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Sunday Sports, Standards, Hockey Gold
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A lazy Sunday vibe turns into a sharp conversation about standards, pride, and who pays the price when professionals take shortcuts. We celebrate USA hockey’s surge on the Olympic stage, then press into the NBA’s tanking problem and why “rest” nights land hardest on the fans who saved up to see stars play. That same tension—expectation versus delivery—fuels a candid debate on military culture, leadership, and accountability.
We revisit the senior NCO graduation photos that set comment sections on fire and ask the hard questions: Where did inspections break down? How should responsibility climb from student to instructor to commandant? Are we teaching people to lead peers, or just to correct subordinates? From everyday etiquette—when to speak up about appearances, how to give humane feedback—to high-stakes symbolism—uniforms, promotions, ceremonies—we connect small choices to big culture.
Midway through, a Marine advancement course alum jumps in with a bracing contrast. In that environment, consequences arrive on time: show up late, go home; miss the physical standard, go home. The content wasn’t the heavy lift; the culture was. We explore how PME can matter again by tightening inspections, selecting and rewarding elite instructors, and delivering leadership education earlier so it shapes habits instead of summarizing them. We close by reframing identity—why “Airman” lands differently than “Marine” or “Soldier,” and why Space Force deserves more respect as the center of future conflict across space and cyber.
If you care about winning—on the ice, on the court, or in uniform—you’ll find something here to argue with and something to take back to your team. Listen, share with a friend who needs the nudge, and drop a review with the one standard you think we need to enforce tomorrow. Subscribe so you never miss the next conversation that actually moves the needle.
Sunday Vibes And Warm-Up Banter
SPEAKER_05What up, people? That's a little loud. What's going on Sunday morning? Easy like Sunday morning. I bet you don't know who sings that. Bet you don't know who sings that.
SPEAKER_02Actually, that's Little Richie. Thank you.
SPEAKER_05Oh, okay. I should ask you that question. That was the Commodore. How are you gonna just come?
SPEAKER_02Actually, it was Commodore, but Little Richie is the lead singer. Oh, I was right.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_02You had to even see you know what? Hey, y'all see how he does, right? I'ma just try to vibe, have a good time on a Sunday. He already wants to come at me.
SPEAKER_05See how it is easy, like Sunday. Already. Already. I need my voice mod, so my I can sound a lot better when I sing because I sound like crap. Yo, you ever realize why some people can sing and some people can't? It really gets on my freaking nerves.
SPEAKER_02Hello, is it me? Y'all looking. I love that song. Hello. You know the funny thing is never have somebody sing that to you in your face with bad breath. They'd be like, hello would not be good. Wait, what were you saying? You said people sing better than some other people.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like why can I not sing? It really gets on my nerves. Well, god given town, I guess.
SPEAKER_02I mean, technically, everyone sounds good in the shower. I believe I can sing because of what people think.
SPEAKER_05Nah, everybody don't sound good in the shower, not at all.
SPEAKER_02All matter of taste.
SPEAKER_05I'm trying to get the chat up right now, so I might have to close it out and reopen it because it's not showing on the page. I know why, but now I can't figure out how do I oh, it's way over the button.
SPEAKER_06Come on now. Is that it? No, that's not it. What is that? All right, go ahead and do that.
Show Intro And Community Shoutouts
SPEAKER_02We appreciate y'all being here, man. Peace, human beings. Your boy Philly DC, live and direct here on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday. Happy for y'all to be here along with Pete the engineer, Jessica Player out in the out there doing her business. Del Brown as well, up in Deutschland doing his business. We are your unpopular celebrities here for another show. If this is your first time joining us, thank you, thank you. Make sure you like, share, and subscribe here on all platforms. You can catch all of our old content on YouTube, um, all of our old shows that we've done, shorts, live, all that other stuff. And then feel free to make yourself home. Sit back, relax. We talk about anything and everything, man. So, no holes bar here. You know, I mean, there is a purpose behind everything we talk about. If you like that type of content, you're in the right place. Pull yourself up, grab yourself a drink. You know what I'm saying? Just enjoy yourself. In the meantime, all those, if you're here in the chat, comment, man. We appreciate y'all being here in the chat. Make sure y'all hit like before y'all start getting going because the likes help the algorithm, man. Stop playing. Make sure you like your boys, you know. I mean, so we can reach more people. I would tell you the last show we had was enjoyable. We loved all the comments. We got a lot of comments afterwards, so afterwards, after the show. So we appreciate y'all. But again, make sure y'all hit the like button down there. We got a pretty good show for y'all today. We're gonna vibe, we got a lot of stuff we're gonna talk about, bounce in between topics and stuff. And as always, y'all part of the show. If y'all got something y'all saw out there y'all want to talk about, feel free to put it in the chat. We'll talk about it, we'll present it and stuff. Daniel Hall the third, what's up? Good morning. Good morning. What's up, brother? Justin, what's up, man? Super Bowl champion Justin. I'll be able to say that for the next couple of months until September. Is it me or is anyone mourning the loss of NFL football?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it does kind of suck.
SPEAKER_02Every Sunday, my wife asks me, What you doing this Sunday? And she knows it's football. But for the past two weeks, I always had this look on my face. She said, Football's over, huh?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's like, what do I do? You know what I mean? It's like I have nothing to look forward to. Although I haven't been able to execute it yet. I decided since I got NFL replay to watch every single week of football by week until the next season. Although it's painful because the Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl. But I figured that I'll help you get through.
SPEAKER_05Let me say what's up, Chief Hall, man. Congratulations on your retirement. How's it feel, bro? I told you my phone lines is always open if you need something. If you just want to talk bit, because it is a process going through the retirement. If you need help, go through our show. We did a whole five episodes on retirement, how it feels, things you go through, blah blah blah blah blah blah. So uh if you need some help, man, hit me up. I understand what it's like. Trust me, I do. Trust me.
SPEAKER_02Congrats, T-Pall. Congrats, bro. Congrats.
SPEAKER_05Uh, team USA wins goal in men's and women's high. Did you know? Uh yeah, March Madness! What's up, Dale? March Madness. But uh, US men's and women, men just won this morning, I think, for the hockey, and the women won a couple nights ago, two nights ago, something like that. But uh, yeah, I guess that was a most watched game, hockey game, most watched women's sport game in the Olympics, something like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's huge because this is the first time the U.S. hockey team beat Canada in 43 years.
SPEAKER_05The men or the women?
SPEAKER_02The men. Oh, okay. 43 years, uh 46 years. First time they won an Olympic gold in men's ice hockey, yeah. And Canada, I mean, I've seen the fight, I've seen the the game, man. There was a couple of fights in there, it was pretty good, man. Why is it that the fights in the hockey are better than boxing? I don't know why. It's just better.
SPEAKER_05I mean, because they let them fight.
SPEAKER_02It's just like they didn't they just throw the gloves down and rep like, all right, go ahead and your business.
SPEAKER_05I mean, but all they do is just hey, hey, hey, it's still exciting though. I will say they're pretty good athletes, so uh, but yeah, super bowl champion Seattle Seahawks, so we ain't gotta talk about them for the rest of the year. Uh, hasn't been a repeat Super Bowl champ for a long, long time. I don't I don't remember the last repeat. The Cowboys, maybe the Niners?
SPEAKER_02No, I was the Patriots.
SPEAKER_05The Patriots repeated? Oh, yeah, they didn't do a three-peat. The Chiefs did too. The Chiefs did too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, they did a repeat. They just didn't do a three-peat.
Life After Football And Rewatch Plans
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Men's game was this morning and the goals since 1980. Justin, it was great. It was a great game, Tony. I hope you ain't talking about the Super Bowl. I think that was probably one of the worst Super Bowls ever. They were just clowning the Patriots how they shouldn't be involved and shouldn't be at the game, should never have been in the game. The road to get there was minuscule at best. Kind of just made their way through.
SPEAKER_02But that's actually a good topic. We never got a chance to do a little thing on the Super Bowl, huh?
SPEAKER_05Not really.
SPEAKER_02It wasn't really much to talk about, but that's probably why. I mean, was anybody else surprised that the Patriots did so poorly?
SPEAKER_05Uh no.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow. So you thought the Broncos would have done better?
SPEAKER_05The Broncos? No. No. No. I don't think anybody was beating Seattle, to be honest. Really? No.
SPEAKER_02So you don't think there was no AFC team good enough to beat Seattle? No. Did you so real talk? Did you think that even before the Super Bowl?
SPEAKER_05During the game started being played in the in the uh AFC, I started realizing it's not gonna be good.
SPEAKER_02I just felt there is I was surprised at how much how dominant the Seahawks were. I didn't think they were that good. Wow. I don't know if it's just because they were that good or was just uh Patriots.
SPEAKER_05Oh, football was last season. Why are we talking about it? I was referring to the hockey game. Oh, yeah, great point. Great point, Tony. It was I didn't watch the uh the men's game. How about harden to my calves? Everybody's making a big deal. First of all, we could talk about basketball, we could talk about tanking. That's what we need to talk about in basketball is freaking tanking. Have you heard about the tanking stuff that's going on? And the tanking rule that they have a tanking rule.
SPEAKER_02What's that?
SPEAKER_05Anti. I'm sorry, it's anti-tanking rule. How does that work? Uh let me get the specifics, but Adam Silver, the commissioner, basically put out a thing that said told people like we're doing an anti-tanking rule for the NBA next season. And it's a whole list of stuff. Stephen A. Smith went ham on him. Uh, so here are the changes: restrictions to the top four picks, freezing lottery odds at trade deadlines, limiting uh consistent top four picks, so you can't get top four picked twice in two years, uh, and potentially using two-year records for lottery odds so they can stop people from basically throwing the season.
SPEAKER_02All right, I'm gonna ask an obvious question, but how do you determine if a team is really tanking or if they suck?
SPEAKER_05Good point. So, like the Utah Jazz is probably one of the biggest uh proponents of tanking lately, and uh in the fourth quarter, they basically sat their whole starters, all the starters.
SPEAKER_02Were they getting blown out?
Olympics Highs: USA Hockey And History
SPEAKER_05No, it was a good game, it's a tie game. But they basically sat everybody, and also the Lakers did the same thing, they sat every starter except for one before the game started, talking about they all needed rest. They all said that, they all needed rest, huh?
SPEAKER_02So you gotta think we pay you for, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Who hurts the most at this? The people. This is why I will never pay. I'll excuse me. I never want to pay to go see an NBA game because of crap like this. Yeah, you know how mad at man. Me and Dell went to uh a game to go watch uh KD when he played for Phoenix. It was his first game he was supposed to play to Phoenix, and he popped his left ankle in warm-ups. So he never got seen. Picture a UFC fight, and you're supposed to see these two fighters, and 10 minutes before the fight, they're like, oh, he injured himself in warm-ups, he ain't gonna be able to fight. Bro, I'll be pissed, and they don't give your money back for it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that is true. That that's foul. That's foul.
SPEAKER_05I knew there were uh issues before about resting players for games, especially towards the end of the season. It's a huge issue. It's a it's a and like I said, the people who hurt the most is the fans that pay to see the games, yeah. Because nobody else is affected by that. Uh, men and women gays both went to overtime, talking about the hockey where they played three on three, which opens up the ice and game action. Go USA. We also had several airmen who were Olympic athletes as well. I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about that. Uh what did you what did you what do you think about that?
SPEAKER_02Airmen as being Olympic athletes. To what end? You mean as far as should they be able to do it? Uh that's a tough one. Because that's all isn't that isn't that the same as saying people in the academy get to play collegiate football? No, I guess it's not the same because you attend the university or you attend the academy and you get to play. Right. Whereas the Olympics, they you take time away from the job to play. Um, I I'm I'm uh I'm kind of half and half on that. I think as long as it doesn't impact your job, you are qualified and certified, and it's not your primary mission. In other words, you don't get to dictate when you go. If the mission can allow you to go, then you go. And I assume that's what happens.
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna look up what airmen uh participate in the Olympics. I'd be I'll be shocked to see what their jobs are. Because if they are academy guys, then it's okay.
SPEAKER_02But no, I think a couple of them are enlisted. Yeah, I think maybe a couple of them are enlisted. What do you guys think in the chat? Do y'all think any issues with airmen participating in Olympics? And if and if not, or if if you are for it or against it, tell me why in the chat. Curious. Tony Renee says Black History Month, first black woman to win hockey gold. And she's from Cleveland. The Kelsey's paid for her family to attend. Man, that's pretty cool. Hey, what was the goal then, Tony? What did she win in? Was it the uh skating event? I think it was the skating event. If I'm not mistaken. Well, I tell you, I already said it last show. My favorite event is the skeleton event. I love that event. That one in Bob Skeleton.
SPEAKER_05Uh we had a staff sergeant in the skeleton. Yeah. Kelly Curtis.
SPEAKER_02I think she's from I think she was stationed in Italy too.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So let me see. This girl won the bronze. I'm trying to see if it says her job. Says she's a senior airman in the Air Force. Let's see what uh Justin says. One of the females on the bobsledding team that won the goal working at AFPC. Okay, that's the one I'm looking at right now. That's pretty cool. Keep reading. No, don't tell me anything about her. Oh, yeah, she's hockey. The girl from Cleveland, the black athlete, was hockey.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so she won playing hockey. Yeah, that is interesting. That is interesting.
SPEAKER_05You know what's funny? I always say like the winter Olympics is not really uh well offseen, well off known at all. Can you read that comment?
SPEAKER_02Oh Tony says a 3F enlisted last year, and she's a synchronized swimmer. I don't know if y'all remember, she almost died a few years ago. I don't remember that. And she was an admin troop, huh? That's pretty cool. I tell you the Olympics were really good this year. I'm surprised. Really? Usually I thought I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I mean, I could do without I'm not a fan of the ice skating, but I like the curling. Of course, I love skeleton, I love the lounge. I even think the uh downhill slot slalom was good. Of course, the bobsledding was a lot of suspense.
SPEAKER_05I think the skating just they just throw it down your throat too much. There's too much skating, there's too many competitions of skating. Yeah, uh, I'm not seeing it, doesn't say what their jobs are, but uh it does have a picture of them. Let me see if I can uh put this up here. Here we go. Give you access real quick. Alright, so those are our two Olympic athletes, Kelly Curtis and Jasmine Jones. Pretty easy names to read. Uh balanced motherhood, competition, and service.
SPEAKER_02What's your take on that?
NBA Rest, Tanking, And Fan Frustrations
SPEAKER_05I'm good with it. Like you said, as long as it doesn't interfere with what they got going on at work. Now it'd be hard to say because um, you know, uh to me on a way different level, because it's like if we want to play base basketball and go out to a tournament, they always be like, Well, what is your mission? The mission comes first. I wonder if you would ever tell somebody once every four years, like how do they train? Do they train on their own? Man, that girl's 37. Married mom of two-year-old Melvin trained at Aviano Airbase while racing skeleton. And she grew at 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing Curtis became the team's first black skeleton athlete. Uh, this is not black. She looks pretty weird. I mean, look at the picture. To me, that doesn't look black to me. Maybe she has black in her. Oh, maybe she's mixed.
SPEAKER_02I thoroughly enjoyed it. Only Renee put up a link up there.
SPEAKER_06Let me see if I can grab that.
SPEAKER_05Oh, I can't grab the link. Oh, yeah, I can. The link didn't come through.
SPEAKER_02I am proud of the fact that the US, even though we don't have the most battles, we always in the top three.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Although there's a little asterisk. We used to always compete against the Russians all the time.
SPEAKER_05Way back in the day. Alright, uh, let me see what uh Dell said. Someone said that indoor track and field should adopt into winter Olympics. I think that would bring more views and involved. Why wow? Indoor track and field. I didn't hear that. Like racing, like summer Olympics? Track and field stuff. Tony's uh put up the link. I can't get to it, uh Tony. I can't find it. Uh what's up guys? How y'all doing? How y'all be? We be good. Uh y'all been watching the Olympics? Yeah, we've been watching it from time. I stopped watching. I was watching a lot of it and now I kind of stopped. Just kind of stopped watching it altogether. I think it's just too much. It's just too much. The summer Olympics, I'll be tapped in.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I just pulled up the link. I see what she's saying. Yeah, she almost drowned.
SPEAKER_04I remember that now. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02He was an artistic swimmer for the team USA. Anita Alvarez. And Budapest. Interesting. Oh, Kelly Curtis is black. Oh, yeah, Justin. Yeah, that curling was interesting, especially with the Canadians. I guess they got disqualified at one point, right? I think they was doing something. I always thought curling was pretty cool. Cool sport.
SPEAKER_05Man, I'll tell you, that's how you know you're getting old when you like curling. That's how you know you're getting old.
SPEAKER_02Hey, it's better than watching the NBA, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_05Now that's true. That's true. Yeah, hey, curling did have some trash, though. Did you see that? The trash talk with the curls.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was the two uh it was the Canadians and somebody going at each other. Yeah, they said the ref said they they called him for something and they didn't agree with it.
SPEAKER_05They he called, I forgot what he called him pretty much. Like a dumbass or something, or I can't remember. Uh, they were giving the stone an extra push, pause Pete. I can't stand you. Are you even black? You don't look great. Hey, I make that point all the time. Hey, I'm just saying. Yeah, Kenneth is just saying.
SPEAKER_02He's melanin challenged.
SPEAKER_05I'm just saying. I'm just saying. People say the same thing about me. You know what? I get the same thing. Like, black people be like, you're not black, and all white people think I am black. It's very weird. It's very odd. Turn on my light because oh no, my light ain't working. Hey, oh well. It's very weird. I get that dynamic. Like, all white people be like, nah, you black. All black people be like, man, you ain't black.
SPEAKER_02How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_05I don't give a shit. I don't have the button. I don't give a duck. Like, I mean, yeah, it doesn't move me at all. Doesn't affect me at all. It's actually kind of funny more than more than anything. Like, I mean, I have no control over it. Zero control.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you don't, but it don't it don't mess with your mind as far as your identity where you feel like you don't know. Like, for instance, how did you feel that's black history month? Do you feel like you don't care? Partake. You don't care.
SPEAKER_05No, I don't, I don't know. Like, cool is Black History Month. It comes around once a year. Like, it's no different than Christmas. Don't care.
SPEAKER_02Don't care. Curtis looks blacker than you. You got that winter skin, Anita. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Now that I see her picture, let me put her picture up so you can see. She does actually look black. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_02Okay, while we got ladies in the chat, I am curious about some since we're kind of on that topic. My wife and I got a conversation this morning about how she she believes that women are more scrutinized than men when it comes to what they wear. Like, for instance, if a man shows up to work and they wear the same pair of shoes, nobody will say nothing. Nope. But a woman, if she shows up with the same pair of shoes, they're gonna criticize her if she don't have makeup on or powder on or something.
SPEAKER_05Okay, here's what I'll say, and I'm gonna get in a lot of trouble for saying this.
SPEAKER_02Let me buckle up.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I don't know. It is true, women will get more scrutinized at work than men, especially civilian clothes. Leap years, yeah. They say I can only celebrate half the month. That's fine, that's fine. Uh, but yes, women will get more scrutinized. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. It's your own fault. Because men don't care. We don't care. If me and you worked together and you showed up in the same shoes every day, I wouldn't care.
SPEAKER_02We're not gonna call you out like, bruh, how come you keep wearing the same shoes? We don't care.
SPEAKER_05Is that if now if you wore the same shirt twice, I might laugh at him be like, bruh, ain't that the shirt you wore yesterday? But I still wouldn't care. Women care about that stuff, and they think it's all psychological. Nobody really cares, except for y'all.
Airmen As Olympians: Mission And Sport
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't, yeah, I about to say they their own uh gender cares. Females are usually bad against females. Like 2C says she she wore a dress and cowboy boots Friday and they lost their minds. When you say lost their minds, was it your your fellow females or was it just everybody in general? Because like men, we most men we just look at the physical. We don't care about if you we ain't gonna criticize you you ain't got makeup on or your weave ain't right or whatever. We just gonna just we still gonna look at you, you know what I mean? But for women, it's like they be dissecting each other. What type of bag she's wearing, what type of if her if if her bangs are if her bangs are jacked up, you know what I mean? If she's got um buck shots or something like that, or she's wearing um fake shoes or whatever. It's like y'all be dissecting. 2C says it was the guys that had something to say. Something to say, I would assume, in a positive way, I assume. No, and then which brings me to my other thing we were talking about.
SPEAKER_05Pete, when you at an office, will you ever compliment another woman on how nice she never, never, ever, ever, never, no, ever. Chief! What's good, Chief? Men don't care, and men don't care that men don't care. Women don't want to care, but if we don't care, men would care and all hell break. What the hell?
SPEAKER_02What kind of nursery rhyme rental? Good job with that one. That was a tongue twister. Say that fast though.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, men don't care, and men don't care that men don't care. Women don't want to care, but if we don't care, men would uh okay. You're saying if y'all just come looking like y'all just rolled out of bed, I wouldn't care. Just come to work and do your job. I don't care what you wear. I mean, to a certain extent. Uh what's this outfit? Oh, boots, stuff like that. Okay, Nicole, that's not a bad compliment, or that don't mean they care. It just might be something different. Now, I will say that, and you can answer this too. If somebody usually comes to work in like jeans and a polo, and the next day they come to work in a three-piece suit, I'm like, bro, what the hell? Where'd this come from? What's wrong with that? Nothing's wrong, but if you throw off the normal, I will say something, or just like a haircut. So, like, that's one thing I'll say. If your hair is usually bald and you come with a toupee on, like, what happened? Your hair.
SPEAKER_02So, that's the other that's part of the other com part of the conversation, too. Is would you because you said you would never compliment a woman on how she looks at work. You would never do it.
SPEAKER_05I would never be like, that looks nice on you, your hair looks nice. I would just be like, Oh, you changed your hair. That's bad too. Oh, that's that's the extent of it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's because the argument I made was is like, you think you're helping someone or you're giving somebody a compliment, it could make it worse. Like, example, let's say you you walk into work, but before you came to work, you had a rough day, you almost got an accident or something, you know, you forgot to put deodorant on. Maybe your shirt's got a stain on it or something. But every other time I seen you at work, you was always sharp, you know, sharp, crisp, all that stuff. You walking off, and I say, Dang, Pete, every other day you look good. You like shit today, you would probably take offense to it.
SPEAKER_05Would you you know Pete don't you know me, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I forgot what who am I talking about?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you know me better than that. I'm sorry, y'all. You know me way better than that.
SPEAKER_02I would my my argument is if you go to a woman and you and you say, Hey Melissa, you know, usually your hair is looking nice, but today it'll like you having you know it's the shuffled or something. What happened? That you don't know what happened to that person before they walk into the building. Maybe they couldn't get their hair right, maybe they had a bad exchange at home, whatever. So that's why I think you should never compliment somebody at work.
SPEAKER_05Men or women, both. So, what about people look tired? I heard that's uh like a big red flag.
SPEAKER_02Great point. So I think the way I would approach it is is be like, like, for instance, let's say you walked in, usually you're energetic, whatever, you're your suit always pristine, and you come in, you're in a polo, look like your bands are too baggy, you know. I mean, you got dirty shoes on. I'd be like, Pete, I would say, hey Pete, how's everything going? I would I would say, how's everything going? You know, you had a good weekend. You'd be like, Yeah, I want to talk about all right. Well, yeah, it was a worth, I would say it's a rough week for me. You know, things are tough, man. It could be tough out here, man. Shoot. I would leave it at that. But when you tell somebody that the way they used to look before, like a week ago, where they usually look good and today they don't look so good, I think it could make things worse. What about because I know to your point, that's a that's a sign of somebody maybe I mean, not necessarily suicidal, but they're going through some stuff.
SPEAKER_05What about just a simple comment? It's like, damn, are you tired? You look tired today.
SPEAKER_02That's a tough one, too. Because, like, yeah, they'd be like, Yeah, you know, they they could be like, Yeah, I am tired. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm tired, I'm tired of your too, you know what I'm saying? So you'd be like, Hey, I would say simply, I would just say, How are you doing? And they say, I'm good. Okay, well, you know, I hope you have a good day, and I would leave it at that. Now, if you say, now if the person responds to say, um, I ain't doing so good, or you know, I hate this place, then I would probably probe a little bit more.
Curling, Skeleton, And Getting Older
SPEAKER_05So I was always told, like, if I tell somebody like, damn, are you tired? Like, you look tired, they always think like, oh, I look like shit. Like, no, you look like you're tired. You look like you're a human being that didn't sleep last night. Like, I it almost I almost get offended when somebody says something like that. Like, why? Cause I ain't looking at you like that. I ain't checking you out and being like, because I would never tell you, like, damn, you look good today. So if I'm saying you're tired, I'm not saying you're ugly. I'm saying you look tired.
SPEAKER_02Is it a sad state of affairs that we've got to a point where you can't compliment someone on how they look and work?
SPEAKER_05No, I don't think it's a sad state. I think that we did it to ourselves.
SPEAKER_02I think it's possible. I think you have to, it's a it's it's very touchy because, like, for instance, um if I know you, like case in point, let's say you and uh two C's were working together, right? You know two C's very well, right? And she wore something you never seen her wear before. You thought I looked, you know, nice. Would you compliment her?
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_02Even if you knew her.
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_02Interesting.
SPEAKER_05Nope.
SPEAKER_02Interesting. Why not?
SPEAKER_05Because I don't want to even touch that realm of possibility that oh, Pete said this about me. Even if you know them very well, I would have to have a good long-standing working relationship with you.
SPEAKER_02So even if it's like case in point, like nah, he said he's lying. So I I know two C's very well. I would, I would think she would know. I don't mean anything disrespectful. I know her husband, I know K-Rod very well. If I said, I say, dang, two C's, you look nice today. No, I would probably do it. I would say the joke, like, what you got on? Who you trying to impress? Well, no, I take it back because she knows you, she knows your plan, right? But that could be taken the wrong way, like you're just taken aback by what she's wearing.
SPEAKER_05That's what I'm saying. I would have to have a good relationship with you, and that's how I would say I would never say that looks nice on you, you look good, no, nothing like that. No, I'm dead ass. I would have to have a good working relationship with you and be like, what you got on?
SPEAKER_02If your chief had, if if if your chief for some reason, maybe she had a cold, she was blowing her nose, and she had a no, better yet, she was eating a tuna fish sandwich. And while she was talking, she had a big old piece of tuna fish right here. Would you tell her?
SPEAKER_05No, I just let her sit there. I'll just joke. I'll be like, nigga, we got a meeting to go to.
SPEAKER_02Let's go to this meeting. Would you tell? So, this is what I do when I see that. I always do like this.
SPEAKER_05Like, I'll be like, No, I'll be like, You got something in your teeth. You got something in your teeth. I want somebody tell me because I know I've been there before.
SPEAKER_02I just it's like, for instance, let's say I'm mid conversation with you, right? I'm vibing with you, especially something serious, and you're staring at me, and I'm thinking, we're making eye contact because you're really listening, but you're really looking at the broccoli in my teeth. And you stop me and say, and I say, So what so how do we fix this? Hey, DC, you know you got broccoli in your teeth.
SPEAKER_05That ruins the whole conversation. Uh, that's a good point. That's a tough one to navigate because you do want to tell you, but maybe not right then and there would be the time to tell you. Like, I'll probably address it and then tell you. Uh put through every other TV to let me know. Look, see, see, but we have that relationship, we have that relationship where I could tell her, bro. We go back like two fans in a clack, so you better tell me, or I'm cursing. Exactly, exactly. But I think if we're in the middle of a serious conversation, that I might hold off on that. I might just be like, all right. And after we're done, like, bro, you guys don't need teeth, bro.
SPEAKER_02Would you is it wrong for two married people if you've been married? Would you would you tell would you would you tell your significant other that their breath smink smell?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02You would fuck yeah. I don't think I could do that. I would just like try to say, hey, you want something to drink, or would you like a piece of candy or something? I wouldn't do that.
SPEAKER_05Y'all been married for too long not to be able to say something like that.
SPEAKER_02I'm just very conscious about how people feel because I think I think about what you I'm a I'm a Sagittarius and I'm an empath. You know, an empath is a person that that that grabs people's feelings and they absorb them and affects them.
SPEAKER_05Well, you don't grab my feelings and absorb. Actually, I do.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I just hide them from you because I just hide them because you could you hold you don't give two ducks.
SPEAKER_05Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02But no, I'm y'all, ladies and gentlemen, just want to let you know, pray for your boy. If you know Scorpios, I have three in my circle: my wife, my oldest son, and Pete. Pray for me.
SPEAKER_05Yo, I've like if me and Chief are in the meeting and she's whispering something to me in her breast, they'd be like, damn, your breaststick. Uh what'd you say?
SPEAKER_02You told you your breath stick, what the or you would think I'm not oh better yet. She said she would you think she would tell you?
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, she would tell me. Oh god, she would probably stop the meeting and let everybody know, like shirt breathstick. She let everybody know.
SPEAKER_02That's pretty cool. It looks sound like y'all had a real good relationship. That's cool.
Identity, Race, And Lighthearted Jabs
SPEAKER_05It's like a love hate type thing. Like a love hate, but nah nah nah nah. That's that's my cheek. Nah, heck god, nah. Uh look, 2C says, I tell Kev, yo, I need you to hit the two brush and two face ASAP Rocky. Kev, our son, is a Scorpio. Oh, perfect. Another Scorpio.
SPEAKER_02God bless you. God bless you. Kev is a you know what? How did I miss that? Knowing what I know about K Rob and how he was, I see it. He is right. How did I miss that? Interesting.
SPEAKER_05Yo, Chief Lie. She lied. Let's just be honest on here. Let's just be honest. You lie. She said I would never lie. She let me tell you, let me tell you how embarrassing this was. We in a staff meet one time, and the day before we had this show that came to the the club, and it was like a game show. It's actually really cool, and they gave away some really good prizes. Well, one of the things was you had to go up in front of the big screen, and everybody's behind you. You're looking at the screen in front of you. It's a big screen, and they put a question up there, and they have four answers, and you have four buttons, and you press the right button, you know, it'd be like, What's two plus two? And the answers be like two, four, six, eight, whatever. And you hit four, you move on to the next question, and how fast you answer, you get more points, right? That makes sense, yeah. So they're going, and the the host was like, yo, it's okay to sabotage people and give them the wrong answer, right? So it'd be like, what's two plus two? And it'd be like two, four, six, eight, and it'd be like A B C D. And I'd be like, D, D, hit, D, hit D. So I was giving people left and right. And the funny part was, in all honesty, I wasn't even trying, I didn't even know the answer. I was just saying random crap. I mean, I have a 75% of being wrong. So I have a good odds that if I just say a letter, it's the wrong letter. Because I only had 25% to be right. So I so people were listening to me because I'm loud and just hitting the button. Oh, it's working brilliantly, brilliantly. So I'm the last one to go. The very first question was like, who is married to the Prince of Prince Henry? Who is he married to? I put Marilyn Monroe. Bro, I cannot think that quick. As soon as I, you know, I can't read Marilyn Monroe. I can't read well, so I'm trying to speed read this crap, and it's not working. It's not working. Look, you talking ish about every single person that got up there and got the surprise. Yeah. So in staff meeting, then we have staff meeting the next day. And in staff meeting, I get called out for the whole staff room to hear how the shirt got the first question wrong. How embarrassing it was that Marilyn Monroe is married to dang Queen of England, King of England, or whatever, the Prince of England. Embarrassing. You think Chief went up there and defended my honor? Nope. Laughed right along with everybody else. Laughed right along.
SPEAKER_02That's funny.
SPEAKER_05Yes, and then she won the game. What?
SPEAKER_02That's right.
SPEAKER_05That's what Chiefs do. Oh, she did good. I was very impressed. I was very impressed, especially after I got up there and fumbled the bag. Very impressed. Anyway, that's that.
SPEAKER_02So let's shift gears, man. Let's let's quickly touch on the topic last week when we talked about the CNCO Academy graduation pictures. Since that show, we've got a flood of comments. 99% positive. Maybe I wouldn't say none of them were negative, maybe one, maybe two. But I would like to quickly touch on that one if you don't mind. Nah. Just give give us the science behind why you even brought that up.
Workplace Compliments And Boundaries
SPEAKER_05Okay, look, uh, and I think I talked about this on the show, but we were I was sitting there and I knew three people in that class. Well, I knew a lot more once I actually looked at it, but three people I knew for sure. And for some reason it came across my Facebook feed. I didn't know I followed the page, so it came across my Facebook feed, and I was trying to find them in the pictures. So as I'm trying to find them, of course, I'm scrolling through, I'm like, dang, their uniforms look like trash. But I'm just going through it. And so as I start progressing through the pictures, I realize everybody's uniform look like trash. And so, you know, us having a platform, you know, you get somebody platform, they'll talk about anything at all. I was like, let me bring this across to people's attention because this is not a flaw on the culture of the Air Force, it's not an Air Force problem, it's an accountability problem. Somebody fumbled the bag. I do not blame the people whose uniform looks like trash. I blame the people who didn't tell them their uniform looks like trash. Whether that's a command, whether that's instructor, stop, pause there because it is their responsibility. You don't just Get to be the freaking Commandant, sit on your throne in an office and punish people when they fail to do things or hand out your Commandant award once a class. You have another job. The instructors, you have to teach the class, and you also have a responsibility to hold standards. Obviously, there's a huge problem in senior and COAA with uniform standards and holding people accountable. Then it's the classmates. We talked about this often. They want to start that and it never got off the ground. But this is why we can't be successful leaders in the Air Force. Some people can't because they're afraid to hold people accountable. Now, if it's airmen, if you're a senior mass art and got to hold an airmen accountable, easy. That's easy. But holding your peers accountable, that takes skill. And obviously, that lesson is not being taught in senior and COA. So that's the premise of it.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. Um, I'll say I don't think I think as collectively there's an issue when it comes to accountability in this instance. I don't particularly blame the commandant. I think the commandant, that's why you have people in your circle in your staff that execute. It's no different than having a commander. You got a commander of a squadron, you got a bunch of people in a hierarchy between chiefs, shirts, NCOs, lieutenants, captains, whatever. Now, when something goes wrong and a product comes out, naturally everyone will look at the leader, in this case, the command. So I don't think the commandant in no way, shape, form, or fashion, try to say that they were perfect. I'm sure he wouldn't say that. In fact, you know, I know him pretty well. I think he's pretty squared away. But in the heat of the time when people are about to take pictures and people are ready to graduate, some things get overlooked. Not that bad. If you're saying not that bad, that's almost to imply there was no other graduation pictures that looked that bad. We also have bad people found this one. Yeah. So it has it is a it is a common occurrence that this has happened. It just so happened this time because you were looking for a friend of yours. You came upon this picture and you decided to comment on it. So it wasn't like you were out there looking for a clickbait. Correct, correct. You were you found something that resonated with you. Obviously, your credentials, your prior first sergeant. So yeah, and you're a senior NCO. So you saw that you was, you know, it resonated with you. And so obviously, looking at the video or the video we did, the take you did on it, it resonated with a lot of people because we had like a slew of comments on it, and the people that viewed it was enormous. It was a huge amount of people that looked at it, which tells me, which I responded to one individual, is that somebody said one time they said in the comments, what's the who cares? Well, apparently a lot of people do, because a lot of people watched it and a lot of people commented on it. That's just the messages direct or the messages on the video. That's not including the DMs we got, too. So I think the big takeaway from this is sometimes you gotta put your your your pride aside and just say, Look, hey, if you're in that, if you're in that video, sometimes it's best to put your pride aside, just say, look, you know, I got caught out of pocket. Hey, looking at it now, I do look bad, and go from there. Good example is when I remember one time I went first time I went up for a comment for a command chief job, and uh I didn't get picked up. And so during that time when they were doing command chief jobs, you had to send like a full-length picture of yourself, and so I did. And so I never had anybody QC it, I just went and had somebody take the picture and all that. So, shout out for uh Chief Master retired Tony Johnson, who was the PACF command chief at the time. I asked him, I said, you know, for advice, because he was on part of the board, and I said, Hey, is there any reason why I didn't get picked? And so he looked, he said, Hey DC, your records are good, you got a lot of experience, you'd be a great command chief. But let me tell you the real reason why you didn't get picked up because you look fat. And I and I was in shock. I said, What do you mean? He said, Open up your pictures. So I opened up the pictures and he started dressing me down, and then when I looked at it, it's almost like that tunnel vision, everything just come to you, and you like, oh shit, and he was right, and it was embarrassing, especially knowing not just him, there were other chiefs out there that saw these pictures that had the same thought process he did. It was embarrassing, but I got it squared away the next year and made it. So sometimes you gotta put your personal pride side.
SPEAKER_05I just want to disagree with one thing you uh brought up in the beginning. You said it's not on the command or not on the commandant uh to QC that stuff, or it's not it's not I don't I don't want to mix up your words, but it's not really his responsibility. Am I kind of right with that?
SPEAKER_02No, it's not that it's not his responsibility, ultimately, he is the one responsible. However, the the blocking and tackling of checking the students running the graduation. I know for sure if you had a commandant was involved in every single phase from beginning from start to finish, that's micromanaging. As a commandant, you've got what probably one or two seniors, especially at the CNCO Academy. You got one or two seniors, maybe a couple of mass sergeant instructors, a lot of mass sergeant instructors. You mean to tell me out of all them not to include a class president, not to include the actual student themselves, didn't take the time to QC their stuff. So I'm not saying the comdon is not at fault, ultimately, is his formation. So yeah, they're gonna look at him first, but he is not the sole responsible person, just like I told someone earlier, it's in levels. Ultimately, the student is responsible, they're the one number one at fault. Then it goes up after that because somebody should have caught it.
SPEAKER_05I want to read these comments and I'll go back to that because I got a different opinion, and maybe I'm skewed with this opinion, but Royster says that peer-to-peer feedback that was acknowledged, acknowledged? I guess they talked about it. What's up, Chris? CJ. What's up, bro? Blessing. What's up, CJ? All right, so um I agree and disagree. And here's where I go. If you're in charge of a flight, a flight chief, anything that happens on the flight, the pace of the flight, the motivation on the flight, the morale on the flight, how they do business is a reflection of you. You could be squared away, but if your flight's not squared away, it's a reflection of you. This the way I look at it from a way outside five, what do we say, 50,000 foot view? Because I'm not in deep in what's goes on. Yes, a the students have um accountability. Yes, stop there. They are the first, especially a senior math art. Like they like ALS, that's more or less an instructor than the students, but still the students. But as a senior NCO, come on, dog. Like, we shouldn't have to talk about this. Uh, two, then it's the instructors. Do I want my class to look like this? And then I'm like, if you do, what are you or if you don't know, didn't care? What are you focusing on? What is possibly so because nothing's testable that I know of. I've never been to it, so you've been to it. You can let me know. I don't think there's anything testable. You never been to CNCOA? No. But I don't think there's any passer test. And like maybe it's like ALS where you have one test. But I can't. I mean, I I wish the commandant was on here so we could talk to him, but I don't think anything is testable. So it's like, what are you teaching? Don't waste my money, don't waste my time by having me go to a circus that I have to sit through. If I am, I I I think of any PME as a way to reboot yourself. So if I'm a little off, somebody needs to bring me back to center. So my uniform looks like trash. Hey, somebody should tell me it looks like trash. And if the students ain't gonna say it because they're worried about winning winning commandant award and levito and all this other BS, then the instructor should be there telling me.
Empathy, Honesty, And Office Etiquette
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I let me reiterate. I'm not saying that the commandant is not responsible, but he is not the sole person at fault at this. In the end, well, first off, the PME, professional military education, is not a way to re-blue you. If it if you're going there to get re-blueed, then that's already a problem. It's there to prepare you for the next rank that you're about to go walk into, right? And I think pretty much, I think this all comes down to a loss of focus. People, five, six weeks, I forgot how long it is, they get to a point where as they're doing all this stuff, they're away from their families. And again, I'm not condoning what happened, I'm just saying, I'm sure they didn't wake up and say, I'm gonna look like a bag of shit this morning. No, but they didn't care that they wouldn't say they didn't care, I just think they weren't focused on what was going on. The only thing I will say that I will agree with you on, the only thing that messes up this rationale is that if they had an inspection before they got into the school, all this stuff would have been identified because it's one thing to go up on stage and your uniform is wrinkled, right? It's one thing to go up there and you're missing ribbons, right? But when it doesn't fit, that's when something went wrong in the inspection. And as the commandant, I'm sure when the when the pictures were executed, when they were going across stage, maybe these things were noticed even before the pictures. I think the issue is is when it's noticed, the action get you know, someone takes action immediately and say, Hey, you can't walk today, yeah, or you need to go and get your uniform squared away, you're not walking. That's what needs to happen. Because, like I was saying earlier, if this was a one-time thing, then I would agree with you. But this has happened over between the CNCO Academy, chief leadership course. Every course has had one or two. It's just this one was so bad because it was several flights in the pictures.
SPEAKER_05Thank God Tony Bostick is on here. Yes, yes. Hmm, who's doing the inspection? Half the time, they got big shoes and big red noses, too. A hundred percent. And I want to go back to what you said, and now I want to address something. Go back to what you said. PME is supposed to prepare you for the next rank you went through. I believe you went through four PMEs.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, yeah, four professional military educations, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Has any of them prepared you for that rank that you went into? Yes. What how how did ALS prepare you to be an NCO?
SPEAKER_02Well, ALS was different back then. We did mock direct feedbacks, we learned about combined direct, non-direct feedbacks, we learned about how to notice when someone how to counsel someone if they're having bad performance. NCOA taught us more about um the technical expect aspect as far as like leading a bunch of people, and then senior NCOA taught us about management. We had to do essays, we had to do project reports, we had to brief things in front of the flights and stuff like that. Do you think that prepared you? Yeah, it did. Okay, you have to do that. Okay, the the other thing I think the chief leadership course was worthless personally at the time.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I thought that was worth it. Uh, I'd say most instructors through the three PMEs I've been through, and I'll count shirt school as a PME, I guess, uh, and canine school, but whatever. Most most instructors are just worried about being cool and not getting blasted on surveys more than doing their job, holding people, doing the tough things about their job. That's my experience. They are and I I've been an instructor too. And yes, there is some times you're worried about the feedback because you worried if an instructor or a student you were hard on them, they get the critique at the end of the thing, and they're gonna blast you on it. Because I hate to say it, confidence ain't in the class with you at all times, but they damn sure read every single feedback or critique or uh in-the-course survey that you get, and most instructors are just worried about how they look on the survey. Because as instructors, we did it too. If you had a bad survey, we would read your stuff, laugh at it, joke on you with it. I never did because I didn't find that stuff funny, but people do, so people are more concerned about that. And if I'm the cool instructor, don't hold nobody accountable, let y'all eat and drink whatever you want in class, let y'all show up late, let y'all come back late, blah blah blah blah blah. Don't hold nobody accountable when there's uh those projects that have to be done. I don't really scrutinize them, just kind of let it go, you know, even though it's probably a D plus work, ah, whatever, good enough, and let it go. That's the problem, Tony. Thank you for being in here. I appreciate you being in here. It's all too late now. ALS should be done as an A1C. Wow. Well, they got they got those intermediate courses now. I think they call them like 400s, 500s, 600s, 700s, whatever they are now. But foundations is what they call it in between. But in my experience, the foundations is just a bunch of senior and coas, senior and cos trying to get bullets. My experience. Because there's nothing testable, it's just here. I'll give you information.
SPEAKER_02So are you saying are you saying because it's not testable, it's not useful information?
SPEAKER_05I wouldn't say it's not useful, it's just no accountability if I don't know it. It's almost like a self-thing. You have to really look inside yourself and say, do I need this stuff? And back to your qu my question to you, ALS. Like, I didn't find ALS beneficial at all. At all.
SPEAKER_02I loved ALS. If it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't have stayed in. I think I agree with Tony's statement. Yeah, I don't think it's it's not when you say it's not taken serious, you mean it's P and me? Oh, you're talking about the dress and appearance standards.
SPEAKER_05You're frozen. Can you pop out and pop back in?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_05All right, wait for him to come back in real quick. Uh yeah, Tony Bosick said both. That's how I feel too. Definitely both. Yeah, I'll be interested. Uh we get somebody with senior COA on here that talks about, you know, what what they did, or if it did make them a better senior, or will it make them a better senior? I think it's interesting to hear if that actually helped people out. Because I I agree with Tony, like it's not taken serious at all.
SPEAKER_02What's not I missed it. No, it must not take it serious. Dressing the parents or PME.
SPEAKER_05He said both.
SPEAKER_02I do agree with dressing the parents. Um, no, I agree with both. Yeah, I agree. It's and so then the question is why not? Because it's the individual's fault, or is it this the the curriculum or school's fault?
SPEAKER_05Both, but here's what I'll say: the curriculum can fix the individual's mindset.
SPEAKER_02The career field could fix the curriculum, curriculum, curriculum. Okay, what would you propose they put in it?
SPEAKER_05Can you uh pop out and pop back in? It's frozen again. Right now, um, I'll wait for him to get back in to address that. But yeah, Tony, you I wish you were on here because you are just bait, we're basically you're what I'm thinking, you're typing a hundred percent. I wait for him to come back in. And I know to Philly's point, he's gonna say people shouldn't need accountability all the time, but people do, and we'll wait for him to get back in. I'm not trying to gang up on him for this, but all right. So uh Tony said it just like I was gonna say there's no accountability.
SPEAKER_02That's what you think that needs to be changed, the accountability.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like if I look like trash, you're not walking across the stage.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree with you. That's what I'm saying. I agree.
The Tuna Sandwich Test: What To Say
SPEAKER_05And if if it's day one, like shirt school, day one, we show up in full dress blues, or I think it I think it's full, I think it's service dress. No, we bring our coats, but we wear our blues. And if you look like trash, they tell you what to fix. So then the next week, we have another inspection. And if you look like trash, and they say, hey, you need to fix this, get new pants, blah blah. Then so for the five weeks or six weeks, whatever shirt school is, you have an inspection every week.
SPEAKER_02It could be the maybe. Uh I won't, I don't want to say necessarily it's the quality and instructors, instructors, but I think that's something to do with it too. It does. I think you need you need the right people. Because like here, I look at it as an like when you went to basic training, military training. Maybe that's not a good example, I'll use it anyway. When you went to BMT, it's hard for you to question an MTI on their credibility and knowledge because you just coming in.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02When I go to a PME, I expect an instructor to be knowledgeable, I expect him to be professional, and everything I aspire, I aspire to be like them.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02And so an instructor should feel like they're the gatekeeper. Right. To your point, if nobody's walking across this stage unless you're uniform, squared away, and unless I feel like you've met all the checkpoints that the curriculum has offered.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02And they've got to feel emboldened to be able to say this and not have fear of retribution.
SPEAKER_05Correct. And that's where I hold the commandant responsible because outside looking in, and I'm trying to give him grace.
unknownOh Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_05I'm trying to give him grace. If I look at the school and see this, I'm like, this commandant's a piece of shit. He might look squared away, he might know what to do, but he can't teach nobody else how to do it, which makes you a POS. When I say POS, I mean as the Commandant. You're probably a great dude. You're probably a tremendous chief. You probably can lead squadrons and turn them inside out. But in this, right now, for the last couple classes. Just in this one area, something is terribly wrong. Tony Bosick said, Uh, you start making people feel the pain for not learning, growing, or not holding a standard, they will get right. If no one is ever telling me I'm wrong or there is no healthy fear of accountability, you get what we get now. Got now. That's how I feel.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I can't dispute that. I'm just I just want to make it clear again, and levels of responsibility or accountability in this case for the pictures. Yes, the commandant is the first person that because and without without you even bringing light to those pictures, you might have some people in the audience they'll may say, Oh, how come so-and-so look like this? Unless you know how the structure works, most people look at these pictures. Number one, they're just happy that the person graduated. Correct. They ain't worried about the now. You'll have some. I've I myself and my a lot of my people, uh, bosses, commanders I work for, we would dissect them on stage, like you like chief. You believe, Chief, you see his pants, blah blah blah blah. You know, you might want to go take care of that or whatever. I've I've got I've gotten that, but most people don't look at that, they're just happy hooping, hollering, you know, security forces. Yes, yes, they're not worried about, you know, please stop him, his buttons coming off. Woo! They're not doing that. The commandant, any in. I guess we I'm not trying to say the commandant should not be held at fault here. All I'm saying is, thinking of it, if I'm in that predicament, and I've been in that predicament many a time, where my team has messed up, and I trusted, say, maybe a senior or a master or a captain to execute something and it didn't go right, and we got blasted for it, and they came to me. My job as the leader is to take it on chimpanzee, my fault. I failed miserably, I will fix it. But there's levels because then at that point, you can then say the commandant should be ran through the ringer if they didn't follow up with the people on their team and held them accountable. Right. If he or she as the commandant receives all of the negativity about what happened with the class uniforms and did nothing, then I would agree with you.
SPEAKER_05Uh Scott Roy, sorry, he's on IG and I'm just getting to it. He said uh think of all the ishy senior NCOs, they will all graduate. Who fails PME anymore?
SPEAKER_02Uh, it's very rare.
SPEAKER_05I say it's a 99% pass rate. The only way you don't pass it is if you get caught cheating, which you can go back and retake it, redo it. Second thing is if you, you know, get a DUI or something like that. But actually going to the school every day, nobody fails PME. There's no consequences, zero. Uh Tony Bosik says, if it was young airmen, I would say the schoolhouse is solely responsible. Those are some damn senior NCOs, fam. They are all at fault. Yep. And I think that's what we said at the beginning. It's the students' fault first and foremost. It's the student's fault.
SPEAKER_02I agree. I agree. I think, and and I think again, no one likes to be called out, no one likes to be put in a position where a spotlight is on them for something negative. But I think once you get all through that, hopefully after this, they will make sure that they're squared away, and it will make sure that the troops they have are squared away so they don't repeat the same mistake.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, what's up, Murphy? How are you?
SPEAKER_02Hey, how you doing, girl? She was under the weather. Hope you're feeling better.
SPEAKER_05Uh curious on the sister service senior NCO experience versus the Air Force. We can talk about that.
SPEAKER_02That's hard to that's hard to say though, because we've had limited experience with that. You know what I mean? Like if you're talking about, if you're talking about in the sense of pageantry and how well you know they prepare or they they consider it, then I would agree, and you probably would attest to this, that they have a strong, they have a stronger um feeling or of how important it is, they take it seriously. They take it seriously, but as far as uniforms and stuff, I can't speak on that one, right?
SPEAKER_05And that's the key that you just said, they take it seriously. We don't take this stuff seriously. The only people take it serious is people that want to win awards. That's it.
SPEAKER_02No, I disagree with that one.
SPEAKER_05Tell me why. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_02That's because one, that's hard to say. So you're telling me it's almost like it's almost like two negatives. You say one, people don't take it seriously, and those who take it seriously is just to win awards. Correct. I don't agree with that. I've met a lot of people while I were in class who were just genuinely interested in learning, and they didn't give two ducks about awards, and they didn't win, but they're one of the best people in the class. I think I would reach I would reframe it as if it was me, I would reframe the comment as the people who don't take it seriously don't believe in how useful that the curriculum is for their advancement in their career. And then there are some people who see it as an opportunity to excel at so they can win an award or accolades to help their career. Those two are wrong. If you happen to go in there and you care about it and you do your job and you're helping people and you win, I think that's fair. Nothing wrong with that. So so let me ask you this. So you think if it was you, you would remove awards from PME?
SPEAKER_05No, you can keep awards, that's fine, that's fine because you got to give people motivation, and when you be honest, back to my point, an award is just motivation. Davis P said people definitely took senior and COA seriously. And my question is, they take it serious because what? What did they take serious? Because damn sure ain't the uniform inspections.
SPEAKER_02Are you talking about serious that class or in general?
SPEAKER_05He said people took definitely took senior NCOA seriously. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I meant to ask him, is he meant that specific class, or are you talking about people going to senior NCOA in general?
SPEAKER_05Oh, they take going serious because they want to put on senior, they can't put on senior without it. Uh Scott Roy said the biggest thing that comes out of that is the networking. That's the biggest win in senior TOA. Yep. I I agree. Uh Murphy says, uh I just I just a person go to I just a person go to the Coast Guard senior and TOA, and he said it's pretty relaxed. He said they apologize apologize to him for making him have a roommate because other USAF members made us think about it. But he said he learned a lot and everyone got a signed Coast Guard hat. Oh, how cute. Um, I will say I'm I will say if I went to another senior TOA, I would probably take it a lot more serious and learn a lot more than if I went to an Air Force.
SPEAKER_02Because you're genuinely interested in learning about their service, or you think they they take it more seriously as far as their like why would you say that?
SPEAKER_05A, I would think a responsibility represents my service, so that's A. B, I would be genuinely interested to learn what they do every day. I would come to class pretty motivated.
SPEAKER_02So it'd be you would be intrigued by learning something new, correct? But to your in your experience between ALS and NCOA, there was nothing there you felt like that was interesting enough that piqued your interest. And shirt school, yes, they church school. I can understand that I'm not I'm not a shirt. I'm just I just think I just I really I don't know. I I'll leave that alone because I'm not a shirt. I can't speak to it. I just don't think and you know the funny thing is what so for shirt school, you guys did a uniform inspection, right? Every week, every week. So why wouldn't they do that? I don't know. Maybe they do somebody tell me, I don't know, but I don't think they do that in senior in COA. They couldn't have because then those pictures wouldn't have happened.
SPEAKER_05No, supposedly they did every week? I don't know about every week, but they did like three to four.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so then this shouldn't have happened.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, uh Scott Roy says Marine senior in COA was next level. Much respect for how they do the things. Oh, yeah. I'm interested, did you actually attend it or just you know watch videos on it? Uh oh, here we go. Tony Bostick. I went to Marine Corps Advancement Course, legitimately learned more about leading people in five weeks, more than the Air Force PME I had combined.
SPEAKER_02I mean so so, Gooch, tell me tell me what is it that you learned that should be incorporated in Air Force PME? And before you do that, great question. Tell me something that's going to be relatable because I would tell you a lot of the stuff that we would learn from the Marine Corps or the Army and the Navy, tactical-wise, maybe leadership-wise, there are some or a lot of Air Force AFSCs that believe it's too forward, too strict, too discipline for the Air Force.
SPEAKER_05Great question. Uh, while you're waiting, you're frozen. Can you pop out and pop back in? God dang it. Uh yeah, that's a great question. I'd be interested if anybody wants to uh bring Tony on the podcast right now. Hey Tony, you're welcome to come on, bro, if you want, because I'm interested to hear that as well. Um very interested to hear that. But yeah, I do think it's a cultural problem. I do think there's a critique thing that has to do with it. Uh send me the link. All right, hold on, hold on. The importance of accountability and respect. Let me get Philly back on here. All right, Tony wants to come on, so I'll set that up real quick. Let me uh I'm gonna have to switch this all up.
SPEAKER_06Don't worry, nobody uh let me switch this all up.
SPEAKER_05Give me a second, y'all. Tony, I'll send it to you in a second.
SPEAKER_06All this work I gotta do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, while he's doing that, man, um I wanna what I don't want to do is bash on my on the Air Force, man. Air Force is is great. We got a lot of good people in it, a lot of sharp people, a lot of professional people. But I do agree, this has always been an issue for a long time as far as accountability. And one would say we all have to look internally. I'm not perfect. I mean, I've had times where I may have seen something and it I I let it slide because I was too busy. But I would argue, I think we all need to do better in that regard. Because you figure once you allow it to happen, then that person believes that's the norm. But speaking on PME, hold on, Scott Roy, DC. I'm sorry, my bad, Scott DC, but we hire instructors off of the time and service, not off talent. That's the problem. Oh man, you know what? That's a great point and a great comment because I think to your point, instructors should be hired on how knowledgeable and experienced they are, not based on time and service, not based on who the unit decides to give them, not based on people who just want to do it because they want to get out of their career field. If you are one of the best in the career field and your craft, you should be pulled to be an instructor. That should be a part of it, and going far beyond that, and I'm sure you MTIs would love this, you should be rewarded for it. How many times people got pulled to be NTIs and such, and they struggled at promotion? If you are an instructor, you leave your career field and you do good work, you should be rewarded for it. I think that would encourage more people or entice more people to be an instructor. That's a great point, Scott. No different than first sergeant. I know we have a process to vet people to be first sergeants and has gotten better over the years, but I would argue there's still some people that should not be first sergeant. There's some people that should not be first. Hell, there's some people that should not be chiefs, there should not be people that should be commanders. I'll tell you, we need to do better on that. I think the critical thing missing in that regard is an assessment of character. How do you assess character? Because when we look at talent, what we look at, we look at performance reports, we look at decorations, awards. What about character? Shea says, You need to make a template for this P. I agree. I've been trying to do that on OBS, so I feel his pain. I know that's not difficult, that's difficult on the fly. Shea says, first sergeant just moved to talent marketplace.
SPEAKER_03Hmm.
SPEAKER_02Interesting.
SPEAKER_05Hey, I sent you that link, Tony. Uh um, and I messed up on this template, it kicked you off. So we can't see you on the horizontal, but you're still on the vertical, so I'll keep it where it's at. Uh, there's an element of wanting to be there that is missing.
Who Owns Standards: Student To Commandant
SPEAKER_02That's the that's the point I'm trying to make. Like, there should be people should run to be instructors. Because one, the Facebook, Facebook, because one, there's the uh the joy of making a difference, two, the prestige behind it, and three, the promotion benefits. Because you know, I wanted to be a first sergeant back in the day, and the reason why I didn't do it because I knew it was gonna slow me down for promotion. I regret it. I should have done it. I regret it. I made senior that year, so I was right. Go figure. But anyway, um, in the end, I think we need to do better at picking and selecting talent when it comes to those critical um jobs.
SPEAKER_05So we um he just got the link, so they're waiting to see if he can get on. Okay, we can attack that from there because I'm interested to hear his perspective of it. I can't believe I kicked you out of there like that. And I don't know how to get you back. I'll fix it later when we get off, but we're about to get off. So let me see if he gets on and we'll give him a quick 20. Oh, there he goes, there he goes. We got him, we got him, we got him.
SPEAKER_02Tom Peppa guy. Tom Pepper Guy.
SPEAKER_05Uh, quick question. Can you turn your camera the other way horizontal? There you go. Yeah, there you go. And then let me make sure everybody can hear you. All right, on you. It's on you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so so what was the question again?
SPEAKER_05Uh, what things would you take out of the Marine Corps PME or any other PME that you bring to the Air Force PME?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then but real quick before you answer, consider no different than when we try to incorporate force protection for everybody in the Air Force. People say, Well, that's not my job, or they think that's a little bit too extreme. I would imagine some of the things that you learn in the marine advanced course, most embassies would think extreme. But anyway, I'll pause this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. So there's one one thing that you can't just add uh to a P that the Marines already have. Like there is a felt need that this is a warfighting machine. They already truly understand that everything they do is to fight wars, period. So when you go in that environment, they already have that embedded in them all the way down to when they're the evil and own up, right? So when when I walked into that to that arena, um it was just a different kind of feel, man. Like you already felt that the tone was set early. Uh, when they say, hey, you need to be here at 05, they had cats showing up at 0505. They got, you know, yeah, these are gunnies getting their ass chewed, getting kicked back sent back later. If you um if you don't pass your your they had two two um physical tennis tests you had to do, you had to do the the CFT and then uh the regular PT or whatnot. If you fail one of those, you going back home. Um you the the actual work inside of it was not hard. It was not really mentally demanding when you talk about actually uh pending down uh documents and paperwork and so on and so forth. But um the physical part and the the self-motivation and mental part, staying in tune with who you are as a senior leader, um, is it's thoroughly embedded in there by constantly holding you accountable. Man, there was times we would go into the the um they call it the PX, and it was a bunch of gunnies and uh man, all those damn last corporals, and they will unas the AO and they will say, Hey, here you go, Gunny, and they'll look at me counting my stripes. Oh, so you're an Air Force uh Master Sergeant? Okay, yeah. It's just uh a whole different vibe over there. And what it what it did tell me, man, that's like, hey, regardless of of what rank they are um as an officer, 110% respect. You know how sometimes we treat second lieutenants like babies? They don't play that over there, they don't they do not play that. Um, you know how sometimes you look at some some staff sergeants like they're man, you damn airmen, they don't play that. Like, and and we do. So with the Marine Corps embedded in me, man, is a is to currently hold yourself accountable the same way you hold somebody else accountable and respect every and all levels of rank, even to the doers, like the the youngest E1s and E2s, how they operate. You respect that they put in their hard work and you go then and you let them know that the Air Force focused so much on the business acumen on how we kind of conduct things on a on a larger scale, which I'm not gonna lie, thoroughly prepared me for when I got out of the military to deal with the civilian sector. Like I was 100% ready to deal with civilians, and I think the Marines kind of gonna struggle with that because they focus so much on warfighting that they don't pay attention to the corporate side. But uh, that's that's one of the biggest things I learned. Man, I I felt when I came back to to base and to get to Dino, I'm like, look at all these damn clowns. I just felt different. I felt different. Um, Chief C Z was our command, uh, our command chief out there at the time, and um he was talking to me about it. He was like, he knew what I was he knew what I was feeling because how I would operate, it was just I don't know, it was different, man. I I would hope everybody had a chance to do something like that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I think we should incorporate going to other schools, but I think it has to be the right people, right? Not the people trying to chase awards, not the people who are all Air Force and standing up tall in their blues, people who really genuinely care and want to know stuff like that. Because I would generally care about stuff like that. I think that's really moves the needle for me. Uh Shay says, I think the lack I think a lack of respect for ranks was when people lose themselves with promotion. I agree. Promotion is yeah, you promote the wrong person, man. You're gonna know it. You definitely gonna know it.
SPEAKER_01But but look up how we set it up foundationally, though, man. Just just just I okay, me, me and um the Diks have weird calling DC. Uh me, me and Chief County's kind of talking about this before. Man, like um when you walk inside of um a PX, it's the whole rank structure thing, right? If they yell Marine, all Marines turn around, they yell soldier, all the soldiers turn around. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You you got airmen, you airman ain't no staff sergeant, no mass sergeant turnaround, no colonel, nobody nothing, only the airmen turn around, right? Right. So we basically made who we are almost like a damn uh uh doormat. Like you you can't just if you're an airman, you own that shit. You own being an airman, like everybody's an airman, right? But we don't do that. That's part of part of the problems that we have, man. We don't respect rank because it's almost self-destrating. Like you, like you can't respect rank when you tie to um who you really are. Like, if you went to like if we say, hey, you are uh basic warfighter to warfighter first class to senior warfighter, then you become a staff sergeant, then you can remove the word airman out of it, and when you say airman, you know that I'm talking to that damn 06 or to that general or to that A1C. That's where the respect comes from. When you but when you defecate it on all the time, like it's not gonna get the respect no matter what you do, it's just not.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's a great point as far as the difference between the services when you yell you yell soldier. Everyone, everybody in the army will turn around, marine, you know, um sailor, but it's not like that in the air force. I mean, that's a great, that's a really great point when we talk about airmanship and stuff, and they come out, they came out with I don't know how long ago, you know, when he was talking about defining what airmanship is and what it is to be an airman, and I am an American airman. Fuck, we can't figure out that we're all airmen without somebody getting pissy about it. Correct. Like, you know what I mean? Correct.
SPEAKER_01Man, they had airmen defined or airmanship defined in four different ways in three types of documents, man, when they were when they were first doing that. And I asked we were I was at my night and uh Jeep ass and her crew came out, they were doing a tour, and they was like, So she said, So how do you define being an airman or something like that? So I was like, Hey ma'am, it's hard to do that, you know, when we have like three different, it's defined three different ways. And she was like, is that so? I'm like, yes, ma'am. So what they call him Diamond first, but he came over. He was like, Hey, you need to come down to this thing. Uh and we went, I went down to the thing in San Antonio to help build the um the uh the new enlisted force structure, whatever you want to call it. And let me tell you, I'm gonna tell you what I did, man. I took an airman down there. Um, and she, you know how they say you bring somebody to help kind of um develop, help the landscape to develop the mindset of the younger airmen, too.
SPEAKER_03Right.
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SPEAKER_01So I brought a senior down there, a female senior. She's defender, she was a dog, bruv. She was a she was a dog. And the only reason why I bought her because I know she's gonna speak her mind, she's not afraid of, and everybody else is bringing like master sergeants and all these damn, I don't want to call them out, but they was kind of, yeah, fucking. They was kidding, they was some ass kids in there as senior. Right, right, right, right. So, so when they were asking questions about like, hey, what like are the airmen the smartest uh than they ever been? And stuff, so on and so forth, and um, you know, they were giving these all wild answers, and this senior airman, man, she was like, she's like, no, uh, we just got cell phones. Great point, great point, great point. And um, this uh this chief massarden, she was um, she's over, she was over calm. And she, man, she jumped all over there. She was like, You're right. She said they're digitally enabled. That's what it is. We keep saying they're the smartest every, blah, blah, blah. They're not really learning nothing because it's it's provided to them. And and it was it's insane how that one senior airman um gave a beauty point to all these chiefs and stuff, um, that they weren't they weren't tracking. And we don't think we knew that enough, man, to help our force grow the right direction.
SPEAKER_05So, do you think PME should be just thrown out, or do you think it should be done better?
SPEAKER_01It should be done better, man. Never like man, don't listen. Don't let me get on, man. I can talk about shit out of it. Throwing shit out is stupid, man. Like, it is so stupid to throw stuff away because it was created for a purpose, it was developed for a reason at some point. You you should always look to fix it before you get rid of it. The same thing with DI, like um how they throwing DI away. Man, don't throw it away. DEI was broke, it was 100% broke. I don't care what nobody says. I one time I walked when I was before DI started, I would look at my leadership board and it would be the great Caucasian race. It was like everybody, all white man, blah blah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But then, like, but then like eight to nine months later, after DEI, we look like the damn the United Nations, like I said before. It was it was insane. I was like, I was scratching my head, like, wait a minute. So all these people were qualified before, but but they weren't looked at. It just swung too fast. So you have to realize that hey, you know what, we have a problem, you don't get rid of it, you fix it. PME is the same way, like it was stuff in PME when I was coming up that was very, very important. Like learning how to write an EPR the right way, learning how to um to handle stressful situations when you sit in a room and you're trying to talk to a troop, even though I may have dealt with it a little bit earlier as a as a young airman as a defender. But that stuff needs to be back in there, like you need to fix PME, don't destroy it, man.
SPEAKER_05And maybe that's my question, Philly. I'll let you go. Uh I think PME for cops is different than PME for other career fields. Because take somebody, I want to pick them on medical people, but say dental. They're worried about how to clean teeth and make it to the next level. They're not really worried about leading people. With us, and maybe I'm just speaking for myself, as a senior airmen, I had shit. I remember Chief gave me uh three troops as a senior airman when I didn't even have ALS yet to lead and motivate and everything else. So it's like that's how we're brought up. So when I went to ALS, I'm like, all this crap about feedback and how to sit there and handle conflict and man, y'all wasting my time. What am I even? Y'all, this block of instruction is not meant for me. And I damn sure am not the type that wants to be like, oh, this is my time to shine. Let me look like the smartest one in the room. I'm looking at like y'all wasting my time. This is not how the real world operates. This is meant for your other career fields.
SPEAKER_02That's a tough one. That's a tough one to say that, though. Why you say you know whether we whether we believe it or not, let's be honest, there's a lot of a lot of that is what you said is true. You know, I'm sure uh Gooch could attest to this, but when we go to PME, when they do certain segments, when they talk about discipline, and they talk about um like you know, letter reprimands, counseling, following up, making sure they understand their their duties and responsibilities. That's stuff we do every day, whether it be in Garmouth, whether it be on post checks and all that. So we laugh and when people say, Well, how can I tell my airmen what they did wrong? Because you know, they might get upset and they shut down, and when you know, we chuckle because it's like, and then when we respond, they like act like it's the break greatest thing. Like, oh my god, how did you know that? It's like we but I would argue the army looks at us that way too. Correct, like when we you know I mean, because it's like we're a spin-off really of the army, and when I went through the ranks and security police, they always told us we were like the grunts of the Air Force, so everything we do is really you know, it's easy for us when it comes to that regard. But when we say that it's not useful for us, because as far as career fields, that's a slippery slope. Then it gives the other people the impression being uncomfortable that the defenders know more about or better at leading and managing folks. Because you know it's interesting, you know how you ever I'll say this real quick. You notice every base I go to when they try to prepare people for deployments in war, who's always doing the training?
SPEAKER_01Send them to the cops, fragrance training sectors. Uh that that's fair. So so here's what here's what I say, and Pete, and you're right, man, but you're you're kind of wrong. And here's why. The only reason why that stuff seemed elementary to you is because of the experience you had. Right. You gotta you gotta think about it. A lot of these these cats from Meg Group, uh, Jag, all like the WC, they don't they don't get airmen until maybe they take sergeants sometimes. Right, right. Sometimes they maybe they may never ever had it. You unfortunately was given airmen when you weren't even supposed to have it. Right, right. So so you learned everything the hard way. You might have a staff sergeant or Bubby kind of helping you out, maybe, maybe not. You probably had somebody guiding you, but right. That's why I think that's that's why I think those lessons that they were teaching the ALS should have been given to you as an A1C. Because they're they're preparing you for that. Like it's backwards. Like you're giving me information on how to to uh lead people um when I've already done it for three, four years. Like we lead fire teams, lead start, we lead all the time. So, in my opinion, leading is leading, it's just the timing that you get the information to be sure you're leading the right way, is where we're backwards in the Air Force. We're not we don't do that right. Like, that's why you sit you sitting in that room, you're like, Man, I've been doing this for three, four, five years already. Why am I talking about this now? You're probably low-key thinking, like, damn, I wish I would have known this, I wish I would have known this right two, three years ago.
SPEAKER_05Right, right, exactly. And I think the way they teach is like this is how it's gonna be done. It's like that's not how it's done. Like I tell you, like, in church school, they'd be like, when two people had a conflict, they'd be like, So, what you need to do is get two people in the room and say, We're gonna hold a caucus. Who the fuck talks like that? If somebody thing could be just saying, hey, you and T Counselor are gonna come to my office to hold a caucus. What the hell is a caucus? You would have lost me already. I would have been done. No good. I don't even want to be there. And then, oh, let's pause this conversation because we're not getting nowhere. No, it'd be a chief in there, a master, and be like, Pete, shut the F up, let him talk. Or Philly, shut up, let Pete talk. And that's how I maybe it's the wrong way that it's done. That's how I'm used to it. Shane said Tony Bosick 100%. I was saying same thing about uh same thing before I retire. We do PMA, PME way too late, and the quality of PME is suspect in a whole convert in a whole other conversation. I agree.
SPEAKER_02Sky Roy on IG says we the second youngest service still finding and our identity. How long do you think can we use that as a as an excuse?
SPEAKER_01You my boy Roy, and I'm with DC on this one. That's a that shit. Maybe you can throw that name excuse. Clean the hell away. 75 years old, we still young. 75 years young. We got grandkids, bro.
SPEAKER_02We still and even more so. I think I think we have the credibility. If you look at all of the the conflicts that we were involved in, at least when we were in, between well, not all of us, you know. Oh lord, you're gonna say Vietnam. So let's just say Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Iraqi freedom, enduring freedom, and such. The Air Force paid played a major role in all those conflicts. In fact, we're the first thing they think of when it's time to do something is always the Air Force, right? True. And so I get it. Not all of us five fly planes, but if you look at during those conflicts, how many of us have been you know in the engagements or you know, showed our capabilities with the army or with the marines in combat or downrange? And you have folks coming back when and don't give me wrong, no peek on to say there are most people earned their army comm medal or you know, the the equivalent marine medal. There are some, but we have proven that we have been able to get out there and do our thing outside of the five two. So when we say we're looking, you know, we're you know, we use identity. I think if anything, we should be helping the space force. They're the ones that need to find their identity because to this day, I love them dudes, but they're not respected. I love them dudes, but no one believes in those guys, they're super smart. Don't get me wrong, and they're cool, they're cool, you know, they got the little inverted ranks. Every time I talk to people when I'm in the civilian sector, they always look at me, they'd be like, Hey DC, what's what's what's really going on with that space force? Like, who are they fighting? The Cleons, Battlestar Electrica. Chief, do they have like a space station that they're creating where airmen are fighting? Do they use like phasers or something? Phasers. So I don't think we can use that as an excuse anymore.
SPEAKER_01But saying the air, the space force is listen, those who don't understand what they do, uh are the ones who are crazy, they are so integral to the future of combat, right? Like people do not understand the space force is critical, just like when we were Air Force, everybody didn't expect Air Force. Guess what, when we were young, you win in wars with air power. Facts Space Force is going to, I'm telling you, they better learn respect them, them crazy looking weird dudes.
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SPEAKER_02I would rather them not use the term space force, though. Because I can understand how someone who, to your point, doesn't understand how important they are or integral to the future warfare. They when they think of space force, they think of, like I said, Star Trek, Battle Star Collective, Star Wars, them flying in outer space, whereas it's more is cyber warfare, missile defense, things of that nature. So I think it's just the term space force and them changing it, you know, having their own uniform with the blue in it and the crazy stripes, like they tried to and an Air Force did it too. Because at one point, you know, we changed our chevron stuff. It's just I think they're gonna go through their paces like we did, I suppose.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh yeah, until it's until it's go time, then they can realize oh space force is important.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when it's go time, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_05Well, Tony, hey bro, thanks for coming on as always, man. Appreciate you coming on, giving your respect there for sure, man.
SPEAKER_02Always it's all good, man.
SPEAKER_01Much love, man. Y'all take it easy, brother. All right, bro. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Sky Royce says on IG the Space Force are just like are just the warrant officers of the Air Force. Yep, they're subject matter experts. What we need to focus on. That's a good point. Good way of looking at it. Yeah, good way of looking at it.
SPEAKER_05All right, you ready to go? Ready to call good?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, it was good. Good conversation, y'all. I think we put that to bed, so yeah, we're good.
SPEAKER_05All right, well, good conversation, more to come, more to come. And we'll holla at y'all the next one, whenever the next one is, either next Sunday or before Sunday.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_05We out.
SPEAKER_02Yep, we out. Turn your notifications on, you can catch us, man. As always, you got ideas. Hit us up, guess you want us to have on, hit us up, and then uh we'll take a look at it. But outside of that, famigo birds, as always.
SPEAKER_05I'm popular celebrities, y'all. Peace, peace, peace, peace.
