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AF Uniform Changes: Eyelash Extensions, Combat Boots, and Flight Suits
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Military standards are shifting once again, and the Air Force community is buzzing with strong opinions. In this candid discussion, we unpack the recent changes to dress and appearance regulations that have many service members questioning both the what and the why behind these decisions.
The conversation dives deep into three major changes: the banning of eyelash extensions that were previously permitted, the requirement for all combat boots to measure 8-12 inches in height (eliminating popular low-quarter tactical-style options), and the mandate that all officers maintain at least one Operational Camouflage Pattern uniform. Our hosts break down each change from varying perspectives, exploring not just the practical implications but the deeper questions about military culture these modifications reveal.
What makes this episode particularly compelling is how it captures the tension between uniformity and self-expression in today's military. Female service members share how eyelash extensions allowed them to maintain femininity within uniform constraints, while discussions about flight suits expose unspoken hierarchies between career fields. The passionate debate around religious accommodations for beards further illuminates questions about consistency in standards and what types of exceptions truly make sense.
The conversation doesn't shy away from tough questions: Are these changes addressing real readiness concerns? Why does the pendulum of military standards swing so dramatically between administrations? And perhaps most importantly, how should changes to long-standing norms be communicated to maintain trust and buy-in from those affected?
Whether you're currently serving, a veteran, or simply interested in military culture, this episode provides a fascinating window into how seemingly small uniform changes reflect much larger questions about identity, leadership, and what it means to serve in today's armed forces. Join us as we navigate these waters with honesty, humor, and respect for differing viewpoints.
What changes do you think truly impact military effectiveness? Share your thoughts in the comments or visit streamlabs.com/unpopularcelebrities3/tip to support more conversations like this one.
Show Introduction and Catch Up
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Speaker 2Okay, we good, we good, we can move on. All right, moving on. Good morning everybody. Ladies and gentlemen, peace, along with Jessica Player in the place in this dirt bag, to your right or left or your upper right screen, pete, and then also you have Dale Brown out there handling his business. We are your unpopular celebrities. It's good to be with each and every one of you live this Sunday morning. Well, we got a lot of bombs to drop for y'all, a lot of stuff we're going to talk about, and it's good to see y'all, because I know y'all got a lot of stuff to say About what we're going to talk about. But before we do, let's drop the disclaimer.
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Speaker 2Take heed. Take heed For all you people out there who's listening, who might be trolling our pages. Yo, this is just our thoughts 't reflect the dod and nothing like that. Don't get your feelings hurt, you know. I'm saying just start wrong. Anyway, let's pass, let's move on. Jessica, tell us how you doing, how's everything?
Speaker 1happy self-care sunday y'all. Well, I'm doing great. This week we actually completed I'm gonna go back just a little bit the 57th national convention for delta, sigma theta sorority incorporated. So you know he had that deep red sea today. Well, it ended today, but I will mostly say like it was a great experience, virtual. I know my sorors had an amazing time in person, but just the stuff that you know, the gems that they were dropping, all the guest speakers that attended it really fulfilled my soul and I'm sure it really overextended in the people that was there.
Speaker 1Then, back back a little bit, I had the pleasure of going to the Essence Festival. You know you saw the reviews online and what people thought about it, but me and my friend had an amazing time. When I tell you like, from the food to the fashion, um, just to the music, it was like a whole vibe. But you do have to learn to give grace and space in those environments and I think you know logistically there were a lot of issues there. I know y'all saw like lauren, somebody was like, well, this time it wasn't her fault. No, it wasn't her fault. The temperature there, the heat, that humidity, I ain't gonna lie, you know your girl already be glistening, but I did have a fan. I got put on by the Lehan fans. The food was amazing. It was so amazing that we wanted to double back and go get some more oysters, but other than that, I've been good. You know, we talked about employment and we'll talk about that a little bit more.
Speaker 1I have decided that this will be my last year with JROTC and that's what made me venture out into the people's player. So I did. Finally, you know, release, slowly but surely. I'm really excited about it. I got a lot of people um me with grace prayers and I'm so supportive of some of them, like dion taylor, um brian johnson, uh clester jett, like andy gilbert, but I am being uplifted in the right and, of course, with my unpopular celebrities, um family. I just think now is the time, especially like applying to different jobs and it'd be like, unfortunately, we have decided to go with another candidate. I was like, oh my God, like all these no's. But you know what I learned today during our church service that you know when people say no, that's just God telling you to go. And that's what I've decided to do with the people's player. It's not going to be your typical thing. I do believe in problem solving and critical thinking and things that AI can deliver, which is creativity. So you all will continue to see more from me, but other than that, I'm ready for these kids to go back to school.
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Speaker 3That was a good wrap-up.
Speaker 1Good wrap-up A lot going on Get to the point, don't go for a misinterpretation. And let me do this. Steven Bruner, stay off my line. He talking about when you're hungry, you know what? But yes, sir, I am going to eat All right. All right Shots fired, all right.
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Speaker 2Yes, I just want to do a quick. I saw two Cs. I saw your story on your Facebook Live about your thunderstorm and your city and how it affects your electronics. That hit me to my soul. Man, I have a ton of electronics. I just can't imagine something like that happening in a Fry's TV or a ton of electronics. I just can't imagine like something like that happening uh, it fries the tv or a couple of playstations. So many prayers to you that just get your stuff replaced quickly. Your insurance company takes care of their business.
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Speaker 3For sure.
Speaker 2Okay. So let's not belabor, let's get into it, jessica, what you want to pass on to the people today.
Speaker 3She's still eating. She's still eating. I'll tell you what?
Speaker 2All right, I'll tell you what Don't do that?
Speaker 1So which one? I need to go and drop it in the chat. So I'm going to go drop it in the chat, but those of you that are looking to transition or have transitioned, I'm going to drop some upcoming things that I think are important for you all to know. I do believe that sharing is caring, and please know that I'm not an ambassador of any of the information that I share with you all, but I just think all of the information will be helpful for us. Amazon is getting ready Not Amazon, please. Verizon is getting ready to have what they call a national hiring day on July 25th, but in order for you to be considered, you need to attend one of their webinars, and the next one will be July 24th. So I will drop all of that in the chat right now. Thank you, that's what's up. Shout out to Amber.
Speaker 2Oh yeah.
Speaker 3I'll let you eat. I'll let you eat. I see, every time I'm about to talk to you, you're about to eat something.
Speaker 2Hey. So you know what? Let's just get right into it, man, let's talk about it, man, okay. So if you guys haven't been following all week, you know the latest bombshell that was dropped upon us, fellow air force members outside of folks, folks who've retired shout out to Jessica, she's retired now. She don't have to worry about that stuff, but she feel it though. But anyway, as you know, there was a couple of dressing appearance changes. What's up? Chad In the building, congrats for taking your command chief job out there. Eglin man, good, shout out, good job, boy. Anyway, a lot of dressing, the parents standard. So I just want to talk about it.
Speaker 2So, before we get into it, let's talk about some of the changes, shall we? Number one eyelash extensions are now kaput, gone. No more eyelash extensions. Take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off, take them off. And then the boots, which hurt my soul. They got to be at least 8 to 12 inches. Yes, no more low quarter boots, no more Nike SB. Look like sneaker boots. They got to be combat boots, ladies and gentlemen. So that's now gone. And then also you have. What am I missing? What was?
Speaker 3that, oh yeah, oh, I want to really talk about this one.
Speaker 2All officers must maintain one operational camouflage pattern uniform.
Speaker 3Camouflage OCP.
Speaker 2What the duck does that mean I thought we already had? Am I wrong? I thought we already had to maintain one right?
Speaker 3what?
Speaker 2makes it any different than your officer. What? Okay, all right, I'll pause there.
Speaker 3No, I'll start. I'll kick it off with that um, I don't know what that has to do with flight suits or what, but it's like, why wouldn't you have a uniform? Like whether you went to the Air Force Academy, rotc. What's the other one? Is it ROTC? Whatever the heck it is, you have a uniform. You got issued a uniform. I don't know why you don't have them.
Speaker 2I'm lost on that one that came out of left field, really left field I'm laughing because when I saw that I was like what the duck does that mean? Like I get it. Like I've had. I've worked for previous commanders who are pilots who wore a flight suit the majority of the time right, and I've always had airmen come up to me and say, you know, in one of these lunch meetings or something, say anybody got any questions. I always, always want Chief question.
Disclaimer and Personal Updates
Speaker 2If we talk about the importance of the wear of uniform and such, how come the commander never wears his OCP? He always wear a flight suit. You know, my boss, I'm like, hey, it's an authorized uniform, he can wear it. But Chief, he's a pilot but he's not flying. Why can't he wear an OCP uniform like us? Does he even have one? So shout out to Colonel Scott Mills, who just relinquished command over at Davis Market, one of my favorite commanders. He would always wear his ocp uniforms and only time he wore his flight suit he was flying on tuesdays and so that set the pace for the whole wing. This shows that, like this flight suit was a utility uniform and he only wore it for functionality, not every single day. So when I saw this piece about officers must maintain one OCP uniform unless you are flying, unless you're doing an activity that requires you to use your utility uniform that you were issued, then I'll be like you know what. Spot on, I'll pause there.
Speaker 3Yeah, I agree. First of all, thanks Money, mike, whoever you are, for the donation going to the Streamlabs on PopularCepopular celebrity three slash tips. We appreciate that we're going away from the stars but although we appreciate all the stars that's been coming in, going away from those, I'm going to the tips. But, uh, appreciate that. Um, I'm trying to figure out where this officer has to wear. Ocp thing came from Like some context would have been nice and maybe just because I'm just trying to be nosy, but I don't understand where that came from. Most of the world's problems come from folks not minding their business. Okay, nicky.
Speaker 2Well, two things. There was a note from Chief Madison, air Force Flossie that said the reason why the changes came about was feedback from standards, readiness reviews and from airmen in the field, which gives me the impression there was some airmen that said why aren't officers wearing their OCP uniform? And, if I'm mistaken, this seems to be really centered towards pilots. Mistaken, this seems to be really centered towards pilots. My boss, exactly my boss is not a pilot, so he's going to wear OCP uniform or summer weights. But if your boss is a pilot, or wing commander is a pilot, they're wearing flight suits 90% of the time and they're not flying. They're not flying every day. And to the folks that said well, how do you know they may have to fly at a moment's notice that day? Well, it's a bad day, yeah yeah, gotta go rush out and get in the plane.
Speaker 2That's a bad day. All right, great Reach out and stuff.
Speaker 3What I can say is during our SRR we learned many officers did not have the regular OCP uniform. They either had a flight suit or flight suit OCP top and bottom. The report proved many did not have during the inspection.
Speaker 2He talks to, he talks to big facts, hmm, Okay, that's interesting comment.
Speaker 3Okay, explain that, because maybe I'm losing it. I think what? And?
Speaker 2Shea, correct me if I'm wrong. I think what she's trying to say is that she questions whether Chief Master of the Air Force Flossie actually talks to airmen in the field, versus gather comments from others.
Speaker 3Shea, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, because if that's the case, I wouldn't think he don't talk to any airmen in the field Interesting.
Speaker 2Nicky says they earned the right to wear a flight suit. So let's unpack that real quick, because let's see A lot coming in. John Becker says how many more pilots are there versus non-pilots in air force. So was this a pilot issue or officer issue? I would think mostly a great.
Speaker 1I'm sorry, just go ahead no, I was going to say I appreciate his statement because I think it was. It's probably it's an officer issue but based off of that officer issue, it's a pilot versus non-pilot.
Speaker 2Yes, perfect, I like that.
Speaker 3Thank you, Spalding. We'll get to the boots in a minute. I'm not going to put your comment up now, but I'll save it. Go ahead, Philly.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was going to say that. It's interesting. It seems like the majority oh yeah, nikki's, that's right, perfect, thank you. So, nikki, I agree with you. You can say the same thing about defenders, right, we earned the right to wear a beret.
Speaker 2But there's a difference. The beret is part of your uniform. Where's your flight suit? If I'm wrong somebody correct me it is used for flying. It's a purpose uniform for flying. So should Ellie only wear berets on patrol? I don't know, I think that's a little bit different. I was respectfully disagree.
Speaker 2Only thing I'm trying to say about flight suits is that your flight suit key flight suit is used for being in an aircraft no different than you have like, say, a um. What's the career field the folks that um load masters, right, they wear flight suits. Even defenders, right, who are ravens, they wore flight suits. When they wore flight suits when they flew in a plane to protect the aircraft, when they left the aircraft and they were working day to day, they wore OCPs. And for those flight chiefs or commanders who didn't make them do it, they were wrong for doing that. Chad, thank you, chad. Missiles, wear a flight suit too. Also, the flight does, I got it. Flight docs, I got it. But here's my argument. Also, the flight does, I got it. Flight docs I got it. But here's my argument Is the flight suit a utility uniform or not?
Speaker 3I don't think it is. I thought it was just for flying.
Speaker 2I guess what I mean by utility is it's for function. There's a purpose for a flight suit, right, right, so that's why I'm. I guess that's why I'm getting that. Flight suits are like coveralls for maintenance airmen. But do maintenance airmen wear coveralls 24 hours a day, seven days a week?
Speaker 3no, that I equate that to like uh, security forces and their combat tees. Right, they have combat tees while they're work and then whenever you're leaving, you're not working. You got to put your OCP top back on, so I equate that to that.
Speaker 1I remember being admin in VIOPS and at the time I had Chief Theodore Graves who made me perform with the VOCA operators at that time and we would switch into the coveralls when we were out there, versus when you came to work in your BDUs and then you changed when you got there and then when it was time to leave you put back on your BDUs.
Speaker 3Yeah. So I think the question is really not really if it's allowed or not allowed, or if they earned the right or didn't earn the right. I think on a day to day where they need to be wearing OCPs regular APHIS issued OCPs or whatever it's called OCPs that they get DAFI, dafs or whatever they're called OCPs that you buy from clothing sales and then when you're flying or you're, you know, like maintenance people are out there working on jets, they get to wear their coveralls. When security forces out there doing security forces crap, they're out there wearing their combat tees. That's what I think to chad's point if there's a srr and the commander is saying we're doing an srr and ocps unless he gave the option for flight suits, I think everybody should have them. I really think that. I already thought that was in the regulation that you have to have one service pair of OCP. That's what I thought. That's where I'm lost at why did this have to come out?
Speaker 2Why does it even have to be put into? Maybe it's something I'm missing. Maybe it's not in the AFI chances team. Do you all think we should go to blues for all who work in a no no team? Do you all think we should go to Blues for All who work in a no?
Speaker 1No, no, no.
Speaker 2Nikki, let's see. Elijah says Nikki and B, I think you should keep your beret on if you're wearing a ball cap on LE. Depending on your base also, where I'm at, it gets 120 degrees outside. So, elijah, I'm a play devil's advocate, because I heard that argument too when I was at DM. What's wrong with the patrol cap? Shay says. I don't personally think it was a big deal in relation to OCP and flight suits. However, it only said to maintain a set.
Speaker 3That's where I'm getting at.
Speaker 2Thank you, shay, that's where I'm getting at what you mean maintain a set. What does that mean? How is wearing the flight suit affecting anything.
Speaker 3Why do we care so many other issues.
Speaker 1I agree with that. That's my point, because that's what I was going to say about them. Lashes girl.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, we'll get on that too.
Speaker 1We'll get on that too.
Speaker 3But I agree with you, Nicky, Like I don't see the point for even putting that out. It's a waste of black ink on paper the way I look at it, Like you're really trying to take commanding away from commanders.
Speaker 2I respectfully disagree, but I'm sorry, I'll let you finish your point that's really.
Speaker 3That's really it. We'll see what jake sergeant said. Uh, they need to bring back the other blues pants that didn't go with the jacket. What other blues pants, I don't remember those.
Speaker 2I don't think they're gone. I think he's talking about the polyester blend one oh, okay, because you have your wool and you have your polyester. You wear your your polyester, but you don't wear it with your service coat.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's like a thinner. To Chad's point, I think I agree. Maintain a set for when we have an OCP uniform inspection. I think that's a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2Two points real quick.
Speaker 3Hold on, sorry, no, go ahead, get your points out. Two points real quick.
Speaker 2Two points real quick. So I don't think it's a waste of ink. I do think it says something. When you mandate that a commander maintains a set of OCP uniforms, it's the same thing you expect your airmen to do, so you should do the same exact thing. The missed opportunity is they should have said you will only wear your flight suit when you are flying, when it's functional. There's something about a commander wearing the same type of uniform his troops are wearing. It's not going to kill you If you're not flying that day, wear your freaking OCP uniform. What's the big deal? And when we say it's much more issues to worry about, we can go on all day about issues, but you got to start somewhere and this is one place. I just think this was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 3What was the opportunity that was missed?
Speaker 2They should have said you will wear your OCP uniform unless you are performing a job or task that requires you to wear a specialty uniform. Your firemen are different Firemen. If you're working in a firehouse and you have to respond, you've got to be ready at all times. What does that say? That for pilots, Unless you're in a deployed area tactical area yes, you may have to go get out in a jet, but if you're in a garrison and you're not scheduled to fly that day, why can't you wear an OCP uniform? And let's be honest, there are some people in flight suits that don't look that great.
Speaker 3Okay, All right, I'm just being honest, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 2Officer enlisted included. They don't look that great. Whoa, I mean they're busting out everywhere.
Speaker 3That was wild, that was wild. And then I just love the different the different things that happen.
Speaker 2You can if you're not a real pilot, if you don't have your zipper halfway up or down or you've got to roll your sleeve. There's those little different intricacies about wearing a flight suit, anyway.
Speaker 3Let's get to these comments because we're starting to lose control. Flight suits are worn by pilots, navigators, combat system operators, rpa crew and missile crew while performing their direct support for flying missile duties. If they are not performing the above, put on them, damn OCPs. That's what I said. Exactly Spalding said to you the patrol cap? I can see. I do not think if we wear a ball cap, we should have something distinguished us as FS. Sf Can't even get those out. I'm not a fan. I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of ball caps.
Flight Suits and Officer Uniform Standards
Speaker 2I think they need to go away. Personally. Another subject I'm not a fan of ball caps. Shay said there's a brief I do with my officers. His words matter because they place words in places for a reason. I personally think it's comments from Airman and CO Page because circling back, I haven't heard of him engaging with Airman. You know what, shay, let me just say something real quick. This is really important. I saw I was trying to remember the page. It was either Power of Nine or it was Leadership University.
Speaker 2Somebody I can't remember his name came out and said we need to do better as leaders. Stop. I see all these people criticizing the Chief Master Sergeant Air Force for his changes. We need to do a better job of supporting stuff. Let me tell you this when you're in a position of leadership, you're going to have people question, in some cases, some of the decisions you make Right. In some cases, some of the decisions you make Right, and the way you respond is so important.
Speaker 2Now I'm not going to outright and say you know, chief Mass Air Force should die or he should be fired. I think that's disrespectful, but I think as a person that he is expected to heed. I do have a right to say respectfully I don't know about the direction we're going to Now. I'm not going to tell people to outright don't follow the rules or regulations. That's coming from his office. But I do think I have a right respectfully, as a leader, to say either I agree or disagree and provide other options. And if he said we're not doing that cool salute smartly and move on. But that doesn't mean I agree with it. And I think that's what Shea is saying.
Speaker 3I agree too, and Shea keeps saying that he's not connecting with airmen or engaging with airmen. I think he's engaging with airmen differently than the last two chief mass sergeants of the Air Force, completely differently. So I wouldn't say he's not engaging at all. It's just not the engagement that the other two were doing beforehand. Um, a lot of people are saying I'm not gonna read this whole thing, but a lot of people are basically saying there are bigger things to worry about. Y'all let us know what you think. Are there bigger things we should be worried about? And put a couple of those ideas in there that you guys think that there are bigger ideas or bigger things to worry about.
Speaker 1I'll say this as a veteran, I think, and then loosely because I'm JROTC and I still have to wear the uniform, and we've been talking as JROTC instructors about some of the changes and how to implement them in our schools. Obviously, we have a little more wiggle room than you all do, but I think some of the things that we do have to be mindful of is that and, pete, this is to your point you know you all have Chief Master, sergeant of the Air Force, philosophy, but the last two, whether or not you liked how they moved, they, in my perception, they utilize people-centered leadership and a lot of people don't, um, feel that connection with him like our last two. So I think, when people start to pull back the layers because I've seen some of the memes, um, but those are the two things that you gotta actually say like, to a degree, they exercise people, like the people leadership. So now people are not used or accustomed to someone coming in and it's the purpose over you. And it takes me back to the PME days, when you have to understand the principle, purpose. And then people, because then you're like, why are people last? It's not that people are necessarily last, but then I want to go to Shay's point, it's in order for my people to move along with me with this change, I do have to consider things that are going to impact my people, and maybe that is the aspect that he may be missing.
Speaker 1Like, I understand your principle what you have to actually do but when it comes to your purpose, have you implemented the thoughts and I'm not going to say feelings, because when we get to the lashes I'll emphasize more on that but I think that's the piece he's missing. Is he not and this is me, because I'm not in Is he not surrounded by a team who is not scared to give added value feedback at this time, to give him added value feedback at this time, and with that team giving him added feedback that is of value? Has he positioned himself in a position to pivot and be like hey, I didn't in a humility aspect, I didn't think about that necessarily. Thank you all for this feedback. How like s? How can I incorporate the feedback that you all are receiving from your environments? And I don't know him, but those are the things that goes through my mind, like how is he being surrounded? How is he being provided feedback constructively, that it's considered added value?
Speaker 3I agree to all those points. A couple of things that came in. Let me go to Tony Renenee. What's up, tony renee? Everyone was issued whatever you utility uniform. There's no reason we all don't have at least one. That's why I don't understand. That's why I say it's a waste of pen and paper. Uh, everyone should have a service uniform, regardless enlisted officer. I love the ball caps. I did have to have 10 size patrol caps for my different hair. That's crazy.
Speaker 1Uh, that's what I call being a female servicer, okay uh, officers just need to follow the rules.
Speaker 3Let's move to these lashes, because I have to figure out clusters versus extensions. I don't the difference either, but we'll get to that in a second. We got to get to all these comments. Oh, this is a long one.
Speaker 2I am not defending I'm sorry, Jess, go ahead.
Speaker 1Okay, it says I'm not defending the chief of staff of the Air Force or chief master sergeant of the Air Force decision on these changes. What I see is a secretary of defense who is creating a new culture across the whole DOD and there are a lot of changes coming down and changing some of the cultures and he has to carry the water on the stone.
Speaker 3The. The end of it is some of the cultures and he has to carry the water or the some of the unpopular changes, for instance, a DOD standard PT test across the board. Sorry, it all didn't fit in there. Tony Bostic had a long one too, thanks. We are continuing to let social media sites to dictate the cry babies without holding them accountable. Our foundations is something to worry about. We soon forget how we arrived where we are, removing the requirements and understandings of our history, moving the accountability from small things while promoting weak humans who are afraid to enforce the standards.
Speaker 1Okay, you get me.
Speaker 3Okay, tony Bostic In the building, y'all. The Gooch has entered the chat. We Cubans is crazy.
Speaker 1Look, every time I think about Tony, I always go back to that Key and Peele skit where you had the two sides Right, tony coming in for the kill. So y'all better buckle up, tony. I always go back to that key and peel skit where you hit the two sides Right. Tony, coming in for the kill Y'all.
Speaker 3better buckle up your seatbelts. Weak humans is wild.
Speaker 2Alright, let's put a cap on the officer flight. The only thing I will say, lastly, is I don't again. I don't think it's a waste of ink. I do agree with you it's a waste of ink that we have to put it in an afi that's probably what you're saying.
Speaker 2Yes, if that's case, then I agree 100. It should be expected for them to have an ocp uniform, them being officers. But again, missed opportunity. Make them wear the damn ocp uniform if they're not flying. At least three to four times. A least three to four times a week. Three to five times a week, guys, yeah, please, okay, moving on Eyelashes.
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Speaker 3Culture starts with the flyers.
Speaker 2Man On point. I love that. I agree. Air Force pilots.
Speaker 3Absolutely. I think they were concerning oh, my goodness. I think they were concerning, emma, about culture thinking, critical thinking, thank you, when we open up nail colors. We have charted charts that give examples of what's acceptable. A lot of feedback. I'm not gonna read all this because I'm struggling right now.
Speaker 2I can't see it says uh, it says a lot of this. Feedback the chief master, air force decisive or decisions comes from people who couldn't handle the responsibility to apply, to apply the standard that required to the exercise judgment and make a decision, agree with it, to cheap mass. On air force philosophy's defense, people have not done a great job enforcing what is in black and white. So we have to make it clear. And nothing against my army brothers and sisters, but when I went through training they said it was army proof because they put the little characters in there in the training books to show you how to do stuff. That's what they're trying to do now. They're like yo, look at this picture, look at this arrow, this is not in standard, but they still don't enforce it. So I agree, need to get you some bcgs. I'll just borrow yours. Can I just borrow yours?
Speaker 3Can I just borrow yours? I'll take yours. I appreciate that Big old people are afraid to make required corrections. Burden them, okay. All right, all right, go ahead. Eyelashes, move on. Eyelashes, eyelashes, eyelashes.
Speaker 1So, eyelashes, since we just and I'm not going to lie, I'm a fan of lash extensions only because, you know, good old Jess Elise Sr told me that mascara was bat poop. So I was like, oh my God, hey, I was like we can stop putting bat poop on my eyes and figure out what these eyelash extensions are. So, going to Charles, chuck, so, chuck D, chuck D, hey, happy Sunday, sir. The clusters so I find I don't even know why you would resort to clusters. But oh, look at it all. But the clusters go underneath the eyelid, so it's not attached to your actual eye, the lash itself, so it's kind of like they're glued to your, your eyeline or your lash lid, but then I'm just like they're still lashes. So it's the semantic. So, going to my homegirl, shay, she's right, words have meaning. So when you're putting this in here I don't know, because I haven't looked at it, because I'm still on vacation, but has it, is it explicitly stating that they cannot have eyelash extensions? Because then you do have airmen that are going to be out there, and I'm talking about big airmen who are going to say, well, hey, you don't. You didn't mention clusters, so clusters is another. Hey, you know how we are. I mean, if you ain't telling me, I've always said if it ain't on paper it's vapor. So you are allowing me to exercise and utilize, because you left room for misinterpretation, but I interpreted this way.
Speaker 1So, going back to the comments about critical thinking, I'm all for it. You know, as leaders, sometimes we forget and shout out to Mike Peratt, because we had a good session on Friday talking about paradoxical thinking. As a leader, you got to understand how to exercise justice and grace at the same time and a lot of people in uniform have not learned how to do that. Like, if you have the standards that need to be employed or enforced, you got to figure out a way how to fix yourself with those first in order to go and correct somebody else.
Speaker 1But when you think about the baby here, so shout out to my other hometown hero, marcus, who's now serving in the Navy. He's getting ready to retire we were talking about because I was messing with him. I was like yo, the Navy, be out there pushing. I let pushing their baby edges all the way out there. He was like jess, let me show you these pictures. So he, he sent me some pictures of females with the, the baby hair like hold on. I don't even know them like they come all the way out here, right, right right, baby.
Speaker 1I was like, and I'm baby y'all Get that toothbrush, brush it down with your little you know, with your little nice pomade or that gel. I use gummy, but when you use, you know you have a hair in here. But when you get that gummy with that toothbrush and then I go back with my comb and just you know swipe. But I'm just like who's taking all of that to my eyebrow? Because first of all I need that eyebrow to pop. I don't want no baby hair on my eyebrow. But again it goes back to standards, like who are who has been in place where we haven't allowed it. And I even like the AFI when it's stated like, hey, you are only allowed so many inches when it came to the eyelash extension. Because, as a, as a female that does wear them, you've got to be realistic. If you already have natural lashes that are long, why are you getting 12 and 14s and 16s Like? And then, if you're like me, you wear glasses. Babe, I know them lashes be pushing on them limbs.
Speaker 1Be cleaning the limbs like when she'll wipe so this is like I'm for eyelashes, don't get me wrong, but you gotta, we didn't do a good job in showcasing how they should look natural, like. You have three types and my, my girls that are in the comments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you got classic. You got hybrid, which is the in-between between a lot of volume and classic, but then you got volume. When you're wearing a uniform, baby, just stay in classic. Some of us was out here bumping like two layers of extensions on one, looking like and I love don't get me wrong padla bell doing the essence when your lashes are so heavy you can't even see your eyes. So they looking like windshield wipers. Again, we did not just do a good job, so it's like damn, now it's gone away shea.
Speaker 3That's interesting and we'll get to it. But you disagree with the eyelashes but agree with the boots. Interesting, interesting, um. So a couple things with the lashes, from coming from a guy perspective. Right, I don't understand it. I don't know about the lashes things and what they do for you or what they don't do for you, how I don't know if it makes you look more feminine. I don't understand it. To the fact of why do you need eyelash extensions? Don't understand it.
Speaker 1I would say it's not a need, but kind of going back to like if you're a female who cares about her, and this is it's subjective again. So it's subjective based off of if you're a female serving how you want to look, I truly believe in how you look, boost your self-esteem, because that's why it's called self-esteem and self-confidence. But if most of the time, lash extensions just cuts down your time on doing your eyes, a lot of women like to wake up, wash their face. They ain't got to worry about putting on no mascara. But again, pete, we have done it in excess, like we have done it where it does not really compliment your face. It doesn't compliment the uniform, obviously, because they've taken away, but it's just. It's different for everybody. That's why I say it's subjective. So, because it was subjective, even given the specific guidelines that they gave it, some people still went out of those guidelines.
Speaker 3So we like to just be able to get up in the morning, wash and brush them and keep it moving. Okay, we want to remain female parents in uniform. Don't need makeup with lashes.
Speaker 2So I think that's part of the thing too. I saw a post actually from a father of his, you know, his daughter was in the military, in the Air Force, and he said, which was interesting, he said taking away the eyelashes. I think the whole point of why he feels women want to have it is to differentiate themselves from, you know, being a woman and being in the military, because a lot of the rules and regulations outside, you know, the normal, like the bulk in here, is longer for females and you can wear, you know, uh, nail tips, not without the colors anymore, obviously, but they said, okay, the eyelashes helps them feel more like a female in the uniform. Anyway, I'll pause. There's a lot of comments.
Speaker 3Yeah, a lot of comments coming in. Sharma said yo fam. The lashes were so embellished. I saw the writing on the wall somewhere beyond natural Correct.
Speaker 2That's perfect, because I think somebody mentioned it earlier, I can't remember, but it's a good example of the standard was fine, but people were just taking it way beyond, and then it was like it became a problem. It's almost like somebody doing something wrong. You punish everybody. So then the same can be said about beers.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was just about to say hey, if you want to say the writing on the wall I'm not a, I don't have a crystal ball but if you want to say the writing on the wall, then beer's coming off, Then beer's is coming off.
Speaker 2Do we dare jump? It's like this, like double dutch. Do we jump in a rope or not?
Speaker 1because, like he just said, the writing is on the wall and I, like the last week, should show it's gonna be by any means necessary.
Speaker 3So either you're on board or you don't it's almost like it's a test, like because my big thing is like I never thought about eyelashes. I might see one or two people a month that I'll be like dang, your eyelashes look crazy, but that's it, and then I walk past it, I forget all about it. I've never looked at somebody and be like man, your eyelashes are so far out of regs like I can't even talk to you, like never thought about that, and so I think I'm back to the uh whole thing about officers. I don't even know where this came from. Like that's where I'm lost at. Did somebody just walk by a couple of night? I don't like how that looks. Let me call my boy. His name. Might rhyme with flossy and be like hey man, do you think we could change this? And he's like yeah, bro, let's go ahead and change it.
Speaker 1It's not my. My son is 16 and he brought like we were talking on the car ride and he follows politics loosely. But he was like hey, mom, I saw it on. What is it? Tiktok talking about the lashes and stuff? But he started to dig deeper. He was like is it true, tock talking about the lashes and stuff? But he started to dig deeper. He was like is it true?
Speaker 1But he said I found out that the secretary of defense doesn't really prefer females to serve. So then he started to look at it. He was like you know you? He was like mom, I'm just torn because I know you and my aunties. They have served in the military.
Speaker 1But he said did you feel that you were not lethal while serving in the military? Because you know, kids are forming their own opinions now. So he was like are all of these changes that are going on in all the military branches is to make sure that you all are lethal? He was like have you never been lethal? I said, ty, we have been lethal.
Speaker 1But I said everybody is subjective their perspective on how lethality is supposed to be employed in these branches. But then I told him, I said think about it. I said go back. Like I told you, I always go back to the the branches when women first came in. When women first came in, again, they were not considered when it came to certain standards. Therefore, by them being present, their service was able to show like, hey, we can't treat females like we treat the males, and it's always.
Speaker 1I don't want to get in no debate about the gender, but again, it did start somewhere. When you talk about Esther Blake, who was the first female who served, then you hear about Grace Peterson, who was the first female chief master sergeant. Those women are vital to our history and I think Tony said it is like we never go back to see like what we have been through and how we got here. We got here because of somebody. They wanted to be recognized, and I'm not talking about being recognized for like what you look like like, but just be included in the decision making when it came to standards right, let me get to all these comments, because there's a lot of thought flying in.
Speaker 3Okay, boom, let's just be honest, people pushing the envelope. At the end of the day, standards matter, no matter how big or small, uniformity matters. The standard is higher, it always will be. We are American ambassadors. Okay, fly, fight, win. Now that? Oh, now I don't wear extensions, so, again, not affecting me. I glam on weekends and that's my question Like, were girls girls, because girls mostly wear, um, these extensions? I would hope.
Speaker 1I would think uh, no, you're making a generalized statement.
Speaker 3I am I am so the probability might be higher that women are wearing these more than men. Uh, were y'all getting these done on like friday morning or thursday night? Be like, I'm going out to the club on friday or wherever you're gonna go, got a date on friday. I didn't got time after work to go get them done, so I'm gonna get third done thursday and come to work on friday. I just don't. I just really lost on how this happened.
Speaker 1Now you're making me think about the sisters that probably served. They had them fresh French rolls, right right. Her ponytails Right Coming.
Speaker 3Monday, looking fresh as hell, like, oh, you went out this weekend, I got it. I got it, you was outside, I got it. All right, let me get to these other comments. The issue is that all folks were walking around with these 16 millimeter and 18 millimeter volume lashes and when you are correct them, they look surprised Again the 14 millimeter. And that's the bad thing. You try to correct somebody say they look crazy. But what you mean? And they have no idea. And then they go back to the ring. Well, it's not in the ring.
Speaker 1Even to this point 14 is still long.
Speaker 3See, I don't even know what that looked like. Waivers were. No, it's not expected to. Talking about the beards, these religious beard waivers have to go. Beards are a lost point for that. So all right, Wait, can I get to all these comments? There's like eight of them.
Speaker 2All right, if Wait, can I?
Speaker 3get to all these comments. There's like eight of them. All right, if we're pushing the envelope on simple things, we have to ask ourselves about the big things. Very true, my boy Farrar, they are already off. The process and algorithm to get new beards is crazy. Or to get new waivers, excuse me, is crazy.
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 3What happened was it was in writing in the DAFI that people can wear lashes. It's been a target since it's been written because, as a woman, who have maintained their ear to the ground have heard these complaints since 2021. Okay, fair, fair, fair, fair. Now, chief, was going to get us taxed. What, chief? How are you going to get us taxed?
Eyelash Extensions Ban Discussion
Speaker 2I was trying to get people to vote, if they agree, disagree or agnostic.
Speaker 3I think there's a ton of things to discuss Around the amount of changes. Some changes were Perceived to be far Now swinging the other way. True, true, trying to move that pendulum. Last extensions last up to 40 to 60 days. Last strips can be taken off the same evening. I don't even know what that means, but okay, I am trying to see about the man waver. Next, the man waver, man weave, oh, man weave, I'm sorry. Next, can we talk about the clear ear pieces, if I authorize them to, for ears, not eyebrows, lips, tongues, nose, nipples. Again, writing is clear. People don't want to follow a specific specificity of it. Then couple with the folks. I can't read the rest of it, I'm sorry. Last extensions OK, we talk about last since. All right, we're done. I can't read the rest of it, I'm sorry. Last extensions Okay, we talked about last extensions. All right, we're done. I got all of them. Do we want to go to the beer? I know you want to say something about these religious beers never going away.
Speaker 2Okay, I just I wanted to quickly say there was a comment made about it's related to the last comment, excuse White about religious beards not going away. And there are some people who say like, ok, chad I remember Chad said we are America's ambassadors, our standards at home, we are held to a higher standard. That's connected to what Thomas White said about religious beards and here's why, when we all signed into the military, can we all say unless you were open, general, I was bamboozled and hoodwinked because I thought open general was going to give me a medical job Outside of that. They told me when I came in I had to cut off my high top fade. I couldn't wear my name earring. I had to have a certain look in uniform, my name earring, I had to have a certain look in uniform. My uniform had to be worn a certain way, you know, never half inch above your name tape or whatever all that stuff, right. So I think we've gotten so far.
Speaker 2Now because of society, we feel like we can still be our individual self and do what we want and still serve. I don't agree with that. I think you knew what you were getting yourself in when you signed up. If it says you cannot have your facial hair. It can't be no more than an eighth of an inch, or your hair can't be no more than an inch and a half. Then you follow suit, then you have a choice. You don't have to serve, but I will. Over time. We have not gained the recruiting numbers we needed, so it's like, okay, well, maybe the air force or the, the army, an army, the dod in general, needs to get with the times. We have different people who want to serve or whatever.
Speaker 2So then they brought in neck tattoos. Remember, you could even have tattoos down your arm and be a TI. Now, when I go through the gate, I don't know if I'm running into a thug, gang leader or what. I don't know what they shoot baby on the arm with, I don't know. And so, for instance, here's an example I use I am a Christian If I'm wearing a cross. I can't wear outside my brown T-shirt. You know why it's not authorized, right? Does that mean I'm not a Christian if I can't display my cross?
Speaker 2So for those who have a religious accommodation that says you are not practicing your religion if you can't wear a beard, I would use that same argument and I would also say that if you feel that if you cannot wear a beard and still be a true believer in your religion, then I don't think you should serve. Personally. Why go be conflicted against your feelings? I mean mean, just like anything else, right, there are certain things morally you will not do because it goes against your moral compass and you won't do them.
Speaker 2So it's the same for the military. You expect the military to bend to your belief and they're going to bend to a certain extent. And at that point, when they don't bend enough to suit your needs, you may need to make a decision. And if that means, hey look, I'm not going to sacrifice my religion for the military, then you respectfully bow. Shout out to my LGBTQ soldier, sales marines, guardians and airmen and coasties if you believe that, as an lgbtq member, that the military does not give you the same protections and the same abilities to thrive like others, then I would leave too.
Speaker 2It's the same to me. It's the same thing. So when they say religious accommodations for beards should stay, I think the bigger issue is why can't we have beards in the military? And here's the reason why Because it's against what the military believes in professionalism for folks in the uniform, but when they go half and half and say, okay, well, we can't have one, but you can have a religious accommodation to wear one. Then the folks who have a shaving waiver because of a medical condition, they say, well, shit, I might as well get a religious accommodation. Then I got to worry about them never taking it from me. I think that's the issue, in my opinion.
Speaker 3To Scott's point I want to read. We got a couple more comments in here, but I disagree with the religious waiver for some things, but not all things. There is. There are non-wavable parts for certain religious, but if you are a norse, pagan, pagan or israelite, you can have a beard. The problem, scott, is people that aren't that will go there and say that they are that, just so they can get the waiver. That's the issue, yep. Thank you, yep. I think that's my first coin mark right there. Yeah, first one you just gave me.
Speaker 1Appreciate that I'm guilty. You know what I mean. So back DC, I do want to say something about the religious aspect, and I agree with that one, because I remember talking to the DOD of mine when we used to talk a lot during COVID about that and I told him like I used to get questioned a lot about oh, are you a true Muslim? Because you don't cover, and he really got me up to the level, was like you know what? What have you? Always been a person of character, but when you are serving you have to understand. And he said Allah will always know your heart, but your actions, decisions and behaviors, they should be pleasing in his eyes. And pleasing in his eyes mean he knows what you are currently doing, which means I am serving my nation. That has a foundation of certain rules that I have to follow, long as it doesn't impede and that's what I used to have to tell people is like is it hard? Absolutely, but there are moments where you do need to be able to pivot and see like I have these values, traditions and beliefs that I am attached to. But the military also has those things. But what are the ones that I can integrate to make me successful and not really depress or compress who I am as a person. But two, I think we were, like you said, so structured to where you better do this, like I ain't going to lie. When the recruiter said you can't do your eyebrows, my dumb ass shaved all mine off before I left. I was like I was like yo, I can't do my eyebrows, so like I'm gonna post my basic training picture in the comments. But they were going back. By the time it was graduation time, but it was like man was were we so shook? But then when we got introduced to oh my god, the concepts of I could be myself a little bit. I can like what is authentic, what is.
Speaker 1I think once we opened up that umbrella it was different for a lot of us who had been serving for a while, because we were nervous. It's like you're trying to play me, like how much information you're trying to get out of the real version of me. But once we open that, I think now it's like how can we put a top back on it? And that's what the service is going through right now. It's like no, y'all jokers is out here like damn pop talks. Everybody popped out.
Speaker 1Now we put that top right back on you all and I hate to say it, but it's just coming so fast to where, when we talk about change management, so many people are still in denial. They're not being pulled forward while this change is occurring because, from a societal perspective, with Tony, he's like make it make sense. A lot of people are trying to make it make sense, but again they're in denial because it's like hold on, you gave us this opportunity away. How do I make sense of all of this? Like you gave it to me or I came into this era with it, but what am I supposed to do now?
Speaker 3That's a great point. I don't know about the speed, but it is something like hey, you gave me this. I feel like we're just getting the hang of it and it's like you just snatch it and boom, take it right away Like whoa, put the brakes on slow down.
Speaker 2Remember? That's the analogy I gave you yesterday. Yes, when you had K Wright and Joanne Bass in the seat, I would liken it to being in a sports car doing 100 miles an hour on the highway. With K Wright, we were doing 100 miles an hour. With Joanne Bass, we were doing 120 miles an hour. When Flossie got in the seat, we downshifted from six to two. Right, so you know what I mean. Anybody know you drive a car. You can't go from six to two.
Speaker 3It's going to be some kind of.
Speaker 2Christmas stuff's going to happen, it's just going to blow, right? So this, in my opinion, my humble opinion, because it's easy to throw stones at a glass house Right, it's easy, my humble opinion you got to walk back a little bit at a time, and what I mean by that is that don't mean you don't have to wait for approval, but you've got to explain to people why you're doing case in point to PT tests, right, somebody made a comment on a page that says what was wrong with the PT test we had. Now We've been lethal for the past 20 years, running a mile and a half and doing crunches and pushups and whatever. But to the chief mass on air forces point like hey, look, we need to do more to amplify and more focused on physical training and health. And so, because we're going to do that, we're going to increase it to two miles, do some functional tests.
Speaker 2Not only that, there are some folks who may not work out consistently. They'll work out two, three times a year, but then, when a PT test comes up, they're working out every day past the PT test. And they don't work out two, three times a year, but then, when a pt test comes up, they're working out every day past the pt test and they don't work out again. So that's what we're trying to get out, just more or less. People be more focused on physical fitness, but that has to be better communicated, I think oh, okay, I'm gonna go to these comments.
Speaker 3Charles put up a good point. Look, when the club says you can't wear or you can't enter with a hat on, you take that joint off and don't go in. Same thing with the military man. Break that down to the smallest common denominator.
Speaker 2Hey, guess what? If you want to get in that club and get them ladies, you're going to take that hat off. You're going to take that hat off. I'm going to go to the bootleg club down the street where all the bootleg women are at. You're going in that club.
Speaker 3All right, Chad, put up his fly fight win comment. When we signed up for the military, we are agreeing to sacrifice certain things in our personal lives. It is what we do. It's higher calling. I made the decision to serve when I knew I had to lie about who I was. I made the choice to still serve because I wanted to be a part of the force Bottom line. It's a choice. If we don't want to sacrifice the things required, a decision has to be made. It's on you.
Speaker 2Woo, you get the woo for that one. Hey, that's a great point. I mean, like what he said, he made a decision to suppress it just so he can keep serving until he didn't have to anymore. Can you imagine the the? You know the things he was had to go through in his mind and how he felt to do that not be his authentic self just so he can serve? There's people out there making sacrifices every day to be able to do that. So same thing goes with everything else. If you cannot shave or you cannot wear the eyelash extensions whatever you have a choice you do, that doesn't mean the military don't care about you. A couple more comments.
Speaker 3One see you, philly DC. I grew up in the Nation of Islam and clean shave was a must, and that did not affect how much we followed the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. I don't get it. Either say yes to wearing the beards or not.
Speaker 2I agree, just make a decision All or none.
Speaker 3All right, justin. Sorry, I didn't get to your comment, man, but I'm here now. So for the other items to worry about, the assist tab was removed along with the duty identifiers. That said, when we were authorized to wear of the tab here at DM, colonel Mills fell on the sword for us, allowed us to wear him. The tab is a beacon of hope for people on their worst days and is a program that's in in justin's opinion, should be supported better, okay yeah, yeah, I'll have to fall on the sword for that one.
Speaker 2I don't necessarily agree with that one.
Speaker 1I think, if we?
Speaker 2got to use a tab and it's not. You know, being a DM, I appreciated all them. Folks who were assist certified. They do provide an additional option for folks who needed someone to talk to if they're going through some difficult mental health issues. But if we need a tab to show that, then we are in trouble. I think all of us should have the type of approachability where they can just go to you for help, not because you just have a tab.
Speaker 3I mean, same could be said about the first sergeant tab. Exactly, you want to say the same thing.
Speaker 2Thank God y'all can't wear the first sergeant duty identifier anymore. Man, thank God.
Speaker 1I just think in essence of it's the need for affiliation and that's probably why the need for affiliation. I don't think that, like as a was meant to do anything, but it's just an identifier to say that I am affiliated with a body or a group of individuals. I'm not saying that the tab did anything in itself, but it is the meaning behind that tab, the affiliation of it. I agree.
Speaker 2Why are you still around, bro? What are you still?
Speaker 3at your comments, for she's a diamond hater. We know, we know. All right.
Speaker 2Shay says but the point of the change is now. We're telling the change of our enlisted aperture. Now, granted, nobody is not doing the changes, but they are letting the leaders know how they feel about it. Do we still agree with nails? No, but do I have French? Yes? Yeah, I think the nail Chad please. Take the diamond. Please, it's not too late. Take the don't start.
Religious Accommodations and Beards Debate
Speaker 3I didn't even say anything, anything say anything. That's crazy. But yeah, I mean, uh, I think if you want to put a bow on the eyelashes, jess, I'll kind of leave it to you to put a bow on this eyelash thing. But uh, I mean, it's just a change we're gonna have to adapt to. That's the way I feel about jess. I don't know how you feel, but try to put the bow on this so we can move on to the boots I mean my prayers and support go out to my life warriors, um like.
Speaker 1But I think I grew up with shay, like, where certain things that you wanted to do, you did wait into the weekend to do those things, or you had, like, first sergeants like annie hollins that would come and scoop you up real quick and correct. You like give you 24 hours to go and correct, but some things that have driven us away. I do believe that we're going to have to find other ways to reinvigorate our people because of the changes that are occurring. Dion, you will, and Dion there's my other member y'all 20 year picture is crazy.
Speaker 3Drop it in the chat because we still remember a 20-year picture.
Speaker 1Don't be like my family members, though, because you're not the same person I am. I just got braces and closed my gap, but other than that and I did get lighter, according to my granddaddy but I went from working outside to inside- but yeah, man, I mean just follow the rules, Follow the rules.
Speaker 3Can we move on to the boots?
Speaker 2Yes, rest in peace. To the boots man I mean, although I don't care, my old ankles and legs can't take wearing them anymore anyway.
Speaker 1But for all you tactical huh I said no, y'all don't care, but consider the people that are shorter than y'all. I don't care.
Speaker 2I'm just saying, like, here's my thing. This all goes back to what we said earlier. Right, we said this is because people were stretching the envelope, pushing the envelope, you know, because there was one point I remember, between BDUs and OCPs, all of our boots were high right. Then, when we started wearing OCPs, you shout out to my pararescuemen and Sear and Tech P, because y'all led the way when it comes to uniforms and boots. Love y'all to death. But we all want to be tactical, just like you guys.
Speaker 2And so they started wearing them boots Lowa, lima, oscar, whiskey, alphas and Solomon boots, with their pants, leg really low, although it does say in the reg, I think it says you got to blouse your pants over your boot. That went away. You have people tucking them in their boots, which I think is authorized too, but anyway. So you have people buying all these boots. I'm guilty of it. I wore them too because they were comfortable, but there was nothing specifically in the AFI that says you couldn't wear it. It just said something to the effect of it has to be coyote brown and it has to have a heel or something to that effect. And so it got to a point no different than ball caps. There are some folks that feel like exactly low top chucks. Shout out to Powers. Michael Mitch Now Chief Mitchell would know who he is.
Speaker 2This dude, when we're in the desert, was wearing Israeli style chukkas in uniform. I don't know if you remember that I had had to check them. Some people take it to the extreme. They were like there's nothing. The reg says I can't wear it. They're coyote brown and you see the memes all over the airman nco page of people wearing, like chuck taylor, coyote brown boots. I even seen somebody wear timberlands. I know it was a joke, but y'all snitched on yourself putting it out. But y'all snitched on yourself putting it out there. Y'all snitched on yourself, and so here we are.
Speaker 3He said I had them jump boots and never jumped out of nothing but my desk chair. Yeah that's a lot of the people out there, that's crazy. Wes Lawrence and I tried and I saw them. I must have missed that. I have seen them low-top chucks in the med group at my appointment, Out of control.
Speaker 2We got to flex them.
Speaker 3Bats blow out. Low quarters Bats blow out. Oh my goodness, what's a bat blow out? Oh my goodness, I feel you. I guess that my point is that's me fool. You ain't gotta read it. I thought that was your son. Actually I thought that was your son, um, but the boots man, I think it's. Uh, it's just like. It's just like the eyelashes man, like hey, you can't wear the boots no more, you go get your other boots. I know people were in there with there with tape measures, trying to figure out if their boot was long enough. Oh, I think it's right at the eight-inch mark, it's good, but they were going from like the toe to the tongue, like bro, not eight inches that way Not across.
Speaker 3Like up and down big homie. Yeah, it's out of control. Oh, the blue shoes. I got you top. It's my bad. So it goes back to uh, the heads were wearing boots were issued. Um, okay, where the boots are issued here's my thing, though.
Speaker 2I remember like so I think west mentioned it earlier in the review same for my formation. When we came out with the OCP inspectable item, we told everybody you have to wear OCPs. No flight suits, no cry precision, no massive uniforms, no beyond clothing right. And people were losing their shit, excuse my language. They were using their stuff. They're like how's it Air Force going to be wearing Crocs in 2026. But anyway, people are losing their stuff. They're like this is an authorized uniform, technically, half and half. Nothing that says you couldn't wear it because it's 50-50 cotton, but it says APHIS authorized.
Speaker 2Cry is not sold in APHIS but we've been allowing it. Even our most senior leaders from the former Chief of Air Force was wearing cry precision uniforms. I believe one of the former CSAF, general Goldfein, were wearing cries. Some wing commanders wear cries and I noticed they haven't touched that yet. But I would argue cry uniforms are much more functional than the OCP uniform. But you're not going to want to wear 8 to 12 inch boots in cries because you know why, don't look that cool. That's why you want to wear the low joints. You know what I mean? The tactical boots. Nothing against my 3F brethren out there personnel Shout out to y'all Love y'all, but Nothing against my three of brethren out there.
Speaker 3Personnel Shout out to y'all. I love y'all, but there's no reason for you to be wearing low-cut boots and crowd precision uniforms. Wait, didn't you say it was more comfortable? Didn't you say it was more comfortable?
Speaker 2It's not, I mean, functional for the field, For like, for instance, a defender. I'm not pro defender.
Speaker 3Yes, you are.
Speaker 2Because it applies to engineers and firemen and folks, loadmasters, because of where the pocket placement is right and, plus the way the patches were at, they touched the crowd on the SRR unauthorized during inspection. So anyway, I don't really I care about the folks because I think there are some boots out there who are there are low cut mid that are functional and I think they should be allowed. But unfortunately, like we said earlier, there are some people who took it to the extreme. They're out there trying to wear like low cut, like chukkas and stuff, or coyote brown. This dude down here, low-cut, like chukkas and stuff, coyote brown. I'm a person. I don't have those boots, I'm not driving on MDF. I love y'all, I love personality. Thumbs up for 3F, that's good you need out.
Speaker 3That's good you need out.
Speaker 1process I was trying to hold myself together while I posted that picture. So Dion is posted that picture. So Dion is posted. Yeah, why are you coming for us? We make you know what? I'm pretty sure they're easing your transition to make sure that you become a viable veteran, right?
Speaker 3He just want to make sure he get his ID card. That's why he pro FSS. As soon as he gets that retirement ID card, he'll be like F y'all, I'm out, F y'all, I'm out. They ain't gonna say nothing else to nobody. Hey, the Nike boots was cold.
Speaker 2Yo, I had them joints. I wore them twice, I tell you. You know it's bad when you're about to wear something to work and you be like man. I think I'm going to get roasted if these are authorized. The first day I wore them I thought people would just stare at me all day long because they were coyote brown. But you see the big Nike logo on the side. Paul, what's up, bro? Them boots are good for everybody with three Fs. Huh, oh man, come on, I love three Fs. Get off, they look like low sneakers.
Speaker 1You got to think. When we talk about height and I ain't going to get into weight, but height requirements I'm 5'2 and a half. Putting on that boot is going to be almost touching my kneecap. What are we doing? Are you not considering the people?
Speaker 3who are fun.
Speaker 1So you gonna say so, like it was somebody, I posted that I was line number eight out of my line sisters, so imagine it's seven people shorter than me in my line when I crossed to be delta, sigma 30, sorority incorporated. So I'm just trying to figure out like, what are we doing for the people who are shorter than me? But these boots got to be that tall I, I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 3I mean, I never thought about it people like me in the room think about it. Wait, wait, wait. Uh. Wes why we didn't get rid of OCPs. Like, what are we going to wear? Just walk around with polos and t-shirts or polos and shorts, nike boots meet the height requirements, though, and comfy.
Speaker 2I ain't got nothing against the Nike SFG boots. Those are yo. I have like three pairs. The first, the second generation ones, run them in the ground. I will wear them until I retire, bro. They're so comfortable. Not good for the field, but so comfortable.
Speaker 3I said you got some grip on them, Dan. It's just the size. They're not very functional. They do not care about how they look. Oh, you want to iron the?
Speaker 2uniform. I agree, no, I I agree. Hey, yo you bring back the iron.
Speaker 3I still iron myself Make irons great again. I'm very challenged about how to hate, but I'm Miller J Blige, but that's crazy. Hey, this part I agree with Shay. We do need to target those faded, mismatched uniforms. Amen to that, amen to that. I hate that, you know what really.
Speaker 2You know what, Shea? I agree with you. But here's the thing. This goes back to your leadership. Don't need to wait for the AFI change to do that. No point. I've told many of. I'll put it like this I told a couple of pilots at DM I'm like, look, your flight suit, ocp version, look like white camo. You need to change them joints, sir. Like they look bad and I get it. They be like well, this is special to me, chief. I wore these when I was deployed, but you can let them go, sir. It look like you're going out into the Arctic man. It's like white Washington, of course.
Speaker 3Let's see if you can hoop in them too, Right?
Speaker 2on the court. I love that one. You can hoop in them joints. Kids don't know how to iron.
Speaker 3That's a mistake. They don't know how to iron.
Speaker 1That's crazy we in the wrinkle generation like something out of the dryer in a heartbeat and just throw it on that begs a question do you guys foresee we're circling back to that era?
Speaker 2Because, think about it, we got gig lines, we're doing away extensions, we're doing 8 to 12 inches for boots. Now it's getting very specific about how you wear the uniform and personal appearance. Do you think we're getting back to that now? Because, remember, people were arguing that folks were getting advantages because they look good in uniform but they suck at the job.
Speaker 3Leaders are afraid to make corrective changes, but preach change can be made at any level. It's still iron and BMT, so I don't know where.
Speaker 2I know they do because the starch it's hard to get the starch over here at the damn shop bed it's always gone. Bro, go to Walmart and go get the dang starch. They don't have faultless though. Man, you need that faultless man. See, you can't use Stay Flow on OCP.
Speaker 1I was about to say why he be acting like he didn't grow up on Stay Flow.
Speaker 3He didn't iron his uniform. He's all about pride pride in himself, pride in the uniform, pride in the Exactly, I don't care about ironing because I maintain my own blues Blues Got that good top show starship in the laundry room.
Speaker 2That's a good point, but yo I don't know about, if we're going back, how many of y'all actually iron your OCPs Put a one in the chat. I'm curious. I iron mine. It don't look like it, you fuck.
Speaker 3It don't look like it. You god blessing hater. Alright, let's start with a hot rock. Hot rock is crazy.
Speaker 1I don't start you, you be walking around like a balled up piece of paper. Why do you?
Speaker 3believe what Philly say. Why do you even believe anything what Philly say? I hour my joint every single day. Every single day, I hour my joint.
Speaker 2It looks like you rappelled off a mountain, rolled down a hill, jumped out of a trash truck, brushed yourself off and got in your office.
Speaker 3That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2Please don't believe him at all.
Speaker 3I'm just kidding. Please don't believe him at all.
Speaker 2But for the boots, I mean to my point. Let's see on the first day A lot of irons.
Speaker 3A lot of people saying they iron, iron, iron.
Speaker 2Now extra points. Put an asterisk in the chat if you actually use starch.
Speaker 3No, I don't starch them.
Speaker 2I starch mine. I do, I starch mine. Yeah look, can't starch them. No, I know probably some people say it ain't authorized, but I do it anyway. I don't care, I'm going against the standard. As long as you don't look like you're about to razor cut somebody with a sleeve, I think you're fine.
Speaker 3Just some light stars. That's the BDU days.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean. But anyway, to put a ribbon or a bow on the boots thing, I don't see an issue with it. It's frustrating because you probably got a lot of people that's got to buy new boots now. But I mean, that's what you get clothing allowance for and you take the chance when you buy uniform items and it says in the AFI the Air Force is not responsible for you using unauthorized A-fees products. So if all you have is some low-cutter Nike boots or Loas or Solomons or I forgot the other brand because those are fire too you know the only thing that messes this up. I was going to sell all my boots Now nobody going to want to buy them because they're not authorized man, yep Not sell your size 22.
Boot Height Requirements Controversy
Speaker 3Ain't nobody wearing size 22 but you. You ain't going to sell them to nobody. You and Shaq, that's it.
Speaker 1That's the only person you're going to sell them to, but he ain't got two bougie to refurbish those boots, to go outside and cut that grass. Don't act like I used to do that, because I know I did.
Speaker 3There's a very long comment. I'm trying to get the premise of it before I put it in here. Very long comment. I'm trying to get the premise of it before I put it in here and look like a fool trying to read it.
Speaker 2You want me to take a look at it. There you go.
Speaker 3Who's it?
Speaker 2from Bushido? Hold on, I'm trying to find it in the thread. All right, bushido Brim, I know you already touched on this. I definitely think the broader discussion centers around the shift in mindset regarding how the Air Force is perceived and operates. Unlike other branches, which routinely train and operate collectively to defend installations, the Air Force has traditionally not emphasized field training across all career fields. However, there's now a concerted effort to change that. Despite this, many airmen are resistant to the shift, believing that such responsibilities should remain solely within the security force career field. I would agree, which is hence the reasoning, or the push for the combat support training ranges and such which, I would add, there are some career fields that actually are pushing against it. They feel like it's no use for them to do this such thing. Chad says I'd like to poll and see how many folks actually use their clothing. Oh no, don't do it.
Speaker 3I don't, don't do it.
Speaker 2I don't, don't do it, yo. They out there buying Tims and ones with their clothing allowance instead of some new boots. Jason says not everyone gets their clothing allowance in the next 90 days. All right, I'm going to be all right, let's make the time six months.
Speaker 3Is that for the boots?
Speaker 2No, I don't agree with that. I'm sorry, jason, I ain't rocking on that one. Let's make the time six months so we're not having airmen who bought what was authorized with fair last clothing allowance and now have to wait. You get a clothing allowance, ain't the answer?
Speaker 1this. I don't agree with that, bro. Sorry, I can't because you allow it. So, like the lashes, I can see the lashes, and that's to shay's point, because if you just got, just say you just got your lashes for your last week, just let them just don't taper out. So by the time that 30 days come, you should be good. But do think about those people who did just purchase those items. Those items that were just purchased. They no longer have the receipt Again. I'm still trying to get him, your Chief Messager of the Air Force, to currently understand that it takes time for change. You just can't be shooting it out as quick as you are without a pulling Again. You got so many people still in denial about the stuff that's going on in the military period, point blank I'm sorry not to jess and lester.
Speaker 3Tony, yeah, tony I agree with you.
Speaker 2Take your ass to the air mosaic, jess, I agree with your point as far as I think. For me, the communication, I agree, yes, but as far as, because I think he said he gives them, he's giving them 60 days, 90 days 30 or some of it is the boots, I want to say it 90 is the eyelashes, or vice versa okay, so last I check, a new pair of boots is what about? A buck 50 might be 200.
Speaker 3You get a check by then.
Speaker 2Right, it's a pay period right, and then Tony's point, and you take your butt to the Amazade.
Speaker 1Y'all act like come on now, Come on now y'all, Y'all quicks, Come on. People got it.
Speaker 2It's not like he's telling them, but y'all who?
Speaker 1see Most people about to start buying their kids stuff for school and, like Pete, to your point, y'all didn't want to help that woman get her freaking table. I was just about to say you know what you can do.
Speaker 3Hit up your fur sergeant. Hit up your fur sergeant and get warm heart. That's what you can do.
Speaker 2We'll give it to you. They have a lot of kids.
Speaker 1It's about to be school season, so as I look at Jason, it's a loudest six. Get me up out of this crippling moment that you have me in right now, so everybody out there, you can't afford your boots.
Speaker 3Go in up to First Sergeant, ask for a warm heart request. There you go.
Speaker 2And see Shea says right there, it's 90 days for the boot. So that's like what? Six paychecks, yeah, 90 days.
Speaker 3If it costs too much to get your lashes done, go hit up your first Sergeant or hit your boy up.
Speaker 2I got some boosters, that's authorized. Hit your boy up, what does it?
Speaker 3count. He said warm heart.
Speaker 2Shout out to McG the.
Speaker 3Air Force Base for a sorry council, bro. The standard issue Boots about 50 bucks, but you might as well be. Had some hard rocks, that's a good point.
Speaker 3That's a good point 30 days equals 2 paychecks. So, right, might not be able to go to club that night. Get top shelf liquor, just get the bottom shelf, you'll be good. Drink water, drink water one day, but anyway, yeah, oh man, a lot going on, a lot going on in the Air Force, a lot of change going on in the Air Force. My fellow first sergeant, yeah, wow, I'm just saying the requests are coming in Tuesday. I'm sure they're coming. I got five airmen that all need to get new boots, just asking to warm up.
Speaker 2Yo, they're not going to do the first Sergeant Chan and you're retiring no more. And now we had the first Sarchana. You're retiring no more. And now we were at a first Sarchana. They be like hell, no.
Speaker 3I'm not saying Luke shirts, I'm just saying your shirt, wherever you're at in the world. Everybody got a warm heart. Your podcast mates is on. I'm just saying any first Sarchana, just random. The world, everybody got a warm heart. Your podcast mates is on. I'll just say any first, just random, just random first. It's not too late. Why does everybody?
Speaker 2got a cup of my they got a cup of my diamond.
Speaker 3I'll just say it it's an option. It's an option, oh shit, hold on.
Speaker 2Okay, yo, let's put a bow on this portion Please, because the comments keep flying. Jess, I know you're in another world, retired in the burning sands and stuff, but from your take, from what you've heard, do you agree or applaud the changes? Agnostic, or this is trash, or I don't agree with it, or a little bit of both and pretend on that category.
Speaker 1You know, with the sliding scale, I would say neutral. I just wish we as people would have that inclination to do our job and but I think again, they were given an opportunity, and I do believe you know, give me an opportunity to disappoint you and Big Air Force was like, hey, we're disappointed and this is what you got now.
Speaker 2OK good point. I'll leave the last one for pete. Uh, I'm kind of in between, like eyelashes extensions, I agree, boots, I agree. Officers wearing ocp lost opportunity. They messed that one up, man, they, they messed that one up. And then extra credit if they will find a way to fully address beards and stop trying to tiptoe around it. Make a decision all or none and move on.
Speaker 3Pete Says Pete Shadowbox is a warm heart request.
Speaker 2That's a good one hey ask Terrell how many approvals?
Speaker 1yeah, hey, it better be all it better be all.
Speaker 3Everybody better be approving that. I'm gonna put in the request. You know, anything under 500 I don't think we need to vote on, so just put that in and we all. Good man, I don't miss the air force. Dd214 is life. Um, I think what chad said. I'll just let chad have the last word for me. Uh, there's a lot of stuff we don't like or agree with, some of which we can't control. What we can control is how we react, our attitude, adjust and keep it moving.
Speaker 2Nothing, I gave that one.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't even need to say nothing. That's spot on. Of course, of course, yo. If you want to donate to the show, help with my shadow box or Pete's Boot Foundation, give boots to a lost airman. You can all do so by going to streamlabscom slash unpopulatedcelebrities3, slash tips and go ahead and donate some money for the show to keep the lights on, keep us moving.
Speaker 3But, yeah, I like all the comments today, appreciate everybody being here. A lot of good conversations. I appreciate everybody's telling their true facts about everything Charles Davis denied he better go holler at the air force. That's crazy. That's why I get denied anyway. But uh, yeah, appreciate y'all for being in here. Appreciate y'all for being part of the show today. Had a lot of good comments, a lot of good people in here. So love, love, love. Always appreciate it, always love talking about this stuff too, billy Jess.
Speaker 2I'll let Jess go first.
Speaker 1I mean to go with our people and our listeners. I'll say I posted something earlier this week that pressure is a privilege. I know it may feel heavy for a lot of people that are currently serving, but you all have to learn how to rely on each other for those pillars that you all were taught. But at the end of the day y'all going to be all right. Like Kendrick Lamar always say, y'all better go listen to it, all right.
Speaker 3Not the Kendrick quote. Not the Kendrick quote Billy.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'll echo Jess's comments. I'm very appreciative for you guys to tune in, as always, especially with the comments. Man, I know there has been probably some folks. Yeah, first of all, there's a lot of folks that listen and don't comment. You know why?
Speaker 2because I meet them all the time people walk up to me and recognize me for the podcast and I say, hey, why you don't say nothing? Oh, you know, I'm not that guy. Look, thank you for just listening. Why you don't say nothing? Oh, you know, I'm not that guy. Look, thank you for just listening. Even if you don't feel comfortable commenting and I get it Like a lot of listeners we have are in uniform and they may be afraid of the wrong person listening to this and something happens I will assure you, as long as you are professional and the disclaimer's there, you will be fine. This is a great place and space for you to air out not only your approval but some ideas of how we can make things better. Because, let's be honest, whether you're retired or not, you still have some connection to the Air Force, whether you're in or not. So this is your opportunity to bring out your stuff here or to throw shots at your fellow Air Force members or your favorite podcasters too. We welcome those too, but we appreciate y'all being on here, as always. Look forward to the next show and shout out.
Overall Standards and Final Thoughts
Speaker 2You know my retirement's coming up 22 August, randolph Air Force Base, in the building. We're going to have a reception that night. We're going to dance, we're going to do the cowboy shuffle cow. We're going to dance, we're going to do the Cowboy Shuffle Cowboys and cowgirls, whatever that stuff, just fun fact. Men, we don't use the fan. My wife told me, men, we don't use the fan, it's just for the ladies. If you plan on being there, my man, kenny Bracely, he's going to be DJing. We're going to have a good time, man, electric slide cha-cha, slide my deep in the building.
Speaker 3Y'all still can't play kendrick in texas, right in that thing says who drake?
Speaker 2I ain't worried about that dude. He got a new album.
Speaker 3Oh, shout out to eclipse album oh, that clips album is so fire, my goodness fire. A question for y'all with that, did pharrell do all the beats? I don't know. Oh man, them beats are so fire. Thank you, get them, sir. Boots on the Ground that's the name of the song.
Speaker 2Boots on the Ground Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why do we always have to follow a trend?
Speaker 1Like. You see all these people out there with these dang bands.
Speaker 3Hey, you know you like it, hey. Hey, I ain't going to lie that boots on the ground. Be tough, tough. Oh it's tough. Oh, I ain't doing the dance, but it's tough, you ain't going to do it though huh. No, I ain't going to do it, but it's tough. It's really, really tough. I ain't going to take off the very short boots or do boots on the ground.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, make sure y'all come in to reception. I'm putting 50 bucks on the bar man. What the hell you show up late. If you show up late and you out of luck, no food for you. Better be on time.
Speaker 1You know what? Those of you that may attend you will be in great service. I go to bartending school next week, so guess what? I'll be the mix-up, okay.
Speaker 2But Jess, you only work with 50 bucks. After that you pay. I know y'all heard about it Sunday.
Speaker 1I know you heard about the boy that had the fish sandwich in the Bible. We gonna take that fish sandwich in the bible. We gonna take that fish sandwich and feed everybody the full time and with some drinks.
Speaker 3I hear about that we know you like what david said I hear about that, but uh, yeah, y'all look at the clips album. That thing is fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire. Um, there was something else I was about to say I forgot. $50 on the bar is crazy. I know, man, that's a lot of money For my retirement.
Speaker 1I spent $1,000 on food, I know he has to have those communion cups. If that's how he thinks that $50 is going to stretch.
Speaker 2Hey look, you know how it is. You'd like to show up late for a party because you want to make a grand entrance. You're going to make a grand entrance with no drink and you're going to have no food left.
Speaker 1So, hey, so we starting on time.
Speaker 2Fanta sodas, around Around Fanta sodas.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 2Well, this is going to be a depressing retirement party, but all right, hey, if you there on time, you're going to have a great time. One drink per person, too $50. We're going to stretch one drink, smile, right, right.
Show Closing and Upcoming Events
Speaker 3Everybody gets a shot. That's crazy. All right, we'll see y'all next time. Appreciate y'all for being here. Unpopular celebrities we out Peace. See y'all next time. Appreciate y'all for being here. Unpopular celebrities we out Peace. Go Eagles, go Birds. We're having to go Birds, go Birds, go Birds, eagles.
