We Argue About Leadership So You Don’t Have To

We start with NBA Finals heat, then pull the thread into a bigger talk about pressure, image, and what “hype” actually proves. From First Sergeant culture to Freemasons hazing stories to advice for brand new Master Sergeants, we keep coming back to one question: are you performing leadership or practicing it? 
• Spurs vs Knicks series reactions, Brunson as the matchup problem, Wemby frustration and inexperience 
• NBA Finals comeback history, the weight of losing two home games, “league narrative” talk 
• why the First Sergeant chant feels disconnected, when traditions fit, and why messing it up looks terrible 
• Freemasons recruitment story, initiation vs hazing, hygiene and respect as non-negotiables 
• First Sergeant Academy takes, why awards can promote fake behavior, what the school can and can’t teach 
• guidance for new Master Sergeants, mentorship expectations, mess dress standard, leading without selfies 
• what to tell great people who don’t get promoted, controlling the 24 hours after the list drops 
• Pentagon vs unit timing, learning your craft before trying to shape policy 
• meet-and-greet ethics, paying for celebrities, autograph-on-the-back debate, fan boundaries 

You can always leave us a voicemail as well, uh, and just ask questions or give comments. 

Transcript

Intro Music And Stream Plans

SPEAKER_01 0:12

What up, man? We're gonna have to really fix this thing.

SPEAKER_07 0:16

That intro is fire. I was rolling. I was like, I was I was I was dancing over here, man. It's like um what'd he say? I had some really good speakers, some bass. That's your bum, boy. You can see that at a club.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

You know what? I was thinking about changing it. You remember that old song? Is it uh came out? We ready, we ready, man. That joint gets if that joint don't get you hyped, check your heartbeat.

SPEAKER_07 0:58

I don't know about that one. That's crazy. Old school, man. I like this one. But I mean, you can have as an alternate though, you know, you can always do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Uh no, once you get an intro, you kind of gotta stick with it. It's your it's your format, it's just who you are, it's how you represent. Okay, anyway. Sunday, big day. Uh, this is my last stream for oh no no shoot. No, no, next one, next one, next one, next one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next one is my last one for a while. Uh, and then Monday, I was thinking about doing the Spurs and Knicks game. I know you probably won't be off by the time it gets uh by the time you get home. Shoot, 5:30. Well, 530. I'm sorry, 5:30 my time. That's what really that early, and it's on the east coast. Well, east coast is what 7:30 or something, 8:30. It shows so late on the East Coast. It's I feel so bad for my East Coast people. Like, you have to be a different breed or just grow up over there to get used to watching games at midnight. I mean, to me, that's kind of crazy. I remember when I was stationed in uh

Spurs Down 0-2 And Why

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Delaware, we were watching the uh Floyd Mayweather fight. Bro, that thing didn't start till one o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_07 2:20

Hey. Pays the cost to be the ball.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

But uh it starts at 8 30 on the East Coast.

SPEAKER_07 2:26

No, it starts at 7. Yes, yeah, 8:30. You're right. 7:30 here. So I should be home by then.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Yeah, I was like, are you trying to do the whole game or just I was I watched the whole game, maybe just the second half, but you might be asleep by the time that happens because that's late. Oh, yeah, I don't know about that, but it's garbage. Hey, ain't none of the games been garbage. How surprised are you that the Spurs are down 2-0?

SPEAKER_07 2:53

I am very you know, someone made the the idea of the Spurs are gonna suck because they didn't have any rest for the Knicks has been resting all along. And I was like, I think that's gonna hurt the Knicks. And man, was I wrong? I must admit, I have y'all gonna kill me, especially you Spurs fans. But I made a post on my Facebook page that I was officially hitching my wagon to the bandwagon of the Spurs. Yeah, I must admit, I started loosening to the boat. I was I was like, yo, I was about to be like, you would be like, yo, duck, yo, yo, let me out. Yeah, that's how I feel because it's embarrassing, bro. Like, you know what's funny? Shout out to Spurs fans, man. Because them dudes, even when they lose, they still find some reason to go out there in the street, do some wild stuff. They don't give two ducks.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

I mean, it's you know what? I think you probably don't remember, but I did tell you the Spurs would be an easier matchup for the Knicks, and nobody believed me. OKC would have been a nightmare for this for the Knicks, but the Spurs don't match up well with them. And the only reason go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 4:07

No, no, go ahead, go ahead. I'll cut you off. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

I think the only reason I say that is Brunson is a problem, and OKC has better perimeter defenders than the Spurs. Spurs have good perimeter defenders, but Brunson is a problem, he is a serious problem, and everybody thinking Wimby, I don't think the lights are too bright for Wimby. I think the way they're playing defense on him, he's getting frustrated. He's throwing, like, did you see the last game where he threw up uh he threw the ball away?

SPEAKER_07 4:42

Oh, you mean when he threw the ball and hit the back of the player?

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:48

At the end, like oh man, you know, you always hindsight things, but I think it's inexperience too, and I think it's a lot of pressure. Someone made a post on Facebook, can't remember his name, but he made a great point. The NBA, you know, there's long been you know um suspicion that the NBA has been fixing games or whatever, any sport these days, right? And one would argue that the NBA has gotten what they want. They've gotten the next story franchise who haven't been in the finals, who hasn't won a final since 73. And then you had the Spurs with arguably the next big star that's gonna take over the NBA is Wimby. Right? And so they got him in the finals where they want him at. And then the last shot or the shot where Wimby could be the hero, he missed. And I think that's let's see, what's up, Freddie Kincaid? What's going on with you, bro? Freddie Kincaid says that turnover off the back of Castle is just IQ chemistry. Yeah, and I think it's a lot of nerves, too. I think this is gonna make Wimby stronger. I hate to say it, but the boat from my wagon is slowly starting to come out. I think I think it's over for the Spurs, bro. I know y'all gonna like it.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

I think I think they're gonna go down 3-1. Come back to San Antonio, yeah, and if they can win that, that's really their only hope. It's really looking bleak, and I'm sure in the locker room is bleak too, because they have an inexperienced head coach. It's not like they have I'm sure Papa Bitch is around, but they ain't got Papa Bitch there to kind of hold the team together. They're all young, they haven't been down 2-0 in the playoffs yet. They were at home and down 2-0. Now you gotta go to New York for two games, and like you said, New York ain't won since the 70s, it's fitting to be crazy.

SPEAKER_07 6:52

Oh, bruh. I, you know, like I said, I will be the first to admit I'm wrong on an on several accounts. One, I was wrong about Jalen Brunson. Like for years, like I know I seen him play them Villanova and all that, but I really didn't watch this dude. I was like, what's the big deal about June Jalen Brunson? Man, I mean, like I'm looking at his stature, like he ain't all that, you know. See, oh, it's over for sure. Freddie Kikade says, Oh, it's over for sure. Knicks and four ain't no gentleman sweep. Haha, dang. Savage.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Dang, Spurs made it out the West.

SPEAKER_07 7:25

Spurs made it out the West, but the Knicks look unbeatable. Uh, I don't know if they're unbeatable, but it don't look good that they won't win the finals. And here's here's another reason why. I looked it up last night. I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about it. I said, let me do a little search. So I said, Yeah, when was the last time a team in the NBA finals was down, you know, two games and won the finals?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

There was uh oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 7:53

No, I was gonna say it were five teams total. What was the one you were gonna say?

SPEAKER_02 7:57

The Cavs and Warriors correct, yep, in 2016.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

It was four or three the Cavaliers won. I think that was fixed anyway, but that's another story.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

And I think the Cavs, or was it the Heat um San Antonio?

SPEAKER_07 8:10

You're close, Heat and the Mavericks.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Heat and the Mavericks, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:14

That was fixed too.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

He knows those are both LeBron James teams, right? Oh well, LeBron been to 10 finals, so it's hard not to find him in one. Hey Gene Harrison, I got a question for you. If you still on here, let me know. I got a question for you.

SPEAKER_07 8:29

Kind of funny question, and then you've got uh the Buc and the Suns in 21. The Bucks play the Suns? Yeah, in 2021. Who the heck was on the Suns? Four games of two. Was that Durant with the Suns? No, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't all right. Let me fact check that one then.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Yeah, Gene, what do you think about when somebody leads the first aren't chant and they mess it up? Do you think they should take the diamond off? Have to take the diamond off.

SPEAKER_07 9:02

A better question is why y'all even have a first sergeant chant? It is corny as duck. That's yours terrible.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

You know what? It's a big copyright infringement for the first star and chant, and people don't realize it is, but it's from that old movie where they say gamma, gamma, gamma, gamma.

SPEAKER_07 9:19

Yeah, school days, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

And people don't, it's like people don't have never seen it, but they said when I was in shirt school, they told me that somebody came up with that chant a long time ago. I said, Oh, he got that from school days, and they were like, No, he came in up with that on his own. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That is the ideal school days chant, and all he did was say one sharp rock.

SPEAKER_07 9:48

That is the corny, one of the corniest chants I have ever heard. Only because they got it from school days.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Laughing out loud. It's funny not take it's funny not taking the diamond off, though.

SPEAKER_07 10:05

I mean, y'all, I'm good with y'all. I love the diamonds. I love first stars. It's just y'all chant is whack. It's whack. Y'all need to change that joint.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

It's whack. Yeah, practice it prior for sure because it sounds crazy when you mess it up.

SPEAKER_07 10:19

You better admit if I was on, I would be playing it right now just to show you to illustrate it. I don't know it ain't the right thing to do, but an example of a bad chant. You know who I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Oh, yeah, it was horrible. It was horrible. I love the role. He's like right, it was effing horrible. Like, this is a prototypical person who just wants the limelight and it looks stupid as when they're in it. That was terrible. That was a terrible

Finals Comeback Math And Conspiracies

SPEAKER_02 10:55

if you did it for the right reasons, you wouldn't have that. If y'all want to see it, I don't give a duck because you acted up.

SPEAKER_07 11:04

Let's illustrate what is the before we get on that. Let me quickly finish the finals thing, then we can quickly go back to that. Yes, the Bucs did play the Suns. It was Devin Booker's Suns in 2000. Dang it, what Giannis won the finals with the Bucs. They was down two games and they won. Yeah, and then of course you have Portland and Philly, which I hate in 77 when Bill Walden's team was down 2-0 and they beat the 67. And then the last one was Boston and the Lakers in 69. Oh, Boston. But anyway, more importantly, did you know in NBA history there has never been a team down two games when they played at home and won the finals, meaning the Spurs had two home games and they lost two home games. They've no team has ever done that and won the final.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Wow. So that's so I'm gonna put $20 on the Spurs and see what happens to win the finals.

SPEAKER_07 12:00

Well, I got my WD 40. I'm squirting it on the boat.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Go ahead. What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_07 12:07

Okay, now back to the shirt there. I want you to I want you, I'm a I'm not a shirt. Although I suspect I know what the reasons why, but I'm gonna let you handle it because since you're from their same uh group, I was illustrate for me the right reasons to do the channel.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

So the right reason is a retirement ceremony for a shirt. That's the right place and right time. Uh if you have you could even do an doing no, not a

The First Sergeant Chant Debate

SPEAKER_02 12:40

and graduation and shirt graduation. That's it. That's the only two places I can think of it. Shirt graduation and Maxwell. That's it.

SPEAKER_07 12:49

So you know you have an issue if someone did it at the shirt council meeting just to hype people up. I would think that's maybe an maybe an alumni shirt like Manny Panero comes visit or something.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

People want to come. No, I think that's corny. I think that's corny. Yes, I think that's super corny. Manny Panero, I know you got your little LLC that you're doing. Congratulations on that. I mean, I don't know if it's big or little, but you got your LLC, congratulations on that. Uh, but if you ever come to a shirt meeting and try to start the meeting by one sharp rock, that is freaking flopping corny. Some people love it. I think it's almost like you know, when you got uh what's that group called, the Qs, and they do their little thing. I think that is hype. I get hype when I see them do things.

SPEAKER_07 13:37

I think that's corny too. I think that's corny too, but I'm not a Q doll, so I guess maybe I'll be possible different. I just think it's corny. I think um I yo, I ain't gonna look I'm not shout out Khaleb right. My gal is in one of the divine nine ski wee. I'm not a joint. This could be a show in itself, but if I ever was given the opportunity, because I know you don't get to choose, they choose you, right? I will tell you, out of all the divine nine, the Q's that stuff is is corny as duck.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

You got these cold ass mention be doing it. You there's an age limit, there's an age limit when you hopping around and doing that, yes, sir. Like that's when they make the ugly face. I'm like, there's no point in that. Yeah, but the when they're all together, it's cool.

SPEAKER_07 14:45

Yes, yes, those like Unity teamwork, I get that, but when they be getting together, getting drunk, smoking cigars, you got these old ass bastards out there trying to use that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

There's definitely an age limit. There's definitely because when the younger dudes do it, the guys that are straight out of college, even like 30s, maybe even uh mid-30s, it looks cool. But when you guys 50-year-old men doing it, yeah, it like come on, like just sit there and bark in the background. Yeah, yeah. Just bark in the background and do just one step, you know, like the two steps.

SPEAKER_09 15:31

Yo, you say yo, just be like the dog in the background.

SPEAKER_07 15:35

That's it. Yeah, let I admit it's a young man's game. Go ahead and do those steps, young man. I'll be on the background, like, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, that's it. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Yeah, that's cool. But I do like, I do, I do get hype when I see it. I will say, uh, I watched Stop the Art. Yeah, stop the yeah, that's a young man game. Y'all hilarious, but y'all gotta get the cues right. Oh, I don't care. They can't whoop me. It ain't a F. That's about her. That's the other thing I'll say. I remember I went to a Q party one time. This was a long time ago. I went to a Q party, I was in the military, went to a Q party, and I was like, they did their little thing. I was like, oh, that's pretty corny. Man, you would think they're a gang that wants to jump me. I'm like, yo, y'all are not a gang. I don't care how big. Like, if y'all want to be a gang, then be a gang. I thought it was supposed to be a fraternity where y'all guys fighting for colors. You better go. Exactly. Like, relax, homie. Here we go, Pete. No, I'm not hey Royce. So I'm I'm peaceful, I'm peaceful, but I'm just like, I'm a state my opinion as well. Like, yo, it's corny. But I seen some that give me hype. When I see the videos on the YouTube shorts, yeah, yeah, that short gets me hype.

SPEAKER_07 17:16

When you used to get these old ass basses out there, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 17:19

Gerital, bingay, yeah, like when you can't do the splits no more. When you try to get down and do the splits and you go like this far, like, yo, you can you gotta, you know, a new move. When they uh yeah, okay. I'm glad you said that, Gene. That's where I was at overseas. Maybe it is different over there, but I'm just like, it's almost like the the Freemasons. Boy, boy, do I got an issue with the Freemasons, and I know a lot of them, and I respect a lot of them, but boy, I will never forget. I I think I told you my Freemasons. Oh, Royster's hitting the shirt school in August. For what?

SPEAKER_07 18:02

You about to become a for what? I don't know. He might be giving a speech. I don't know. He becoming the shirt.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Royce, I hope you come in the shirt. And and uh Brown's great again.

SPEAKER_07 18:15

Stop this chant nonsense is browser right now.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Who Dale? Oh, Dale, yeah, he'll do the chant. Hey, Dale, Dale is a company man, they will definitely do the chat. What's up, Struthers? Diamond, diamond, short, short, short. What's up, Tony Williams? Pete Choosing Violets. How do I always get the gun loaded in the day?

Freemasons Story And Hazing Lines

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Freemasons, let me tell you. Did I ever tell you my Freemason story? You was about to. This is kind of R-rated, but I'm gonna tell you it anyway because this is my Freemason story. And when I tell a Mason, they say, Oh, you just got the wrong chapter. I don't care, it's just like running into a uh a bad cop at the gate. You say cops suck, right? All cops suck. So that's why I say all Freemasons are a problem. I ain't gonna say the base I was at, but it was a long time ago. We were there together. Somebody recruited me to go to the Freemasons. They thought I would be a good candidate. Yeah, yeah, for real. So I go there to the first meet, and one of our teammates was the big brother, the the the Don, the daddy war bucks. Big Daddy, all big daddy, almighty. Yeah, yeah, he was one of them. This dude, this dude, we were getting our books, we were standing in line. There was like eight of us. We were standing in line, we were getting our books, they were telling us, you're going for this. So anytime anybody quizzes, you gotta do it. This is how bad it was. If you're in the D fact eating, and I was a young airman, so I eat in D fact, and a free, uh, uh a legit Freemason comes in, it's almost like the mob, like a uh uh a maidman comes in, you have to get up and leave. I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, I think you told me the story, listen. Then, so this is what he does. He tells us all these rules, and some of it I'm okay with. This, like, even if you're in the BX, if you're in the BX and a made Freemason comes in, you gotta leave. Like, what the fuck? What if he comes in my room? I gotta leave. What if he comes in my dormitory? I gotta leave. I wish he would show up to work. Can I leave work? You better leave. Right. He'd show up in your room. So then here's the here's the last thing they did. What's up? Yeah, hey, hey, done. I'm being dead ass. So this is the last thing he did. He grabs ice cream, puts his finger in the ice cream, like the the uh a gallon of ice cream or whatever, puts his finger in it, and he gets a good little swoop off of there, right? And he says, everybody has to take a lick and it has to go all the way down. And he takes the first one and then puts his finger up to somebody's face, and the mother hepper takes a lick. What a lick, one of the ice cream code. I put my books down, I did an about face, and I was out. And then they were like, You Dilla. I don't like ice cream, but then it was like they try to stop me as I'm walking out. If you walk out, you never come back ever again, you'll be kicked out of bases forever. Goodbye. So goodbye. I hope y'all didn't spend a lot of money on them uh paper because y'all just wait. I hope you got an alternate lined up.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

Call an alternate.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Lick your God bless the finger.

SPEAKER_09 22:08

On day one, what the hell's gonna happen on day two? That's how they show you a little commitment, though. Yeah, I'm not committed to that.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

I'm not almighty. D big brother, yo. I'm telling you, man, like I don't mind doing push-up. Like, I see people that were going, that were trying out, that were parts, you know, they would just have to do like push-ups. Like, hey, drop down, give me 10. Like in the middle, and they work with us. Some would be in the on the flight line. Yeah. Like, bro, I thought you were supposed to be doing security. Drop down, give me 10. So stuff like that, I can't get down with the certain things. Thank you, thank you, Dunn. I appreciate the uh you backing me up. Hey, uh, for any Freemasons on here, y'all tell me if that is the right or wrong thing. And y'all have to tell me, y'all just tell me if that's the right or wrong thing. I'm not doing that. Do you want me to do push-ups? You want me to run to my room? You want me to grab a highlighter for you? I do stuff like that because I understand it's a process, right? You go through the uh what they call the initiation.

SPEAKER_07 23:22

That sounds like hazing to me.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

I mean, that's all it is. That's what initiation is, is hazing.

SPEAKER_07 23:27

Well, no, it does, it shouldn't have to be. I know uh I can't speak for all I can't speak for all fraternities and sororities, but it is in some cases illegal for them to haze you. Now it's nothing wrong with them giving you certain tasks, you gotta remember certain information about the sorority fraternity, right? Although you are talking about Freemasons, so but anything, everything you did, if you gotta do something like that, that's hazing.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

Yeah, so I that's why I don't mind if you quiz me if I get it wrong and you make me do push-ups, you know. That's common, that's fine. Uh, but lick your god blessing finger, like, come on, bruh. That sounds like some blood brother stuff back in the day where you cut your hand and man, come on, dog, sweat blood, sweat blood, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Lisa, that's a definition of hazard.

SPEAKER_07 24:21

Yeah, you know, but you know, and and and in all seriousness, though, they shout out to the divine now because them dudes and girls, when they when they are doing stuff, they're doing big stuff, like the alphas. I see them downtown doing stuff for the kiddos and stuff, um, like scholarships and stuff, aka's as well, the Q Dogs, they host like different stuff for the community. So I think you have two dynamics, and this is like I said, this is another topic in the self, people who join fraternities and sororities. I'm all for people who join these things for a sense of belonging and they're active, but there are some people that join because they just want to say they're part of something, and they pay this gotta, and in some cases, they pay this god-awful amount of money just to get in it, just to say they want, and they buy all the gear from Amazon just so they can control that they have it, they ain't doing nothing, all the gear from Amazon, yo.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Royce, you never said what you going to shirt school for. We need to know, and then we so the chat, right? The chiefs don't have a chant, do they?

SPEAKER_07 25:32

No, we don't got no god dang chant. Chief chief, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

I don't know what y'all well, you trying to steal now. I don't know what y'all would say.

SPEAKER_07 25:41

We don't win, we ain't got time for no god dang chant.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Y'all got time to go back to one percent.

SPEAKER_09 25:49

That's all we gotta say. While y'all sit there, diamond, diamond, sharp, sharp, diamond, diamond, diamond, diamond, sharp, sharp, sharp, one percent. I got two.

SPEAKER_07 25:58

I got one percent.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

That should be your chair. One percent. When they so when they call, you know, when they say like in ceremonies, they think like we would think like to thank all commanders, chiefs. Do y'all do like who?

SPEAKER_07 26:12

No, we we don't say most time. Well, uh, when I was in the some chiefs, they'd be like, Cheese, we'd be like, Chiefs. Sometimes we'll do all do here that chief, yeah. Yeah, when I was a command chief, there never fails. As soon as I say, you know, commander, welcome all commanders, chiefs, nothing sure.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Every time, okay, all right.

SPEAKER_07 26:34

We don't do all hey hey hey hey hey hey, what love is when they be like they what I love is they'd be like diamonds of forever.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

You know what? I actually played that Kanye song in my retirement ceremony for a quick sniff this morning. Hey, Royce said, Hey, Royce said, hopefully put up. Let me tell you, Royce. There's no test. Obviously, they don't care about uniform standards, so you ain't got nothing don't worry about all you gotta worry about is showing up every day and not get in trouble in the hotel room.

SPEAKER_09 27:19

Wait a minute, I'm sure it ain't that easy, is it?

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Are you serious? Okay, let me so I haven't been there in a while. I know there's a new com. What's the commandant's name? He's really cool, actually. I don't know. Yeah, uh Fudge. Somebody tell me the shirt, Commandant. There, newly graduated senior and CO Academy Grab.

SPEAKER_07 27:43

And you know what? Put some respect to her name. She was Distinguished Grab. Distinguished Graduate. I didn't win Distinguished Graduate as CNCO. Well, that's obvious, but anyway. Look how I turned out. Hey, give me one.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

What is that? Somebody tells me the shirt uh commandant's name now. I can't black dude, I cannot remember his name. Nico Johnson? Nico Johnson, yeah. Yeah, Nico. See, I say black dude, you know exactly who I'm talking about. Thank you, James. That's all I had to say to describe him. Uh look, so it said that's our short school standard. Yo, Faye died of his DG and sang the national anthem.

SPEAKER_07 28:35

Oh, she sang the national girl. You didn't tell me you was gonna sing the national anthem. Yeah, I didn't even tune in. I gotta find Z V.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Yeah, they got the live. They got the if it's still up there. Interesting. I always like people saying uh short school. So Royce said, let me tell you, all you gotta do is get your bio together, get an LOR together that that's already written, and that's it. And show up every day, and all you're gonna do is run through scenarios, and these scenarios are book scenarios, not real scenarios. So all you gotta do is play along, be the company man. If you want to win the Commandant Award, just be the the you know what? We don't promote leadership, we promote loudership, so just be the loudest one when it's PT, just yell and scream. When it's uh uh time to do something, just be the first one to be like, come on, guys, that's all you gotta say. Let's go, Team Diamonds Hall. Say that a couple times, Commodore. That's it. That shirt school in a nutshell.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

But be careful on the uh be careful on the um what job you pick. They're gonna give you a job. Be careful on that.

Shirt School Value Plus Award Chasing

SPEAKER_06 30:01

Yeah. There we go.

SPEAKER_07 30:04

Just to clarify, are you saying this? Because you know, I'm sure there's some folks when they hear this stuff that we core says that explains it. Um I'm sure some folks out there are probably thinking when we put our own spin or analysis of feelings on what's going on in the Air Force, you know, they might portray us as angry, frustrated, disgruntled former employees, right? Right. And that's not the case. So in this case, you're talking about the shirt. Are you saying this from that perspective, or are you saying this from experience, and that's how you actually feel? And do you have some substance to put behind it to nail it home?

SPEAKER_02 30:44

I think more or less in the latter than the former. So I, of course, I've been through the school. So it's it's almost like you know, there's shady stuff that happens in the NBA, and they just call it politics. You know, there's politics to why people don't get plain time. It's not that they're not good, you know. They we're just saying it. That's really it. But uh, we've all expressed that. I think first sergeant is probably one of the best jobs you can have in the Air Force if you're the right person, if you're the right person, and actually care about people and don't just try to find a parking spot. Don't just want to have a parking spot. It's one of the best jobs you can have. Now, the school, how much can they teach you? It depends on your career field. A lot of it like if you're an intel person and you haven't had like four troops or troops that get in a lot of trouble or haven't seen a lot, haven't had to go through Article 15s, it might be eye-opening to be a shirt to get all that experience. Or if you're a cop or a maintainer, you probably seen it all, done it all. So it's just different, it's just different. So uh Gene Harrison was a shirt, uh excuse me, security forces, so he can speak to it. It's probably easy transition for him. All you gotta do is worry about the culture that you're being embraced into. Like when I was in FSS, their culture is completely different. I'm not used to 90% of the squadron being on uh Monday through Friday, down days, holidays, uh GT during work. All that I'm not, I wasn't used to that, so that's a culture thing I had to learn. But when we're talking about the school, what it's almost like talking about a chief leadership course. I can guess to what happens, and people can point out three or three or four things that were good, but most of it's just showing up. What really can they teach you? There's a bunch of people that guest speak and come out there and talk to you about their experience and what you're gonna do and stuff like that, but it's nothing crazy. Faith, how was the uniform? Did y'all do uniform inspections in senior COA? How to find out? I'll tell you, I haven't seen it yet, but I've been getting a lot of text messages, so we'll see. Uh, the school is like LS, you learn as you learn as your job goes on. There you go. Gene, that is the political way of putting it. Yes. The school is like LS.

SPEAKER_07 33:22

Do you think First Sergeant Academy is necessary?

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_07 33:27

Yeah, and what part would you cut? Or you think it's not necessary?

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Uh Steven Peterson said, for the newly selected mass sergeant, would you recommend trying to get a job at the Pentagon, becoming a first sergeant or stay in the squadron? What's up, Steven? I like your last name too.

SPEAKER_07 33:48

The Pentagon like the plague, if you're a brand new master sergeant.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

What's your what's your um what's your career field? What's your career field? I mean, you got to get a little bit more information, but goodness. Avoid it. Steven, we'll get to your question. I appreciate you asking a question on unpopular celebrities, and I'll leave that for the mostly the chief on here, but I'll give my master and opinion. And uh, but what was your question about? Oh, do you think shirts shirt school is necessary? And what would you take out?

SPEAKER_07 34:16

Yeah, if you said it is necessary, which you did, what would you take out?

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Oh the there's no test, right? So I just really harp on the awards. Like take the awards out. Why? Because it's just it's not a school where you should be gunning for awards, but you get people in there that gun for awards.

SPEAKER_07 34:43

That is a great point because as a first sergeant, you're eliminated for the majority of the school. Exactly. Exactly more if I haven't won in.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

You know, I guess the motivate, I guess they think that motivates people, maybe it does, it's a motivator, but if that is your motivator, you're in for the wrong reasons. Because, like you said, as soon as you leave there, there's one award once a year, and that's it. Other than that, you're promoting people that get awards, so that's where it should be. That's what you should be focused on. Um, let's get to uh Steven. He said he's a cop. Gene Harrison says, Stay in the squadron for sure. Learn your position. Now, just my opinion.

SPEAKER_07 35:26

Okay, my question is or none of it because between Gene and Corey, they nailed it.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Corey said, Go learn how to be the best master on your craft. Uh oh, look, we did have uniform inspection. It was a very uh varied experience depending on your instruct. There it is. There it is. There it is. All right, um, man, a lot of people, Steven, are are are helping you out. Uh, okay, so I understand the pictures now in NCOA, senior NCOA. We be in blues all damn day. If we graduate in the morning, they would look fresher. Now the fit on some have excuses. Now the fit on some have no excuse. Okay, I'm sorry, have no excuse. Uh remove the awards, promoting that fake behavior. Thank you. Uh, all right. Uh, get to the uh Steven. I got a couple more questions for you. Uh, why do you think you want to be a shirt and why the Pentagon? Is it do you want to move to that area? Uh, is it somewhere like families over there? Uh, because not a lot of shirts want to go to the

Pentagon Vs Unit For New MSgts

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Pentagon.

SPEAKER_07 36:41

That's a good question. I mean, he's not, I'm assuming he's not a shirt now. He said a brand new master sergeant.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Yeah, so he's gonna have to do at least a year.

SPEAKER_07 36:49

Yeah, so yeah, a little bit more context will be helpful, but I think figure back off Corey and Gene's comments, you really should stay at the squadron and learn your craft. There's nothing worse, like as a master sergeant, you really cannot uh bullshit your way out of being a master sergeant because a lot of people are gonna be so gonna suffer for that. How many tech sergeants or staff sergeants turn into the next grade without the proper uh mentorship and guidance from a mass sergeant? Master sergeants is like the bridge, that's why they say top three, right? Chiefs are in the top three too. The mass sergeants are the bridge between uh the junior NCO and a senior NCO core. Most master sergeants are flight chiefs in a security forces career field, some kind of operations chief in another career field or something like that, section chief. So your job is not only to manage, you got balance managing and supervising young NCOs. And if you cannot do that if you don't have that experience, okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

He said career progression and understanding the right route to take. Yeah, career progression, you're gonna lose a lot becoming a shirt. If you're talking, I mean, because there's no more career, right? There's no you do it for four years and you go back to I wouldn't say that.

SPEAKER_07 38:11

Anyway, I'm sorry. I didn't go no go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. We're talking about it. I disagree, I disagree with that because I always tell people if you're going to be a shirt, it's best to go early. So you can go back to the squad years and you go back. Okay, right. If you wait and you do it three, four years down the line and you do four and you go back. Now there's a chance that you may because making senior at shirt, and somebody else tell me, I know G made senior as a shirt. Yeah, gotcha. If you were able, how many people you know, and I don't know too many that made senior brand new as a shirt in their first four years as a shirt. I don't know too many. Making shirt and making making shirt senior. Making senior as a shirt is difficult. It's a lot of competition. And what to what Corey said and what Pete said too, part of that is you don't have no access to awards, right? All you get is if you can be the first sergeant president or you win first sergeant of the year, and don't even get me started on that one. Oh, yeah. No, you really that is the one job that you are concentrating on people, not on yourself. Now, although there are some first sergeants I know that should not be first sergeants that concentrate on themselves and to Peace Point want the parking spot, or they want to go pal around with the commander all day and then and and pepper their things for stratification. And let's not even get me started on Stradding first sergeants with senior NCOs. I never was a fan of it.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

But anyway, uh yeah, all right. A couple of things. Uh, shout out Mary Trent gave me that mentorship. Mary's name for me.

SPEAKER_07 39:52

The bully, she's the female gooch.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Uh returning senior NCOs come back to a cop unit who ducked the smoke, struggled. Oh, I get what you're saying. People that go to be a first sergeant just to get out of security force then have to go back. Yeah, they struggle. Yeah, that's very true. I thought I was never going back, never in hell. Uh Tony said, one of the reasons I was glad for admin and personnelists to merge. I knew a few mass sergeants that were admin who sucked at leading. One of my chiefs was like, look at their serve. They only had what is that? A part of CSS?

SPEAKER_07 40:39

Commander support staff.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

No, oh, they only been a part of C Man. I can't read. Uh, they've only been a part of CSS. Worry about development, not promoting. A job at the Pentagon sounds like something an officer has thrown out. Yeah, like the Pentagon's just tough because who are you leading? There's really no real airmen there.

SPEAKER_07 40:58

Well, I mean, there's a purpose for that. The Pentagon is more the strategic level, so don't get me wrong. There is there is some utility to being at the Pentagon. I just feel if you you're you get more bang for the buck as a brand new master sergeant being in the unit, then going shirt, then going Pentagon. In other words, if you were to rank them as a brand new master sergeant, unit, shirt, Pentagon. You don't need a Pentagon right now.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 41:27

Because like if you're gonna be at the Pentagon, depending on job, case in point, let's say you, you know, mass sergeant security forces, and you go to the Pentagon and you work like say A3, how much are you going to be able to provide to A3 if you're a brand new master sergeant? You could give them the perspective as a tech sergeant if you were in like 820 or something and they're working on like deploy combat wing type of stuff, that's still a thing, right? But it's not you want to go to the Pentagon when you have enough knowledge in the field to contribute because the type of stuff you're gonna provide is going to shape the field. And here you are, no one likes someone trying to give stuff down to the to the field and you have no experience because you've never been there, true. You know, so anyway, that would be there.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

You go, yeah. Hopefully, I helped you out, man. But uh, I will always say never close the door on an opportunity. Yeah, so if that's an opportunity that you think is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, which I argue is not, uh, but there is timing, like Chief said, there is timing for this stuff. So if you want it, man, go get it. But there's our perspective and a lot of other people's perspective as well. If you need anything, always reach out. You can always leave us a voicemail as well, uh, and just ask questions or give comments. We always appreciate that. Uh there you go.

SPEAKER_07 42:44

Are

Advice For Brand New Master Sergeants

SPEAKER_07 42:45

we on this? Uh, perfect quick segue, break off the program. Uh, congratulations to all the brand new Mass Sarge. First off, congratulations to you guys entering the top three. I would like to spend uh two minutes. And anybody in the in the uh in the comments, if you want to give your some words of wisdom, you can do so too. But I'd like to share some words of wisdom for the brand new mastersar.

SPEAKER_06 43:13

And action and action? Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 43:17

Yeah, I thought. Oh, okay. I didn't know if you want to go first. All right, so real quick, I'll try to keep it within 30 seconds. Brand new mass serents, congratulations, congratulations. You have reached the top three, the top three percent in the air force. Take time to enjoy this milestone. Most people get to a point when they join the Air Force, they say, My goal is to make Mass Sarge and retire. That's like in most people's mind, a pinnacle. Like make mass starting to retire. Mass Sarge is a respectable uh rank to have when you retire. Please, please, one, take the time out. What's up, Thor? Take the time out to thank your family members and your supervisors and your commanders. Reflect on how you got here to be a mass sergeant. But after all that, time to go to work. Do not be one of the master sergeants that we talk about in circles, as well as you know, first sergeants do it. Talk about these inactive master sergeants that all they do is worry about making senior, getting the next award, worrying about buddying up to the C master sergeant and the chief out there in the top three, but not in their unit.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 44:25

Like your job now is to learn your job. Now you get the challenge of being a manager and a supervisor. So, how your job now is not to just give orders, your job is to manage the ship and give orders at the same time. Not only that, your job is to show what right looks like. So, all you mass sergeants, when y'all go to your senior NCO induction ceremony, do not, I repeat, do not, I repeat, do not. Matter of fact, let me illustrate this point. Do not, I repeat, do not show up at the senior NCO induction ceremony without a mass dress. Don't be that guy because your job is to show what right looks like. That's the price of a mention. You're a mass art now, buy the damn mess dress. Don't be saying, oh, the reg says it's optional. You yours optional, all right. But don't be that guy. Because I'm telling you, it ain't gonna help. And then the last thing I'll leave you with is that now's your time to help somebody else. Help those tech sergeants. I'm telling you those tech sergeants, those staff sergeants, they're in the trenches struggling. Don't forget what it was like being a tech sergeant. Show them what it what right looks like. And uh a lot, this is the last thing. Writing's on the wall. If you look at what's going on, the continuous conflict in Iran, and then obviously the tensions in China and the way this administration is, I'm telling you, if you're not up on your uh your field leadership skills, in other words, how to manage airmen and and help give sage advice to commanders, more importantly, young junior officers like captains, lieutenants, and majors, get your ish right. Cause I'm telling you, when the shit hits the fan and you end up in five, I don't know where, and you've got to be able to lead and help that captain in the field, what they don't want is a man sergeant that says, Yes, yes, yes, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. They want a mass sergeant that's going like, hey sir, respectfully, uh you're effing up. And here's why.

SPEAKER_06 46:33

Please don't be that yes man or yes woman.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

Joe said, be your authentic self, never be who you think people need. They need you.

SPEAKER_07 46:46

Shout out to Joe, shirt, and chief at the same time. Shout out, bro.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Strader said, What's up? Uh, Chris Jones says, Uh, none of that junk matters anyway. Do the work. I'm not sure what he's talking about. Uh, got mine already. He's talking about his mess dress. Uh, what got you here won't keep you there. Tony says, help somebody else. Philly gave a speech in Lackland at my senior C or my E7 release. Thank you. Uh blessing, brothers. I'm going to reach it. All right, peace, peace. Mike drop.

SPEAKER_07 47:24

Yeah, I won't say too much after that, man. Real real quick, I want to plug. Uh Chris has got a wonderful show. Wow, man. I'm sorry, Chris. Do you know about the show, Pete? Nah, Chris Jarrett. He's got like a yeah, he's got like a um, it's kind of like a hybrid podcast slash music show, where man, and when I find it, I'll put it in the chat, but it's real good. What he does is he talks to different people, give different leadership perspectives. And you know how a radio show plays music, and in the middle there's an interlude and they have a message. That's how his is. So it's real dope. So sorry, Chris, but when I find it, I'll drop it in the chat. I thought it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Can you read Faith the Animus thing?

SPEAKER_07 48:02

Faith, the brand new CM Mass Sardin, aka distinguished graduate in the house, says, New Mass Sardins, you are the greenhouse, the culture creator, and changer. Be a thermometer with your airman and not a thermostat. Ooh, you adapt to what they need at their level and help them turn up, not turn up and leave your airmen behind. You represent the top three with the rooftop. It can be lonely, but you're not meant to be in the house anymore. You are the roof, protect, provide, insulate, and be prepared to stand in the know when those things are being compromised. That's pretty good. I like the thermostat, the thermometer thermostat. Big Corey says, like, listen, like you may be wrong, relax. Everyone else is nervous too, but you have to make a move. Nobody cares about selfies. Oh, unless they know you will pull up for the bro. Oh stab. Enough with all the uh just because you take great selfies don't mean you're a great leader. Let me guess, there are some who take selfies for great leaders, don't get me wrong. But some of these young folks out there taking selfies all the time and all that, but they shitty at the office. Not this stuff, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Nah, you get all the all the bang booms and claps for that, man. Because I think people like likership now and they forget about leadership or loudership, is what I like to call it, man. It's just I think faith hit the hit it on the head with a lot of things she said is uh you got to be able to say no and you got to be able to adapt to different people. Uh is we always say it's no longer about you. You can be selfish, you have your time to be selfish, and you'll get opportunities to be selfish. Senior NCO events, senior NCO outings, that's your time to be selfish. But if you haven't trained your technical sergeants or staff sergeants to do your job, you can't take the day off. If you really feel like you have and they can do the job, be selfish, man. Take a day because you're gonna work hard for that day, and people might not see you working hard because they think you're just in the background. How we see a lot of chiefs uh be in the background, not doing stuff, but they work hard. So take your time, take your time. But I think both nails on the head is you don't have to take selfies and oh, this airman said I was great today. Let's take a picture. This airman, I helped this airman out. Let's take a picture. Sometimes, man, you move in silence, man. Not sometimes, I say you move in silence probably 80% of the time. And you know what? When people appreciate you, they'll take a picture of you and put it on their Facebook. You ain't gotta be tagged, you ain't gotta be liked, you ain't gotta repost it. That's when you know you're making accomplishments. Uh, somebody had a question for you.

SPEAKER_07 50:58

Charles Davis. What's

What To Tell People Who Missed

SPEAKER_07 51:00

up, bro? DC, what words did you give to the folks that didn't make it when you spoke to them? So um, Corlin Holloway, aka Corey, he was my old exec when I was in DM, man. Phenomenal dude. Anyone that knows Corey and DM, he was that dude. He was sharp, he was professional, high motor.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 51:23

Oh, high motor, worked for the airfield community, the pilot community. I think he was doing stuff on planes or something. I forgot. He wasn't a pilot, but he was a anyway, tech sergeant, sharp dude. Everybody loved him. But he could not make master. And it it confused all of us because he's such a phenomenal guy. And when he didn't make it, it was two years he didn't make it. And you know, as a leader, we would always get frustrated because we'd be like, yo, the Air Force has got it wrong. How's this guy not making it? And then you hear this other dude name, a girl name, you'd be like, This is bullish. How is this not possible? Yeah, but what I would always tell Corey is like, yo, you know, everybody is not the same, but when I didn't make chief the first time or make senior the first time, and I felt like I was I was so close, I'm saying about like two points or half a point, you know. I give myself, and we said this before, but I give myself like 24 hours. Yeah, I think I get pissed, you know, drank some ginger ale, two, three cans of ginger ale, you know, smart next, whatever, whatever you might be, you might get two, three, four fashions. I just drank a lot of ginger ale, and then the next day I say you go to work. So I told Corey for people who who doesn't make it, who don't make it, it's not an indictment on how good or bad you are as a as a tech sergeant. There's so many factors involved. But one thing you gotta look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself is did you do everything possible to get over that get over that gate? And if you had and if you say you did, then you need to do you're gonna have to do more. Because no one likes to hear, oh, let me look at your records. Man, here's why you didn't make it because you're missing the MSM on top. Or you're you're um you didn't go to an overseas base. No one really can tell you definitively why you didn't make it because you know why? It's too much human element involved. You know, one year I and then the worst part, you when people say, Well, I don't understand I didn't make it, Chief. Last year I had a 397, I missed a by two. This year I had a 367, I dropped 20 points. There's nothing I can tell you definitively why you dropped. It's just a different board, different expectations, different competition. You just don't know. But I always tell them one, don't lose who you are. Don't try to be like the person who made it. Be who you are. Not only that, remember why you want to get promoted. If you want to get promoted because you try to make a difference and you try to make a better way for your family, and you want to have opportunities to move the needle, have more influence, then find ways to do that. If you're not involved in communities where you can help other NCOs, then do it. If you're not involved in something where it's making you a better leader, and obviously, I mean, one of the reasons like education or professional military education, not to do it because you think it's going to increase your board score. Do it because you're preparing for the next grade. Anyway, I'll ramble on all day, but that's what I'm gonna tell people.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

There you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

All right, where are we at next? Knock out the last

Chant Fails And The School Daze Clip

SPEAKER_02 54:55

star.

SPEAKER_07 54:56

Did we finish the first Sargent Chant thing? Um I don't want you, you don't have to go down that road, man. It's not even worth it. I'll just I'll let you put a bow on that one. No, what are we about to say? I just think the chant probably would be better for me if it wasn't it was done by people who know how to actually, I don't know how the chant goes, but I've seen good and bad chants.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Oh well, I seen the worst one a couple weeks ago. In my opinion, yeah. One, I you're right. I seen the worst one I seen ever, and is by somebody who just wants to get likes and put it on their video, and they messed it up and still put it on their video. Like, what are you doing? Like, don't put something out there, like if you're live, like we're live, we're gonna mess things up. You can't do anything about that, but there's a recording video, and you messed it up, bro. It's like three different words, and you just repeat them over and over. Like, what the f are you doing? Like, it's just don't mess. It's like messing up the national anthem. Don't be the singer. Hey that is it's just so disappointing. I know the person in his bad, and they probably feel a certain type of way, but they'll never say it. It would make me feel better if you would have posted your video and be like, I really messed this one up. I post everything, so I'm gonna post my good and my bad. Here was a bad moment by me, and it's for somebody's retirement. Bro, you know how mad I'll be at my retirement. You want to do the first art in chat and you mess it up.

SPEAKER_06 56:50

Bro, like, and you a senior mass art. Just horrible, horrible.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

The chant itself, I wish they would admit that they didn't come up with it, that it was a knockoff of school days. Probably most people haven't seen school days, but it's a knockoff on school days, like Royster says, I feel the I feel the pain in Pete's voice, bro. It's so bad because I know what you're about. If you're about that posting everything, and that's who you are, don't mess it up. You have the right to not post things, do that. It it's just so disappointing, man. I don't like the chant altogether. I try not to say it at all. I'll stand up because they all say all shirts stand up. I'll stand up, but I dang sure I'm not gonna if I don't have to, I'm not gonna say it. Or if I do, I'm just gonna say it in my regular voice. I'm not gonna scream at the top of my lungs because that's unnecessary. And the chant has nothing to do with being a shirt. One sharp rock has nothing to do with being a shirt. I was saying a rock is a diamond. I don't know. I I I I really don't. He said, What's the chant for real? I would rather play the chant than tell y'all the chant, but when people do it, they scream at the top of their lungs, and I'm like, it's a chant, bruh. It's cool for other people to be loud, but for you to be loud, like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_07 58:32

So, in other words, the person who's leading the chant should be louder than no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Person leading chance should be regular, the other people should be louder than the group. Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_07 58:44

It's almost like singing cadence, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 58:47

It's like when you're when you're leading the Air Force song and you're the loudest one. But no, it's different. No, no, no, yeah, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

All right, got it, got it, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

But yeah, so uh Struthers, if you really want, I will play a video of somebody doing the one sharp rock chant. You should do it, but before you do, so irritating.

SPEAKER_07 59:10

Um, I got I got the name of Chris Jones Podcast, um, show podcast. So it's called so it's called Resilient Voices. Okay, and then the sessions titles, the session titles will drop the day before, as it's live or pre-recorded, Wednesdays, every Wednesdays between 7 and 8 p.m. Eastern time. So it's called Resilient Voices from my man Chris Jones. Great show. He offers like words of wisdom. He has guests on there that talks about resilient stories. Chris has got one of those, he's got that. Uh anybody, I'm sure my age, anybody watch WKRP in Cincinnati? It's an old show back in the day about uh radio shows like a comedy. Chris has got one of those Venus flytrap voices, you know. It's really deep, you know, blah blah blah. So I'm sure the ladies would like it. So anyway, uh Wednesday 7-8.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

So Roycer, what made it fire? Serious question. I'm gonna play it because everybody, I guess people want to see it. I'm gonna play it, I'm gonna find it and play it. Let me give me a second. But what made it fire? That's what I need to know.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:18

I think for me, the thing that I appreciate it is when you have the old diamonds get up there who's retired and do it, and they stand in formation and all that stuff. To me, that's the best part. The chant, not so much, because it's no different when the chiefs do retirements. We do the passing of the statue, the the trails. That's cool. I've always heard people the only thing I don't like about us is that we take too long and we're old and take us a while. Yeah, but it's cool seeing a whole line of retired chiefs up there doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

Okay, so here's one at uh let me uh make sure I get this set up. Here's one at uh where is this at AFSA? It's at AFSA, and it's out in the middle. You know how they have the die or the shirt. Um uh worldwide. I think it's called worldwide, where all the diamonds get to AFSA and they could go and do worldwide. So it was at worldwide. I think it was when we were there, um, but we weren't, I wasn't a shirt at the time. Uh, so this is it. Hopefully, you can hear it. Let me know if you could hear it, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

When I see diamonds, can you hear it?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Yeah, all right, good. All right, so here it is, and this is somebody being fired up. Yeah, is that this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about. I don't even know who this guy is. I can't see his rank or his name. I have no idea, but obviously he's a chief or a senior. I think that's uh Manny, right? In the background.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:48

I can't tell.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Nah, I don't look like him. Uh I don't know. But anyway, here you go. Here you go. It's up the whole way. Here you go.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:27

Yo, I wish we could play the school days, Joy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

But I did I'm gonna play the school days cause uh we're gonna get we're gonna get banned for this, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

Gamma Gamma Gamma Gamma.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:44

Gamma Gamma Gamma Gamma. Sharp, sharp, sharp, sharp.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Uh, let's see, I'll read the comments.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:54

It's not school days. What is it?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:56

School days. It's with Larry's Lawrence Fishburn in it. Yeah. Toby says he was the AETC command chief. He said, Chief Taylor, he's my command chief right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Cool, go for it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:09

What's his first name? I don't know if I know him. It's not Nicholas, is it? No, because Nicholas is blind.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Where is it at? Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:31

There you go. All right. We're probably gonna get banned for this, but here y'all go.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:36

Now get here you go, here you go. This is this is why I get so irritated about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

I I don't even play no more. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. We should, we should.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:20

True Hollywood stories. You heard it hurt first year fucking school. You feel a Popless Lemon.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Yeah, P U I. I've been dead, I'm dead. Look, Royston, when you go there, you can tell people, you can tell people.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:36

Don't tell people, Royston. When you get there, show them, hey, what we're missing is the dance. Let me show y'all. Show them the video. They'd be like, hey, that sounds just like our song. Well, it is your song. You just changed the words.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

Pete, I almost messed up my marriage. It's a funny thing. That's why I get so frustrated. It's like I don't understand what there is to be hype about that. I'm not a shirt hater. Like I said, I think is my best, one of my best jobs. I mean, military working dog is definitely the best job, but shirt is right behind that.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:13

Ah, debatable.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:14

But debatable, we don't need a chant. We don't need a chant.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Perfect balls. I'll just say, uh, yep, these be those first hearts.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

Hey, Charmin, we ain't lying, and they get some hype with that. Well, I say nothing, you say, right? Shut up. Shut up. That's that's what I want to say, man. Shut that has nothing to do with your job whatsoever. If it had something to do with our job, I would be cool with it. It has nothing to do with. Our job at all. What does one sharp rock have? I'm trying to think of what Chiefs would say.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:09

We would say nothing. We would be just like y'all say three roofs on top. No, we'd be like one percent. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:17

We would say we got shit to do. I would just, I would, you know what, when they say we like thank all commanders, chiefs, one percent. That's what I would like. I would be hyped off that. Top hype. Yeah, I would be hyped off that. One percent, holler. Holler. Yeah. Holler. Yeah. Oh man. But anyway, that's there. Y'all go with the one sharp rock whore. What's the point of the whole at the end? Shirts don't say whore. Oh, apparently they do. We don't ever say whore. 80% of the shirts just don't want to be in the career field no more, which is respectful. I was in that 80%ile. Is that wrong? No. No, I don't think so either. Yeah. If you want to be a military working dog, because you don't want to be a cop on the gate no more, and you don't think you can get off. Do your thing. All right, Faith. Congratulations again. Peace. Uh, but yeah, so I just wish you were minute. I would tell all the shirts, would you become a diamond for when we used to have a guy? When we used to have the shirt symposium, and all the tax artists be there, and they be like, What did y'all become diamonds for? I'd be the only one. I just didn't want to be a cop no more.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

Everybody else, the people. I want to help people from the inside. You can do that as a mental song.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:45

You know what you like? You remind me of that skit on the Kanye West Cow's dropout. Why don't you sing something so so the kids can be motivated?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:55

Kanye, and you sing that drug song, that's you. Yeah. What the duck are you doing, Sean Peterson? We wanted you to be hype and excited about being first sergeant.

Why First Sergeant Is Still Best

SPEAKER_08 1:08:05

You only want to do it to get out of the K9 career field.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:13

Pete got big feelings about this. I'm so tickled. Yo, I'm being serious.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

Um, Pete, you can get the best job in your time. No, no, no. First sergeant will always be the best job. I've never been in a job where I can help more people or heard more stories where I can have input. I've always said that.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:32

I will admit that. Yeah, the best job to have is being a first sergeant. I just wish they would make some tweaks to it to make it the most apologies. It is the best job, but it could be better. I mean, any job could be better. But there's some things about first sergeants I wish they would tweak to make it even better because I think, as we mentioned earlier, first sergeants, y'all have to give up a lot to do your job. And I've seen some really good first sergeants who I feel like they should have been promoted, but they weren't.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

And I'll say, like, I didn't mind carrying around two phones, I didn't mind the early morning phone calls or late night phone calls or midday phone calls. I don't want to everybody say, Oh, I get calls at two o'clock in the morning. No, you don't. No, you don't. They happen, but not all the damn time. You get calls at 10 o'clock in the morning, too, and 12 o'clock in the afternoon. So stop it. Uh, number two is I can say I just want to be in my career out of my career field and still be a good first sergeant. I don't have to say it's not an effing job interview when you ask me why I want to be a shirt. Now, if I'm talking to the command chief and I'm doing my command chief interview with why I want to be a shirt, I'm gonna be the company man and do a job interview and say, I want to be a shirt to help people. I want to be a shirt because I think it's the best. I always inspired to be a shirt.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

It's the best job in the world. I couldn't wait to be a shirt.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:04

Man, putting that diamond on is so respectful. I like walking down and people saying, Hello, shirt. Mother effers don't even know my name anymore. They just call me shirt. It's probably like Chiefs, they just call you Chief. So you lose a little bit of that. What I like that when people say, Oh man, you saw him Peterson. That's what I appreciate.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:27

You know what? Honestly, I didn't. I I disagree. I um I I look at it as it's almost like, and I'm not saying being a chief is the same as being a doctor. I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is I'm kind of doing analogy comparison. Like it just it feels good to hear, because like it's an achievement. Not everybody gets to be a shirt. You know what I mean? Like when you retire as a senior, when people know you, they call you senior, but I would argue most people would know a shirt more than they would know a senior. Right, the closest would be a chief. Your chief, you you meet a whole bunch of people. But as a shirt, technically a shirt, in other words, put it this way when you retire, your ID card says master sergeant Peterson, retire, right? True. Mine says chief master sergeant counsel. But the correct term for a chief master sergeant counsel is Sir, Chief Master Sergeant, or Chief. For a master is master sergeant or sergeant, right? But when people know you, they're gonna call you shirt. That's true. Because they knew you were a shirt. That's true. When you put your uniform back on for a ceremony, you technically put on the diamond. True. That's how you retired. True. So I think it's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

Uh Amber said, I think some folks use shirt as a copy or cop out for addressing things or helping at the frontline supervisors or for flight chief superintendent level. So I can imagine it's unnecessary taxing for some aspects. Uh, it is, it is. But I think when you do it for the right reasons, I there aren't a lot of people that can be shirts. I'll be honest, there's not a lot. Uh, but when you get a good shirt, like there's a dude that comes on here, Terrell Ferrar is a phenomenal shirt. Phenomenal. I I thought he was just a BSer, and I saw that dude in action putting on the shirt hat, and I said, Oh, like there's levels to this game. But he did it for four years. I was like, There's levels to this game. I told everybody what the last next shirt mean. I'll be like, yo, there's levels that I did not think I was, I thought I knew it, but now I know there's levels to this. I do not have everything to be successful. I will say one of the great things about being a shirt, and I and I'll get off the shirt thing, shirt tanned. You are involved with people who will help you. So if I need something from the med group, I can call the med group shirt one stop shot. When I need something from OSS, when I my AC is out in the building, I can call the CE shirt, and you know, almost like a chief, right? You call the same thing, not not probably can get it fixed that quickly. But what shirts can do is get down there to the airman level, get down there to the mass aren't level, get down there to the tactical level, and could tell them, hey, sergeant whatever, Michaels, and they'd be like, What's up, shirt? What you need? Hey, there's somebody, blah blah blah. Can y'all help me out? Yeah, and they would love to do it. When she's asking you, it almost sounds like they're asking you for a task, like you better, or else. When a shirt asks you, it's more or less, can you do me a favor?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:40

That's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:46

Uh, they should use the influence to be good. Most shirts do, most shirts do. They'll call somebody and help them out. I can't tell you how many times I've went down to uh FSS and say, Can you help one of these people out? They're running late, they're behind, they need their ID card after hours. And most of the time it's not uh a chief calling me, it's a fellow shirt that says they're airmen. It's funny when a chief does it, they usually do it for themselves, fuckers.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:14

Okay, no, all right, now all right, now I was gonna say now you you bugging, you wildin' right now, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

But cheese doesn't do bugging you.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:23

Don't you hate us because you ain't us. Now you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

We do it to help you, we do it to help other people, y'all do it for yourselves.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:32

First of all, you can't speak on cheese because you've never been one, but I see never been no first sergeant, but I showed a whole shit low load of okay. I seen a whole lot forget you. There we go. And Sharma, you jump in when you need to, or Corey. We own y'all, we manage y'all, and you know what I'm saying? Yeah, move y'all. So I know the first sergeant AFI, I know it, I know it. So I can speak from that perspective. Never been a diamond, but I know how y'all move. Oh, now, first off, now to that point, you don't know what Chiefs be doing, just like they're bad Chiefs to know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

You can't say that, but you assumed. I I have seen I have seen other chiefs calling for favors for themselves, like who? And not uh Jason Jason Schaefer, the big shirts doing it. Oh, yeah, we do. I've done it before. I've done it before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've called just as many people to help other people as I did to help myself.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:32

But you don't think other chiefs do it like Jerry say you better stop. You don't think other you don't think other chiefs, you don't think uh chiefs call people to help themselves to help other people too? Yeah, you didn't say that. They do sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:52

Which one is Charles Barkley? Yeah, for real. For real. No, I think some chiefs do, but most chiefs call for them damn selves. There you go again. Most. How do you define most? If there's three of them, two of them will do it for themselves, one person will do it for somebody else.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:10

Mathematically, it doesn't sound 75. That's 75. But that's still not most. If you're talking about over 51 arguing most, you're talking about on the larger scale.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

So if there's a hundred of them, 75 will do it for themselves. 25 will do it for other people. I seen if I know 30 chiefs, 20 of them do it for themselves. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:39

I'm not gonna name, I know 20.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:41

Who doesn't know 20 chiefs?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:45

Knowing their names, that's different.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

No one knows all their names, huh? I know all their names, but do you know them? Peach, you was gonna you was going and then DC's eyebrows. Do I know my man?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:00

I gotta trick the view sometimes, man. He be he be reckless, man. I'm just saying, reckless, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:07

I just want to state my opinion. Chiefs do it for themselves, shirts do it for other people.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:13

I would appreciate it, and we can move on if you would say some some don't say chief, say some chief.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Some, some sorry, charmer. Thank you. Some sorry, Philly.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:24

So you know, people, you know, and I mean I'm gonna go on my my um.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

And I'm the one who say shirts do just be shirts just to get a damn parking spot. Huh? I I'm the one who says shirts just become shirts just to get a damn parking spot. Some shirts, yes, some shirts. All right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:44

I was gonna go on a rant, but I'm not. I think everybody gets mine just of it. Chiefs sometimes um Corey says Shaq got a ring. Chief oh the dot.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:05

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

Yeah, anyway. We got something that you don't got, Charles.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

That's actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

That's actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:15

I love that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

Hey, Corey, big Corey, you got on the shirts, nigga's in the chiefs. Tell us who you're not mad at. I'm not mad at he was helped most people without them even knowing. True, true, true, that's true, strong.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:34

Like Drew in my in my career, even when I wasn't a chief, I will name a couple that I can think of. Jody Butler, uh Tony Johnson, um, let's see, Jody Butler, Tony Johnson, Eliza Cruz, Chief Gregory Jordan, Chief Ellen Jones. Those are the chiefs when I quickly think of that they worked so much stuff behind the scenes to help people, and they've helped me. I would not have been here without them. You know what I mean? And then there's some chiefs, I won't mention their names to protect the innocent, just like some that abuse their power. And we didn't talk about this on the show yet. I would like to. When there was that comment on the Airman NCO paces, command chief, stop sleeping with your execs. That's another story. Now, I'm not gonna mention any names, I'll just say command chiefs that are doing that or taking advantage of junior members and doing that, they wrong. I don't care about if you were in love or you can't define love by rank as bullish. Tony Williams, I'm sorry, pretty Tony, as you call him. Yeah, as we call him.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:44

Thomas said Pete is the definition of telling me you're a hater without telling me you're a hater.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

Tell him I said that anyway, but yeah, uh Divine Nine. Oh my god. No, I'm not. Y'all really think I'll be mad. I'm not really that bad. I just think there's a lot of things that happen that people don't talk about, and I just be the one to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:11

That is the one to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:13

That is true. I do appreciate what Chiefs do. Let me let me I'm not trying to backtrack no people say Pete trying to backtrack that. No, I'm not. I still say it on what I said, but there are a lot of chiefs that will help people out behind the scenes, and the good ones you will never know that they did. They just get things done, and nobody even knows how they did it.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:34

You be a few, you will know not by them telling you because other people tell you. It's almost like legends, yeah. Like, um, you know, Kalif Rye is a good example, even before he was Chief Master Force. This dude in circles, people will whisper his name, all the stuff that he did for people. You know what I'm saying? I I would argue even Joanne Bass, too. She's done some great things for people behind the scenes and stuff like that. Yeah, they don't they don't you never hear them say it to me. If you're a chief and you're telling people because what I did, they was able to do this, because of what I did, they got these orders, you're part of the problem. You're wrong. There are some chiefs like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:15

No, I'm not wearing black forces today. That's funny. Uh

Do We Even Need Shirts

SPEAKER_02 1:21:20

hey, Jerry said if big if what what am I am I not reading that right? Uh who is it? Oh, Jerry.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:28

Yeah, if big if supervisors did their jobs. Oh, we would we need shirts. What's a shirt problem always? What's a shirt problem anyway, since you want to come after Chiefs Pete.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:40

Jerry, you're so right. We wouldn't need shirts. What's up, brother? We wouldn't need shirts at all. We would be uh a a formality, we would just be a commander's advisor. That would be our only and that's what a chief is. So, yes, we would not be, we would not be needed at all. But but supervisors don't do their jobs, so you need them.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:03

Somebody check and see if people are what does that say about our service? Because we're the only service to have a job and was first sergeants, all they do is take care of people, right? Would you argue that the army and the marines and the navy would have some equivalent, especially since the army has the largest force in all of the armed forces? We say they don't have a dedicated first sergeant, we said that all the time, sergeant, but it's not in that capacity.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

Yep, we say that all the time, and most of the time, because you know the first sergeant in the army is the leader of the formation, the leader of it, and you see that when a sergeant major usually leads the formation, where most chiefs they just sit off in the background when a formation they let mass arms do it, which is fine too. You know, it's just different. I'm not saying anything wrong with it, it's just different, but that's really why. Uh, but I do agree with Jerry 100%. We wouldn't need shirts. There's no reason why you need a shirt. Now, do we have access to things? But chiefs have access to it too. So it's no different as far as a supervisor can like I had times where troops would come to me and I'd be like, Where's your supervisor at? Or the supervisor would come to me with the troop with a supervisory issue and asking me. And I'm like, What the heck? Like, hey, I need help with this lor. What is it? What? Like, come on, big dog. Or hey, can you double check this and make sure I'm not now? If you're making making sure, hey, I need you to double check this to make sure I'm not being biased or you know being uh seen a certain type of way with rightness, that's fine. Fact check, but you can get your other supervisor peers to look at it too. It doesn't like just because a shirt looks at it doesn't mean it's omnisdoms. So, yes, Jerry, I 100% agree. I will say that we don't need shirts, but we do need chiefs. I will say that. Put me on record by saying that.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:10

Hey, I want to I want to give a shout out Corey's uh comment because I do agree with him. He said, We need the peace of the world, though, forces accountability. So I will give you your flowers. Oh, thank you. Even though you reckless, you be reckless sometimes, but sometimes you need somebody to ask the why, even if it's just like, how dare you, and then eventually somebody, all you need is one person to say, maybe he's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:38

That's it. Somebody, you know what I'm saying? It's like winning the lottery, you only gotta win it once, you can lose it 25,000 times, but you just gotta win it once.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:48

Yeah, okay. Can we shift gears

Meet And Greets And Man Law

SPEAKER_07 1:24:50

now? Sure, yeah, yeah. I was at with my bride, we were looking good too, I might say. But we were at the uh Marlon Wayne comedy show because you know Marlon Wayans is having his premiere of scary movie that came out younger. Scary movie 12, or which one is it? I'm sure Wendy wouldn't like you hearing you say that. Which one is it? Or something like that. Jesus, like Fast and the Furious, which is big because the last couple of scary movies, the Wayans weren't in it, and they produced this one, so that's why this is big, right? And even though Rotten Tomatoes only gave it like a 20% score, yeah, it's set to break like records they made like a hundred million in one year, one day, or something like that. So people are going to see it. But anyway, here's my real question. We're at a comedy show, Marlowe Wayne says, Hey, uh, I'm gonna have a meet and greet afterwards for this amount of money, you can come up, get a free scary movie t-shirt, I will autograph it, right? Which is cool because, like, all right, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, we always go up and do what Wendy does, right? So here's the thing that shocked me, and I want to ask your opinion. Well, two questions. You paid the money? Yeah, I paid the money. Okay, all right, yeah. Two questions. One, is there a celebrity that if you met, you would not geek out on, but you would go and meet them in person and take a picture of them?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:13

There's only one and he's dead.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:16

Okay. Who's that?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:18

Kobe.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:19

Okay, facts. All right, all right, facts. And my second question, and y'all feel free to put in the comments what y'all think. Is there a celebrity out there that if you met that you know, if you got a chance to meet him, would you go up there and meet him and take a selfie or take a picture with him and pay it? All right, here's the other one. If what do you think about a dude going up on stage to see another dude and you're letting the celebrity sign the t-shirt on your back? In other words, they want you, they're gonna sign your t-shirt. Right, right. And you turn around, he signs it on your back. What do you think about that? That's fine. No, man, that's a man law, bro. You you want me to turn my back to you and you sign something on my back? That's what he's doing, man. No, bro. That's what he's doing. No, think about it. Like, first of all, Eddie Murphy, there is only I can only think of maybe one or two people in my lifetime, maybe five, that was a male that they said, hey, come up and meet him. Because like I remember when I met President Obama the first time when I was Andrew. I was like, hey, yeah, I was like, hey, he's like, Council, how you doing there? I said, I'm doing fine, sir. Mr. President, they're good. I said, Hey, I got this basketball here. Well, I can't sign it for you, counselor. You know, I'm kind of in a rush. I know, but it's for this little kid. He said, I can't sign it, but I'll throw him a pass. I said, Okay, I gave him the ball and he chess passed the kid. Okay. Second time I met him when he was coming off the jet in Andrews. Same thing. I mean, I got my name tape on, but I'm thinking he remembers me. Council's good to see you again. How's your day going? I said, I'm doing good, Mr. President. I said, Mr. President, you're doing a good job. Counselor, that means a lot to me. I appreciate it. But I never thought about like getting an autograph.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:10

No. And there's been celebrities I've met that I don't like. Didn't geek out on him. I'm just naming celebrities. Charles Barkley didn't geek out. Let me think of uh another one. Uh I can't think of anybody off the top of my head. There's been a bunch of WNBA stars I met, never geek out. Never. Like there'd be only one. Kobe is the only one that I would really have butterflies to go meet. There've been a lot of celebrities that I said what's up to. I'll just dap them up. Hey, what's up, big dog? Good game. Good luck this season. Good job. I met Michael Vick, didn't geek out. Peite Manning. He signed an autograph for somebody else. Didn't geek out. There's not a lot of celebrities that could really take me there. Even like, I'm trying to think of like who is the top, top, top. And I can't think of anybody that would just be like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm reading meeting this person. And I really don't get how people get like that over people. I would get like that over Kobe. I definitely would. Why? I would, huh?

SPEAKER_09 1:29:34

Why?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:35

I think he's influenced me so much of who I am. And I could watch Kobe videos all day because of what they call the Mamba mentality or his mentality. Yeah, I don't geek out under that name, but I just like his work ethic. That's all I'll say. I I admire him. I admire his work ethic. And that's why I would geek out. Uh Elon Musk, I wouldn't geek out, but I would love to talk to him. I would love to talk to Elon for a couple minutes. Tim Cook, I know he's not involved no more. I would love to talk to him for a few minutes. So there are people I would love to talk to. Jay-Z, somebody I would love to talk to, but I wouldn't geek out over meeting him. I would not pay extra money to go meet them. I would not do a meet and greet VIP thing. Never, never, never.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:25

But you would do it for Kobe.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:26

Oh, Kobe, I I probably drop 5,000. Oh, hell no. I was gonna run up and take a selfie a year. No, if I if I if I was dropping 5,000, I want 10 minutes with you to have a conversation one-on-one, uninterrupted. I would do a thousand just for a meet and greet. Just shake your hand and get something signed. And that would be something I wouldn't do profit for. That would be something to keep from me forever.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:56

I look at it as maybe part of it is I wonder, like some people subscribe to you never want to meet your heroes, you know. Because then you might be disappointed, you know. Um if I met Yassine, if I had a chance to meet Yassine Bay, I would do it. I would, I would pay to go. He's like my favorite like artist. Love Yassine, man. Just like a lot of my a lot of the things, uh, the things I do, it just it kind of mirrors his. I mean, we're both Sagittarius, too. I just like his his his um artistic spirituality is pretty cool. Yeah, um, Black Thought with Love to Me, Black Thought. I met him one time at a concert, and even then I was like, man, all right, something right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:44

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:45

You know what I mean? But when I think about it, like, yo, I should have got my album autograph. He's always been one of my favorite MCs.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:51

I just never think of things for profit reasons. Like, I would never show up to somewhere, like, you know, people go to WWE events and get their belt signed by John Cena if he's still wrestling or whoever.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:01

I'm never, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

I've never thinking like, oh, I'm gonna resell this for profit. If I'm doing it, it's doing it for myself or I don't want it. Like I met Donovan Mitchell, we took a selfie together, but it was in a VIP area that kind of it was like 20 of us, so it's like, all right, uh Devin Booker, uh Dylan Brooks, uh Robert Ory, Dwight Howard, yeah, Sean Marion. Never want a picture, but I'm just I'm just not like that. I it it takes a lot for me. Like, I mean, you had it happen when people come up to you be like, Oh, aren't you on that podcast? And I don't geek out for that.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:44

I'm like, yeah. I mean, it's kind of don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna take away from some people. For some people, it is kind of cool. Here's a good example, real quick. Here's a good example. I'm on this, uh I told you I was on this YouTube show. I watch every week with Foulfail. It's pretty fun. It's like a video game joint. But this dude named D Thomas, everybody watches the dude, pretty cool dude. But there's some people, and this is actually another question I'll post to you too. There's this one guy who's on the show, and he uh I guess lives in the same city as D Thomas. And he actually got on his Facebook or his DM said, Hey, would you like to sit and meet for lunch or whatever? I would love to talk to you, whatever. And he's D Thomas is like, yo, I don't talk to people online in person or whatever, right? And this dude was so devastated. So anyway, we were we had the same interest. I was getting him to convince him to buy a Neo Geo, like a new Neo Geo system that came out. And so everybody knows me on there as Philly DC, right? But anyway, so out of the blue, this guy just uh accidentally does a video chat with me on Instagram. And my first instinct is like, why is this dude calling me, right? Right, right. But I answered it. And it was weird because, like, you know how you about to you push your button and you're waiting for the worst, like you to come on the screen looking like some evil person. I'm going to kill you. He was just like some middle-aged white guy, kind of chubby, living with his parents. And he was talking about like his parents was gonna buy him

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SPEAKER_07 1:34:20

this new video game system, whatever. We talked for like 30-40 minutes. But what I got from that is for him, it was so it was so important to connect with somebody he talks to every time on the internet because he doesn't have a lot of friends, whatever. So for you, if someone contacted you and says, Hey Pete, I watch your show all the time, one of your biggest fans. I'm in the same city as you. You mind meeting me for lunch? Would you meet him for lunch?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:48

It a lot would depend on you know, when, where, you know, if my I don't want to say like I have a busy schedule, but if my schedule could fit, yeah, I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:56

You wouldn't be concerned about you've never met this person before or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:59

That's that stuff does not phase me at all, to be honest. So it's now if I was on a bigger level, like LeBron or something like that, heck no, right? But maybe on small scale, like you know, people be say, I mean, I'm sure people say to you all the time, like, hey, I saw you on the show. I like what you said about this, this, this, this, you know, or uh hey, I appreciate you know what you say about this, this, this, this. And that's cool. So one of them be like, Hey, can I sit down and talk to you for a minute? Sure, sure. But you're right, if I'm on a different level, I can't do that for everybody, right? So you can't, you know, you gotta be real picky and choosy who you say yes to. I damn sure would never charge nobody.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:42

I'm never, I would think, well, I'll never be that big now. If you want to do an interview, then yeah, but if you just want to talk, man, come on. Like, I I and I think that's how I am with celebrities. Like, I'm respectful of who they are and their time. And when they get bum rushed by 20 people, I'm the type to walk the other way. I'm like, bro, I I get it. I don't get it, but I could understand. Like, nah, not much. Be respectful of your time and your space or whatever. And if you come up to me, I'll dab you up, say what's up. And if it leads to a conversation, cool. But I'll just be like, good luck on the season, good luck on the game, you know. Hey, appreciate we for what you do. If they just say thanks and keep it pushing, I'll keep it pushing. But if they stop and be like, bro, what's your name? I'll talk, I'll have a conversation, but I'm never gonna be like, hey, can you sign this for me? I might say, can we take a picture if we really have a conversation? Like, I'll be honest, me and Nick Cannon had a great conversation.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:44

It's like y'all talking about uh protection because that didn't work out well.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:50

You know what? He went this when he I think you were there when he went to Germany. He went to Germany for uh the celebrity game. Yeah, I forgot about it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:58

That was a fun time, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:00

So we got to talk in the back for like uh five or ten. I really picked his brain about how to be an entrepreneur. That's really what we talked about, which was very, but he was like a lot of his money was like on movies, and then he did the entrepreneur, so he had that buffer where he could fail. So I thought that was that was amazing, and then he started talking. That's when he's but uh when when Wild It Out first came out, so he's talking about that and how that's going, and then he's uh I think he has a little production company, Incredible or something like that, uh Nick Credible or whatever it's called. So he's talking, yeah. He was talking about that, so you know, and then to see everything come about, it's like wow, it's pretty amazing, but yeah, to answer your question, Kobe Bryant, it will never happen, would be the only person. Dunn said Dion Sanders.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:54

There's no way I'm letting some dude sign my t-shirt on my back, not even Kobe. No, not one person. I'm a look, I'm a man, Michael Jordan. No, you're gonna sign it on this wall, or you I'm gonna put it the t-shirt in my hand, and you sign it that way, but I'm not gonna turn around and put it, let you put it on my back.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

No, no, I guess I understand that.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:18

Man, law man.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:20

I can't believe you paid money for your gal to go meet Marlon Wayne. Gotta make dreams happen for my gal. Is that a comedian? That's a the thing, that's where I go left. Is if it's her favorite comedian, she would only do that for him. I'm good with it. But if you want to do that for every comedian, okay, all right, I'm good with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:39

One thing about Wendy is she don't geek out on anybody. If she's a scorpion about Marlon Wayans, yeah, she's a scorpion. Yeah, but if somebody like if it's somebody like she's been a fan of the Wayans for the longest time, she's a big fan, and we've I think this is her fourth or fifth time we've seen him in in uh in as a comedy show, yeah, right? Comedy show, yeah, and she won't do that for anybody, yeah. Like she's very selective, but when he comes, she always supports him. Yeah, and so yeah, I'll pay the money to have her go up there and get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:12

I respect that.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:13

I'm not gonna go up there because it's like you know, I'm not gonna sit here and portray you, like, oh, you're my favorite. No, I mean you're not, but I respect it. And not gonna take away your wife's experience either.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:22

Yeah, yeah, that's her moment, you know what I'm saying? So I'm good with that, you know. And that's like me. If I met Kobe, nobody else better be there either. Take away my damn moment, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:32

And so, you know, if if uh you know Scarlet Hollyberry and Tra Moses show up, I would like to have my moment too.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:41

And see, I don't geek out over it. There's not one female I would geek out over. I won't say geek out, say give me a picture, you know. Even though I love Citron, I love Citron, but oh the basketball player, yeah. I won't geek out, but I love Washington, Washington Mystics. I love Citron. Boy, I love Citron. If she's watching this, I love you, or are you talking about all the above? All the above. I love Citron. Okay, yeah, you do. Yeah, Soji Citron.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:21

Okay, I want Sonia Citron.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:23

Oh, yeah, I call her Soji because she makes you drunk, she's gonna make you drunk easy. I'm just drunk, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:33

That might not be a good picture of her.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:35

It don't matter. I just love how she played, she looked good to me. Like she's her personality. I love. I just love these sisters. What happened to uh Nanisku? Anisku, I don't like her anymore because her like she just fell off to me. Like she was like a fun, bubbly person. She just got too big for a bridge. Like I love Aja Wilson. Asia Wilson, I met her before. Cool to say what's up to her. Yeah, hello, what's up? Tall as hell, but hello, what's up? And that's it. You know, I love Jackie Young, but Citron's my girl. Citron, I might geek out over Citron.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:15

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:16

I might geek out a little bit. Rihanna. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I might do that over Citron. All right, I'm about to watch her. And just because not a lot of people would, like Rihanna, anybody would, so I wouldn't do that for her. Yeah, I might get a poster like that of Citra. No, I wouldn't do that. That's too much. That's too much.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:40

Yeah, I agree, Corey. They need uh Sharma, they should bring back in Living Color and the Wayans Brothers, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:46

In Living Color, you can do what you want to do. I think we reached the apex of the show. We didn't do the dang pictures, dang it. Uh we can yeah, we can do it later. We can do it another time. Okay, another time, another show, another time. But maybe I'll get back here on Monday for the game. We'll see how I feel. And go from there, I'll probably go to the driving range today. You know, hit some golf balls, chill out. It's 95 degrees outside, so it's kind of hot.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:21

God dang.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:22

Yeah, but it's cloudy, it's a cloudy 95. Right there, yeah, it's not bad. It's not, it's not that bad. And they got misters out there, you're under shade. So I do miss that about Arizona. Yeah, it's not bad. Sounds like beep would turn around and let her sign. Hey, on God, Charles, show wood, show would show wood. I would even ask her, do you want me to sign your jersey?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:51

That's what I would say. Do you want me to sign your jersey? Yes, because I want you to remember me because I'm always gonna remember you. I don't want you to ever forget about me.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:02

Okay, that's right. Anyway, put a bow on it. Appreciate y'all for being on here as always. More popular celebrities always coming soon. It's gonna be Philly by himself, man. So show my man some support. Show him some support. Don't shut down on the player, yeah. But anyway, you got your thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:21

This is next week, nah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:23

Not next week, but we're gonna be uh last yeah, last one. Yeah, all right, cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:27

Yeah, yo, go birds. Hey, uh no AJ Brown. By the time I'm next to you next week, by the time I talk to y'all next week, I might be off the Spurs bandwagon.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:38

They might be done. They might be uh my NBA season might be over. Then we ain't talking about no sports for forever. Oh man, that's a terrible fever world cup, fever world cup is starting.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:50

AJ Brown, forget that dude, man. I'm glad he's gone. I'm glad he's gone.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:57

But go birds. All right, we out. Peace, peace, peace.