Interview with Apostle T.G. Gardner

Apostle Tavares Gardner is an author and senior pastor at The Way Fellowship in Dallas, TX.  He has served in ministry for more than 20 years. Because of his powerful testimony, he preaches a challenging and penetrating word that strongly articulates the heart and mind of God. Apostle Gardner flows heavily in the gifts of the Spirit, with a heavy emphasis on healing and deliverance.  Hi book Up & Out is Available on Amazon:   https://amzn.to/3Y7yaGA

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You found the Miracle of Deliverance podcast. If you need freedom or want to know more about casting out devils, praying for those in bondage, or interested in helping people be free through the power of Jesus Christ, then we are your people. Thanks for joining us. Welcome. I'm so excited today. I have Apostle T .G. Gardner with us. He's an author, a senior pastor at the Way Fellowship in Dallas, Texas. Welcome. I'm so glad you could be on today. Thank you, Lisa, for having me. I'm honored to be your guest on today. Yeah. I'm going to ask you about your ministry, but I'm going to just tell the River folks and those that listen in how I found you. And it was, I was looking for resources on how to minister to people that are traumatized. And I would look, I'd looked at a video inside of a video and I don't remember how I got to it. And I got, and I got to hear your testimony. You were talking about some of the complexities of trauma and how God heals that. And I was, I just messaged you. I talked to Pastor Jones and I said, I want to have him on Pastor's Connect. So that's how Kentucky met Texas. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So honored. You never know who's watching. So anybody that wants to leave a comment, I'll be watching those. Hello, Vincent Jones. I see you on there. Could you just tell us some about your ministry, about your mission or whatever you want to tell us so that we can get to know you? Our ministry is about deliverance and getting people delivered from bondage and, you know, getting them set free and discipling them so they can be what God has ordained for them to be and purpose for them to be as it is written in heaven. And so that is our ministry. that's what our ministry is about, you know, basically deliverance. We harp on deliverance because it is very needed, especially in today's society. And so God has sent me into this earth to help people become what he has destined for them to be. Help them escape from hell's clutches into the kingdom of God. So that's basically what the ministry is about, getting people delivered and discipling them to obey Christ and become what God has called for them to be. Now in your book, In and Out, I have a copy of that here. So if you guys haven't read his book, and I'm gonna say those here in Kentucky, you may not have heard of him before, maybe you have. And if you did, why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you tell me about this man at his ministry? But he has this book, he has In and Out. which is walk -through deliverance and then maintaining your deliverance which is a 30 -day devotional and that's available on Amazon. Yes. So now I purchased on Kindle your book Up and Out and read about your testimony. Is there before I ask you the next question about an analogy that you made in there, do you want to share just a little bit any part of your testimony that you want to with that? Well I'll give you a brief synopsis of my testimony. I was molested as a child around about six or seven years old by someone that my family took in to help them and as they were helping him he began to help himself to me as a little child. He was much older than I and so as a result of that and you know just other occurrences within the family, a male that became a thing and I ended up getting into homosexuality. I was trying to hide it for quite some time and I never told anyone until I got grown and was out the house and my wife and her brother were the first persons that I've ever told my testimony to and so that began that moment when I began to share my testimony to my now wife and my brother-in -law that opened up a whole new candle where because I had never told anyone this was the secret that I had kept for a long time that I was dealing with homosexuality and I wanted to be free. I didn't know quite how that was going to happen and I ended up joining my wife's church. Her father and mother were pastors of the church that we currently pastor now and that's where my deliverance started coming out of homosexuality. And as a result of that, we have many people that come to our church for deliverance, not just for homosexuality, but anything that they've been struggling with, which birthed the up and out deliverance conference that we started in 2017, I believe. And as a result, I'm a free man, I'm married, I don't have same -sex attraction. That was lost over time as I continue to die to myself. God has sent me free. My children are free, you know, they don't have to deal with sexual perversion that runs in my bloodline. And so as a result, we are here to get people free. I love that. I love that you're preaching a message there that uh through the streamline media says it's not possible to have that kind of transformation and so you've encountered God you get not just free and delivered but also healed yes and transformed i love and i will say this takes time it was not an overnight thing and so there was a process and even in the process i did uh sin a few times going through my deliverance because when you've been a certain way a long time you still you know have the mindset until you are actually changed in your mind and renewed in your mind so it takes time it's not an overnight process and the goal is not to be heterosexual the goal is to be like christ a disciple of christ heterosexual is just a fruit of following christ do you think that's with any kind of bondage or lifestyle do you think that's the case like someone's that addicted to drugs the goal is not to be focused on the drugs but it's to be focused on Jesus the goal is to be focused on Jesus but so many people focus on the end goal which is wanting to be delivered and set free from that that that becomes an idol and Jesus is kind of moved off of the throne so if we teach people the goal is to become like christ to follow him and to be discipled the fruit of your deliverance is the result of following christ i love that i love that now you're one of the things i really enjoy about your ministry and your upfrontness about sin i mean you're not i've seen some of your messages from your church you're not easy on sin not any kind of sin and even when we were talking after i've talked with pastor jones you were like i'm not you know you checked out the ministry and you're you do You try to do due diligence and not Getting into any kind of error or anything like that and I could see that in your book and I appreciated that So in your book you give an analogy about let me see I'm gonna make sure a matador and a bull and I wanted you to when I read it I was like that is so insightful So could you just talk about that and how how that analogy relates to trauma and abuse? Well, the matter the matador is the bull killer his objective is to kill the bull and in Matador comes from the Spanish word Matt matar matar, which means to kill and so, you know if we don't Kill this bull that's a raging thing. That's trying to kill us. It will kill you And so the analogy is to you know We've got to kill that flesh, we've got to kill the flesh and we've got to be healed from the trauma because if we're not healed and if we don't kill that flesh, it will eventually kill us and deter us from our purpose. And so that's where the analogy of the matador and the bull comes from. It is this raging trauma that tries to overtake you. And you know, Satan, one thing that I tell our church is that Satan drives, Jesus leads. And so, you know, when we are driven by Satan, we get into things because, you know, we don't have a leader. We're basically leading ourselves and he's just driving us from behind. But with Jesus, he leads us. He leads us in the paths of righteousness for his namesake. And so the goal is to kill the bull, deal with our drama, and stop being taunted by the bull and let's just kill the bull. One thing I read was you were talking about the bull and then you said sometimes you felt like the matador and sometimes you felt like the bull. I think you were talking about dealing with anger and how that would come up. And so when you would see things like you're not being an angry person and then suddenly some strong emotion comes up like that, is that an indicator of work that needs to be done? Or what would you say to people that keep having behavioral issues that they don't wanna have? Well, that is something you have to submit to God. Once I found out, you know, that my anger hurts other people, not just me. I need to submit that to God and I need to ask God for help. He's not... offended by us asking for help. He's not offended because of things that we've gone through, but we have to cry out for help and ask the Lord Jesus Christ because the Word says he can be touched by the feelings of our infirmities, which means our weaknesses. And so I think we just need to have honest conversations with the Lord and, may I add, counseling to help deal with our trauma because, you know, after the homosexual piece was done, the anger was still there because of what was done to me. And so, you know, once the homosexual piece was gone, we got that under control. Now here comes the anger. What triggers you? Why are you still upset? Why are you still throwing things? Well, that's because, you know, there's some unresolved issues. The homosexuality piece was just the fruit of a big issue, which was rejection. You were looking for affirmation and love from your father. Although my father was there, he was a great man. But emotionally for me, he was really not there for me. And so that's what I was really looking for, looking for love and acceptance. And sometimes when you don't get that, the reverse happens, fruit of anger, rage. Because I feel like if you had protected me, if my mom and dad had to stay together, none of this would have happened. So all of these thoughts, which triggers, and anger is really just a fruit of fear. And so anger, you're just trying to protect yourself because you're free. That's basically what that is. I wanna ask you, if you had a difficult time dealing with wasted years, I know you're a musician into music and have a lot of giftings, but when I'm ministering to people, oftentimes they have, some of the sorrow is related to how much time was lost. And could you just speak into that and how to deal with that? Time being lost. Well, nothing is really lost because you have to understand Jesus is a redeemer of time and he can catch you up to what you think you've lost. And so that's my answer to that. And Jesus can redeem the time. Nothing is really lost. Jesus can redeem the time. That's my answer. That's a good answer. I told some of the people, they could leave some questions if they wanted to. I'm gonna check them here at the end of the broadcast. How has your healing from trauma helped others to be set free and get healed? You know, just being transparent. You know, as you know, you've already kind of stated that I'm very transparent. And I talk a lot about what I deal with. And... my trauma, my being healed from trauma. And guess what? I'm still being healed from some trauma. And so I'm bold enough to say that I'm still getting healed from trauma. There are yet things that still may trigger me. And so I don't have it all together. And so that's one of the reasons why I'm in counseling, but I'm bold enough to say it. I am yet being healed. I have been healed, but yet being healed from trauma. And so I think my honesty and transparency helps people break out of their box of shame to help them get healed. Since you mentioned shame, can you just speak into the, whether it's the process or even maybe some encounters with God that helped to deal with shame of the past or shame of any kind of mistake? What would you tell someone who has a lot of that? You know Jesus as I said earlier, he understands He can be touched by our infirmities. The Bible says he despised the shame You know, we talking about a man who comes from heaven to earth and on the cross is almost naked naked and brutally, you know beaten and He despised the shame because he knew the joy that was set before him And so, you know, it is a part of human nature there are things that we have done that we will be that we will be shamed that we've done and God is okay with that and he understands that but we have to be transparent enough I can't get away from that word. We have to be transparent enough with Jesus Christ. Hey, I'm dealing with this or Share with somebody else a trusted source. Hey, I'm dealing with this shame will be broken. Once you talk about it I think when we hold it and keep it as ours the more it intensifies our terror and so as we you know are open and honest Hey, I'm dealing with this but we have to have trusted people also who we can share these secrets with And that helps that helps that helps transparency helps secrets kill secrets kill transparency helps as A minister when someone tells you something, let's say that they're they're a little reticent about it to them It feels horribly shameful and they speak. How do you respond to them? I just want to talk to you for the ministers that are watching so that they don't hurt the people they're trying to help How's your response? What's your process of dealing with that? Great question my choice is full of people who have come to me in confidence and very shameful things. And I'll sit there and say, is that all? I said, so you were having a hard time telling me this? I said, is that all? And so that response right there, they're like, oh my God, you didn't judge me. You didn't put me down. You didn't throw me out the church. And I'm like, we've all done something. Who has been perfect? No one has a perfect record, but do you want to change? That is the question that needs to be asked. So you're telling me this, are you ready to do the work? Because it requires work to change. And so that's my response. I don't bash people over the head. I don't beat people over who are not ashamed to share their testimony and let people know, hey, I've been where you are. I've done some things as well. Jesus has forgiven me. He will surely forgive you. And so when we show compassion, what we have to understand is that deliverance is a ministry of compassion. If you don't have compassion, you might need to get out of ministry because that is a big part of ministry. Jesus had compassion on people and that's why they were healed. Amen. With that said, you have a course that's going on. You wrote the book about after deliverance. And so it's, well, before I wanna talk about that, because people can sign up that starts this week on Thursday nights, but what would you say is the number one piece, the number one reason why people don't walk out their deliverance, whether they go back or take things back on? I think it's a lack of teaching. People think that once I come to the altar, that's it. No, that's not it. The altar is just the beginning of your altering. And so you need something, you need teaching, you need discipleship after you come from the altar so you can transform your thinking because the devil will have a field day as soon as you leave the altar and you have no tools on how to change and how to implement change. And so I've developed a course entitled the Maintaining Your Deliverance Course. It is specifically for people, what do I do after deliverance? So this is a five week course that the Lord put upon me to do and it is to help people walk out their altered state. And so you can go to T .G. Gardner ministry. dot org and you can click the tab that says online course fill out the information once you fill out the information an automatic email will be sent to you that will give you all of the information that you need about the class and you can click that and you can register and class starts on this Thursday at 705 and so if you're interested and you think this is something that you need which you probably do go ahead and go to TG gardener ministries dot org TG gardener ministries dot org and you see it down on the flashing across the screen go ahead and fill out that information and an email will be sent to you soon as you fill out that contact information on the online course and get signed up today if you need the help go ahead and just invest in yourself. This is an investment in your spiritual walk with Christ. You will be discipled by me for five weeks. So sign up today. I agree with that. Sorry, I had dot com earlier. I think that's okay. If you go to ministry dot org. Okay, now I will say this. I'm encouraging anybody I know to start. I know it's a small, you try to keep a small class, but I'm planning on getting off here as soon as I can. I'm going to register for it. First of all, I like to walk into continual deliverance, but also, I want to learn what you have before actually ministering to other people. So I'm excited to get that and your ebook comes with it. Yes, I have a book that comes with the class and you will get a link also to the class and you can do this in the privacy of your own home. No one can see you. It's just you and me across the screen with other people that are online that you cannot see or don't know. And so it's very private, which, you know, as I told you earlier, Lisa, someone said that was very good for them because many people don't want people to know, you know, and so just to have that private space with themselves and myself teaching them principle is a very safe place. And so if you think this is for you, go ahead and register today. Okay, that's great. I have one last question I didn't tell you I was going to ask. So I mentioned to you, I do want to remind all of the viewers here tonight is the note burning celebration. Pastor Jones is going to be here. We're going to have a celebration. There's balloons in the sanctuary. We are now at debt free ministry, which is huge. So excited about that. So I want to know what the heart of your ministry is. Is it right in Dallas or outside of Dallas? It's right in Dallas. We are a few minutes, maybe about five minutes, ten minutes from downtown Dallas. So we're right in Dallas in the heart of Dallas. I drove through there and I felt like I was in a Jetsons TV show. We are, I don't remember where Christ for the Nations is. I don't. There's a, that's a Christian college. We're right around the corner from Christ for the Nation. Okay, all right. Well, what can they expect when they come into your church? You can expect to feel the presence of the Lord. We are a house that believes in the presence of God. We don't particularly look at the time. We let the Holy Spirit have his way, you know, just like yesterday. We ended up doing a harping bowl Instead of regular praise and worship. So harping bowl that was worship and prayer and then you know We just let the Lord have his way and then I went straight into altar call Then I preached altar call then offering then I preached and we let the people go and so these past few Sundays Since our apostolic confirmation ceremony It's like everything has heightened at our church And so the presence of the Lord has gotten stronger, you know It is nothing for me to not preach the Lord will say I don't want you to preach today We're gonna do altar call today. We're gonna pray for some people and then you're gonna be done. And so I Just follow the Lord whatever he wants. I'm always prepared to preach But it's his house. He knows what the people want I just want the people to experience God and that's what we are about at the way. I I have I've watched some of your services not enough, but I'm playing on it and your music is great I do know are you you're a musician. Are you a vocalist as well? Yes, I see I look for I wanted to hear you sing and I couldn't find one. How do I find that? Oh It's on there somewhere. I'm always singing at the church Especially yesterday, but I sing quite a bit at our church Okay, it's yesterday. I can check that out then no problem. Yes today's live will be shown today at 7 30 p .m So okay, we didn't actually go live yesterday We recorded so we can show it tonight at 7 30 p .m On our YouTube page the way fellowship church of Dallas you to page Okay, and you have a Facebook page as well for your ministry people can log on to there and Tg Gardner ministries on Facebook Okay And I'm on YouTube you can subscribe to my youtube channel Tg Gardner ministries and I'm on Instagram Tg Underscore Gardner on Instagram