the deer and go to the deer.
SPEAKER_04Camp away from the deer brood.
SPEAKER_00I don't know what accent that was.
SPEAKER_04I thought you should have done it. That was
SPEAKER_00Kiwi. But I'm like, these guys have no frigging clue. Are they on a camping trip and they've brought firearms or are they on a hunting trip? Because if they're on a hunting trip, they're doing it all wrong.
SPEAKER_03And
SPEAKER_00we're all on a different stage. We're all in different areas. Like we're all, we're on a different timeline in terms of our progression through our hunting journeys. And we had a brand newbie with us, but by the same token, I'm like the dumb shit that these guys were doing. Like they literally saw deer, probably the ones we were looking at decided to drive down. Cause we asked him, was that you guys that drove down there? Oh yeah. Yeah. Like the deer, man, like the chocolate one, it ran like right across us, bro. Like, ugh. So you decided to drive at them, then walk around in a paddock near where they were, and then drive back up the hill and decide to camp right where they were. Made no sense whatsoever. Anyway, long story short, we're like, this is blown. Like, this is fucked. We've got to move on. New plan of attack. Long story short, later on we found where they did set up camp, which was in the middle of forestry.
SPEAKER_02Not huntable. Like
SPEAKER_00not huntable. Not campable. Not like not supposed to camp there. Not huntable. And it was tent city, bro. Like for four dudes, four dudes, three vehicles, and if they're listening to this, please be better. But like – the biggest camp set up you've ever seen, like rooftop tents, like full massive tents, not a swag in sight, you would think they were going to be there for a month.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was pretty elaborate.
SPEAKER_00Like turn it up. Turn it up, boys.
SPEAKER_02Look, the funny thing I think about this is once they've gone, because we said that we were going to be there all day and then we obviously regrouped and had a bit of a chat and we're like, oh, let's try this other spot. which I'd scouted a few weeks prior. Yeah. And we were like, yeah, okay, you know, let's do it because at this stage, like it was well and truly done and dusted, this area. They've left. We've gathered our thoughts, started moving off to this other spot. And what we come across, I think from the looks of the bucks in the area, was probably either the head honcho of the area or at least a contender, right? So for a public land buck, he would have been probably acceptable. Yeah, like
SPEAKER_00decent. You'd take it for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So we've come in and out. We've gone up to where they stopped to initially camp to move back onto one of the main roads to just follow down to then spear off into the bush. And along the way. Caleb and I were walking and this young fella, he's just all steam at this point. He's obviously, you know, a bit disheartened from what's just happened. We're all a bit pissy. Yeah, we all are. And we're all kind of in the mindset of like we've blown the area out. Let's just get to the next place. Yeah. And so he's like charging ahead. Next minute he just stops. And so we've naturally like we're all situationally aware so we've all stopped. And he's like, dear, dear, dear. This nice cracking buck is just walking down the road. Just walking down the road. I'm like, okay. Now, legally, we couldn't have shot from the road, so this probably played out for the best because the young fella took up a bit of a firing position. He wasn't stable. He was unsure. And he's pulled me across. just signalled me, like, Josh, take it. So I've come across to where he was, pulled my bipod legs out to see if I could see the deer. Looked and I couldn't see it. This deer was in this defilade that was just weird. A what? A defilade.
SPEAKER_00A defilade? What's a defilade? Fucking congratulations, Josh. No, it's
SPEAKER_02my pleasure. It's a word I literally made up. Spell
SPEAKER_00it. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, I'm actually
SPEAKER_02impressed. While you all fact check this, let's just pause the podcast. It sounds legit. Sounds legit.
SPEAKER_00A defilade is the protection of forces against enemy observation or
SPEAKER_02gunfire. So there you go. It's a defilade. He was in an
SPEAKER_00area we couldn't shoot him.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yeah, basically. I'm
SPEAKER_00fucking impressed, bro. No, that's all right. Congratulations. Props to Josh.
SPEAKER_02My pleasure. Those are well-versed, wouldn't know these things. Sorry, educated. So he was essentially in some dead ground and the road looked, it was so deceiving. It looked flat and fine and he was just tucked in and all I could see was ears. I couldn't see anything else. So I'm like, oh, whatever. And to be honest, you, Caleb, if you were – because the side of the road sort of banked up where it had been graded. You could have probably seen him if you dropped to your guts and put your bipod out. You probably would have had a better observation on him than what we would
SPEAKER_00have. And herein lies the problem of we – at that point, we're just not like – in a position of just send lead we're like we're trying to get someone his first buck on public land yeah and then our normal like etiquette is all right you're the one who saw it so it's your shot so we've gone through a process of he saw it wasn't comfortable taking the shot josh you take it josh moves into a shooting position the deer's moving meanwhile i'm third in line and i'm like well i could have probably moved a little bit here and taken a shot but By this stage, now the deer's fucked off. Yeah, yeah. So it's like a comedy of errors, whereas if we'd all just gone, deer, fucking, then there would be five rounds in a fucking fallow buck.
SPEAKER_02Having said this. No, but, like, how many things can go wrong doing that, for one? And two,
SPEAKER_04kudos to him that we won't name, but – Being your first hunt. We won't name a shame. Seeing a deer that you kind of could have shot but maybe not and restrained yourself from shooting because you didn't feel comfortable doing it. Yeah. Where a lot of people get overwhelmed with adrenaline and take a shot.
SPEAKER_00That's true. That's
SPEAKER_02true. I think it was his ability because we had a chat about this afterwards. I think it was his ability to recognise that he was – Too pumped up with adrenaline to take the shot. Yeah, exactly. Because afterwards he was like, yeah, I could have shot it, but I couldn't keep still. And I'm like, and I told him this before. I said, Buck Fever's going to set in, bro. You're going to be like wonky donk, like looking through that scope. That's just normal. So you are right. Like his ability to see that is a testimony to his future skills, to be honest, man. There's no
SPEAKER_04harder shot than the one you don't
SPEAKER_02take. Yeah. But this also probably played out for the best because technically, state law, you're not allowed to shoot 50 metres within a road. And because it all happened so quickly and we were trying to observe what was going on and, you know, gather our thoughts, like obviously that was an afterthought with it all. Which, look, is a mistake, but it played out for the best realistically. So that's fine. Having said that, this track, you know, like safety-wise, it would have been more than fine to do it. But that's not the law. Anyway, he gave up his opportunity. It all went pear-shaped. And we moved to this next location and after the young lad trying to find him in the bush actually, he sort of like ran into the bush and trying to like see where the buck's gone and this. And, you know, big state forest, man, like 30 metres in and it's just like a blanket of crap or you can't see anything. And to be honest, the average height of a fallow deer, like even 10 metres in, you're going to be hard-pressed to see it through the broom. But we've all pressed on. We went to this other location, and there was not much about it. There was a little bit of sign, but not fresh sign, I would say. Hang on. Continue. Thank you. And so we sort of packed it in for that morning. Caleb's trying to like exit discreetly in doing so. He could just say I'm going to
SPEAKER_00take a piss. I'm sorry, like you announced I'm going to go take a piss where I'm just trying to like let you keep talking while I go discreetly take a piss.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but it's not discreet. And you've stopped. Because we don't know what you're doing. Keep talking. So, yeah, that disheartened the young fella a little bit. We ended up going back to camp a bit later. in the morning because obviously we pushed out initial plans so that just stretched out the time of when you were going to naturally fall back to camp. And we debriefed at camp for a little while, had a few beverages, and Caleb's missus was actually out with us this trip and she's reading the smut books, right? That's Caleb laughing from the pisser. She's reading these absolute smut books, man. Like it is essentially porn. Like what's the
SPEAKER_04old style ones that are like our parents' age of ones that they read? Yeah, like that romance, real romance style.
SPEAKER_02No, no, this is like romance but 2025. So it's like there is no – It's all lewd behavior and there's no innuendo. It's just blatant, absolute blatant pornography. Did she read some to
SPEAKER_04you?
SPEAKER_02So she did. So she spent the afternoon reading in segments, story time, this smut book. And I think that helped relax Jackson a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Now you just name him. This young man, this young gentleman. Jackson. Yeah, sorry. It's
SPEAKER_04like the man we won't
SPEAKER_02name has been named. Jaco. We'll call him out.
SPEAKER_00It's out. I'm not editing this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I don't think he's going to mod. Oh, too late now.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, I've just come back from a piece and now you're talking about my Mrs. Smut books that she reads.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, your Mrs. Somehow that relaxed Jacko for some reason.
SPEAKER_00Well, Joshua was requesting an update every five seconds about what was being read.
SPEAKER_02It's because she'd giggle after reading a little bit on what happened to him. Josh
SPEAKER_00would be like, oh, read me this chapter. Look,
SPEAKER_02you were getting into it as well, bro. No. I've seen your pants. They're a full mask.
SPEAKER_00Mask.
SPEAKER_02Mask. Sorry.
SPEAKER_00Full mask. What the hell?
SPEAKER_04Caleb's like all about the, yeah, we can reenact that. That's fine. She's into it.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. It needs foreplay when she's been reading about it
SPEAKER_02for four years. Wasn't it like a murderer getting his groove on with a chick?
SPEAKER_00Oh, that book, yeah, that was fucked, that one.
SPEAKER_02Oh, bruh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was weird. Was
SPEAKER_02she dead
SPEAKER_00or what? No, that one was a – she's going to hate me talking about this, by the way. But that one was like fucking Peter Pan, like Hook – but it's been rejigged. So it's like this particular author takes Disney stories and just like goes dark romance with them.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it's kind of like the opposite of what fucking, where did Disney films come from? Those books.
SPEAKER_00I
SPEAKER_04can't think
SPEAKER_00of it. Yeah, I don't know. They were
SPEAKER_04dark.
SPEAKER_00This one was loosely around Peter Pan, Captain Hook.
SPEAKER_02That's right. So he was thinking about killing Tinkerbell, but in doing so having relations with her. Something like that. Oh,
SPEAKER_00I don't know. It was something cool. Now it's blurring.
SPEAKER_02Now I want to read it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're going to be sitting around the fire after a crap morning hunt and you're going to be like, hey, story time, let's do this. You're going to be sipping your beer and you're going to be into it.
SPEAKER_00Do you know what? It was nice coming back to someone in camp who was prepared to cook breakfast. Oh, 100%. Instead of go around the circle, oh, you got any snacks
SPEAKER_02yet? Catchy gets that every time he goes hunting. What do you mean? Gets at 1 o'clock and you still haven't had breakfast.
SPEAKER_00Just had five lots of snacks and no one's bothered to put the bacon and eggs on.
SPEAKER_02Oh, dear.
SPEAKER_00She did enjoy it, actually. Look, it
SPEAKER_02was good. The book or
SPEAKER_00both? The book. I don't know. It was foreign because she'd never been on a hunting
SPEAKER_02trip. It looks like he's got a recessed hairline with the computer glitching.
SPEAKER_00Okay, this is relevant to you and I, but anyone listening to this is just like, what are you talking about? We
SPEAKER_02just got an insight into what Catch is going to look like in 10 years' time. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Catch has got a filter on his camera. Well, like a background, and it's glitching out a little bit, so it's receding his hairline.
SPEAKER_02Is it? It was.
SPEAKER_00It was.
SPEAKER_02With your other arm up.
SPEAKER_00Put your other arm back up.
SPEAKER_02When you look like you're intrigued in a romance smart book.
SPEAKER_00That's just like he's got a hole in his head. Anyway, we digress. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Digress to like for no one else's.
SPEAKER_00Where did you get to on the hunting side of this?
SPEAKER_02Oh, we'd. Finished up for that morning at that creek and we'd gone back to hunting.
SPEAKER_00That was a cracker little like depression slash little fucking creek running into that, whatever that was, little waterway. That would have been a cracker campsite.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Absolutely stunning where we were, to be honest, which will remain unnameless.
SPEAKER_00Remain unnameless.
SPEAKER_02Unnameless.
SPEAKER_04So where are we going next? That's the question.
SPEAKER_00Well, hang about because Josh and the young gentleman, okay, Jackson, left on the Easter Monday and I continued on with the Dahl and went to a couple of other state forests which we've been to before, the first of which is in the outways. And honestly, I don't know. Of all the effort we put in to remembering where that actually was, It was actually terrible. Like, hunting-wise, I don't know why we fell in love with it last time. Hang on, did
SPEAKER_02you see sign? Because last time there was sign.
SPEAKER_00There was no sign. This is a quarry, hey. The quote-unquote quarry, which is not a quarry, not great. We've called it the quarry before. We've called it the quarry. We refer to it affectionately. I'm
SPEAKER_04also getting at the fact of, you know, long-time listeners. They would have heard
SPEAKER_00about it. Yeah, they would have heard about the quarry. But the quarry is shit. Like upon reflection, we have progressed a long way and I've identified it as not a great area for hunting.
SPEAKER_02Look, I disagree. So where that is, I've had numerous reports.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but have you?
SPEAKER_02So, okay, the numerous reports also include photographic evidence of things taken in in and amongst that region. So we might not be in the perfect spot, but if we move, you know, 10, 15 k's.
SPEAKER_00I found probably one of my favourite campsites, 3k's down the road though, that we ended up camping in, which was as picturesque as anything, like beautiful location, set up camp, got everything set up and then there was wasps. And my missus was not happy with that situation. Soon to become you weren't happy with that situation. I was not happy with that situation because she was not happy with that situation and I was not about to pack everything up and set off again. So I later discovered obviously a fucking wasp nest had fallen out of a tree because I'm looking all around like, why is there like four wasps? And they're just hanging around. But then I found like the wasp nest on the ground later, or the next day actually. I'm like, it's fine. You're not going to get stung. I'm like, I'm out here. I'm like buzzing around. I'm fine. I've got the fire going. It's beautiful. Let's get in with it. Get on with it. And yeah.
SPEAKER_02Was that huntable?
SPEAKER_00It was huntable, but very thick and very steep. Any sign? To digress on
SPEAKER_04the wasp for a second, I'm going to steer this. Left, and then we can bring it back. But have you guys seen the YouTube videos of where people get the cup of petrol? Yeah. And straight over a wasp nest? I can confirm that works a fucking treat. So, yeah, we had a wasp nest on the Cuddle Crush here at home and didn't notice until halfway through dealing with a lot of cattle. And the next day I decided to try it out. And it was on a sloped 45-degree surface, so it was kind of like a bit dicky to sort of try and get a proper seal. But when you're holding it there, you're like, fuck, I'm going to be the guy that's going to get stung here. And everyone else will be able to do it and be fine. But to my surprise, worked a treat and it was done and dusted in like 20 seconds. So anyone who wants to have a crack, a cup of petrol and just stuff again. They just fall straight in.
UNKNOWNYeah.
SPEAKER_04And then you just give the cup a shake and it knocks the arnest down.
SPEAKER_00There you go.
SPEAKER_04But, yeah, so continue.
SPEAKER_00Confirmed. Not just a TikTok friend.
SPEAKER_02I think you would do the same if a cup was the equivalent size ratio. Oh, yeah, if the cup was a, you know. I think you'd do
SPEAKER_00the same. I mean, let's not get into the sniffing petrol debate. because for some members of the community, it's pastime.
SPEAKER_01What do you mean, Nigel? What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00Anyway, leave it alone. Leave it alone. Yeah, so you took us on a digression. Where were you going? I can't remember. He side shifted. He went left.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm sorry. I knew it was going to throw us off.
SPEAKER_00Wasps. Oh, it was a great campsite. Yes, it was huntable. Pretty thick, pretty steep. Was there no sign around that? No sign, no. I checked all around the quote-unquote quarry and the other campsite I found. So we bailed on the outways.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right. Did we actually mention where that quarry was publicly?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_02No. And no, I don't want to.
SPEAKER_04It's west of the actual quarry. I want to have a quick squeeze. I want to have a look at the maps.
SPEAKER_00Well, I can't tell you on a podcast. No, just
SPEAKER_04tell me north, south, east, west.
SPEAKER_00I'll find it. I feel like I've sent you the coordinates. I know
SPEAKER_04where the quarry is. Anyway, continue then.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, we bowed out of there, went along the Great Ocean Road for a bit, came back to another state forest where we'd hunted before and literally – Every single time I've been to that particular state forest, I've seen deer or taken deer. And this time there was not even any, like there was maybe like two prints, like a deer and a buck, a doe and a buck, I mean,
SPEAKER_02and that was it. So this is the issue is Rowan has been back there and despite not being on huntable land, Has taken animals and on one trip taken multiple animals and – He's huntable. No, no, not where he shot. I don't think. I could be wrong. Is this hearsay? I
SPEAKER_04don't think one guy is going to be
SPEAKER_02the – No, this property, one, it gets thoroughly used and, two, we've been there a few times and – I'm pretty sure I saw the same deer on the place. And, like, if you're taking a few deer from there, and he's done well from that property, but the thing is he's taken spikes, does, fawns.
SPEAKER_00To be fair, I've seen deer every time, but I've only seen does and fawns.
SPEAKER_02No, you've seen a buck as well in velvet. I don't remember that. Well, I do. You were in – he was in that defilade. On the non-huntable. Stop it with your defilade. On the non-huntable. He's hooked.
SPEAKER_00I don't remember that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was right there with you and we were glassing him.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, let's not fucking throw Ryan under a bus. I'm sure he was being an upstanding citizen and only hunting huntable areas of state forest.
SPEAKER_02Oh, look. I wasn't there, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I've been present while he's taken one and it was definitely on huntable land.
SPEAKER_02From the way it was described to me. I'm like, maybe you should check your maps next time just to see if you're in or out of the zone. But he's done very well on that land, but I don't think that land held many more.
SPEAKER_00Are you suggesting he's taking out the breeding population?
SPEAKER_02Look, I do. And I dare say that that is a fair conclusion.
SPEAKER_04It's
SPEAKER_02beyond a stretch to say that he has caused that. Obviously with everyone else that goes there. Are you suggesting
SPEAKER_00the South Australian government should employ Ryan to hunt forests to effectively eradicate all deer in South Australia as a pest species? It sounds like
SPEAKER_04a good one.
SPEAKER_00Yes, please.
SPEAKER_04Has there been a shitload of aerial culling in Victoria? Has there or not?
SPEAKER_00I mean, there's been some.
SPEAKER_02They have it. They don't have the same plan as South Australia does.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they don't have the same objective of eradicate every single fucking deer. Yeah. Theirs is more
SPEAKER_04management. The vision is going to be quite different in Vic compared to SA, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, Samba and other deer are also considered – game species there, so they can't legally do that.
SPEAKER_00And they also make money off people getting fucking permits to hunt deer in Victoria versus us making no money from it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's concerning that it was a lot quieter.
SPEAKER_00Well, there's nothing. And I actually spoke to the guy. I was out hunting one morning and there was a guy walking his horses who owns the property – the non-huntable private property in the middle of this state forest. The high fenced? Yes, the high fenced. And he's like, oh, you're after deer, are you? I'm like, yeah. He goes, oh, you won't find them in here. They're out in the main road. He named the main road like running next to the forest. And I'm like, they've got to fucking – in my head I'm like, they've got to live somewhere, man. They don't just live on the road. That's where you see them all the time. The track has been. But then like, you know, after he'd moved on, I sort of was walking down this main track where I always see deer. And there's generally a thoroughfare across this track into the private property where there's like grassy area and they like to go out and graze. And there's always thoroughfare and you can see footprints. And the first time ever there was none. It was all just roos. And then I spotted this Waltham Grave big, like dog paw print. I'm like, that's a fucking big dog. Like, what the hell? This is different. So then one morning I was just glassing a spot where I've been a few times and always spotted deer, which is, there's like three thoroughfares that'll converge in this one point going into the forest. And I'm like, this is a good spot to just sit up and wait. And I know it's a good spot because so much wildlife would just literally walk straight past me. without even knowing I was there. So I'm like, well, I'm in a good position for wind and all that. The deer are just going to come out and not even know I'm there. So I'm sitting there and then like a mob of roos just bounds past me. They come out of the private land and head into the state forest. And I just happened to look behind me and there's this fucking huge dog just staring at me like 10 metres away. And then as soon as I looked around, I just started barking like nonstop. And I'm like, okay. I sort of worked out what was going on. He chased all the roos off the private property back into the state forest. And I'm like, he's probably doing the same for deer. So that's why there's none going in and out anymore. And this dog just literally barked at me for 300 metres as it ran up the hill back to its house. I'm like, okay. Okay. So what's been a normal process of us being able to sit and lie and wait for deer to come from private to public is no longer going to work because they simply are being chased by this dog every five
SPEAKER_02seconds. See, look, I get that, but I also don't think there's the population there. I
SPEAKER_00don't think so because I didn't spot any sign on any of the tracks as I was walking through. that I would normally spot. But having said that, the caveat I will put in place here is I've hunted that exact state forest the exact same weekend, other years previous, with Ryan in fact, and I looked at those photos. It was green. It was wet. It was muddy. It was luscious. The weekend I was there, it was dry. It just started raining, but the grass was all still brown as anything. So there's much less water around. Maybe that's a factor.
SPEAKER_04100% that would be, yeah. Where would they be? That's
SPEAKER_00the only thing that gives me hope. Like literally I have a video of Ryan carrying a doe he just shot. Down a track and him slipping and sliding in the mud and looking at the grass next to it, it's all just like luscious green grass.
SPEAKER_02Man, he gets luckier there. He
SPEAKER_00does. That state forest, Ryan has literally like been dozing and then sat up and there's a deer there and he shot it. Literally. Literally. Literally. He's also missed them, but. Hence why I was like, I'm just going to lie in wait here.
SPEAKER_02Nice easy hunt too because I'm presuming you camped in the same spot. No,
SPEAKER_00I did look at that spot and it was no good. So I actually, I don't know if you remember that time we were camped in that normal spot by the log and we were hacking through and we spotted a couple camping in a rooftop tent. Mm-hmm. That's where we camped.
SPEAKER_02Ah. I remember that couple. Yeah, that was kind of weird. I did notice them.
SPEAKER_00Because that log area was like overgrown and like not a nice flat area to set up. So we didn't camp there.
SPEAKER_04I actually liked that there.
SPEAKER_00Look, the logs.
SPEAKER_04That was where the dog was you
SPEAKER_00were saying. Basically that high fenced area.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00All along there. Yeah, that was where the dog was just patrolling. And I put two and two together because the day before, I'm like, why can I hear a dog barking all the time? And, yeah, this big dog would just, like, run out from the house, chase all the roos and whatever else out of the fence, which.
SPEAKER_02That's a good way of getting your dog shot, though. Like, if that dog's on public land.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we had a collar on.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Dude, people shoot at movement.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but. I'm an educated
SPEAKER_04fucking hunter.
SPEAKER_00I'm not going to shoot a thing. It looked like a Labrador across a ridge back. It was this oversized, shaggy Labrador-looking thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00No,
SPEAKER_04I'm not saying you would shoot it, but, you know, there's people out
SPEAKER_00there. It'd be interesting to see how far into the state forest he strays. From what it looked like, he was just, like, coming out the potholes and then just running along the track and then going back in once the roos and whatever else had fucked off into the forest.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, judging by all the barking going on the day before, I'm like, that's what he does. That's every day, all day. He's just chasing roos and deer out of this fucking property.
SPEAKER_04Awesome.
SPEAKER_00So there you go. After, well, that was seven days and probably 10 deer spotted, no deer down.
SPEAKER_02We saw 11 on state land where we were. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04okay. So same, not shot. That's unfortunate.
SPEAKER_00That's hunting though sometimes. That's a good way for
SPEAKER_04Jacko to learn, but...
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Or maybe that's the formula. He passed one up and the next one will be a stonker.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Did he go through any adversity though?
SPEAKER_02Not really. No, no.
SPEAKER_00Not really.
SPEAKER_02We could have put him through adversity. We could have. Maybe we should have. So... When are you coming down?
SPEAKER_04Well, we were talking about it beforehand. I'm down in July, but that's for not personal. I don't know. We'll have to organise a trip, so we might have to go in between New South Wales. I know that's already been inflated, but... Kosciuszko is pretty middle as well, travel distance-wise.
SPEAKER_02Ooh. I've got a spot in Kozy that might turn up some. It's good glassing. Ooh. But if it's raining.
SPEAKER_04North-East and Vic, we'd be able to do that.
SPEAKER_02Ooh. He's got ooh to everything or what? Actually, Kozy and Ginny is pretty close, so we could – Yeah, we could probably work something out. So
SPEAKER_04whether I decide to drive down or what we did last time and just fly down?
SPEAKER_02Cool. I think you should probably drive because cosy, if it's wet, all around that area is just like you need two cars. I've done it once with one. Do you
SPEAKER_04need a winch that none of us have?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, at least if two, you've got snatchies or whatever. It's just way more safer. Doing it once with one and nearly coming to guts, I'm like, no, no. And it's where I'm thinking is at least it's pretty remote. Like you're driving sort of 40 minutes doing 100 k's an hour to get out there.
SPEAKER_04You know that lake we're going to head to? I'm going to do a trip there. We should do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Eildon.
SPEAKER_04Well, yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's not a secret. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02true.
SPEAKER_04Like Eildon, we should do that.
SPEAKER_00We could take the tinny. With the tinny. Yeah. With the tinny.
SPEAKER_04Now
SPEAKER_00we're talking. Oh.
SPEAKER_02He's jerking a dude upside down.
SPEAKER_00Again, Josh, like anyone at home has no idea what Shannon is gesticulating on the fucking camera to us. It
SPEAKER_02wasn't a wave. Who waves with their thumb down? Why wouldn't you just wave? For
SPEAKER_00context, my missus walked past in the background and Shannon was waving, but he wasn't doing a normal.
SPEAKER_02Jerking the
SPEAKER_00air. He was waving upside down.
SPEAKER_02At your missus. I was jerking
SPEAKER_00the air. Hey, what's going on?
SPEAKER_04Never in your mind.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, what are we thinking with this episode? We're just going to cap it here or are we going to go into – No,
SPEAKER_02cap it.
SPEAKER_00Cap it?
SPEAKER_02I'm done. I'm ready for bed.
SPEAKER_00He hasn't been sleeping. He's got father duties out the wazoo.
SPEAKER_02But just do it, man.
SPEAKER_00Just go hunting. Just chuck her in the drawer and fuck off.
SPEAKER_02Look, once again, I'd do that, but – Overlooked one key element.
SPEAKER_04Dude, just chuck her in the drawer and just do it.
SPEAKER_02Just do it, Josh. Just go. That one key element is I don't own a
SPEAKER_00drawer. Chuck her in the backpack. Just
SPEAKER_02do it. Hey, she's getting that age where I could put her in the backpack, to be honest.
SPEAKER_00You're the only one. Well, you're not actually the only one stopping that happening.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Therein lies the issue.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. All right. Well, I think, yeah, good time to wrap.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, thanks for listening. Yeah. Fuck. It's like I've forgotten how to do a podcast now. But by all means, check out the Bullet Points podcast that I was on recently.
SPEAKER_02Go, go, go.
SPEAKER_00As an alternative where you don't have to listen to these two clowns carry on, you can listen to Rusty and Max and me as an alternative. We like to promote other hunting podcasts that are out there.
SPEAKER_04Also, if you're not going to be a bitch like these two, let me know and we'll join up in the push-up challenge.
SPEAKER_02No, Caleb said he's down. He's going to do it. Caleb said he'd do it in like
SPEAKER_0410 days.
SPEAKER_00Can I just ride Josh's back while he does his? Does that count? I already
SPEAKER_02told you. I ain't doing it. Why are
SPEAKER_00you doing it?
SPEAKER_02Because it's
SPEAKER_00too
SPEAKER_02easy. You're the one that's supposed to quit, Josh. I'm not doing it. It's too easy. You're the one that's supposed to do this shit.
SPEAKER_00All right, you can do double then. How's that? Nah.
SPEAKER_04Josh, just do push-ups from the knees.
SPEAKER_02To be honest, I could do it like just a couple of days, get out of the road and just be like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Let's do it then.
UNKNOWNDo it.
SPEAKER_02No, I know what you're doing, Shannon. Just send it, mate. I know what you're doing. Send it.
SPEAKER_04You know what? The old Josh wouldn't have skipped the heartbeat. He would have just accepted.
SPEAKER_02Bro, it would have been dumb on you. Not really. That's a lot of push-ups.
SPEAKER_04No, your shoulder can't hack it anymore, can it?
SPEAKER_02Daddy Josh is a bitch. Daddy Josh has still got a better body than both of you. Come
SPEAKER_00on. Daddy Josh just called himself Daddy Josh and I love it.
SPEAKER_02Hey, Daddy. Settle down, you weirdo. That's disgusting.
SPEAKER_04You're the one that called yourself
SPEAKER_02Daddy. You just daddied yourself. Because I am a dad.
SPEAKER_04That's
SPEAKER_02weirdo. No, how is that weirder?
SPEAKER_00I think it's weirder.
SPEAKER_02That's weirdest.
SPEAKER_00Self-confessed, self-professed daddy.
SPEAKER_02Anyway. You're calling me daddy.
SPEAKER_00We have a shocking way of ending this podcast. We could probably just, no, we can't. We don't know how to finish. We help everyone finish, but we don't ever finish.
SPEAKER_02No, I'll finish.
SPEAKER_00Do you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm pretty good. You finish before we start recording. 100%. It's not about her. It's about you. All
SPEAKER_03right,
SPEAKER_00guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Catch you next time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00These are so weird.