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How Training, Tough Feedback, And Grit Shape Better Airmen
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The jokes land early, but this one gets real fast. We sit down with Chief Master Sergeant Scott Roy to trace a winding path from a PJ washout to a proud Security Forces career shaped by cold Alaskan nights, club-door policing, and a stubborn love for the craft. He doesn’t romanticize the work. He names the tradeoffs, the grey areas of law enforcement on base, and the small standards that signal big discipline—from boots and blousing to the way a patch can shape identity.
We dig into training that actually builds readiness. Roy argues for fewer scattered requirements and sharper fundamentals, led by credible instructors who live the standard, not just brief it. He explains why putting weapons and tactics minds in training roles yields better results, and why the new mission-aligned blocks beat bloated, generic hours. His line you don’t rise to the occasion, you fall to your lowest level of training frames everything—from active shooter drills to the everyday patrol decisions that set culture.
Then we wade into the murk of promotions, boards, and stratifications. Roy favors ownership in the early tiers and honest scrutiny in the senior ones, while calling out the damage done by mixed messages and secrecy. The answer isn’t coddling or cruelty; it’s clear criteria, tailored delivery, and leaders willing to be supervisors before friends. He also lays down a wishlist: make PT matter for promotion, reinforce dress and appearance to restore pride, and bring back duty identifiers with restraint so they honor mission over vanity.
If you’ve ever felt stuck between standards and reality, this conversation is a field guide to moving forward with integrity. Tap play for hard-won lessons on motivation, mentorship, and the patience to pick the right hills to charge. If this hit home, follow the show, share it with a teammate, and leave a review with your best leadership lesson—what should we tackle next?
Warm-Up, Audio Check, And Banter
SPEAKER_01Yo what up? What's good?
SPEAKER_03Yo, that audio wasn't bad, man. I'll give you props. That audio was all right, man. I'm not really a mumble rap type of dude, but that wasn't that bad. It was all right.
SPEAKER_01All right, bet, bet. We gotta still have some improvement to do, but it's a good start. It's a good start. I'm glad you enjoyed it. What's good with you?
SPEAKER_03Man, you know, I'm out here chilling. You know what I'm saying? My birds don't play today. Oh, before I get started, go birds. Go birds. So we ain't playing today, so it's a win for us. Waiting for the Cowboys demise. And also the uh Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And although I was waiting for the Coast demise, but coasts are down by one. So Atlanta find a way to it up anyway. So it don't matter. Okay. Oh, and then the Patriots. I'm actually going for the Patriots today. But anyway, I digress. I'm talking too much.
SPEAKER_01Well, bet. Well, the youth, the Facebook still ain't coming up, and I can't figure out why. Oh well, I can see it uh on here. Hopefully, I can figure it out later. Oh, there it goes. I got it. Okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. Test one, two, three. We're good. Anyway, we have a guest. We haven't had a guest for a while. It's been a hot, hot, hot, hot minute since our popular celebrities had a guest. So it feels good to talk to somebody else besides just Philly, even though he's a great co-host. Uh, we always need a guest on here. Let me make sure everything's working. Good job. All right, anything before we bring the guest on?
SPEAKER_03Well, first of all, I say you first of all for saying oh, some nonsense like that. I want to talk to you anyway, partner.
SPEAKER_01No, I said it's good that you are.
Introducing Chief Scott Roy
SPEAKER_03No, man, you came at me sideways, man. That was a little slight right there, a little slight work on you, man. Forget you, man. You lucky it's the Lord's holiday or the Lord's day. I'm sorry, not Lord's holiday, Lord's Day. Anyway, so welcome everyone. Welcome to Unpopular Celebrities. You have yours truly, Philly DC, this dirtbag cornball to my right, your left Pete, who's the engineer. We also have Dell and Jessica Player out there doing their business, handling their business. We are your unpopular celebrities. Make sure you like, share, subscribe, especially on YouTube, man. Gran go on there if you follow the show and you're not a subscriber to YouTube, you wrong, bro. Subscribe on YouTube, get the viewers up so we can get in the algorithm. You know what I'm saying? Algorithm, we can reach more people. Subscribers are up on YouTube. We need to keep the thing rolling. So without further ado, just like Pete alluded to, we have a special guest in the building. You know him. I know him as security forces extraordinaire and a fellow chief. Shout out to the chiefs out there in the land. This dude to my right hand, the chief, so he don't know nothing about that. So without further ado, Chief Master Sergeant Scott Roy.
SPEAKER_01That was pretty good. I think you found your next job. What's Lawrence in the building? Spell algorithm. Not that he spelled it, he spelled it out and told you to spell it. Oh, let me give you access to the chat. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that would be nice.
SPEAKER_01There you go. He says, hey, that's a good point. That's why I use words like that. Wes, what's good, man? What's good? What's good? Scott Roy in the building. What's good with you?
SPEAKER_07Man, can't call it, man. Having a good year. Pass is doing it. We gotta get one more through today. Tampa's gonna be tough. But besides that, we're here. We here.
SPEAKER_01I'm actually looking forward to y'all playing Tampa Bay because I think it'll be a good test for you and Tampa because y'all defense been playing really good. Uh and the off, I mean, May is looking like he should have been the number one pick. I'm like, man, what where'd this dude come from? Y'all changed your coach all of a sudden that he wanna just show out. But right now, the Falcons putting it on uh Indianapolis. They didn't think we could, they didn't think we would.
SPEAKER_07They down though. They down.
SPEAKER_03We the comeback kids. We the comeback kids. Everybody in the audience, y'all remember what he said. It's not gonna age well here in the next 10 minutes because you know Atlanta, like we know Atlanta. You might want to hold what you just said, Pete. I'm gonna use you, give you this opportunity to take back.
SPEAKER_01We just make it suspenseful. We just make it a suspenseful. That's easy work right there. Oh, yeah, that's BS man. How do we always start winning the whole game and then we lose it at the end every single freaking time? Pause trash, trash 83-yard touchdown run is stupid. Trash man, what the hell, Scott?
SPEAKER_03Can you join me in a petition to get the Atlanta Falcons to get them the duck out the NFL and the CFL, please? They're the laugh of stock in the NFL. They can't hold any league.
SPEAKER_07Same level as the Jets. Yeah, same level. I don't know about that. That's kind of a little bit too far.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy. We ain't dang but fumble level, but that's not what we are. I'll tell you what, we get good draft picks, and we can't do nothing with them. We got Penix, who was a high draft pick. We got Bijan Mustard, high draft pick. We got Pitts, all high, good draft picks, and we just can't figure out nothing. Anyway, we're done talking about football for today until we start winning, then we can bring it back up. But until then, we're done talking about football. But uh, for all that y'all know, man, Chief Master Scott Roy in the building, stationed at Andrews Air Force Base, like uh Philly alluded to security forces uh extraordinary. First of all, how the hell did you get in the career field of security forces?
SPEAKER_07Man, listen to this one. So came in, um college didn't work out, right? So I signed up. I thought I was gonna go do some some cool things. I tried out for PJs, man. They take you to the water, you gotta swim on the water for like 50 meters, can't come up, and then you gotta do like a 1400 meter swim. So knock the first thing out, second one. I'm swimming back and forth, right? Ain't never had no lessons, ain't no pools in the projects. And I grabbed the phone to take a break to catch a breather. My man said, get out, you done. That was it. He's like, I got something else for you. He was like, Yo, I got these, I got this SF. So in my head, I'm thinking special forces. Shows me these goat videos, that's going through the purple smoke, going CQB in it. Um and I'm like, Yeah, let's go sign me up, man. Um and come to find out with security forces, like MP work. And before I know it, I was like, uh, well, I'm here now. I did four years. I was like, I'm gonna do four years to get the hell out, man. I'm not about that life. And someone took some, you know, always takes one person to uh take some interest in you, and and after that, man, hit the hit the road running after that and kind of fell in love with it.
SPEAKER_01That's that's the truth. Man, that's what's up, man. I was well not shocked that you stay with it, but now you have took on the culture of security forces and embraced it full on. I say that you one of the few cops I know that seems like they actually enjoy their work, they actually enjoy being a cop and have embraced it, even though that wasn't your first passion. I'm glad to see somebody that has embraced it and went through the uh the struggles and pain and embraced the suck of security forces as a whole.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, for sure. Um, man, I do, I know that sounds like uh some people might be like, Man, man, you drinking the Kool-Aid, but you know, uh I enjoy it. I I have no I have no desire to leave it, right? This is I came in, I made chief on the back of uh defenders, and I'm gonna leave on the back of defenders. So I don't have no desire for the group, command chief, none of that stuff. I love it.
SPEAKER_01What was your first duty station?
SPEAKER_07Alaska. Oh, out there in the freezing cold. Yeah, Elmador, to be honest. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01That didn't turn you off from security.
SPEAKER_07I mean, it shouldn't be out there in the freezing cold. They put me way far east coast.
SPEAKER_01Oh man, at least you're used to the cold weather because you're from Massachusetts.
SPEAKER_07So no, that's different type of cold, Pete. That's different. I'm talking about yo, take a cup, throw it up, turn the snow. That's real, man. That's not no AI stuff. That that really happens. No, that it happens out there like that.
Origin Story: From PJ Tryout To SF
SPEAKER_01That's like us out here in Arizona. Like, you can really cook an egg on the damn cement.
SPEAKER_07That's not what I heard about that, but bro, that's real world.
SPEAKER_01You just put a bacon pan sheet out there. Hey, you can make a whole dinner. You can cook steak out there, it don't matter. It's hot, hot, hot, hot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So, Scott, you got the Arctic patch, huh?
SPEAKER_07Uh, there's an Arctic school, but at the time they wasn't giving out Arctic patches. Uh, it was just you go to the it's called they call it cool school, where you learn to survive. And yeah, that's really literally what they call it. And then like you learn to survive, and if you catch a rabbit, you eat it. Uh, majority of the time we didn't catch it, you know what I mean? And you learn how to take the the the soil and build a you know, the igloos, that's what they call them, but it's it's different, like a different concept than what we see on cartoons, and you do that, and um, there was no patch at it back in the day, but also you straight OG old school.
SPEAKER_03You didn't you had to earn like you had to earn that that um reputation of being in the Arctic environment versus people like got an Arctic patch on.
SPEAKER_07We didn't have tour in Alaska, we didn't have no Velcro back then, it was BDUs, we know patches on. I mean, there was there was no such thing, you couldn't go find it.
SPEAKER_03So you was in a BDU's age, huh?
SPEAKER_07Oh, I was in the tiger as well.
SPEAKER_03Yo, so BDU's abus or OCPs and rank and order.
SPEAKER_07I mean, the BDUs separate a lot of folks, in my opinion, right? Like, you can look shopping them. I mean, you can put them things in the corner and they stand up. The ABUs got a little bit more comfortable, but even those look, I like the stripes on the sleeves. I miss that more than anything, to be honest. Like, I miss the stripes. Um I agree. The old CP's comfortable, but man, we if I'm being transparent, we look trashy because you know. Yes, folks don't put no type to it. I think it's I mean, we're just getting lazier and lazier. You know, some folks don't feel some type of way about that, but it is what it is. Call me old school. But take a little time, put pride in what you wear. You know, cats will look real good to go to the club, but can't look good to go to work.
SPEAKER_03Facts, praise, praise, hey, hey, hey, hey, you speak the my love language right there, bro. Like, I don't, I just don't get it. When they came out and they say, We're gonna change the OCP boots to like 12 inches. People are losing their freaking mind. They're like, Yo, they can't do this. How am I gonna get? I don't have those boots. What am I supposed to do? Yo, you get a closing allowance, buy you some new boots. That's it. You're gonna give them a year to change over a year, to change boots.
SPEAKER_07Philly, it's wow, man. Like when you can see you you can't blouse that low, man. You know what I'm saying? That's the design of them. Yeah, uh it's it's crazy, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_03But now I feel you on the stripes, though, man, because I do miss that. It's just something about the chevrons on the sleeve, it's traditional, plus, I think it commands more attention. I think the officers, in my opinion, I think I said this before. I think what they should do is since they did away with the duty identifiers, they should make like the chevron patches for the sleeve and then move like the um squadron and magiccom identifiers to the front and have the officers stay in the middle or bring them back up here, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_07I like that. That's that's that BDU though. That's where they used to be with the BDU on the on the pockets, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER_03I and we have and when I was gonna say when you have dudes like Pete that act sideways, you can just rip the stripe off their sleeve, it's easy.
SPEAKER_01I get thrown into this, and I think it isn't it easier now with the Velcro? You just put it right back on.
SPEAKER_07It's so hard to see from a distance.
SPEAKER_01No, that's true.
SPEAKER_07Now you don't know when you're a chief at times when you're walking by somebody, you know. Hey, that's for real.
SPEAKER_01I've done that a few times. Like, oh man, you a chief? Like, yeah, oh yeah, that that is kind of that that does kind of suck a little bit. Uh, first of all, uh the Falcons are in the red zone with two minutes left, but we'll go ahead and pause right there. Hey, that's I told you how we come back. We just making it suspenseful, but don't watch that. Watch unpopular celebrities, we'll give you all the highlights. We'll go back and watch that. Uh, where where were you off to after Alaska?
SPEAKER_07Uh, so Alaska, I got stationed at Hanscom, right outside of Boston.
SPEAKER_01Did you want to go there?
SPEAKER_07Was that a uh gym? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Was that uh a part of your BOP or how'd you get there? Or was that because you were overseas?
SPEAKER_07I had orders to Turkey. Um, but at the time I was married, right? And um, they didn't give orders to my spouse at the time. So like they called me there and I didn't I didn't reply. I didn't I didn't say I was taking it. They was like, hey man, are you taking these orders? And they called me directly. I was like, Oh, my spouse is not on these orders. And they was like, Well, where do you want to go? I said, handscomb. They said, Is it on your list? I said, Yeah, I had canceled my orders that day, I had orders to handscom yet the next day. What a blessing, right? That how things used to work back back in the day, yeah.
SPEAKER_01If you if you have a crescent question for Chief Roy, you can ask that. Any other comments can you can hold to yourself? But if you have a question for our guests, you can ask that. But anything else, hold to your goddamn self.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man. You feeling attacked? I know, man. Yo, this is normal. You know how it is, guys.
SPEAKER_01We try to have positive vibes around here. Of course, there's an Eagles fan who comes with negativity, but whatever. What are we gonna be negative about?
SPEAKER_03We Super Bowl champs. What we gotta be negative about here.
SPEAKER_01You go, anyway. Anyway, uh, so are you a law enforcement guy or more or less a security guy?
SPEAKER_07Oh man, law enforcement.
SPEAKER_01Okay, that's me too.
SPEAKER_07In and out, and I security to me is easy, right? So if you was at Alaska when I my first base, I think all bases on your first base. Your first base sets the tone for like who you become. I I I really believe that. So in um in Elmador, you had the you had the PL2s, right? You had the AWACS, the alert birds that you know make contact with Russia when the birds crossed that zone. Then you had the intelligence squadron, right? Um, big intelligence squadron, but then law enforcement back in the day where folks wanted to come on base to the club, man, it was civilians will come on base. Like they'd lately come to the come up, get a pass, go in there and impress, right? It's completely changed than what we are, what we do now. But the club used to be popping on base.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh man, overseas clubs, yeah.
SPEAKER_07So many fights, and then you at at two o'clock, all the patrols that out there out there post limits was at hey, we'll we'll be there to back that up, right? Just because they want some action. So law law enforcement, a lot of duis and last week you understand. Like in the winter time, there's no sun. So I mean, all you do out there is drink, drink, drink, drink. Um so DUIs and domestics and suicides is was on an all-time high. So I just like the gray zone, right? I really like the gray zone where you can make command decisions. Some folks, law enforcement ain't them for them. Security, you know, we all have role players, just ain't nothing just like sports. Some folks need to be in security, they need the black and white. You need the ones that can make command decisions in law enforcement. I think that's that's kind of where it is. And I fell in love with law enforcement. Um, and then when you go to different bases, you know, things change because of the mission, right? So law enforcement for sure.
SPEAKER_01For sure.
SPEAKER_07I love the great.
SPEAKER_03I like to I like to interject just to make sure I I get something straight. Pete, when you said you law enforcement, what do you mean you law enforcement?
SPEAKER_01Like you you like law enforcement. I don't say that.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so you didn't come in because like you privy. Because I'm sure my age back in the days, you know, I mean, we were assigned security or law enforcement. I was one of them. No, that yeah, that was that's yeah, that was back in the day. That's back when y'all were what you're saying is you like law enforcement, not that you are law enforcement, right?
SPEAKER_0788 Pete, it was an 88.
SPEAKER_0388. Oh 88.
SPEAKER_01I remember when DC got jumped by some midgets. Tony Boxing in the building.
SPEAKER_07Damn, uh, they must have been jabbing his knees.
Arctic Lessons, Uniform Pride, And Culture
SPEAKER_03Hey, hey, hey, Gooch, you tell them how I was phoned people up in the club.
SPEAKER_01Where I know that was I know that was true.
SPEAKER_03I know that they mentioned that at my retirement. Hey, I would phone people up, man. Shoot, can we straight bully? I was the first Broad Street bully.
SPEAKER_01Can we pause from the show for a minute?
SPEAKER_07Oh, here we go. I already know what you're about to say.
SPEAKER_03Scott, it's all good. It's been a minute and a half.
SPEAKER_07You know, they're gonna come down and 28-3. Yeah, just to remind you. 28-3.
SPEAKER_01We just gotta hold them for a minute 44. That's it.
SPEAKER_07It's a reminder. We're gonna see that. Let's see.
SPEAKER_01Not not degrees at 88, though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but first, I didn't wear the green fatigue joints, man.
unknownYou know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03I would argue, see, we were wearing, we didn't have the defensive forest patch when I came in. We had the Magic Cobb joints, the metal boxes.
SPEAKER_01God, I seen those white pictures.
SPEAKER_07In the historical portion, right?
SPEAKER_03I see my ACC joint and my strategic command joint. Now, I mean, yeah, you might want to go.
SPEAKER_01You might want to go to Lackland. They might have your picture in the security forces museum somewhere. No, they do, but they might do with the M16. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03That's probably we didn't have no, we didn't have no M4s A2s. We just had the straight M16 before Ogmatese was using them joints, man.
SPEAKER_01Long time, y'all didn't have A2s.
SPEAKER_03Nope. A ones first came in. Yep, A1s, baby.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03Yes, that Wes. I remember that, bro. That's why let P have his fun because in a minute and a half, he's gonna be disappointed. I don't know why. He should be used to it.
SPEAKER_01And we went for two and got it. Yo, we ain't playing with these boys. We ain't playing with these boys. We ain't playing with these boys. George Garcia said, yo, that's my mentor. I don't know if he's talking about me, about you.
SPEAKER_07I'm sure he's talking about Scott, man. Yeah, yeah, Scott. That's my guy, man. That's my that was my first shirt, man. Like that man, I go to bat with that dude anywhere.
SPEAKER_03Scott, speaking of that, speaking of mentors, you know, security forces along with maintainers have a stigma about being a rough career field that you know they eat their own. You ascending into the ranks become the chief master sergeant. What do you tell young troops that end up in security forces open general or through some other circumstances and they don't like being in the career field? What do you tell them to keep them motivated?
SPEAKER_07Man, that's a great kind of question. Um, because it's no different than getting folks to show up to training and want to want to train, right? And they're security forces. So uh the toughest thing is usually when they come in, they got a first-term am and I break that down to them, right? You have the right to train. We can't take that away from you. So you can always go do that. But what I need you to do is be part of this team, be part of this this family, the extended family for the time being. Um, and when your time opening, your your windows opens up, then we'll help you proceed and get in and make that next stop. But while you're in here, I need you to be great at the foundations and the foundations of what SF and Defender looks like, right? And if you do that right, the transition to get you to where you want to go is very easy because you already set the tone and you have that credit score. I talk a lot about human credit score. Your credit score goes the wrong way when you talk about getting things across the line. People will put a little bit more effort when you have an 800 credit score compared to the 400, right? So that's a conversation I have a lot of time. And some sometimes they just they fall in love with it, sometimes they don't, and sometimes they cross-train uh Philly, as you know, who's been in the in the in the in the career field. So it is tough, man. I think trying to teach people or keep people motivated on something where they can't see the bigger mission is by far the hottest challenging to do. Um you know, I I I can't you can't measure motivation. I it's it's impossible for me to measure like because you ain't never gonna make everybody happy. You want to make someone happy, go sell ice cream. That's that's the only time you want to, you know. So like it's it's it's a continual process, right? Um, but it's it's the same thing with training. Getting SF defendants to try to do training and then and get after it is tough as well.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so let me stay on that topic because I'm anti-training for the most part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. I I will not be uh uh uh somebody who says something and doesn't do what I say. I do not like FS training at all, SF training at all. It bothers me to a can I interject?
SPEAKER_03I just want to make sure I'm clear. When you say you don't like SF training, are you saying you don't like it, but you think it's necessary, or you don't like it and you don't think it's necessary?
SPEAKER_01That's a great question. And I uh I will take it both ways. It depends on what training it is. Some training I don't like and it's not necessary, some training I don't like, but it is very necessary, and some training I just actually like that, don't mind and enjoy. But there is, I think, a lot more, I say about 60 that is unnecessary training. And I hate to use the the time because you were an instructor at uh or over the schoolhouse at Bliss, right? For a time.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, the RTC, yeah, the schoolhouse, uh, the 343rd is where Wes is at, right? Uh Fort Bliss is all RTC pre-deployment related, right? Or your sniper, your CPEG, your ADM, your Suez, your ESS, anything or your anything that's the that gets you an SEI is probably gonna be at Bliss. Your combatives, right? Acer, I know we're we outdated ourselves. Acer was down there right as well. Uh active shooter incident course that turned into legal ed, that turned into whatever it is now. I I can't remember off the top of my head.
SPEAKER_01So yeah. So how how do you get that across to your defender? Or is it just some people like me who just ain't gonna like it? You just kind of throw us to the wayside, or is there something that you could do to kind of help motivate them to see the bigger picture?
SPEAKER_07I'm big believing on getting the ones that don't want to be there because to me they're the change, they're the change agents, right? As in, like the most important. If I can get you to get to buy in, then you're gonna get everybody else to buy in because usually that negativity that spreads, right? Are you the vitamin C or you the germ? And if I can get you to turn into the vitamin C, man, I think like man, I can pull you. If I can get him to buy in, then he's gonna he that little circle around him, his little his E4 mafia, what that look like, then I'll get everybody else to buy in. So I I probably put more emphasis on you, to be honest, right? And try to get you the why and why we're doing things. And it's not all I'm not always gonna win that, but sometimes that respect uh will go a long way because I took the time to explain to you why we're getting after it, right? Um, I think I think training is uh by far the most important, man. I hear I hear someone say this all the time. It's like you don't rise to the occasion, you rise to the lowest level of your training when things hit the fan, right? So you know, Bruce Lee has a dope quote that says, Man, don't fear the man that practices a thousand moves, fear the man who practiced one move a thousand times, right? And we can't get sometimes the simple things right.
SPEAKER_01So I think it's kind of sorry to interrupt. I think that hits the nail on the head for me. We practice so much random stuff, and it's like if we could just get good at three or four things, I think we'd be a lot better. But we, I mean, I couldn't tell you how many times we train changed not only what we practice, but the way we practice one thing that led to another. Now, technology is a thing, right? You know, we innovate and stuff like that. You know, vehicles get better, and you you gotta train like that. But the foundation of training from when I came in to where it's at now before I left seems so totally different. I can't keep up.
SPEAKER_07It is. I mean, they they you know, we're a master, uh jack of all trades, master of none because they got us so spread out. I mean, Suez shouldn't be blonged to cops, man. That's a that's a flying type type deal, right? But yet that's an additional duty that I gotta sit someone to sit in front of a screen 24 hours a day to monitor that on top of my alarm on or on top of my beat off controller. I mean, I well, they're spreading us thin and we're doing it with less people. I agree with you. I don't have the answer for that. I mean, that's way above my pay grade, but it is it's tough, brother. It's it's tough to get after the fundamentals. But what they did do right, right, is they took their 219 hours that we had that was mandated, they brought that down to 56, and it's made it's it's more focused on mission related now. So if you have the new face, you're gonna focus on security. Why are we talking about law enforcement? That's not your lane, right? You know what I mean? So they they have switched that to give the power back to the commanders, but training is only as good as your imagination, so like it has you got to have the right person in there, man. You're talking about talent management. I man, we talk about it so much, but sometimes we don't manage, you know, you can put that in there, and uh putting the right person in training, right? I think the weapons of tactics guy should be in training instead of in standoval, right? That's just my personal opinion. If they're tactically sound. Man, take them and let them be creative because they gotta be. Put them in training as your NCOC, and and I think you get paid, you get paid a little bit more on the back end with those cats. This because they're already hungry, right?
Law Enforcement vs Security: Finding The Grey
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I agree. I I he made a great point there. I think he said uh Scott, when you're saying you put your best people in training, I find the most effective training I've ever experienced was you had sharp trainers in there. A couple of people come to mind. Sarge Davis went in Yakota. Hey, Yakota, he was good. Sarn Blackman. A lot of people I can think of it seemed like they were only there just to get speeding past it, and then they ask you to do the stuff, and the coach made a field goes tied up. Anyway, sorry about that interruption. So here we go. 25 seconds left. Here we go. But anyway, let me I'll put a bow on it. I think the key, like you said, the key is to have people who have not only are well knowledgeable in the craft of security forces, but has has an investment in making sure the people not only receive the material, but they understand the material.
SPEAKER_07Yes, they gotta be credible, Philly. You can't have some fat person telling you I need to do SMC or shit.
SPEAKER_04You better be credible.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, man, and they and they're getting after it and they're respecting. Folks are gonna want to follow that. You're not trying to follow someone that you can't get with. Yeah, great point.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you an Air Force question. Uh, how do you feel about the promotion system? Do you like the way it was probably five, maybe 10 years ago, or the way it is now, especially when you're talking about techs going to masters or masters going to seniors?
SPEAKER_07I think the the techs going to masters, I think they got that right when they went to the board, right? It's a senior NCO tier. And if they if you're in that tier, you should your record should be getting getting looked at. As in the text to the staff to text, um, senior am of the um senior am of the staff, where you can test out, I mean, that puts some ownership on you. You know, the folks, what you always hear about, like they think everybody needs, they think they need a promotion statement. And I always tell them you don't need it for senior am of the staff or staff to tech. I mean, a lot of that you control, you get points for your decorations, you can you can study, right? And and you're gonna put that time in. Uh, as in for text to masters, I do agree with the board system. I don't know if that's the question that I'm I think you're asking or if I'm answering that question.
SPEAKER_01More or less of the stratifications and the promotion side.
SPEAKER_07Whew. Yeah, I think it's tough. I think it's uh man, this is a tough one because as someone that tested for to master the senior, and the that was the last time we we studied. I think it's a blessing, but then it's a curse as well, right? Because like you're you're sometimes we're promoting paper warriors, and then in the back in the day, we're we're promoting, you know, I don't say how that what's the word I'm looking for, like book warriors, right? Like folks that can be in the books and score 90s, right? I it's a balance of both. Maybe you add both to it. I think if you had both looking at records and folks, that's I mean, I think you can get it right that way. But I don't disagree with it. I I think it's it's more challenging, but I think both, if you incorporated both, hone some ownership on the person that is testing and hone some ownership on what they've been doing on paper. I think you get it right that way, you know.
SPEAKER_01Nah, hey, I appreciate Scott Roy bringing the people in here. We got 25 people in here watching. He said, make make Roy say difficult words, please. What's a difficult word?
SPEAKER_06Anything with more than two syllables.
SPEAKER_01Hey, you can't see him, and I can't, you can't say him and I can't read them. So you ain't never lies. You freaking hater. I think that was a hate.
SPEAKER_03I think that was a compliment. Yeah, I think it was too. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_03You already all getting all getting your panties about it.
SPEAKER_01We had the Leah, of course. We lost it. We go into overtime. We ain't won an over last overtime we gave we played was against the fucking Patriots. Where we lost, but anyway, yeah, yeah. Sorry, fam. No, sorry. Stand up, but uh no, I agree. I I think it's uh a hard one with the stratifications. And um, do you think those things demotivate people to try to stay in?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, because what happens is you know, man, some folks think you owe them something, man. And and that's sometimes because you know, we have been in the in this air force where you know we I feel like we're giving trophies to everybody, and everybody thinks they deserve something. Like, I mean, look at where we went with the dressing appearance, we opened that up, right? And then when you do that, folks think like they they you owe them something, or this is the way it should it should be, not knowing the way what we grew up, or maybe what we think of what right looks like. So, you know, having that high feedback was sometimes, I mean, I just had that another one with my one of my senior NCOs the other day, and it was some tough feedback, and he was like, Yeah, I don't know which more I can what what more can I do, Chief. And I'm like, Hey man, are you the wing senior NCO of the year? Nah, I was like, Well, we can start there, right? I was like, You want me? I was like, You can start there, and I'm not telling him to go chase Chase Wood. No pause on that, right? I'm not telling him to go do that. What I'm telling him to do, man, is this you can always be better. How are you telling me you're the number one guy? You should be the number one out the group, but yet you get another senior NCO, is the wing senior so of the year. You could get repeated with him. So I think it's tough, man. Um uh, because just some some people feel like they're entitled to some things, and and people in this day and age rather be their homeboy instead of being their supervisor. And and you got chiefs coming in, and and we uh as chiefs sometimes gonna play the backfield and give them the real talk because their supervisors couldn't, and or why hey, did you hold them accountable? Yeah, I talked to them. I was like, they think paperwork is a is the end of the world, paperwork is administration, right? That is literally to rehabilitate you to correct the issue that is at hand. It's not a deal, it's not a you know, it's not a showstopper, and like they just sometimes some folks are scared to have that strong feedback, man. And so it can be frustrating, Pete. Man, but like you know, I'm telling you, as Philly probably knows in them in those conversations, man. We get to play like we we heard it all and we've been there a thousand times, and trying not to get emotional, right? Emotional intelligence is a real thing. Uh, but some of that is very frustrating.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Jamie Rivera says promotion system is tough, but wing wing CCs control the promotion of career fields.
SPEAKER_03He said wing C what does he mean by wing commanders control promotions career fields? What does that mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you got to elaborate.
SPEAKER_03I kind of lost all now because wing commanders they control the stratifications within the wing, but they don't control the promotions within career fields. Now, I've had situations where they would look at full transparency. I've had cases where certain commanders will look at and say, This individual is in a more tougher career field to get promoted than this person, this person has more of a chance, and they will swap stratifications. Yes, and they would only do that because they're so neck and neck. Then I've had cases where commanders will say this person's better than this person, but this person was stratified last year, and if we drop them, what does the board think? And then it will flip them. I think I agree with everything you said, Scott. The only thing I would add is that the the the gymnastics of figuring out what the board thinks. The board seems like it's some wizard of vibes behind the curtain. That's what I'm saying. Does the board favor deployments? Does the board favor this trainer? Does the board favor the if you have a master's degree or doctor degree? It's just like you're you're shooting in the dark. So for chiefs just like yourself, and you're giving somebody feedback because either they didn't get stratified, or more importantly, they didn't make it. What can you tell them? Especially I love when people went to like on the board, you can only tell them so much. They were like, Hey, we're gonna have Chief Master Counsel come to us and give us feedback on the board. He was on the board, y'all. And the first thing I say is, Hey, I'm gonna give y'all the briefing. This is all I can tell you.
SPEAKER_07Yep, it's all I can tell you.
SPEAKER_03What good is that gonna do? Right, right.
SPEAKER_07It's like we already knew the answer. Like, I heard this before.
SPEAKER_03I'm just gonna tell you guys, we look in e-boss, we look at your EP, y'all like, bro. I know this already. I want the T. Did you guys say somebody was better because they had a master's degree, or somebody was better because they had CPEC? Give me the T.
SPEAKER_07I want to know the scoring system. How did you score this? You know what I mean? Like, what get extra credit? What did it?
SPEAKER_03So that's a great, you know what? That's a great segue. So I want to ask you you know, in high school, like when you go out for the football team, basketball team, you're a certain sport, and then at the end of the day, and then the school day, they will have a list posted on the board of all the people who made the team. Do you think it should be the same way with stratifications? Like it should be public for everybody.
SPEAKER_07Hell to the yes, yeah, but they ain't ready for that smoke because people ain't ready into that. Let's be honest, Philly. Nobody wants to face that because then you go explain to them why this member was at eight and their boy that they thought was nothing under that four. You you you gotta be built that way. Certain, some some folks is built that way, some folks ain't. And sometimes you're those those folks in those positions, as we both know, are real political. And just want to give you the Air Force answer. You want to ask me, I'll give it to you. Nah, man, you're eight.
SPEAKER_01You don't eat that dude.
SPEAKER_07You just ain't missed you, you ain't there yet. Yeah, you think you were, but you ain't.
SPEAKER_01And I think Wes said the same thing. Wes said, uh, why is it such a mystery? And that's my question. Is it just why is it such a mystery?
SPEAKER_07Because they don't they they they because they're not allowed to give that in information. It I that's yeah, I feel like they're they're tied, but you get someone that's about to retire, man, they'll break all that down for you, right?
SPEAKER_01Right, yeah, exactly. Tell you where you were at. Uh, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03I agree with Thomas White comments. He said it'll be anarchy. I agree. And to Scott's point earlier, not everybody's built that way. Some people, yeah, a lot of hurt feelings. I agree. Some people would I say I'm 50-50. I must admit, I would feel a certain kind of way if I looked on the sheet and I saw Pete ahead of me. I'm like, what the duck does this dude got? Yeah, like bro, like I got a bachelor's degree. This dude ain't got the same bachelor's degree from the different university. Yo, I went to ASU. This dude didn't go to ASU. How come he's ahead of me? I got like this dude, only got two more push-ups than me. How come he's ahead of me? Right, you know what I mean? So some people can look at it be like, Look, I need to do better. I get it. You know what, Scott? That's that dude, man. That dude won two security forces annual awards, and this dude is fire when it comes to training. I gotta get, you know, I'm not as good as him. I got it. He deserves it. There are rare times where I've seen that where people say, you know, this dude won an award, hey, or that girl won an award, hey, solid, man. But you rarely see it. What's that comment?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Debbie said there have been some board members that have really broken down the board and provided quantitative information regarding DSD stats, etc., which was beneficial, but it has been far and few in in between.
SPEAKER_07Facts. I agree. It's the folks that are willing to have that information, not worrying about the the backlash they might get from it, just keeping it 100. You, I mean, you don't have too many leaders out there. That's that's the truth.
SPEAKER_01So let me ask you a question. Both of y'all can answer this is there certain people that you can keep it 100 with, and certain people like this might not be the move to tell them because not because of the information, but because of how mature they are to take the information.
Motivation, Training Philosophy, And Buy-In
SPEAKER_07I think it depends, Pete, right? So, as an instructor, right? Know your audience is one thing they tell you know your audience on where you can go. But uh Colin Powell said the best, right? The best leaders in the world can take any type of information and make it relatable to everybody in the room, right? Those are the dopest leaders, right? So I think you adjust the way I talk to someone I know that I'm cool with, I can swear, give it keep it 100, like, yo, bro, you ain't there. But the ones that are sensitive, you know, the ones, right? You gotta adjust it, be like, hey, now it's a little bit more. You this you gotta work on this. This is what you was missing, right? Um, you're missing this, you're you're weak in this area, and you it's a different conversation. It's a different conversation you have with Philly when you're offline than you do when you're online. It's just you have to adjust, man. It's just an adjustment. It you still relay the same information, but you can't probably be as straightforward to the person that you have a rapport with. Because I can tell one of my guys, hey, you look like trash, and he'll feel some type of way, but like, hey, I'm I'm gonna go get my hair cut today, Chief. And he gets it. But if I say to a sense of the person, yo, Chief is rude, like he's like very aggressive or abrasive. That's the word they like to use, abrasive. So I just know your audience on what you can get. But the information is the same.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Amber Green said that part. Know your audience sometimes is about delivery. Yeah, I suck with delivery. I suck with delivery, I do the wrong delivery.
SPEAKER_03I concur, I I concur.
SPEAKER_01I didn't need an amen. Amen wasn't necessarily praise to my Lord.
SPEAKER_03I concur to my stuff, but you know, I do I will say, here's the dangers, and I think Thomas White, if I'm not mistaken, uh, you know, mentioned that. West says everyone says they want candid feedback, exactly. So that's that's what I was gonna say. So you have people I call box checkers. If you tell somebody, like, look, case in point, you tell somebody like, remember you be in um I don't know, a PME class, and let's say you're about to do an assessment, and somebody goes in there and do the assessment, they'll come back to you, be like, Yo, what did you do? Oh, I did this, this, this, this, this. What are you gonna do? You're gonna do the exact same thing they did because you're gonna expect the same outcome, a pass, or whatever you might get. It's the same for promotion. If you told somebody like, hey, look, these 10 people got promoted because they had this, this, this, this, did this, did this, do that, did this. You're gonna most people are gonna do the same exact thing, rinse and repeat. And that's not what we're trying, that's what we're trying to avoid. Because when you do that, you set a precedent. Because it's like, if you, if you you're gonna get a strat if you get annual award for the wing, people are gonna be killing themselves. It's gonna be like fight club trying to get the annual award, but then you have cases where people get an annual award and they don't get stratified, it's somebody else, but they never won an annual award. So, what you don't want is box checkers. I I agree.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I agree. Chief Bouden said, I agree with you, Pete. She always tells me my delivery is trash, but we're working on it, just not in the moment. We work on it outside the moment. I need to work on it in the moment. That's my problem. That's definitely my problem. Hey, uh, so Scott, give me one of the or two or three, or however many you want, leaders that shaped you to who you are today, whether uh, you know, when you were airmen, staff sergeant, or to where you are now.
SPEAKER_07Man, the first one uh was uh in in Anchorage. I told you someone took some took a little bit of interest in me. And then after that, I kind of blossomed, right? Was a massar Morgan, um, white dude, right? Kind of didn't think we had anything in common, really didn't think the dude liked me, to be honest, right? Because I was like, I thought I was the coolest kid coming out of New Bedford, you know what I mean, New Bedford, Massachusetts. And the way I acted was I was too cool to do anything that was like uh exceeds most, if not all, right? If that makes sense. Um, he took after me after that. I hit it, hit a roadblock after that, and then I would say, uh man, there's a lot to to there's a lot to give credit to, but uh Boston Alexander, Corey Ship, um, a lot of them happen. Yeah, a lot of them happened uh when I was at Pete, man. I hit a rail bump in Pete. Um that kind of blended in for almost three years straight. It went from Pete to to Buckley, and not until I left Space Force, I got a like a clean look, right? Some of it's self-inflicted, brother, right? And I'll be transparent. I think some of us don't own to that. Some people don't own to like you can stole pub your own career by the way you act, and that's why I said make it hard for myself. So, like um Alexander in Boston and Corey Ship and that team down there was was was legit. And man, the people and then this folks that's under you, right? Like uh George Garcia is on here right now. Big pottery. When I when I hit rock bottom, man, he was right there for me. He was there as an undershirt, then he got his diamond, he was there for me as shirt, and he was a master, and I was a senior at the time. But I would sit there and bounce some things, so like it's it's un it's unorthodox, right? To have someone that's under you that can be a mentor to you as well. But man, when you take the stripes off, man, we're all human beings, right? We're the same. I don't think uh stripes matter. So man, there's a lot of people I can give credit to. Um, but man, it's the ones that held me accountable, to be honest. And you know, what the one that probably gets it the most is my wife. Um, because man, she tells me when I'm like I'm off, when I spell something, when I'm posting something, man. Like, I mean, she's on my head for everything, yeah. Everything, yeah, you know what I mean. Like the most accountability, man. What I would give that shout out to her without a doubt, man. Like, because uh she checks me more than I've ever been checked in my life, and it's probably like made me a better human being, better husband, better, better wingman, better dude, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01That's what's up.
SPEAKER_07That's what's up.
SPEAKER_03Hey, so Scott, so with all the craziness that's going on, all the different policy changes we've experienced in the past year, you name it, you know. I always said to myself, man, you know, being in this current you know, space of my life now, I always say to myself, like, it's gotta be hard being a leader now these days to take care of people, you know, in this in this environment. So I'm curious, like, have you changed anything in the way you approach how to take care of folks uh in your liege, or is it the same? Yeah, it'll be difficult to what do you what do you do? And some advice you would give to young leaders that's in this predicament who may not have the years and experience you have.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I I think your your credit again, right? Your credit score goes a long way in rooms when you're trying. And I mean to be honest, Philly and Pete, man, you gotta pick the you get to pick the hills you're willing to charge, man, because not every hill is willing to charge. And I think once you learn that, you play chestnut checkers, man. You you charge a hill for every time, man. Like you have no credibility, it's just like the wolf, right? Um, so you get to pick and choose when it's important, man. I just had something with this government shutdown. We have to get like uh a two-star agreance to get our guys TDY. Wrote this memorandum, gave all the essays. It's it's right for the airmen, right? It's right for these two NTOs and two different units. I'm trying to do that for. Boom, they come back with questions. We need more answers. I'm like, all right, so send them an email with a three-star general that approved it, right? It's not even our money, it's not even AFDW's money, none of that, but yet we're getting all this pushback. I mean, there's a point where I'm like, is it worth the squeeze at this point? Am I burning all my all my all the cards I have in my back pocket? Because like, this is the right thing to do. It's not our money, it's just the folks coming out of AFDW that's gonna go to this. Man, about four emails that my you know, my boss, my colonel was like, Hey, look, we're just gonna pull this back, but I think he's still gonna consider it. We got it across the line, Philly, at the end of the day, right? Got it across the line Friday, they leave on Sunday, so now I gotta rush these cats in to do their DTS and push them out. But was that was that the right thing? Then I get texts from both of these NCOs, like, hey Chief, I appreciate it. I heard what you was doing, blah blah blah. Man, this was dope. And what we always say, Philly, is like, yo, that's what we're supposed to do. Ain't no E10. I think we get lost in that sometimes. Everybody thinks there's a promotion after this, man. I'd rather burn that all day long. That's why we're here. We're here to be the what you know they call it the system leader, leader, but um, I think it's just more of like fighting for what's right, man. We have to stand the gap, man. Because a lot of times when I was in those positions, folks didn't want to stand the gap for me because they didn't want to cause ruckus because they were kind of trying to be a group chief or a command chief. Man, blump all that.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, the menace with the money.
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SPEAKER_02Give up the game to the close. Close the close to the close control.
SPEAKER_01Um, Jonathan Taylor went for three touchdowns and 240 fucking yards. Like he got that AP or something. What the hell going on? Jonathan Taylor looked like a goddamn Super Bowl MVP on us. And we got Bijan Mustard. Anyway, anyway. Appreciate that. Uh Charles Davis has a question. Shout out, Charles Davis. He said, Uh, could you go into and give an example of what made it hard for you? And would you go back and change, or do you believe it's your it or the situation made who you who you are? Sorry about the reading.
SPEAKER_07No, no, no, man. So I think we talked earlier, Pete, and you was talking about like maybe the questions would be like things that you might regret. Yeah, right. I don't regret anything. I think things happen the way they're supposed to happen to make you grow in positions that make you uncomfortable. You got to be uncomfortable to grow in any situation. So looking back, do I wish I could have dings better or been smarter? 100%. I think we'd be lying to ourselves. So you believe that if you can change something, you wouldn't want to go back and change it. But looking at where I'm at today, I probably wouldn't fight as hard, or I probably wouldn't care as much, or I probably wouldn't try to get something across the line if I didn't go through that struggle. Rock bottom teaches you lessons, the mountaintop never will. Like, I mean, like being there, you're not gonna get those type of lessons. And every lesson is an L, right? I think uh push a T said the best is L's in every lesson because you gotta take a you gotta take an L, right? To to to learn something. You don't learn things from when you win, you learn it when you when you take an L and you get a back off. So, like, man, would I change it? Hell no. I'll be me to the day I retire. You're gonna get Roy, Chief Roy, Roy, you're gonna you're gonna get it straightforward. And a lot of folks don't like that, but there's a lot of folks that do. I'm not trying to be everybody's friend, I'm not trying to be everybody's mentor, I'm not trying to be everybody's uh a go-to. I'm just trying to be me and do the best I can and take care of folks that did that took care of me and give back. And I really mean that. I mean, that sounds that sounds like some things you read up in uh in a leadership book, but that that's who I am, and I think that that you'll get that. And then the folks you talk to will probably get that from me as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, last question for me before I let you go and let Philly get one in too before we let you go watch football. But uh, what is one thing that you can remember? One time where you were just like, was there a time I should ask that, when you were like, I just can't do it no more? Like, I'm ready to call it quits, I'm ready to go. When was that time? If that time happened, and what changed your mind? Man, last week.
Talent Management And Credible Instructors
SPEAKER_07Right. Uh I went to my chief, uh, one of my guys, I vent to my group chief, and I was like, Man, yo, I'm I'm over this, man. Like, this is this makes no sense to me, man. And like, why are we making things more difficult than what it is? But I think the military does that sometimes, right? But if I let that get to me, you know, they say when the most passionate person in the room gets quiet, you should be concerned. And I was to the point where I didn't want to talk, man. I was just like, yo, I'm over this, I'm done. My boss came to me, my my direct commander was like, Yo, you good? I was like, I'm good. He was like, You're not. I was like, I'm just frustrated, like, I'm very disappointed in how the system plays out. Why are we making things difficult more than what it is? So, I mean, you're gonna go through those times for time. It's the same time like you were just talking about you recovering from your injury, right? Your surgery, going back to the gym. Sometimes you don't want to go, but that consistency and that and that that forward progress keeps you on that, keeps your why. And sometimes you should have revert back to that. I mean, I got here. No one thought I'd be a chief. No one, I promise you. Not not with my background. If I give you what my uh my criminal record shows you while in the military and out of the military, you'd be like, There's no way this guy made it here, right? So I'm here now, I'm trying to do the right thing and be better for that. So uh man, it comes and goes, brother, but it's just like you don't want to go to the gym, just like you don't want to get up to get up early, you don't want to go make your bed, you don't want to wash these dishes, clean your weapons, it's all those things, man. We all go through that, but you gotta get through that because it's it's just just who you are, um and you can't fall off the X, man. You just stay the path, man, stay true to you. No, Billy, what you got?
SPEAKER_03All right, so Scott, um you know, I think in my time meeting all kinds of airmen that are security forces, you have some that feels like through different different types of comments, like whether it be internally or externally, about you know how security forces is and how they treat people and the type of work we do, you know, being at the gate, walking around the aircraft, counting rivers, you you fill in the blank. And what I've always told, especially when I left the career field, is that the importance of being a cop. Like when I first came in, they used to tell us this saying, Don't confuse your rank with my authority, right? And in some ways, do I think that has gone to the wayside? Maybe we can debate that one. But one of the things I would like to tell them, I always tell them is it's like if people say that, look at how many leaders that are cops that are serving outside of security forces. Yeah, Chief Wolf, that's what I was gonna ask you. What are your thoughts about Chief Wolf, a security forces guy, being the new Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force? This is the third in history.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, uh, I think it's I thought he was gonna be there before Chief Flossy. No shade to Flossy, no shade to flossy. I thought he was gonna be that guy, and I remember Chief Wolf because he's a Alaskan guy. He likes to be. I mean, he's a big from first time walking to his office, and uh you know, he's a big hunter and he had this big bear rug. I'm like, first time I seen something like that, I'm like, what the hell? Right. Um, but I think it's the right thing. I think they're they're trying to turn it. I it's good for us, but Philly, as you know, as a command chief yourself, yo, they they they strive for our leadership when it comes to defenders. It's the reason why we're in ALS. It's it, I mean, they every instructor will tell you, man, I love when defenders come in here, they just got it together. We lean on them for everything. Als, PME, anything you name it, we we do that. Yeah, do we have our do we have some folks in the career field that don't do the right things? Yeah, 100%, but we also have more than anybody else in that other in the other career field. So more people, more issues, right? But when it comes to our leaders, man, we we we got it right. It's the reason why those folks are at the top, man. And and I'm I'm excited about that. Uh I'm excited to see what he brings to the table. Um, because I know him, he's for me personally, straightforward. Crazy that they're both both coming off retirement to come knock that out, but that gives folks hope, man. I'm not saying that anybody gonna go chase and be chief master of the air force, but man, I'm I'm I'm glad he's there. I feel like we need it, and it's a good example that yo, we do this leadership. I mean, we some of us might not have degrees, but we get a PhD in leadership when it comes to shit like that, right?
SPEAKER_03And real quick, three if you had a chance, three things wishless you would like for the new SimSAF to change or fix. Three things.
SPEAKER_07Oh right, you want to talk about promotions? Um, okay, I won't even go there. Let's not talk about that. Let's talk about PT. All right, let's let's talk about PT. I think PT should play a part in our promotion system. That's just even in 100, right? Like, you want the person to look the part, be the part. So, but yeah, we're gonna we're gonna promote this guy that got a 76 on this PT test, and we're supposed to be an author of core values, excellence. All you do, you get a 76, and you're gonna be promoted to the top two or one percent. I don't agree with that. I think it should be included. PT needs to be included. If you're pushing PT, like everything else, it needs to be included in in the promotion system or in awards, right? Security forces already doing it. You can't go up to the MACCOM functional awards without having a full component of your PT test. And if you do, you gotta send a waiver. Tough, tough, debatable, right? Debatable, and then people can disagree with it. But man, I'm on board with that. The second piece, I think we are railing back on the dress and appearance. I think that needs to get to it. If I can't get you to blouse your pants right, I might get you to clean your weapon system correctly and use it at the time, all right? It's just the small things. You can't do the small things, you're not gonna do the big things right. So I think we're coming back to the dressing pants. I think that gets back to it. Um, and and and lastly, uh man, the third one. Man, that's a good question, Philly. The third one. Man, I don't have one, Phil. Like, I really wish I wish. Yeah, Phil, that's tough.
SPEAKER_03Uh, do you think that maybe maybe one of them would be duty identifiers or beards, maybe?
SPEAKER_07Yo, I like it. I like it. Do the identifiers, yeah. Would I like to see that come back? 100%. But let's like not get a uh let's not get crazy with them. I don't think an exec patch needs an exec patch.
SPEAKER_06If you have an exec, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07I don't I don't think that, man. Like, or but uh for for security forces, I'm gonna now I'm gonna spot the sound real biased, right? But cool, be I'm just gonna be with who I am. SF is a is identifier. People will say, Yeah, well, the berets identifier as well, but we don't wear berets in the winter, it gets cold because we're outside all the time. I think the SF is is one to wear it. They will well, you can take off your unit patch and put the defendant badge on that. Ain't nobody seeing your sleeves anyways. Look, people are looking at what the first thing you are. So, in my opinion, like I think identifiers, the beards I give, I give to it doesn't bother me. I don't have a beard, I wash it like I wish to look like P, but or have the council that nice snow white going on. I think that's clean as well, but my comments come and I'll get that. So the bears to me is not important. Um, but the shape and waves are right. I think like we are targeting people, and I think that's wrong. Some folks just have issues, right? And and and it's just the way the hair grows. You look at the history and then how we evolution evolutionize and why our hair is curly, because in Africa it's hot, right? Like, and it's get curly and dense like that, protect your skull. That's the reason why our hair is the way it is, it evolves. If you look at Asians the way their eyes are, it's because in in that type of environment, like the way the sand was out there, so that it was a way to protect their eyes. Our our bodies evolve to all those things, and you are penalizing folks for that. I think that's wrong. So if I was to change that, I hope they look at the the shaving wave shaving waiver person process and like but at the same time where the lot of folks abused it, right? You shouldn't have a shaven wear when you're just growing chin hair. Like that doesn't make sense to me. You know what I'm saying? Like you you're killing for the rest of us, right? So shaving waivers, PT, and then 2903, Philly to answer your questions. Uh, I think the identifiers come back, but I think we just make it make sense. That was good.
SPEAKER_03That was good. Well said, off the hot seat.
SPEAKER_01Well said, Yeah, hey uh I don't know why how you provided a comment. That's kind of weird.
SPEAKER_07What? Oh no, that's that's probably my see. This that's that's the wife right there. See how she put the knife in the end. I like what she's she's fixing my, she must be watching in the other room. I got to combo not the standard snow, right?
SPEAKER_01I got you.
SPEAKER_07I got the sun comes off the snow, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Shout out to Miss Roy. Thank you, Phoebe.
SPEAKER_07After I get off this and let me know I said it wrong, but no, she's gonna put it on blast.
SPEAKER_01Uh, so what can we find Scott Roy doing when you're not doing military stuff? When you're being just Scott, not in the military on the weekend on leave. What can we find Scott Roy doing?
SPEAKER_07Man, I'm a gamer, man. I I love the game, right? Shout out to gamers, you night.
SPEAKER_01Are you a battlefield call of duty?
SPEAKER_07Call of duty battlefields dope, but uh, I'm I'm a big Call of Duty fan. The next one's coming out here shortly, and then uh and fishing. I'm but you know, it's getting cold in the DC area, so fishing's kind of going to the to the wayside right now. But I love to fish and uh love to eat, and I'm a big gamer. Uh, I really enjoy that. It's my pastime.
SPEAKER_01That's do you play online like Call of Duty online, like with friends, like multiplayer and stuff?
SPEAKER_07Some folks I've never met in person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, do you do you use tactics that you learned in the military and try to infiltrate those to your people that you play with?
SPEAKER_07I mean, I'm not saying shoot, move, and communicate if you're asking that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's what I'm asking.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, having hiving the higher ground is always an advantage. I mean, you it's not gonna have an advantage being on the on the on the on the low ground and someone's on the high ground shooting you, like it doesn't work that way. You're never gonna win that battle.
SPEAKER_01It's are you like somebody get the 203? Like, give me some grazing fire or something.
SPEAKER_03First of all, you don't do graze and fire with a two oh three.
SPEAKER_01Somebody the dead space we got the dead space, clear the dead space.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, he said grazing fire with a two oh three. Billy get your boy, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, stolen the balance. I need to go back to Rabino say you failed your QC.
SPEAKER_01Dog handler, man. We don't do that stuff. It's because Pete don't go to train. That's a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_07He you could tell Pete don't go to train. You see the comment, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01100 JB ain't lying. Yeah, I'm a dog handler. We don't do, but are you using those tactics on Call of Duty or nah? It ain't that deep.
Promotions, Boards, And Transparency
SPEAKER_07It's not that deep, but you do communicate. Communicate is a big piece, man. You're gonna know when something's coming through the behind you, or can they have the six, man? I mean, I mean, that's real. Like, but man, you when you're playing, and I play with all the I play with all cops except for my one guy that's back home. Okay, to be honest, like his communication is by far better than any defenders I've been around. Um serious in there, man. I get frustrated. I'm telling you, man, like I'll be cursing folks out. Like I can't be in there with the with anybody in my uh anybody in my unit because I'm wild.
SPEAKER_03No, so you'd be like, you'd be like grenade.
SPEAKER_07No, airstrike, hey airstrike coming in. Let's move. I do be yelling at for the most part.
SPEAKER_06Yo, you like overwatch.
SPEAKER_03Hit the FPL, hit the FPL. I know we talk about stuff you don't know about. Just go with it. Google it. You know, we bitch. You see, bitch, a rally point. That's what K9 know. We don't know what a final protected line is.
SPEAKER_07We don't know what the FPL is. That's right.
SPEAKER_03Yo, that's common of the year.
SPEAKER_01Whatever. Whatever, dude. Oh no, I'll start. I'll start by the end of the show, man. I appreciate you coming on here answering questions, man. Being yourself, I appreciate you accepting the invite, also, man. We knew you had to get it, be one of the first guests in a long, long, long time. So uh really set the bar high and appreciate you coming on here and being real, man. Before we get to you, Philly, what you got?
SPEAKER_03No, I was no. I I agree, it was a pleasure, man. You're always welcome back on the show, man. Keep out, keep grinding, taking care of the troops. So we appreciate you, bro.
SPEAKER_07No, man. Uh fellas, appreciate it. You know, fan for y'all for a long time. Um, I just like it, man. I like the the real conversations you guys have. I think it's legit. And the fact that you're still getting after it is is on another level. So thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, appreciate it, man. And and and keep it pressing. I really looking forward, right? Here's your here's here's a thing for y'all is that retirement that we talked about, what retirement looks like and how to be successful in that, because y'all both go into that transition, man. Set us up for success, man. I'm telling you, a lot of folks out there want to hear that. A lot of folks want to hear that, and uh, yeah, a lot of folks will tune into that because we're trying to get that right as we transition our way out, yeah. Not too far behind y'all.
SPEAKER_01I tell you, like, not talk about what ruin a show, an upcoming show. It it I thought I had it figured out in talking to people you think you have figured out, and there's so many more, so much more that goes into it that you just don't have it. It's very, very weird. The transition is real, and it's not that it's hard or difficult, it's just different, it's just very different, but uh yeah, definitely, definitely.
SPEAKER_07Maybe you get like someone that's been out for a little bit at like uh Samuel Brown, right? We talking about him earlier, right? Right, right and that's been out who's already trained.
SPEAKER_03No, man, he's Samel's living a good life. Every time I see him, he's on the cruise all the time. Yeah, that's all he is on the cruise every two minutes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, gold status or whatever, diamond status, whatever. Yeah, but hey, man, yeah.
SPEAKER_07But no, no. I appreciate it, fellas. And uh man, I'll be here next week.
SPEAKER_01All right, y'all. Hey, we'll let y'all watch your football. Hopefully, your teams don't end up like the Falcons, man. Uh, get your OC coordinators together. Uh, we're probably looking for one in the dirty bird land, but uh stay up, unpopular celebrities. We out, y'all. Peace.
