OLP 041: Hallowed Be Thy Ween

In our Halloween special, Lex & Jordan tackle one of the most hotly debated questions in all of literary history: which classic monsters have ADHD? Tune in for our very professional, well-researched, totally unbiased thoughts. Plus, thoughts about Stephanie Meyer, quotes to live by, and a lot of different words for weed.

Happy Halloween, and thanks for listening!

CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD,  loud noises, yelling, mouth noises, coughing, discussions of classic horror monsters and tropes, gore

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

There is a dark place, but I'm not going there. No, no, no. My way there is a dark place, but I'm not going No, no. On my,

Speaker 2 0:29

Hi, I'm Jordan.

Speaker 3 0:30

And I'm Lex.

Speaker 2 0:31

And this is or learn parkour. Woo.

Speaker 3 0:34

It's a podcast about adhd done by two people who for sure have adhd.

Speaker 2 0:38

It still is. And we still do.

Speaker 3 0:41

Yeah. Uh, hello. Be I Ween.

Speaker 2 0:44

Welcome back team.

Speaker 3 0:45

Truly happy Halloween. This episode is dropping on Halloween, so

Speaker 2 0:49

Yes, it is. We couldn't leave you hanging without our Halloween episode. That's become a tradition. It's wild that we've had a podcast long enough to have traditions. Yeah.

Speaker 3 0:59

And when we say tradition, we mean that very loosely, as in mm-hmm.<affirmative>. We've done Halloween themed episodes two years in a row, and now it's year three, so here you go. Yep.

Speaker 2 1:08

I mean, that's every year that we've been podcasting, so Yeah. I think that counts as a

Speaker 3 1:13

Tradition. I guess so. I mean, it is like a national holiday. Yes. So it does feel like it's not necessarily, uh, o l p

Speaker 2 1:22

Specific. No, that's fair. I would, but, but<laugh>, But, but hold on to your butts.

Speaker 3 1:30

But yeah, I mean, it's Halloween baby. It's our favorite holiday in this house.

Speaker 2 1:35

One of my favorite holidays,

Speaker 3 1:36

I'll, I'll come out and say it with my whole chest. Halloween is my favorite.

Speaker 2 1:39

I'm so happy for you. I feel like I, I love Christmas too much to fully commit to it. Mm. But I, I do very much enjoy a hallowed ween. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So let's jump into it. We've got a very festive episode today. We're recording this before Halloween, so we're probably gonna be, What are we doing for Halloween?

Speaker 3 2:02

I mean, we're going to a show. Yeah. And then we're also the, the next night we're going to a Halloween party.

Speaker 2 2:09

That is true.

Speaker 3 2:10

So, like, we're doing two things over the weekend on both Friday and Saturday for Halloween. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So I feel like, what are we do, we're doing everything. We're, we have a fully booked weekend.

Speaker 2 2:22

That's fair. We just don't, Well, I guess dropping an episode is our plan for the day of.

Speaker 3 2:28

Yeah. I mean, I was like, we both have to work. Yeah, that's true. So, like, I was going there like, am I gonna wear my costume to work? Probably. Are you? Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:36

Incredible.

Speaker 3 2:38

Yeah. They all know because I wore the sweatshirt today. And so<laugh>, you know,

Speaker 2 2:43

Just for everybody else tuning in, who doesn't work with you? What are you gonna be for Halloween this year? Lex,

Speaker 3 2:51

Or what an, what was I, I guess for our audience members, what was I? Because by the time you hear this, it'll have passed.

Speaker 2 2:57

Well, you'll be at work.

Speaker 3 2:59

Okay. Yeah, I guess. So. For Halloween this year, I am the devil's lettuce. Please

Speaker 2 3:07

Explain, Please elaborate

Speaker 3 3:09

For the, uh, un inoculated<laugh>. Um, sorry. For the, for those who don't know, for you, goody goodies, uh, the Devil's Lettuce is a silly little slang term for weed, for marijuana, cannabis, et cetera.

Speaker 2 3:25

Mary Jane, uh,

Speaker 3 3:28

Are you doing okay over there? What's happening?

Speaker 2 3:30

I just forgot the other words. It's

Speaker 3 3:32

Okay. You don't smoke weed, so I don't like you don't have to, You

Speaker 2 3:35

Know, I did see, I did see a weed shop in Portland called Electric Lettuce.

Speaker 3 3:39

Yeah. Electric lettuce. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> Devil's Lettuce.

Speaker 2 3:41

Jazz Cigarette.

Speaker 3 3:42

Yeah. Jazz Cigarette. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.

Speaker 2 3:44

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. It's

Speaker 3 3:45

A good one. It's a good one. But yeah. So I'm gonna be the devil's lettuce. And if you're wondering, like, Hey, so how are you gonna look like a fat nu Like, how are you just, are you gonna be like a plant? You gonna be like a jar full of nus, Like, what's

Speaker 2 3:56

Happening? Be a joint?

Speaker 3 3:57

Like, there's a couple of options mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and I will say, I, I got, I've gotten a little bit more metaphorical with it mm-hmm.<affirmative>, because the devil's lettuce may be a slang term for weed. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But what I'm gonna do is wear lettuce colored clothing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like lettuce and green mm-hmm.<affirmative> colored clothing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> specifically. I, I'll, we can share, we'll share outfits. Well,

Speaker 2 4:17

Yeah, We'll put it on the Twitter. We'll put it on the gram. Y'all have to see this.

Speaker 3 4:21

Yeah. No, this one of the pieces of clothing, I dunno how to explain it without totally giving it away, but it looks exactly mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it looks exactly like

Speaker 2 4:30

Weed. Shockingly,

Speaker 3 4:32

Like freakishly looks like weed. So I'm wearing a sweatshirt and, uh, that looks like weed. And I'm also wearing some other green clothing, et cetera. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I've got some like, flame motif earrings. They're very good. Uh, I've got some socks coming. Cause I remember from last time we went to a party at your coworker's house. Yeah, I remember that. Everyone took their shoes off and I felt really unprepared. Right, I see. So now I'm like, Okay, if I don't have my shoes off, like that's fine. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like, my shoes will just be on whatever mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But my costume needs to be complete. Shoes are not.

Speaker 2 5:05

Oh, I respect the commitment.

Speaker 3 5:07

So I did order some socks. Can't wait to show you them. They're getting here

Speaker 2 5:10

Today. Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 5:11

And then<laugh>. And then I also just, you know, like with anybody, like, like any other, I just have a set of little horn clips<laugh> that I made out of lightweight Clay. They're very good. So that I made for specifically to go see the live show in Chicago of the Adventure Zone in 2019. I dressed up as Billy the Goat, so I made myself some horns. It

Speaker 2 5:38

Was great. I mean, I'm reusing part of my costume from that too. I'm gonna really wear the ISEs crown.

Speaker 3 5:43

Oh, good. Oh yeah. So will you, Now it's your turn. Of course. Please share what you're gonna be. Of course. Oh, oh, oh, sorry. And to top it off, I will probably have like, for, for legal reasons, I'm kidding. But it's legal in Chicago. So who

Speaker 2 5:56

I was like, wh

Speaker 3 5:58

What

Speaker 2 5:58

Legal

Speaker 3 5:58

Reasons. Yeah. No, but I, I am also probably gonna like, just have joints to like pass out mm-hmm.<affirmative>

Speaker 2 6:03

If people mm-hmm.<affirmative>, maybe that guy will bring the volcano again.

Speaker 3 6:06

Oh my God, That was so fun.

Speaker 2 6:08

<laugh>.

Speaker 3 6:09

Anyways, okay. So what's yours though?

Speaker 2 6:11

So,

Speaker 3 6:12

Oh, right. Sorry. One more thing. I was in, Sorry. No, I'm leading into yours because I was inspired by Jordan. Mm. Because Jordan was like, Jordan has a costume that I was like, That's so funny. I wanna do something like that. And then I like sat and thought about it until I thought of something funny that's kind of like that. So mm-hmm.<affirmative>, sorry. Continue.

Speaker 2 6:30

It's not quite a duo costume, but I'd say we're thematically relevant to each other.

Speaker 3 6:35

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 6:36

So what I've got, I have like this kind of cream colored skirt with like a golden sash. Uh, I have like a halo kind of crown. I'm gonna get myself some little wings, which reminds me, I'm gonna go to Party City on Thursday.

Speaker 3 6:53

Nice.

Speaker 2 6:54

And I'm going to have this, you know, ethereal, angelic costume and a pair of glasses with the fake eyebrows and a fake mustache. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 7:09

<affirmative>.

Speaker 2 7:10

And I'm going to be a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 3 7:13

I'm so excited.<laugh>. I am just so excited.

Speaker 2 7:17

I am too. I'm a little bit nervous to explain it to people, cuz I know I'm going to have to.

Speaker 3 7:22

Yeah. But like, that one's funny. That's fair. And, and not to say that your past Halloween costumes haven't been funny, but there's something infinitely better about explaining like a pun or a funny costume. That's fair. Versus having to be like, No, I'm not Marie Antoinette, I'm a thunderstorm, but thanks. Yeah.

Speaker 2 7:39

That's

Speaker 3 7:39

Fair. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I feel like it's gonna just, anything's gonna be an improvement for you over that sort of experience

Speaker 2 7:46

Over my, my two niche artistic costumes. That's fair. And I deserve that. I think what I'm, I

Speaker 3 7:54

Mean, I'm guilty of it too. That's,

Speaker 2 7:55

That's why we're

Speaker 3 7:56

Friends. That's why we work is a, a sympathy thing, an empathy thing of like, I'm glad that you won't have to do that

Speaker 2 8:02

Cuz it's not fun. No, no. I think

Speaker 3 8:05

Think people don't get it. They're gonna feel stupid. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 8:09

I don't think they'll feel stupid. I think that they'll be like, Oh, I get it now. But on first glance, they might just be like, Are you dead Groucho Marks like, what?

Speaker 3 8:18

But that's the thing though, is you're gonna be like, No, no, I'm a blessing in disguise. And like, they're gonna feel like idiots because it's gonna be, it's like one of those things that it's so obvious once you say it. You know what I mean? Hopefully I just, I want people to feel stupid. I want'em to feel dumb.

Speaker 2 8:30

See, I'm concerned about the opposite of it is infinitely better, but also infinitely worse to explain pun. Because the better the pun is, the angrier people are versus if they're like, Oh, I thought you were a Marie Antoinette. They're just like, Huh. Weird. Okay. And move on. Yeah. But the anger, the pun specific anger.

Speaker 3 8:52

Mm. That's what you're gonna feed off of. Yes. Nice. Yes it is. Okay. You're gonna have to, we're just gonna have to stand right next to each other. Somebody get the full range of reactions. Cuz we both have like pun costumes this

Speaker 2 9:01

Year. We we do. We do.

Speaker 3 9:03

But yeah, I would be lying if I was like, Yeah, I decided to use my devil horns, um, just on my own. I didn't think about the fact that Jordan was gonna be like an angel or anything. Like No, that was totally me. I was just had like an original idea. So

Speaker 2 9:18

That's why we work well together.

Speaker 3 9:21

Um, Yeah. No, I absolutely was like, That's fun. I wanna do

Speaker 2 9:24

That too. Yeah. Fun. So

Speaker 3 9:27

Planned.

Speaker 2 9:27

Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 9:28

Uh, so welcome to our<laugh> Welcome to our podcast.

Speaker 2 9:32

It's about adhd. Yeah. I haven't gathered

Speaker 3 9:35

And admittedly also is about Halloween, so I guess that's fine too. Yeah. Yeah. But we're not just gonna talk to you about what we're wearing.

Speaker 2 9:41

We'll show you what we're wearing. We'll put it on, we'll put it on the So Meads.

Speaker 3 9:45

Yeah. But we do have something else planned for you today. Yes. And it's very time.

Speaker 2 9:53

Yes it do.

Speaker 3 9:54

Because we are going to, uh, here, let me get my like best like horror narrator.

Speaker 2 10:00

Yeah. Gimme that. RL Stein give me that. Like,

Speaker 3 10:03

All right. Um, RL Stein. I don't, I don't think you like

Speaker 2 10:06

That Rod Sterling.

Speaker 3 10:07

I don't, I mean, I was just gonna kind of go for it with like a more, uh,

Speaker 2 10:10

Like that John archivist. Like what, what horror narrator are we talking here?

Speaker 3 10:14

Well, so when I think of like classic horror narrator mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I think of like the Amityville Horror House. Mm.

Speaker 2 10:20

Okay.

Speaker 3 10:20

Looks like a house. It's just, it looks like a house. Like it looks like any other house on the block. Okay. But what you don't know, So, you know that kind of vibe. Mm. So in a world where monsters are reviewed as terrible, horrible things that make us shiver and give us your STD is

Speaker 2 10:43

<laugh>. This is taking a, I can't say it's entirely unexpected turn.

Speaker 3 10:52

Yeah. No. Okay. I think so.

Speaker 2 10:54

I don't

Speaker 3 10:55

Question.

Speaker 2 10:55

You want me to just jump in with you want.

Speaker 3 10:58

Okay.

Speaker 2 10:59

So, Okay.

Speaker 3 11:00

But just imagine if monsters were just like you and me. And by that I mean, come into a world and imagine with us what must it be like when a monster has h d

Speaker 2 11:26

This was great audio anyways.

Speaker 3 11:28

We don't have an organ.

Speaker 2 11:29

Nope.

Speaker 3 11:30

Okay. That was it though. That's, that was my best shot.

Speaker 2 11:32

<laugh>. No, that was powerful. I just think I could handle another shot. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like that was,

Speaker 3 11:37

I don't think I could either. Really took a lot out of me energy wise.

Speaker 2 11:41

You really committed. Yeah. You really, you really left it all out there on the stage.

Speaker 3 11:45

Being a performer is like really hard sometimes, You know, like people don't

Speaker 2 11:49

Talk about vulnerable, you know, you really just like bear your, You're most like

Speaker 3 11:54

Yeah. And like, like the think that like my acting is like very visceral. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and like reactive at the same time. And so it's like

Speaker 2 12:02

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I mean, acting like is reacting so

Speaker 3 12:05

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. You're, you're so right. Bestie. All right. So when are we gonna meet up for our next class at ucla?<laugh>. Jesus Christ. Okay.

Speaker 2 12:15

Yeah. But that is what we are talking about today. Which classic horror monsters have adhd. So we're gonna brainstorm. What are those classic monsters? What are their traits? Are those possible symptoms of ADHD and are very professional, not doctors at all, diagnosing completely fictional characters Opinions.

Speaker 3 12:43

Yeah. Totally normal stuff. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Totally run of the mill day to day. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> tasks being completed here in the or learn part core closet.

Speaker 2 12:53

Studio.

Speaker 3 12:55

It's a closet. The studio's a closet. It is a studio.

Speaker 2 12:59

Start

Speaker 3 13:01

Itu. Or start it, It sounds a little bit like you're saying cl

Speaker 2 13:07

<laugh>. I was going for a studio, but that works too.

Speaker 3 13:12

Yeah, no, I, I just<laugh>. Cause like, I think just like any cl like if you say it a little fast, people are gonna be like, Huh,

Speaker 2 13:20

<laugh> good. Raising awareness.

Speaker 3 13:22

The clitoris does exist

Speaker 2 13:25

Apparently. Yeah.

Speaker 3 13:26

Hard to find, but they're there. That's really not true. They're not hard to find. Just do like, just look at like a diagram. Just

Speaker 2 13:32

Like listen to one person with one.

Speaker 3 13:34

Yeah. Like, just, it's not that hard. Google's free. So anyways, let's talk about monsters.

Speaker 2 13:40

Let's talk about monsters.

Speaker 3 13:42

So when we say classic monsters, uh, can you gimme some example? Like what, what, what does that mean? Really? Classic monsters you think of.

Speaker 2 13:48

So I'm thinking like classic monsters. Any non-animal or sports player on a cereal box. We got your Chos, we got your, your Frankensteins, your mummies. That genre. Okay. Werewolves.

Speaker 3 14:05

Vampires.

Speaker 2 14:06

Vampires.

Speaker 3 14:06

You said Chos already. My apologies. That's all good.

Speaker 2 14:09

Um, common mistake. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 14:11

<affirmative>. I mean, Okay. If we're doing just cereal boxes though, like what does that do for like, I don't know, Crypts? Or is that, I guess that's probably another episode. Honestly, that's

Speaker 2 14:20

A whole other thing. I, I was gonna say, that's a whole other thing. I think we should wait to have a guest guest speaker for that one. Are

Speaker 3 14:25

You saying that we need to get Bigfoot or Moth man on the show?

Speaker 2 14:28

Bigfoot or Offman? If you are listening, well share our social media at the end of the show. Please reach out. We would love to have a chat. Um, hit me up about the podcast or otherwise

Speaker 3 14:39

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. And, and real quick, just in um, your native tongue, cuz I know, I know. Uh, English is not necessarily, it's a, it's a very odd language and it's a noise it to learn. So, um,

Speaker 2 15:00

I'm gonna take this moment to remind everybody else who just experienced that, that our studio is a closet.

Speaker 3 15:06

I'm so sorry. Well, we were watching, Well I was watching and then I brought Jordan in just to watch the section that, that I was watching.

Speaker 2 15:18

I think you single handedly disproved their theory though, cuz they were like, those are sounds that no human being can make. But here you just did. I

Speaker 3 15:26

Just did all of them. Uhhuh. Um, yeah, there's a documentary on, um, Netflix or Hulu, I don't know, but it's missing four 11. And it's that guy who like used to be an investigator for like the government, but now he's just like a PI and he like specifically looks at disappearances. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and specifically has got a lot of information about disappearances in the national park and state park system. Basically like wilderness areas. And, um, well, so basically he talks to some people who got some very unique audio that they claim belongs to the monsters. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> or, uh, or like, whatever the thing is. And they don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 16:08

Aliens extraterrestrial is kind of their Yeah.

Speaker 3 16:11

Or like whatever sort of non-human entity. Right. They, they, But basically they got this, they got some just howling on like, just making the weirdest noises.

Speaker 2 16:22

It's genuinely really disconcerting.

Speaker 3 16:26

It's really disconcerting. And like they apparently got like the audio analyzed professionally by like a couple of different specialists and different fields and stuff. And basically the consensus is a no human can make those frequencies uhhuh, that are lower and higher that those voices are making. B the size is guessed to be approximately between like seven and a half to like eight and a half feet tall. So bigger than a human. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but probably by petal. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. However, the speech pattern itself is not like the way that human speech patterns operate in like, the quickness of replies and things like that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So it like very genuinely they're like, we don't know what the this is. It's an unidentified call. It's an un unidentified sound. Yeah. And it is so weird sounding. It is so bizarre.

Speaker 2 17:15

It is. It is.

Speaker 3 17:16

So that was my, you know, my attempted communication. Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:19

I'm sure that like the audio engineers that they hired to analyze that are people who analyze weird and disturbing stuff just to like have that skill set. But I'm also wondering what it would be like if your job is just like general sound engineering, like you work concerts and stuff and maybe do some like podcast editing on the side and you get a like, fiver message that was like, Hey, can you look at this audio for me? And you're like, Sure. What do you need with it? You're like, is it human?

Speaker 3 17:55

Yeah. Like one fear. One fear.

Speaker 2 17:58

No. You have to like look at the spectrogram and you're like, Nope, it's not,

Speaker 3 18:03

It's not anything. We understand

Speaker 2 18:08

That that Or Freddy Mercury's back.

Speaker 3 18:12

<laugh>. Oh Christ. Anyways, so

Speaker 2 18:14

Anyways,

Speaker 3 18:15

Crypts will get to you. Yep. Okay. So we're talking vampires, werewolves, mummies, ghosts.

Speaker 2 18:21

Oh, ghosts. Very crucial. Yeah. Ghosts, Frankensteins.

Speaker 3 18:27

I mean, night is just one monster. There's not like a genre of monsters based on Frankenstein. It's just one That's monster. Yeah. And Frankenstein is the doctor, which I know we all know cause of the bit whatever, but, but we can include him. Cause I love him. Yeah. I love Frankenstein's monster so much.

Speaker 2 18:45

I'm also, I feel like if Dr. Frankenstein created this thing, this creature, this person, if that's kind of his son, wouldn't his name also be Frankenstein? If like we go with a general kind of patriarchal name, um, sharing

Speaker 3 19:03

Sort of, I would like maybe, but also in the books Frankenstein, he does just like take the monster to like the Arctic circle or some and is like good luck. Like, and just like literally just abandons the monster. So

Speaker 2 19:17

Dads do that sometimes.

Speaker 4 19:21

Christ.

Speaker 3 19:23

Oh, his dad did it too. Actually,

Speaker 2 19:32

My dad's birthday was yesterday.

Speaker 3 19:34

<laugh>. Oh well he's a great

Speaker 2 19:36

Dad. He is. He did not abandon me. No. Wait, I said he's sorry. You said he's a great dad and I said he isn't cuz I think I was responding to you saying he's not like that. My dad's a great dad. He didn't abandon me in the Arctic circle at all.

Speaker 3 19:51

Yeah. He hasn't abandoned you at all.

Speaker 2 19:54

At all.

Speaker 3 19:55

Yeah. Pretty great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 19:56

Pretty solid Dad.

Speaker 3 19:58

Pretty solid Dad.

Speaker 2 19:59

<laugh>. Unlike,

Speaker 3 20:01

Unlike Victor Frankenstein, Victor, that's his name, right? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't read that since like my freshman year of college, but. Yeah. Married Shelly. Yeah. Uh, where, how do we feel about like Tulu? We, I feel actually, you know what? him. Gen not like Kalu. I'm kind of neutral on the of Tulu, but like, yeah, we can just leave Lovecraft out of this. I feel like

Speaker 2 20:24

That's fine. I'm

Speaker 3 20:25

Doing that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you love craft. Like whatever. Yeah. So

Speaker 2 20:29

I'm thinking like very classic. Like everyone who was at the monster Mash

Speaker 3 20:34

Witches,

Speaker 2 20:34

Which is

Speaker 3 20:35

Witches, werewolves, ghosts, vampires, Special quest, Frankensteins. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mummies. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 20:41

<affirmative>.

Speaker 3 20:42

Ghouls. Those Ghosts. Ghosts kind of ghouls.

Speaker 2 20:45

Uh, yeah, I was gonna say, I think that that's in the same, they share enough traits that I would say it's maybe one of those zombies. Zombies. Oh my God, how did I forget zombies?

Speaker 3 20:54

You're not into horror at all. That's true. Like, there's every reason for you to not have

Speaker 2 20:58

This. I have the cranberry song. I should know that at least. Yeah.

Speaker 3 21:02

But like in the context of Halloween and classic monsters, like, you know,

Speaker 2 21:05

Fair. Fair. I think that's a very solid

Speaker 3 21:07

List. Okay. My next question mm-hmm.<affirmative>, do we want to include like, human monsters? And by that I, I don't mean specific serial killers. Mm. But like the general like acts murderer type, right? Like you've got like your, your Freddy's Yeah. Your Jason's. Yeah. You know, like, does that count? Cuz that is sort of a classic monster genre in horror. Yeah. But like, because it's a human, do you think? Okay. That's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 2 21:33

Yeah. I was gonna say, I feel like that edges into like diagnosis that I don't really wanna get into<laugh>.

Speaker 3 21:40

Yeah. Okay. And

Speaker 2 21:41

I think we have a solid list. Like

Speaker 3 21:42

Well we do. We do. I think I'm just like, what if we didn't include everybody

Speaker 2 21:45

Next year?

Speaker 3 21:46

There's so many monsters.

Speaker 2 21:47

There's so many monsters. But let's, let's dive in. Let's get into it. So first monster on the list. Vampires. What are their traits?

Speaker 3 21:55

Love blood.

Speaker 2 21:56

Love blood. Good.

Speaker 3 21:58

Very about blood. Um,

Speaker 2 22:00

Super into blood. Mm-hmm. Nocturnal.

Speaker 3 22:03

Yeah. Nocturnal. That's a good one. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Very anti garlic.

Speaker 2 22:08

Mm.

Speaker 3 22:08

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I'm trying to think of like traits that just don't sound like I, I'm trying to like not be super reductive and mean to these monsters, but like, pale.

Speaker 2 22:16

Pale. I mean that's,

Speaker 3 22:18

That's like, Well, so like nocturnal I guess kind of predicates that huh?

Speaker 2 22:21

Often. Often.

Speaker 3 22:23

Yeah. Um,

Speaker 2 22:24

I mean your skin tones, your skin tone fair is gonna be

Speaker 3 22:28

The most pallet version of your skin tone.

Speaker 2 22:30

Heavy skin tone. Yeah. Pallet. That's a good word. Yeah. Not necessarily pale,

Speaker 3 22:34

Classically. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But was it they're sylvanian? Yes.

Speaker 2 22:39

That's, Yeah. Classic vampires. Like classic Dracula. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> can't enter a home without permission.

Speaker 3 22:47

Yeah. You know, that's, I'm having some theories already. Yeah.

Speaker 2 22:52

<laugh>. Oh, they like counting. That's the whole like count on like Sesame Street. Yeah. That's why he's a count. Cuz he

Speaker 3 22:58

Counts. Cause he counts. Yeah. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Which is actually thought to be, you know what? Nope, we're gonna hold all that analogy in monster lore. We're just gonna hold it inside. I didn't say anything.

Speaker 2 23:06

I'm so thankful for you. We'll get there. We'll get to it. So let's see. Any other, what was it? Important

Speaker 3 23:13

Wood stakes. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> crosses. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Uh, really any sort of sign of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ is not great.

Speaker 2 23:23

Yeah. However,

Speaker 3 23:25

So I guess that's the thing, right? Is like, there's been so many iterations of these classic monsters. Yeah. So I feel like, take what we're saying, obviously with a grain of salt mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Cause this is very serious research. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I understand if you're, you know, really buckling down with a notebook for this one. Yeah. Uh,

Speaker 2 23:40

<laugh>. This is just our, I mean, you know, somebody will do a a, what's it called when you do do a study that's just a bunch of other studies. You can pair'em all.

Speaker 3 23:49

I've been out of grad school since 2018. That's what you want for me. That's fair.

Speaker 2 23:52

That's fair. This is just our, uh, decades, our, our life's work of, of research. So take it or leave it

Speaker 3 24:00

For me, I would walk that back and say, there's no possible way we're gonna get all these traits. Right. Yeah. Uh, in comprehensively. So if you are like, you didn't think about this, Okay, great. You did. Good job. Well

Speaker 2 24:16

Done.

Speaker 3 24:16

I'm happy for you. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 24:18

<affirmative>, they sparkle.

Speaker 3 24:19

Yeah. That's, that's another, that's

Speaker 2 24:22

Not classic, but I feel like it's really taken root in vampire, uh, stereotypes.

Speaker 3 24:31

I would disagree. I feel like it. Well look who's like, it's just the one iteration mm-hmm.<affirmative> that talks about them being sparkly mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And when people talk about vampires mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they jokingly say, and they're sparkly because it's like, Haha. So it's like they're not sparkly. Yeah. And that's pretty like for like these classic vampires, I feel like they've been pretty like, clear about being like, Hey, we're not sparkly, actually. Like, that's like a misconception. Yeah.

Speaker 2 24:54

I don't wanna like perpetuate

Speaker 3 24:56

Stereotypes. Yeah, exactly. Like Stephanie Meyer, like she really didn't do a research is what I, from what I understand. No, and I mean, don't get me started on the native werewolves. So maybe we shouldn't include twilight in our study, do

Speaker 2 25:08

You? Yeah.<laugh>. Yep.<laugh>.

Speaker 3 25:12

But great point. I'm glad we ironed that out. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm. I mean, vampires, anti garlic, anti wood, pro night time. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, probl blood. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 25:23

<affirmative>

Speaker 3 25:23

Sometimes can sparkle. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but they don't appreciate it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> when you stereotype them that

Speaker 2 25:29

Way. Oh. Can't cross moving water.

Speaker 3 25:32

Mm. Yeah. Yep. Can't cross moving water. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> can't see themselves in mirrors. Yeah. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> can't cross thresholds.

Speaker 2 25:38

Can't cross thresholds.

Speaker 3 25:39

A lot of can'ts.

Speaker 2 25:40

Yeah. Can I think like, move super fast. Have like super human strength. Oh.

Speaker 3 25:46

Oh. They, they can turn into

Speaker 2 25:48

Bats. They can turn into

Speaker 3 25:49

Bats. See, I knew, I was like, we're forgetting something big. Yeah. I think that was it is like they can turn into bats.

Speaker 2 25:55

Crucial. Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:56

And so whether they're flying as a little bat mm-hmm.<affirmative> or they're just in there like little vampire body. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 26:01

<affirmative>,

Speaker 3 26:02

They move real quick. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.

Speaker 2 26:04

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 26:05

<affirmative>. I don't, you know, Nosferatu was like on the complete opposite of that though. moved like a snail. Special effects at the time. Yeah. Were a little iffy. But that was one of the fir like people were, Did she like, you know that Right. The people were, their minds were blown by nose ferra because the physical like practical effects. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> of like, his coffin lifting up and the coffin opening with like, no indication of how that was happening. Like, that was huge for the film industry actually.

Speaker 2 26:33

Yeah.

Speaker 3 26:34

I'm fine.<laugh>, I'm a normal person. Yep.

Speaker 2 26:37

Sleep in coffins. That might be a good one too. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yes. But I think we have, I think we have a decent enough list. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, because vampires are, are just like us. They're unique. Everyone is

Speaker 3 26:50

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You know, out

Speaker 2 26:52

Of their own mix of traits and mm-hmm.<affirmative> bring something new to the table, but given what we know, our pool.

Speaker 3 27:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:01

First instincts, vampires. Do they have adhd?

Speaker 3 27:04

I mean, I'd say yes. Nocturnal automatically. Yeah. Not on the right, not on the quote unquote. Right. Uh, or correct time. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> schedule that people generally like to hold everyone to mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, fast. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> just kind of a higher vibration of movement. Yeah. Um, very erratic.

Speaker 2 27:22

Yeah. Can be killed with stakes through the heart. Like I think everyone with adhd.

Speaker 3 27:28

Yeah. No, that's, I mean, yeah. Yeah. You got me there. No object. Permanence. Can't see themselves in the mirror. Mm.

Speaker 2 27:36

Counts. That's a very good one. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 27:40

I'm, I'm pretty proud of that one. That

Speaker 2 27:42

One.<laugh>. That's very good. Well done. All right. Do we think that they have any like, inattentive, hyperactive combined or there's just like a range?

Speaker 3 27:53

I feel like it's gotta be hyperactive, right? I think so. Like, between like the fast movement, No object. Permanence. Like just very like, like they're erratic. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I think.

Speaker 2 28:03

Yeah.

Speaker 3 28:03

Like, you never really,

Speaker 2 28:05

Like, they literally like take

Speaker 3 28:07

Flight. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 28:08

Yeah. Yep. All right. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> nice and

Speaker 3 28:10

Structure's very good for them. How so? You have to come back and you have to sleep in your coffin during the daytime or else you die.

Speaker 2 28:17

Very good point. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. You're

Speaker 3 28:20

Good. Thank you.

Speaker 2 28:21

So vampires have hyperactive adhd.

Speaker 3 28:25

Yeah. That seems correct

Speaker 2 28:27

To me. You heard it here first.

Speaker 3 28:28

If you're a vampire and you disagree, you know, let us know. Like reach out and you know, if you're a vampire and you're immortal, reach out. Let us know.

Speaker 2 28:37

Talk to us. Follow up question though. What would happen if a vampire sucked the blood of somebody like on Adderall? Hmm.

Speaker 3 28:49

Do you think they'd get extra good at counting? Or do you think it would overload them? Like do you think, cuz like, I'm thinking like, do you think they'd just sleep through the night and the next day? I guess it kind of depends on how fast they drink the blood, right? Yeah. Cause like if you're taking a little sips throughout the day, that's like extended release

Speaker 2 29:09

<laugh>,

Speaker 3 29:13

You know?

Speaker 2 29:14

Yeah.

Speaker 3 29:15

Like if they suck a lot of ADHD blood all at once, do they just like pass the out or

Speaker 2 29:20

Get the zumi?

Speaker 3 29:21

Yeah. Do they get the zus? Yeah. Like are they, instead of sleeping in their coffin all day? Yeah. Are they like windows all drawn of course for safety mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But are they like drafting the next declaration of Independence? I don't know.

Speaker 2 29:36

Yeah. Drafting the next plot to steal the next declaration of Independence. Like,

Speaker 3 29:41

Yeah,

Speaker 2 29:42

I think that that probably depends on, I think you're right, like feeding time mm-hmm.<affirmative> and also the dosage that the victim is on.

Speaker 3 29:52

Yeah. Well, in the tolerance too, right? Yeah. Because like, you know, some vampires, they just have like a human pet that they'll feed on and increments. Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:00

Or they just, you know, target. You could just target people with ADHD and be like, You're on the meds. I'll just, you know.

Speaker 3 30:05

Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 30:07

Follow people out of the pharmacy.

Speaker 3 30:09

Rough. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I, I think yeah. It depends kind of on, probably on tolerance too. Yeah. You know, if you're, if you've been just like honking that Bobo

Speaker 2 30:17

God. Yeah. How high would your tolerance have to be after like, hundreds of years

Speaker 3 30:22

Of just Adderall popped

Speaker 2 30:23

Up? People and probably, and like living through the era of like, cocaine. Cocaine. Just being in soda.

Speaker 3 30:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:29

So I think that Adderall would just put him to sleep. Like that would be nothing. Yeah. I'm revising my theory. I think that that's it. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 30:36

<affirmative>. Okay. Great. Done and

Speaker 2 30:37

Dusted. Done and dusted. Shall we move on to the next one?

Speaker 3 30:40

Uh, sh We shall

Speaker 2 30:42

Mummies.

Speaker 3 30:42

Where do we even start with these guys

Speaker 2 30:45

Traits.

Speaker 3 30:45

Yeah. Where do we even start with these guys? Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:49

Wrapped.

Speaker 3 30:50

Yeah. Usually. Yes. Literally mummified.

Speaker 2 30:53

Yes. Yeah. Mummified. So had

Speaker 3 30:55

All their organs removed and they've been embalmed and Yeah. Preserved and, uh, usually known for being specifically Egyptian.

Speaker 2 31:04

Yes.

Speaker 3 31:05

Which seems problematic.

Speaker 2 31:08

Before we get into the rest of the specifics, we might have already answered our own question. I don't think mummies can have ADHD if they don't have a brain.

Speaker 3 31:19

Yeah. All right. Sorry. Mummies.

Speaker 2 31:22

Sorry mummies.

Speaker 3 31:23

But like, you're doing

Speaker 2 31:24

Great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 31:25

Keep chasing after. Keep,

Speaker 2 31:27

Uh, shaming slowly after your dreams.

Speaker 3 31:30

Keep shambling slowly after your dreams is probably one of the funniest things you've said in a long time. off. Won't

Speaker 2 31:37

Put that on a sticker. Yeah. Um, alright, great. I'm gonna call that one a wrap. Shall we keep it moving? Oh, absolutely. Where wolves traits,

Speaker 3 31:48

Half wolf, half person?

Speaker 2 31:49

Yeah. Half wolf, half human. Usually not like half and half. Physically half and half time wise, it's not like a, a mermaid situation.

Speaker 3 31:58

Yeah, definitely not like a centar no issue or anything like that. It's, Yeah, they, it's like a split shift. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> half the time they're human. Half the time they're puppies.

Speaker 2 32:08

That's actually what night shift by Lucy Day is about

Speaker 3 32:11

<laugh>.<laugh>. I'm just imagining like, because gonna show our asses here real quick. I'm imagining just like some werewolves, Werewolves.

Speaker 2 32:26

Werewolves. Yeah. Werewolves.

Speaker 3 32:28

Werewolves. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> driving down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago at night, Windows down just like a, and then just like devolving into howel sobs,

Speaker 2 32:47

Which is what happens when I listen to the night shift too. So like Yeah. You're so valid. So

Speaker 3 32:52

valid. Where was, um,

Speaker 2 32:54

Full moon reactive to the full moon mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um,

Speaker 3 32:58

But like most of us are, that's the tough thing with, where that's the tough thing with all of these, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative> is like, they are like monsters. Whether you believe in them literally or not, they are creations of humanity. Right? What's

Speaker 2 33:11

The Gamma del Toro quote?

Speaker 3 33:12

I'm glad you asked. That's actually gonna be my dt so great. I'm gonna hold back. But there's a great gammer giermo, there's a great quote mm-hmm.<affirmative> by fame to and Halloween director. Mm-hmm. Er, I can't say it. My throat is literally catching around his

Speaker 2 33:32

Name. I'm so sorry. Guillermo del Toro.

Speaker 3 33:33

Giermo del Toro. Like literally I can like feel thele layer like right here and it's like right in the double Ls and I'm like, anyways.

Speaker 2 33:43

Yeah. It's a flum.

Speaker 3 33:44

I can't imagine why I'm sure me just screeching for like half a second. You know? That was fine. Um, um, but yeah, so I think the tough thing with werewolves mm-hmm.<affirmative> and like when you say the stuff about like the full moon affects werewolves, I'm like, Oh, fulfillment affects all of us. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:03

What else, what do they, what do they do when they're wear wolves? What's

Speaker 3 34:07

They are? I mean, they lose control of themselves. It sort of the typical thing, right? It's like they lose control of their, like they lose contact with the human, quote unquote half of their brain. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> essentially. And they just become regular old wolves with a taste for human flesh. And so they usually do hunt humans. Okay. Uh, that's a werewolf bite will turn other people into werewolf. Gotcha. So like, I would imagine some time is taken up with hunting mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and you know, chewing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Lots of chomping.

Speaker 2 34:40

Did you know that dogs Yeah. Poop on a north south like axis. Like that's kind of why they circle around and they usually are oriented north or south.

Speaker 3 34:51

That is so weird,

Speaker 2 34:53

Isn't it?

Speaker 3 34:54

Nature's amazing.

Speaker 2 34:55

I know,

Speaker 3 34:56

But also terrifying. I

Speaker 2 34:57

Wonder if you would retain that sense as

Speaker 3 35:01

A

Speaker 2 35:01

Werewolf in your person form, or if you would only get that, I feel like you would have to at least Would you do subconscious be like a

Speaker 3 35:08

Pilot? No, I know, but like, what would you do if you're sitting down on like a toilet, like a public toilet and the toilet's facing east west<laugh>?

Speaker 2 35:15

I mean, I'm sure you could use the human part of your brain to say, I don't have to sit that way,

Speaker 3 35:21

But what if you did

Speaker 2 35:23

<laugh>?

Speaker 3 35:23

I don't. Okay. So basically, you know, they, they do dog stuff mm-hmm.<affirmative> and they also do human stuff. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and that's kind of their whole thing. Yeah. But I think, yeah, the, the main sort of plot line with werewolves is that they lose control. Yeah. And then there's also a stereotype of like, even when they're in their human forms, they just have like some dog traits. Yeah. So I mean, from there I personally would jump right into, I think they probably do have adhd. Yeah. Cuz most people that I'm like, Ha, you remind me of a dog. Like Yeah.

Speaker 2 35:55

That kind of golden retriever. Yes.

Speaker 3 35:57

Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> speaking, 100% self dunk.<laugh> boy, I, I've really, And in, in terms of like monsters on this list, right? Yeah. Like as a child, like which ones did I connect the most with? You know, like werewolves for sure. Yeah. At least on this list of like classic monsters. Yeah. Like werewolves. I was always like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I dunno. What do you think?

Speaker 2 36:19

I, I would agree with that. I feel like you definitely know more about where wolves than I do<laugh>. Um, but to that end point of it's about losing control. I feel like that's just hyper fixation baby. That's just being impulsive. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um mm-hmm.<affirmative>.

Speaker 3 36:36

That's just hyper fixation. Baby. I hate you. Hey, we haven't had any quotes that could be on stickers for like two years, but now here we wrap. Here's five in one episode. Here's five zingers.

Speaker 2 36:50

Oh, Halloween stickers would be so

Speaker 3 36:52

Fun. They would be so fun. Oh. Like a little orange disco ball. Okay.

Speaker 2 36:56

I was just trying to think through like hyperactive versus inattentive. Mm.

Speaker 3 37:02

I'm tempted to say combined.

Speaker 2 37:04

Yeah.

Speaker 3 37:05

The half and half mm-hmm.<affirmative> situation. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and how they seem to have traits of both Yeah. In pretty equal measure.

Speaker 2 37:13

Yeah. Well, and I think that there's, it seems like a big part of the werewolf experience is like recovering from the werewolf time. Yeah. And that just like exhaustion mm-hmm.<affirmative> and you have no idea why mm-hmm.<affirmative> Yeah. Combined type that tracks. Yeah. I'll, I'll put, I'll put my name behind that one. Same. Great. Where Wolff's

Speaker 3 37:35

Next?

Speaker 2 37:35

Sorry? Frankenstein's

Speaker 3 37:39

Monster. Okay. I mean, I have some opinions on this, but let's talk traits.

Speaker 2 37:43

Let's talk traits. Bolt in the neck often.

Speaker 3 37:48

Electricity powered.

Speaker 2 37:49

Electricity powered. Yes.

Speaker 3 37:50

Yes. Electric uhhuh. Yeah. That's Yes. Made

Speaker 2 37:54

Up of other people's part.

Speaker 3 37:56

Yeah. I was gonna say like, uh, the sew together body parts. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> is a pretty big thing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.

Speaker 2 38:01

Um, also a superhuman strength situation. Yeah,

Speaker 3 38:04

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sort of like superhuman strength, you know, in the books. It, it was said that Victor Frankenstein like, tried to make him like handsome Uhhuh<affirmative> or kind of sexy. Yeah. So we could just jot that down. Yeah. Sexy. Yeah. I, I'm comfortable admitting that as a, just a full on Frankenstein trade, right? Yeah. Just say it

Speaker 2 38:23

To, Well I think that it's worth noting that if we are gonna look at the whole of Frankenstein esque characters. Cause there really is one Frankenstein. Yeah.

Speaker 3 38:33

And it's not even the monster. Yeah.

Speaker 2 38:35

Well,

Speaker 3 38:36

Unless you look at it from like a morality standpoint, in which case Frankenstein absolutely is the monster. Yes.

Speaker 2 38:42

Uh, Frankenstein's creature. If we are thinking about Frankenstein esque creatures, um, Rocky Horror picture show. Mm. Very sexy. Sexy. That's like a whole point. That's

Speaker 3 38:53

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think like, so as up as it is Yeah. Like having different body parts sewn together mm-hmm.<affirmative> means that you can pick and as up as this is, and it doesn't necessarily look good at the end. Yeah.

Speaker 2 39:04

But you can

Speaker 3 39:04

Pick the best body parts Yeah. From each body.

Speaker 2 39:08

Here's the thing though, I think we might have run into a similar, similar end as our mummy's question where we kind of just answered ourselves. Frankenstein sexy obviously has adhd.

Speaker 3 39:20

Yeah. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say like, Frankenstein's monster, like does have a brain. Yeah. Right. And so like, has a brain. So it has the ability and I would say the odds mm-hmm.<affirmative> of the being made up of that many different human body parts and not having ADHD pretty low. So we can add that into the reasoning.

Speaker 2 39:41

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 39:41

<affirmative>. Yep. But like same. Yep. He had me as sexy<laugh>. You're sexy. You got adhd. Probably probably inattentive. Yeah. Just real big. Like, Yeah. I don't know what the I'm doing. I'm just, I'm just here being hot. Well,

Speaker 2 39:53

And he is kind of a, he's hot, but he's also like kind of a thinker. Like he kind of thinks about like the nature of humanity. So that kind of pondering Yeah.

Speaker 3 40:00

Yeah. Yeah. Thinks about like, I don't know. Why can't I just have a normal dad? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, why can't my dad and I just have a loving relationship.

Speaker 2 40:08

<laugh><laugh>. God, that's, it's sadder every time we're,

Speaker 3 40:13

It's, it's really sad. The story of Frankenstein is up. It is. It is. Mary Shelly did so good, but also, what the

Speaker 2 40:21

Yeah. I'm, this is, I'm gonna self d unk on myself now. U m, have not actually read the book mm-hmm.< affirmative>, but did see both versions of the stage play there where both B etty Toots cucumber, but, and J ohnny Lee Miller played Frankenstein and Victor Frankenstein and switched parts every night. That's fun. It was actually wonderful. And u m, b ut yeah, it was a great show. Great show. U m, I saw the movie version of it. Obviously I was not in London for it, b ut

Speaker 3 40:50

Fair. Fair. Um, I read the book

Speaker 2 40:54

<laugh>. You sure did.

Speaker 3 40:56

Um,

Speaker 2 40:57

So yeah. In attempt of adhd, Frankenstein,

Speaker 3 41:00

Bang, bang, boom. There you go.

Speaker 2 41:02

Dang.

Speaker 3 41:02

Let's talk about ghosts.

Speaker 2 41:03

Let's talk about ghosts. What do you wanna say about ghosts?

Speaker 3 41:07

Lex, uh, traits Dead.

Speaker 2 41:08

Dead can walk through walls.

Speaker 3 41:11

I would say like further in, instead of just walk through walls, I would say like not, or in capor. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 41:18

<affirmative>.

Speaker 3 41:18

Yes. They don't have bodies. They are word. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they are in Capor. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 41:23

<affirmative>. They may or may not be human shaped. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, but

Speaker 3 41:29

Sometimes those are just a little balla light. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 41:31

<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> or you, you have your classic kind of like sheet covered.

Speaker 3 41:36

Oh yeah. A little Casper action. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 41:39

<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. You could have like a full on like some color of

Speaker 3 41:43

Lady. That's true. Yeah. You could have like full HD detailed mm-hmm. Person standing in front of you and then you go to touch em and there's

Speaker 2 41:51

Nothing there. Classic Victorian child. Oh that's also a popular one. Uhhuh<affirmative>. Uhhuh<affirmative>. Um,

Speaker 3 41:57

Yeah, there's a lot of different kinds of ghosts. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But I feel like the general thing is Yeah, Inc. Capor. Yeah. And dead.

Speaker 2 42:04

And I feel like haunting, Haunting was a Yes. The haunt. Significant part of being a ghost.

Speaker 3 42:09

Yeah. How could I forget? That's like my thing. Right? That's the whole job is haunt.

Speaker 2 42:13

Whether or not it's antagonistic, I would say. Yeah. I think there's room for both, but either way it involves kind of

Speaker 3 42:19

Up. Yeah. Yeah. Well and it's usually about unfinished business. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So, Hmm. Hmm. Well, so I'm thinking about like, cuz those traits are pretty basic, but that's kind of it. Ba ba boom is the, it's the ghost. But my thing that makes me think that ghosts probably would have adhd. Okay. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> is that ghosts who are, are still here. Right? Yeah. Like they have it passed on. Yep. Cuz they have quote unquote unfinished business cuz they forgot Cause they forgot to do stuff. Right? Yeah. So they forgot about it. And then also when you think about, when you think about the way that they tried to treat illnesses in the past mm-hmm.<affirmative> and that ghosts, you know, like, I think specifically of the, like you got ghosts in your blood, you should do cocaine about it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So if the ghosts were a symptom Yeah. Of ADHD and other mental like mental illnesses that we didn't necessarily understand mm-hmm.<affirmative> it does lead me to think like, well, maybe ghosts just have it, they're just, just born with it. Hate that. You know? Yeah. Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's she's a ghost and she's got adhd. It's

Speaker 2 43:25

A ghost. Just adhd. I hate that we were on the exact same page there

Speaker 3 43:28

Of Maybelline

Speaker 2 43:30

No. Of just the entire thesis statement. The reason that they're still ghosts is cuz they have unfinished business and the reason they have unfinished business is cuz they forgot to do it in their human life. Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 3 43:42

Yeah. And I mean, we could be wrong. I feel like I would put money on most ghosts having adhd, but I feel like ghosts are one of the things that I'm like, could be different. Yeah. Cause they're so varied. There

Speaker 2 43:52

Are other reasons to have unfinished business. Yeah.

Speaker 3 43:56

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:56

There's many ghost options. You're correct.

Speaker 3 43:58

But the likelihood, Yeah. high elk. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So, I mean, I feel pretty good about that. I feel pretty good about that too. Like whether it's hyperactive combined or inattentive. I think they've, I think they, they can run the gamut. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know,

Speaker 2 44:10

Just like all the different shapes mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yep. Yep. That feels good. That feels organic.

Speaker 3 44:15

Sweet, tight. What do we got next?

Speaker 2 44:18

Zombies.

Speaker 3 44:19

Zombies. Okay. They don't have brains.

Speaker 2 44:21

Yes.

Speaker 3 44:22

Well, but they eat brains.

Speaker 2 44:24

I think they do have brains. They're just like infected with zombie

Speaker 3 44:28

Fair. And then they also want to eat

Speaker 2 44:30

Brains. Yes. They want want to eat brains. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Cause I guess it's kind of a, it's

Speaker 3 44:34

Infected with zombie. Sorry, I'm just kind of processing the words you said with your mouth.

Speaker 2 44:38

I did say that.

Speaker 3 44:40

What? Infected with zombie?

Speaker 2 44:42

Yes.

Speaker 3 44:42

Okay.

Speaker 2 44:43

That's like a, I would argue that that is a pretty significant component of many pieces of zombie media. That it's like an infection based.

Speaker 3 44:52

Okay. Yeah. Infected an infection that causes zombie

Speaker 2 44:56

Zo.

Speaker 3 44:56

Yes. Zombie is, Yeah. I I think just the like

Speaker 2 45:00

Infected with

Speaker 3 45:00

Zombie. Infected with zombie is like the most incorrect way to say it just feels so weird and wrong and it's just like a, as a resident evil, you know, player mm-hmm.<affirmative> from a young age. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> sort of like the, I'm sorry. They're what?

Speaker 2 45:13

Yeah. I will fully admit that zombies are not really in my wheelhouse. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So Yeah. You take the wheel

Speaker 3 45:20

Here. I mean, I'm, Okay, so when I think zombies mm-hmm.<affirmative> dead.

Speaker 2 45:23

Mm-hmm.<affirmative> dead. Undead.

Speaker 3 45:25

So dead. But still mobile. Yes. They have their own brains, but they do love those sweet brains. They crave those sweet, sweet brains. Yeah.

Speaker 2 45:34

I feel like they're, they're similar to mummies.

Speaker 3 45:37

Yeah. But the so mummies, I feel like they're kind of like an in between, not in between, but like, they're similar to mummies Right. In that like, in some ways unad mm-hmm.<affirmative> slow moving typically mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But then you also have zombies that are like zumi zombies. That's true. And like you can only get'em with like a headshot and nothing else. Right? Yeah. Like there's no other way to take those bad boys down. Yeah. Um,

Speaker 2 46:00

Well, and I think mummies are usually justifiably antagonistic. Like, it's usually cuz someone's like stealing their or trying to eat them Victorians

Speaker 3 46:11

Or also just like they woke them up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, just let'em sleep.

Speaker 2 46:16

Mommy's mind their own business. Yeah. Zombies. Zombies start.

Speaker 3 46:19

They do. I was kind of thinking, I was like zombies. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I'm, I'm tempted to say that zombies like don't have ADHD because they're persistent.

Speaker 2 46:29

Yeah. And antagonistic. And

Speaker 3 46:31

Antagonistic. Yeah. And like they want to eat people.

Speaker 2 46:35

Yeah.

Speaker 3 46:36

And like, they're more a metaphor for like being one of the many, you know, like mm-hmm.<affirmative> sort of mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so I think that like, even metaphorically Yeah. They don't have it. That's, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's kind of how I'm feeling about it. It's just like, I don't know. They're zombies, they're unad, they aren't really, it's kind of like they have a brain but they don't really have a brain. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know what I mean? Like they all they think about is how they want more brain. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and how, oh, there's a wall in front of me. I guess I'll just keep running into it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> until like,

Speaker 2 47:08

It's, it's more of a special interest than a hyper fixation. Yeah.

Speaker 3 47:11

Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. That's so valid.

Speaker 2 47:13

So zombies are a No,

Speaker 3 47:15

I'm gonna say zombies are a no. Uh,

Speaker 2 47:17

Zombies are a No. I feel that feels right.

Speaker 3 47:20

I feel like some zombie passionate person is gonna be like, you.

Speaker 2 47:24

Oh, sure. Uh,

Speaker 3 47:25

Zombies have adhd. I know it.

Speaker 2 47:28

I think maybe if you had ADHD in life and then you died or you you died and got reanimated or you got bit Yeah. And became a zombie then like zombies can have adhd,

Speaker 3 47:44

But it's not like a facet of that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 47:47

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 47:48

<affirmative>. Okay. This last category is a big one.

Speaker 2 47:50

It is. And I will also acknowledge that there are, there are real ones, so we're not talking about those people.

Speaker 3 47:58

Yeah. No. Um, the last category is witches. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So I guess let's talk traits. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, shall we narrow it down to like classic monster witch?

Speaker 2 48:08

Yes.

Speaker 3 48:08

Cause I think that's gonna be the way to go. Yes. Because like you said, there are a lot of people who practice, uh, different, different types of magics and witchcraft and other things and we're not knocking that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I guess we could have said that about like Vam prism. There are people who drink other people's blood and have like medical vam prism. We weren't talking about you either. What? Yeah.

Speaker 2 48:28

Is that a thing?

Speaker 3 48:29

Yeah. It's usually like very, very niche mental illness. Like sort of thing that they put on criminal minds like on a Halloween episode, you know, of like, there are people who drank other people's blood.

Speaker 2 48:39

Oh, I know about that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 48:41

But like, cause they're like anemic. Yeah. And so it is like a problem with them and they find the wrong solution. Got it. But it is

Speaker 2 48:46

A solution when it doesn't give you the classic vampire pros or cons. So Yeah. No, no. Okay. No, that's fair. But

Speaker 3 48:54

Like, that's the other thing, right? Is like so many of these myths and monsters and lore, it's so deeply intertwined with actual human history. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and actual human behavior. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so they really are a reflection of of of culture. Yeah. Of people that's

Speaker 2 49:11

Yeah. Monsters inherently are, Yeah.

Speaker 3 49:15

Yeah. Monsters are inherently, Yeah.

Speaker 2 49:17

Monsters are inherently, I would amend that monsters are inherently Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 49:22

Monsters are inherently Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell

Speaker 2 49:26

Yeah. Let's talk about witches. Yes.

Speaker 3 49:27

Okay, so traits. Green skin,

Speaker 2 49:30

Green skin. Um, pointy hat.

Speaker 3 49:32

Warts.

Speaker 2 49:33

Warts. Um,

Speaker 3 49:35

Old,

Speaker 2 49:35

Old may or may not eat children

Speaker 3 49:38

May or may not eat children.

Speaker 2 49:40

I, I think that they're kind of inscrutable behavior. Sometimes it's helpful, sometimes it's not.

Speaker 3 49:45

Yeah. Like definitely walking that line of like, am I evil or good. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, both. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 49:51

<affirmative>, like very internally motivated.

Speaker 3 49:53

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, fly

Speaker 2 49:53

On brooms. Fly on brooms, have cats. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.

Speaker 3 49:57

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like usually like ravens. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 49:59

<affirmative> cauldron make potions.

Speaker 3 50:01

Yeah. They can make potions. They make.

Speaker 2 50:04

Hmm. What are you thinking? What groundbreaking, which discovery have you sussed out?

Speaker 3 50:11

I don't think it's groundbreaking.<laugh>. Okay. But with the potions. The cauldron. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I was just thinking about how witches are like magical pharmacists.

Speaker 2 50:20

Mm.

Speaker 3 50:22

But with the chaos mm-hmm.<affirmative> and the sort of erratic behavior, it kind of brings me back to the werewolves mm-hmm.<affirmative> Right. Of maybe some sort of ADHD combined type mm-hmm.<affirmative> where it's not necessarily intentional. Yeah. They're just kind of doing whatever and it seems very erratic and strange to other people. Yeah. But like if witches have adhd, they're like people who are seasoned and have had ADHD for a long time Yeah. And are able to help other people. Well

Speaker 2 50:50

And I think that that's, that's another crucial part of I think the witch genre. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> cubs.

Speaker 3 50:56

That's true. Community.

Speaker 2 50:57

Community. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>,

Speaker 3 50:58

Which yeah. We got community, we've got flexibility. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and like sort of a, just an ability to do everything.

Speaker 2 51:08

Yeah. Kind of that jack of all trades. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> zone. Which feels very ADHD to me.

Speaker 3 51:14

It does. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And also when I think about an old woman who lives in the woods and then sometimes goes to meet up her other old lady friends mm-hmm.<affirmative> and dance naked under the moonlight. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, my first instinct is not Mm. Yes. A neurotypical. Yeah. So something's going on there. Yep. And I'm inclined to say that it's probably combined type adhd. I would. Yeah. What do you think?

Speaker 2 51:37

I'm fully on board that those are, that's not, those are not neurotypical traits. I think it's a mix. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I think that there's, there's a lot of community knowledge there and I think that there's some witches, you know, I think that there's some witches who are, you know, inattentive and they may be more of the, like, I'm in the cats garden. Like I, you know, am the one who is like losing my spell books all the time and like, making new stuff up. You might have the witch who is more hyperactive and they're the one who's like, Yeah, let's dance in the moonlight. Let's do that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like I think that you have to have the

Speaker 3 52:14

Full, a lot of facets. Yeah. Yes. So they, they have all types of adhd. Yes. But do all have adhd? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. I mean, I guess like how, if you get to the point of being a witch, you only get there through various special interests. Yep.<laugh> so kind of speaks for itself. Yep. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. Monsters are inherently Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 52:36

Monsters are inherently hell yeah. Can I actually circle back really quick to ghosts?

Speaker 3 52:41

Yes.

Speaker 2 52:41

What would happen if a ghost and or ghost adjacent spirit possessed somebody with adhd? Because I have a theory.

Speaker 3 52:50

Okay. I mean, he, What are you thinking? Because like, I'm, I'm not totally sure where, where you're headed with this. Fair. So I'd to hear

Speaker 2 52:56

More. That's fair. I'm curious about your genuine thoughts. I don't think much would happen cuz it would be one of two things. One, either this person has ADHD and they're already zoning out or doing weird stuff or staying up too late and being really loud. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So you wouldn't really notice a difference or the ghost would just like not be able to hang on like, you know, you lose so much stuff in your brain. Yeah. You'd just go

Speaker 3 53:23

In

Speaker 2 53:24

The folder with everything else that I will never remember again. Like

Speaker 3 53:28

Do you think possessions can't happen to people with ADHD because they can't really grasp bond to anything solidly. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 53:35

I believe it. That ghost lives in the same folder as the 1:00 PM meeting I absolutely had today and didn't log onto because I was too busy thinking about the fish tank. Yeah.

Speaker 3 53:45

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> 10 out of 10.

Speaker 2 53:48

Thank you. So there you

Speaker 3 53:49

Have it. That's incredible. I, I mean, yeah. I feel pretty good about this, uh, this research. It's been very well thought out. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we've taken our time with it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> definitely. No, no snap decisions made here.

Speaker 2 53:59

Nope. Nope. We'll publish the full bibliography. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm<affirmative> on the website.

Speaker 3 54:04

<laugh>. Yeah. It'll be a, don't worry, it'll be an APA format. Uhhuh. Yeah. Uhhuh. Well maybe Chicago style. We'll see. No

Speaker 2 54:11

Mla.

Speaker 3 54:11

No. Well mla. Yeah.

Speaker 2 54:13

None of the sources are Wikipedia at

Speaker 3 54:15

All. No, none of them. Hell yeah. So this is the part of the show where we're done with the main segment. We go over to a trampoline called the Dopamine Trampoline. We hop upon it, we tell you about things that make us, you know, happy

Speaker 2 54:27

Half the dopamine.

Speaker 3 54:28

Whether that's a hyper fixation or a special interest or just something that, you know, made me smile. We'll talk about

Speaker 2 54:34

It. Yeah. So it's like trick or treat, but the treat is brain chemicals.

Speaker 3 54:38

Yeah. And it's immediate because it's happening right now. What's your dt Jordan<laugh>.

Speaker 2 54:44

My DT is pretty

Speaker 3 54:46

Short. Yeah.

Speaker 2 54:47

Pretty short and sweet today. Um, in fact, I'd say it's probably under a minute content wise, as of yesterday, night Penn, bad leaves on TikTok.

Speaker 3 54:58

Forgot. I forgot. I was like, that is your gt.

Speaker 2 55:02

I can't really articulate why that delights me so much cuz like, I've seen a couple things that he's in. One of them was you and that was a deeply emotionally starring experience. That's fine. I only watched like a season and a half of it. There's like three soon to be four. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I saw like two episodes of Gossip Girl and I think that's probably where 50% of the humor's coming from, cuz it's like that guy now, but just a, not what I expected. Kind of forgot about him. B there are two videos, two videos up right now and I don't wanna spoil'em too much. One of them is a Taylor Swift song that he's acting out. So that's delightful. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, and the other one is a very literal response to a comment. So the interaction possibility that that has already set up is wild.

Speaker 3 55:56

Yeah. And for context, the Taylor Swift one, the aforementioned Taylor Swift TikTok, he is dressed up as Joe from you.

Speaker 2 56:03

Oh,

Speaker 3 56:04

Is he? Yeah. With that baseball hat, that's what's happening. That's why like the, like who's the problem? It's you. Okay. And he's like, it's, it's his whole sort of refrain of like, Please stop romanticizing this character that I play because he is so up. Please.

Speaker 2 56:17

Gotcha. Please don't, He just wears such like, normal guy clothes. Like aside from like the, the murdering and the obviously like completely rotten brain and soul. He's just a guy, you know? And

Speaker 3 56:29

That's why it's scary.

Speaker 2 56:30

Yes. That's why it's terrifying. But also

Speaker 3 56:32

Why it's so,

Speaker 2 56:34

Like, such a guy that I didn't even clock that. I was just like, Penn Badgley is just loaded his apartment.

Speaker 3 56:39

Oh. That's why I started

Speaker 2 56:40

Laughing. New album.

Speaker 3 56:41

Oh my God. No. That's why I started laughing cause I was like, lol,<laugh>. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 56:45

That's even better cuz like, also Good point. Stop doing that.

Speaker 3 56:49

It's so Oh my God. Well thank you. Yeah. That's a great dt. Yeah. 10 outta 10.

Speaker 2 56:55

Yeah. My pleasure. Uh, what do you got for us?

Speaker 3 56:57

I got a real short one too. Brilliant. It's, uh, that quote by Gimo del Toro that we were having trouble with, uh, earlier mm-hmm.<affirmative> or, or that I was talking about earlier. And it's, um, he gave it in a speech, uh, at the Golden Globes in I wanna say 2018, um, for the Shape of Water when he was accepting that award. But the quote is, um, since childhood I've been faithful to monsters. I have been saved and absolved by them because monsters I believe are patron saints of our blissful imperfection and they allow and embody the possibility of failing. So it just gets me, it's like I have it on like my screen at work. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So that quote just kind of hits me in the face every day. Yeah. And it feels like I'm, I'm, I feel like I've talked about it on the show before, maybe, um, maybe in another Halloween episode probably, but I, it, it just really, Yeah. I have a lot of passionate feelings. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> about monsters as a concept. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and about like horror and why humans like it so much mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And it's all just really fascinating to me on like an esoteric like anthropological thought level, but also on like a very visceral, like relatable feelings, heart level. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Love that quote. Love it with my whole heart. Um, but yeah, absolutely. Thanks for tuning in everybody. Let's wrap it

Speaker 2 58:12

Up. Let's wrap it up. Yeah. I think if anyone is going to be appreciative of a patron saint of blissful imperfection and the possibility of failing, I know, I appreciate that. And I don't think that I'm the only

Speaker 3 58:27

One. Yeah. I mean that same. Yeah. Yeah. Mood. Yep. Mood.

Speaker 2 58:32

All right. Well thanks for tuning in for this Halloween episode. If you've plans tonight, stay safe. Nobody's putting drugs in your candy. People don't give away free drugs. That's all I have. Should we sign it out? Well

Speaker 3 58:43

Sign it out.

Speaker 2 58:44

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Speaker 3 58:47

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Speaker 2 58:52

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Speaker 3 59:05

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Speaker 2 59:12

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Speaker 3 59:21

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Speaker 2 59:28

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Speaker 2 1:00:24

You sure can. Do we have an outro question?

Speaker 3 1:00:27

I don't think so. Just like, Happy Halloween everybody. Happy

Speaker 2 1:00:30

Halloween.

Speaker 3 1:00:31

Hallowed bey. Ween.

Speaker 2 1:00:32

You're gonna what?

Speaker 3 1:00:33

Hallowed bey. Ween. I'm not doing anything. You're hallowed is being It's we already. It's already

Speaker 2 1:00:39

Hallowed.

Speaker 3 1:00:39

It's hallowed. Your ween is hallowed.

Speaker 2 1:00:41

Thank you.

Speaker 3 1:00:42

You're welcome.

Speaker 2 1:00:43

I'm Jordan.

Speaker 3 1:00:44

I'm

Speaker 2 1:00:44

Wex. This has Ben Orland Park Core. See you in two weeks.

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