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We Break Down A Boring All-Star Game And A Bigger Military Problem
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The hype machine was loud, but the All-Star Weekend felt hollow. We dig into why the NBA’s showcase struggles—uninspired dunk contest, no defense, low stakes—and why that emptiness mirrors a bigger cultural slip: when rituals replace purpose and optics outrun pride. We talk stars avoiding risk, formats that confuse novelty for meaning, and what it would actually take to make the event matter again. Hint: incentives that bite, peer pressure among top players, and a return to the identity of elite competition rather than a halftime show stretched to two hours.
From there we pivot to a viral flashpoint on base: a standardized Security Forces gate greeting and the backlash it triggered. We’re clear about intent—professionalism at the first point of contact matters—but we challenge the rollout. A public memo invited mockery for junior defenders and mistook scripts for substance. We offer a better path: handle expectations internally, empower SF leadership, and widen the principle to every office that greets people. Security, alertness, and respect come first; phrases should support the mission, not overshadow it.
We wrap with a tough, necessary segment on Senior NCO Academy graduation photos—ill-fitting jackets, high-water pants, stressed buttons, crooked name tags. This isn’t fashion policing. It’s credibility. Senior NCOs set culture in the small visible things that signal how seriously we take the big ones. We lay out practical, layered fixes: personal responsibility, peer checks, class-leader inspections, instructor sign-offs, and a photographer empowered to pause the shot until it’s right. If needed, you don’t walk until you’re squared away.
It all connects: sports without stakes, scripts without substance, uniforms without care. Standards aren’t about looking pretty; they’re about trust, pride, and the message we send to our teams. If this resonated, tap follow, share with someone who cares about bringing pride back to the basics, and drop a review with your take on the All-Star fix and the right way to enforce standards.
Countdown To Transition
SPEAKER_01You were talking about your uh your NCOA graduation that you went to N C O A N C O A.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was the NCOA graduation. I was going quickly, I was what? Oh, my bad. I'm double audio. My bad. I was like, what the duck? No, I was going, I was just saying how just I know that being there in civilian clothes and not having to worry about military protocol. I am ready now to transition. What's up, Chris Jones? What's going on, brother? I'm ready to transition. I got two weeks to go. Who was it? Somebody reached out to me last week and they was warning me. They was like, yo, you got two weeks, it's gonna hit you hard. I wouldn't say hit me hard, it's kind of hit me, but I'm ready. You know how it is? It's almost like remember the analogy I gave you about ghost and Patrick Swayze. Yes, that's what it's like. It's like I'm just waiting for the light to come on and just go to the funny.
SPEAKER_01Uh, somebody was like, call me yesterday. We were talking, and we were like, How is it? How does it feel? And I was trying to explain it to him. He's like, Yo, bro, it sounds like you're on leave, but on leave forever, like you don't ever come off a leave. He's like, Because everybody else is still at work doing their work thing, and you're just on leave, just chilling. But he's like, Man, you're on leave forever. I said, Man, that's a great analogy. That's a yeah, spot on.
SPEAKER_03I I like the ghost analogy better.
SPEAKER_01Okay, yeah, okay. I don't know what to say about that. Okay, all right. I mean, they both are pretty good, but yeah, they're they're good.
SPEAKER_03I just rank mine slightly higher, you know.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you might be a little bit biased, okay.
SPEAKER_03Maybe just a slight bit biased, but anyway, moving on. So, what do you want to hit on first?
SPEAKER_01Uh, let me make sure this is working. All right, there we go. Test. Uh, I am open to the all-star game, I'm open to uh the ATY.
All-Star Weekend Disappointment
SPEAKER_03I would I would vote to go. Let's go all-star game first, because frankly, ain't much to talk about, right?
SPEAKER_01That's that's a great point. So Saturday rant. Saturday, yeah, Saturday All-Star Game. And they've been talking about how trash the all-star game has been and uh how it's not improving. I'll I'll echo those sentiments and just say the all-star game is. I watched the whole thing start to finish yesterday. Trash. I'll be honest, I was playing video games while I was watching it. That's how trash, that's how trash it was to me. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I didn't, I didn't find the three-point contest interesting. I didn't find the dunk contest interesting. I damn sure didn't find the little three three team shootout, shoot.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I didn't find none of it interesting. Like, y'all let me know in the chat. Like, what did y'all find interesting about because I the dunk contest was so bad, so so so so bad.
SPEAKER_03You didn't so you wasn't feeling the dude from Miami Heat that won the one dunk when he all he was doing was dancing.
SPEAKER_01That dude spent more time dancing than he did dunking. I slept through the whole thing, didn't think twice about waking up and watching it. Dale, Dale, that joint was like horrible. You know what? We we gonna show. I'm gonna I'm gonna show. Go ahead. I'm gonna get the dunk contest up so we can see.
SPEAKER_03I'm just saying, the dude, the one dunk when he did over E40 when he was like this. I mean, it was like it was all right, right? But the rest, I must admit, he spent most of his time doing all that thinking, dancing, man. And what's up with E40 and the little condom hat he had on?
SPEAKER_01That's uh he'd be wearing that now.
SPEAKER_03I don't know what the is that that's I don't know what it is. Yeah, but for any listeners in the Bay Area, yo, educate me, bro. Big what's the deal with the condom hat, man?
SPEAKER_01It looks weird. Look, I'm gonna bring up and we can we can react to it if you want to. The dunk contest. So let's let's go do this real quick.
SPEAKER_03Uh we wanna do and you guys in the audience, y'all react to it too. Put in the comments what y'all think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, hopefully it's not too loud.
SPEAKER_03Also, put in the comments how well y'all how much y'all like the dunk show.
SPEAKER_01You can see this is the best dunks for 2026. So, Dale, if you in here still, you can watch it because this there's probably gonna be three dunks, and that's about it. Let me notice the big bitch giving up the order.
SPEAKER_02The first dunk for the fella rookie, bruh.
SPEAKER_01Basic ass. I seen better dunks in a freaking uh oh, I gotta give you access to it. I didn't give you access on the case.
SPEAKER_03I watched it live on Facebook, so that's probably why you was ahead of me, but oh okay.
SPEAKER_01Yo, like I'll give you access to it. So I seen better dunks in game than I saw that. What's up, Swarez? I seen better dunks in game. Let me let me rewind that back again because that droid was so black. Come on, bruh. Hey, you know what the crazy part is? The announcers kept saying, like, just get a dunk down, just get a dunk down. That was his first dunk. Your thoughts.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you you sharing it through YouTube, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, through everything.
SPEAKER_03Yo, let me let me share that joint so you to give your computer a break. No, you could because you were you're crackling a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Oh shoot. All right.
SPEAKER_03I didn't know. Old boy, son, he was the son of Jason Richardson. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, it's funny, they were playing. I'm I'm looking it up now while I'm talking. They were playing like the little intro videos, which I thought were kind of corny too. The promo videos before I forgot all about that.
SPEAKER_01I forgot that was so like, are y'all just wasting time here? Like, what are you doing like the joys? Hell no, that was so like the intro. I remember back in the day, the intro was them coming off the bench and running to mid-court. That was it. That's the only intro we needed. I don't need an intro with a whole video about how basically they try to pose it like they're the best dunkers in the world. Like it didn't even get me hype or anything. Uh you your volume. Oh, there you go.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, you can hear it through my headphones, right?
SPEAKER_01I can hear you fine now.
SPEAKER_03Okay, hold on. I'm gonna try to share my joint. Can you see that? Give me a second.
SPEAKER_01Give me a second. So we wanna go.
SPEAKER_03Then they had my man, Corey Magetty. Why was he a judge? Was he in a slam dun? I don't think he was in a slam dunk contest. Corey Magetty? Yeah, he was in a slam dunk contest. That might be a good point. I don't think he was. He was like real bad. Him and Brent Berry was like hating on scores, even though they weren't that great anyway.
SPEAKER_01Uh I can't. Oh, here we go. Oh no, sources of the collab occupied by it if you continue to be unassigned. Uh unassigned.
SPEAKER_03Oh if not, we can move on. It's no big deal.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, I can't do it. All right, well, no worries. Well, look, I uh tell me if I start cracking. I'll try to show it again and see if I start crackling. All right, here we go. Supporters, the first dunk for the fellow rookie. All right, there's his trash ass dunk.
SPEAKER_02Get a score.
SPEAKER_01What's your thoughts on that dunk? Hold on, wait a minute, because it's it's I'm about to. I'm gonna give you access. Sorry, yeah.
Why The Dunk Contest Lost Its Magic
SPEAKER_03That was the little joint by Jay Richardson's uh son. Yeah, it was it was you talking about Jay Richardson or you talking about this Lakers dude? No, Jay Richardson. I ain't showed the Lakers yet. Okay, Jay Richardson. Man, I personally think it wasn't good at all. It was kind of blah. And he just I know they say you gotta get a dunk in the first, like you gotta get at least one dunk in. It was just boring. He was playing the safe, and because of the video they was playing beforehand, it was kind of hyping it up, but he was just trying to survive, right?
SPEAKER_01All right, let's play a second one. Yeah, I hear me crackling. We'll play the second one real quick. What in the hell was that? Let me see if they showed it in the motion. Oh, they didn't even show it, but all we did was tap it from one hand to the other.
SPEAKER_03At least he tried, though, man. At least he tried. What kind of dance is that? I have no idea. You say it's a Bay Area thing. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I'm from the Bay Area. Oh, yeah, that's right. I can't call it. Look one more time. Look, he's dancing, still dancing, still dancing.
SPEAKER_02Looks like it is.
SPEAKER_01Like he did. That was nice. That was all right. That was nice. The nice of the year.
SPEAKER_03That was the best one of the night.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was the best. No, because he couldn't get the final one down.
SPEAKER_02Better do something special.
SPEAKER_01That was nice. That was nice. I've seen that 50 times with that perhaps.
SPEAKER_03You subscribe. One of the commentators said, let's be honest. And it was funny when he said this, he almost alluded to most people believe the slam tongue contest is trash. Because he said, Let's be honest, y'all. We've seen almost every single dunk there is, and it gives the impression, at least for me, like they know it's getting old and tired. No one's doing nothing like you know, out of the ordinary. You know what I mean? It's always the same stuff. Turn around, dunk, dunk between the legs. It's like the same stuff, jump over somebody, right?
SPEAKER_01I will say it's not we've seen better dunks on YouTube. If you just YouTube good dunks, and now, granted, this is not on the big stage, it's just in somebody's gym at LA Fitness or something, but a lot better dunks than this crap.
SPEAKER_03Question Do you think if stars like well, I think LeBron would do even at his old ass age, he would do a lot better. Just go down there and do your little LeBron dunk. If you got these stars like LeBron, Anthony Edwards, Alexander, VJ Edgecom, you know, some you know, some star ballers in the dunk contest. Do you think if we saw the same dunks, we would be as exciting?
SPEAKER_01Um that's a good question. Maybe. Maybe a little bit more.
SPEAKER_03Cause like, come on, like when they show the reaction from Giannis from that one dude's dunk, and I'm thinking, like, what is he getting? What is he gawking at? It wasn't that great.
SPEAKER_01It wasn't none of them were except for the one, the last one. But none of them were good. None of them were good at all. It's it's pretty disheartening when you think about what the dunk contest was to what it is now. It sucks. You think they should cut it? No, they can't. They can't. They just was waiting for somebody to come in the league. You remember the last guy that won the dunk contest? Sorry if it's still clipping. I think I hear it. The last guy who won the dunk contest wasn't even in the NBA. That's what they should do. Who's that? Matthew McCollin, McClawin, the white dude who went to Philly. He played for Philly.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. Someone said to cancel the dunk contest, all the wild moves have been taken. I think I I agree with that. Only thing I would say is one thing I'll say about the heat, dude. He tried to play to the crowd. Some of that is a lot of it. Is like let's be the one dunk Dwight Howard did. Remember that year when he did the Superman dunk, which in my opinion really wasn't a dunk. Right. He just threw it in. Well, you put the cape on and stuff. That's what people want to see. Right. You know what I'm saying? Get out there, do a breakdance move, and dunk the ball. I bet you people would give you a high score. It's about playing to the crowd. Right.
Formats, Effort, And What Fans Want
SPEAKER_01You're right. You're right. It just is really bad. It's the whole all-star experience is not the same anymore. You remember they tried the whole uh uh the best thing was the little uh little obstacle course, I guess that's the best way to describe it. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The skills joint. Yeah, they took it out because Chris Paul cheated at the end. He cheated. You remember that? No. Uh hopefully it stops clipping because it's bothering me. Uh, but so there's a a part where you have to shoot uh at the free throw line at three-point line, right? And that and then the other stuff is passing and dribbling through. So, of course, the shooting takes the most amount of time unless you hit the first shot. Well, all they did was grab the ball, throw it up, grab, throw, grab, throw, and moved on. So they didn't even care they missed, they weren't even trying to make it, they were just like, I'll miss all three, and so they got the best time. Well, they got disqualified because they said they basically didn't even try, which was smart. They played the rules, they played the game. But anyway, yeah, the all-star game is trash. I'm gonna watch it tonight. On and off, they have the target score, BS, because they think the target score means they're gonna play better. All that means is when they get down, they uh I don't even know about yeah, they got so you know how all-star games used to play the time. Well, now it's to a score, so they have three teams instead of just an all-star team. So there's three different teams, one plays the other, and then they play for the final, and they play, I forgot what the score is 40. I don't know what it is, but it's a whole new format, and they're trying to improve it. We'll see. We'll see. It's trash, right? Trash, trash, trash, trash, trash. Why?
SPEAKER_03Like this there's a there's a big difference between uh doing something new to give it a little bit, make it more fresh, uh, and keeping something traditional. To me, the all-star game uh is in my opinion, a collection of folks who've had uh a great year and they were voted by the fans, and the fans want to see them play. Right. If the in the past, when they played, and I get it, some of it, and I'm curious to see what you think, and I'll be quiet in a second. Oh, you good. Is it uh is it because the pla is it a players' fault they don't play with enough intensity to make it interesting, or is it the fans don't want to see that type of play? They want to see like kind of like some um courtyard kind of play. Which one is it?
SPEAKER_01I think it's a combination of both. Uh I'll say the three-point shot has messed everything up because now anybody wants to do is go down there and just shoot threes, and when they hit two in a row, they all go crazy, like it's the best thing in the world. So now all you get is a bunch of people just going down there shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. So it's not even basketball anymore. I'll say the last good all-star game was when Kobe played. Yes, yes, that was the last good one.
SPEAKER_03When them dudes played like their life was on the line, they did not want to lose. I mean, they were playing hard defense, right? And I, as a fan, want that's what I want to see. I don't care if the score if they don't score 100 points, I want to see the best the NBA has to offer, and that part of that is the defense, right? I don't want to see people about to dunk and people just move out the way. And one time I forgot the one NBA star said, I just watched, I was on the court, but I was a fan. I just wanted to see him dunk. I don't want to see that. Yep, I want to see you play like represent your conference. It's no the NFL's the same way. It seemed like I think I'm not a baseball fan, but the major league major league baseball has not done that yet, right? They play full nine innings, yep, and you know, between the national league and American League. That's what the NFL and NBA need to go back to.
SPEAKER_01But they vote for something.
SPEAKER_03Who the uh in Major League Baseball?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, if you win your team gets home field advantage in the World Series.
SPEAKER_03What? I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, your league, yeah. The AFC or NFC, whatever it's called, National League, American League, they get a home advantage. I didn't know that. Yeah, so they actually played for something.
SPEAKER_03But even then, I don't I would argue didn't the NBA play for like money.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but they don't care. They gotta know all them players in there are making seven, eight figures. Easy, easy, they don't care.
SPEAKER_03That's unfortunate. I didn't know, you know, thanks for enlightening me. I didn't know that. I don't see the big deal in getting home field advantage because some of these teams ain't gonna make the playoffs anyway, right? I think I look at it as pride, like, and not only that, uh the the fact that you were voted in to represent your conference, your team. Uh uh, I I would think that's enough. But if that's not, then that's the problem with the players. That's unfortunate.
Last Great All-Star Memories
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it is pretty bad. It is really bad. I'm gonna watch a little bit today, just a little bit, not not a lot, just a little bit. But we'll see.
SPEAKER_03Yo, can we transition? Yeah, ready. Yo, what's the name of the sport with the girls lying on the sled going down the joint? You know, box. No, it's not boxing, it's something else. But I love that sport, bro.
SPEAKER_01It's like Lou where they're laying on her back.
SPEAKER_03No, they lean on his stomach.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I think it's Lou or something like that.
SPEAKER_03Yo, that's my new favorite sport besides curling. Oh my god, curling.
SPEAKER_01Curling is is the joint, bro. That's how you know you're old. That's how you know you're getting old. That's how you know you're getting old when curling is your number one sport. That's the joint, man. Curling, yeah, yo.
SPEAKER_03Hey, that one sport when ladies lying down on the sled. Oh man. I think they're going fast or something like that. Okay, it's a it's a great sport. Oh, my bad.
SPEAKER_00I guess I guess.
SPEAKER_03But anyway, the winter Olympics has been interesting. I don't know if you've been watching, yeah, just seeing some of the drama behind it. Like they showed, they were talking about the uh, I don't know, it's a schlamm event, but anyway, skiing going downhill. The Swedish were like the favorites, yeah. And I guess the one girl fell several times. Several, you know what I mean? Go ahead, go ahead. No, go, go, go, go. I'm gonna go. Oh, yeah, they they felt she fell down a couple of times and the nounc was like, Oh my god, she if just a drama like she fell. Oh my god, my god, she fell. And uh then they came back, and the Swedes still won. That's how good they are, and then it was another one where it was an American and a Japanese skier. They was going down, it was the one where their legs are kind of going up and down. It's weird. I don't know how they do it, they gotta have strong knees, right?
SPEAKER_00Right, right.
SPEAKER_03But the the American fell, and it was like, oh my god, she fell. Tragedy, tragedy. But the Japanese skier, she she skied outside the control panel. I didn't know what it was till this event, but there's you gotta stay within the red and flag. She fell out. So the American, when you fall, she took a big fall, too. She could have just stopped, but she got and kept skiing, and because of that, she won. Just because the Japanese girl went outside the control panel. Oh, good. Look it up. Yeah, that was crazy.
SPEAKER_01Uh my own chance. Oh, good. Just commented and said, DC. I don't know why the hell she's calling you out. Sorry about my thing clipping. Let me wait for it to stop. Man, all right, there we go. But Chief, I'm gonna cuss you out when I see you. Hopefully, you can hear me without clipping it.
SPEAKER_03Hey, hey Chief, I'm sorry, but oh good Lord. Oh good Lord. Oh good Lord.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna cut you out when I see you. Anyway, why the hell you saying? If y'all see a sport, you need to go watch. I wish this thing would stop clipping. It's because my CPU's too high. Gotta be. I told my wife, I said you could never get in that sport.
SPEAKER_03That would be bad. Okay, that's sport. Okay. I could be your coach. Anyway, moving on. Moving on. So anyway, winter Olympics has been interesting. Yeah, it's been pretty good.
SPEAKER_01It's been pretty good. Not bad at all.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Uh you want to talk about security forces thing? Or senior COA pictures?
SPEAKER_03We could we could do the security forces joint.
Incentives That Make Games Matter
SPEAKER_01Uh because I know what he's talking about. Oh don't judge me. Why do you think he likes it? I'm not I'm I'm unfamiliar. Why do you think he likes it? Moving on moving on.
SPEAKER_00Moving on. Yeah. Uh okay. Um moving on to oh no, security security force.
SPEAKER_01So uh if y'all didn't know, sorry my thing is clipping bad. Oh, this sucks so bad. Uh security force here and COA pictures. Now we're gonna go to security forces first, then we'll go to pictures real quick. Real quick with security force, they had a new greeting. Uh they basically chief mass are in the air force. Who do you say is a cop? Was a cop?
SPEAKER_03He he is a core security forces three people.
SPEAKER_01Yep, put out a memo, said all security forces will have a standardized greeting at the gate. And it basically introduced themselves, welcome to the base, and say, fights on, and that's supposed to be like you're good to go. In the backlash of this, which you should have known it was coming, pause. People are making fun of them, which I get. You sound corny. What are you talking about? There was a skit that Wu Man did. Uh maybe we'll put it up here in a second so you can watch it. Uh, but what are your thoughts before I put the skit up?
SPEAKER_03Uh I'll wait and have you put the skit up first. Okay. Yeah, I'll wait until you put it first. What I will say is that's the unfortunate thing about being an SF member, man. Like, I forgot it was a couple of shows somebody said we get held to a higher standard than other ones, other people we do. That's hard. I would argue this memo should apply to everybody. Everybody, not just SF members.
SPEAKER_01Okay, let me show the video and then we go to your point.
unknownGood afternoon. My name is Staff Sergeant Page.
SPEAKER_02Welcome to Andrews Air Force Base. Fight Zone.
SPEAKER_03Alright, audio.
SPEAKER_02Fights on! Yeah, no audio. Yeah, no audio. Oh lord. Good afternoon. My name is Staff Sergeant Page. Welcome to Andrew. Is that a script? Yeah, not yeah. I gotta read off the script. Who do you think you are? Russell from the Disney movie Up? Good afternoon. My name is Russell, and I'm a wilderness explorer from 574. Just get my cat. Just get my cat. Look at I got a balloons in this car. Okay. Fight Zoom! What fight? What fight are you thinking?
SPEAKER_03It's just you.
Quick Pivot To Winter Olympics
SPEAKER_02What fight? No, it's just like an in-general fight. Like not like target, like a specific fight, but just like a fight. Fight target. You know, it's it's stupid. That's stupid. Well, sorry, I don't think it's stupid. Yeah. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is Stab Sergeant Page. Welcome to Andrews Air Force Base. Fight's on. Hey, what what are you so happy for? I mean, you know, hey, the way we greet one another matters. You know, I'm just I'm just being professional and all. Well, my wife is divorcing me. Oh. I'm losing the fight. Ain't no fight no nothing. I can't fight no more. Sorry to hear that. Is there anything I can do? No, you know, you can't do nothing. You would tell me stay dry, huh? Yeah, you know what?
SPEAKER_01Stay dry. There you go. So I think that's kind of the rhetoric of what's going on at the security force of work. All right, your your your comments and then your point.
SPEAKER_03All right. First of all, I would say I understand, I understand the whole gist behind the memo. I think what the memo was trying to address, an old school mentality, which is not entirely wrong, that SF members at the gate represent a supposed to represent the best of the Air Force. So when you're at the gate, is the first thing people see when they enter an installation. And because of that, they expect SF members to act a certain way and act accordingly. So you don't just check an ID and say, all right, see you later, or have a nice day. They want you to be even more professional to turn it up a notch. However, I would argue it is for everybody. When this memo went out and then it got leaked out for everybody to see, it put SF members in a position where they're going to be even more scrutinized at the gate by anybody, by your civilians, your different AFSCs. So when they go through the gate, it puts them in a position to get made fun of because they're like, hey, where's your greeting at? Or you didn't do the greeting the way it's supposed to be done, or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03What should have happened is, and I don't know if it did. Let me preface this by saying, I don't know if it did. But what should have happened is there should have been a conversation between senior Air Force leaders and senior SF leaders and presented this idea and let the SF leaders handle it, and it would have been internal. And so internally, SF members across the enterprise or leaders would have handled it. And the public wouldn't have known. They would have been like, Hey, have you heard the defender at Altus give a briefing about the base saying the fight's on or down with the communism or whatever he would say? I didn't know it was going to happen. They was going to say that. Versus it putting it out in the memo. And last thing I'll say is it should have been for everybody. Why don't we get the same greeting when you go into a finance office? I love finance because I need y'all to do my stuff squared away. Let me say I love finance.
SPEAKER_01Not saying I love them because I need them. That is crazy. But anyway, I love them because I need them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'll be quiet.
SPEAKER_01Uh, so you want somebody in finance to be like, How you doing today? Fight on.
SPEAKER_03Not now. Finance is a great legal finance loan, they're the greatest. I love finance. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01So you want somebody when you walk in the CE and be like, Hey, my AC is out. We'll be right there. Fights on.
SPEAKER_03No, that's kind of um welcome to the 355th Comptroller Squadron. Fight fights on. I know every base is different. Like a you know, DM, it'd be like, Welcome to the 355th Comptroller Squadron, rescue and attack.
SPEAKER_01What's wrong with that? Okay, rescue and attack feels like in a culture. That's something that's been around probably since the base has been there.
SPEAKER_03Well, fights on is I mean, I think they say the same thing in Korea. Dell, if you did, let me know. But I think in Korea they did the same thing. I don't know. Fight the base. That's what they said. Fight the base.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know that uh I think it's Maxwell or something like that. They say uh stay lethal. That's what it is. Stay lethal.
SPEAKER_03Stay lethal.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Stay lethal. Uh, you're frozen, by the way. Can you pop out and pop back in?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01All right. But uh, I think it's corny, I think it's crazy. Uh, I think people, the reaction to the video is probably more spot on than not. And I actually think that uh people have a right to react that way. They have a right to react that way, and then another memo went out and said basically, if you make fun of these people, you're going to uh hold to article 92 UCMJ, basically making fun of a century. Now, do I do agree? Just go through the gate, show your ID, have them do their job and move on. Uh, Davis P say, oh, Maxwell says stay sharp.
SPEAKER_03I'm about to say lethal is weird for me.
Security Forces Greeting Memo Fallout
SPEAKER_01Yeah, stay sharp. They when I went through shirt school, they said stay lethal. I was like, all right, I'm just going to school, but okay, I'll do my best. I'll do my best. So I think he's putting stop. Uh okay, let me not go on my rant. Uh no, I'm gonna go on a little rat. F it. Stop thinking like a cop. Get out of your chief master in the air force, you're not a security forces airman. Get out of that. Uh famous flavor one said, Airmen have to worry about doing changeover properly. Say a greeting to recite a post brief in the leadership and study their QCs a lot on SF members more than other AFSEs. I agree. That's a lot. That's a lot.
SPEAKER_03Is he saying that that's why they shouldn't do the greeting?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's saying they have a lot more to worry about than that, than just that. Nobody else has to do it.
SPEAKER_03I don't think that's a reason why you shouldn't do the greeting. I don't think that's that's legit, anyway. My opinion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but uh tell Chief Master of the Air Force if Dave Wolf is listening to this man, stop worrying about cops so much. You got a whole military to worry about, worrying about them. Cool. You want to put out this memo? That's kind of your first memo, maybe your second one. Maybe the patches was the first one, but bro, you got more stuff to worry about. That that was not I get the intent. You want to standardize the greeting. I kid, I get that. Don't be mad at people for making fun of it because it is really corny, it's very corny. People don't all think that they're part of the fight the same way, and then back to the skit when somebody says, like, man, I got a lot of stuff going on. What do you want me to fight? Now that's an internal thing, that's an internal his problem thing, not a military problem thing. He's gonna have to figure that out himself. But I will say you did open up people for scrutiny for getting laughed at, and they just don't need that. They need to. You remember when you were in and security forces was like you need to be lethal at the gate, you need to look, have lethality. I think that's what it was. You need to have lethality. That's going out the window. Now it's like a Walmart greeter fights on fights on.
SPEAKER_03Uh I I am almost there as far as agreeing with you. The only thing I would say our caveat is I do think part of being one part and being part of being lethal at the gate is one, you look the part, you be the part at the gate. Because let's be honest, my fellow defenders that's at the gate right now, not all of them, but a vast majority of them do not look the part. They look lazy, they look like they're not interested. A lot of them are now trained well, and they don't look alert. Now, again, not all of them. Shout out to the good gate guards and NCOs who's out there taking care of them, but it's not a lot of y'all out there. This greeting that they want defenders to do at the gate guy, I agree, it does not make them more lethal, it doesn't make them more alert and anything, it adds to professionalism. Yep, I'm all for that. I agree, but it should not have been a memo, and maybe the intent was for the memo to just go to defenders, but somebody, and it's not just in uh Simsaf Wolf's camp, but for years, somebody's a mo or several moles. Oh, yeah, and the DOD in the Air Force that when these memos get signed, they hit the street before the leaders get them. Yep, that's really part of the problem. Yeah, because I'm I assume that maybe that wasn't the intent for it to go out to everybody. Somebody in the camp is a mole. What should have happened is there should have been a conversation between SimSAF's office or the CSAF office and the top cop and say, look, this is what I observed for the past couple of years. The defenders, we value them as being professionals at the gate. They're the first thing they see when first thing people see when they come on installation, we want them to be more professional. And because of that, this is what I want to see happening. Right, let the defender leaders take care of it internally, and if they don't, then you deal with them behind closed doors or whatever. But when you put the memo out the way things are today, and the way people see defenders, that's why they get made fun of at the gate. And it's easy for me, an old guy, to say, so what people make fun of us. It's not easy for the young defender out there. There you go. They they out there and they like, Welcome to Joint Base San Antonio, the gateway to the Air Force. And then people be like, or it's bad enough. Some officers don't even salute them back. Let's not even talk about that.
SPEAKER_00There you go.
SPEAKER_03It's bad enough that, or they got to deal with the civilian who's retired and mad, you know, they ain't getting no salute. So I think there could have been a better way to communicate it. And then I would argue again, it should have gone out to all the Air Force. A blanket memo. Hey, look, we're in the Air Force, we're in the profession of arms. Everyone is expected to treat visitors at your office with respect and professionalism. Right. Doesn't matter you're a defender, an admin troop, a maintainer, an engineer, a pilot, whoever. You need to come up internally. What makes you proud about your organization or institution? And that should be part of your agreement. Greeting. At the least, it should be baseline. Good morning, evening, afternoon, sir, ma'am. Welcome to insert your office. How can I help you?
SPEAKER_01Okay, just leave it at that. Yeah, I agree. And like you say, you hit the nail on the head. For me, I wouldn't care. I'd be up there and have fun with it. Good morning. Welcome to Blank Air Force Base. My name is Matt Sarn, whatever. Fight someone. I'm gonna have fun with it. You're gonna get you gonna get reported. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'ma get the gate guard at the gate is is playing around. I'm gonna be motivated. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna have fun with it. But a lot of young defenders worried about their reputation, worried about how they look at all times and all this other stuff. And so they might take it a different type of way. Totally understand, totally agree with that. I totally agree with that, and that's why it needs to stop. So I'll ask you over under how long until this is dead, a dead won't die.
SPEAKER_03It'll just well, uh I may put it this way when you say dead, there won't be a memo that'll come out. No, yeah, defenders are no longer doing right. It's just I would argue it's dead now because there's some defenders ain't doing it now, right? To protect the innocent. I've been on several installations in the past two days. I haven't heard no greeting. I haven't heard it, so they're not going, they're just not gonna do it. Nope. Which am I saying they're wrong for not doing it? I think what should happen should be because commanders in the field, as they should, they're making decisions on the fly. So maybe they're telling their people not to do it, or that's not your primary you know, concern, right? Your primary concern is you know, security at the gate. However, airmen are gonna translate it as it's not that big a deal if I don't do it. And the problem is the people that come through the gate, they're looking for it. Yeah, and then they're gonna start complaining to the wing commander, and then the pressure's gonna come down. So, what should happen, in my opinion, should be a reattack from your SF leaders to the SimSAF or the CSAF and say, hey, look, we're taking care of it, just give us a little bit of grace. You may miss it, and we may miss it a couple of times, and then if I was, I'm not, but if I was it's the simsaf, I would go to a gate. And if our main thing I would be concerned about one, security, two, professionalism, three, the greeting. If I come through the gate, they check my ID, they look professional, and they say, Thank you, have a good day, sir. I'm not gonna blow a top because they didn't say this greeting right now. If I come through the gate, number one, they didn't check my ID, that's a problem. Number two, they say, uh, they check my ID. All right, be good, man. All right, bro. Be then there's a problem, right? The the the greeting would be you know on the back end.
SPEAKER_01Uh, let me see. Uh Scott Roy, sorry you had a comment on here. I I they're not coming up on here, and I turned my stuff off trying to save some CPU. But uh it says, uh, didn't even speak with Donnie G before being released. Uh, my only frustration with it is they should have spoken with the career field managers first, and like DC said it could have been handled internally. My only frustration, okay. He said, Yep, I agree with that. I agree.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it just it gives the it's bad enough. How would I put it? I I don't want to be rude, but it's bad enough. SF members feel like SF in general get a shit sandwich. I had my wish, I missed my sensor, but they get a doo-doo sandwich, and then you add this on top, right? I would argue to your point when you say memo, I'm sure that's not the only memo he put out, but how about we give defenders more resources that we need? The year of the defender. Yeah, so no, don't give me all the year the year.
SPEAKER_01The year of the defender, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, anyway, we'll get off this so we can you know get to our last topic.
Professionalism vs Performance At The Gate
SPEAKER_03Can I quickly do a quick rant on identifier tabs? Yeah, yeah, please. Somebody educate me, or not even educate me, somebody steer me in the right direction. Are you happy that uh I identifier tabs are back? I don't really that big a deal. Some airmen care. I don't care. I I just why could we not? If we're gonna bring it back, why can't we just bring it back to what it was intended to do? Identify special specific career fields. Why? Why do I have to see nuke and SFTY? What's SFTY? Safety, I think. Safety, sure, ports, chaps.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you you felt the same way when Zen. Let me read this real quick. It says, oh God, we figured it out. We have one person do the greeting while the other takes the ID and scans it. Tag team, hashtag lightwork. We're not complaining at R A F Fairfield? Fairford? Where's Fairford?
SPEAKER_03That's in England.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. Well, shout out to you. Hey, make it happen, make it happen. Uh you ready to go to this last topic because this is gonna be funny. All right. So the senior CO non-commission academy has graduated class, I think last week or Thursday, or something like that. Uh, and in all their graduations, they put all their pictures up on Facebook. Uh, so they put up their class pictures. Well, this is access the Air Force Senior Non-Commission Officer Academy uh class 26 Charlie is up. Boy, how you call them dudes out. What the F were they doing? I want you to look at some, and we're gonna call out the good ones and bad ones, the good ones and bad ones. So I'm gonna put these up here and we're gonna go through all of these so we can look at them together and let y'all see. These are senior non commissioned officer academy graduate. They're gonna put on senior non senior NCO, one away from the top rank in the United States, top enlisted rank. The United States Air Force. Your comments before we go.
SPEAKER_03I just want to preface by saying this is for the senior NCO Academy, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes. So they already got senior NCO on. No, they either have a line number or you know they're about to put it on. So they were tech sergeants in the class. No, no, no, no. They're all masters, either about to put on senior or putting on senior. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03I'll just it don't matter. It's it's semantics. All right, proceed on. I'm sorry. Semanics.
SPEAKER_01All right. So I'll give you access so you ain't gotta look online. It shows better on the uh horizontal than on the vertical. It shows way better. Let me see if I can stretch this out on the vertical. So y'all can uh it's kind of hard to see, but here we go. All right, this is the first picture, and I'll say mostly it's the men, not the women. I'll say that. The first thing I want you to do is look at the pants. We look at this guy right here. I back to back. What it's supposed to be put your curse on okay, there you go. One break in the pants. This is their graduation photo. What the freak is going on here now? Wrinkliness. I don't, I don't I'm not gonna be too mad about. But why your pants look like three legs are in it? First picture. We'll just keep going through. These are all class pictures. This is nice, nice little picture. Once again, the pants over here, a little bit big, a little baggy. Let me uh let me move you up here. Wow. There I go back. All right, so this is the senior NCOA graduate. Look at Devon McCoy. I'm surprised you ain't pee out here uh sniping photo. I'm not I'm not sniping them. They put this out for everybody to see. I'm gonna need the comment to police the photos before they release out 100%. Oh, it gets better. Oh, it gets better. This is a nice class photo. Everybody got the little right to left, you know. Nice class photo. Like I said, the women actually look presentable. Nice photo, whatever. Everybody looks a little pretty sharp in this.
SPEAKER_03Wait, but there is one though.
SPEAKER_01There is one though. Yeah, yeah. I think that's the picture, too. Oh, it is. Let me uh zoom. While I'm zooming in, can you uh go out and go back in? Uh Devon McCoy says, Man, I would drag somebody out the car if they trolled me at the gate. Uh while I guess these uniform inspections been working. Hey, shout out to Jarvis Thompson, who is uh I think he's a chief now. Correct me wrong if you if you if you are, correct me uh if I'm wrong, but I swear you're a chief now. Uh I don't see uh anything too wrong with these pictures. I mean, she's a little big at the end, but that's okay. That's which one you talking about on the far left end.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh oh, let me give you access to my sister. Man, my sister, like her jacket is screaming, man. Let me see. She got here too much milk. Too much milk. That's not bad. The pants to the other side, yeah. Yeah, right there to the left, right there. The sister, the third one from the left. Right there. Look at her jacket. It's a little big.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it's gonna get worse. No, bro. I retired.
SPEAKER_03Proceed on dang.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I retired in 13 days. Oh, you retire with chief. That's what's up. That's what's up. What's up? Hey, all right, going on. Uh, this picture, not too bad. I don't know what uh O Buddy's doing over here, uh, with his look, but uh little crazy look right here. Uh, of course, you can't see the people in the back. Uh, my man's uniform top is uh one one Charlie sub away. One Charlie sub away from breaking the damn button. Chief said, Pete, you so childish. I'm just I didn't put these out. I don't know why they didn't look at it. Oh, he gets better. Oh, he gets better. This is our latest seniors. These are senior RE8s in the United States Air Force. Some could be guard reserved. Nice picture, nice picture. Everybody looks pretty presentable here. Nice ribbon rack. My my shirt, my diamond right here. Nice ribbon rack. Appreciate that. You got any comments for this? Nice right over left, left over right, like it. And look, the command's in every picture. So he sees it. He sees it now.
SPEAKER_03Now, in all defense, I think the commandant square, I know him pretty well anyway. But in his defense, the real question is I thought they were supposed to QC this before they even got get to their school.
SPEAKER_01The instructor, what happened? I remember when I was in church school, we had so many uniform inspections. All right, looking at this, uh, not bad. Everybody looks pretty. The haircuts are on point. I will say that. Haircuts are on point. The haircuts are good. Everybody got their hair squared away. Everybody looks very presentable here. My man in the middle, he looks real, looks like an elite gate guard standing like that. But uh, nice picture there. Nice picture. Uh, here, not too bad. Uh comment out the front of everybody. I don't know what my man's doing here, but uh, not too bad. Not too bad. Everybody looks good, everybody looks good.
SPEAKER_03Not no big guardian dude is is representing Guardian representing right there.
SPEAKER_01Oh, right here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Far right.
Internal Fixes Beat Public Memos
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Um we're going to this picture. Not too uh you got the pear rescue with his uh pants on right here. So nice, nice picture right there. Uh pants not too big. Everybody looking good. So we're we're on a roll. We're on a roll.
SPEAKER_03Dumb buttons is the key key indicator, though. The front buttons.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah. We're on the roll.
SPEAKER_03You got the wrinkles.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Ladies look nice over here, look nice over there. Men looking nice too. My man up front, look uh, like I said, the pants, a little bit big, but that's okay. That's okay. Uh, nice picture here. So we're on a roll, we're on a roll, we're doing really good. Uh, up front, my man right here, the pants got about 12 12 wrinkles to him, got a lot of creases on him. A lot of creases. Uh, young lady over here, they're a little wrinkly, and then you got my man right here, DC. DC. What happened? Where was the flood in Alabama? Bro, you've been out there for four or five weeks. You couldn't get it them hemmed, you couldn't get it some added material. You could have borrowed some from him and put it on yours. Oh man, that's oh man, you could have borrowed from him and put it on yours.
SPEAKER_00That's bad. Like, come on, bro.
SPEAKER_03Something for the young airman watching this picture, man. This is not good.
SPEAKER_01Hey, this is your fault. Young lady right here, she looks very sharp. The navy next to Navy guy, both of them look really sharp in their uniform. Navy guy looks really sharp in his uniform. Uh, everybody looks pretty sharp right here. Not bad here, not bad here. Oh shoot. This class was struggling. Got the boot, got the boot on. All right, bro. This man right here needs to be fired. What the freak is oh that's like I don't even blame him. Why didn't somebody tell him whoever the hell was taking this picture needs to be fired.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, yeah. Y'all gonna have Patreon for these pictures of blues now, huh?
SPEAKER_01Why didn't he just go to the back? He probably didn't know behind somebody. First of all, even if it was up, it's way too far over. Your stuff is touching your collar. Actually, it's nothing wrong with it. Just tilt your head a little bit when you look at him. Yeah, you got to control body. Uh young ladies up front, you know. You guys are fine, everybody's fine here. I don't know what's up with your look over. He's probably trying to suck in, trying to probably hold it in right here. That's why his face look all crazy like that. You're gonna try to suck all that in. These are senior non-commissioned officers. We go back to the parachute pants. We pay oh man back there with the with the Viking beard. He's look he's squared away. He in the back. Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot. Of course, I'm uh who who you talking about? Hold on, let me go back in here. The Viking, the Thor in the background. We go back to where we were at. Oh, there we are. Uh I don't see no Vikings.
SPEAKER_03Hey, do they all do the maybe they should do the greeting? Cirenzo Academy class, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_01Blues, dude up front, and this is dude right up front. Right up front. Look at your pants, bro. You could tell yours was been on the hanger the whole time because you got this line right. You didn't even try to do nothing with it. And then look at look, like you said about the button. When when your uh uh chest is sitting there stretching, bruh. Like, young lady, like you're saying attention. I guess you need to get the memo. Look at the devil dog back here, the devil dog back here, ready for business. He's ready for business. Uh yeah, you you ain't passing the PT test. But anyway, moving on. Uh I my man right here, like this class didn't get the memo. They didn't get one, two, three. He's looking like he's gonna beat the hell out of the city. So now we see all this. Whose fault is this?
SPEAKER_03Who's ultimately whose fault is this?
SPEAKER_01These people right here. The the instructors, the instructor. Why would you why would he look at looking got another flood? He's waiting for a flood. One break. This man got no breaks. This man ain't got no one break in the pants. This is nice. You got young late right here, sharp. One break in the pants. You should have taught everybody, chief over here. Hey, you got one break your leg, your pant leg. I don't blame you for that. You probably been moving around like a lot. I don't blame you for that. That's all right. He didn't get the one, two, three. He just where the hell you looking at. Somebody probably tell him fix his pants. That's probably what they probably tell. He's like, What? Wow. Then they got what's with these. What's up with dude right there? Right. Well, yeah, yeah. What's up with that picture with that pose? That's I told you. Somebody he probably tells him fix your pants. He's like, huh.
Uniform Standards On Blast
SPEAKER_03You know, usually, like, usually they do a once over everybody. Jarvis says failure at multiple levels, students, instructors, and comedy. Who so Jarvis, I agree with you. I guess when you assign blame and levels, you have to, I would argue, look first at the students because they're all senior NCOs. So, and the class, then you can go to the class president, right? I would imagine if you were a class president, you would look over everybody, and more importantly, the instructor, too. And then you have the cameraman. Because usually the cameraman, when I went through, they made sure everybody looked straight before they snapped the picture. Yep. But it's almost like they almost like, let's just take these pictures and keep going. Look at the cop right here. Look at the cop, sharp, crisp.
SPEAKER_01You can tell the difference between this is the difference between cops and other career fields, and maybe active duty. Sharp, you can tell he cares. Tell he cares. The lady right next to him. I don't know what this. I don't, you're you're hurting. You should have took it. Look at my man right here. Coat. That boy got on a uh what those big ass coats are. What the fuck is this? What is this? Like a blanket. Oh my god, you got a snuggie on. What is this? These are senior NCOAs. This is not Air Force. I feel so dirty right now. Like you could tell he's trying to pull everything in. You should have tucked everything back. The guy behind you shouldn't have held it back.
SPEAKER_03Yo, hey, at least it ain't too unless it ain't too small, it's just too big. Way too big.
SPEAKER_01Way that's about hey, that's you were on Ozimpic. It helped you out. What shot you, but you should have got a new coat. That's her fault. She should be fired. She should be fired. Fired. What happened to Srr? They must not be doing them. They must all right. I'm done. I think we're done. We get the point.
SPEAKER_03Yo, get ready. They're gonna be coming for us, boys.
SPEAKER_01The best uniform is maternity uniform. It's the best one. David P said these photos were taken after walking on stage. This wasn't a professional stage photo. I don't give a fuck when the damn things were taken. So you tell me this is after they got their diploma. So somebody already seen them. My bad. This is the best one in the maternity uniform. All right, I'm done.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Senior. And this is why we, you know, the Air Force don't get no respect from our senior NCOA Corps. Do better. Or senior NCO core. Do I have have I had times where I had a mess up uniform?
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_01For sure.
SPEAKER_03Let's be honest. We're not saying we're perfect. I'm not the uniform uh expert. You know what I mean? I never always had, I've had some times where I had some uniform um issues that happen, whatever. Well, I think to your point, I think what you're trying to illustrate here is that these are professional photos that will remain in time. And I think if I'm not mistaken, they will be any archives of the senior NCO Academy. And some of these folks that you pointed out will be etched in memory. I think that's the key. And there are so many things that could have happened to avoid it that from happening. I think that's what you're trying to say.
SPEAKER_01When you when you say everything, I know it's fun, and we're on a podcast having fun with it, but when you say everything, that is the key. A counter freaking ability, accountability for yourself, and accountability for others. Like Jarvis says, failures are multiple levels, like you said. Shame on the class leader, shame on the individual, shame on the instructor, shame on your quote unquote classmates. Bro, I would be pissed. Pissed if I was looking like that and nobody told me. Oh my god. Pissed. Don't have me out here looking stupid, and y'all know and don't say nothing. Pissed.
SPEAKER_03I think that also illustrates or hammers home the point. You as a I would expect an young airman to not be concerned about how they look on picture in service dress booze. An NCO, I would expect more, but a senior NCO, no excuse. Because at some point you gotta realize, like, my coat don't fit. You might be able to skate past it because you don't wear it often. But if you're going to a PME and you're gonna be taking pictures and you're gonna be on stage, that is not the day to say, I'll just power through so I don't have to buy another coat or a pair of shoes. Yo, just pay the money because if you don't care, hey, that's you, but your troops are gonna see it, your commander's gonna see it, and regardless of what anybody says, the way you look in uniform will have people judge you on how competent you are in your position. Chris Pettis says the commodity looks amazing, set a heart. He should. I know, I think it's uh Chief Temple, phenomenal dude, if I'm not mistaken, phenomenal dude, awesome dude. But his out you can argue between his staff and the president, or let's first first, among other things, the students themselves failed each other because they should have policed each other. That's the number one. I won't say I'm not gonna sit here and say it's his fault or his staff's fault. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual student. Gene Harrison, what's up, brother?
SPEAKER_01What's up, bro? This is why I think graduation is a bunch of BS. This is why I think Commandant Award, Levito Award, all that stuff is a bunch of BS, man. All these standards they try to say. Now, should you send somebody home for that? Probably not, but you should identify and tell them to fix it and then put it on the individual fixing it. And that's just we could go back through and see the other classes from this year. I'm looking at now. They're all the same, they're all the same. Here, look at this one. This is uh let me give you accent. This is B. First one I pull up. This is a class that just happened. Oh, good lord. What happened with the dude in the middle? Exactly. Both of them, what the fuck is going on? Like, this really makes me mad more than anything. Look at old buddy's coat. Look at old buddy's coat. Like, what are we doing? Can you hear me? Oh, okay. These are our leaders. He borrowed that uniform. Uh, he borrowed the wrong one. He borrowed the wrong one. Some look sharp, right? I give it to him, some do, but come on now. Like you said, it's picture day. It ain't a surprise. It even like SRR. When you come to SR, you know you look like a bag ass. You just trying to get away with it. I've been there, or they probably don't think somebody's gonna say anything. There you go. But a counter freaking building. That's all I'll say. I'm done with this. We have fun with it. Uh oh, when they graduate again, we're putting these back up here. We're putting these back up here.
SPEAKER_03So let me let me say this so we can just level set. When you say they graduate again, you're putting it up there. What is your your whole purpose behind or message behind this? There's no accountability in our senior NCO ranks, it is all uniforms or just all of all across the board.
SPEAKER_01Well, in this aspect, because pictures are worth a thousand words. I'll just go to uniforms. I don't know in the whole thing, but like you said, if you can't do this, what what else can't you do? Remember, we said it's a small things, and then like I said, not all the time. I've I have messed up things in my uniform that I try to get away with. I'm sure you have too. We all have. I get that. Not during my senior, you need this class to put on senior master sergeant, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, so you have done everything to make it to that next rank or about to, right? Somebody sees potential in you if you haven't made the rank already, and this is how you show up.
SPEAKER_03I would double down and say back to our previous conversation about the memo about a greeting. Yes, just with a memo that goes out. There you go. Like if you as a service member, you are man is mandated that you, and that's the whole point of the SRR, right? Is to you are you are man is mandated that you have a serviceable fitting uniform, all classes, and if you do not, here is what you will face in consequences. So for those folks. That graduate or about to graduate, first of all, back to one of the um individuals' comments in the chat. They should have never attended the school if their uniform looked like that. But if they squeak by, and let's say it was good, but over the time, which you probably wear your whole service coat what twice three times, right? What could have happened for your uniform to end up turning into a blanket on graduation day? Right. I get the name tag because stuff happens. People give you a dab. I get that. But you cannot, there's nothing no excuse for your uniform looking like you just swam the English channel or you got a parachute on as a pair of pants or a jacket. There's no none. None. And you should it should be a conversation like, look, I can't do anything about you as far as um educational-wise. You've met all the requirements to pass, but you will not walk today because your uniform looks crap unless you go get it fixed. Yeah, and to avoid that, you do it a couple of days before graduation. Now I'm sure they rehearsed, perhaps I don't know, I don't know. But if they do rehearse without their service dress, maybe that should be incorporated in it. You wear your service dress for the rehearsal. We get to see you, and as that president of your class, you are mandated that you will inspect every single member along your instructor to make sure. And on the day of graduation, when you show up before you walk on stage and get your award, if your uniform is non-standard, you will not walk.
SPEAKER_01There you go. The new commentatant commandant senior and coa. Let's see, you have a couple comments. Oh shoot. Uh, this just goes to show you that nobody looked that took the SRR seriously. Majority of folks pencil whipped it and leaders happy. I'll tell you where I was at. We didn't. We did that joint in the gym, one at a time, notes on notes on notes. Uh, some people lose weight and don't get new ones, forget they are have to borrow one, still need still needs to be. Uh Oshon or Oshon Jefferson, great comment. Hey, to my chief's comment, way back up here. She said, uh, Pete, you so childish. Chief, I if you're still on here, you know when you have to go somewhere in uniform that you ask somebody to look you over and make sure you're sharp. You don't go outside like that. How the freak are you about to put on E8? Happy as hell to be putting on E8, and then don't and then look like that. And you know what? You're probably phenomenal in class, you're probably terrific in class. Great participant, answered all the questions, had great conversations, good energy, all that boy, and then come out and look like that. And if you didn't, shame on the person who didn't tell you. Shame on them. Like you said, as a cop, if I'm riding with Philly and he's drunk and we get pulled over, he's gonna get in trouble, and I'm gonna get into trouble.
SPEAKER_03Oh shout out to shout out to my man Pete.
Accountability At Every Level
SPEAKER_01That I tell you, man, we took that drug serious. Look at that. Oh my commander took it serious, so I took it serious. She too, she she knows we're standing up there.
SPEAKER_03Man is here when you have folks with infractions. What was the what was the consequence?
SPEAKER_01So it depends on what the fraction infraction was. So if it's something simple like your name tag is cricket, you know, that's a simple fix. If you have to get like new pants or something like that, you had to show your supervisor and whatever your supervisor's time frame frame was to get new pants. Okay, but if it's something like a name tag, ribbon rack, uh, your US insignia stuff like that, then it is no big deal. Uh Pete doing his job out there, bruh. It's a simple job, and all it is, the hardest job you can have as a leader is hold people accountable. It's hard. It is hard. It's not about being friends, it's not about being the cool guy. And if you look at some of these comments on senior NCOA, you know, when their people are graduating, oh, look at my buddy Chris, phenomenal leader. I bet you you need to hold people accountable. And the first person you need to hold accountable is yourself. And if you hold yourself accountable and still make mistakes, it's fine, it's okay. It's okay. But when you come out looking like that for graduation, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. When I was uh when I was in, you would get clowned.
SPEAKER_03It would you still do it, just you maybe not as much as you used to anymore.
SPEAKER_01It wasn't just a standard, you didn't want to be embarrassed. You get uh rap and a bad nickname a hundred percent like duffel butt, yep. Well, duffel bad, you know what I'm saying? You remember when you showed up to that recall in that uniform?
SPEAKER_03There was a reason for that. Don't even put me on frustration. I've never forgot about that. I've never forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01Why? So it was a recall, it's a recall, but I still never forgot about it. It was a legit recall, a legit did not know no notice.
SPEAKER_03Well, at least we didn't know it was a it was what it wasn't like a uniform inspection, it was a contingency. Yeah, we're we're going starting exercise recall. So and I was always taught when you get a recall, you that ain't the time to put on your butt. You just grab what you got and get your gear and get your butt to the dang building. And I looked like a duffel butt that day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you did. You look like you low crawled all the way there and got a dive. I was there though, ready for the fight, though. That's right, fight song. Hey, I agree with that. You you had uh about 47 creases in your uniform.
SPEAKER_03That thing was creased up, you know what I'm saying? But I will say again to double down what I said earlier. This I would like to see that memo come out about this nonsense versus the fight song memo. I would rather see that. And then most people would say, Well, DC, there's no need for that. People should know. Well, if they did, this wouldn't happen, right?
SPEAKER_01And let me let me pause and say this something could have happened to these members. We don't know. We we don't know, you know. Uh uh uh a memo could have been sent back to their base. Uh, you know, it's something something could have happened, something could have gone to their chiefs. Like, we let this person graduate, but their uniform looked like trash. But as the commandant, boy, this is why I could not be the commandant. I would be we would be back in the auditorium. I would be on fire. Fire. Because what else are you there for today but to graduate? And in graduation, it's you know now. If you show up on a random Tuesday throughout the week, you forgot to iron or whatever, your uniform's wrinkled. I'm like, hey bro, you know, maybe put a little something, put it in the dryer or something, you know, get some of those wrinkles out. But this graduation day, what else are you doing?
SPEAKER_03Getting your tickets booked so you can leave Maxwell in Alabama.
SPEAKER_01Like for shirt graduation, man, we did about 12 or 30. You know, everybody everybody does a stupid uh um what's the thing called where you get the the hairs off? Get like the roller. Everybody does this lint roller, everybody has a lint roller. We had about 45 lint rollers, everybody had a lint roller, which is cool. But best believe, best believe, the three or four days before I graduated, I made sure I put my stuff in the cleaners. Made sure. And before, I wish I think Chief can attest to this. Before I went to shirt school, I bought a new blue jacket.$235. The only time I wore it was for SR, graduation, and my retirement. That's it.$235, that's the only time I wore it. Because my other one was too small. Bite the bullet.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I agree. I'm done. I agree. And you know, and and there are sometimes we've all we've we said earlier, all of us are guilty. We've had a bad day with a uniform. However, there are certain days where you cannot have a bad day, and that's when you're taking a picture for a class. You cannot afford to have a bad day. And even if so, somebody should be there to bail you out and say, bruh, you don't look good in your uniform. I remember one time, real quick story, yeah, when I was an op super Andrews, you know, brand new singer. I wanted to look good, went out and bought some new ABUs, and I put my new tabs on there and stuff. And I was about to go out to a meeting to talk to the flights. Good old Chad Goff, who's now the command chief out there at Eglin, caught me because I put the wrong services tab on there. I put services instead of uh force protection. Right. And he was able to tell me, he didn't matter, he was a uh tech sergeant. He's like, hey senior, I just want to help you out. You got the wrong tab on, man, it's services. And I was like, Are you sure? And I looked it up, sure as crap, it was the wrong one. That's what you need. Put the rank aside, swallow your pride, and have somebody QC you so that way you don't look like a fool when you get out there.
SPEAKER_01Yep. And that's my thing. If you if you uh are my friend, co-worker, partner, whatever you want to call it, don't have me looking stupid, bruh. Yeah, especially like the dude with the name tag is not his fault. Yeah, things happen. I would have still gotten back of the line, but but he probably didn't know. I wouldn't have known. I don't look down at my name tag, I have no idea. I'm thinking, you know what? It's funny, once you put on your uniform, like put on all your ensembles, you just hope they stay in the same place. I would ever look at him be like, I might touch it from time to time, be like, all right, still there, blah blah blah. Especially you had the magnets because those magnets shift and fall and all that other stuff, but uh yeah, everybody has on their little thin ribbons and all this bullshit. Okay, get your god dang uniform straight. All right, rant over. I'm going to tag when I post this out. I'm going to tag Air Force Senior and COA on our shorts. Every single one of our shorts are getting tagged.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01I might upload it to their freaking page. I'll wait till you get out.
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SPEAKER_03Hey, don't mean nothing to me. I mean, fix fix your freaking school. All I'm saying, all right. That's a little hard. I would say is a here's another PSA. If you are not a if you're going to C O Academy or any PME, and you end up being the president, or even if you're not the president of the class, look out for your fellow your fellow class members, man. QC people, don't do it because of an award, don't do it because you want to look good. Do it because we don't want it like a bag of shit when we go take a picture. Right. Instead of you worrying about the class chat, uh uh survivors, right? Right, right, right, right. Right. Survivors, all of our uniforms are squared away. That's what I would say. SRRS fit. Yep. Uniforms are not coming apart. Name tags are straight, not crooked. Right. I'd rather hear that right than all this other bullish. That's another story for itself. Ty these little uh these little chests. I don't give two shits about that. Make sure your class is squared away.
SPEAKER_01Amen for that. You know what your chance should be? Eagle flight, check us out. Inspect us. That's what your chance should be. Not eagle flight. Like falcon flight. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh we know another animal. Bear flight, two clamps in a rick flare. Boo! Like man, shut up. Sparrow flight, pop it like it's hot. Yeah. Pop it, pop the cop, pop the top, and then people laugh at it because they're just looking for funny stuff.
SPEAKER_03Oh man. I remember we talked about this before, man. I remember at Kadena, we went to a Marine. Um I had my defenders with me in Kadena, and we had to see that chat that, like, give me three caps to the Ric Flair. Woo! Right. I mean, I did that. Oh, all the Marines just stared at me. And the sergeant major, who was a friend of mine there, he pulled me the side, say, DC, what the hell was that? Right. That's our chat. Don't do that again. Right. I said, for what? We don't do that here. I said, Well, y'all classes, our pride is our being here for our Marine and them graduate. You're gonna get clowned. We never did it again. Never did it again.
SPEAKER_01Hey, uh, oh no, Chief said, She said, Pete, don't talk about me in my retirement. I I ain't getting a new coat. It's for Basie. And as long as I can button those buttons. Oh, go ahead and show up crazy. I know you ain't going to, so I ain't worried about it. I ain't too worried about it. Go ahead and show up crazy if you want to. Go over and show up crazy. Because I'm gonna be in the front row. I better have my own name, my name tag on my seat. That's funny. Congratulations when your retirement is too, and everybody else is retiring.
SPEAKER_03Chief, when you're retiring, when's the when's the retirement date?
SPEAKER_01Are you go? Are you gonna show up to a retirement?
SPEAKER_03That's what I'm asking. I'm gonna see if I can go. Yeah, and I didn't get no invite, so I didn't go nowhere. I didn't invite.
SPEAKER_01I don't think I ain't got an invite yet either. So don't you heard you heard a shirt. I would hope you get one. Yeah, you're front. Yeah, you're freaking right. You get one. Blow that damn base up. Talking about fights on front.
SPEAKER_03Talk about fights off if I don't get an invite. Former first sergeant from the 355th Fourth Sports Squadron, Matt Sardin, retired down in Peter. Fights on, fights off fights on.
SPEAKER_01Don't give me no idea. Fights off. Hey, uh Zachary said, My biggest fear is making it on the Airman SEO series. CO page for the wrong reasons. I took my uniform a hundred times before. I'm up there looking crazy on the class photos and getting blasted all over the city. They will get you, they will get you. I and if you do, it's okay. If you do, it's okay. It's the person who didn't tell you, or at least learn from it.
SPEAKER_03Don't you know I mean if they call you out because your uniform look like is you're about to bust out Superman style without you wanting to, just get a new coat.
SPEAKER_01That's it. Lambton says I remember back in the day we had to go to the command chief before going to PME school. Yeah, they inspected our uniform too. I don't remember that.
SPEAKER_03I remember for yeah, I still do that. Well, I used to, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, she said official day one November ceremony in June or July still working out the date.
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, just let me know. I'll I'll make a point to be there. It'll be good to get back to Phoenix.
SPEAKER_01Let me know if you want to be the MC for it. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So you thought I was gonna say something smart. I thought you were, I was ready.
SPEAKER_01I was ready.
SPEAKER_03I had that cock that loaded. You did a good job of seeing, you know. Now I should say something smart.
SPEAKER_01I'm not you did a good job with mine. Showing up Wrinkly in TikTok era is diabolical for us. It's uh tell telltale, tall tale, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, man, good episode. Uh, especially we didn't really have nothing to talk about. Found something topic. Maybe we'll do reactions to uh the air force NCO senior NCO Facebook page. They post things all the time.
SPEAKER_03That would be righteous. That's what we need to do.
SPEAKER_01I gotta get this computer fixed. It might be time to get a new computer, trade this one in for the updated one. But I'll talk to you. I'm gonna talk to you when we get off of this about what to do. Anyway, unpopular celebrities, thanks for joining us. Look this out on the airman uh NCOA page, senior NCOA page, because I'm putting it up there. Somebody gonna take it down, but I'm gonna put it up there. Get your god dang uniforms right. Unpopular celebrities, what you got? Fights on peace, peace, peace, please.
