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From Uniform To Uncertainty Part 4
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The quiet after retirement can be louder than jets. We unpack what really happens when the phone stops ringing, the uniform goes back in the closet, and the identity you built for decades begins to loosen. This is part four of our military-to-civilian series, where one of us is freshly retired and the other is closing in, so you get both sides of the line: how it feels, what to fix, and what to avoid.
We start with the first two weeks—why the silence stings, how to process the loss, and why taking a tactical pause beats rushing into the next grind. Then we pull apart the money piece: switching from two deposits to one retirement check, building a budget that actually works, leave sell-back as a smart buffer, VA disability expectations, and the reality of TRICARE fees and copays. We get practical about timing medical care and documenting conditions so service-connection isn’t a scramble later.
Career-wise, we challenge the default path. Your AFSC is not your ceiling. We map military leadership to roles in HR, operations, project management, training, and compliance, and weigh degrees against certifications that move the needle. We walk through LinkedIn cleanup—civilian titles, metrics that matter, no acronyms—and résumés tailored to the job, not the unit. Networking isn’t just who you know; it’s who knows you, and we share simple ways to build that signal without sounding like a brochure. We also set “red lines” for post-service work—no weekends, limited travel, sane hours—so your second career doesn’t steal the life you just earned.
Finally, we hit the admin that saves headaches: pulling education and travel records, converting logins before you lose your CAC, and lining up referrals and appointments while still in status. If you need momentum, use volunteering or nonprofit work to build credibility and connections in your next lane. Keep three mentors close, protect your mental health, and remember: your first civilian job isn’t your last one.
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Cold Open And Live Setup
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Hosts, Series Context, And CTA
Part 4 Focus: Crossing Into Retirement
SPEAKER_02Peace, human beings. Peace, peace, peace, human beings. It's your boy, Philly DC, here on another lovely Sunday. The Lord, the day the Lord has made, we thank you for being here with us. Whether you're working out, uh to watch the games, cooking up some grist eggs and bacon, or maybe you were at church and you got us in one ear, and on the other side of the ear, you had a sermon either way. We appreciate you being here with us on this lovely Sunday. Like I said before, I am Philly DC. This is Pete, who is also the engineering. We have Jessica Player and Dell Brown is our members as well. We are your unpopular celebrities team with another podcast. So if this is your first time joining us, welcome. We ask that you make sure before you hit the door, like, share, and subscribe. Also on all of our social media channels: IG, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch, whatever. Also, if you're the type person you would rather hear our voices rather than see our ugly mugs, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify as well. Drop us a like, let us know how you like the show and how we can improve it. Every suggestion is always taken into account and executed on, as always. We have a great show for you today. If you missed the last three shows, never fret. Like I said a few seconds ago, you can catch those shows on YouTube via video on Apple Podcasts on the audio. We are talking about military transitioning to civilian life. This is part four of the series. Again, we did the three parts, the past previous shows, uh the past three Sundays, and this is part four. This may be the last show on this topic. It depends on how far we go. Um, in all honesty, it is a very large subject, a vast subject. There's so many things to get into, but we're gonna do our best today. We have a couple of different topics we're gonna talk about. Um, out of the two of us, P has already transitioned, officially crossed over into the Bright Sands or the Burning Sands retirement dome. He has his 214 or whatever ID card and all that. He is no longer a member of the Air Force in the active duty capacity. Whereas myself, yours truly, I am still part of the Air Force. So I'm just coming near the end of the part four session. But anyway, enough of that. I'll pause there for your comments before we move on.
Identity Shift And The Silence After Service
SPEAKER_04Nah, good introduction. Uh, like he said, I'm uh I could grow the beard out officially and ain't gotta worry about being called back from now on. Uh, so we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, DD 214 in hand, retirement ID card in hand. Uh a lot of good things, a lot of okay things, a lot of different things. But if you joined us for the last three parts, you know about a little bit about retirement. I think we skipped over some things, but if y'all got some questions while we're going through this, let us know. Charles Davis, thanks for coming in here as always. Great weekend because the Eagles are on the couch. They've been on the couch uh for two weeks now, so it don't matter. Uh, they'll be looking at 2027. The speaking of football, the Atlanta Falcons have signed their new head coach, finally an offensive head coach. So we'll see what happens. Last time we had an offensive head coach, we made it all the way to the Super Bowl where we got waxed by the Patriots. But we'll see if we have a better outcome for this one. We will see. We will see.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, uh, another word on any word on me if they made that other decision about the Falcons.
SPEAKER_04What other decision?
SPEAKER_02Kick them out of the league, Canadian Football League. Any thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so that has came down, and uh, as a unanimous vote, they are going to stay the NFL and in the uh NFC South terrible where we would be the champions next year.
SPEAKER_02I heard you guys are I heard you guys are thinking about enlisting help from all corners of Atlanta.
SPEAKER_04We will take anybody right now. We will take Dominic Peterson from the couch of Phoenix, Arizona to come uh if he can do anything productive for the team. So, anybody we are having open tryouts for the Atlanta Falcons until the start of next year. We're looking for any and everybody.
SPEAKER_02So I heard y'all next y'all next receiver name is Diamond.
SPEAKER_04That's why hey, we'll take her too. Him or her too. Hey, it doesn't matter. We're taking everybody. We want the first female to come play NFL and play for the Atlanta Falcons. If you could play, come on. We take come one, come on. It don't matter, it does not matter.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, that's funny. Okay, we we digress, man. We we can talk football all day, but this is not what this show is about. So we're gonna press on. So, as I said, part four of this series. This is when you finally are about to cross over into I would call the burning sands of retirement, you know. As some of you folks who are retirees that would call DD 214 blanket. Oh, never heard of that. Yeah, shoot all the time. People like, oh, I can't believe this is like this in the military. I, for one, sleep comfortably in my DD 214 blanket.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I have heard that. Yeah, when you put it like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Then you have your folks with your retiree hat that says Iraqi freedom veteran, Afghanistan veteran. I have PTSD, you don't want to mess with me.
SPEAKER_03That's great. I never see that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I thought that would they have some of the t-shirts and stuff, so I thought that was interesting. Curious. Um, it's kind of sidetracked, but it's not. Now that you've transitioned over, do you plan on partaking in some of those no traditions?
SPEAKER_04None of them at all. I even know it's a tradition, but none of them at all. Really? Yeah, I'm not even gonna put veteran on my uh uh license plate. Wow, I won't be putting no bumper stickers, no uh back window plate stickers, none of that stuff, nothing at all. The only way you'll know is if you ask.
SPEAKER_02So you don't foresee yourself at the BX stopping little kids telling them about how the military life is. Yeah, you know what?
SPEAKER_04I might do that for fun. Just for fun, I might try it one time just to see what it feels like. Stop an old first artery. Oh man, I was a shirt. I might do that one time, or a defender, who a defender?
SPEAKER_02I might throw a who a defender out there and just see how the reaction is. You're not gonna pull over to the side, walk up to the game. I'm like, hey, when I was a defender back in the day, we knew our post brief.
SPEAKER_03I ain't gonna mess with none of the defenders at the gate. But oh, if I see you at the BX, it might be old. It might be all if I see you at the Shoppet getting a tornado, it might be old. I might hit you with the hood defender.
SPEAKER_04Devon McCoy, shout out to the Ravens, who also uh got rid of their coach and was quickly signed. But anyway, we won't talk about football. I'll I'll keep digressing.
SPEAKER_02Oh, quick disclaimer, last thing about press. You some of you who may watch this are wondering why I'm wearing this jersey. For two reasons. One, this is Eric Dickerson, one of the greatest running backs of all time. Number two, this is the team I'm rooting for for the rest of the NFC playoffs. They play today, the Los Angeles Rams. Shout out to Matthew Stafford and crew. Now that my unfortunately my Eagles are out, I gotta root for somebody so I can continue watching. So I'll root for the Rams. Which, by the way, we beating them twice. Anyway, that's why I'm wearing the jersey. So we can move on. All right. Okay. Now, first, part four. This phase is talking about like when the structure is gone, structure meaning when you're used to waking up in the morning every day, putting your uniform on, you know you gotta be at work at a certain time, you know you got meetings, whatever you may be, or like some people like Devon McCoy, you got a bunch of pieces of paperwork you gotta push, you know, you ain't gotta worry about that no more. The phone stops ringing, the urgency is gone. Um, to like Pete's point, maybe my point, not Devine McCoy, because he ain't got nobody calling him, but you might have people calling you, needing stuff, whatever, needing your counsel, they may end, and then your identity, which I love, and I'll pause after this is your identity that you carry for decades begin to quietly slip away. Your thoughts.
First Weeks Out: Routine Shock
SPEAKER_04Man, you said that perfectly. That's a very true statement, and uh, it is very weird, I think, on certain levels, when you're used to getting uh phone calls, or when you come in the office and people have questions for you, or you come into work and people have questions for you. That doesn't slowly start to disappear. I think it disappears pretty fast. I think it happens quite quickly. What it does is a very big shock. Uh, not putting the uniform on. Some people say, Oh, it feels good, oh that feels great, but it is definitely different, definitely different. And yeah, I'll just say it's definitely different. But how was it for you once the phone call stopped ringing, or people, you know, stop saying, Chief, damn, I got called a paper pusher? I mean, you kind of are a paper pusher. Uh heard the Eagles looking for a wide receiver with hands. Yeah, possibly. I lead airmen. Well, thank you, thank you, McCoy. Thank you, McCoy. All right, what did your thoughts before we get sidetracked? What is your thoughts on uh not getting phone calls anymore? How was that your first how was your first reaction to that?
SPEAKER_02I shared one of a couple of people I know the first two weeks, you included the first two weeks was tough. No, the first two weeks was tough, it was really tough. I think I mean I've had times in my lifetime where I was in a low period, but that was one of them. It was tough, man. And to the folks out there who might say, like, why would it be tough? Like, man, you hear these stories about why worried about the military? They're gonna move on without you, they don't care about you. And in some cases, I think that's true. But I think for someone who's been invested in it as long as I have, it's true, but you still feel left out. It feels like, you know, your it's like your friends just went on with like you just left your friends behind, and so that's how I felt, you know.
SPEAKER_04I think the best way I could try to explain is like when you left high school, but you still have friends in high school, so you still hear about high school stories and things they do, go to the football games on Friday, and you get classified as that guy who just can't let high school go and blah blah blah. Like, I think it's sort of similar to that, but it is a very weird feeling. How was it for you for not waking up and putting on the uniform?
SPEAKER_02Oh, it was really weird. I'm used to ironing my uniform every day. Yeah, my iron was golly. I think my transfer responsibility, no, the day before that. Yeah, and I miss it. I do.
SPEAKER_04I think it at first it felt good, but then it's just like man, like I ain't got nowhere to go. Like, I ain't got nowhere to go. Luckily, I had a surgery, so I was in convalescence for a while, so I was laid up on the couch anyway. But then it comes to a point where it's just like, man, I like I gotta put on civilian clothes every day. Uh, question from the audience DC, how long were you in?
SPEAKER_0232 years.
SPEAKER_04Ooh, we I told DC he can starch what starch an itch by doing my records. Oh, scratch. Scratch the itch.
SPEAKER_02I never sent you my email. My bad. I'm gonna I'm gonna text it to you now. I'm sorry, man. I was supposed to.
SPEAKER_04D I look at your records if you want, Devon. Don't worry about it. Yeah, don't bother. You might know quick response.
SPEAKER_03Good to go. GTG. It's all I'm gonna send back. GTG. GTG. You don't get an auto response. GTG. GTG. Submit. Hey, good to go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But uh, yeah, so I think the structure is weird to give up. Uh driving somewhere is weird to give up. But uh, I think you kind of you have to don't rush to get over it, but you will have to get over it. But no need for rushing. Hey, if you feel like you still want to go into work, just don't bother people. I think that's the whole thing. Like, if you feel like you want to go in there because you got something to do, like if you want to, if you gotta go do some outprocessing stuff or go to medical or whatever, and you want to pop by your job, I feel like there's no problem. Pop by your job.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm gonna say that's wrong. I guess my approach would be I think it's best that you I'm I I can do I can identify with simmering in it. There's something about accepting your feelings that you're going through, your emotions that you're going through with this transition. I think that's very important. No need to hide it, no need to try to dismiss it, accept it, but then you quickly for me, I had to quickly move out of it because I've had a couple of people share with me before I did my ceremony that this was gonna happen. It hit me like a ton of bricks the first day after the retirement ceremony, everybody was gone. And really, you were the only one calling me. I had like every once in a while, I have some people call me, but you were obviously my dude consistently calling me. Outside of that, that was it. And the silence was deafening. You know, I mean, it was it was it was hard, and luckily, shout out to Wendy, man, she knew this was coming. You know, I told her all the time, I think her buying me a dog and then being involved in my internship at school and going to school. I had to go to work, I had things I had to do, and that kept me busy. That helped me get through it, but yeah, it was hard initially.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it is pretty difficult. Uh, but everybody will get through it how they get through it. So no rush, and it's so weird because, like you said, you had people telling you, and you're like, Yeah, I got it, I got it, but you don't really got it until it happens, and then you're just like, ooh, we, ooh, we, this is all gone, right?
Finances: Paychecks, VA, And Leave
SPEAKER_02And I think um, so this stage also, when you're going through those emotions, I think you're also starting to question whether you made the right decision or not to. Um, I'll start with finances. I think we mentioned in the previous show, when you make this decision, you should already think ahead of time whether financially you're able to do this anyway. You're gonna have to get out sooner or later. No one can stay in forever. But when you make that decision, you have to start thinking you know, one, you're not gonna get a paycheck twice a month anymore. You're gonna get one time a month. Two, there's a possibility of having additional income through VA disability, whatever, but it's not automatic. So that is something for that. And we talked about that in part three of some of the things you can do to help get you to that point because, and maybe you may share some of this, but if you're able, if you have the uh the physical and mental ailments that will propel you to potentially get a high disability rating or the crowning jewel, the true north, the star in the sky 100%. That is a heck of a benefit that you can get to a dad to your retirement outpaws. There, yeah, Charles Davis says, So tell us without telling us, you shed tears. 20 plus is a long time, so I get it. Thank you. Yeah, I did. I I'm not gonna lie, I'll I'll say this and I'll be quiet. Um, yeah, I had a day where I had to let that process it hurt, man. Like it's not the Air Force fault, but it's like think about it, ladies and gentlemen. I came in at 20 years, and that was 20 years the Air Force has been in my life. They've I've had two kids while I'll be in the Air Force. I got my I was married for 30 years. My wife and I have been married for 31 years, going on 32 this year. All of it has been in the Air Force. Traveled the world, deployed, see people die. Good friends of mine, troops of mine passed. It was hard, man. So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Can I uh can we go back to the finance piece real quick? Yeah, I want to put something in perspective for you for your years, but you could do it for your own years. So you have been getting paid on the first of 15. You know how many paychecks you got for 32 years? How many? 832 paychecks. That's quite and consistently, I don't think uh, besides maybe a couple years where it might have been late, or you got a half because of whatever happened. Uh, I don't know if you ever experienced that, but I know for me, I had like a half check one time, and then it came another half a couple weeks later because of what was going on with the shutdown and stuff like that. But uh 832 consistent checks on the first or 15th, and then one day it just stops. So when you get out on the 15th or whatever day it is, you won't get paid. And it is a weird feeling to whether you I don't know how people do their finance, where they get a message that says you, you know, you got whatever amount money add to your account, direct deposit, or you go in there and look, or you're about to pay your bills and you, you know, you see your money, blah blah. It's not there. And anytime a paycheck doesn't come, you go to finance and be like, yo, I didn't get paid. But this is something you have to prepare for, is not getting paid. I have people call me as a shirt. That retired and was like, when am I gonna get paid? When am I gonna get my retirement check? When is it gonna come? It's like, God, dog, like you have to be really prepared. I'm not saying you have to have a nine-month emergency fund ready to go and tap into that, but at least a couple months. Uh, what is your thoughts on selling leave or burning it?
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's a tough one. Because then I'm pretty much saying I was a hypocrite because I would tell you never to sell leave because leave is valuable, it's time off, but I think that thought process changes significantly when you're about to retire. Think you're gonna be you're gonna have plenty of leave, meaning you're not going to work. Right. So if you have at the bottom line, I think you need to budget in. You're gonna need some time to process. Don't sell your leave just to go back to work, and we can get into that in a little bit later as far as folks who retire and they go right to work. But it's a significant financial advantage for you to have some leave 15 days, 20 days, 30 days to sell back. And what they'll do is for some people who are financially savvy who has a significant amount of savings, they may not need to sell leave. But for some of you folks that are living paycheck to paycheck, no, hey, no shame on that game. There's a lot of us doing it, right? But if you're in a strap for money, this is a perfect time to sell back that leave to give you a bit of a buffer.
SPEAKER_04That was gonna be my response. Is if you you said it perfectly. I'm just repeat echo what you said. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, save up some leave, do some skill bridge, or just work until the end and then sell it back. And people will be like, No, it's your leave, burn it, use it, take some time off, handle you some time off. I get it, but don't forget you're not going to get paid. It's going to feel different when you don't get that paycheck. Whatever your paycheck is a thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four thousand, five thousand, whatever it is, it just feels weird. Not getting, I'm not saying you're gonna be in a hole, but it's gonna feel weird. Uh, shout out Chief Hall, who's about to retire. Hey, when'd you retire? I think it's February 6th, but make sure I know because I need to put that in my calendar so I can show up. Uh, having a budget is so important. I'm experiencing that now. I also feel you on the 20 plus years, plus 20 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh Daniel Hall, he's a good dude, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, good dude. So uh, yeah, definitely have that financial piece squared away. And yeah, hopefully you just have that squared away. That's the best thing I can say is have it squared away. February 6th, I got you.
SPEAKER_02If you don't, then now it's time to like, you know. I have this, I I firmly believe sometimes when you make a mistake, especially a long mistake, at some point you got to stop beating yourself in the head and you're gonna have to go to work and come up with solutions. So this goes back to selling your leave. You've got to recognize this early enough so you can make that decision to sell it back into Pete's point. You keep working or whatever, you may have to sacrifice some early time at terminal. Now, if you need the terminal leave because you're relocating or whatever, then factor that in. But if you don't have the savings, selling back that leave may help you out significantly.
SPEAKER_04And I think it's that thing. Uh, hold on, McCoy said, uh, I understand where people come from for about not selling leave, but I look at it the payment as for form of overtime. That's a hey McCoy. That's a great point for everybody who's on here. Read that. It is a form of overtime. And people would be like, I'm sitting at home, I'm still getting paid. Why would I do that? Because the paycheck is gonna stop. You really have to forward think, and it's not gonna stop forever because hopefully you retire with honorable. Hopefully, you get your retirement check. It's not gonna stop forever, but keep yourself a buffer for those 30 days, 15 days that you're not gonna get a paycheck because it just feels weird. It really does, it really does. Uh, you were saying about not going to work uh right away, or about going to work right away. You want to touch on that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, before I get on that, one more thing about the finance piece. Um, you also have to get to a point, and that's I'm kind of getting my head on myself because that's a little bit later. I mentioned you only get one paycheck a month, you know. That's also if you unless you get VA disability, but you only get one paycheck. So if you don't have a budget, I'm not judging you, you're gonna have to start making one now. Because this idea of I'm gonna hold to the 15th to do this and the 20th, you don't have that option. Some people prefer getting one paycheck a month.
SPEAKER_04Some people do that in the military, which is kind of weird to me.
Should You Work Right Away Or Pause
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's weird, but you're really gonna be very have to be intentional on on factoring in that. Now, as far as going back to work right away, I know a couple of good friends of mine who uh I won't mention his name, but it's a gentleman I respect dearly. He's he's very he's a fantastic leader, and he worked to the very end. He took off his uniform the next day he appeared in the suit and was an SES. So he went from an 06 to an SES. So hey, well deserved, super sharp guy, but dang man, like I just feel like everybody's different. Some people like the chase to continue to make money, to continue to have the responsibilities almost like a drug. You are used to being that person, that man, that woman who has that position in that rank, and the idea of you transitioning and not having it is can be very is is very um it makes them afraid to be in that space. But then you have an opportunity, someone's gonna offer you a GS position at either the same rank equivalent or higher, it's very enticing, plus you know, some good money. But I think you've I feel like some people, a lot of people have to take that time to take a pause. There's no need to rush right back in it because I tell you, people who've done 20 or plus years, you think you're not tired, but you are. Some people try to come you try to convince yourself I can keep going, I can keep going. I admire you for that, and I understand that competitiveness because I felt the same way. But after and I went through the week of processing this, I realized this time off has been great for me to be able to process everything I went through. You have you'll find you have hitting emotions, issues, trauma that you didn't realize was there because you suppressed it. And for you folks there in uh special forces community, security forces, or well, any community for that end, you have folks who've deployed things you've seen, you just push it to the side because you was afraid, you know, weapon, you lose your position, somebody's gonna judge you. Now's this time to work through that because what you don't want to do is carry that over to the end and you take off the uniform.
SPEAKER_04Couple key points. Uh, Martin Foster, shout out to him. Do you still got the podcast? And apologize if you do and I haven't seen it, so uh, but hopefully you still do. But shout out to him. He said, I went two months without a paycheck after retirement due to being impacted by shutdown. Possibility sucks. Uh, Josh Hoore Wells. Am I saying that right? Josh Hore Wells. Uh, I pushed out my retirement date a few months just for that financial part. Savings and relocating the family and escaping Los Angeles. Oh, we yeah, that's tough. That's tough. Uh Charles Davis said, I switched to one paycheck or I switched to one paycheck a month a couple of years ago, once I got over 20 to prepare. Smart. I I would hit the financial little button for you, but smart. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Smart, smart. Uh DC, you're right. I'm tired as hell. That's why I have taken talking and keeping my leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take it and keep it by leave. Okay, hey, what's the podcast name again? Please put it in there so people can follow that. Um, we uh hey, what uh what I what I I love, hey, I love the uh the uh picture of Kanye on there. What's good with you? Uh but I I do think there's something about going back to work because to your point, I have a good friend that said that his biggest regret was starting work right away. He should have taken some time off. And so I took time off, you took time off. So I think there comes a point where enough is enough, and I think I've reached that passing the torch. Thanks. That's uh Martin Foster's podcast. If y'all want to check that out, passing the torch. Uh Charles Davis. That was yeah, that was smart, Charles, for uh switching your paycheck to once a month because uh that's the first impact I'm going through. I haven't got my uh retirement check yet. That'll come hopefully February, but um not getting paid on the 15th it is uh a trip. Dale, what's good? Dale Brown in the building. What's good with you, bro? Um you can still come on here whenever you want. Yeah, yeah. But uh, hope everything's good with uh you and everything going on out there in in Germany. Uh, but yeah, switching to one patron, and then you don't have to go back if you're financially set up that you have to go back to work. If you have a job, I won't say turn down the job to take a break, but hopefully you can explain to your employer, like, yo, I need a couple weeks off, need a month off, whatever it is. Reset and then you know, maybe go back to work. But definitely, like like Philly said, reset. There needs to be a reset phase because it is very weird after your retirement. To like, what do I do now? I can't go, I don't want to go into work because I don't want to be that guy, like, yo, you retired, what you doing here?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, and yeah, take a take a take a tactical pause to reset, whatever that means for you. Go to the casino every day, go play golf, go to the gym, whatever that means for you. Uh, sit on your couch and you know, be a bum for a couple days, eat fruity puddle, whatever, all day, like reset yourself. And however long that takes is up to you, different for everybody.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay. So uh moving on. So I think the other thing I'd like to bring up too is not only the finances part, and not only Martin says I did an episode with Shane Pilgrim discussing financial resilience.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's what's up. Check that out, y'all.
SPEAKER_02The other thing to consider, too, is what's next in your career in your lifetime. So you have different things to consider. You have some folks shout out to Louise Hollis the great shirt in the world, second greatest, you freaking hater. No, he's she's the greatest shirt.
SPEAKER_04Second haters, second greatest.
Degrees vs Certifications And Networking
SPEAKER_02Yo, lose Hollis is like Justin Jefferson, you're like Todd Pinkston. I don't know who Todd Pinkston is. Okay, I'll put it in better perspective. Louise Hollis is Tom Brady. You're like that quarterback on the Broncos, the backup. That is crazy. Okay, well, I digress. Um you got Smell Brown, who's traveling the world with his family, and then you have certain folks like uh Michael Holland, child of Michael Holland, um Eric Blanco, and some um Corey Corey um that are doing stuff outside the civilian community. And so the reason why I bring that up is you're gonna have to decide what's next for you. And I I would tell people I would caution if you assume the only thing you can do is what you did in the military. I would ask for you to rethink this, rethink that thought. You are more than just what you've done in the Air Force or any military service in that matter. If you came in as a defender, doesn't mean you have to do defender work when you get out. If you came as a personnel, it's the same way. The only thing is look at those skills as an addition to your portfolio because you're gonna find when you start to really look at what you did in the military, it translates to other fields, case in point. For me, being a defender, you know, I assume I just you know could do security work. My my uh under my graduate degrees or undergrad degrees is in psychology and criminal justice, and I'm working on the social work piece, right? So a lot of people point towards their degrees, what they can do in the civilian sector. But being a defender or being a maintainer or being the personnel, and you're a senior NCO, you can translate those skills into human resources, you can translate those skills into project management. So consider that when you try to figure out what you're gonna do. I'll pause there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Martin, let us know. Man, we're always ready to go on somebody else's show and uh tear that thing up. We're ready. Uh Daniel Hall says, What up? Chief, if you ever come on the podcast and don't say what up to me and say what up to somebody else, we're gonna have problems. Uh, DC, to your point, what about Devon McCoy? I think he's only like a one-trick pony. I think you know, pushing papers is really where he shines. I don't know if he's able to do different things, so you gotta be careful.
SPEAKER_02No, that's not true. I think Devon would do well as like a capital guard. Uh yeah, hey, he does have a good point. He said, You raised with the little drop arm. I think he'll be good at that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, hey, he said you ain't defended a base in 12 years. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's a great point. God bless you. God bless you. Oh, it's all right, Chief.
SPEAKER_04You you at least said what up. The other chief said good morning to you. I am appalled. I'm borderline pissed off, but a little bit appalled. More appalled than anything. But uh, yeah, back to your point. I I think the important thing, and maybe back me up on this, is uh degrees. Get a degree in something you want to do, not in what you're doing now. What is your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_02It depends on what you're into. I think what it really boils out to is what would motivate you to get out of bed in retirement. Now, there are some people who don't have a choice and they have to go to work fast because they need that income. Yeah, no shame in uh leaning on what you're good at now. If you were, like I said, if you uh were an engineer and you was a plumber and you wanted to go to work fast and give us a job for a plumber, then take it. Yeah, if you need the finance, but remember, this is a second career, and I I want to get into this in a second, too, about the perception of folks who retire in the military when it comes to your spouses or your friends, their thought process on it. I I would love to get into that in a second, but anyway, this is a second career. Some of you are gonna be in your late 30s, early 40s, mid-40s. Me, I'm in my 50s. You think I want to sit out and guard a gate on my feet? You was good carrying boxes, you good at you good at that. That could be a problem. No security forces. My brother, let's see. Charles Davis says, My brother retired army MP and started a private security business. Straight, use his military skills in the field, but with business acumen. This is a great example of leveraging what you know into a business where he doesn't have to guard anything, he just watches people do it, and it's his own business. So that's a great way of thinking about it, too. I'll pause there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, Dell says, Uh, have y'all heard degrees get you the interview, but certificates get you or certifications get you the job. Use that Air Force cool. I haven't heard that, but I will say that possibly uh podcasting is moderating CT TV. Just kidding, don't do yeah, that's funny. Uh, I I haven't heard that, Dell, but I I can imagine that uh that could be a thing, depending on what field it all depends on what you want to do, and the world is your oyster, or however that saying goes, the world is your playground, whatever you want to say. And being that it is, it could be a little bit overwhelming because it's like, what now? You have so many avenues you have to go, and I think the biggest thing is everybody knows is networking, networking, networking, networking, and you have to be able okay with being humble enough to put yourself out there and say, I'm willing to take a step back from what you were in the military for the civilian life. You're not good. There's I'm not gonna say you're not, I don't want to speak in absolutes, but it's going to be difficult to go in somewhere and be in charge when you haven't done that before, or even if you've done it in the military for 20 years, and to be out and be like, hey, I'm here now, put me in, put me, you know, in charge of these people. They're like, yo, bro, wait up, wait up. Yeah, I need you to, you know, slow your role. And they won't say that, but you might, might, might, big might have to humble yourself. Uh, when I retire, I feel like I wanna want to be completely removed from the military, Devon. Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's why I gather.
SPEAKER_04I hope not from life, like you just want to be a hermit, just live in a cave somewhere. But uh I yeah, I I know you say you want to get into another point, but I just don't know. It's so many different ways you can go, and it's very difficult because it's so wide open, and timing is important, right? Right place, right time, opportunities, all these things have to align to get you in the right spots.
SPEAKER_02I don't want to speak in absolute, so it's not for everybody, but just we covered a little, we've covered, we covered last show a little bit about skill bridge, and there's an there's a lot of examples of when skill bridge goes right, where you have folks that I'm aware of that did skill bridge and then translated or translated or propelled them into a position with the company. That's when Skill Bridge works out. Then you have Skill Bridge that doesn't work out well, where you work for a company and you don't get a job, and then you feel like three, four months has been wasted. And then you have some that just didn't do nothing. Skill Bridge. Well, and companies want to see you with a valid degree that will benefit their company. Um I would say I agree. You know, let's let's let's touch on that, and you know, full transparency. I'm not very well uh uh skilled in this or knowledgeable in this area because I'm still you know active duty and and actively looking for stuff out there. But I would tell you my experience, I've seen folks, I won't mention names, but I've seen folks get positions not being not having a degree in the job that they're in and not having the skills that they're looking for, but they got hired because on the strength of Them being in the military mostly because the interviewer, the person was digging who they were. And that goes back to what people saying about networking. You'll meet people who know you don't have the qualifications, who know you don't have the degree in that field, and they will hire you. You think about it. You've got people who are in human resources director positions and they have a degree in criminal justice. You got people in human resource director positions and they have a degree in psychology, bachelor's degree, but they got hired. So I'm not saying, Wes, you're wrong. You are right in some aspects, but a lot of it is. I think the number one thing from my point of view, and I'm curious to hear what you think, and I'll be quiet after that, is your networking, like you, how you how people perceive you is so important. And I was telling my wife the other day about you know Khalif Wright, former chief master in the Air Force, and she was like, you know, it's about oh, he was a CEO at um Air Force A Society and stuff, and that's amazing. I'm saying, Babe, he was former chief master in the air force. She's like, Oh, I'm sure they ain't the real reason why he ain't the only reason why he got it. That's true. But you think when you work for an organization and you and you serve the Air Force and you're the former Chief Master Air Force, you don't think that's a huge win for the company, right? Right. And for somebody who is arguably the most popular chief master in the Air Force of all time, next to maybe Chief Gaylor. That's a huge win for the Air Force A Society. So that's a good to me, that's a good example of having the right personality and the right um street cred, I guess, for you know, uh a bad way of putting it, to be able to walk in a position to get hired out Paul's d especially when they're trying to recruit young people.
LinkedIn, Resumes, And Civilian Language
SPEAKER_04And while he was in, his big main focus was on the younger airmen and being able to reach them on the social media piece and things he was pushing, putting out. So, yeah, I think that's like you said, it's a lot of it's networking who you are and where you're at. Uh, my take is not an absolute. You're right that your experience matters too. Networking matters, skills matter. Yeah, Wes to your other point, I will agree as you fill out your applications, and I encourage everyone to look at your stuff now, whether you're getting out in 10 years, two years, five years, look at just go on LinkedIn and apply for a job and just read the requirements and see if you fit those. And if you don't, what kind of things can you start doing now to fit those? If that's what you want to do, if you want to do an HR piece, some will say bachelor's in human resources. So if that's what you want to do to help you be competitive, if you don't have the networking piece, then maybe get those skills that that would help you out. So I encourage everyone, whether you're two years out, 10 years out, five years out, not if you got 18 years out, but if you're over the hump, I will say go on to the LinkedIn if you want to get a job when you get out. Uh, a couple comments here. Networking is more than who you know, it's also who knows you, man. Well said, well, well, well said, yeah. Uh, and back to what Philly said people will put you in positions because they know who you are. Um, Tony Bostik, the gooch, 100% correct. Networking relationships, and personally, our personality are better than degrees, other than technical degrees. Very true, very true. All right, as these comments fly in. Uh, can you read this one?
SPEAKER_02To live abroad, specifically with uh you went out for a second.
SPEAKER_04Oh, there you go. You're back.
SPEAKER_02Things to include online work if I want. That's great. I know a lot of people who migrate to Philip to the Philippines and live there. Low cost of living.
SPEAKER_04Pete, I need two pages of Harry Potter book during your hey, no problem, no problem. As long as I can pick the two and I could practice. I got you. Uh, certification are more important. Okay, that's what Dell says. Certifications are more important than degrees. Uh, can you read this one?
SPEAKER_02From Alicia, I have a sociology degree, but I have the job I have due to leadership experience and maintenance. Transitioning from military, I learned certifications are huge. Oh, shout out to certifications. I need to give mine up. Devon McCoy says, Oh, oh, or rather, he said, Oh, you recommending paper pushing hashtag human resources. I, you know what? There's a old different levels of human resources. There's an old first started work for me named Letitia Bright, and I saw her LinkedIn page. A quote that I was like, Man, I need to steal that. She said, putting the human back into human resources. I think that's something human resources is it's not just paper pushing, it is being able to ensure the work environment is thrive is for everyone to be able to thrive in a work environment. It's another form of EO, it's another form of do I dare say DI or another form of getting folks to be able to perform well. Wes Lawrence says, We're going to give Pete a hooked on phonics certification.
SPEAKER_04Shout out Wes Lawrence. It's hey, you wrote it down, written it down, you wrote it down. So now so now we got to make sure it comes to fruition. Appreciate that. The hooked on phonics certification. I'll see it coming to my front door pretty soon or my or email pretty soon. So I appreciate that. I'll make sure I complete the full two-week course or whatever it is, the CBT.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh. So I I want to let's let's get I want to continue down that path talking about employment. One thing I discovered, how many of you out there have a LinkedIn page and you have never touched it? You just did it because you heard about LinkedIn initially, you put your picture up there, you did a couple of things, but it's just you in a military uniform. Not saying nothing that's that's bad, but one thing I noticed when I when I retired, yo, I had to change all that. You know what I mean? Like when recruiters look at your page daily looking for people for jobs, and if all they see, I'm guilty because I haven't changed mine yet, because I haven't found a picture I like yet. But if your page says strategic leader, leader of airmen, defender killer or whatever, like the fender killer is crazy. LinkedIn is not that to me. That's that's that sums it up right there. LinkedIn is not Facebook, that is not the place to share the same things you would put on Facebook or LinkedIn. I'll pause there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, I mean, you keep going. Chad golf, shout out to him. He said LinkedIn before it was cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, now don't get me wrong, there are folks who use their LinkedIn page and they still talk about what they do. I applaud that because, in a way, you being in the military is a way to still promote yourself on LinkedIn. So if you're doing great things in the military, leadership-wise, um, innovative wise, yeah, you keep putting it on LinkedIn because recruiters still looking at that, and you have people who you serve with or used to serve with still follow you on LinkedIn. So, but I will tell you, one thing I noticed is when I had to change my LinkedIn page, it was a chore because, like, I'm used to writing in military jargon. I'll pause there, chat. No, go, go, go, and relationships matter, digital and in person, they all matter exactly. I've seen uh it was a struggle for me because I write in military jargon. So when I started changing my page, shout out to Wendy Council, who is a who is a gym at that. She was like, Yo, you're doing it wrong. She put me on game, and maybe you guys may know, but I didn't know how powerful LinkedIn is. And for you folks out there who don't have LinkedIn Premium, if you're not already signed up for the for the uh program for you to get LinkedIn for a year because you're active duty, you need to do that. But I would I would caution you and say, do it when you're getting close to a year out, so you can effectively use it. I got a year LinkedIn premium for free when I was um early chief, and I barely I didn't even use it. It was pointless.
SPEAKER_04No, that's a great point. When and when you get that LinkedIn premium, I don't have that, and now I gotta pay for it. So been kind of waiting to get it. Uh, market yourself not out of arrogance, but be huh market. That's what I said. Market yourself, you said mortgage. Oh, I did market yourself, not out of arrogance, but because of your value and what you offer to others, not just employers. Great point, chat. Shout out, Chad Bad Cleek, golf. Uh, convert your language to civilian speak on LinkedIn. That's kind of what we just said. Facts. Uh, I forgot your other point where you're correcting that to yours. Please use it to correct one of the thick first things major companies ask for. Is oh, you're LinkedIn. Okay, I get it. I get it. Can you read this one?
SPEAKER_02Alicia. I see LinkedIn is good for networking when posting for work. Norfolk Grumman has a great program that even gives feedback on how resumes should look. Oh, oh man, I will get into resumes too when we get that opportunity.
SPEAKER_04Uh connection. Uh, we already read this. Uh, use AI to change that real quick. Yes, yes. Good thing that AI does. It's only free for a year. Tony, how much is it after that? How much is premium after that? It's expensive. Oh, okay. AI is clutch. Uh, use it. Bigger companies are looking uh at your social presence. And be real, it's not hard. We have a lot of talented talent to offer companies. Yeah, I agree with that. And uh I've blah blah blah blah blah. I think that LinkedIn is difficult for people who have never used it, and it's almost easier to start over than having to update. It almost is because having to update is a pain. Stop putting your damn EPBs on LinkedIn. Yeah, that's true. I think uh unless you translate it, yeah. That's what I'm about to say. Yeah, convert your title, convert your title, whatever your title was. So if you're a first sergeant, don't put first sergeant. You know, if you're a command chief, don't put command chief. If you're a flight sergeant, please God don't put flight sergeant. Uh, but you can utilize it for whatever it is you're trying to do and try to stay consistent for what you're trying to do. If you're trying to get in human resources, you don't need to put down that you're a flight sergeant and that you did 12 tickets, or that you uh are death sergeant and you dispatch 900 calls. You know, that's not gonna get you into the human resources uh phase. Uh Alicia, you said that Northwick Grumman uh looks at your resume. Can you put some more information? I'm actually trying to get uh my resume looked at a little bit more. Um there and I'll ask you this, Philly. There are resume builder builders out there like resume.co, uh AI does resume builders. What do you think about that compared to doing your own? And when I say doing your own, like from scratch, I think any tool is valuable.
SPEAKER_02I am not a nothing against folks, but I would not pay someone uh incredible amount of money to do your resume.
SPEAKER_04What would you pay somebody?
Myths, Humility, And Starting Lower
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't, but if I had to, I wouldn't pay no more than a couple hundred dollars. Okay, uh about the same to somebody that put in there earlier um AI tools is great. If you know how to use the key is knowing how to use AI, and for folks that may think you know, who are anti-AI, you know, AI is gonna conquer the world or whatever. Okay, to me, AI is like any tech tool of technology. You have to use know how to use it uh properly and accurately. If you can do that, it's huge. It saves you so much time, and it's a great way to fact-check your resume. One thing I learned from Wendy is like, and this, you know, this is for GS jobs, but this also applies for the civilian world. When you look at the job title, take out what it says, like in the uh GS sector, it'll say key skills and abilities. You take that and you compare it to what you have and your achievements, and you write your resume based off of that. It's the same uh the way you would do your EPB, right? You took you take a look at everything you've done in your award package, in your decorations, and you translate it into your enlisted performance report. It's the same way for resumes, and in the civilian sector, it'll say stuff like what you have, and it tells you all the things you should have. It says what sets you apart, and then it tells you all the things you should have. That is a great way to identify if you're the right candidate. And here's the other thing: even if you're not, apply anyway, apply anyway. Most jobs you get in with the interview.
SPEAKER_04Uh, specifically, order of importance and having a clear with the date of investigation, very important to put uh with relocating. Uh, you have you need an outside look, I promise you. What do you mean, an outside look? Like more than just AI?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, outside the military, civilian look. Here's what I caution, right? Here's what I caution. There is nothing wrong with having some party outside look at it, but just remember, if you remember, like when you remember you folks out there that send your records to people and you get different thoughts of how bad your EPB looks to your records, right? It's gonna be the same way for resume. Right, everyone has different things now. It's valuable if you're about to apply to Northrop Grumman or Apple or Amazon or something like that, and you have somebody internally that works there that looks at it, that's valuable because they're speaking with authority and credibility because they work there, right? If you're sending your resume to somebody who currently works at Target, but you're trying to get a job at Apple, you you gotta wonder about the feedback. That's just my personal view.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, West Lawrence says, I recommend that you that we put EPRs and EPB duty titles into AI and have them change it to civilian. That's kind of what I suggested earlier. Great point on that. Alicia said, taking out a lot of the fluff and tailoring it to the position you are going for. Yeah, I heard that a million times. EPB uh transfers to star method. What is the star method employees use for interviews? What is the star method? Do you know?
SPEAKER_02Doesn't sound familiar.
SPEAKER_04Let me uh it seems like yeah, it seems like something I need to ask. Chat, let me Google that. What is the star? She's gonna respond, but before I can get it this in for interviews. First thing that comes up uh structure, framework to answers. Let me see if it says situation, the tasks you face, actions you look, and positive results you achieve. Yep, she is that correct, Alicia?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, situation, task, action, result. Yep, is that what chat said?
SPEAKER_04That's what she said. Yeah, that's what Google said.
SPEAKER_02Okay, but there you go.
SPEAKER_04There you have it.
SPEAKER_02Hey, while we're doing this, if you guys like this conversation, do us a favor. If you haven't already, go ahead and click like down at the bottom. You know what I'm saying? Helps the algorithm out. And if you're not subscribed to us on YouTube, which y'all are waiting for, we're doing so well on YouTube. You can help us out with that. Continue to do that so we can continue bringing shows like this. Now, moving on. Um, so we talked about resumes. I would say let's talk about myths and facts. Okay, facts a fact. You are a military individual transition transitioning to civilian life that has so many different experiences and valuable skills you can bring to a civilian sector that's valuable. That is a fact. This is not good. I wouldn't say it's fiction, but you know, people always say, Oh, people are gonna be lying out your door to hire you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? In some cases, that's true. But I think for me, I've approached this whole experience is not thinking that way, that I have to start at the bottom. And then if I get an opportunity where I don't have to start the bottom, then it's icing on the cake. Because, you know, for someone like me being in this this level of position in my career, the thought initially will be of entering a job at the lower level, it's almost like you know what I'm saying, like you know what I'm saying. You like scoff at it. But if it's a job where you need a foot in the door, sometimes you gotta humble yourself and say, Look, yeah, I was a command chief master sergeant, I'm senior, I'm equivalent to a human resources business partner or director. But in order to work at said company, I have to start on the ground level in the cubicle. Am I willing to do that? Well, if that's something I really want to do, then sometimes you have to do that and then work your way up. In some cases, there are a lot of folks I know that did that and they ascended to the senior level in store short of six months. Some employers just want to see if you're able to humble yourself and work at another level instead of just assuming. And then you've got to also be mindful of not everyone thinks uh of your experiences as positive. There are some civilian folks that have their own preconceived stigmas and ideas about military folks. They got PTSD, they're hard to deal with, they're too structured, they're unable to be flexible when it comes to things like that. So, not just employers, but your fellow employees may think that and may be intimidated by that. So you got to consider that as well.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, Tony Bosti. I'm trying to wait for his comment to pop up. So since it's not, I'll just go ahead and read it. Uh, so many senior leaders struggle with that. I have seen it firsthand, they've forgotten how to work and it shows tremendously. Yeah, I think that's important to know that it is cool, and we all know people that have left the military and went to six-figure jobs. Like you just said, your S S C S S C S. Yeah, SCS guy. Uh, I'm sure that's somewhat close to a six-figure job, if not is. Uh, so we all know people like that. It happens, and shout out to them. But I think, unlike the military, or like the military, it's about timing. Some that position has to be open for an employer to fill it. So if you, if a stars align, when you get out, you get your resume, you're good for the position, and the position is open, boom, you can get right to it. But unless you're searching for a thousand different companies and trying to find which one's open, sometimes you might have to take a step back to take two steps forward later, which should be okay. It should be okay for everybody to do. But just remember the position has to be open. It's almost like the military. If you want to say you want to work protocol, but protocol is full, they're not gonna hire nobody there. You have to wait for protocol to open, still be on the base, have the retainability to take the position, not be hot for a PCS. Not be hot for getting promoted. You know, a lot of things have to align for those positions. Same thing for the civilian world. Same exact thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And then be prepared for I won't say disappointment, but I had this thing I always say is revise and apply. You don't wait for one opportunity. You put in for one position and then you keep going. Sometimes some people will put in for that one dream job they see and they wait on that one. In some civilian sectors, you may put in a resume, you may hear nothing. That's just how it is. That's horrible. That is how a job at USA, and it had over 300 applicants. Right. And so naturally, you know, you're high on yourself. You put in for a job. I'm getting that job. I'm qualified for it, but you hear nothing. You revise and apply. Rick Reviews won't say what you're doing. What's up, brother? He says, be prepared to remember the phrase.
SPEAKER_04Uh Kevin Ott says civilian hires and civilian promotions are highly competitive at the level that military members cannot fathom. Yeah, it's I think the difficult part is not hearing that. It's not like the military where you can ask your chief, hey chief, did I get that job? Hey Chief, you heard anything? And they'd be like, Yeah, they'd be like, nah, you didn't get it. I'm like, all right, cool. But civilian sectors, man, you put in, I don't know how many applications you put in. I know I put in a few, uh, but when you put it in and you just like pause when you put it in. That's crazy. When you when you throw up a resume and you don't hear nothing back, you're like, should I call and check on it? Do I just keep going? It's hard. It comes to a point where it gets kind of uh humbling and also disappointing to not hear anything, just like, oh my gosh. Oh my, but then when you do, I mean, I got a call for Lucid not too long ago. Uh, I don't think I even told you on Thursday. I got a call to go uh work at Lucid direct hire. I was excited as hell. What's what's it called? Lucid, Lucid the Car Company.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm about to say Lucid. That sounded like a drug or something.
SPEAKER_04No, Lucid the Car Company. Oh, the only problem is it's an hour and a half away. And I'm not driving a three-hour round trip every day.
SPEAKER_02Were you aware of that before you applied?
SPEAKER_04Nah, it was said Phoenix, but the only hiring they had was in uh Rio Grande or something like that. That's an hour and a half away. Nah, I driving a three-hour round trip every day. That's that's quite extreme. Yeah, but it was good to get a call back. It's good to get a call back. It's good to get a surprise. You know what's funny? They called me, and of course, my phone doesn't recognize the number, so I didn't answer it because of freaking all the spam calls, and then they called back, and I was like, huh, that's weird. Spam doesn't call you back. So then I answered, and that's what it was. But anyway, yeah, so now I gotta answer all spam calls, which sucks.
SPEAKER_02So, question did you tell them that you wasn't interested, or did you just not gonna show up?
SPEAKER_04No, no, I told him, I told him I said that that's a little bit further out. But if there's something in the greater Phoenix, West Phoenix area, then I'm willing to do that. But that I'm not gonna be able to make that three-hour round trip.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so just another question. When they called you, did they offer you the job or did you go to also there was no interview? It's like, hey, you know, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we saw your application. We would like to go ahead and hire you for this position. Uh it's in it's in Rio Grande or something like that. I think might be saying the city wrong, but I looked it up while they were talking. I looked it up and I was like, Man, hour and a half. I was like, uh, I'm not gonna be that's an hour and a half away. It's quite far out.
Outprocessing, Records, And Logins
SPEAKER_02So that's a good that's a good comment, too. Is you everyone has different red lines, but you got to determine your red lines when you transition to a lot of us spent our times working weekends, odd hours, Panama's gonna do 12-hour shifts or whatever, or traveling, doing a lot of traveling, PCS deployments. You're gonna get to a point which is perfectly fine. You're gonna set red lines where it's like I'm not working weekends, I'm not working night shift, I'm not um working extra hours, and that's perfectly fine. You've got to you gotta look at transition is you lost a lot of your time in the military in a positive way, mind you. But for me, I have a red line. I'm not lifting no boxes more than 20 pounds, I'm not gonna be 12 hours. I did that while I was on active duty. I'm not working weekends, I'm not working late hours. Now, I will do it for the job in moderation, but if the the Lyra Markson job says you must work on weekends, I'm not putting for it. There was one job I thought would have been perfect for me for my second career getting into social work and mental health. And the red line was working Tuesday through Saturday. So that means you're gonna lose. Am I willing to lose my Saturday? Like maybe younger me, but not older than me. So that's one thing to consider as well.
SPEAKER_04Oh, could always accept a position to get inside the company and let later transfer once you've proven commodity, once you're a proven commodity. That that's true. So, what uh what's I guess what's the red lines for that one? Uh look, uh Josh I I can't say his name, it's kind of hard. I think it's supposed to be Joshua, but Josh Josh Whoa, yeah, it's just the way he said uh J R O T C instructors paid months off in the summer break. That's huge. That's huge. Off every weekend summer breaks, that's huge. Yeah, I'm trying to get in that position, Josh. If you are already in that position, I'm not sure if you are or not. Let me know. Let me know because I might need to send me a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02Josh Hu Wah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think so too. Or just trying to be a uh instead of Joshua. Josh Who. But let me know. Are you a JRTC instructor now? Uh, but anyway, I digress. Uh I don't know if there's anything else with retirement. I will say uh out processing is big. Uh make sure your DD214 worksheet is done. Uh make sure you get access to all the stuff you won't have access to anymore. That's big. Uh, so make sure your passwords are set because you won't have a cat card login anymore. So if you need to get access to my pay or just want to be nosy and get on the portal and look at old stuff to reminisce, you need now a login and password. Uh, make sure you pull your education records, your military education, because you didn't know this. Once you're out the military. Actually, I did know this. Once you're out the military, the education office can't pull it. You have to go into CCAF and request your transcripts. If you want any military, so any military schools you went to, any military classes you went to, you need to go to the education because there's no login and password for that. You need to request a hard copy of that, an official copy before you retire. So there you go. Some nuggets that people don't say.
SPEAKER_02We mentioned the last show about your medical care.
SPEAKER_04Oh, Charles David just said it.
Healthcare, TRICARE, And VA Timing
SPEAKER_02You're really gonna have to. Did you guys touch on health care after? Um, no, but we can get in that in a second. But I was gonna say, this is your time when you decide to retire. While you're active duty your last six months, you need to hit the hospital hard if you've got ailments. Alicia says you can get a military printout resume on my vector. Yes. Oh, that's true. I forgot about that. You go on um my vector and you print out a form, it will it does a decent job. It translates what you do in the military to civilian speak. Yeah, it does a decent job, but it's still something valuable to have. Yeah, but your medical care, make all your appointments, get as much done as you can because once you transition, that stuff ends, and now you're gonna really have to pay for it. And what you don't want to do is put off a root canal or something major that the military could pay for in full. You can get first dibs at the hospital, then when you're a retiree. So get all that stuff done now as soon as possible.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so a couple different things with the medical piece. Like if you need to get tri care or want to get tri care, and we'll just use tri care, you can get any medical coverage you want, but you know, paying a monthly enrollment fee, or excuse me, uh, I think that is a monthly enrollment fee, a one-time enrollment fee, a monthly fee, and then co-pays are all tied into that. That you do not that I mean, for the last 20 years, have not had to pay a copay anywhere you go, and now all of a sudden have to pay a copay is definitely different. And that could come right out of your retirement check, like an allotment, so you don't see it. Uh, but if you want your family to be covered, the enrollment fee for that for I think Tricare is around$700 for Tricare Prime. TriCare Select is a little bit more, those are two options you have. Uh, you could Google that if you want to know the difference, but kind of the difference is Tricare Prime. You still go on base, go see a PCM on base. TriCare Select, you can select where you want to go, but is it a lot more expensive? And you have to pay copays every time you go. So when you're in line with people off base and they'd be like, hey, you have a$20 copay, and then you go up in line and be like, all right, go ahead and have a seat. Now you're gonna be the$20 copay person. So just remember that. Just remember that. And specialties are more important, so like your mental health piece. That is pricey, that is pricey, pricey. Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_02And then let me see. Let me look at my notes, make sure it's something I'm not missing. Um, I think Pete captured the majority of his stuff. I don't know if he wants to get into uh more of the VA stuff, but if not, um one thing I would say is be mindful of the timelines as far as when you get your last paycheck. We already talked about finances already. Tony Bostick says, Well, kind of Kevin I oh good lord.
SPEAKER_04No, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02Tony Bosticks says TriCare Select is legit. Interesting. Copay, not bad. It depends on if you want to deal with the military. There are a ton of free programs for resume building and civilian transition. Pay attention and taps, and if possible, go twice. Yeah, we talked about taps a little bit last time. I wouldn't say it was bad. I guess it depends on where you go. Some good information. I do think some things were left out. Kevin says copies of all your travel vouchers. That's the only proof that you were at a certain location at a certain time.
SPEAKER_01Hmm.
SPEAKER_04There are other proofs. You can get medals if you got a medal from that location. If you got uh vouchers, that's a good idea to think about that. Yeah, if you got a medal from that location, if you got uh a certificate of appreciation or something like that, but you're right, other than that, uh, or if it's on your EPB that you are at that location, other than that, yeah, that's really all you got. Great point, great point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, going back to that too, with your medical piece, make sure I said this before, but I can't stress it enough. Get your medical enough medical stuff done prior to you transitioning. Because here's here's thing that something to think about. We all wish for folks to get 100% out the gate. But if for some reason you don't, what you don't want to do is struggle to try to tie any ailments you've currently have to service connection. That's why you get it looked at while you're in. Don't wait to get diagnosed with sleep apnea when you get out. Get it done while you're on. Now, does that mean if you do, they can service connect? They can. It's a little difficult because then now you're going backwards in time to try to connect something that that states that maybe you developed sleep apnea while you were in. Yes, but it's a lot easier if you do it when you're on active duty.
SPEAKER_04Something that I experienced with the referral piece is if you are on an active referral and say you get out in January and in February, or let's say January 1st, and January 6th is your appointment. You now have to pay a copay, and you have to have the right coverage. So if the coverage didn't switch over in time, then that referral is no good. You still have a referral to go. The referral's not gone, but now you have to pay the copay for it. Uh, best decision was getting a rating locked in before getting out. Made life easier. They don't care as much once you're out. Interesting. Interesting.
Mindset, Mentors, And Red Lines
SPEAKER_02That's true. That's true. That is true. Uh, let's see. So you have that, um, and then in the end, I don't know. I guess there's a lot of stuff we can cover, but not to belabor the series. I think ultimately I would leave you with prepare, prepare, prepare, uh, reflect, trust the process. Remember that there are other folks, a lot of your friends or family members who are prior military that transitioned just like you. You will figure it out. You spent your whole year, your whole majority of your life in the military, learning to be flexible, going from base to base, job to job, trying to figure it out. You will figure it out. Don't be afraid to reach out for help for people that you know that you trust. Because you're gonna have I was sharing this with P the other day. You're gonna have some people that relish the fact that you're in this position and now they're in a position where they can make decisions, and they will they relish the fact of almost throwing it in your face instead of making it easier, you know. I'm saying, yeah, yeah. You know how somebody was trying to figure out how to get at the top of the hill, yeah, and they finally got up there, and all they had to do is just reach a hand out and pull you up. But no, they want to say, keep going. Yeah, I made it. Yeah, you're gonna run into people like that. Yeah, I would tell you, be very careful, those people avoid them if you can. Find the person that had a rough time getting up the hill, but they're willing to put their hand up and pull you out. Those are the people you want to stay close to. Tony B says he leaves a website link, ton of info and taps. Most people are lazy and don't read. Gooch, be easy on people. Gooch. Nah, he's right.
SPEAKER_04He's right, he's right. You know what? I need to get a big shout out to uh Tony Bostick while you're on here. We had a conversation at uh ET's retirement ceremony that really helped out and led me to where I'm at now. So, Tony Bostic, if you remember somewhat of the conversation, just everything's gonna be all right, just stuff like that, networking and stuff like that. Thanks for that. But I still need help with the job piece. So if you could help out with that, I appreciate that. Uh, but yeah, uh, I don't know if you want to do uh episode five. If we have something else to talk about or something we forgot about, maybe we'll swing into that. If not, we can press on. But I think it was a good four-part episode. Maybe we'll do five parts, uh, push it out a little bit early and see if we can uh get some more people on here, ask some questions and stuff like that. But definitely, man, reach out to people, man. And people don't know if you need help unless you tell them. And so the part that's hard is humbling yourself, humbling yourself. We all get out at different phases in our life, whether you're 30, whether you're 40, whether you're 50, whatever it is and where you've been at. But uh definitely reach out to people, just talk, just open your paws, just open your mouth and start talking and see what comes out of the conversation. Uh, a lot of it you can you're not gonna get the answers you want, but some of the times, like I've given Tony Bostik some love, just a conversation helps. And of course, my man Philly DC, we tap into each other pretty much every day because we're going through the same struggle together. It is a very big help to have somebody going through it with you, but it's a very big help to have somebody just to talk to and just BS and vent and get this off your chest, talk me off the ledge, whatever it is. Uh, have somebody that that can help you out. Yes, be humble, but committed to your journey. It will work out and keep three mentors on standby. Three is a good number, one is good if you got a good one, but three is probably a better number, definitely. Uh, Josh said, hit me up on the side if you want info on JRTC. I'm going through the process now. Good luck with the process. Good luck with that. We also have Jess Player, who's the JRTC instructor on here. She's already uh in the seat doing the instructor piece, so she can help out. I'm sure she's willing to help out as well. As I put her business out there, uh, do you want to go to football? Uh, I think we should while we have a couple more minutes.
SPEAKER_02We can, but uh, one last another thing that just came to mind. Even if you're not working, if you can't find something, if it's if you're passionate about something, you can always volunteer and do nonprofit. That usually leads to employment, too. Or you start your own nonprofit. There's a couple of folks that created their own business, like Ty Simmons. He created his own business, something he was passionate for, and is doing extremely well at it. And you have some people through connections, they work together and doing something they love. You just got to figure out what you really want to do and and then go after that. Y'all be all right, Kevin Nostis the bear.
SPEAKER_04So I'm surprised you didn't mention it, but just because it's your first job doesn't mean it's your last job. Kind of like a house, you know, just because you buy a first house doesn't mean it's your forever house.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, sometimes you have to get you can always quit or put in your two weeks, put in your two weeks, put in your two weeks. At least, at least find something. You want to be like, yo, bro, what you been doing the last year? Man, I quit like eight jobs, bro. Like, yeah, you don't want to do that because eventually it's gonna get out. Like, this dude's a quitter, you know what I'm saying? But and plus it's time wasted. I would I think you would attest to this. I think when you retire, you're you you don't have a lot of time. And one thing I want to mention before we go over into football, I thought that was the last thing, but this is even more vitally important is your mind, right? You've you've gotta take care of yourself, man. You I here I am retiring in my in my early 50s. I've known, you know, guy rest their soul who passed that in their mid-50s, early 50s, even 40s. I know a couple of friends, right? So you gotta think, you've been going hard all this time. You'd be surprised how much of a how much you your mind has been affected in your body, too. You gotta take care of yourself, man. So don't don't be in a rush to get back into the ring. You know what I'm saying? Think of it as a boxer, right? You've been boxing for 12 rounds, you won by decision. Maybe you knocked him out, and you're ready to get in the next fight because a big payday, but your body may not be. And that next hit you get, you may not get up from. So take the time out to take care of yourself, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, ready to go to uh some football. If you don't know, the playoffs have been great this year, and it's getting even better as everything is coming. Uh, all the home teams are winning so far for the divisional round. As you see behind Philly, Seattle kicked the dog crap out of San Francisco. Like, goodness gracious, the worst playoff game has happened last night 41 to 6. Uh, San Francisco scored all their points in the second quarter and scored nothing else after that. Uh Bills and Denver. Denver is moving on without their starting quarterback Bo Knicks, which man, tragedy, tragedy. But Denver is moving on as they beat the Bills uh 30 to 33 in overtime. Um Uh so we got move on to the games today. Uh, we have the LA Rams as they take on the Chicago Bears. Thoughts on that one?
Volunteering, Nonprofits, And Options
SPEAKER_02Before I move on to that, Bang Bang Niner gang. Shout out to my folks, Adam Van Cleve, Goff, and all you other Niner fans out there. Welcome. Just like what did Eddie Murphy say on that movie? Uh Hoodlum. Was that Hoodlum?
SPEAKER_04He was in no, he was in Hoodlum.
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SPEAKER_02Bang Bang Niner gang. And shout out to Justin Petey. He texted me last night. He's like Brock Purdy, top 10 quarterback. Get that ish out of here. Justin, you was wilding out last night on the on the messenger, bro. He was wilding out. So I think you were one of the ones that said Brock Purdy was top 10, wasn't he? I still think he is. Uh no. No. Anyway, Rams versus Bears in Chicago. Cold day. You brought up interesting interesting statistics the other day. What was Matthew Stafford's record?
SPEAKER_04It's like 5 and 12 or something like that. Five and nine in uh cold or freezing weather games. And he has not won a playoff game in cold weather. So those games are regular season. He has not won a playoff game in cold weather.
SPEAKER_02Bosic says Purdy equals Hertz. That's pretty you know what I'm gonna ask you, man. You can elaborate on that, man. Don't speed past that. I don't know about that. But anyway, last I checked, Hurst went to the Super Bowl and won an MVP. But anyway, moving on. Rams versus Chicago in Chicago. I see this as being a low-scoring game, but not to the point of 10 to 3 or something. Okay. I still think the Rams are gonna put up points. They're not gonna put up 30, but I see them putting up at least 20 points.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02The Bears. My thought process would be is the Bears are gonna be unmatched against the Rams. But just like we said yesterday, coaching matters. And I tell you, something about Ben Johnson's got it. Over McVeigh? Yeah. Ben yo. Ben Johnson got them dudes ready to go to war, man. Yeah. They believe in that they are going to win it all. And I think that matters. However, I still think the Rams' offense is too electrified. And I still think the Rams are on the road. And I would love to see the Rams versus the Seahawks in the NFC Championship. So I'm gonna go Rams 24 to 17.
SPEAKER_04That's so I am taking the Bears 24-28.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_04I do think the Rams will score. I think the Bears will score, but I think the Bears will get a last second touchdown that puts them up by four. The Rams will try to go back and get a last second fourth quarter drive, and Matt Stafford will throw the game losing or game clinching interception. I also think Matt Stafford will throw at least two picks today. At least two. I think K Williams will throw a pick. Uh Cold Weather. So if you saw last game, Cold Weather produced fumbles. Josh Allen had four turnovers himself. He's still a top 10 quarterback, but had four turns, four turnovers himself. And then uh Cook, who is the league leading rusher, put the ball on the ground also and had a turnover. Uh Denver put the ball on the ground but did not turn the ball over. Uh, so interesting fact there uh with that. So you have the Rams, I have the Bears, and we will go to probably to me the game of the night: Houston versus Patriots. And people will say why. I like defense. If you like defense, this is the game for you. Houston's defense against the Patriots and Drake May MVP possibility, although Matt Stafford is gonna get it. MVP possibility of going against Houston. Your thoughts.
NFL Playoff Picks And Wrap
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't say the matchup of the night, personally. I'm more or less looking forward to the Rams and Bears game, personally. I am interested to see. No, I'll take it back because every time I doubt a Houston defense, they've proven me wrong every time. The way they dismantled the Chargers, they played the Chargers last time, right?
SPEAKER_04Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02The way they dismantled Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh's team was scary. First half of the game, I think it was only what six points scored or something, or 13. I can't remember two of them, and then they had an explosion. Now, it's not the Houston Texans offense, it's their defense. They smacked the living crap out of the Chargers. It was horrifying. Yeah, I turned off the game. I said, Man, this game's gonna be trash, man. I think Texas probably went, but it's gonna be a low-scoring game. But my god, I'm not talking about the offense, I'm talking about the defense. It was scary. Yeah, I'm telling you, I I can hear the screams of a woman in a horror movie when I saw that game. It was like watching a horror flick, and so even though the Patriots at home, I think the Texans maybe will be a problem for the Patriots. I do. I have nothing, none of respect for Drake May and Mike Vrabel. They got a great thing going on in New England. But ooh, I feel bad for them. But that being said, I think the Patriots are gonna win. They're gonna end up closing out the game. They're gonna win. I would say 17 to 10.
SPEAKER_04That's so I was thinking the exact same score, and at the end I switched to 17-13. 17-13. Yeah, Patriots, Patriots, Patriots. I think if the Texans win, it would be because their defense forced not only turnovers, but also scored. They're gonna have score on because no Nico Collins. So Texans ain't got their number one receiver. CJ Stroud struggled really bad last game. All CJ Stroud has to do is keep time of possession in their hands. So they're gonna have to run the ball, they're going to have to dot not throw any turnovers and try to minimize the three and outs, even if they can go uh two first downs and not score or maybe get a field goal. It's going to be a field goal game for the Texans, and Patriots are gonna have to score some touchdowns. Or it's gonna be time of possession. So it might be a boring game as far as you know, a bunch of first downs. It's not gonna be like I think the Rams uh Chicago game is gonna start slow and then have some explosions.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting game, but I just think shout out to Houston and uh Damico Ryan's for that yeah thing they did. They defense, man. But that comes to an end tonight. If Houston wins, they're going to the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_04Oh, whoever wins in the AFC is going to the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_02Uh, yeah, you can say that. Yeah, you so you really think that the loss to both Nicks kills Denver's chances?
SPEAKER_04Oh man, the second string quarterback they put out a stat in 20 games, he's throwing eight interceptions and eight touchdowns in 20 games. And none of those were playoffs, so yeah, yeah. And they don't even have they don't have great wide receivers anyway in Denver.
SPEAKER_02They have yeah, that's true. I don't know any of them.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they have okay wide receivers, but they don't have great ones, and then they have two, they have two rookie running backs, so don't know. I mean, not really threat with that. It's mostly their defense, but their defense is not gonna now. If Houston goes, man, that's gonna be the most boring game ever. It might be 3-0, it might be 6-3. Okay, but if New England goes, they might put up a 40 burger.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I would I would love that'd be a great segue. Who do you want to see in the Super Bowl?
SPEAKER_04Well, now, now I would like to see it's funny because I picked Chicago, but I like to see the Rams. But the Rams versus Patriots is what I want to see. That's a that's a throwback to when Tom Brady won his first. I think that was when Tom Brady won his first championship. I could be wrong. I can't remember, but I remember the greatest show on turf. Uh, I want to say, I'm about to look it up. I take take us home somewhere where why I look this up because uh I am pretty sure that was yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um it's gonna be an interesting day to day for the what's that what?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh 2002 New England Patriots upset the St. Louis Rams 20 to 17.
SPEAKER_02Wow, wow, that'll be interesting.
SPEAKER_04Great point. Shout out to me for pulling that one out my ass.
SPEAKER_02Josh Hoo says, Stidum suck.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, cooked.
SPEAKER_02Now wait a minute.
SPEAKER_04Cook 'em.
SPEAKER_02Nick Foles won our Super Bowl as the backup.
SPEAKER_04Nick Foles had a couple games before the playoff. He didn't come in in the division, the division game and try to, and y'all had a great defense and a great offense. And a great offense.
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't say we had a great offense. It wasn't as good as the one we won the Super Bowl. We had we didn't have Terrell Owens, we had Nick Foles. Um, I can't remember. Oh, yeah, we had Al Sean Jeffrey. That's what we had. Denver Cook with extra line. Yeah. So um, wow, that's interesting. You guys think Denver and uh Denver's done.
SPEAKER_04I'm sure they know they're done. If they had two weeks, ha maybe, but the only thing that they won why they won yesterday is fucking freaking Buffalo had four turnovers, five turnovers. Uh uh, no, they have four, they have four. Uh, because Josh Allen had two interceptions and a fumble, and then Cook had a fumble, and they still went to overtime and barely won. One because of a flag. Yeah, so don't have no respect for the Ravens won their Super Bowl with Trent Dilford.
SPEAKER_02You don't think Houston could do the same? Houston, yeah. Houston, they had a good thing.
SPEAKER_04Because because uh, whatchamacallit had uh one of the best running backs at the time. There's not a good running back right now. Oh man, Rick Rick Review said NFL faker than a WWE.
SPEAKER_02Come on, man. This is a great point. Why would hold on? Josh Hoo says Foles was least mid, still at last burst. Yo, that's coming to the day more five turn rig reviews. Think about it. Why would the NFL, if it was rigged, why would the NFL allow Josh Allen to depart the playoffs? Out of every quarterback, great point, every player in the playoffs right now. Josh Allen is the moneymaker. You think every you think everybody cares about Matthew Stafford? I love Matthew Stafford, great quarterback. You think everybody cares about Bo Knicks or Drake May or Caleb Williams? No, Josh Allen is the last of what do they call the Mount Rushmore quarterbacks? There's no Mahomes, no Lamar Jackson, no Joe Burrow. He was last year's MVP. Plus, Buffalo never won a Super Bowl. Right. Think of the story. If Josh Allen was able to propel them to the Super Bowl, why would they do that?
SPEAKER_04I don't think they're faker than WWE. Nah, uh WWE is bad.
SPEAKER_02Anytime when you're about to hit somebody, they like even two feet away from they like it's not that bad. Now, basketball, maybe Charles Davis says, when and how did he break his foot? Never saw lip. I agree. I agree. I thought it was a celebration.
SPEAKER_04I thought maybe it's yeah, I was like, was it the celebration afterwards? They never said. Like I was lost, like broke a bone in his foot. Like, what the heck happened? Uh, maybe he took a trip to one of them islands. That's crazy. That's crazy. But anyway, that's our picks for uh the game coming on about 30 minutes 30 minutes. I think no, no, it comes on about an hour and a half or something. What's the game? Come on. Uh let me check. Uh, it comes on in no way. It comes on. Oh, did they uh oh, so the Texan Patriots comes on at one o'clock, so about an hour and a half. So sit back, relax, watch that. Uh chill out, enjoy your Sunday. Hopefully, some of y'all have uh Monday off for Martin Luther King Day. So enjoy your Monday. Um, and we'll be back next Sunday. Don't know what we're gonna talk about. Maybe we'll do part five, maybe we'll move on to a different thing. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? But thank y'all for coming out. Uh, review all these parts on your wherever you find your podcast at, or go on YouTube if you want to watch us while listen to us, whatever you want to do.
SPEAKER_02Hey, shout out to the people I've talked to, and as well as Pete that dropped us line, drop us lines of how the subject matter was um was beneficial to them, and also some ideas of other shows. We try to look at um we try to look at all topics, not just military, but we do get a lot of requests to talk about military topics. So you may see some in the next couple of shows. And as always, drop us a line. Let us know how we think, how we're doing, what we missed. Um, this show we do it for y'all. So we would love to hear y'all's comments. We thank for y'all supporting us. I see there was a comment down there by Charles Davis. Who is your offensive coordinator pick for Philly DC? Even though I made fun of this guy throughout the last two seasons, calling him a cyber nerd or whatever, like somebody who's in a house living with their mom, playing Fortnite. Mike McDaniels from Mike from the Miami Dolphins would love for him to be our offensive core or offensive coordinator.
SPEAKER_04Go from head coach to OC.
SPEAKER_02Who who, huh?
SPEAKER_04He's like, go from head coach to OC, huh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think he's I think he's open to it because that will, if he does well, that will open him back up in the head coaching circle. I know he's had a couple of interviews like with the Baltimore Ravens to be their coach. I don't see Baltimore going with him. The the right move is for him to go back to being offensive coordinate offensive coordinator, do well, and then build the buzz because whoever's the offensive coordinator is gonna decide whether or not Nick Sirianni has another season and Jalen Hurts, to be honest. So it's critical whoever we pick. Joshua Wells says, Great chatting with y'all. Respect for staying active and putting that goodness out there. Oh, no doubt. We're gonna keep going, bro. See the wheels fall off, man. And that's actually because of you guys. So we appreciate and we thank you guys. So, um, that being said, um, we will see y'all next week. We may do a show in between. If you're not subscribed on YouTube, go ahead and subscribe there, turn your notifications on. We're gonna really start getting in the YouTube space. So it'd be great to see y'all when we start doing more shows on YouTube and stuff.
SPEAKER_03And go, birds! We out, peace birds.
