Hate Watching The Tomorrow War: Time Travel Faux Pas

A time portal opens on a soccer field, a future soldier somehow addresses the whole stadium without a mic, and the world immediately agrees to a draft that sends regular people into an alien war with barely any training. That’s the kind of logic we can’t let go, so we put The Tomorrow War (2021) on the table and ask what happened to the “streaming blockbuster” era where huge movies drop on Prime Video and vanish from everyone’s brain by Monday.

We walk through what works and what collapses: the video game structure, the unclear mission goals, the action geography that keeps getting fuzzier, and the time travel movie rules that change whenever the script needs a shortcut. We also get specific about casting and emotion, including why Chris Pratt’s approach doesn’t sell the family story, why Betty Gilpin deserved more to do, and how J.K. Simmons shows up and immediately makes the movie feel more alive. And yes, we give Sam Richardson his flowers because he threads the needle of being funny without breaking the tone.

From alien design to the toxin plotline to the government decisions that make no sense, we keep pitching the cleaner, meaner sci fi version hiding inside the premise, including the ending we thought they were building toward. We wrap with what we’re watching next and our next pick, Mercy, because apparently we’re doing a Chris Pratt double feature whether anyone asked for it or not.

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Morning Banter And Joyless Strangers

SPEAKER_02 0:00

In New York.

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And there's a there's a vibe with the other guy, you know what I'm saying?

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She has getting mad because we're singing.

SPEAKER_06 0:10

Because we're singing? We can't sing this early in the morning. It's against the rules.

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She doesn't believe in joy.

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Well, unfortunately for her, I do.

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Welcome to AWatching with Dan and Tony. I am Dan.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

I am Tony. This is the movie that dares to look back, I think five years. I think this movie was 2021.

SPEAKER_06 0:43

Yeah, it's in the 2020s.

SPEAKER_04 0:45

2020s, even though we're still in the 2020s.

SPEAKER_06 0:48

2021.

SPEAKER_04 0:49

You were absolutely right. We like to look back at the movies that came out on streaming and didn't go out in the theaters, but were made as if they could come out in theaters because they had movie stars in them and special effects, and then they just were forgotten. Just forgotten. Yeah. So wait, here's my question. Yeah, keep going. I've complained about John Carter before and how it came out, no one cared, and now there's guys that are like, this movie's great. Um this kind of a movie, this like the Ry Ryan Gosling's The Gray Man, you know, these kind of exactly. People would see it and it would disappear from their brains instantaneously. Well, do you think this type of movie will ever get a re people care about it?

SPEAKER_06 1:39

Well, here's what I will say. When was Edge of Oh wow, that was so much longer ago than I thought. 2014. Edge of Tomorrow was 2014. But that was a brilliant movie. Well, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

So you're saying, Oh, no, no, no, wait. Not Edge of Tomorrow. Edge of Tomorrow was the Tom Cruise one. What's Edge of Tomorrow?

SPEAKER_06 1:59

Yes. Yeah. Tom Cruise, Emily Blunt.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

Uh, he's in a Brown Host Day situation.

SPEAKER_06 2:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

That's an incredible. That's the movie's a 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_06 2:09

Agreed. So I'm just saying it can be done, right? It can be done, but that wasn't that mediocre.

SPEAKER_04 2:16

That was a failed movie in theaters. Okay, it should not have failed.

SPEAKER_06 2:20

Should not have failed. It was great.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

I don't know if the critics there's something, something happened with that movie because the title was wrong or the critics.

SPEAKER_06 2:30

They changed the title a couple times. Yeah. Uh, I think they changed it. It was like it was live, die, repeat at one point, and then yeah. So you know, marketing's not great. We can say that. But the movie's great. Yeah. This so you're saying, like, will the mediocre sci-fi movie ever make a resurgence? Um, no. You gotta make a good movie these days because there's so much content out there. We're just throwing shit at the wall, the spaghetti style scene with sticks. Um, you gotta be you gotta make a good movie. So fully mediocre film.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

Fully mediocre film. Not that we've told you what it is. So we will have a point where they will make something like this and it'll actually be a good movie, and then it might sort of miss on on streaming, but then it might be reevaluated later. I think so.

SPEAKER_06 3:27

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Uh and perhaps it will be the Tomorrow War II, which is reportedly in development.

SPEAKER_04 3:37

You are kidding me.

SPEAKER_06 3:38

I don't know. That's what Google said.

unknown 3:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:41

Is there a tomorrow? Oh, tomorrow war two, deep freeze 2026. Uh, it could be fake. It could be fake. It's hard to be sure.

Forgotten Streaming Blockbusters

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Someone just made like a fake trailer for it. Now everybody thinks it might happen.

SPEAKER_06 3:53

That's probably what happened.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

The movie we're doing is the Tomorrow War from 2021, two hours and 17 minutes. Didn't feel like two hours and seventeen minutes, gotta say. Um no, it didn't. Um, Chris Pratt, uh, a little bit of Betty Gilpin, a little bit of uh what's his name? Uh throw the piano at you. Uh what's his name? Uh J.K. Simmons. J.K. Simmons, who you're just like, wow, in a mediocre science fiction movie, he can make the best of the second half.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

His first introduction was dopey, but the second part was it's it's dopey. And listen, I'm I don't hate Chris Pratt. I want to emphasize that because there will be a lot of anti-Chris Pratt talk today. But it's not that I strongly dislike him. I think he's just really mediocre in this movie. I don't think he carries the film. I think with a better lead, it's a it's at least a little bit more enjoyable. A little charisma would go a long fucking way. Um, but the scenes between him and JK, you're like, woof, dude. It's you hope that working with someone better than you elevates your game, and it didn't. He was like, I'm gonna be me, I'm gonna do exactly what I do, and JK can try to act circles around me and I'll drag the thing down. That's how it felt to me. Um so yeah, I think it take it takes a while for JK to like really shine because he's working with a bunch of dullerts, you know.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

Well, yeah, because yeah, I mean, he's he has a he has a dick measuring contest with someone who's like, yeah, I don't, my dick's not great.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

Right. That's like having one with me, right? Like I'll just I'll concede. I'll just be like, you know what, you're probably right, but I'm gonna be here because um I got pride. I got pride, I'll fight with you. Yeah, is it small? Sure. Sure it's small, but you're dumb. How about that? You know, that's not a good argument. That that's not what happened in the movie, Tony. It's almost exactly what happened in the movie. Wait, Daddy, daddy, you left me. What? Idiots.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

Now, he went to Vietnam? Like it was apparently. Yeah, he was a NAM. Those numbers seem confusing to me.

SPEAKER_06 6:07

Well, see, what's good about this, any war can happen at any time in this movie. I guess so. We're not quite sure what Vietnam.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

It might have been a different Vietnam for all we know.

SPEAKER_06 6:17

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 6:19

We have come from the future onto your football field. Like, what's happening?

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Oh boy, we gotta talk about that. Ooh. Ooh.

SPEAKER_06 6:27

Soccer pitch, really, guys. That's the plan.

SPEAKER_04 6:29

Oh, it was soccer. Okay, we'll talk about that. Um, so yeah, the Tomorrow War up now. Have you watched uh War Machine, the one with the Return?

SPEAKER_06 6:40

Oh, no, but I really, really want to. Because I because I feel like that's the kind of movie that you want, which is like it's good, but no one still no one's really gonna care, but at least it's good, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:53

It's it's it's it's similar to this one in that it's it's a video game movie, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:00

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

It's it's and this movie is a video game movie. We move from from you know, we have cutscenes where people talk and and act like they have some sort of emotional stakes in what's happening, and then we immediately go into another, you know, a video game scene where we there are very mushy um necessities that have to occur. We don't know when anything's going to happen, we don't have anybody, we don't know where people need to go to to solve something.

SPEAKER_06 7:29

Yeah. There's a couple times where Chris Pratt just like points off into the distance, like, we gotta go there. It's like okay. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

The the point where they go into the future and have to escape from the city with the with the serum. Yeah, you're just like, I don't, I don't know where they're going. I don't know how much time it's like they set up, they're like on the seventh floor of a of a building, yeah, and they have to get out of the city in I believe it was eight minutes.

SPEAKER_06 7:58

It's really quick because there's fighter jets coming to bomb the whole place. So yeah, they don't have a lot of time. Yeah, because those things move fast. I don't know if you know anything about planes.

SPEAKER_04 8:06

Those well and they move on a schedule. So if they say you have eight minutes, you literally have eight minutes. There's no fudging it. There's no like they got a flat tire and had to fix it, so next five minutes.

SPEAKER_06 8:18

No, it's like you're gonna pull over at the drive-thru for coffee. You got an extra four, guys, extra four. It did not happen. Yeah, so you weren't pleased with Chris Pratt. I wasn't I wasn't over the moon, as you would say in a sci-fi film.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

Yeah, he he yeah. Um, how old do you think Chris Pratt is? In this movie? Uh no, no, no, no, no. No, in real life.

SPEAKER_06 8:43

In real life, I don't know. He's gotta be 30, 40, 40s, probably 40s. Because he was in Everwood as a kid, and I was a little bit younger, so he's 43. He is 46. 46?

SPEAKER_04 8:56

I was in the ballpark. And Betty Gilpin, who plays his wife 39. I didn't see that coming. She seems older. I think she seems older than him just because she is emotionally real. He just he he's just not emotionally uh mature enough.

SPEAKER_06 9:16

He's got that, what is that, that Peter Pan syndrome? Is that what we call that? Just you know, a boy forever.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

How old are you, Tony? You're pretty old. 40 or something.

SPEAKER_06 9:25

I am I am 4'0. Can you believe that?

SPEAKER_04 9:28

He's six years older than you. Well, you're I will be full.

SPEAKER_06 9:31

I will be 41 in two months, by the way. You do still seem like a child, too, though.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

You're very similar to him to him that way.

SPEAKER_06 9:37

That's very nice of you to say I should be famous just like him, I guess, huh? Because that's the only qualification.

SPEAKER_04 9:45

I mean, he he's gotten, you know, he when he was doing Star Lord, he, you know, kind of kind of got buffer.

SPEAKER_06 9:52

He got pretty, yeah. When they do the the the one C I think he looked pretty jacked. He had abs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

But he's that's good. He's back to being sort of punchy man. Well, I think he's normal.

SPEAKER_06 10:05

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? The Clerks and Rec. Yeah. He was pudgy. You know, he was pudgy then. And now, and then he got jacked, and now he's just, you know, regular guy. Doing great.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

Do a little workout, but he won't, you know, he's not gonna do the Yeah.

Chris Pratt And Miscast Energy

SPEAKER_06 10:24

I mean, I'll I'll do it to stay alive, but I'm not gonna work too hard. He's not going full Captain America, you know.

SPEAKER_05 10:32

Chris Evans, hello.

unknown 10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:35

Well, but either is Chris Evans these days. Remember that Polar Express movie, Red, what is it, Red Claws?

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Red one, red, red one.

SPEAKER_06 10:43

Red One JK anymore. Yeah. Now that's JK was jacked in that movie. Holy cow.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

Now there's your question. Will will Red One could people like go? Oh yeah. I I've read actually I've read people say it's good. I've read people say it's good.

SPEAKER_06 10:58

I will re-watch Red One next Christmas. I I will tell you that right now. Not because I think it's a great movie, but it's a fun, stupid Christmas action film. You don't have a ton of those, you know?

SPEAKER_04 11:09

Don't got a lot of choices for those. Okay, the movie. The Tomorrow War. Boom!

SPEAKER_05 11:15

The Tomorrow War.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

Um, we start off with an exciting scene, which they waste one of the most interesting things of the whole movie. He's here he is, our main character falling through the sky, he's teleported to someplace else, and he's teleported to Earth, which is under war. He falls from the sky and lands in a pool and then crawls out of the pool. So basically, in the future point, he's gonna be sent through a gate and and we're gonna have this fall. And if that were surprising to us, we would go, holy sound what's happening, but instead we completely resolve it before we've even met him or care about him.

SPEAKER_06 11:57

Correct. If or if they would have stopped before he hit the water. If everyone, if you see everyone just falling from the sky, and you're like, what the hell's gonna happen? And then we cut away and you're like, remember when they're all falling from the sky? I wonder what's gonna happen. And then we cut to that later, and half of them just keep falling and die? That's pretty shocking. That would be interesting.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

Um the other thing is, yeah, so that that was dumb. So we start that, so then we sure we immediately go to the Chiron 28 years earlier. It's Christmas. We play the waitresses, it's 2022.

SPEAKER_06 12:34

Uh why is it Christmas? What is it? What is it with people using Christmas for no reason? I mean, black obviously is the most egregious of that, but well, you know why?

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Just think about why. Why do they do it?

SPEAKER_06 12:47

Because it puts you in a mood? Nope. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

Because they because they wish that people would associate your movie with Christmas and make your movie a Christmas movie like they did for Die Hard. Die Hard. But Die Hard is a Christmas movie, but it's a difference. That's the whole idea. The whole idea is they think, well, we'll just shoehorn some Christmas in here, and it's not a Christmas movie.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

And this is so this is my problem, right? Because Die Hard is a Christmas movie. You can fight me. We'll we'll figure it out, everybody. But it's it's about Christmas. You know what I mean? Like everything. I think it's about everything. I would be okay with that. I think that's a fair argument. And I also think that a lot of movies are, you know, are both. Those are interchangeable to me. Sure. However, you look at like a lethal weapon, Shane Black, once again, also takes place at Christmas. There's a couple of Christmas nods, but no one is ever like, I'm gonna watch Lethal Weapon for Christmas, except for me. I do do it. But the difference is one of them is centralized about holidays and uses the holidays to further the plot characters and everything. And there's other things that just uh Christmas is there because, hey, it's Christmas. That doesn't work. It doesn't work. If you're gonna do that, pick up different holiday, you know? Christmas is already booked, everybody. Let's start bringing up other holidays. I'm gonna write a bunch of like St. Paddy's Day movies. A bunch of them. I'm gonna write a whole bunch of them. Well, just some a whole mess of them. One of them will make it made, you know.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

So he's uh he's coming home for being a biology teacher. Here's his beautiful wife, Betty Kilpin. She's great. They don't give her anything to do. Of course, they don't give her anything to do, but she can act.

SPEAKER_06 14:27

So, you know, that's good.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

She's incredible. I love her. I love her. He's waiting for a dream call for a dream job doing research.

SPEAKER_06 14:40

Yeah, you know, research grant type of thing, I guess. I don't know. Is that what people I'm not a scientist? Is that how it works?

SPEAKER_04 14:47

No. Yeah, I don't know. No, I mean, no, no, it's not they don't you don't transition from biology teacher to working in a lab. I mean, if you would go work in a lab, you'd go work as a grunt in a lab, and then maybe you could work the way up somewhere.

SPEAKER_06 15:01

Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

Yeah. I mean, all all that research money goes through colleges and and and labs that exist, and you know, it's that's not it's I don't know. It's it's it's video game logic. Okay. Uh he okay, let's see. Oh, so we go in there and they're having the Christmas, the the Christmas party. All his friends are there, he's waiting on this call. We get we get one good thing where we s there was a tuna santa. She says, uh, no one's eating my tuna santa, which I thought was yeah, I thought that was gonna go sexual, but it didn't.

SPEAKER_06 15:41

Oh, interesting. I thought it was really disgusting. It was horrible. Just was whoever did the prop work for that, 10 out of 10. That looked horrible. I would not eat it either.

SPEAKER_04 15:52

So he has his dad sends a a Christmas card to the daughter, he throws it in the trash. Oh, why does he keep saying, oh, grandpa abandoned us? Oh, I have daddy issues. Okay, daddy issues, that's fine.

SPEAKER_06 16:05

Everybody's got daddy issues in this movie. That's the name of the game. Oh, a little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

He goes outside, gets the call for the job, he doesn't get the job, goes inside, he's losing his mind, but he's surrounded by his family. His daughter is an avid soccer fan, as is everyone at the party. Right.

SPEAKER_06 16:25

So this takes place in America, right? Like, not to be rude, but soccer, not the biggest sport here. I understand that the whole point is that it's global, and yes, soccer is huge everywhere else, probably, more than this is one of those, this is one of those fake outs where they hire like a beautiful Chinese actress so that it'll play in China.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

So they're like, well, why don't we instead of football, let's make that soccer and then maybe we'll this movie will sell a little better in Europe. You're right.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

I well, I hope it worked, you know.

SPEAKER_04 16:59

Hope they made some money off of it. Hope it was worth it, you idiots. So the dot so there, there, he's having the like the weird music moment where he's all like I'm all I'm all saying. Yeah. Um, but he was completely being a good dad right then.

SPEAKER_06 17:19

Right. So here's my problem. Big problem with this. He doesn't ever give you the I'm gonna leave my family vibe. No, never, not second. Which he certainly could and should because his dad abandoned him, right? So he he has been through it, he knows what it's like, he could do it. Um, he says the line like, Oh, I'm so sad that I'm a failure, I'm gonna do something great with my life. So he's somewhat unhappy with his life, but not unhappy enough to abandon the two things that make him happy in life. His wife and his daughter grounded him in that scene, so he wouldn't leave him. That don't make any sense. You gotta think of something different. He has to have that the slight thing where he thinks to himself, I'd be better if I wasn't here, or they'd be better if I wasn't here because I'm a failure. They'll they'll do better without me. He has to have something because then when you find out later, they're saying, Oh, you abandon us. We're all like, no, he didn't. He definitely did not. We did not meet the guy that would abandon this family. No, but well, we met JK and I I believe it. Yes, I believe it.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

He tells us why he left, how he left, I was in a dark place. I most likely would have killed my family. That's what he kind of says. He basically does.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

He didn't say that, but he definitely alludes, and it's like, yeah, cool. Good for you. You should get out of there, dude. Yes. Someone says something bad to me, I pull a knife and I stab them.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

You're like I will snap right now. You can be backtalk, you're dead. Uh you know, he needed to be he needed to go and cry in a room. He needed to do something that meant that this was he felt like this was his last chance and he screwed up and he his life sucks. Even though he has a big family, you know, you have to you have to throw us that bone.

Video Game Logic Plot Problems

SPEAKER_05 19:09

They didn't. They didn't.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

Okay. So they're sitting down, and lo and behold, what happens? There's a big sparkly purple flash, and then these people with guns come out, guns ready to gun people onto the soccer field, but they kind of move through the players, and then they're like, announcement time, we're from 30 years in the future. We're fighting a war against spiky aliens. We need your help. We need you to fight. Cut the titles.

SPEAKER_06 19:44

Okay. First problem. Where did she get a microphone? How does everybody hear her? In the stadium one and two on television. She's not mic'd up. Okay, that's not how any of that works. You can't just our audio just doesn't come from nowhere, guys. She probably is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

She probably hacked in. She probably hacked into their system, don't he?

SPEAKER_06 20:07

It's a 2022 sound system. There's no hacking into it, all right? It's done through XLRs. They looked into the they looked in, they have that now. In 30 years, they come up with that. They're going page to page. Okay, if we get through here, we can just amplify your speech without a microphone whatsoever. That made me so mad. That was like the point. I almost turned off the movie. If we weren't watching it for this, I would have turned it off. At least, at least ever like go to one of the referees and take his day mic and be like, I need to use hell. Everybody, hello? So stupid. I was so mad. Um, so let's let's put ourselves in their shoes, Dan. If these if these humans come out of a big plasma ball and they're like, hey, let's go to war. Are we going to war? I feel like we're not.

SPEAKER_04 20:58

Well, we that are we believing them? Well, we we skip forward a year. Hold on, let's let's talk about that. We skip forward a year, and there's a there's a worldwide draft, and when you get drafted, you have to go for seven days and then you come back, but there's only a 20% survival rate. Um which actually, after seeing it, seems really high.

SPEAKER_06 21:19

Incredibly high really high.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

And you're you're just like, it's just a bunch of arbitrary things that don't make any sense. Like you go for a week and then you come back, like what? And then you're done? Then you're done? And that uh so wait, you've invested in these people to send them for one week? And to do what exactly?

SPEAKER_06 21:44

Shocking. They don't really tell uh right. Like they don't really say the reason why we're taking so they don't have enough people in the future. That's what they said. They're like, Oh, we're down to eight people, whatever, five hundred thousand or something. There was a number that they said five hundred thousand is the number. Correct. Now okay. But we're only going for a week. Just take people. Like I don't understand this shift. Why are we putting people in shifts? It doesn't make it just take the people you need and then go to war. Right.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

You would think you would send people that could do something in a week. Like if they send you and me, if they send you and me for a week, we're worthless. We're we're we're we're just like we're just like, well, just have the aliens stand behind me and I'll be a human shield for three seconds. Right? I'm not gonna be effective at all.

SPEAKER_06 22:36

I mean, I mean I'm willing to bet if I was put in this position, my own platoon would kill me. I really do think they would be like, this guy can't come with us. He's gonna get us all killed. Let's put him down now. And they'd be right. That's you know, they'd be right. I couldn't be mad at it.

SPEAKER_04 22:55

And I mean the whole the whole conceit is just so that the the group that he ends up going with are a bunch of just normal people. Sure, sure. Which of course doesn't make any sense because they're on the most highly critical mission that's ever existed.

SPEAKER_06 23:11

Right. So that's why I get confused because so we're sending people for seven days just to basically get murdered. Yeah. Like we're just kind of throwing them at the aliens to do nothing. Yeah. I I just don't get it. I I honestly I don't get it. And the movie didn't explain it to me enough for me to buy into the premise of the movie itself.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

I don't think the filmmakers, I think the filmmakers were like, here's a here's it's your classic. Here's a cool idea, let's just do that. It's called the Tomorrow War. We we can script people from now and we send them to the war, and then they're like, well, but what do they do? Seven days. You're like, what seven days? No, they're conscripted for three years, whatever. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_06 23:54

Or just forever. You just take them. It's the future. We're just gonna take you to the future and then we're done. We're done with it. We need numbers. Then I like then I understand. But when you're like, we're gonna take people for seven days and then take different people seven days after that. Well, what are you talking about? Why are you doing this?

SPEAKER_04 24:13

And it's so much process. Yeah, you're just like, and they're like their basic training is seven. I think the basic training is seven days, but it can be cut short. And they didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_06 24:25

Yeah. Shoot it in the stomach or the neck. All right, bye. Goodbye, everybody.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

And every one of these normal people you see holding a gun, you're like, they're gonna kill as many people as the aliens do, right?

SPEAKER_06 24:36

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

You know, Tony in the back is gonna unload on his whole platoon, and he's just left standing there by himself.

SPEAKER_06 24:43

He's like, Have I told you a story how I almost killed my dad?

SPEAKER_04 24:48

So we were hunting. You I don't think you've ever told us a story about how you almost killed your dad. I don't even think he realizes how close it was. You told the story about how you tried to like bring some scary books or some stupid books with you.

SPEAKER_06 25:03

First of all, it was Matilda. It's not a scary book, it's a delightful novel that everyone should read. That's what it was. A girly book. Sorry. It was a girly book, yes. That was the disappointment. Yeah. I was in a duck blind. What am I supposed to do in a duck blind? Just sit there? You guys are idiots waiting for birds to fly over. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bring a book. Okay, let's hear about you trying to kill your dad. So we're pheasant hunting. Have you ever been pheasant hunting? Tony, do you think I've ever been hunting? I went-I hope not. I wish I had never been hunting.

SPEAKER_04 25:37

I went fishing once or twice with my grandpa, and that was just a disaster.

SPEAKER_06 25:41

Well, that's but that's a lovely moment to have with your grandpa, you know?

SPEAKER_04 25:44

No, no, no, no. Not for not for him. Just this, I'm sure, such a level of disappointment. Just like what? This kid.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:53

These are nerds. Oh, nerds. These are not real men. Um, okay, so you're pheasant hunting. And what are you pheasant hunting?

SPEAKER_04 26:00

I mean, my there's my my grandpa was a commercial fisherman. He was a man.

SPEAKER_06 26:09

Yeah, I can understand how not being able to do it then would maybe cause a wedge. Last time you ever saw him, probably. Okay, yeah, here we go. It's pheasant hunting. So we're pheasant hunting, and how you do it is there's pheasants in a field, basically, and you the hunters walk down a line until you stir up the pheasant, and then they fly, and then you shoot them.

SPEAKER_04 26:29

I've seen that, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:30

So I'm on the right, my dad's on the left, right? And we're walking, and the pheasant flies up right behind him, and without thinking, I pull out my fucking shoddy and I shoot, and my my dad was like, holy fuck, oh god, and I was like, Oh my god, I shot him in the head. I all that happened is he felt like the air of the gut, like the bullet flying past his head. But I splattered the bird, like I got the bird. So he was thrilled that I got the bird and didn't put too much thought into the fact that I almost took his head off. But it was close, and I have never forgotten that because I was like, that I didn't even think. There wasn't even a moment where I was like, oh, there's a human in my way. So if an alien pops up anywhere in my vicinity and there are people in the way, I'm shooting them down. I'm not even gonna think twice. You got your prayer. Very dangerous. Now was it I'm going for the alien. That wasn't the L Linda. Was it buckshot or was it a pellet? Yeah, yeah, it's a buckshot. So it like it spread. So I was we're lucky. We're lucky he didn't get any strays. Oh, God, he would have been so mad, dude.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Lucky your dad still has both eyes.

SPEAKER_06 27:39

Oh, geez. He would have been livid.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

You shot me?

SPEAKER_06 27:45

Yeah, I guess I did, Dad. Don't bring me to a place where I have to use guns. I don't know how to use guns.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

Okay, so the the whole premise just doesn't make a lot of sense. It's just it's a setup for what it is they want to have happen in the other scenes of the movie.

SPEAKER_06 27:59

I think there's like a cool idea here if you flesh it out and figure out like a way to make this make sense. I do think there's a cool idea.

The Draft And Dad Issues

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Sure, you could write this movie, and I bet you if you spent a little time, you could find 10 science fiction books that all have written this movie, and you could find the best one and make that into a movie. I was reading there was a guy called uh Joe Haldeman, which was a big science fiction author. He wrote a story called The Forever War. Yes. Did you read this? I have it on my bookshelf downstairs. I have not read it yet. Basically, it posits uh an idea where in the future the soldiers have to keep traveling further out, and so the the world is evolving, and the way humans are is evolving constantly. But this guy is kind of frozen as he keeps on following the war, and it becomes less and less. You know, initially he guess he cares about it, but at a certain point you're like, why am I fighting for all these dumb fucks back on earth that are you know talking about whatever the fuck they're talking about?

SPEAKER_05 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

So I get that. This movie doesn't deal with any things like that.

SPEAKER_06 29:08

No, no, no, it doesn't. It could, I thought they were setting up for like a really cool, disappo like sad ending, and they didn't, and I'm I'm disappointed. I'll tell you when we get there.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

Sure. The daughter's freaking out, uh, he's teaching class, there's one kid that only wants to talk about volcanoes.

SPEAKER_06 29:26

I hate this kid. I'm sorry. This kid drove me crazy. Why? I feel bad. Not in this scene. He's and it's not the actor, like he's fine, but the conceit that they're gonna go to him as a volcano expert later. Come on, guys. Spoilers. You're telling me there's not a single person on earth that knows volcanoes except for this kid? Well, this is the kid we're gonna trust with volcanoes? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

He's autistic, so he like knows things. That's the they're setting him up as an autistic.

SPEAKER_06 29:56

No, I mean I get it. I just there's a better way to get a volcano expert. And then they make him do a bunch of computer things that I've never even heard of. You know, they're like, oh, can you fast forward to the ice caps melt things? Like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 30:10

I mean, there's a lot of things you can do with modeling. Can you do them, you know, on your laptop instantaneously?

SPEAKER_06 30:19

No, no, no, you cannot.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

It's just like the weather, you know, weather modeling. But the but the the kids, the guys Shannon watches on the internet, man, or on the YouTube. They do a lot of weather modeling, they do a lot of things.

SPEAKER_06 30:31

She watches a lot of weather modeling, huh? Good for her.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

She watched a lot of weather on the YouTube. All right. A lot of weather. Okay, so he gets he gets the call while he's in class. They pick him up, they drag him, they have him remove his shirt, they put him in a seatbelt. He's been conscripted, they put him in the arm thing, and and they they clamp a big arm thing on him so that he has to come back. So you can't you you have one week to go see your family. Everything's in weeks, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 31:02

Yes, that that's the only measurement they know is week.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Yeah, so and they conscript him like in a like really mean for no reason.

SPEAKER_06 31:14

Yeah, right? Yeah, they're bullies, yeah. Super bad. And they won't tell them what's going on. And he knows. What are we what are we doing? Like what's happening? Just talk to me. What's going on here? I mean, everyone on the planet would know that they put a thing on your arm. Everyone would know 100%. Not only that, but when you get that call, that you have to know that that's the call. Everyone dreads the call, right? Like, I I don't know. It's very weird.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

And that's the thing, is if he was gonna run, he should have run before he had the thing on his arm.

SPEAKER_06 31:42

That is correct. You you get the buzz, and you're like, well, time to go on the lamb because I'm not going in there.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

Yeah. But instead, they put the thing on his arm, and we find out that the people that they are taking are people that are gonna die before 30 years. So he's gonna die in seven years.

SPEAKER_06 32:01

Yeah, to try to try to beat that paradox of you can't be in the same place as yourself.

SPEAKER_04 32:06

Oh, I'm sorry. He has 24 hours still basic training, not a week.

SPEAKER_06 32:10

24 hours. Oops. All right, all right. At least it's also around one day, one week. That's all you get.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Um, he goes to see the wife. She's a counselor for people that went to the war and then got their limbs blown off. You're like seems pretty weird that I mean she would know all about the process. 100%. As would he, but he doesn't know anything about the process. Okay. Uh she he shows the wife the arm. I thought that was that was a way of con and so so she must know exactly what it means. So he would have known exactly what it's like.

SPEAKER_06 32:43

Yeah.

unknown 32:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:44

I think it would have been more interesting to me if they would have like kidnapped him. Not in like, but like they showed up at school, two officers walk in the room, don't say anything, and he knows and immediately he's like, fuck, this is happening.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Now, did they grab him or or conscript him because his daughter in the future told them to?

SPEAKER_06 33:07

She says that that is what happened.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Okay. So they they needed to to to clue us into that for some reason, and there's there needed to be a reason. You know, they should have said there's a special research squad and you're gonna be on it.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

Or even if they just all know who he is, is there's they're all from the future, all the people that are there. Exactly. All of the people that are doing this stuff, they know that he's been asked for by name. They have to know that the colonel's the girl's name in the future is the same name. Like, they have to know all these things. So they would treat him differently than they treat a normal person that they're just doing this to. Like, it's the he was acting like, hey, it's weird that we're all in this room and we're doing this stuff. What's going on? What should be weird to him is that they all know him and they are all like, they they all know something that he doesn't know. Yeah, that's what needs to happen, and that's not what happens.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Yeah. And the whole movie needs for there to actually be a good reason why he has to go to the future.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

Other than to just uh take back the vial that I'm gonna anyone could take back this vial. I don't know she's I mean, she says the line, uh you're the only person I can I want to trust. I think she says want to trust, because you know, he abandoned her as a child, so she doesn't actually trust him anyhow. I I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

But that's not what you need in the you need the most fit and effect, you don't want a 46-year-old man.

SPEAKER_06 34:35

We need Alan Richardson to come into this movie, grab that vial, and come home.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

In War Machine, when Alan Richardson's doing your thing, you're like, Yeah, he he I'm not surprised he can get this done.

SPEAKER_06 34:46

I gotta I gotta see this movie. Be careful what you wish for.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

Um so the wife is like, you you need to run. Need to run. Right.

SPEAKER_06 34:59

Terrible idea. That's uh that's the worst idea you could do, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

And and I mean it's you know, they're gonna conscript his wife then. You know, they that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_06 35:10

They said your next uh wife and then next of kin is so why would he wouldn't he wouldn't do that?

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Yeah. And they're gonna all three of them be on the run for the rest of their lives until 30 years from now when the war gets destroyed?

SPEAKER_06 35:22

Like yeah, I don't know. That's not a good plan. That's a terrible plan.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

Yeah. So to run, he goes to see his dad because his dad is J.K.

SPEAKER_06 35:34

Simmons. J.K.

SPEAKER_04 35:35

Simmons, who is the one guy in the country that frees people from these armbands, and then he's also just seems to be a dude that lives at an airport hangar, so it shouldn't be that hard to find him.

SPEAKER_06 35:47

I I'm a little confused. He's not underground or anything, he's just at a hangar with a plane, and he works for a guy that and he takes care of his plane or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

But you can't make money taking care of a plane. What you're really doing is getting paid by people to take the armbands off. And once again, they're tracking you with that armband. So if all those armbands go to this one airport. You know, we lost them all right here at this airport. Everyone, everyone kept going to the airport.

SPEAKER_06 36:17

Like, well, unless he starts putting them on like deer, and then you see a bunch of deer in the woods running around with the these armbands on. It's like, oh, okay, he's missing these they're still moving, they're still around. Okay, Tony.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

That's a what that's a dance good self solution. Don't be doing dan't good self solutions to problems. That's not your role on this show. Your role is to be critical of Chris Cracking.

SPEAKER_06 36:40

That's your role. Done. Done and done. This guy can't show emotion, okay? We want to talk about it. He's there so he goes to see his dad, and his dad says, I wish I would have written the written this down, but his dad says something like, Oh, now you're now you're coming to me for help. Didn't want my help for 20 years. And Chris Pratt trying to emote, I'm gonna do it my best, the best cadence that I can. He goes like this, What did you say to me? I don't know why there's such a pause after what he also does the what in there, which is ridiculous, but it's almost like he forgot the second half of the line. He's like, What did you say to me? It's so it's the worst acting you're gonna see in a in this movie. It's really bad. And he does he slams the table because he's so angry with his daddy. But the the table slamming is like it's at the wrong time, isn't it? Yes, yes, it's all weird, it's all not human emotions, it's just a guy like I saw someone uh have emotions once, I'll try to do that, and he can't, he can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

It's like Shannon always knows when I get scared because I go, I go, ah, and I've been starting to get scared by shadows. I like oh no, I I reflections. I was opening the oven door and the light came in and reflected off it, and that moved, and so I thought there was like some creature attacking us.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

Of course, yeah. That's the that's a natural first thought.

SPEAKER_04 38:15

So that's what's happening with me.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

So that's that's what's going on with me.

SPEAKER_05 38:20

I don't know if that has to do with the scene, but I love it.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

But you see, I do it, I do it, I don't do it comedically, I do it because I'm scared.

SPEAKER_06 38:27

Sure. Earnestly, yeah, because you're having human emotions. Something Chris Pratt has never happened to me.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

He slams on the table, he's like, What?

SPEAKER_06 38:35

It's so weird. Slam!

SPEAKER_04 38:36

You're like, wait, slam. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, go.

SPEAKER_06 38:41

The director told him to do it during this line. He's like, but I can't do it while I'm talking, right? So I'll have to break up the line. What? Smash. Come on, just do it all together. Just act like a human.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

And uh J.K. Simmons does a whole thing about wanting Stevie Nicks to show up with booze or something. I don't know. Yeah, and in her birthday suit, I think. Yeah, I think she was naked with with a bottle of rum or something.

SPEAKER_06 39:07

I don't know. I mean, no, I'm not no shame, you know. Do what you want, JK. But what a weird line.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

So then he explains that he was in Nam. He left the family because he was so traumatized, and it was better if he was not there.

SPEAKER_06 39:23

Yeah, I mean, he's got PTSD. So let's let's maybe cut him some slack. He actually did the responsible thing and is like, I probably shouldn't be around small, annoying children that I'll strangle, and I'm gonna go, you know, do my own thing and try to take care of myself.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

Yeah. So I mean, you know, like Nam was like 1970 or so, and it's 2026 now, so that's 50.

SPEAKER_06 39:45

I don't know anything about the hat.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

It's like the past 56 years ago. So he he has to be in his 70s, it is mid to late 70s.

SPEAKER_06 39:57

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I think he is, isn't he? How old is Jacob? He looks good, he looks too good. He, I mean, he takes care of himself, you know what I'm saying? He is 71. Yeah, so he was mid-60s when they made this, you know.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

Maybe it could be. Okay, so he goes, so they're basically, you know, and then he's like, You quit, you were a coward.

SPEAKER_03 40:21

And you're like, okay, he's oh my I feel bad.

SPEAKER_06 40:25

It's uh listen, not to harp on it, but he also went to war. So like he should understand a little bit, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Well, I mean, that would have been a thing, is if you know, at a certain point he he actually sm takes it down and is like, yeah, okay, I'm I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

You know, you're gonna be going, you know, he he could he could have given him some sage advice right at the end that he's isn't really willing to take.

SPEAKER_05 40:55

Sure. Yeah. That would have been it.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

That would have been interesting.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

It would have given another level to the scene because the scene's just like get out, blah blah blah, over.

SPEAKER_06 41:07

That is correct. Yeah. Men.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

Uh he goes home to the to the daughter. The daughter's digging in the yard because vaccines were created with worms or something.

SPEAKER_06 41:20

Worms and dirt? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know anything about science.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

So it's I mean, I'm sure there's some kernel of truth in that, but it's it's weird. We're we don't think of it that way. You know, if she was like inside, like, you know, dissecting a worm, I'd be like, oh, okay, I'm getting into a worm. I'd be like, lock this kid up, she's a psychopath. He talks to the daughter, he accidentally sh accidentally teaches her how to use a shovel, but accidentally cuts the the the cable for the TV, which is under the ground, and then he gives her$20 not to not to teach.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

To pretend it was her.

SPEAKER_04 41:59

I don't think mom is gonna be like, well, that's the end of the world right now when you're leaving to go die in the future. And now I can't watch my TV, you son of a bitch. Um boom, we get the basic training. They have seven days. Sergeant Diaz, who doesn't really do anything, and boom, here comes Sam Richardson, the Detroiters guy. Yeah. He's so good. He's so good. He's he's so good.

SPEAKER_06 42:27

He is good. I enjoy him a ton. That's that's all like there's a couple of lines that I wrote down from him that made me laugh extremely hard.

SPEAKER_04 42:36

He wrote all those jokes. There is no way these jokes were in the script. In the script. He because it's all normal people, and there's a whole thing where you can kind of wear your own clothes, but not the pants or something. I did not understand it.

SPEAKER_06 42:53

He looks over as well. That's what it is. They took away his car, his shorts, or something and gave him pants, but they kept his$20 jacket from Ross dressed for like I don't remember what we're saying, but it's very funny. It's a wonderful scene.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

He looks over, there's a guy wearing a chef's hat, and he's like, look at that guy, he's wearing a chef's hat. It was, I mean, this was a perfect, the perfect line.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Yeah, yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

Yeah, he did a great job. Yeah, his name is Charlie. He's a geothermal energy scientist. Why he's there, we don't know. Um, so what we sort of learn is that half of these people are just people they're throwing at the aliens, and the other half are R force, which is the research force who are going there for a reason.

SPEAKER_06 43:38

Oh, do you think that's what really R stands for? Not research, but reason.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

We do this every six days, they all leave, and then they go to a nest, and then that never comes into play.

SPEAKER_06 43:52

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

Um we set up the Charlie Samuel Sam's character uh hates the beach. And then boom, we're we're we got the oh uh what's her name? Nora uh Ray Raidsborough?

SPEAKER_06 44:07

Uh is that the lady from 24? Yeah. Yeah it's always sunny.

SPEAKER_04 44:12

She's great. You're like, oh, I'd like to see her through the whole movie and have her die near the end of the movie. Nope, that's not gonna happen. First third of the movie, she will be dead. You're wrong. That's the other thing we want from this movie. We want this ragtag band of seven people to get thrown into the future, have something stupid to do, but then they realize, because of Chris Press's knowledge, that they should instead do something else. They should follow a path that leads them to information while all these interesting characters slowly get killed until eventually Sam's character has to save him so that he can jump back to the future with the solution to the problem. That's this movie's that's what this movie's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_06 44:56

But it's not. Or something different than that. Or we can counterpitch it.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

Movie with a one-third of this, one third of that, and one third of something else.

SPEAKER_06 45:06

Correct. That's what we do in, right? Well, that's how scripts are broken down. I don't know if you know this, Dan. I don't know if you've read a script book, but there's three acts. Okay. And you want your acts to be as as dis disembodied. What is it? Disjointed? That's disembodied like a ghost. Yeah, disembodied. Yeah, you want them floating around. You don't want them to be connected. That's what I was trying to say. Three different movies is what you're supposed to do. I blew the joke.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

You you want your movie to feel like three movies glued together. That's what you want in your movie.

Jumping To The Future Chaos

SPEAKER_06 45:36

Act one, act two, act three, baby. And you can have three different directors and writers. Even better. Even better. Keep it interesting, guys.

SPEAKER_04 45:46

Okay, so boom, they jump, and then this is the beginning of the movie where they're falling, they fall, and they some of them land in the pool, a lot of them fall to their deaths, some are just some are injured and broken. We don't deal with the injured and broken ones.

SPEAKER_06 46:00

I think we just leave them. I think they're just dead in the city, I'm pretty sure. Now, I have a I have a question, a logistics question for you, Dan, because I was trying to understand. Yeah. The jump. Yeah. Didn't they say like the jump happens wherever you are? That's where you jump to? No.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

No? No, they set up that the jump thing is out in the ocean, and we have to we maintain the sort of 30 years. We set that right, but they don't land in the middle of the ocean. Well, the the idea is the bit is that you don't want to jump people right to where they're supposed to be, because then you might put people inside of stuff. Something. Yeah. So you want to you want to do them a little above and then they fall. That's that's the thinking, and then they just miscalibrate.

SPEAKER_06 46:48

But they did it over a skyscraper, from what I could tell. Yeah, so they miscalibur. That doesn't make any sense. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

You mean you wouldn't you'd put them out in a field somewhere?

SPEAKER_06 46:56

You'd do something like somewhere somewhere on ground, I think would be a great idea. Like, why would we put them on top of a building that they then have to go down and out of to get to a different building? What kind of plan is that? Anyhow.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

Well, what you would have said is is the building next door is 14 stories, and this is a seven-story building, and you know, you meant for them to be calibrated for the 14-story building where they would have landed on the top of it, but instead we got bumped over, you know.

SPEAKER_06 47:24

Sure. Science. Well, anyhow, just thought it was weird.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

We actually have a have a we have a very dark thing that we could talk about that that girls' school that that that got bombed in the war. We right at the beginning of the war, we bombed we bombed an Iranian girl school and killed 168 girls. They were using AI to do the targeting, and AI went and intelligently looked at different coordinates and sent the stuff to the wrong coordinates. Yeah, AI killing people. You gotta love AI.

SPEAKER_06 47:59

AI is coming a long way. They're doing a great work.

SPEAKER_04 48:03

Good job at killing people that don't need to be killed because you want to save the idea of having a stupid human look at something and go like, well, this doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_06 48:12

This is the human doesn't go along with it. It's not like it's a it's a human craft uh flown aircraft. Like they would just be finding the coordinates and delivering it to the system, right? That doesn't that's very strange.

SPEAKER_04 48:25

The idea of and it's interesting to do our anti-AI topic in the middle of the show. Uh I just just read about a couple of court cases where you know, once again, these lazy DAs are like, oh, I'll just have AI do everything and send it in. And it's insane. These and some of these guys get caught multiple times.

SPEAKER_06 48:47

I would hope so. I hope everyone gets caught.

SPEAKER_04 48:50

You should be disbarred instantly if you aren't checking.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

Immediately. But yeah. But this is the world we're going into. We're in a we're in a weird time right now.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

It's gonna be it, and we just had that novel get kicked off for being AI, for being AI slop.

SPEAKER_05 49:06

Uh what what what novel?

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Uh, this horror female empowerment horror novel called Shy Girl. Got published in England, and then now they figured out that it was AI, which any human being reading it can be like, oh yeah, this is it's fucking shit. Of course, the greatest thing was the the girl that wrote it, she's like, Well, I didn't use the AI, but I had a friend of mine edit my book for me, and then I never read it. So he probably he probably put all the AI in there. Uh-huh. That makes perfect sense. Wait, what happened? So you had somebody else rewrite your book and then you didn't read your own stupid book?

SPEAKER_06 49:47

Right. That's all all your fault. Still entirely.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

Okay, so boom. They're gonna bomb the city. What our guys have to do is go down uh the one building, cross the street, into the next building, go up to the seventh floor, and then retrieve this little this little thing of vials, which at no point do we worry about the vials. We never take them off somebody that's dead, we never have to toss them from one person. We don't do anything with these tiles to get put in a bag and never thought about again.

SPEAKER_06 50:17

Yeah, yeah. Chris Pratt puts them in a little carrying case, and then they're good. That's all you gotta do. I don't know if you've ever carried anything, but it's got its own protective case, so won't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

And for some re for some reason, well, no, no, he puts them in a random box. He he carries the.

SPEAKER_06 50:34

You don't think that's specifically for no no no.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

He pulls he takes them out and then he goes into the next room and then he finds a box that has some stuff in it. He dumps that box out, then he dumps those into that.

SPEAKER_06 50:44

I thought it would have said like box for vials, you know, and he was just like, oh, that's perfect. I better put these in here.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

He just kind of throws them into this other box. It doesn't even, it doesn't get some bubble wrap, doesn't do anything, but whatever. I mean Well, glass doesn't break. I re I don't know. I re-watched that one Avengers movie where they where there's like the evil vial and then it gets passed around, and there's a whole Avengers sequence about this vial, and I'm like, that's that was a great it was a great sequence. You can watch it again and again because you're like, oh, the violence.

SPEAKER_06 51:17

Oh, catch the vial, oh the vibe America's ass. But you know, this movie that would involve doing stuff that sequentially happens you don't want to have to worry about the vials, you know, that's too much choreography.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

Okay, so there's dead dead people hanging there. Oh, they have to get a hard drive too. Did we we never saw them getting the hard drive? They get the stuff, but I'm sure they got it. They have this huge music, and then they get to the stairwell, and then we turn off the huge music, and then they start doing spooky music while they go down, and then here come the monsters. Talk about the monsters, Tony.

SPEAKER_06 51:52

There were there are times where I like the monsters, and then there are times where I hate the monsters. Yeah. And I find it interesting that that's the same movie, just because like there are scenes where I'm like, oh shit, this looks nice, they're scary. Like some of these, some of the face shots were like. Really nice, and then some of the body shots are just like I don't know, like a messed up praying mantis where it's like, oh, that was kind of broke in half. So I'm I'm torn. I think maybe we should see them less just because too many. It's too many, but also if you're watching, if you made this movie, yeah, and you're watching and posting you're like, wow, this shot looks really good. They're scary, they're like you get that they're it could kill you, and then this shot looks like a goofy ass high school production. Wouldn't you just cut this one? Just be like, keep the good stuff, guys, because this looks really nice, and people are gonna be scared. Gotta get to two hours and 17 minutes. Stretch the runtime as far as just put more CGI in, put more.

SPEAKER_04 52:59

I don't know. The problem is the monsters are either incredibly effective or they're incredibly ineffective.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

And that's your problem. If I unload a hundred bullets into it and it comes and kills me, or I shoot it 20 times and it just dies.

SPEAKER_06 53:15

You're like with a handgun, by the way. Sometimes they take out they have machine guns and it's fine. And then it's like, oh wait, one bullet at a time is better.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

The handguns were never effective. The two times that we went from machine gun to handgun, the handguns were not effective. That I will give the movie. But but after handgun, then he pulls out uh what did he pull out? A knife, yeah, some with a hook. He had a knife and he had an axe, and then he killed it with the axe. And you're just like, uh I don't think so. A pistol versus an axe, the the pistol is always going to do way more damage than an axe's. Yeah, even in a stupid movie like the Watch Out the Monsters Might Hear You movie. What's that movie?

SPEAKER_06 54:06

A quiet place. Quiet Place, that's what it's called. I do wish to Watch Out the Monsters Might Hear You. Uh Part two.

SPEAKER_04 54:15

You know, they're like they're like tanks, and you gotta you gotta wait till they open their ears and then shoot them in the ear. Yeah. Okay, you know, just give us give us the shoot them in the ear, you know? But no.

unknown 54:26

Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Boom. Uh they get the stuff, so they do a lot of fighting. People start getting killed. Automatic, then he kills the guy with the axe. They finally get out on the street and they're like, okay, we're sending you these Humvees. Here come the three Humvees, and they're they they do the collective cheer Humvees! Yeah, and then the aliens come and destroy the Humvees. That was nice.

SPEAKER_06 54:49

It's funny, it's funny, but my problem is now you've shown that they can toss cars around. Yeah, they can't, and yet our humans are fighting them with axes. Yeah, I I don't know if I agree with those two things happening at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

Uh um, Humphies, they escape, but they lose everyone.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

That was good. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

Oh, okay. Now hold on. Okay, so so we don't even know where they're going, and then they fall down this sort of thing, and the one guy accuses him of falling down as if it was a bad thing, even though it leads to them escaping.

SPEAKER_06 55:26

Escaping, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

Yeah, you're like, I don't understand. He's gonna get accused of doing something either. And it seemed to be the way that got out the few people that they got out.

SPEAKER_06 55:35

That's correct. Yeah, but it's bad. He did a bad job.

SPEAKER_04 55:39

Yeah. So boom, we're in the hospital, Charlie survived.

Monsters Weapons And Action Geography

SPEAKER_03 55:43

Um, they're in the Dominican, and so we have this other guy, Dorian, who this is who's been there before, and he's been there three times, and we're gonna end up finding out that he has supposedly cancer, and that's why he keeps coming, because he's gonna die anyways, even though, you know, as we all know, when you have cancer, you don't just do things, you your body gets destroyed.

SPEAKER_06 56:06

Well, yeah, yeah, you have cancer. You're his body's being eaten from the inside, unfortunately. So he has a very interesting line that he says several times, which is it doesn't matter. You'll see. He says something on the lines of you'll see, it doesn't matter. So I'm this is where I'm gonna set up what I thought was gonna happen in the movie. Got it. All right, ready. Nothing changes because nothing can change. Because the future that they are in, where they sent people back to to when these people and from the future were children, all of that has to happen to get to this point. So everything they're doing technically already happened in the past. You can't change the future, right? Isn't that how we've all looked at it before? And either sending people back to steal people from the past to fight in the future, that already changes the future, right? Technically, unless all of this has already happened and we are still on one trajectory, sure, which has to be what we're doing. Sure. In which case, this movie ends with Chris Pratt realizing he can't save the world. That's how this movie ends. We all die, we lose because this has already happened. Then he abandons his family? So he abandons his family. So he goes to the future, sees his daughter die, comes home, a broken shell of a man, and he's like, I have to figure out how to make this vial work. He's obsessed with it, he starts losing his family. He move his wife leaves him because he's obsessed with the science, because he's gonna save the future. And then he find he figures out I actually can't because all of this are we we're not changing the future at all. We're on one trajectory, there's nothing we can do to change it. Nothing matters. Credits. That's how this movie should end.

SPEAKER_03 58:07

Well, that would be like a science fiction movie.

SPEAKER_06 58:10

Well, that's what this is. This is sci-fi baby.

SPEAKER_05 58:14

It's not a science fiction movie, anyhow.

SPEAKER_06 58:16

So that's where I thought they were going this whole time. So when they come back, and we'll talk about when they come back and they're like, ah, they're frozen in Russia. I was like, fuck you. What? This doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? Yeah, but you knew they had to have a reason to bring JK back. I mean, I know, but I was just like, come on, let's do this for real. We know you're doing time travel. There are certain rules of time travel. There are no rules. If they come back to change the future, your future is different. It's just what it is.

SPEAKER_04 58:48

No rules. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 58:50

So dumb.

SPEAKER_04 58:51

And this is this is the part, this is actually the part where I got pissed off. They like say to Charlie and Dorian, the funny guy and the the cancer guy, they're like, Yeah, oh, you're getting redeployed. Like, well, wait a second. You can't talk. This is my guy. I'm watching this movie for my comedy guy who's making good jokes. That's that's why I'm here.

SPEAKER_06 59:12

And he was. He was great.

SPEAKER_04 59:13

He was great. And then he's like, gone. You're like, wait a second. No, he has to be able to get away.

SPEAKER_06 59:19

Well, we need to take time for the emotional stuff.

SPEAKER_04 59:21

Chris Pratt has to demand. Oh no, he stays with me. These guys stay with me. These are my guys. I'm not I'm not going anywhere. Go fuck yourselves unless my guys are with me. He he has to start being the leader, you know. You're like, oh, okay. He has to do he should do something. But no, they get redeployed for unknowable reasons, like whatever.

SPEAKER_06 59:39

And it's just like, hey, take care of them. Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 59:42

So he goes and meets the woman that he's been talking to on the phone. It's the daughter. She won't give him it's his daughter from the future. She's still alive. She won't give him a hug. Um she went to MIT. Um, there's she's like, oh, we're gonna all lose. And so what we have is they need a female. They need a female because they have a toxin that kills the males. And to which you say, Wait, I just we had just fought all those males. Why didn't you toxin those? Why are you blowing up the city if you can just shoot them with a toxin? Just yeah. Why, you know, if you could, and it we find out later they're gonna send the toxin back to the past and have it made in the past to come to the future. Well, why the fuck don't you just make it now and then do do the do that? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:26

Correct. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Well, uh, yeah, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

So that's the answer. So they take a copter and they're gonna go to where the female is because they know where one is. They talk a little bit about how the monsters got here, whatever. And he wants to talk about how he died, she won't tell him. They go into the cave of bones where the queen is. It's a whole we've somehow got a cage in there, and then we're trying to throw chains on here, and then we we later learn that we can we can anesthesize her. You're like, wait a second, so why don't you just pour gas into her? Do that. So why don't you just do that? Just do that right away and then take her. I always love it when when you can anesthesize an alien. How I mean, then you could do if you could do that, you could do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:20

Well, you could, but you can't always, you see. It's you got you gotta already, she's gotta be in a cage. Because part of it's mental. That's what it is. It's it's 90% mental tricks. I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:34

So basically, they go down there, she goes down there, they fight, he doesn't go, and then he's like, Oh, I think they need my help, but she forbid him to come. So he goes down and he he makes it so that they're effective, they get away, and then but her and him somehow end up in a Humpvey, and then they drive out to the beach, and then they get out on the middle of the beach and have a big discussion where like this is an island overrun by these monsters.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

And what do they what do they talk about, Tony?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:05

Um, I don't know. I got nothing. This is when she tells him what he did, how he Oh, you abandoned me. You left. Oh, I forgot to tell you the rest of my plot. So here we go. These are not aliens in my movie. They're humans. They're not. Well, maybe they are humans. We make them. We create them. This toxin, what we are what we think we're making as a toxin, is actually somehow what creates them. So he realizes the aliens?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

He realizes, he realizes that he is making them, and then he's like, This is it's all it's all a circle. This has all already happened. Like, there's nothing we can do. So then he gives up and he's gonna go to his daughter, but then the humans kill him in the car accident. As he's on his way to like say see his family and say goodbye. They kill him because he now knows the secret and they can't let that out.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:57

Well, no, he yeah, they kill him in the thing, and we see the monster crawl out of the car into the sewer. It's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

Wouldn't that be fun? What a sad movie. Tony, you actually've got a good plot. That's what I'm saying. Let's make it. Tomorrow war two, everybody. Wait, that's already in development. Tomorrow war three, everybody. Anyhow, yeah, so he left her. So they separated when she was 12, divorced when she's 16. 14. He was in the car accident and dead. Okay, thank you. Dead, super dead. This is a weird conversation because he fights it, right? He says, I would never leave it. I wouldn't do that. She's like, well. And we believe him. Yes, but that doesn't make sense because we believe him the whole time. We're on his side. We're like, yeah, you you would never leave your family. We know that. So how how is this gonna make sense? And they never make it make sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:55

Well, they don't, we don't we choose. See, that's the that's the my whole problem with a lot of Hollywood movies or movies like this is and I'm sure lots of people have the same exact problem, is they don't give a chance for a character to grow because Chris Pratt and and Paul Rudd can't be that guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

Poor Paul. How did Paul Paul's just catching strays, not even in this movie? That poor guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:19

You know, and that's you gotta you gotta you gotta be a character. That's the whole idea. Yeah, especially, I mean, not that these guys want to win awards. I I wonder if it's I wonder if they don't let Paul Rudd do it. You know, and they don't let Chris Pratt do it. You know, not that Chris Pratt would know, but you know, Paul Rudd would know. Paul Rudd would be like let me let me be a character. You know, it's like uh you look at those Anchorman movies and you're just like, yeah, these guys are all terri. He's terrible. Anchorman, he's terrible, he's a terrible person.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:53

Yeah, and it's great, and it's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:55

We love it, we love him for it. We you know, and it's like I always have you ever have you rewatched Eurovision? No, I feel like I should, though. I watched we really enjoyed that. I get emotional, I love there's so many scenes that are some of my favorite movie scenes, and you know, his character is terrible. He absolutely makes the absolute wrong choice. He abandons her, he abandons her hard. Yeah, and it's it's emotional. But you get the the most beautiful payoff in the world is he he throws his dream aside for her, and you're just like that is it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:35

Wonderful, and but we that's called movie making baby.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:38

We've set up this guy not to not to do good things. He's not set up to be the magnanimous person that he has to he has to become, realizing that that's what's important.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:52

None of those things happen. They go to the big water base, there's the chained up queen, and it's just her and him working. Working on the chain of queen.

Time Travel Rules And Better Endings

SPEAKER_06 1:06:02

Right. What? That doesn't first of all, he wouldn't be working on it. He's not a part of the group. Um, but she's all by herself. I don't understand. There's not a team of scientists. She's got 400 slides to go through. There's not a second person to help. 1000. So oh, sorry. 1,000 slides to go through. Um so stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:24

And then at a certain point, you know, he's like, You brought me here for a reason. No, she didn't. She just sort of brought him here, sort of. To bring it back. Oh, to bring it back.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:33

She brought him here to bring it back. Okay. So anybody could do that. No, Dan. Just this one guy who abandoned her as a child could do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:42

Yeah. So, you know, she sets up that it's going to be really hard work. We have a little bit of a montage and it's like, problem solved.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:49

Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. 40%, 47%, 50%.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:53

We we did it. We did it. Okay. Great job, team. So the queen wakes up and goes and then Why is she waking up?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:02

Aren't we keeping her sedated? Did we forget to schedule? Did someone forget to set their phone alarm to remind themselves to go inject the queen? We only have 500,000 people. They they don't have an anesthesiologist on board, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:18

She wakes up, makes a noise, and instantaneously they're breaching the field and attacking. They're already there. Like they didn't travel, they're already there. I don't know. Uh they destroy the perimeter, and the two of them have to sort of creep around going, like, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:35

Yeah, covert mission stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:38

Really stupid. There's a burning cruise ship that cruises through the thing. I like the cruising cruise burning cruise ship.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:43

I mean, I like it. I'm who's on the cruise ship? Who knows? I'm confused why there's a cruise ship during this movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:50

Well, because you know, you're moving away from the aliens. You know, aliens control the land, and so you've moved to the sea, and so you've you set up a base in the move, a floating base, essentially.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:02

Okay, cool. I would live on a carnival cruise ship. That's all I'm saying. I would totally do it. So if that's an option, I'm in. I'd set it on fire. Why? For what purpose? She's got that cool visual of it on fire. So you're just on the base. He's like, I would love to see this cruise ship on fire. Anyone else? All in favor, say I. Set my home on fire, you bastard.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

Everything goes boom, and the the the daughter is dying. Yeah, she gets um white snake. Oh, yeah, she gets white snake. She goes, I'm sorry, I was angry. Take the vial. You've got to leave me. I love you, Dad.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:42

Why would she say she's sorry for being angry that he abandoned her as a child? That doesn't make sense. I I agreed with that line.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:50

Really? Because she wouldn't hug him. And she's realizing now she should have hugged her dad because It's the only only chance she was gonna get.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:01

Yeah. She should be sorry to herself, not her dad. Fuck her dad. He left her.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:05

So the alien falls, she falls, he like jumps to try to save her. Like it's I'm gonna tell you something. Jumping into open space with nothing, you know. Maybe if you like, maybe if you did the John McClain and grabbed the hose and jumped for her, I'm like, I'm you know, and that's a great callback. I'm not gonna get angry if he grabs the hose and tries to save her. I'm gonna I'm gonna be like, oh, that's a fun callback. It's cute.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

But no, he just jumps into the pile of aliens.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:33

There's a pile of aliens clawing up. Dying with her. No. He's not gonna save her, he's just dying with her. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:39

You have to, and that's the other thing is you gotta make like the moment where he's like, I gotta let her go because I gotta protect the vial. You know, he understands that she's made the sacrifice. It's he needs to make the sacrifice too?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:52

Like, what do you I don't it's that really mess with his head, and he grabs the hose, he's diving after her, he grabs her hand, saves her, boom, he's teleported out, and then she falls and dies. There you go. That's fun. That'll really mess up his head, you know. This will be real sad pants.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:10

Uh, he jumps, he gets back in time, he's like, I've got the the toxin. And the thing, but they're like the jump leak crashed, and then he sees Charlie, and Charlie's all like, I hid.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:26

And he says that as if he's ashamed of himself. But you live, dude. Like, like, I'm sorry. Oh, Tony. Good for you, dude. Hide away. Everybody died. This is they lost. We lost. We lost, guys, and he survived. So he gets at least 15 more years.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

This is bullshit. You you can't. This is a bullshit way to treat a character. Because I mean, if this was the movie, sure, he hid, and so he has to go see him and ask, but but then in like the next scene, he's just like, I'm Charlie. He's just yeah, he's unaffected by I'm Hid. No, not long, long. He's fine. He's fine. I won't worry about it. So if I was make if I was I'd just cut that out, and then he meets him again, and he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, it was it was rough.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:14

Right, and that's fine. But if you're gonna make him all sad and hid, he needs to be convinced to go back on another mission. And it's because he's he doesn't think he's the right guy, you know. He's I'm worthless out there. Yeah. So and I need you for some unknown reason. I don't he doesn't really need him though.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

So I guess yeah, he does because he said some thermal thermal stuff, some geothermal stuff. A couple of thermal things. Yeah, yeah, you're right. He gets home, they have the sign for him. I thought they were doing some Vietnam coding. Not really. He's broken, sort of.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:47

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:47

They hug. That night he watches over her, and then he's got this way he says, I've got a solution and no way to use it. The government is not interested in him having so they let him take it?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:01

Right. That doesn't make any sense. So everybody, all the future people know why he's being sent, I assume, which is to retrieve the medicine the antidote or whatever we're calling it, to save everyone. So they know what he has. He wouldn't be able to leave with it. One two, he goes back to them and is like, hey, can you make as many of these as you can? And a small group with the government says yes, but government as a whole doesn't know about it. That doesn't make any sense. Like the government would would immediately take that and it's theirs. That's the end of the movie. I don't know. It's very silly.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:39

And you're gonna save the future because you have the thing that kills them. So as soon as as soon as they do show up, you just shoot that in into those caves, yeah, and they die.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:51

You would think, not really though.

Daughter Reveal Queen Mission Meltdown

SPEAKER_04 1:12:54

But but instead, what they have to do is they have to go recruit everyone. They have to recruit Dorian, they have to recruit Charlie. Char in Charlie's lab, he figures out that the volcanic ash is from China, then they go to the autistic kid who tells them about the volcano, and they learn that the volcano is somewhere in Russia, I guess. And so then they have to go to then they they decide that they personally have to do a covert mission to the city. And the government says, sorry, it's a no, and then he goes and talks to his dad. Yeah. And then the dad says, so how's the future? Do the dolphins still suck?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:38

The answer to that is yes, by the way. Having lived a little bit in the future, the answer is yes. Um you want to know why I like Independence Day so much, Dan?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:50

Because when Will Smith kills the alien, it's fucking when he shoots down the alien ship and then fights that's a good scene.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:57

Hundred percent. Good scene. But there but the the Bill Pullman speech. Yeah. When he's like, We're all we're pulling together. This is our independence day. The world comes together to fight the aliens.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:11

Well, they are we already the Earth already did come together to fight the aliens.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:16

And now they won't finish it. Now they're we have a cure. No, we have the thing. We have the thing that'll kill them, and now the government's like, yeah, we tried. We're done. I'm good. We don't need to, we don't need to try anymore. We'll just die. It's cool. I don't I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:35

So somehow the dead has a plane, he has he has they're able to synthesize all this stuff, they have weapons, they have they have snowmobile like all magic snowmobiles.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:48

Snowmobiles. They're cool, man. I like them.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:51

Um so they go to the glacier with the snowmobiles. We might as well be looking for an ice cube. Then they find the ice cube, they find the ship, they take video of the ship smartly. Yeah, good. You gotta have the evidence. It's a crash site. They go in there, they find other aliens, and then they realize that the bad aliens are like cargo.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:15

And so I'm yeah. I'm glad that they did that because the entire movie I'm thinking to myself, these aliens can't fly to Earth. They're not intelligent enough to build a spaceship and come here. Which is why I thought they were man-made. But at least they're sure like the the the animals, you know, are wild beasts of another people of some sort.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

And I mean, that was another thing in um Independence Day, is the scientists have been working on this for a long time, and you get to the lab and you're like, oh, it makes sense that they've been working on this, and and you don't have to pull the magic at magic the rabbit out of the hat where you're like, we just did all this in 30 seconds. No, they've been studying it forever. Um okay. So boom, boom, boom. They start jabbing some of them, and then the others awake, and so it it all goes pandemonium, and then they have to blow up the whole spaceship, and it so everybody dies except the three. The three. And they get out. Charlie killed one with a chainsaw. Uh they get out, but there's one more, and so they have to fight that one, and dad sets up a decoy and tries to shoot it, and then it's doing this, and then it's about to kill dad, and he sh hits it with a snowmobile, and then there's an Which was a cool that was a cool scene, a cool little moment, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:45

It's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

Once again, it was just you weren't, you know, it was spatially where you're like, I thought the audio was running away, but instead it's here, and then it's there, and then they you know they shoot it a bunch, and then they have to go back to back, and then and then each of them's gonna try and get it to jump over to its death. JK cuts himself. I like that, that was nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:08

Yeah, smart.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:09

Um, and then Dan jumps at her, he then he toxins her, and then she falls off the cliff with her.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:17

Well, Chris jumps on its back at one point. That was a mistake. Yeah, you shouldn't have done that part. Just throw it one, it looked really bad, but two, it didn't make it like he would have had to jump five feet in the air. Like that's a big thing. I don't know. But yeah, they win.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:33

Well, we should have set up that they had one vialotoxin left, right? We never that he still had toxin. We were like, oh, I guess he has toxin?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:42

I didn't know that. They made a lot. I mean, you don't know, you don't know, but they made a lot of it, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:48

And then they're laying on their backs, and then Charlie shows up and he's like, he lays down on his back. He makes a good joke then I don't remember what it was.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:55

He says somehow, yeah, let's just let's just rest or something.

Back Home Russia Ship Finale

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

You know, they should have had Charlie. That's great. They should have had Charlie show up with the last file of toxin.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:04

He throws the toxin to Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt does great.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

Yeah, he does that all the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:12

Uh the government takes credit, family's happy, and they bring the grandpa back to be with the daughter.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:19

And the grandpa's driving a sweet, sweet car. I don't know if you saw that in the background. I don't know what it is, but it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:25

I got emotional. You know, I will get emotional on stuff like this every time.

unknown 1:18:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:30

And you're like, It's good. You could have been way more emotional, you could have got me way more, but absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:35

Yeah. We did miss my favorite line in the movie, which is from Sam.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

I didn't do all the Sam jokes because there's a ton of ton of jokes.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:45

I just want to say one of them because it was it's a home run from me. It's when they're getting redeployed, and Chris tells them, like, hey, you're gonna do this, and he's like, I'll survive. And then the other guy laughs. And Sam goes, Hey, you don't laugh. You don't laugh when someone says they're gonna survive something. Like, I just it was very, it was really nice. He should do more stuff like this. I was this is great.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:10

He he's great in Detroit's wonderful. Oh, yeah. Um I don't think he's as funny on on the sh the the the comedy side, you know, like when it's just comedy. He's not as good a sketch guy, I don't think, in general. Agreed. I mean, Tim is like one of the greatest sketch performers of all time when he's crazy, when he's doing their stuff because he's crazy. And and but I was just tonally, he just slid in there as the only character doing that, and it he felt like a real- not out of place.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:43

He felt like a real person who's funny, as opposed to able to thread that needle, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

And so I at no point did I think, ah, this movie has a tone problem. Because usually when you do that, you'd be like, This movie has a tone problem. You've put Keegan Michael Key in there, you know, like in the Predator movie, Keegan Michael Key, who's great, you're just like, nope, this it's he's funny, but it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:07

It's weird. Yeah, no, he he humanizes it in a way that is grounded and yet funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:13

Yeah.

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Great.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:14

10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:15

Yeah, great. Anything else you want to say about Chris Pratt's performance?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:20

Uh um there was a mo there's a moment when he's talking to his wife about how he watched his daughter die. And uh he just, you know, he just doesn't care. He's he does his thing. His move is when he has to care about something, he looks down, which is fine, and then he squeezes his eyes. He's like, Oh, I'm really feeling it now, guys. That's his move to feel emotions. Um, it doesn't work, but he's he's doing that when he's talking about it's like I saw her die. And it's like, no, you didn't. You didn't see your daughter die. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

Hit the poop.

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SPEAKER_06 1:21:01

It's great. It's great. The whole time I was wishing it was Glenn Powell, just so you know. Would have been better. Yeah, would have been great. Have you seen the running man? Uh, three times, no. Yeah. It's okay. I mean, it's not great. He's wonderful. He's good. It's uh, you know, it's a little silly. It's not it's not the best, but it's better than this movie. I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:24

Okay, Tony, tell us about something else you like this week.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:27

Well, you're not gonna like my answer. We finally we finished the traders. And it was delightful. Okay. Um, we're gonna watch all the other seasons. I mean, it's only been on for three four US seasons and then a couple seasons in the UK. But we're gonna watch them all, it turns out. The show's very fun. Watching people lie to each other and then get mad at each other for lying to each other. So funny. What a great concept! It's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:55

That's it. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:57

What about you, Dan?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:58

Uh, we did watch the first episode of Jury Duty Family Company Retreat. And Alex is great.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:10

Is he great? Oh, God.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:12

He's the he's the star.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:14

He's I knew I should have stayed friends with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:17

You should have stayed friends with himself. God damn it. And then Emily's in there too, and she's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:22

And I hope she's great. Oh, she's great and everything. Warren?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:25

These are all people we actually know that are on the show who are improviser comedians, and the show, the whole premise of the show is that there's one person who's a real person, then everyone around them are improvisers. And uh yeah, I'm not gonna talk about it, but they do one thing in the first episode that I just was like it was a high wire act, and I was like, wow. Interesting. They do something, you're just like a character, and they have earpieces in some of the people's ears, and so they feed them, they feed them concepts and lines. I mean, you know, they're doing their they're doing their thing, of course. But you know, they they'll kind of push you in a direction. I think they push the performers in directions sometimes. Sure. And they have one lady say something to the guy, and you're just like, wow, that is a dangerous thing to be saying to this guy, and you're on your first episode. You're like, wow, man, you know, it's like yeah, all right, very impressive.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:24

Yeah, I I'm I'm very excited. I have to have to. I have to see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:28

Um, Tony, we need a new well, we need a movie. It could be a very old movie. Well, it's not.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:35

So spoiler alert. Um so this is we're just we're just gonna stick with Chris Pratt double feature picture show. Oh, okay. And we're doing his new movie, Mercy. I'm not even gonna set it up too much. Oh no. This is one where he's like framed for killing his wife, and there's like an AI judge, and we gotta watch it. We gotta watch it. So we're just gonna do it right in a row.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:54

I think it's Rebecca Ferguson playing uh Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:56

Rebecca Ferguson. I saw she's wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:59

Oh, I love her desperately. She was on Seth on uh Late Show or whatever. Oh, okay. Yeah. She didn't talk about this movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:12

Well, you can't really blame her for that. Uh that was so funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:18

When what what talking about this movie? Because it just came out.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:21

Wasn't the highlight of her career, I guess. Is it on demand? How do you watch this movie? Uh we're gonna have to I'm gonna have to buy it so we can both watch it. Mercy. Vod, as they say.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:32

Like, man, the movies that come out like this and just, you know, I mean, tomorrow were the same sort of thing. It sort of came out, sort of nobody really watched it, sort of disappeared, sort of forgotten. Chris Pratt. Well, we're gonna let's it's got to have I'm sure his acting has gotten better in the last five years.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:49

Well, what I'm excited about is the uh critical score for this is 25%, but the audience score is 83%. On Rotten Tomatoes, on Rotten Tomatoes. So I'm excited to see what this comes up.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:03

They could have paid for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:06

Some so one person in the audience says it's best seen in 3D, so we're in trouble. We don't have 3D. Best seen in 3D? That's what it says. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:16

I didn't expect that for this movie. What movie's ever best seen in 3D? That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:22

So well, this one, mercy. That's the answer. That's the one. You just you just learned it right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:28

If you like what you see, give us a thumbs up, uh, leave a comment, or subscribe. Those are all things you can do to keep us doing this.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:37

Truthfully. Nothing's gonna stop me. So unless you pull the plug, Dan, they don't need to do anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

Truthfully, nothing's gonna nothing can help or hurt hinder. Whatever's gonna nothing can help. You know, whatever's gonna happen is doing great. It this is life.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:53

Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. Amen to that. We're doing we're just riding by. Control is an illusion.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:00

Oh so we'll see you next week when we'll be talking about the movie Mercy. Goodbye, everybody.