Cold Open And Live Chat

SPEAKER_01 1:05

What is up? Guys, Joel. Shout out Joel. First one.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

First one.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

First ten. First ten may or may not get a special shout out on the podcast.

SPEAKER_08 1:16

Yes. Hey, 10 already? And it's only been one.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Damn. Well, you guys know how Joel is like a cult leader, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:22

Usually don't get into 10 territory until like the first hour, hour and a half.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

It kind of varies week by week. Depends how that groc update is doing, you know? Yeah. How's the groc update doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:33

How's it how's it doing this week?

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Well, last I last I saw Mecha Hitler was taking over X and that was it.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

So does that make all the the X users mecha Nazis?

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Is that is that I think correct. I think I think that's how that works, yeah. Nice. So what's up, everyone? Still here? Another week? Yeah, I'd love in the intro that when it says elite agenda, chose like five Darth Vader looking characters. Yeah. I wonder who would actually be in there. You know, so like George Soros behind the mask.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

You know what I was thinking of, right? Because um whenever I think of the not okay, not necessarily the elite, but like people with secret knowledge, people who who know things like the Illuminati type of image that comes into my mind, it's always like um the Middle Ages, some cloak and and you know, hood that's covering the face. Da Vinci Code. Some what's that? Da Vinci Code. I I never watched it, but sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:43

Did you ever read Da Vinci Code? I never watched it. Oh, yeah. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

I I I I read it and watched it. It was good.

SPEAKER_08 2:49

But I'm just saying like that image, right? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

There's like a tanker somewhere. You know, candlelight and like sharing secret information. And what I realized is like I think you know, you you saying Da Vinci Code, I think that is the case for most people, or or many people that like when they think of secret knowledge that's gonna, you know, accelerate their lives, or or that that they're going to have some advantage over others, that's kind of an image that comes up because I've noticed that when people say, like, oh yeah, um, you know, uh I'm gonna build a school or whatever, and we're gonna train kids up, and they're they're gonna be amazing. They're gonna be like they call it Jedi Knights, right? Jedi? And yeah, Jedi. And and like Star Wars uses the same imagery for their Jedi's, for you know, it's like, ah, yeah, you know, you want to have some special powers, yeah, you know, and kick ass.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

It's like they have like the cloaks and all that.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, Drake, is this your way of telling us we should have cloaks?

SPEAKER_02 3:59

I I I already bought them. So I okay, okay. But you got them from T you got them from Timu, so it's gonna be like so it's gonna be, you know, uh until you know that uh shipment container gets here and you know Trump lifts the tariffs, puts the tariffs back on, lifts the back of the package.

Epstein Files List Vs Files

SPEAKER_01 4:16

We have we have cloaks, they're only uh twelve thousand dollars because the tariffs I bought them for 12 cents initially, but now they're up to 12,000, and all the 12,000 goes back to China. That's like well, hey guys, so apparently Epstein didn't Epstein didn't have any clients. I heard that this week.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

He also he he didn't have any clients, he was not in jail for anything really major at all.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Yeah, apparently it was made up by Obama. Oh yeah, is that the official narrative now?

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Actually, uh Kim, didn't you get a call? Didn't you get a call from uh from Trump yesterday? Yeah telling you like really that uh it was all hoax.

SPEAKER_08 5:01

Yeah, he said nobody cares about it.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 5:04

No, like I've been looking at this point. Um, I actually sent you guys a couple tweets just to show the point. I think I did, anyways. I'm I might have just reposted them online.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

But I was I might have just thought about sending them to you.

SPEAKER_08 5:16

I might have just had a dream about it. No, like I see these tweets where it's like, okay, so so there is no file. There are no files. They were lying about that. They said there were, they said there was a list, but now there aren't any files. And I'm like, wait, I are you mixing up the word files and list? And I've noticed that happening on Twitter where they'll be like Pam Bondy saying, like, there was this clip that went viral where she was on Fox News like last year, I guess, or something, and they said, you know, something like So is have you seen the list of clients? And she's like, the files are on my desk for my review, along with the JFK and MLK. So everyone's going, see, she admitted she had the list. I'm like, she didn't say she had the list, she said she had the files. They were asking her, Have you seen the list? She said, I have the files. There's a difference between the two words. Man, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:12

And and um but also I was looking at this, so but I noticed like people are playing with that on purpose, where they'll be like, now they're denying that there's any files. But they're not, like Trump is clearly saying there are files. Now he's saying that it's all like his he had this really long tweet basically saying, quit talking about it, and anyways, it's a bunch of files that were created during Obama and Clinton and Biden and all that, which is true. That is true, but that isn't you know, that aside, um this idea about the list and them saying, Well, there is no list of clients with blackmail that the FBI has or the DOJ has. And I'm like, Well, do you think that the guy wrote down a list of all the people and then next to it wrote like what's the blackmail on them? So it'd be easy to deny that in the files we have a list, his list of all the clients that he has blackmail on. Like, like if he just had an address book with people in it, is that the list? Or is that just his contacts? So so they're very specific. It's like what they're saying is just that there's no list of the people that he has blackmail on. Okay, that doesn't mean that he didn't. And and then Trump going, you know, like basically, this is how I'm reading it, although I could be totally wrong. What I'm reading it as, he's basically, okay, let me go back for a minute. Mitch. I don't remember if you were on the time we talked about Candace Owens getting that call from Trump. Yeah, right. I think that was last week, yeah. With the Macron thing. Yep. Where basically he called her at some point was like, you know, stop talking about Macron's wife having a penis, and you know, I'm trying to get this deal done about Ukraine, and that's what he wants. And we talked about this point of like, yeah, that's how it works, right? It's like these people want this, I know what they want, I want this done, they can do that. Okay, I'll give you what you want, I get what I want, and so forth. And I was like, that's that's how the fucking game is played. Okay, you scratch, I scratch your back, you scratch my dick. Yeah, exactly. That's what I thought you were gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

You scratch Bridger Macron's dick.

SPEAKER_08 8:23

Yeah, um, but you know, like that's that was kind of the point we made last week, is like that's kind of how it's played, and then you wonder like how much of that's really going on, like just every single deal, you know. Like, why is he jerking off Lindsey Graham all the time online? You know, it's because you know what I mean. It's like you make this guy feel good, like he's your friend and everything, and then and now I could be totally wrong, and like Trump's like totally down with every hidden negative agenda and all that, and he's just a part of it. Fine, it doesn't matter. But the point is he they're showing like how the game is actually played, and so to me, the Epstein thing, let's assume they're just lying, basically, even though technically they're not lying, and they're he's like, let guys, no one cares about Epstein, he's like trying to tell you don't care about it. Meaning, like, imagine if Trump came out knowing what we know now, assuming Candace Owens was telling the truth, going, no one cares about Macron's wife, whether she's a man or not, no one cares about that. I don't know why people are talking about it. It'd be because he's like trying to be like, shut up, quit talking about it. I'm trying to do a deal with somebody. I'm the president, you hired me to do these things, and now you're demanding that I release some information that number one, you already fucking know. Like, what do you want? A list of every fucking politician, religious leader, uh, billionaire, royal member. Just go on Wikipedia. You can find that information for free.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

Right, right.

SPEAKER_08 9:54

What do you want? Like, well, I need to know the specifics. I need to know if if if Tom Hanks is on that list or not, you know, and it's like, who cares? I'm not saying like this from the perspective of like, I don't care, or it doesn't matter, or like what are you gonna do about it? It's not even that, it's just it's like it's kind of like the armchair quarterback thing, you know, where it's like, well, and again, this is not me saying it's totally fine that they're not talking about it. It's just from the perspective of like some fucking boomer online who's got the queue download and all this shit, you know, like sitting there going, like, they gotta release those files, you know, we gotta protect the children. And I'm like, you spent your whole and I'm not just talking about boomers only, but you spent your whole life building, upholding, participating in a system that abuses children every day. Oh, but it's all the elite, they're the ones doing it. Yeah, they're doing it too. But and again, I'm not justifying whether they should release it or not. It's just I could I could see, even if you give Trump the benefit of the doubt, he's like, no one cares about Epstein. I'm trying to make sure America doesn't collapse. You know, like you wanna you wanna uh you want me to do no income tax? Okay, then I gotta get these tariffs done. You want the tariffs done? Okay, then you gotta shut the fuck up about this because the person over here who's got the list or is on the list won't do this because I'm you know what I mean? Like and then the problem is like Elon Musk, remember when he was like, he's on the list? Remember that? Or he's in the files, which is so like dirty actually to say. You know what I mean? Trump's in the files. Like, well, yeah, no shit. He's like one of the most famous people in the world. Why wouldn't he be in the files? Does that mean he's on the list? Does that list even existing? But imagine Elon, okay, because people are like, I I see like the MAGA side where they're trying to protect Trump against Elon, and they're like, oh, Elon, so you're saying you saw the list and you know what's in there, but you kept working with them anyways? You know, you saw what was in those files, and I'm like, No, I don't think that's what happened. I think what happened was Elon was in the government and talking to people, and he knew that they were gonna say, There's nothing to see here. And it's like his like, think about this, guys. The actual Epstein blackmail that's happening is Trump being mentioned in the files of Epstein, naturally, just like anybody would be, like, who's famous, right? Like, even if they did anything wrong or not. But Elon is using that as blackmail against Trump because he said he's in the files, but now Trump, he knew Trump wasn't gonna release them, so now it implies that Trump is not releasing them because he's in them. So the most obvious case of blackmail that I've seen with the Epstein files is that.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Do you think that um that guy from uh uh what is that show called? Oh, American Idol. Yeah. You think that that guy from American Idol? Simon? No, no, no, no. The the one who sings uh Sea Bang! Oh babe. You think he's in there in this file? William Hung?

SPEAKER_03 13:13

You remembered his name?

SPEAKER_08 13:15

He's in the files. Sorry, allegedly that was a joke, William. Don't sue me. I'm joking. I didn't say which files, he's in some way. He's on my computer, he's in a file on my computer, okay? Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

That's hilarious. That's hilarious. I was looking for um that clip because you were talking about um, you know, the the uh you spent a whole career, I found it. Spent a whole career talking about, you know, live basically living off a system that takes advantage of everybody else, that exploits everybody, that you know, hurts everyone. And then here's this this fucker. You guys remember this?

SPEAKER_04 14:00

Most powerful powerful. What do you mean we are built to find that? Do you mean our entire country? Our entire MBI CIA saying this.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

Whoever's one little operation that they don't want to expose. Whoever he was working for, Epstein, Mossad, CIA, everything. Apparently, the most powerful people on the world were flying to an island and having sex with underage kids because she said it. There's tens of thousands of hours of them doing it. If we're built on that, and the most powerful people that are running the show are in charge, the guys telling Castell, oh, you the thing that you just read, shut up. Shut up about it. I hold on, you know who I am. He knows who I am. I want accountability for everybody. If it's Trump, if it's uh Bill Gates, if it's Bill Clinton, I don't give a shit. If it's the president of anything, expose them because, Adam, the truth has to come out. Okay, so I only have one question for you.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

Yes, my dear friend. I agree with you, but at what price? Take a deep breath, baby. But hold it, hear me out. At what price? At any price, Adam. So you're saying to expose whatever happened on Epstein Island, you're willing to do whatever this looks like. Yes, tear down the government, expose all the secrets, put America basically in harm's way, just to find out what's everyone.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

What do you mean, Adam? Because these are the most powerful people in the world, they're apparently on this island. Adam, so let the truth be told or the heavens fall. I don't care. Yeah, Adam, and that's who Vincent Oshana is. I am 100% accountability, and I don't give a shit. If Adam, if that's what we were built on, what price? I don't care if there's no price. Guess what the price is, Adam? God, so you want to price you want to rule it. You're gonna answer the menu. Uh city of ashes. I don't give a shit if it's built on pedophilia and raping kids. Yes, because you're being emotional. No, I'm not, I'm being real.

SPEAKER_04 15:43

I'm being real the whole concept of do you want to cut your nose off to spite your face? There might be an issue, but do you want to cut your whole nose off and ruin your entire face because you care that much about this entire issue?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

If the machine is running right now because pedophiles, pedophiles are running the show, and they're telling him, shut the hell up because we're all pedophiles, knock it down. And my last thing, pal, what bothered me about what he said is we're not gonna re-victimize the the girls and the victims. We're not gonna do this cash.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Yes, all right. Um, so well, it's interesting because there's like there's points on both sides, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:18

It's interesting to hear that this is in the mainstream now. I remember like five years ago, this was like the most fringe out there thing ever. Like, what uh elite pay file?

SPEAKER_00 16:26

What?

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Dude, man. Oh, and says Adam is in the file. Adam is in the files.

SPEAKER_08 16:35

That's defamation, dude. I wouldn't say shit like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_08 16:41

William Hung is in the files, but I'm in like my computer files, so just clarify.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Yeah, which file do you mean, Owen?

SPEAKER_08 16:50

Um yeah, like the thing is, with what was the other guy's name? Vin Vincent Vinny, right? Vinny, yeah. What he said, uh see, it's this is the thing I noticed about this. Again, this is like I don't know any of this, like what the truth is, but I definitely know that everybody on this planet is constantly being sacrificed to the money system. So I don't need to know the details of this particular thing because if it's not all if it's all fake, that doesn't fucking change anything.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

Right.

SPEAKER_08 17:23

Even if it's true, it doesn't change anything. Like if it's true, it's unsurprising. If it's false, I'm like, wow, that was a big they really got us on that one, you know. Like um but you go back and you look at Trump saying so many times things about like, you know, Bill Clinton doesn't wanna uh talk about being on Epstein's plane and all that kind of stuff. Like they're all using it, you know? Yeah, and there was one thing I was gonna show you.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

What I was gonna say is like you know, to Mitch's point, um it's like I remember the first time literally the first time I went over to your place in Houston, and we were talking about like you know, there are definitely people in the elite who are doing things like this, whether it's you know, pedophilia or sacrificing children or you know, whatever. There are people and I remember being just shocked, just absolutely like what and and uh it's so funny because you guys are like you're like uh you never heard this before? I was like, no. And you guys are like you guys are like shocked at me for not knowing, and I'm like shocked at like because it's just so jarring. I I remember that too, because I was like what do you mean it's it's loud, it's too loud. I think so. Is it loud compared to me, Kim? Yeah, which is Mike, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Well, sorry, I'm just pat I'm like Vinny here. No, it just might be the gain is up. Did you turn the game down?

SPEAKER_08 18:54

Uh I did. Okay, that's why it's probably just that, it's just boosting. Uh the thing about Vinny though I was gonna say is when he's saying um Bondi said they had thousands of files on the computer.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Uh she what what I remember the tweet about it being was like um that she's seen thousands of hours of video. There's thousands of hours of video.

Word Games And Public Reaction

SPEAKER_08 19:21

Yes, but I also heard her talk about it like on uh Fox News or something, right? But I if somebody finds a contradiction, that's fine. You can you can share it. But I never heard her directly say they have thousands of hours of children being abused by people other than Epstein. You see what I mean? Like I that's not what I heard. What I heard is like so again, it's like kind of subtly twisting everything because because Vinny's like basically trying to say that they admitted they have thousands of hours of footage of children being abused by the most powerful people on earth, and now they're pretending like it doesn't, it's like that's not what was said. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that's not what was said. It's like all said in a way, whether it's deliberate or not, to get everybody kind of being able to think whatever you want. You know what I mean? Like, oh, she said it, and that's why I was making the point about the files versus the list. I never heard Pam Bondi say, I'm looking at the list of blackmailed, powerful clients that we have in our files. She said, I have the files on my desk, and everyone says, Oh, but now they said they this doesn't exist, but she had the files, so she you know, it's like, well, you see how it's like all mincing words and sort of twisting it all around.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Well, it's interesting because we talk about the collapse of the system and how it's been collapsing for the past 10 years, and it's almost like a it's like the vocabulary is getting reformatted to be able to interpret that. Because yeah, the average person isn't processing really any of this, and they're very reactive, and it's very you know, it's an emotional hot button, so it's like it's on us to be able to have the vocabulary, but then to also create the vocabulary to really understand, like like you're saying, Cameron, it's kind of irrelevant either way, like sure it would be helpful to know if everyone got blatantly lied to or not. How would it be? But it doesn't how would it help? Then you could lock up Bill Gates.

SPEAKER_08 21:21

You know what it's like? It's a lot like the it's like it's lock out the sun, it's like the free energy stuff, yeah, right? Where uh and I'm gonna play devil's advocate for them, which is like uh like I listened to this thing where the guys like saying people always say, Well, if you have a working free energy device, why don't you show it to everybody? And and they're like, you can go online and see tons of YouTube videos of people showing their free energy devices. No, you might say like that doesn't prove anything. And the reason why is because I'm not like sitting here advocating free energy devices. I don't fucking know if they're real or not real or whatever. I'm just saying. If I had one sitting right here and I was like, look, here's the free energy device. Watch, I'm gonna turn it on. Look, it's going. Look, I'm taking off the battery. It's still going. Look, it's producing more energy. Look, here's the voltmeter. Would you be like, I know that's true? Or would you be like, well, okay, but I mean, how do I know that the amount going out is significant compared to the amount going in? Like, I can you do the math on it? Like, can you go, okay, or or could you be like, well, maybe there's a hidden battery somewhere. Okay, I'm I'm gonna take it apart and show you, okay, but maybe there's it doesn't prove anything. And and the point that the guy was making about this was that let's assume for a moment, hypothetically, the free energy devices are real, they're they're a theoretical possibility. He's like, the physics that uh explains how they're possible, at least theoretically, uh, is outside of what we all accept as possible physics. So even if I showed you a free energy device, you would not believe it because the only way for it to be real is if it's based on physics that you don't accept. So it's irrelevant the proof. So my point about the Epstein stuff is like, even if we all got the proof, here's the list. What would happen? What would change? Like, okay, you stop going to work. Like you find out your boss, I I don't want to say something specific. I don't, you know, I don't want to be like Owen and you know, other than William Hung, obviously, right? Um, let's say your boss, you work at Microsoft and a new CEO is William Hung or whatever. Um no, but you know what I'm saying, like if you found out your CEO, like, oh, you would suddenly make a principled stand and quit just because he was mentioned on the list? I mean what would the actual effect be? I think the only possible actual effect, and I and I want to show you this this quote from Scott Adams, because I agree with this to a certain degree. The only actual effect would be people would lose their mind. Like, would there be any effect that would be like a positive change?

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Okay, let's I'll give you my interpretation. Let's say you get all the kind of classic people like a Bill Gates or like a George Soros or whoever, and it's like definitive, like in court, they're now fucking locked up, life in prison, charged for you know, pedophilia, whatever. That in the in the eyes of the Q boomer, that is like the golden day. They're like, wow, we locked them up. Now Bill Gates can't put them around.

SPEAKER_08 24:38

They helped build a prison, and then they want to put everyone in the prison. Because what was the point of building a prison if everyone's not in it with me? Like, my life is a prison. I'm prison to a fucking recliner with Fox News on, so I think Bill Gates should be in prison too. Like, that's basically what they're saying. Yeah, like I I hear what you're saying. Like, yes, that is the idea. It's like it's like they basically don't really believe in God, but they want to, but they can't see any evidence of it. So they're like, the next best thing would be proof of hell. And the only hell that I could possibly imagine is Bill Gates gets punished for his crimes against humanity. So if he goes to hep to prison, that means hell is real, which means heaven is real, which means even though I took the I don't want to say the word. Fucking say it. Fucking say it.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Fucking say it, you little bitch.

SPEAKER_08 25:26

I refuse to say it. Even though I took it, I'm still going to heaven. When I die. After I squander my inheritance uh for my children on uh fucking uh a lifetime cruise around the world. Remember that one? I think we showed that woman like last time. Lifetime cruise around the world. Or like, isn't that a prison? Imagine, like, you spend all your money on a cruise, now you literally can't leave because you have no money. Um you're you're f wouldn't you eventually get bored? Like, you know, I really want to get off this ship. That's kind of like the planet we're on right now, isn't it? It's like I really want to get off this fucking ship. But actually, the ship is pretty amazing. Um you know, it brings up all kinds of points. Also, just real quick, uh, let's see. I see that Owen is in the chat, but I didn't see him share the stream. So what's up with that, Owen? Uh oh. Why aren't you sharing the stream? Well, Owen. Wow. Are you in some files? Owen, we're inferring a lot from this. If you're in the stream right now and you don't share it, I'm gonna have to assume you're in the file. Oh, okay. There we go. He was very quick to share it.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

He did not in the files.

SPEAKER_08 26:41

Owen's laughing, but still hasn't shared the stream. Still has he's uh so I'm concerned. Very curious about that. Oh, Martin actually did share it earlier. He was one of the second people. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Martin, where's that beautiful picture? We need a picture of you, Martin. You're looking like a gray guy. He's like anan. Um with that cowboy hat.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Yeah, I I I want you to, you know, take your time, but uh, there was a point that you had made to me yesterday that was really good that I think should be shared. Um, and it was when we were talking about that TikTok girl. Like, do you remember the the point that you came to? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 27:19

Uh I don't remember what the point was, but I have I want to I got a lot of stuff I want to talk about on that.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Keith unreposted. I didn't even know that was a thing.

SPEAKER_08 27:29

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

So he might actually be in the Keith's trying to get famous on X and he is hesitating associating himself with our brand. He's like, nah, nah, this is uh this is a little tea.

National Security Argument For Secrecy

SPEAKER_08 27:43

Yeah, Kim who's the TikTok girl. I'm gonna connect, I'm gonna connect Professor Chinaman, the TikTok girl. Yes. I don't know who the TikTok is. This guy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And uh Bill Ackman. I cannot wait. I'm excited. Connect the dots. Uh but let me show you this real quick. Hold on. Uh just to finish that other point we were talking about. Scott Adams says, if you see the Epstein story as a crime story, which of course it is, you probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything involved, including innocent people like a typical court case. If you see the Epstein story as something bigger involving more than one nation, you might see it as a commander-in-chief issue, meaning the public is not meant to have the full story, similar to most national defense issues. We elect a president to decide in part what the public can safely see. Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation? Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open border hellscape? If you can't okay. Uh quite the Sophie's choice there.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Also, before we keep going, just want to show Heath unreposted it so that he could super post- What the fuck is a super post?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

If you're not super posting our stream, I'm gonna infer you're a card.

SPEAKER_08 29:05

If you don't super post this, you're definitely on the list.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Oh, and you haven't even single posted it.

SPEAKER_08 29:09

Single stream. Yeah, dude. If you didn't post it, you're I'm assuming you're I'm assuming you're Jeffrey Epstein.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

So Cameron, is this uh I'm assuming you're in that one minute.

SPEAKER_08 29:21

I'm assuming you're the only one on the list.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Uh okay, so tick who's the TikTok girl because wait, no, no, no, no. No, let's Scott Adams.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Sophie's choice. You guys 71 already. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_08 29:41

That's that is the point, though. It's just that I'm not saying I defer. There we go, Austin. It's not a super post.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

God damn, Austin looks like a celebrity.

SPEAKER_08 29:50

He's like in Lisp Purgatory, right? He might be, he might not be. So we're not assuming he is, but because he posted it, we assume he's could be, could not be, but super posting would confirm definitely you aren't.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

I thought purgatory was just waiting until you go to heaven. Like we'll Yeah, but I feel like there's a possibility you could go back down.

SPEAKER_08 30:10

What would be the point of being if you can't go back down?

SPEAKER_03 30:15

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Going into purgatory if you're just gonna go to hell. It's just fucking asked. What's the point of it? Drake, it's like at a restaurant, it's like a fancy restaurant you wanted to get into in Argentina that was like$2,000 a plate, and you're in the waiting room, yeah, and you're not sure if you're gonna get in. And if you don't get in, that bouncer's putting you out on the street, but you're an Argentina, so yeah. So basically, hell. I'm just trying to make it relatable to you, Drake. Okay, because I know you're very elite, so I'm trying to, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 30:48

Owen posted this when I when I accused him of killing Jeffrey Epstein. Damn, Owen. All right. Um, we're having fun.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

Shout out Sam.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

There you go. Um Sam's probably knocking on doors right now, talking to families, laughing, smirking as he's reading.

SPEAKER_08 31:03

He's probably blasting the podcast on the speakers. Um yeah, I mean, what else is there to say? Like basically, I'm not saying I defer to Trump's I like I trust him. I don't trust anybody. It's just a matter of he is the president. And if you were in his position and you were like, look, my job is to run this country in the system that exists, that if it collapses today, everybody's fucked. Like, so what I'm saying is the only possible outcome of releasing the list obviously people can go to jail or something. Like, yeah, I get that, but like, how are you gonna put the king of England in I mean bless his soul? Whatever. I don't know. Like, what do you have to do?

SPEAKER_02 31:48

All you have to do is say allegedly.

SPEAKER_08 31:50

I don't wanna yeah, allegedly. I don't know. Whoever is on there, like let's just say hypothetically, the queen of England, okay? She's dead, so she can't. The dead one? Okay, okay. Maybe she still can.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

I don't know how it works. Can can you be defamed posthumously? Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

I'm sure they have like a foundation, like a legacy foundation. Kevin loves the queen. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 32:12

Freddie Murray.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

God saved the queen, even though she's dead.

SPEAKER_08 32:16

Uh yeah, but you know what I mean? Like, like, what are you gonna put them in jail? Like, come on. All it's gonna do. I'm I'm not defending it. I'm just saying, like, what um yeah, what can I say? Like, what if what if what if he actually is like, we need to move on because it's irrelevant? You should all know by now all the fucked up things that are going on. You have the internet. What do you want us to prove?

Screens Raise Kids Now

SPEAKER_02 32:41

I I don't think it's like that. I think um, I think it's very much like uh, you know, when people in the government would be like there are UFOs and blah blah blah, right? Yeah and like we've known this for decades, and it's like, okay, then why wasn't that information released? And the excuse would always be the the public can't handle it, right? And I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I I think to an extent that is true. Like, obviously, you know, the people that listen to this stream and you know, us here, we we're intelligent, you know. We'd be able to process this information to the extent where we can go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't don't don't make those faces at our fucking audience.

SPEAKER_08 33:22

No, no, no, don't fucking you said everything I was intelligent, so I was like, All right, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

It's just Michelle.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Says the guy who's connecting fucking 1800s texts to modern day lectures.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

But but what I'm saying is the point is like the average person would not be able to handle that like today, right now. Like, like, okay, like look, the average person today is sitting their kid in front of do you know uh fucking oh I don't have the book in front of me. Uh like but I was reading remotely controlled some more, and uh they were making this point back whenever that book was written. I I don't even fucking know, but back whenever that book was written, they were making the point of one in ten no, hang on. Let me let me let me get this straight. Okay, 25% of babies six months to two years old are on the list. Are on the list, but on the uh the other side of the list, unfortunately. Joke, actually. Um no, but but 25% of six months to two years old have a TV in their room. So this was back then, you know, when fucking TV was a thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

In the kids like in their crib when they're in. Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Like they have a TV in their room. Um, and then and then he was going further to say, now if you go from three years old to sixteen years old, it's nine out of ten have a television in their room, right? Whip whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop. Say that again. 90% of people yeah, to 16-year-olds. 90% of them, 90% of children have a television in their room. That's what he was saying, right? Back in the day when television was a thing. Yeah, like when like when you got your media through television. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah, now I just have my computer and my phone.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Now, yeah, exactly. And he was saying he was saying this as like, and as uh you know, new technology's coming in, like the computer, it's now common to be on the computer and have the television on at the same time, which now that's like uh people hey there's a meeting.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Everyone, everyone, I I want to do a quick study. Uh, can you drop in the comments if you had a TV in your room as a child or a teenager? Or no? I knew I don't think I did. Did you? I did. Really? What did you watch? Cartoon Network.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Oh. Did you not watch Cartoon Network?

SPEAKER_08 35:58

I'm trying to find some stats. Look at it. 40% of kids have their own tablet by two.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Damn! That's the point.

SPEAKER_08 36:06

That's the point 60% by four.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

That's the point, Mitch.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Is like by the time value of a customer right there.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Exactly. Like now it's like it's not even and and that's just saying tablet. What about the kids who got an old iPhone? You know? What about the kids with a fucking Neurlink? And so the point that I'm making though is the average parent is putting their kids in front of that. Watching fucking coconut, uh fucking uh, I don't even know, Miss Rachel. Dude, they call Miss Rachel. Like, if you go on Facebook, you go into any parenting group, you type in Miss Rachel, they're like, oh my god, I love Miss Rachel. She's the best, she's like she's definitely not in those files. She babysits my kid for you know hours and hours every day. I don't know what I would do about her.

SPEAKER_08 36:55

That's why she was speaking up about Palestine.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

Clearly. That's how pretty much you know if you're not in the that's the only reason you know she's not in the past.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

She was actually speaking up for Palestine.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

Yeah, there was like a lot of controversy about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

But uh, but yeah, yeah, it but it's funny because like she's uh like you know, they they used to say that TV is uh is an electronic babysitter, right? And it's like it's not just that though. It it's it's yes, it makes your kids.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

It's a salesman, it's an MK Ultra agent, it's all it's all that's what it is, really.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

It's like it would be like think of the most nefarious fucking character that you can, you know, from James Bond or some shit. And then you give that guy your kid.

SPEAKER_08 37:42

Drake told me the story from that remotely controlled book the other day about this guy, yeah. I think it was the author, I'm assuming, right? Yeah, yeah. Basically, he went and had a relationship with a woman in Japan who didn't speak English.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

It was a friend of the author, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:54

Okay, a friend of the author. Had a relationship with a woman in Japan who didn't speak English, and he was kind of trying to like, you know, like I was able to score with this woman who didn't even speak English. Like, that's pretty cool. But she said when they were having sex and she was climaxing, let's say, she yells out Epstein didn't kill himself. No, I'm kidding. She she yells out, like, yes, yes, yes. And he was like, What? That's weird. She doesn't even speak English. Why is she? And it turns out, I don't know how they figured this out, but she had watched when Harry met Sally or some shit, you know. And the point being how much the TV had influenced when she's climaxing in sex, what she says, because that was what was said on the TV, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Well, so uh isn't that the scene where she picks an orgasm? Damn, I guess I don't know. I've fucking I've never watched it. No, it's just like I've never watched the movie. It's this iconic scene. She's like making an orgasm in a restaurant. I probably would recognize the scene. The guy's like, I'll have what she's having. Yeah, you don't know that. Is that another movie that happens?

SPEAKER_02 38:59

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

He's it's like, I don't, I don't even know if this is Harry and Sally in the movie, but he's let me let me just is that what happened when Harry met Sally?

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Like literally when Harry met Sally Sally for me. Owen with his super chat. No, don't even don't even share it. Don't even share it. No, don't even show it.

SPEAKER_08 39:20

Keith is labeling himself as a superposter now. Did you write that yourself, or is that just calling you a superposter? You can't even tell. What are you guys doing? Look, Matt, Owen, you can't just put super chat in parentheses. You wrote super chat Owen Modeste donated one dollar. You did not donate only one dollar.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Owen, that shows that shows how confident you are in it.

SPEAKER_08 39:42

Tell a vision, more like tell lies owen. We have a very active uh live chat, live stream chat that is. It's pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Uh me thinks.

SPEAKER_08 39:55

I'm learning about Joshua.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Learn about Giselle. Giselle had a play. Giselle, what were you playing on a PlayStation Five? It was this PlayStation 1 or PlayStation 2.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Dude, okay, so look, uh everybody's saying, except for Joshua, everybody's saying they had a television in their room when they were kids. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 40:14

I did up to a certain age, and then my parents got my dad got remarried, and my mom was real, my submom was strict, but up until I would say like uh 11 or so, like I had like a Nintendo in my room, a Super Nintendo. Really?

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Yeah, yeah. I did not I had it in the room next door.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

No, for a certain time I had like I remember because I have a picture. I don't think you were poor, Mitch. I was not poor. If you grew up poor, you probably had a TV.

SPEAKER_08 40:46

Exactly. Mitch just outed himself. Your parents couldn't afford my parents probably did didn't want to pay for daycare or some shit. I don't know. Right?

SPEAKER_01 40:56

No, I mean we definitely had fucking multiple TVs in the house, that's for sure. And every morning, every morning, by the time I woke up in the morning, my parents were watching the the news, and then I could usually get the TV for 30 minutes to watch Spongebob before school. And then after school, if I beat my mom home, I could uh see that now you've got the watch cartoons.

SPEAKER_08 41:19

Right. Now you've got to watch it, Snapchat, WhatsApp.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Dude, and okay, you know what I mean. Think think about think about how aggressive children get. Like, you know, children would get aggressive when you're watching fucking television back in the day, but it was just like the TV's off. I unplugged it, like there's nothing you can fucking do about it. Now it's like you are traveling, you're going to the grocery store, you're going to a restaurant, you're going somewhere, and they've got this tablet in front of them, and you have become you, as the parent, have become fucking dependent on that fucking tablet. And so even when you want to take it away from them, they fucking scream it, and you're like, ah, we just got to get through the day here, take it back. I'm sorry. And you don't actually, because you're not sitting there. I I talk to parents all the time. I'm like, your child has a tablet, and they're like, Yeah. And I'm like, you know the crazy shit that comes through YouTube, right? They're like, oh no, but I watch, I I look at what what you know is coming. Like, you're you're fucking lying.

SPEAKER_08 42:15

You're not sitting here watching a groups feed or something. Like I check it out. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Right. It's like you're sitting there over their shoulder the entire time that it's playing. Then what the fuck are you doing? You're just watching it. Yeah, like like why don't you just put it on the fucking big screen and everybody watches?

Phase One Binders And Doubts

SPEAKER_08 42:31

For the record, none of our kids, you guys have two each. I've got three. They don't have tablets. If we're driving in the car, they don't have tablets. They're like reading a book or we're talking or listening to music or whatever. So they're not uh on the tablets. Just to be clear, we're not just yeah. Um okay, so Epstein aside, actually, just a couple things real quick before we move on from Epstein. Check this out. Why did the White House release those Epstein files phase one binders if it was all just a fake democratic op as Trump claims?

SPEAKER_02 43:06

That's a great question.

SPEAKER_08 43:07

It's a valid point. Like, so there is that part where you're like, it does feel like he's just telling us to move on for some reason. Like it, like suddenly it's like we need to move on. It's not like the whole time this was obvious. It's like, I don't know why you guys are making a big deal about this bullshit. It's like now suddenly it's like uh, you know, right before you're about to release it, like, you know what? Actually, nothing to see here, guys. So there is that. Um did Cash Patel step down too. I saw it was a little bit more. I think that was a lot of uh fake news, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

And that's another part of the whole thing of like this is happening and that's happening and when the files were being released and they gave them to all those influencers, and then there was an AI image of dancing where they're all like dancing and like doing some sort of like cowboy dance or some shit, right?

SPEAKER_08 43:56

Yeah, what's that but it was supposed to be a reference to the dancing Israelis, was. The joke. That was the ref that was the I think underlying joke. I I I see. I see. I got a couple more for you. So you got this one. Trump says Obama, Clinton, Biden, FBI is Comey, and CI's branding created the Epson files calling it a fake hoax. And then you've got uh this one. Elon Musk saying this is a very big deal. What the hell kind of system are we living in? If thousands of kids were abused, the government has videos of the abusers, and yet none of the abusers are even facing charges. I agree with all that. But let's just back it up. How about we just stop here? Like it's like this kind of ties in sort of to what I was gonna bring through today, which is like what kind of a have you ever stopped to actually consider what kind of a system you're living in and what you're participating in and what you're helping create every day? Oh, oh, and why not haven't?

Reading Builds Pattern Recognition

SPEAKER_02 44:56

And I know you haven't, so why not? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Because I I wanted to make this point along with the TV stuff, which is um Okay, Cam, I know you're gonna share some stuff that's like you know, if you've been following us for any length of time, you've seen when we bring up the Foucault and the fucking different uh I forget what they're called now. Um philosophers, what's that? Oh, postmodernists, yeah. There we go. That's what I was looking for. Um, yeah, well, how all the things that we're talking about, and all the ideas, the new ideas that people have, or whatever, it's like it's all been done before. Like somebody's already gone down this path and shown why it doesn't make sense, you know? And and it's so funny because to me, I'll just speak from my perspective. You know, when I was at Cam's house the very first time, and uh they were telling me about like the elite with you know the potential pedophiles or children's sacrifice, whatever. Now I was like, what? Like that that was just like crazy to me. Like that seemed outlandish. And now here we are several years later, where it's like, now that's mainstream, now that's like a a thought that everybody holds or or is like open to at the very least, of just like, yeah, that's what's going on, you know? And uh, you even got people defending it as if it's like, well, it it has to happen that way, and it's so funny because if you look at all the things that we talk about uh on the podcast or or just in general within our our groups and meetings and things like that, it's like it might seem to the average person like wild and out there, and like, I what are you talking about? Meanwhile, it's literally all just like it all this information is out there, but the average person doesn't know about it for one, and two, even if they did know about it, they would not be able to understand it. They're they're not able to process that information. And and a big piece of that is how entertained, how willing to be entertained people are, where they'll just sit and watch, you know, TikTok or television or you name the media, right? Where they're willing to just be entertained up the wazoo where they can't even see the common sense or or develop the ability to understand and put the pieces together to the extent where it's like what was it that um okay, I I was uh listening to a lecture. Oh, okay, okay. I I'll just say this actually, I'll just say this. Um, because we were talking about psycho history last week, right? Did we talk about that on the podcast last week? Yeah. Okay, okay. Okay. So just just that point of here you have this random Chinaman who is clearly, you know, more intelligent than the average person. He's got a large vocabulary, his processing ability is there, he's well read, clearly, because he's able to put together all these points from just reading and looking out on the world and seeing the situation and going, oh, because of this, it is very clear that the inevitable thing that will happen is there will be conflict with the US and Iran. That is inevitable. It has to happen. It's not because, oh, God ordained it or this. This is not even a religious person. He's just like, I'm just looking at the facts, I can read, this is what's happening, right? And to the average person here in the US, it's like, oh no, we we we have to do it because it says so in the Bible that if we bless it doesn't even say Israel, but we'll say if we bless Israel, those who bless Israel in turn get blessed, and those who curse Israel in turn get cursed. And so now that this is happening between Israel and Iran, it our hand is forced by the Bible because God is making it happen right now in this moment, and it no one could have predicted this. Otherwise, otherwise, we voted for the guy who said that he would keep us out of wars, and um, and and this is just like an inevitable, like like unavoidable is what I mean to say, unavoidable conflict that we couldn't have predicted anyway. It's like bullshit, fucking bullshit. You can't read. That's the fucking problem. That's the actual problem is you can't read, you can't process information, and uh you're you're willing to just be entertained, and and unfortunately, it's not all your fault. You know, as a kid, you probably were sat in front of a TV too, and just like, oh, this is your babysitter, just hang with this and enjoy this, and then you know what? But uh you become an adult and you don't even realize. And this is the fucking insidious thing that I keep hammering down. Anyone who'll listen to me is like, hey, you know how uh kids can't read? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, you know how there's AI and they're gonna put it in schools? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fucking problem. And they're like, well, no, the AI reads for you. Like, are you fucking retarded? Yes, the answer is yes.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

But dude, even when you're saying that story of how, like this professor, right? The Chinese professor guy, that he can read and he can put things together so he can see patterns. Dude, I don't think the average person understands that that's the purpose of reading. I think they just think reading is like this entertaining thing you kind of should do, but it's not actually like a worthwhile skill and process you go through to actually piece together the world so you can predict the future.

SPEAKER_08 50:55

Because they have understanding the world. Right.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

Okay, well that, and also it's like think about for the average child actually how difficult it is for them to learn to read.

unknown 51:07

Right.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Because they're read an audio book and they think they're or they listen to an audiobook and they think they're reading.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

Yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_08 51:13

Max wanted a book, okay, and we we're gonna go just like this bookstore that had it, it's really far away. And you know, I could have ordered it, but we're like, we were gonna go out there anyways. And he asked, or I don't know what was going on, but like Katie was saying you can listen to the audiobook if you do your exercise bike, because he has like this exercise bike. So it was like in that context, we'll let you listen to the audiobook. He got halfway through and then yesterday he went with me because we had to go do something, and on the way was the bookstore, and then he still wanted to buy the book, and then on the way back, he didn't want to listen to the audiobook, he just read the rest of the book. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just trying to give that context of yeah, he's like, Yeah, I if it's the only way I can listen to it, because it was like the fourth book in a series that he really wanted to read, right? And it's just funny because he was like, Okay, now I'm done with the audiobook, now I can not actually actually read the book, yeah. And he finished it on the way back.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

I mean, think about it. Like, audiobooks are slow compared to the book. That's what he said.

SPEAKER_08 52:12

He goes, It's too slow, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Yeah, right. He's like, I have to sit here and wait for you to fucking say the words, like, give me a fucking break. And and for and think about it, today the average person is like, Oh, I get two books way faster if I listen to the audio and like I can't even read. It's like, yeah, you can't fucking read. That's the actual problem.

SPEAKER_08 52:33

Did you see that tweet uh that that uh tweet I sent you from David Shapiro talking about reading?

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know where it is. I think we we talked about it on the last podcast. We we showed it, we showed it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Oh, it like creates the scaffolding in your mind, right?

SPEAKER_08 52:50

It's just like when you can't really read effectively, you don't get that, but when you can, you obviously know there's a lot more that's going on than just reading it. You know what I mean? Like, so it's hard to explain to someone who doesn't have that. Because like when I'm reading something, I'm also thinking about how it connects to other things, but because I can read effectively, I'm not just like letting my mind wander. I can I'm actually reading what it's saying and thinking at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

It's an entirely different human experience when you can read it.

SPEAKER_08 53:21

It's not the same as an audiobook, even.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

It's definitely the same as the bullet points. Yeah, go ahead. It's like you're um when you're reading, it's like there are little lights going off in you know different parts of your brain of like this this is uh relevant, you know, and and it may not even seem relevant in in that moment.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

Dude, it can be a single word, a single word you haven't heard in a while, or you just wouldn't put together, and then that's you haven't seen used in that way, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:51

And and then like um, like I was looking at this word the other day, manifestly, right? And the way that it was used, I was like, I would not use that word in that way. Can you use it in a sentence?

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Um the sentence something like uh like Owen better manifestly super repost this.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Uh not not like that.

SPEAKER_08 54:18

It was more like in the sense of something being obvious, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:22

Right, right, right, right. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 54:24

And uh like you would say, like patently, you know, or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_08 54:29

Um, and so like like Jordan's especially sounds like an app of like like some kind of law of attraction app where it just like reads affirmations to you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Dude it gives you the spark notes of all those stations.

SPEAKER_08 54:43

That is a fucking million billion dollar idea, right there. Uh just AI to give you the bullet points of your dreams.

Celebrity Faith Apps And Consumer God

SPEAKER_02 54:50

That is a that is a billion-dollar idea. That is a billion-dollar idea right there. Like manifestly, it's like Shopify, but like manifestly, and then it's like because you know there's an app right now.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

It would literally be manifest.ly because you could do that.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

Okay, listen, Cam, you distracted me with this because you know there's an app called uh Halo, right? Yeah, you know about that? You know, Peter Tilb funded that. I'm not fucking surprised. I'm not fucking like the very first time that I saw this app, I was like, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_08 55:23

Like this is like for you, basically.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

It does like, oh yeah. Uh Mitch, have you seen this? Halo?

SPEAKER_01 55:30

I've only heard Tucker and Candace talk about it. I've not looked at it.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

And they're like for it! They're fucking for it! I thought it was a Bible.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

I thought it's Bible.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

How retarded are you guys?

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Like, oh my god. They're literally like sponsoring Candace's show, and she's like funding Peter.

SPEAKER_08 55:47

Literally, okay. Do you ever hear Candace someone's talk shit about Peter 2?

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Um, actually. I feel like that's that's gotta be in the works, or she just doesn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

And she's had she's had Ian Carroll on, and I know he's talked about it, and I know he would like bring it up, but she's clearly not interested in that subject, you know. But um, but what I was gonna say is uh with that app, it's like you know, you got fucking uh who's that guy, Liam Neeson? Is that his name? Is that how you say his name? You got Liam Neeson reading the Bible to you? You you got him, you got the guy who plays Jesus in whatever fucking Jesus Jesus movie, Jesus show, you know, like it's like hold on. Like to me, it's like so obvious. Like you have the actors who play Jesus in a movie or TV show or whatever reading prayers to you, or you know, whatever, and like that makes you feel closer to God. Like, you're just watching a fucking movie. Like, are you like how dumb are you? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Like, oh yes, I get the hollow app because the guy who was I felt the connection that he was Jesus because it's a movie and that's how movies work. Because I saw Jim Cavisel, I don't know which fucking actor they used, but you know, I I know he was Jesus before. Yeah, I saw Jim Cavizel in the movie, and I was like, ah, when I think of Jesus, I think of Jim Cavizel. That's the image that I think of. And so now to have Jim Cavizel actually reading the prayers to me, it's like I have Jesus, and I know it's not actually Jesus, but I feel that way in my heart. It's like, yeah, that's they're fucking playing you. You're like you're getting played. Hello.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

It's like literally, like just like when they were kidding, they had the TV in the bedroom. It's like you got this now on your little phone, and that's how you are interfacing with Jesus, thinking that's how you would connect with Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

It's like it's clearly consumerism, and it's to me.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

Well, I find it funny. You you said the word hollow instead of hollow when you were explaining right there, which is that's literally it's hollow, though.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Yeah, it is it is hollow. It is that that's the purpose of it. But also, it's like when I look at that, I'm like if you were actually really quote unquote reverent, you know, like like if you actually had reverence for the religion that you claim or whatever, how could you not see the the um irreverence of using an app with all these actors and famous people? Mark Wahlberg. It's literally Mark Wahlberg and fucking Liam Leeson.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

I I know how the I I the average person, they're like, wow, that's so cool. These guys who were successful in Hollywood didn't lose their faith. Like that's how they'll justify it.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

But it's so contrived, like it's so forced.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

You know, it's like it I'm I'm like But you want to you want me to listen to the janitor down the street read the Bible to me, Drake, huh? Instead of Paulberg, instead of Ben Diesel driving in a fucking fast Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

Pretending like anybody actually cares about what they believe, like they're actually I know, I know, but they but they pretend like that to my face, you know what I'm saying? Like they pretend so hard to my face, and I'm like, you got the fucking hollow app on your phone. Like, don't fucking talk to me, you know? Like, like, like I don't know. I the you I know you get what I'm saying, but I'm like, I'm at a loss of words here because trying to describe how because retarded care about reality. It's it's such a contradiction. You're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_08 59:33

That's just they just care about the feelings and the image, about yeah, they do not care about reality. And and here maybe I'll just kind of talk about the other point we were going into.

Money As A Unifying Religion

SPEAKER_01 59:42

That makes so much sense, dude. Did you watch like flicked at a deeper level right there?

SPEAKER_08 59:45

Did you watch the Chinaman video, Mitch, about uh money?

SPEAKER_01 59:49

The money to unite them all?

SPEAKER_02 59:52

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

The one that I sent that was like uh uh I've only seen the one where money's uh the religion that united everyone. I didn't see the other one either. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay, that one.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:01

Oh my god, I would I'm gonna describe it for the audience, but I was just wanted to see if you already read that, watched it. Okay, so in the uh Chinaman video, maybe we can post it on the exput page or whatever. Um you worked through all of his videos yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

He has a lot of videos, he's got a good chunk of videos.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:20

I'm always like doing things, and I'm like, okay, maybe I'll listen and I see all these ones and I'm like, I don't need to listen to that. But every time I do, I'm like, it's pretty good, it's got some pretty good stuff in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Christine says uh the Sir Z Sir Isaac Newton one is a good one. Because like he gives it.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:35

Just to be clear for everybody if you have to choose, listen to Equap. Yeah. Right? Like, because if you only listen to stuff from YouTube, you're not getting the actual point. Right. But if you listen to stuff from YouTube and you're not neglecting the equal, let's say, you're getting the context from in the system, and you'll be able to see like how all the equal stuff, like it how it's like you can connect all the dots of what you see in this system and you see how it goes beyond, but then you also see ways of explaining it so that someone who's not already there yet can understand, potentially, or it might just give you even more reassurance because you start going, like, oh fuck, like okay, well, anyways, I'm just I'm just putting that as like a caveat. I wouldn't want someone to be like, Oh, I'm gonna go study the Chinaman's history videos and learn all of the truth about reality. It's like he doesn't know it, like he's putting a lot of a lot of cool points together, but I'm not watching it going like, oh, he's gonna help me figure out the answer to the fucking reality. Like, he he doesn't know, like he it's anyway. So I'm just being clear with everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

That's the point that I was trying to make earlier is like destiny has all of that information, like everything that you actually need to understand.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

Destiny has all the dimensions of it, and what I find is some of these are just deeper on a certain dimension, which can help you kind of see it and talk about it and thus move reality.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:06

Destiny's not always going to go into the details of the thing, so when you watch stuff out here and you're also studying destiny, you start to connect the the you know what I mean? Because you understand now the mechanics of how this thing works, right? But then you can also see the deception in it as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

So it's interesting because the point that I was trying to make is very clearly this um, there would be times when I'm listening to Destiny, like equap audios, or you know, reading a blog, you know, having journeys to life, creation of journeys of life, or listening to Bernard, and I'm confused and I'm like, this, I I don't get it. Like it it didn't make sense to me. Um, it seems like so far out there, like what? Like you're telling me what? And then it'll literally be like you know, years later or whatever that I'm you know watching some mainstream thing and it's breaking down exactly how that thing works, and I'm like, oh shit, it was right. Like it, you know, like I didn't understand that's what was meant here. Like it becomes really clear in a pair.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:08

Right, it's because the context wasn't there, like right.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

But but what I'm saying, yeah, what I'm saying with that is like um I'm just gonna say it this way. There's nothing outside of the material that we have, our curriculum that we have, that you need to study. It's all there, it's all in there. Like now, what does it support, like you're saying, like, yeah, you can go and listen to YouTube after you've listened to this, or you you know, you're actually studying alongside. It gives you more context, it gives you more context. But what I'm saying is all of the information is all unified here within the curriculum that we have, and it's the solution is here as well. No one else out there has a fucking solution, and I'm not saying that in an arrogant way, I'm saying that actually very humbly because uh, you know, it you gotta humble your fucking ego. See what it's gonna take to actually change it, then you know, no one else has a solution.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:07

You actually have to humble your ego to be willing to say I have the solution, exactly. Yeah, yeah, like someone it especially if you realize what is required in this context to say that and to stand for it. Because if you're just a grifter and you're like, Oh, I'm just doing it because I want to create a cult following, you could say that, but it's like the starting point is different, you know. And the starting point with this is no, uh we have to get everybody to stand up as equals. Yeah, so there's no amount of like grifting and getting followers that's going to make a difference in the point.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

The the difference between like the grifters saying it and and us saying it, or or at least one of the differences, is uh oftentimes the solution for them is just like overthrow these guys, like have a revolution, some bullshit like that. That the grifter then doesn't have to take responsibility for, right?

Trinity Confusion And Protestant Anxiety

SPEAKER_08 1:05:00

Whereas what we're saying is we all have to take maximum responsibility, but ultimately the grifter is just trying to entertain to keep a following, so he has a network of people that are just like subscribing to that. That's really right. And and within that, there is no point of a solution, right? Right. Um okay, so going back to the Chinaman thing, like so I was breaking it down to Katie this morning, and I really saw how to like put all these points together. Okay, so in the Chinaman thing, he was talking about money as the as like the unifying religion basically of the world, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:35

Which again, if you study Equap, you'll be like, okay, well, I already know all this. But the way he kind of puts it together puts the points together really interestingly, which is just looking at uh Christianity. Okay. So he makes this point, I think elsewhere in another video, that Christianity is the first monotheistic religion.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

Um I think he's uh he he made a similar Point as well when he was talking about Karl Marx, or as he calls him Karl Marx.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:06

Karl Marx. Uh yeah. And I and at first I didn't see why he would say that, but then if you think about Judaism, it was in the context where you had lots of gods that people worshipped, and you had the Abrahamic Judaism Judaism people who chose this one God, and that God kind of helped them win over the other people. And it's like back then, it's like if you won, like they had to adopt your God. So it was like there'd be like one God over the other. So even though it was like we are choosing this one God and He's the only God, it was more like He's the only God that matters. And the other gods, maybe you would think they're not real or something, but it was still in the context of other gods. And also, even if you accept that God, it's not a universal thing, it's like just this group of people get it, and it only benefits them as this chosen group of people. And the difference with Christianity is it's the God of all reality saying, I'm embracing all of reality, and everything is underneath me and now, and everything is a part of it. That's kind of the idea with Christianity, right? It's like saving all of humanity, all of reality. So, and then he makes this point that the problem is when you have Christianity, you've got the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, okay? And you've got the Father, which is the creator of all reality, you've got the Son, which is his son that he sent to earth to also participate in being a man, although this person also existed since the beginning of time. And then you also have the Holy Spirit, which is another distinct entity or person as they call it. So you have these three persons that are all one God. Okay, and I remember even sitting in Catholic school when I was in high school, sitting in I had to go through four years of different classes of Catholicism and Catechism and fucking the history of the church. And we had one class where we literally read through every single page of the Bible. Like that was one of my like one semester, right? Um sounds like fun. So I'm saying I remember sitting there going, This none of this makes sense. Like I can't wrap my head around it. And I wasn't ever a Christian or a Catholic or a believer in God, so it wasn't like I struggled with it. It was just like, Okay, this doesn't make sense, you know, and all you people are acting like you believe in it. And all of a sudden at my school, not everybody had to be Catholic. So I was there because it was like a good, quote, good private school, but it was also a Catholic school, right? So, anyway, so you try to wrap your mind around this concept, and as the Chinaman points out, he's like, You can't, you literally cannot, you cannot wrap your mind around the fact that it's three persons, but it's one God, and that's the father, but also his son. Like, it's so logically incoherent, and he's like, from the perspective of like, my phone can't be here and not here, right? It's like I think Aristotle calls the law of the excluded middle. You can't be a and not a. So that's how our minds work, you can't fathom it. That doesn't mean it's not real, per se. It's just like obviously our mind can't comprehend it. So, what am I supposed to say? Oh, that's a mystery, right? How does it work? I just can't know. Okay, but then if the whole idea is that you have to believe it to benefit from it, that's a problem, right? So his point is the whole reason you have the Catholic Church is because it gives you all these things that you can participate in that are more the basis of your qualification for being saved. So they call it faith in works. But when you think of works, I think most people think it means you're like a good person, but that's not what they mean in the Catholic Church by works. I'm not saying they would explicitly say you don't have to be a good person and do good things, but when they're talking about works, they explicitly mean like participating in the sacraments, going to communion, going to church, at least on like the feast day, the holy feast days, if not every Sunday, um uh not doing certain mortal sins, like baptizing your child, getting your first uh uh there's like there's reconciliation, there's all these different sacraments, and these are the things you can participate in and do, which uh obviously keeps you involved in the church, but that are like so you don't have to really wrestle with like think about like this. If all it was was I just have to believe in this thing, you're fucked, because you can't, you literally cannot, like your logical mind will not allow you to believe it because it doesn't make sense. Well, you just have to have faith, sure, but the whole time you're still doubting it and you're like, I know I don't fully believe it, so I have to trick myself into thinking I believe it, but I know I don't. So so the Catholic Church gives you all these things, it serves as that intermediary where it's like you don't have to fully believe it, it's okay, you can't, but if you do these things and then you say you believe, it's like that's good, right? And then his whole point was the problem with that in his story, we're just talking about in the history of the context of the system as we understand it from the inside. In in the history of Christianity, somebody came along and was like, Hey, there's so much corruption in the church, and it's so easy to abuse your position of power, like you're a priest, you're a bishop, you're the pope, whatever. You know, they sold indulgences at one point, like you literally buy your way into heaven, essentially, right? Um so they started challenging that, and then you know, you have like Martin Luther and these people, right? The 95 Theses and all that kind of stuff, right? And you have people saying, like, you know what? I don't think you need a church to into mediate in between you and God. I think all you need to do is just read the Bible and and believe it. Okay, so now a person says, I'm the very first Protestant. Okay, so imagine back in the day, first Protestant, you're rejecting the authority of the church because you're like, I don't that's this all corrupt. I see the corruption, I see the hypocrisy. Why do I need to do all that shit? Because it seems like you're telling me to go to confession so that you can have some gossip about me, so you can like blackmail me later, or you know, whatever, right? So you can't trust the institution anymore. So now you're like, okay, so I'm not gonna I I can't use that. I have to use my faith to justify if I'm saved. So what is it I'm supposed to believe? Let me actually read the Bible myself, okay? Not just go to church and the priest tells me what's in it. Okay. This Trinity thing. What the fuck is that? It doesn't make any sense. And then you're like, well shit. I was supposed to believe this. There's no other way to be saved other than believing this, but I can't make myself believe it. It doesn't make sense. I want to believe it, but I can't. Like there's a little doubt in my mind of like, I literally can't fucking uh accept that this makes sense logically. You see what I'm trying to say? I want to believe it emotionally, but logically I can't accept it. So it's like a crisis of faith. Like, how do I know if I really believe? Because I know I don't, but I want to. So it creates in the context of what he was this the Chinese professor guy was saying, it's creates this anxiety where you're like constantly, like, I don't know if I'm saved or not. And then through the evolution of the belief systems, you have something like Calvinism and all these predetermination and all this stuff, where they're like, Okay, look, here's how it works in the beginning of time, God made everything and he already predetermined who's gonna be in heaven. So, yes, you have to believe, but there's nothing you can do to make yourself believe. You either believe or you don't. If you believe, it's a sign you're going to heaven. If you don't, you're probably one of the ones who's fucked. It's because you're almost like going backwards back to the point it was just for a few chosen people. So you see, it starts introducing new contradictions, right? And I'm not saying that the Chinese guy necessarily is saying this all happened consciously, but the evolution of it is it's like you needed a way to unify everybody because none of these belief systems really fully worked in terms of really getting everybody fully on board, you know what I mean? Like, okay, because think about it. Did Catholicism as a belief system work with unifying everybody? No, it didn't, even though the name Catholic means universal, the idea was that it would get everybody, but it didn't work because then it was like the Lutherans came in, and then and then even that, there's like a thousand different types of Christianity because every time you question something, you get a whole new branch of a solution, but then there's more questions, and then you get another branch and another branch. So you needed something unifying, right? And you have Islam, but then there's obviously a lot of problems with that too, like we've talked about. But here's the thing is his point. The unifying thing that comes in, whether you're a Catholic, a Muslim, a Buddhist, whether you're any different branch of Christianity, um, it the unifying thing is money. So money was introduced as a point of because okay, now let's look at destiny perspective. What is the point of religion? Isn't it just to keep you locked into channeling energy to God? Which you would understand is on who standing as the point of s the point in the system where all the energy flows to. So on Earth, you need everybody on the same page to keep that system going. So at a certain point, it's like, okay, we don't really need religion. We've talked about this before, but let's just move to money. Money is much more it's just more like a directly obvious point of it's just energy. And he also makes this point about the the Trinity being like a symbol, but it's both nothing and everything at the same time. Nothing means a symbol, it's not a real thing, and yet it is representing something that ultimately is reality itself. Isn't that what money is? Because like it's not real. And yet it's everything. Like if you don't have it, you're screwed. If you have it, you can do whatever you want. You could have the biggest blaboo-boo collection on the planet if you just have enough money. Biggest collection? You don't know about little boo yet? I'll tell you about laboo boo later.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

Okay, so it's it's Pokemon for women.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:52

It's ba yeah, it's Pokemon for Asian women, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:56

Um This is why you need more money so you can buy that shit.

Money Replaces Meaning In Work

SPEAKER_08 1:15:59

You need the laboo boo's so okay. So I'm trying to think if I get any context on that point. The money point is really okay, because his point was the whole idea is like you have all these different people with different sort of starting points and perspectives in terms of what they like, what they want to do. Like he used the analogy of school. Like everybody's in a school. This person might be there because they just want to learn. This person might be there because they just um want to socialize. This person might be there because they just want to get a good job. Like, you have different reasonings for why you're there. Same thing with Christianity, different religions and everything, right? So you have money which unifies everybody under a common purpose. It's almost like a common language. You can have no language between people, but you can walk in the store and pay money and receive the product. You know what I mean? Um but then what happens is it it all becomes only about that. To the point where no one actually cares about their original thing that they were caring about, they just care about the money now. It's like you're a you're a chef and you love making food, so you start a restaurant, right? But then to pay people enough money, you gotta keep expanding. So then you gotta start thinking about how to finance things, and then you gotta think about I gotta lower the cost of my ingredients so I can do this and do that, and then suddenly, before you know it, you're like a billionaire. But your food is terrible now. It's like you lost track of the reason you were doing it in the first place, right? And this kind of goes into the Marxism stuff of like how you're alienated from your labor because of money, right? Like you go, let's say you're a person who makes chairs, like you're a craftsman, you make these beautiful chairs that are really comfortable and beautiful and just amazing. And you you doing it, you're doing it for yourself. You can sell the chair or not. If you make a bunch of chairs and you could decide, you know what, I'm gonna give away some of these chairs, I'm gonna keep some for my family. But if you work in a chair factory assembling the chairs, do you get to keep the chairs for yourself? You don't. Who gets to keep the chairs? Yeah, the factory or whoever's the owner of the shareholders, etc., right? The corporation. So the point being, you are the one doing the labor, but you're alienated from it because you can't even stack it up for your own use. Somebody else stacks it up, and then they can leverage that. So now all you do is make the chairs and you get paid for it. You don't give a fuck about the chairs.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

I saw this. Uh you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:22

Like the craftsman is no longer in the picture. Like, you totally everything is just about the money. Like the person running the factory, the person making the chair. Do you see what I'm saying? It's only becomes about just the pursuit of the money itself.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

I saw this video on uh this uh old 1990s uh Disney training staff video, right? And uh they were it was for like if you're working in one of their retail stores, and uh the video was basically like uh this woman comes up to the the staff worker there and she's like, Hey Tyrone, she it's a white woman speaking to a black guy, right? It's like hey Tyrone, um I'm going to get this tigger jacket and um you're gonna check me out, right? And and give it to me on your discount, right? And he's like, No, I I can't do that. No, um you you're gonna have to buy it full price. And she's like, What? Come on, like we're friends, like you know, just hook it up on your discount. And he's like, No, I can't do that. And like he calls someone over, right? Like with using like a secret sign, he calls someone over, and uh he's like, Hey, uh this person would like to check out with their this and buy this jacket, and uh maybe you can help them. And she's looking at him, giving him this side eye. It's like, what the fuck, dude? And all the comments, and like you know, then they have you know the person come in and like Tyrone did the right thing. You can't use your actual training video? Yeah, this actual training video. It's like Tyrone did the right thing. You can't use your discount for uh other people only for your uh own items of what you're gonna buy for yourself, blah blah blah. Uh and like all the comments are like Tyrone, she's gonna be waiting for you at church. Like, what the fuck? There's like other videos where it's like uh they just have a whole bunch of people come in and like try to do a uh a shoplifting thing where it's like a group of people and it's like see Tyrone's friends you want to let her find out of this guy later. You're gonna hear uh oh uh I'm just calling because I got terrible service from this black man Tyrone and he was I saw the ceiling. I saw and then Tyrone gets you know he doesn't get the discount anymore, he doesn't have a job anymore. It was just like you know, going all the way with it, right? But I I just thought that was funny because it's like uh oh the main comment was yes, you should not save your friend a few dollars, and instead you need to save all that money for this billion dollar corporation, right? And and it's the same point, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:06

It's like but it's a company's training video, so of course they don't want you of course giving everyone the discount. Obviously, and and then the point there is why do they have employee discounts? Yeah, it's like almost so they won't have a fucking Marxist, you know, like unionized whatever. It's like oh, you're getting the so it's like you're alienated from your labor, how about an employee discount?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:28

Right?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:28

So obviously none of these concepts we're talking about are new. It's so fascinating though, because when you're reading about when you're reading like Marx or any of this kind of stuff or learning about it, you're like, all this was happening in like the fucking 1800s. And and that's I already fucking knew all this was a problem that long ago, and we're still fucking arguing about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:47

And that's what we were talking about earlier, where it's just like, okay, if you could read, you would be able to see all this stuff and put it together for yourself to today and go, hey, hey, um this has been a problem for the at least, at the very least, the last 200 years. This has been an issue. It's like that Philip K.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:10

Dick, where he's it's like the story is that we're still living in ancient Rome, but it's like this veil has been put over us, so we're actually living in the ancient Roman times. Oh wow, after like Jesus died or something like that, but like we think we're in the future, but it's the same shit. Wow, you know, it's like literally the same pattern repeating again, right? And uh, but what happens is every time the idea of revolution starts to come up, the system can't allow that, so it like has to evolve to get more control, yeah, and to skip forward, like this is why we keep talking about this is the whole point of the AI, right? Like the real point of the AI power is to lock everybody down, yeah. Where it's like you're just constantly being entertained by your own, you know, like what makes you excited if while you don't question anything, and it can monitor everybody and make sure like it knows if anyone's gonna like rebel.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:08

If you're listening right now, take heed because all the things that that we've talked about before, it's like it's it's not just like oh, this is just some random speculation just that you guys randomly came to, you know, that maybe fits your agenda. No, it's literally like uh okay, if you were able to understand all of the context of all of the history from before, and you could process that information and see the pattern and how it's playing out, that's where we're going. Like it's as clear as day. Dude, I remember it's so funny because like at first these things sound controversial, you know, and then it's like remember um remember back when I I think it was like when uh the Clintons were in office, I or or maybe maybe slightly awkward, I don't know, but I remember it was like there was a a push for um gay marriage, right? And acceptance of gays and everything. And I remember people saying, next thing you know, people are gonna wanna like guys are gonna want to be girls and girls are gonna want to be guys, and you know, they're gonna be doing surgeries, and like that just seems so far-fetched. Like, come on, like, like and it's almost offensive. If you're the average person, it's almost offensive, or it is offensive hearing somebody say that like come on, like you're you're so over the top, like you're so ridiculous. And then the next thing you know, they're fucking telling you, like, you're being offensive for not going along with the transition.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:43

The argument, well, one of the arguments, the main ones, was if you allow this gay thing to keep going, eventually you're gonna be at some point justifying pedophilia.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:53

And then it's like, you're trying to say all gay people are pedophiles, and it's like, no, that's not really the argument, but you could see how it's like a domino. Right, right. And I'm like, look at where we're at now. Let's assume just what we know has been said, which is that Epstein, the files are just a bunch of pedophilia, right? Even if it's just him. That's kind of like the only explicit thing that the government has said, as far as I know. Well, and isn't Trump being like, hey, quit talking about Epstein, quit talking about it's like isn't it like we're literally at the point where we're like literally defending like mass pedophilia now? Right, yeah, it's literally okay. So go back to the money thing, right? Yeah, the point there is now you're only focused on money. Right? And that is your way of stating off your anxiety of do I believe in God or not, to the point where who do you actually listen to? You listen to Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, whoever, even somebody who like doesn't kind of like things they do, you still look up to those people and feel like they're better than you and more powerful and so forth. And it's just because they've made a lot of money, even though you don't understand the details of what they did to make it or how the system really works, it's like money is the most important thing. And it's like if I have lots of money, it's because I'm blessed by God. And if I don't have a lot of money at some level, it's because I suck, and I don't have enough faith in God in some way. It's like it's like a deep unconscious point. But it's like if I if I trusted God, I would be blessed, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:30

Even the people who are not religious have this same programming, you know. If you don't have enough money, it's on some level you suck. It's you, you're the problem. That's what the boomers would say, right? You gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps, right?

Billionaires And The Investment Story

SPEAKER_08 1:26:44

I don't even have bootstraps. Um, let me show you this. Okay, so I saw this Bill Ackman, right? Billionaire guy, he's the guy who's like our Harvard has too much anti-Semitism. He was the always pushing that stuff, right? Whenever those those protests at Columbia and stuff, he was like calling everybody, like, hey, gotta arrest these kids, right? Yeah, so totally pro, let's just say Zionist Israel, whatever, he's Jewish, right? And he's complaining that Tucker Carlson went on a rant at TPSA, suggested that he was in the Jeffrey Epstein's constellation of people, getting away with scams. He said his evidence is that most useless people have no actual skills, become billionaires. He referred to me as an example of one of the most useless billionaires in Jeffrey Epstein's constellation. Um can you answer the question about Bill Macman got 9 billion? Bill Eckman, a pretty impressive guy. I know him. No, blah blah blah. Okay. He's he's he's likely well connected, super aggressive. That's it. I think well connected, super aggressive people deserve a fair life from everybody else, but if you were accruing nine billion dollars just because you're willing to do anything, I don't know how to pretend that it's good. Okay. So then he goes on to tell his whole life story. Okay, to defend himself. And look at this. Because he says first of all, I don't care about the Epstein stuff. He says, um here's here's here's how he generated the net worth nine billion. He inherited good genes. From wonderful parents who instill instilled good values. Okay? I never received an allowance. I worked odd jobs washing and waxing cars, blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, till he was 10. Fine. But notice this part. My parents gave me a huge head start by paying for my education, college, business, school, paid for my housing. Great. I learned a lot about sales working in a basement of a dorm. Smiling. Smiling. Smiling. Smiling and dialing. Smiling and dialing. He went to work for his dad's real estate mortgage brokerage company, received 40,000, blah blah blah. He became like the top salesperson, blah blah blah. Okay. His dad gave him$100,000 in a trust, which he didn't count as part of his net worth. My good economic fortune comes largely from compounding. That is investing over the long term and building a successful investment business. I started a hedge fund called Gotham Partners. Um, I guess you'd call me aggressive, but I wasn't well connected. He cold called people. The problem is maybe you're super rich people. Maybe you're not well connected. Right. Um so he gives the whole story about he invested this, and then he didn't his dad wouldn't invest, and then he called this guy and got the money and did the investment and bought the CDs, and then he went over here and he invested in this, and then he invested in that, and then they made this company, and then he launched that, and then they got funding, and then they invested in this and invested that and then invested and then he invested and then invested, and then he invested. Uh investors, investment, shareholders, investing, uh, investments. Okay. So all he ever actually did. I'm not saying it's not doing something. Like he has to get up, he has to put on his suit, he has to go to work, he has to drive in traffic, he has to call people. I'm not saying he's not doing anything, he's not fundamentally doing something different than somebody who works in a in an office or works in a factory, although maybe it's more physically, you know, like you he wouldn't want to work in a factory all his life, right? Um, but all he's really fundamentally doing is moving money from here to there to there to there. That's it. So if somebody were to complain about the system, because I think if you go read the whole thing, he's basically like, you might say I didn't provide any value to this world, but it's like, I doubt that the companies that I saved and helped get out of bankruptcy and so forth would it would agree with you, right? And in other words, though, it's people that are doing what he's doing that are making the system run. And they use this idea of like, if it wasn't for people like me, none of these people would have money. But all you did was move money from here to there. You didn't create any money yourself, you just moved it around by getting people to trust you that you would know what to do to make more money in the system.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:13

Yeah.

Debt Money And Interest Trap

SPEAKER_08 1:31:14

But notice how he says he has a good genius. Yeah. And I'm not trying to make it like a racial racial point. It's just what can I say? It's like if you look at the system itself, the money system, right? Where does the money come from? It just comes from a loan. Right? All money comes from a loan. Now you can say, like, well, it's backed by gold and this and that. But the I think the reason why the gold point is relevant is just because which it's not backed by gold anymore, but even back then when it was, the idea there, although it's ironic when you study destiny and you learn about gold and all this, right? But the idea there in the system is that if you're backing it by gold, then there's a finite amount, which means you can't just keep printing more forever. Right. So people would trust that currency, but then they go off of that standard to the point where now they can literally just print money for anything they want. How do they justify printing money now? Is there's immigration, we need more money for ICE. There's Ukraine, we need more money for weapons. There's Israel getting attacked by Iran, we need more money for weapons. So it's like there's COVID. Yeah, exactly. We could justify printing money because there's some problem here. But that money is printed at interest, right? And so when you look at it from that perspective, you're like, but they don't print the money for the interest, right? I mean, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I've never seen anyone ever explain this point. Dude, you know what? I can't wait to get to this guy because he's he makes the same point when he's talking about God. I will get to it. But he's like, all the smart people in the world, the all these intellectuals, it's weird how they've looked over these glaring contradictions about belief in God.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:12

And it's like, yeah, that is weird, right? But but here's the point though why are they over like you don't have to be a rocket scientist once you realize it, like, that the money system can't be sustainable because you can never pay the interest. Because the money comes from a loan, it's not actual physical money sitting there somewhere. You see what I'm saying? You created it, but when you created it, it was based on a debt that requires interest to be paid. And then you take that and you loan it out at more interest and higher interest and higher interest. So that at the end of the day, the person at the end of it has to pay back way more money than is than even exists. Like, not maybe themselves individually, but everybody collectively has to pay more money than exists. Like, if I if if if$10 is printed and I have to pay$11, and then I loan$10 to you, Mitch, and you have to pay me$30. How does that make sense? You're screwed, Mitch. And then I realized I realized the point. Because I watched this video of this this this plumber guy, I think I sent it to you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like talking about how he's like a prompt plumber's apprentice, and he was get kind of like exposing the fact that these tradespeople there they don't actually have good lives and careers. They some of them make decent money. He's like, but it's it's a shitty field to be in, basically, in the trades. And he gave all the reasons why and like the culture and all this stuff. But he's like this guy who would come to the work sites, and he was just like the guy running the development real estate company and managing things. He's like, all he did was talk. He never actually did any of the plumbing or that stuff, right? And he's like, but he was loaded, and he was like, at some point, the guy was saying something about he was asking him a question to this guy about um trying to remember what the did you watch that one?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said like there that a lot of people were a bunch of suckers, and he was like, Well, why wasn't what was the question in a second? Or was he just saying he didn't say the question, he was just like like they were in a conversation and he said it was in reference to um a bunch of people who end up basically like uh they're doing he was saying that they're doing a bunch of work, but they're not getting paid really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:26

Oh, and he was also talking about the dishonesty where like uh you know they would charge for a dollar a piece that costs a dollar that maybe is something a person, if they knew how to do it, could install it in five minutes. They'd charge you like$300, but only 20 of that would go to the plumber. So the company, it's kind of the whole Marxist thing, right? Right. Right. So he was just saying, like, they're totally exploited. It's not actually best for anybody involved except the person who's making the money at the top of it, right? Right. Um, and then yeah, and then the point was he was saying there's like suckers, yeah. He also has used the word losers as well, maybe. I feel like he said losers.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:00

Uh he might have used losers, but he definitely said suckers. Yeah. And then he realized, like, wait a minute, I'm one of these suckers. Am I one of the suckers?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:08

Right? And and I was thinking about the context of suckers, losers, right? Because the money system, if you look at it, it doesn't make sense. And I'm like, but at the end of the day, everyone's gonna be a loser, right? And it's like, no, here's how it works. Because, like, okay, let me put it this way if everybody was a winner, okay. When I say like a winning attitude, a winning genetics, winning knowledge, winning skills, right? If everybody was a winner, would the system I just described work?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:43

No, and in fact, you know, when you say that, you know, the image that comes to my mind is um Troy, right? You've got Hector versus uh uh what's his name? Achilles, right? Right? Do I have that right? Hector versus Achilles? I don't know. Let's say, let's say that's the that's who who is the battle was against. I I forget the details. But yeah, when they describe the battle, it's like, you know, these are there's two heroes. Um you know what I'm thinking of, actually, I'm thinking of uh Otherland. I'm thinking of Otherland, how it's described.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:20

I'm trying to remember the Battle of Troy based on Otherland described. Right, right, right. Um last chapter.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:31

You better fucking read them. Yeah. Uh but you know, they're they're talking about like these heroes that are clashing into battle, and how when they're in battle against each other, they have reverence for each other. Like, oh wow, you can fight too. Like, this is amazing. And the only reason why that's relevant is because there's a whole bunch of little people like they can just crush with ease, you know? Yeah, there's a whole bunch of like uh like the reason why this is an epic hero is because there's thousands of you know, other soldiers, warriors, whatever you lay people, whatever you want to call them, they send them they all get like massacred, and then that's like the real battle is between these two guys, right? Right.

Game Theory And Elite Cooperation

SPEAKER_08 1:38:16

Um, I watched this other video the other day, I didn't send it to you, but it was like about game theory, and it was from like Grim. The channel's like Grim Hustle or something, some Russian thing I'd never seen before. But it's like really well produced, and it's like this old Russian dude talking to a younger guy telling him like the truth about how the world works and stuff, right? And he's talking about game theory and the idea of the prisoner's dilemma and the best game theory strategy, and it's like it's called he calls it um tit for tat, where it's like the prisoner's dilemma is like you're both in a room, and I'm like, if you tell on the other person, I'm gonna give you a dollar. Uh no, what is it? I'm gonna give you I I forget the exact details. You can look it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:57

Is it you they reduce the sentence or something?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:59

No, it's like if you tell well, yeah, but I'm saying they play with money, right? So it's like they did an experiment with it, right? It's like if you tell on if you snitch on the other person, you get three dollars, if they don't snitch on you or something like that. But if you both snitch, if you snitch, you only get a dollar. You get a dollar if you snitch, you get three dollars. If you do if you don't switch don't snitch. Trying to remember the actual details of it. Anyways, you could go look it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:29

So this is like basically those games that they play where they're like, all right, so uh there's a million dollars. If uh you both press the button, neither of you get money. If one of you press the button, it's like you get money if you do not. Oh, okay. It was like if you snitch that is a Mr. Beast video.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:48

I'm man, I'm trying to remember. It's like if you if need if you don't, if you if neither of you snitch, you both get a dollar. But if you snitch another one, doesn't you get three or something like that. And the whole strategy they suggested, what Mr.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:01

Beast is just like reading through these different philosophy, these theories, like, oh prisoner's dilemma. Oh, we can make a game out of that.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:08

That's a business. Um that's that's a game. That's a that's an episode. But the idea was the best long-term strategy they said was you you trust each other, like you assume that they're benevolent, you assume they're gonna go with you, so you get the three dollars, and the moment they go against you, you go against them. But then the next time, if they don't, you don't. So it's like you only punish if they did something bad to you, otherwise, you forgive. Punish, forgive. It's called tit for tat, right? And then that's the the that's the best uh strategy in for making money long term, yeah, in the prisoner's dilemma. They they tested apparently all the different strategies, they had competitions about all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:42

So I've seen that.

TikTok Ad Machine And Addiction

SPEAKER_08 1:40:43

So, but then like as they keep talking in the conversation, they're making this point about like it's it's a not it's a it's it's actually a non-zero sum game, and how making money is a non-zero sum game, and like like wealthy people don't play zero sum games, is the point. And there's like this question of like, but isn't the money system a zero-sum game though? And he's like, for everybody else it is for the losers, for the poor people, you know, the not extremely wealthy people, it is a zero-sum game. But for the people playing at the top, they're actually playing a cooperate, they're playing a competitive game with each other, but it's like a tit for tat. It's not a zero-sum game from their perspective. They're all trying to make money. The only reason I'm gonna fuck you is if you fuck me. And I will fuck I will hit you back and to show you I'm not gonna allow it. And then, you know, it's you kind of if you watch Trump, you see that's actually what he's doing with like the tariffs and all these things. He's playing that game, which means he's not playing for everybody else. You can see he's playing that's that's what the fucking Epstein thing is all about, from my perspective. It's just telling all of his friends, like, hey, see, look, I'm not gonna hit you. See, you didn't hit me, you you let me do the tariffs, you let me do that. I'm not gonna hit you. There's no there's no list, you know. Like, that's what it looks like to me, right? Like, I'm not because he's like, look, all you fucking losers, what does it matter to you if you get Epstein or not Epstein? I'm trying to make money here. We're all trying to make money, it's going great. America's back on track, we're doing this and that. Like, fuck off with your Epstein bullshit. This is the this you're playing a zero-sum game. You're playing like a winner takes all, you either get the Epstein or you don't crash the system. Like, he's like, I'm not playing that game. We got our little system up here, we're all good. You people will get the scraps. Like, that is really actually the mentality of the top elite, right? So, um it that I just wanted to make that point about the game theory where it's like he makes the point in this video explicitly that it's it is a because I'm immediately I'm like, but it is a zero sum game. It's like, yeah, only the point being this the system I described of debt and so forth doesn't make sense. You how can everybody win? It's like as long as there's perpetually a group of losers who get the brunt of the loss, and that there's the group of winners that always because here's the other point. What if there was only winners? Would they agree to play the game I described of of debt based on interest? No, why would any why would any of them agree to that play that game if they're like no, we all want to win, and I'm not gonna play a game where I can't always win at some level. Why would they play that game? They'd be like, that game makes no sense. Yeah, it's not sound economically. They're like, oh, but there's a whole masses of people that we can just push off the loss onto, and then when it gets too too unstable, we'll just fucking do a war. Fuck it. So, like, that's the reality of how it works. Okay, so that's another piece of the puzzle. I watched this video I sent you guys about this woman who worked at TikTok. She worked there at 2020 to 2021 and around that time, and she said initially she got the job because she had a job. This one seemed better. She didn't know anything about TikTok at the time. She had to like go on the app and look at it before the interview, so she knew nothing about it. Um, she got the job and she was helping develop all the systems around selling ads on TikTok in America. So she was helping them monetize in America, basically. She's American, and so it was a remote job. She said she really liked it. It was fun, creative, like you know, had a good environment with her coworkers. It was a good job from all that perspective. The money was decent, stuff like that. At a certain point, um, and and she also worked within actually selling the ads, like calling companies and selling them on why they should put their ad money into TikTok and stuff, right? And so at a certain point, she even decided, you know what? I'm gonna get more into TikTok. I'm gonna use it myself more. I'm even gonna make content. So she would at a certain point she was making content. She said she was eating, sleeping, breathing TikTok. She's like, if I dreamed at night, it would be about TikTok. Whether it was like work, something about TikTok, some trend in TikTok, some song, whatever. It was like all she was doing was going to work, getting off, relaxing, scrolling TikTok, jumping on a trend, making some videos. That was her life. And um, she said she had a few things go a little bit viral, and then she started getting a little bit, you know, like micro famous on TikTok, and then she started experiencing the part where you get the stalkers being like, Oh, I'm gonna come where you live because they see the coffee shop you're at, and I'm gonna come meet you or something. And she's like, Oh, this is weird, right? So I'm kind of just trying to give you guys a thumbnail. But basically, that was the first part where I think she was like, uh, I need to step back from this a little bit. I'm sharing too much. Like, maybe I don't want to be like an influencer, I just want to like watch the trends or something, you know. So she started stepping back a little bit, and then because she was stepping back, she started noticing all of the issues, like cognitive issues, like she can't remember shit, her pants' attention span's not very good. Um, she started realizing when she would go to parties, she wouldn't know the memes anybody was talking about. She was starting to have FOMO, like all these negative effects. And she was like, Oh fuck, I'm addicted to this thing. This thing is highly addictive. I'm at work selling people on an extremely addictive in a negative way thing. And she's like, um, you know, I'm the what I'm selling is hey, come put your ad money here because we have 180 million daily users, and it's it's it's so nobody wants to leave the app. Like they would spend an hour and a half was the average use time per day, and she's like, This is five to ten to twenty second videos, an hour and a half of that. And she so she was kind of seeing like there's something not right about this, yeah, and then she was like, That's when I decided I can't do it anymore. Like, I can't sell this because I'm actually selling something that's not good, it's bad, it's addictive, it's not good. And when I heard that, I'm like, So, this whole time you were selling that, and you never questioned it. That's like I don't know how to what's the best story to explain this, but it's like imagine you're you come up, you see somebody doing something, they're like, What are you doing? They're like, Oh, I'm just putting these pieces together. Like, what are you making? They're like, I'm not really sure. It's something like a bomb or something. Like a bomb, like it blows stuff up, yeah, something like that. Like, oh, I think those things are used to kill people. Yeah, I I heard something like that, maybe. Yeah, I think you might be, I'm not sure. But they just keep going back to work on it, and you're like, but then one day they realize because like a bomb blows up and kills somebody they love, and they're like, Oh my god, this is what I've been doing the whole time. I'm like, so you literally don't care what you're doing, you're not doing something and thinking about why you're doing it, what you're creating, what's the consequence of what you're creating, what's the purpose of it, how does it fit in, how do things work? Why, you know what I mean? Like, it's why? Because going back to the Chinaman stuff, you don't have to. Because what you're really only thinking about is money, even if you're not doing it to get rich, it's like it justifies I just have a job. Like, you could literally, you could, I'm sure there's some way you can make a story where someone is actually basically being a psychopathic serial killer. Like, that's the effect of what they're doing, but it's like their job, so it's okay. That's how I think of like building fucking bombs and shit. Like, you're literally like murdering people. Like, well, not me. I mean, it's just my job. And it's like, so we have this religion where it's like I'm excused of whatever the consequence is, as long as it's in the service of money, right? It's like it's like a subconscious, unconscious thing. But then she has until you have that personal existential crack where you're like, ah, something's not, it's like it starts affecting her life negatively, and then she's like, What's going on here? And then you're like, Oh fuck, what am I doing? And this is what the money system is preventing us, along with the idea of God from seeing.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:44

Like, okay, just look at that point of like, whatever you do, as long as it's in the service of money, it's okay. But it otherwise it would be questioned. Uh, OnlyFans, you know, being uh a fucking you know, whore, you know, on the street is like, whoa, what the fuck are you doing? But if it's like, oh, you're doing it to survive, to make money, that even is accepted.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:07

What you know, what was Scott Adams saying as to a reasonable reason why Trump shouldn't, you know, let's just trust him. It's for money. The only reason we should trust him in this moment is if we assume literally it's an earth-shattering revelation, otherwise, it's just a crime and we should be allowed to know. So the only reason we should trust him is if it's a real big fucking problem. So, why do we want to protect that? Because Scott Adams, probably a lot of his money is tied up in the stock market, right? And investments, and so it's like, guys, let's not bring down the system, which I'm not saying we should. It's just you see, like, it's not a defense of like, hey, we need to change the system. It's like, look, okay, so it's a gigantic network where the whole thing is based on. Like blackmail and and and terrible things, but we've got to keep it going.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:04

And the crazy thing about that is like Scott Adams thinks he's gonna die in like the next month or so, you know?

SPEAKER_08 1:50:09

Like yeah, he might as well be like bring it, which it wouldn't be good if that happened. No, but in lieu of that, it's like now shouldn't you be thinking, okay, so this is not a good situation, but if it all hinges upon at some point everybody potentially being exposed, this is not sustainable. Like, isn't that what Scott Adams is implying? He actually is saying that he believes that that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:34

It's the same thing that Adam from PBD was saying, right? Is like, hey, you know, uh I'm the whole thing to crash down at what cost? Right. It's like, dude, what you're literally saying with that is you're saying you want kids to be, you know, exploited.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:50

You have a lifestyle that you recognize may possibly be financed by that, right? You're okay with it, right? Because you want to go out and like drink and hold at the club. Like, what are you talking about? What it makes no fucking sense. You see, it only see because there's a there's a group that's the winners. It's like, hey, I work hard, I have a positive mindset, I it's like I'm a winner, I've got the good genes, I'm blessed by God. So it's like you actually believe there's a reality where you're allowed to accept this so you can have this, and that God exists in that equation, and you don't get punished ever for it. That's what you think. Like, unfortunately, uh like unfortunately, we all have to go to hell so that you can fucking wake up because I can't accept the reality where that's the fucking case.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:42

They don't realize that the God that they serve or believe that they serve is evil, like they their whole idea is evil, or maybe they do or don't, but all the losers still think it's about good and evil, dude. Okay, think about this. So, you know, we were talking about this this point of like if heaven was a five-star hotel, nobody would go, right? That's a phrase that uh the Chinaman was saying. Um, because he's like, the the lure of heaven is to be close to God, right? They want to be near God.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:19

That's actually why they want to be in heaven, is to be close to God, not because they actually, you know, it kind of explains any cult. It's like you just want to be near the leader, you don't actually want to do anything, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

And so then doesn't that kind of also make sense of like you know, if you if you were to buy into the story of the devil being cast out, why why would all those angels follow the devil? Because they see the devil, you know, in the in that story as God, right? As the cult leader, right, exactly, and they want to be near him, right? So they don't care. It's like you it actually would clear up the confusion of that story, if it were, you know, uh as it said.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:03

Um, but it would clear up like when Satan is in hell, is it hot to him? Right, is he constantly in pain? Or is he like, I'm loving this, this is awesome. If so, we gotta rethink the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:21

Yeah, yeah. Like a sauna.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:24

I'm gonna say, like, it it should be that the devil rebelled from God and he's constantly in torment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much so that you would think he'd be like immediately, dude, fuck this, back with you, God.

unknown 1:53:36

Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:36

Instead, it's like, no, it's actually possible to be away from God and totally have a fucking killer life. That's what it's like. Like he's like a metalhead, you know, where they just like they love dark shit and they love like painting.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:46

It seems like he's having a lot of fucking fun. He likes the ambience of like gonna fucking wager with God against fucking Job and shit like that. It's like this guy seems to be enjoying.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:57

Doesn't that make it seem like he's right about it not being actually monotheistic? Right, like the pre-Jesus level of of of God and all that, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:05

Right, right. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:07

So I I gotta jump here, but keep going. I'll be listening in. I will even see how to super repost.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:14

Don't know how to do this, but I think I think it's like a special thing that um only Keith has access to. Um apparently, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:20

Cool, yeah, keep keep going. All right, yeah, we'll see you guys.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:24

If you're listening, repost the stream, please, because it'll help. Actually, I don't know why it fucking matters. It doesn't matter, but yeah, it it feels good like to be like, I'm doing it for these numbers. These numbers are going up. I love it. I love watching numbers go up.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:37

I just love watching numbers go up.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:39

Um, I thought that was the purpose of numbers, just to watch them go up. Just man. Oh man.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:46

Uh, I'm trying to think if there's any other points I was gonna make about that. I I think that was kind of the the basic to go back to the Bill Ackman thing. It's like you see how you connect all these points, right? Go back to the the God in the state thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:58

Because you said something about that the other day that I was like oh oh oh the quote that he has, the quote that he has, like all that stuff to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:07

Okay, here's here's I found out about this guy from The Chinaman. Thank you, Chinaman. Thank you, Chinaman.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:12

Thank you, Chinaman. So, okay, that let me let me just preface this before you go into that. Um, because listening to uh the soul of money in Equap, or or um, I remember one time you'd made this post, and it was like it was something along the lines of like it was a very challenging post for me at the time, but it was something along the lines of like um just admit it, uh your God is money. Like, don't be afraid to say it, you know. And uh to me at that time it was just like I can't, I can't say that. Like that's I can't say that, like, you know, like because if God sees me post that, then I'm fucked. Like, oh, you're your god is money, like like God has explicitly said you cannot serve money and God, you know, like all the things that you're taught in church and shit like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:11

Um think about this, this is kind of silly, but like on the dollar bill it says in God we trust. Yeah, so it's like which one would be more real? Like if God had a tattoo of a dollar sign on it. He's actually God though, and this is symbol of money on him, right? But we've got God tattooed on the dollar bill, right? Yeah, so it just shows you right there which one's actually real, you know what I'm saying? Like that's the actual thing. It's like you got the word on the actual money, just dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:49

You should go into mid-journey and like create an image of God with a tattoo, yeah. Just for like money to get we trust, and money we trust, um, but yeah, but I remember at that time that being like so challenging to me, um, and then not really uh getting it, not really understanding it, and it taking a while. Um, but it's like now it's just like so clear, and now I'm like, and and the funny thing is, it's like this isn't something that you know uh destiny came up with or you came up with or or any of that. It's like this has been talked about for ages, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:32

Yeah, I like the thing that's new in terms of destiny is uh connecting uh the interdimensional part to the to the to Earth, yeah. And and when I say interdimensional, somebody might think like woo-woo-woo or something, right? Yeah, but it's like looking at things from all the different dimensions, yes, but also like that there's other dimensions in which something can exist. So like your mind okay, like when you're on the internet, you don't see the servers, right? But clearly it's not just appearing on your screen, yeah. There's information that's stored in a server somewhere, so you can think of it, and it's not exactly the same, but you can think of those servers are in another dimension, you know what I mean? Like they're not anywhere in your experience. I think the average person would uh object to that and be like, well, it's still in the physical. I I know that, but what I'm saying is my point is you can't just have things on the screen and there's nowhere else where this information is coming from, right? So I'm saying is you think your mind, like your feelings are just coming from nowhere. It's like, no, there's something generating them, yeah. Like, and you're like, well, it's my body generating it. Yeah, but the dimension in which you feel them, like how do like the qualia like we talk about, you know, like there's this other aspect that you can't see, there's some other aspect going on beyond just your three-dimensional understanding. You see what I mean? Like a scientist can't feel your feelings, right? Why not? You feel it, but they can't feel it. They can measure electrical impulses in your body, but they can't feel your feelings, like there's another dimension there. So, anyways, point is let's just say there are technologies in your body that you can't see, but that are producing things within you, right? Yeah, just like um your computer screen is a technology displaying a picture to you. How are you fucking displaying a holographic image around your body right now for you to look at? Like, do you even know how that works? No scientist fucking understands that, right? Because, and it's like, well, I reject anything non-physical. I'm not saying it's not physical, yeah, just like with the free energy stuff, they're not saying it's some magical stuff, they're just like it's all the energy that's not accounted for in the vacuum of space or some shit, right? It's not like it's somewhere else, so I'm not saying this is somewhere else, it's just that that word interdimensional becomes like spiritualized, and we automatically place it in the category of fake, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:13

And yet, we'll take the category of God and say that that's real, so like it has some effect on earth, and it's like but exactly the point that you're making right now of like, you know, we'll take that word and put it in the category of fake, that word interdimensional, automatically just like shuts down like whatever you're saying now is like woo-woo, that's woo-woo. That's that sounded crazy. That's literally how I was, you know, taking in all this information, and and that's why you know we talk so much about like you gotta purify the fucking words that you're using, like your vocabulary is shit.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:52

The advantage I had coming into studying destiny was I had already done quite a bit of studying, learning about things like spirituality, psychedelics, you know, like channeling, all these other things. So when they would talk about it, I have a context for it at least.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:08

So, okay, it's it's kind of like you know, if you're telling a kid there is no Santa Claus, think of the emotion that comes up within that child and how they're gonna fight you on that, uh, versus like a kid who's like, you know, done all the you know studying of physics or you like whatever it is, whatever you you want to say that they studied of just like reality, and then when you tell them there's no thing as such thing as Santa Claus, it's like, yeah, no, no, that makes sense. They'd be like, Yeah, that makes sense because I mean, physically, how's it gonna go to every house? I don't have much fucking chimney, you know, like they can see all the points, it it like connects, yeah, you know, yeah, and that's again just reiterating the point that I'm making with you know all the information that we have is like it is that point of like it's the Santa Claus is not real. And if you actually could study all the information that's here available and process it and discern, then you would see that really clearly, like it would actually be fucking obvious, and yet you don't, you can't, because you've been entertained since the moment you were fucking born with bullshit that means nothing, uh, told lies, uh, you were never supported to develop your processing ability, and now you're like at a point where you're just like, you're you're so ingrained with that that you're like, that's just how life is. Meanwhile, it's like uh look at what's happening to the next generation. It's even worse for them. They're getting even more of a watered-down uh understanding of reality and under more control.

Bakunin On God And Enslavement

SPEAKER_08 2:02:53

Um I was looking at this just to see, like, I really want to read part of it to you guys. Okay, because uh I I would really recommend anybody get this book. Okay, like it's pretty short. I haven't finished it yet. I'm like halfway through. Just because I've been reading it like well, I read it one night before I went to sleep. But um I'm a few chapters in, I think there's only like four chapters. And uh it's not hard to understand. It's obviously a translation. I think it was probably originally in Russian. I don't know when it was written, but the guy lived from 1814 to 1878. Okay. And he's like sort of like one of the original anarchists. Um I've heard. Right. Okay. And he even uses the term anarchy in here. I don't know if it's a translation, obviously, but um, but it's cool. It's called God and State by Mikhail Bakunin, B-A-K-U-N-I-N. However you say that. Bakunin. Um and obviously I'm not gonna read the whole thing, it would probably be very boring, but I just I want to give you a little taste of it because as you're reading it, you're like, dude, this guy fucking gets it. Like, at least on these particular points. And what he's trying to show is like how the masses believing in God is why they will never be free. Which is a point we've talked about a lot. And I'm not saying suddenly stop believing in God, become an atheist, and now you're free. That's not gonna happen either. And although he was kind of prior to the whole atheist movement, in a way he even indicates why that will fail, also. Because what are the s what do the atheists replace God with? Science. Right. And he is really big on science in here, but he also says it in a very specific way where he's like it's hard. I I said I'm gonna give context, but also you know um let me just read a little bit and then I'll try to give some a little bit of context here. And I guess we only have like 40 minutes left, but yeah, yeah. Um I'll just read a little bit, I'll try to read fast. But says Um, I have stated the chief practical reason of the power still exercised today over the masses by religious beliefs. These mystical tendencies do not signify in man so much an aberration of mind as a deep discontent at heart. They are the instinctive and passionate protest of the human being against the narrowness, the platitudes, the sorrows, and the shame of a wretched existence. Kind of like we've talked about. Like, if if life was great for everybody, you wouldn't have any reason to even give a fuck about God. And your your gratitude about life itself would be enough, wouldn't it? You wouldn't well, you wouldn't care about God. It's like it's like if my children are happy, I don't care if they worship me. You know?

SPEAKER_03 2:05:46

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:46

If they're happy, they're happy. That was the whole point of what I'm doing. It wasn't to get their praise, right? For this malady, I have already said there is but one remedy, social revolution. In the meantime, I have endeavored to show the causes responsible for the birth and historical development of religious hallucinations in the human conscience. Here it is my purpose to treat this question of the existence of a god, or of the divine origin of the world and of man, solely from the standpoint of its moral and social utility, and I shall say only a few words to better explain my thought regarding the theoretical grounds of this belief. All religions, with their gods, their demigods and their prophets, their messiahs and their saints, were created by the credulous fancy of men who had not attained the full development and full possession of their faculties. This is cool. Consequently, the religious heaven is nothing but a mirage in which man, exalted by ignorance and faith, discovers his own image, but enlarged and reversed, that is, divinized. The history of religions, of the birth, grandeur, and decline of the gods who have succeeded one another in human belief is nothing, therefore, but the development of the collective intelligence and conscience of mankind. So think about that. If that's true, then what is our next collective intelligence evolution? Wouldn't it be the responsibility well no no in a negative sense, yeah. But I mean, like in reality, it would be like the actual responsibility of ourselves as the creator, right? Yeah. Collectively. As as fast as they discovered in the course of their historically progressive advance, either in themselves or an external nature, a power, a quality, or even any great defect whatever, they attributed them to their gods after having exaggerated and enlarged them beyond measure, after the manner of children, by an act of their religious fancy. Thanks to this modesty and pious generosity of believing and credulous men, heaven has grown rich with the spoils of the earth, and by a necessary consequence, the richer heaven became, the more wretched became humanity and the earth. God, once installed, he was naturally proclaimed the cause, reason, arbiter, and absolute dis disposer of all things. The world henceforth was nothing. Look at that. God was all. And man, his real creator, after having unknowingly extracted him from the void, bowed down before him, worshipped him, and avowed himself his creature and his slave. Christianity is precisely the religion par excellence because it exhibits and manifests to the fullest extent the very nature and essence of every religious system, which is the impoverishment, enslavement, and annihilation of humanity for the benefit of divinity. Wow. God being everything, the real world and man are nothing. God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is his slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation. But whoever says revelation says revealers, messiahs, prophets, priests, and legislators inspired by God Himself. And these, once recognized as the representatives of divinity on earth, as the holy instructors of humanity, chosen by God Himself to direct it in the path of salvation, next necessarily exercise absolute power. All men owe them passive and unlimited obedience. For against the divine reason there is no human reason, and against the justice of God no terrestrial justice holds. Slaves of God must men must also be slaves of church and state, insofar as the state is consecrated by the church. This truth, Christianity, better than all other religions that exist or have existed, understood, not accepting even the old Oriental religions, which included only distinct and privileged nations, while Christianity aspires to embrace entire humanity. And this truth, Roman Catholicism, one among all the Christian sects, has proclaimed and realized with rigorous logic. That is why Christianity is the absolute religion, the final religion, why the Apostolic and Roman Church is the only consistent, legitimate, and divine church. And I'm almost done, I'll just finish this part here. With all due respect, then to the metaphysicians and religious idealists, philosophers, politicians, or poets, the idea of God implies the abdication of human reason and justice. It is the most decisive negation of human liberty and necessarily ends in the enslavement of mankind, both in theory and practice. I'm skipping apart just because it's like stuff that doesn't have total context. If God is, if God is, man is a slave. Now man can and must be free, then God does not exist. I defy anyone whomsoever to avoid this circle. Now, therefore, let all choose. And I mean, that's just like a a page and a half, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:11:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Authority As Natural Law

SPEAKER_08 2:11:16

And and I like the part where he goes on later. Actually, I have one more thing I want to read on here. I I made a mark of it. Uh this this other part too. Because actually, I'm just gonna tell you about this part.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:32

Because then he kind of goes on to be like, Well, how do we guide ourselves? And he says, we have to use science. But obviously, the way when he used the word science, it's not the way we think of science today. Where science has become this authority. Because he even says, actually, let me go back to that part. Let me see if I can. Science, as in like mathematical reasoning. Check this out. Perhaps, too, while speaking of liberty as something very respectable and very dear in their eyes, they give the term a meaning quite different. From the conception entertained by us. Um materialists and revolutionary socialists. Okay. Indeed, they never speak of it without immediately adding another word, authority, a word and a thing which we detest with all our heart. What is authority? So obviously, when he says authority, he means in the context of an authority. Okay. Just like the negative way we think of it, right? Right. He doesn't mean all authority per se. It is the inevitable power. Okay, so he says, what is authority? It is the inevitable power of the natural laws which manifest themselves in the necessary concatenation and succession of phenomena in the physical and oh sorry, it's a rhetorical question. Is it the inevitable power of the natural laws which manifest themselves in the necessary concatenation and succession of phenomena in the physical and social worlds? Indeed, against these laws, revolt is not only forbidden, it is even impossible, excuse me, impossible. We may misunderstand them or not know them at all, but we cannot disobey them. Because they constitute the basis and fundamental conditions of our existence. They envelop us, penetrate us, regulate all our movements, thoughts, and acts. Even when we believe we disobey them, we only show their omnipotence. Yes, we are absolutely the slaves of these laws, but in such slavery there is no humiliation, or rather, it is not slavery at all, for slavery supposes an external master, a legislator, outside of him whom he commands. While these laws are not outside of us, they are inherent in us, they constitute our being, our whole being, physically, intellectually, and morally. We live, we breathe, we act, we think, we wish only through these laws. Without them we are nothing. We are not. Whence then could we derive the power of and the wish to rebel against them? So, in other words, here he does it make is it clear? Because I know I'm reading and it's one thing to follow along when someone's reading. But he's like, what is authority? He's like, by authority, is it just the natural laws that exist, like the rules of physics, the the way things work, like the idea of consequence, you know, cause and effect. Like, if that's what authority is, then we literally can't rebel against them. We have to be a slave to it because if we go against it, we're going against reality, and we're gonna. I'm you know, I'm obviously adding to what he's saying, but it's like we're gonna create a consequence, right? And so this is why if you go study what Bernard says about what authority is, he's saying it's when you're standing as what is best for all, equal and one, as life. That is the only real authority because that is like it's not that you then therefore have power over people, it's just saying when you act on behalf of that in everything you do, you can't create a consequence that isn't best. And obviously, it only works if everybody does it, right? But the point is the authority isn't like I claim the authority of something, and I say it's not an arbitrary thing, it's like I'm actually considering what's best, and if I act with an accordance to if I act in accordance of that or to that, what could go wrong? If everybody does it, we're always considering what's best, right? Other than some freak accident, I suppose. But that's like not what I think everyone really is afraid of. You're afraid of other people abusing power, right? Yeah, yeah. Let me add a couple more things real quick. In his relation to natural laws, but one liberty is possible to man, that of recognizing and applying them on an ever-extending scale in conformity with the object of collective and individual emancipation or humanization which he pursues. These laws, once recognized, exercise an authority which is never disputed by the mass of men. One must, for instance, be at bottom either a fool or a theologian, or at least a metaphysician, jurist, or bourgeois economist to rebel against the law by which twice two make four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once must one one must have faith to imagine that fire will not burn nor water drown, except indeed recourse be had to some subterfuge founded in its turn or some on some other natural law. It's like Kevin talks about Kevin Trudeau, the law of gravity. You can supersede it if you understand the law of lift, right? But otherwise, you can't go around the law of gravity unless you have some other thing that is contracting it within the rules of how things work. But you can't just imagine yourself floating and then it happens. It's not how reality works.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:18

Right.

What Real Revolt Looks Like

SPEAKER_08 2:16:20

Um, but these revolts, or rather, these attempts at or foolish fancies of an impossible revolt are decidedly the exception. For in general, it may be said that the mass of men in their daily lives acknowledge the government of common sense, that is, of the sum of the natural laws generally recognized in an almost absolute fashion. I just had this realization when I was reading this uh last uh the other night. And it was like this this never happened to me before. It was like I I saw something, I understood something, and I immediately forgot it. It's like and I knew it was significant, and I was like, there's something that I just realized, like in you know, intellectually, yeah, and then I was like, it seemed so obvious in that moment, and I was like, and I was like, Oh, I gotta articulate this, right? And then I was like, what was it? And then I'm like, all I had left was the feeling of that realization, yeah. And then I'm like, what was it? And and I kind of just had the thought again, and I don't know if it was exactly this, but it was something along these lines, and it and I so I'm thinking maybe this was it, but it's like think about this, like, like he's making this point that you can't revolt against actual reality. What can and I'm not saying I'm not sitting here saying revolution is the answer, because obviously we understand in the historical context it's not a solution in itself, because and that's what we're always bringing through. What is the actual solution? But what can you revolt against? Like, what could you say if you used revolt in the best sense, like to not accept something? Let's just use it in the best sense of the word. Okay, yeah. What is it that you legitimately can get away with not accepting ultimately?

SPEAKER_03 2:18:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:08

What?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:11

Anything that is not best, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:16

So i I know that's not necessarily explicitly what he's saying, but I'm like you're not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:21

But I'm following along with what you were saying.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:23

We're adding our own points to it, so I don't care what this guy meant or not.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:26

As as you were reading it, though, that's what I understood. Is like, you know, like, I mean, you you have a choice, yes, but your choice needs to be in line with reality, essentially, is what he's saying.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:38

And also, if you think about the context of what he's talking about, he's like, most people are miserable because they live in a system that just treats them as slaves. So it's not like this guy's totally not like, I don't care what's best for anybody. Clearly, he's thinking along these lines of like that's not good, right? Um, okay, so well, my point is like you you can't what he's saying is you can't revolt against real things because then there's gonna be a consequence. You can't revolt against two plus two is four. And if we look at the context of our education and our brainwashing, what is it that the system does not want us to revolt against? Even using the term revolt loosely. Um the money, the money system, yeah, like the nature of how our system is, which we acknowledge is not best, right? Right. So if you think about it, if if you take revolution just in the context of not no longer accepting things as they are, which in itself doesn't change anything, right? This is the point we're bringing through, which is like, okay, now what's the work that has to be done actually to change things, where it's not like revolution is the answer, right? Right, right. Like overthrowing it isn't the answer because literally you didn't change anything, right? Fundamentally, but just rebellion as in like not accepting, right? The elite, let's just call it the elite, even though that is a point of blame. But let's just say that there's a group that would fight against anything changing because they're in a position where they're protected, right? They don't want the masses to rebel against, let's just say, their system. But they're rebelling in the abholence of the not the masses as well, in not rebelling, you know, loosely, right? But the whole picture, let's just say the elite, in their defending the system constantly and stopping anybody from change, they're actually rebelling against reality.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:36

So if you think about it, they're like the actual rebels in the negative sense of the word, like they're the actual ones trying. This is what I was like, I think with that that realization I had is like, and they're getting everybody to go along with it.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:49

Isn't it interesting how they'll they'll say, like, um the in Star Wars as an example, it's like the Empire's the bad guy, and you want to be part of the rebels, but the I guess um I guess it's just like a kind of a flipping of like you're actually the rebels because you're rebelling.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:11

The empire's also bad, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:21:12

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:13

Yeah, but but think about it like if you study destiny long enough, you get to the point where you realize Bernard's saying, We're all the fallen angels, yeah. Like not that there's a god who's the authority, but in the context of the story, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're the bad guys, all of us, humanity, and even study destiny, you realize it's not the animals, it's not the trees, it's not the plant, it's not the earth itself, it's not right, it's it's just human beings, and so even within the context of human beings, we go elite versus everybody else, and it's like no, everybody is fucking everyone is the problem because we're all holding on to this system that is not best.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:49

I was reading something the other day, and I don't remember what it was, but um, it was talking about the story of like Adam and Eve, and um it was just bringing, or maybe I was listening to an audience, I don't remember, but um, but it was bringing in that point of like how uh in the fact that Adam and Eve could make the choice against what God wanted, or like is it just shows like well then evil either already existed or uh you know they didn't know, like like they were making a choice based on no knowledge or information, which is fucked either way. And it was it was interesting because it was I was listening to something and it was like somebody really like just a normal person out there, you know, is coming to this conclusion. I'm like, wow, so other people can see this. It's it just see to me, it's like I'm at the point now where I'm like, holy crap, like all of it this stuff, I now can see it. Where before it was like I was like it felt as though um, like from the perspective that I see it now, it's as if I was under some veil where like I just couldn't perceive these things of uh like what do you mean that God's not fair? What do you what do you mean that money is God? What do you mean like like all those things just seem so like blasphemous, but also like uh it would just raise all of my firewalls to be like you you can't say that doesn't make sense. Interdimensional? Whoa, whoa, whoa, uh no. I'm not I I like all these things were like broken, or or they would be like, you know what it's like actually? It's it's kind of like you're uh taking a pathway, and every corner that you turn, it's like the pathway is disrupted, it's it's broken, and and so you have to repair that. And there's just so many of these different pieces that need to be repaired before you can actually traverse the pathway to get to the other side. What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_08 2:24:05

Uh it's like you have people who are extremely wealthy. The real extreme wealthy, right? To them, like if if I were to say money is God, they're living that yeah, they'd be like, of course.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:23

Now they might say God is more important.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:26

The thing about they can see like the the reality.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:29

Whether they're honest about it or not, like they're living the reality that money is God. Like they're because they're pursuing that.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:36

Yeah.

God For The Masses Money For Winners

SPEAKER_08 2:24:37

Uh the average masses poor person is pursuing God.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:43

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:44

So now we see like why that symbol of God exists. And this is the point he's making. He's like and he kind of like lays it out like there's like people in history who have like tried to defend God and like write theoretical proofs of God and all these things. And he's like, those people he's like, I feel like are just they're smart, but they're not smart that smart. And then there's like then there's like the few who sort of like don't really talk about it, but they just accept that everybody believes in God, so they just talk about God as if it's a fact because everyone believes it, but they never really try to go into the details of whether it's real or not real. It's like just kind of like it's part of our, you know, they just but he said they're cowards, or he's like, there's those few who really challenge the point, right? And and the reason why it's so bad to challenge God is because that's what the masses adhere to so that they won't pursue money. That is the point of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:47

So the elite can continue pursuing money. Like, and maybe they also believe in God, but they believe, like we were talking about earlier, that the money that they have is a sign that God's on their side, because otherwise you must live in a totally unjust universe. Like, I mean, how am I doing this? And like, God must be okay with me, you know? And like, yeah, and so it's like that's why the the God thing is such it's like even to the point where we feel this sort of like, oh, you can't question people's belief in God, that's their own little personal moral thing they have. And I'm like, it's evil, it's actually abusive. It's literally holding everybody in a pattern that's that's not it's it's it's fucking everybody, yeah. Because if if there was and I think this is kind of the it's not he's he's not obvious saying in the same context, but he's like God is for the masses, and some of these really smart intellectual people, he's like, they know that, and that's why they are continuing to perpetuate it, and they're fucking bad because of that, right? Yeah, um, but if people would give up that point, it's like now suddenly everybody would be playing in the winner circle, wouldn't they?

SPEAKER_03 2:26:56

Right, right.

SPEAKER_08 2:26:57

Because there are probably a lot of talented people who could play in that game or they can develop the talent, but they won't because of God, and then and you say, well, like, well, I don't believe in God, and I'm not rich. You fear God, yeah. They still participate in you fear that if you challenge it, you're gonna be punished. What does that mean? Yeah, they you still believe in God. You actually think there's a God that can punish you at some level. You believe there's the universe, the God, the rich people, the system is gonna punish you, and you think that that matters more than your eternal fucking like existence of showing who the fuck you are, like as in like and you're actually in that cutting yourself off from that point that actually is beyond any punishment you could ever receive from some fake god, even if you rationalize it where you're like, Well, no, if I challenge the people who believe in God, they will all get together and they'll attack me.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:58

You fear them, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:28:00

But that is a fake temporary god because you're gonna die at some point, right? Everybody is, and what would that punishment matter at that point? Like, and then you get to that point and realize because I didn't stand as the thing that would not fear that, now I have the consequence of not being that anymore.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:21

Well, hang on, I don't want to be, you know, killed. Or, you know, I I would like to live as long as possible. I know I'm gonna die, but I don't want to cut my life short just by challenging some people and upsetting some people, okay, Adam.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:34

At what price? At what price? Isn't that kind of what you're like? Look, I'm in this meat soup flying through outer space in this dimension of three-dimensional reality where I can eat steak and taste things and have fun and have birthday parties and Christmas, and like I don't want to lose that. Like, why would I challenge things? Because look at okay, so what children are abused every day, but look, I get to have an experience of being the fucking person who shops at Walmart every week. Like, that's it. That's what you're fucking defending. Like, imagine it'd be like you saw someone being raped, and you're like, Yeah, but look, I have this can of Campbell's tomato soup to eat because of it. You're like, that's the fucking benefit you're defending that with that's it.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:17

Okay, okay. But that that's the reality, and that's so great. I'm glad you you you place it like that because it's like then it becomes more real. When they're talking about, like, you know, ah, you know, we would you expose the pedophiles if it crashed the system? I think at least the most people who would listen to this would be like, yeah, let's let's fucking crash it down. But it's like to you, that's not real.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:41

Right?

SPEAKER_02 2:29:41

It's like, let's look at the thing that's real to you of like, okay, would you uh go and challenge a bunch of Christians and you know, like actually support them to see like they're they're living some delusional bullshit? Would you uh you know, name the thing that is scary to you of challenging others within the system on that point, and then okay, so you're defending that, you're you're defending, oh yeah, you know, the kids getting raped and all that shit, so that you don't have to do that, so that you can keep your existence comfortable in what it is right now.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:18

You don't even look at the consequence of what would happen if the system actually crashed. You would have to fucking go and fight your neighbors for food. You want to do that? It's like, well, if it had to, if it shit hits the fan, I'm like, then why are you still going to work every day? Why are you participating in this? Like, I'm not saying don't participate, but don't like change it then, like actually stand up. This is the whole point. It's like, I think what happens is people put feel like they're in an impossible situation. It's that what we're doing is offering the actual pathway through to that through that impossible situation.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:51

It's like they feel they're in an impossible situation, they fear the consequence, they fear hell basically. They fear hell. In in their mind, hell might be um, I could go to jail or I could uh lose all my money, and that that's usually what hell is called fear of loss.

Anxiety Death Fear And Distraction

SPEAKER_08 2:31:09

Yeah, it's like I can't do it. Because it ultimately comes down to fear of death, yeah. Which you know, I I've shared this story before, but like very few people have faced actually their fear of death without then lying to themselves. You know, and like I like I've told the story before, but I remember when I was in college, and you know what triggered it? It's so weird. I can't really say exactly how, but like reading Baudrillard, right? That simulacra simulation book, right? Which is so ironic actually, because that's the book he has on his table in the Matrix where he's got like that in it or whatever. Yeah. But it wasn't just reading that book only, it was like starting to kind of question things, right? And then like questioning, am I in a simulation? Although I didn't even see it that way at the time. But I was like starting to become aware that I'm aware, you know, like being aware of that you're aware is a different thing than just being aware. Like being conscious of being conscious is different than just being conscious. Most people are just conscious, but most people are not constantly reflecting on the fact that they're conscious, yeah. But how can you? How can you keep going? Because then you start having a crisis inside of yourself of like which part of me is real? The part that's like the consciousness, but if I'm reflecting on the consciousness, then the consciousness I'm reflecting on isn't me, so it's me doing the reflection, but then I can reflect on that, and that's like if you start reading existentialism, all these points. That's what these guys were fucking dealing with. And you know what they realized? Like we talked about, yeah, dude. This makes me feel real fucking anxious, like thinking about this. Like, holy shit! Oh, dude, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't. Some people think maybe I should, you know what? I don't I don't question any of that. I have God. God. You know what I mean? Like God justifies my. I don't even need to think about conscious, con conscious what it is. Like, God exists and He loves me and He takes care of me and I will live forever because I believe in Him. But then, but then good.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:18

No, I'm I'm just like it's it's so uh like surface level, it's so like dishonest, I guess is is the word for it. But it's like you didn't even actually could like you're just saying, like, I'm not going to think about it because I already accepted God as the the reason why I don't have to, and so I can I I don't actually have to face that anxiety. God. I just said God, so I win.

SPEAKER_08 2:33:46

It's it's actually very unfair. And and this is also the point like, what did the Chinaman say was the solution to the anxiety that the system came up with? Money. Because when you got lots of money, you don't have the money. Have to be anxious about much. You say, Well, my family doesn't love me and this and that and all this is like sure that can happen when you don't have money, too.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:08

Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:11

Would you rather have the money or not? Okay, like be honest about it. Um, but obviously also the fact that you're like, Yeah, but it doesn't solve all of my problems, I'm like, Yes, that's because it's not actually the solution. Right. And when we say money solves the problems, we're not saying it actually solves it. We're just saying it's the closest you can get to not have to face reality.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:31

Like, if you could just be like the solution that's presented by the system.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:34

Like, like, how many times have you got focused on something and excited about something? And you're not thinking about being anxious anymore.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:42

It's like how you pull yourself out of depression. You just gotta get excited about something else. That's what labu-boo is, dude. It's just like our society's way of going, uh oh, things aren't good. Epstein, uh oh, uh, you know, oh shit, you know, Kamala Harris, oh no, Trump, uh, you know, like oh Iran war, uh, Laboooboo. Oh, hey, uh what I wonder what labu boo I got in the box. Let me get the labu boo box. Oh, oh, look at this one. I got that one. Okay. Like, it's just a way of getting, it's like the economy going like, okay, no one's getting excited anymore. No one's no one's buying shit, no one's getting energy. Uh, let's put some little creatures in a box, rubber creatures in a box and like hide them, and then you have to pay$700 for it, you know? It's just another example of that. So people, they if you're depressed and I gave you a million dollars, could you find a way to go have fun and distract yourself? Yeah, is that ultimately a solution? Obviously not. And the fact that even though you're rich, you still have problems with your kids or your wife just shows how but why is that? Because what you have to do for the money, you have to neglect this. It's so it just shows you, like, yeah, it ultimately doesn't solve the problem because it's not it is actually a zero-sum game. Think about that. It seems like it's not to the elite, but do they have fucking problems? Yeah, for sure. And don't they all actually come down to the money system not being best for everybody? So it's still a zero-sum game for them, even though they don't want to admit it.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:08

And and look at the the parallel of like turning to quote unquote God for the your release from anxiety. It's like you turn to money from your release for your release from anxiety, but you still fucking have anxiety. Like you didn't actually you didn't actually um um what's the word I'm looking for? You didn't actually like go through the point. You didn't actually confront it, you didn't actually consider the opposite of anxiety. Um I think what most people would say the opposite of anxiety is uh relief.

SPEAKER_08 2:36:46

That's more like the response to anxiety. You can't feel relief all the time.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:50

No. Uh peace.

SPEAKER_08 2:36:55

That's still a response if you think about it. I think so. I think what most people would pursue, they may not, they may, they probably would say what you said, but I think the actual reality is the answer is happiness. The opposite of anxiety is happiness. Okay. Don't want to feel anxious. What do you want to feel? You want to be happy. Sure. I want to be happy. What do you want? What is your purpose? I just want to be happy, right? So, but I'm like, how can you be happy knowing that children are fucking being abused? Just even if we just take that example and it's like, don't talk about that because it doesn't make me happy, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:37:33

It's like it makes me anxious. But I don't know, because like I feel like you could be happy and anxious. Like, I wouldn't put it exactly as an opposite. Uh, like, like it's it's not something that you can what does everybody want? Happiness, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:37:46

They say the reality of it, right? Like, yeah, I mean, we could go into the nuance of feelings of happiness, but I'm saying generally speaking, just I'm happy, meaning like nothing's going wrong, nothing's wrong, everything's okay, everything's good. That's what happiness means in most people's minds. But we don't have a system well, hang on, makes that the case.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:04

Let me just check that because I'm like, but that's not how people uh think of happiness. Like happiness has obviously been uh co-opted uh to become this like excited thing that is consumerism, right? And and so when when people think of happiness, that's what they think of today.

SPEAKER_08 2:38:23

Well, that was my point earlier that it's the response to like I gotta distract myself from anxiety. But the the reality is actual happiness doesn't exist, no one can even believe that it's possible because you live in a world where you know deep down. So it's like if you think about it, century of the self, happiness, the pursuit of happiness, the focus on self. The actual God is not even money, although it's the representation of it, it's you're it's really just your focus on yourself pursuing energy. Wow, you see what I mean? And like that's what money enables, it's the tool for that point. But can you actually have absolute faith in that point? No, you can't because you know deep down it. So the crisis of faith is not actually about God, it's like what is the actual God? It's your pursuit of self-interest energy, which money is a part of that, but you can't have absolute faith in it because you know you're playing a game where it can be taken, you don't control it because you're actually in a reality with other people, and they're all playing the same game, and not everyone can be a winner, and so you constantly have this crisis of faith, like like the Chinaman guy was talking about in other videos. Like, you're always in this crisis of faith. Uh the only solution to that is what we're presenting. The only solution to you having absolute certainty that your happiness is real, like because here's the problem let's say you feel happy right now, and you just feel like happier than you ever felt in your life, but it shouldn't take too long before what thought comes up. I don't want to lose this, right? Why would you even have that thought?

SPEAKER_02 2:40:05

Right, yeah. But you know at some point you're gonna there's a system that's like you know, it's just like with the with the Jesus thing, it's like, okay, I believe this, but you're like, yeah, it doesn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:17

Like it's something, you know what I mean? Like, I believe it. Yeah, no, I really believe it now. But then that how do you know you believe it? Because I just feel so like Jesus is blessing me. I feel the energy of my body, and I feel so empowered with the Holy Spirit. It's like, yeah, but when that's not there, then you have doubt, don't you? When you don't get the good feelings, you go into doubt. And so that's what we need to solve. It's like you can sort of solve it on an individual level, but you can't solve it on an individual level in the context of self-improvement.

SPEAKER_09 2:40:44

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:44

You can't go, I'm just gonna be good, I'm stoic, I'm not gonna feel bad, I'm gonna be positive, and I'm gonna because the only context to do anything is to go participate in the money system, which is the source of the conflict and the constant anxiety in the first place. So, what's the only way you can truly actually um stabilize your emotions is in the process of creating a world that's best for all. Just don't use, well, like don't use the measurement of what the system tells you happiness is. Like, you might still feel bad from time to time, even though you're stable. It's like, are you actually moving yourself in the point of creating a world that's best for all? Because that should be the measure, not do I feel happy right now? Because if you don't feel happy, that could just be the fact that you're facing the resistance to what you're trying to do. But if you go, well, that doesn't make me happy, I'm just gonna pursue the positivity of being happy and doing what I want. And so you're like manipulating your emotions in that sense, it will never work, and you will always have doubt at some level. That's why all these fucking positive thinkers all at some level believe in God, whether they call it the universe, consciousness, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:04

Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, the point of you know, if you believe in God or whatever, and then you have that doubt, like you know, that everybody has. Like, I've fucking heard pastors talking about how they're riddled with doubt, right? It's like, okay, if you ever have doubt, that's because you haven't solved the things that you're responsible for. You as a human are are possible and responsible to solve, and that's what we're here about. That's what we're talking about.

Education As The Way Out

SPEAKER_08 2:42:36

Let me read a little bit more to you to add to that point, okay? Because this was the point I even looked, I even did a upside down dog ear just for you on this point. Okay, thanks. We got a couple minutes. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Because this is this is backing up what we're saying is the answer, solution. The great misfortune is that a large number of natural laws already established as such by science, remain unknown to the masses. Thanks to the quote, I like this guy, it's like really sarcastic. Thanks to the watchfulness of these tutelary governments that exist, as we know, only for the good of the people. That is another difficulty, namely that the major portion of the natural laws connected with the development of human society, which are quite as necessary, invariable, and fate fatal as the laws that govern the physical world, have not been duly established and recognized by science itself. Once they shall have been recognized by science, and then from science, by means of an extensive system of popular education and instruction, shall have passed into the consciousness of all, the question of liberty will be entirely solved. I mean, go listen to language of money in an equal money system. Or language science and language and equal money system. Yeah. Science meaning actually fucking understanding how things work. Yeah. The most stubborn authorities must admit that then there will be no need. Remember that video on politics that we watched recently with Bernard? Okay. The most stubborn authorities must admit that then there will be no need either of political organization or direction or legislation. Three things which, whether they eliminate from the will of the sovereign or from or sorry, whether they emanate from the will of the sovereign or from the vote of a parliament elected by universal suffrage, and even should they conform to the system of natural laws, which has never been the case and never will be the case, are always equally fatal and hostile to the liberty of the masses from the very fact that they impose upon them a system of external and therefore despotic laws. The liberty of man consists solely in this that he obeys natural laws because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been externally imposed upon him by any extrinsic will, whatever, divine or human, collective or individual. In other words, everybody has to get on the same fucking page educationally. In that that video that we were talking about, I was just mentioning with Bernard, he says, like, it's not like equal money is gonna be imposed, or not, it's not like best for all equal money can be imposed.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:11

Right.

SPEAKER_08 2:45:12

Each person would be acting as the government because they would be living by the principles. And someone says, Well, that sounds like a fantasy. And this is the point. This is I think this is what I realized. This is the thing. We're being brainwashed to believe that that is a fantasy by people upholding a fantasy called God, which justifies an unequal an unequal money system. So we're supposed to believe that's not a fantasy because it's happening to us. But we're experiencing the negative consequences, and like a good slave, we're like, well, but I don't want to piss off my master. That's literally what the fuck is happening. So is anarchy the solution? No, the solution is destiny, technotutor. That's it, that's all I got. And we're over time.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:10

All right.

SPEAKER_08 2:46:11

Well, we'll see you guys next week. Oh, yeah, see you next week unless it was too much and you just uh unless you're on the list because you didn't get posted to share the uh oh and I'm still waiting for you, man. All right, see you guys next time. Bye.

SPEAKER_06 2:46:27

Self perfected. Make it things.