Inside the Huddle: Analyzing NFL Moves and College Football Controversies

Get ready to tackle the big leagues with Travis Holmes, our special guest this week, and the guys as we rip through the labyrinth of NFL free agency and the courtroom shenanigans surrounding college football TV rights. Your comments fuel our fire, and Herb and Rodg, you've outdone yourselves this time with your spot-on insights. From Florida State University's scrimmage with the ACC to the rise of super conferences, we're peeling back the layers on what's really driving the future of college football. And for football fanatics, this episode is like stealing the playbook – we're breaking down strategic moves from the Atlanta Falcons, the potential of Jacksonville Jaguars' new roster, and the impact of superstar athletes on their teams.

Have you ever wondered how a major sports figure's off-field drama impacts their game? Buckle up as we dissect the ripple effect of Shohei Ohtani's interpreter's gambling woes on his career and the sport itself. Basketball prodigy Katelyn Clark's phenomenal rise also hits our court, as we put her record-breaking feats under the microscope. Quarterbacks, watch your six; we're scrutinizing Deshaun Watson's comeback and Joe Flacco's surprising hustle on the field. Plus, we're not shy about calling out the NFL's high-

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Speaker 1: 0:21

Let's go. Welcome back to the all purpose pod for an all purpose life, wherever you are, and have your listens, and they call me Mr you the podcast. We thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day, in your week. We're your weekly mirror. Check. Before you go change the world, the guys are in our house. We have special guests. Mr Travis Holmes in the house. Good morning, fella.

Speaker 2: 1:11

Good morning, good morning, hey, early morning too, man, yo y'all.

Speaker 1: 1:16

Trust me, we in here early couple Joe we running Herbal has some interesting here with us. The herb is in the comments section rock and roll with his brother, raj. They do the Herb and Raj podcast every Tuesday 9 pm EST on your YouTube channels and, of course, on Twitter as well. So they're out here representing the comment section for us. So we appreciate you guys, love you. Hope you guys are safe out there where you are. And good morning Raj, the other half of the Herb and Raj podcast. Good morning. And of course, obligatory road time must be added. You would never leave that out under any circumstance. We know who you we're brother, there's no question about that man. But how would you guys weekend man, anything of note to report, to share? Just doing a?

Speaker 2: 2:02

lot of, a lot of business meetings hanging out with print people having seen in a long time I mean that's, that's always been, been been a little great, but no, just family stuff and business and a little bit of business stuff, juggling them between it, you know.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Yeah, I'm with you and everyone, brother. Oh, how about you, brother?

Speaker 3: 2:19

just continuing this move thing, so starting to unload these boxes and starting to.

Speaker 1: 2:27

Yeah, I Hope you already in, already Would a halfway through, right oh?

Speaker 3: 2:33

Yeah, we're more than halfway through it, just everything's still a disaster because we. So here's the thing right like we, we moved back Right and then we were staying with the in-laws, so, moving into this place, we didn't we didn't own furniture anymore, right? So?

Speaker 1: 2:50

oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:51

I miss this.

Speaker 3: 2:52

So you know, it's not like you were gonna drag furniture between Mexico in here, so, moving into a spot, it's like okay, well, anything we were gonna get for here, we're not gonna take to our next place, right, when we finally get back into our own house. So it's like okay, we're just picking stuff up off of like Facebook marketplace and stuff like that, and so it makes the process take longer.

Speaker 1: 3:18

It.

Speaker 3: 3:19

I mean, we had most of our stuff, but since we didn't have furniture, it's like, okay, well, now we have to have all those things here, then go find furniture to then put those things in it. So it's been a process. What is? Prime example, I'm in the middle of putting the office here together, so I don't have my green screen today, which is why you see stuff behind me.

Speaker 1: 3:43

That's all I lose. Great.

Speaker 3: 3:45

Yeah, no, it's, it's getting there, it's getting there. I'm really ready to be done moving. That is the main takeaway.

Speaker 1: 3:52

One thing and one of the one thing, few things in the world that I just I'd rather somebody else do it, not me. But it's all good, man. But well, I spend my weekend hand out my second amendment, loving friends, and we're out there with little pew pew in a pop-pop and I had me a good. That's my therapy baby. So I'm repping for a text office. I hit a day too, so It'll be much more to come, much more weapon going on, man, all right. So we got some Full shaman. And good morning, chad. Good to see in the house, man. Last week, man, you killed it with the comments, man. So I know you got plenty coming in this morning. We excited to hear from you. Chad, thanks for joining us. Man, all right. So did you guys watch any March madness? Tell me you guys watch at least one game. Did you guys see the Houston game at least?

Speaker 3: 4:45

I saw little bits in the background. That was it.

Speaker 1: 4:52

And this I.

Speaker 2: 4:53

Didn't see, I didn't see a second of March madness. Yeah, I didn't have, I didn't fill out a bracket. This year I've been I've been swamped with football stuff. I mean, even in the offseason it's actually been busier than in the season.

Speaker 1: 5:08

Well, I love that, because on this show football is not dead. We talk NFL as much as we can, that's right. I don't know what's gonna happen in May and June and July. We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna find somebody to talk NFL and college football and I mean, you're gonna be being equal.

Speaker 3: 5:25

The AFL players report April 1st. Afl, the arena football league. It returns this year also, so all the players report April 1st and then, yeah, we're what. We're 60 days away from the UFL, something like that. So I mean, even in the slowest time, we're gonna have a couple other leagues to check out.

Speaker 1: 5:49

Well, we had so much kind of spent on the UFL I didn't even think about the AFL. So thanks for bringing it to my consciousness Because I was talking about that. But you're a former AFL player so I know it's close to your heart, man. So we definitely talking about a little bit. All right.

Speaker 1: 6:02

So I I Want to jump into, I want to go into NFL free agency, but I guess it might be apropos to jump into this Clemson, florida State ACC lawsuit situation. We talk about a little bit offline and I think our Herb, who's gonna have a lot to share this, or he'll be sharing it from the comment section and we'll be taking his point from there and go ahead, herb, and go ahead and funnel it through as much as you can, but we'll have Travis kick us off with this and we'll be. You know, kind of just breaking down what this is about. We're first off. What are we hearing? What's this really about? How does impact both teams Clemson, florida State and if it impacts well, push one, impact ACC greatly right and it could open the door for at least maybe two more teams to follow suit.

Speaker 2: 6:49

Remember to hear rumors about at the end of the day, it's about the teams not wanting to be in the conference anymore because they want more money, and that makes total sense. Sure, cool. Unfortunately, you signed a contract that gave away the rights through 30, through 20, 36 not great, but we talked about this a little bit offline beforehand is this is a weird situation where they're one of the first two teams to try to sue their way out of a conference, agree out of a TV rights agreement, and they're not necessarily going about it the wrong way. That's. The funniest part about all of this is Whether or not they win or lose. That's not even the point, and I think that's where a lot of people are getting stuck in this muck of this process. It's no different than we were talking about the anti, the minority hiring, anti-discrimination NFL lawsuit. I mean, that thing was what two years ago at this point and we haven't heard anything about it. That's still out there.

Speaker 2: 7:44

I'm wearing florida's buying florida's and the rest of it was three years ago.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Right, it was double-digit coaches and you haven't heard much about that. You know why you haven't heard much about it? Because there's this is such a slow-moving process. It has not even reached the full point of the discovery phrase, which is the part where they start doing depositions of coaches, depositions of NFL owners and all of those ugly, mucky things that no one wants to be in the public eye, and I do mean no one from any of the teams, the organization, etc. That same type of situation happens here.

Speaker 2: 8:18

So when so Florida State files a lawsuit in the state of Florida? Because da, da, da da, we have sunshine laws, which is basically transparency laws, so we have to have everything be public. That's why Florida State wanted this thing to be fought out in the state of Florida. Meanwhile ACC they wanted to be fought out in North Carolina because they wanted to be quote-unquote, hidden, they wanted to be a sealed record. So those are kind of things that they're fighting in, fighting behind the scenes, not necessarily public, but it's kind of public because you know, until they can get a ruling on whether or not it's going to be public information. That's why the ACC kind of filed that secondary lawsuit In both cases, once after they were sued or the other one before they were sued. So that's the the whole gist of it.

Speaker 2: 9:01

It's not about winning and losing at that point. It's simply about can we get to a point where this is going to be public information and we're gonna embarrass ESPN and the ACC network it's our in the ACC conference into making a reasonable settlement offer so we can get out of this thing for not an insane amount of money, which is what it currently would cost. If we can make it to that point, a year, two years, three years from now, whatever it may be we technically win like we'll spend a few hundred million dollars on attorneys fees. That's what it's gonna cost. It's gonna save us 300 million overall. That's the goal, that's the game, and we don't know where that's going to land because at this currently stands there.

Speaker 2: 9:38

Just two days ago there was a motion to dismiss. That was a. The judge was kind of figuring out what, how he felt about it in the Florida for the FSU case and it sounds like that FSU is probably going to win that initial battle. So it's more like the FSU is up 21 to 17 in the fourth quarter. It's looking like they're gonna win, but it's probably gonna go into overtime and and at the end of the day, the ACC is, you know, gonna be able to refile that lawsuit. That's what it looks like at this crime moment in time.

Speaker 1: 10:05

Like the faculty versus the Patriots and Super Bowl, like I mean something like that, but maybe a little bit closer.

Speaker 2: 10:10

But that's what we are right now as it stands. It's sort of feels like they're going to be in. There's gonna be an initial win Everybody's gonna freak out with with FSU, and then that judge is going to likely allow them to refile that lawsuit after the ACC comes to a second. I say a second vote, but really a first vote, because they never voted on a kicking FSU out of the conference originally and that was, that was the issue between. That's the difference between the Clemson lawsuit and the FSU lawsuit. That's mainly that's the main difference. Outside of that is pretty much identical. So that's the biggest part of all of that is these are county court judges and you can, you will always get a Bad ruling from a county court judge. So no matter what happens is probably going to be appealed from either side and we're not close to getting an end of this unless they settle.

Speaker 3: 11:00

Oh right, well it's probably a little too early for them to really consider selling, or I mean settling. They always want to drag it out until they're at that spot where Damning information is gonna come Mm-hmm right. So I Haven't read through this all that much again, moving the whole time right. But you know, just just based on how lawsuits typically work, you know that's one of those. When it's a big company, they're gonna try and lean on the fact that their wallets bigger than yours and then once it finally comes to a spot where they're like, okay, now we're actually gonna look, we're gonna look bad here, let's just go ahead and wrap this thing up.

Speaker 2: 11:42

Who has the bigger wallet in this situation, though?

Speaker 3: 11:45

ACC still does.

Speaker 2: 11:48

Don't, I don't know those boosters, man, that's something.

Speaker 3: 11:50

No, I mean, you're not wrong. I was gonna have a ton of money. But the conference, the conference Controls everybody's money to some degree, right, because they have the TV contract, so it. But as soon as it's like, okay, we're gonna look, even if we win, we're gonna look like the bad guy, let's just go ahead and NDA, and you know. And then it's just mysteriously gone and something else pops up in the In the news cycle.

Speaker 2: 12:19

Well, it's funny, the ACC is the one who promoted the idea that they, that FSU and maybe Clemson couldn't even buy the TV rights back. They put that in the court documents. Before then that wasn't even on the table, so they've already opened the door to that possibility.

Speaker 3: 12:32

Yeah, so they already want this to be done, which, hey, that's a win for them.

Speaker 1: 12:38

Yeah, I think I think the people who we've discussed this on previous weeks, I think people who don't want to see, who be Super conferences, so to speak, and that's it. It's like this doesn't, this doesn't board with us on what Travis is saying about Florida State. If they, they, they win this, this dust up and they get a chance to make an exit. I don't know if it's gonna cost them a whole five hundred seventy two million dollars, but whatever it is, they, they, they win that. It's like the other guys at the left, like Clemson, like the you. What's gonna happen then? It's like the ACC that's gonna be that much farther from the Pat 12 and people gonna be trying to get out of there Before you know, we got these two big conferences and honestly, I love college football with all my heart. Man Well behind the NFL, let's be real about it.

Speaker 1: 13:30

But I don't know how that looks. It doesn't look like it's a great idea to me right now. I mean I want competition in big tank. I've tried to see in the Wolverines mop the floor with folks the past few years. I want to seek some competition. You know what I'm saying. But this right here doesn't seem to this is gonna be. It's gonna really help with that part. And then you got the SEC. That's already competitive, always been really. Now you're gonna have more teams that and the ACC is gonna be like what are they gonna do? Play a season with three teams in it.

Speaker 3: 14:00

But I mean. The fact is it's not gonna do it. This was always the end result though.

Speaker 2: 14:08

I mean, no one wants to embrace that piece of it, and I'm the joker at this point, I just want to see the world burn Like I don't care, man, like this is what it is whenever we try to make a regional sport a national, have a national champion. This was always going to be the end result. And then you add money into the equation and the insane money that we're looking at in these conferences and teams yeah, this was always going to be. The result is, if you once they realized that they can just pull the money together in these super conferences, then the SEC was kind of one of the first ones.

Speaker 2: 14:41

So train and take your eyes off of them, and ever since then this was bound to be the end of that train track is, that was gonna be, that collision, and it's not the way, the way they're boarding.

Speaker 1: 14:52

Yeah, some folks coming in saying good morning to us, just talk. Mom is in the house. That's her baby boy back there.

Speaker 3: 14:58

You know it.

Speaker 1: 14:59

These are our people supported the show. Mom be loving. We appreciate you so much. Thank you so much. And her talking to you over here. What's up, travis? More than her. Yeah man. Well, if not wrong, I mean it's gonna be a super conferences. Ultimately, that's what it's going to become, because I've got to wait for 20, 30, 60 to do it, though, so they can get it done now.

Speaker 2: 15:22

It's probably in the best interest, Not about now, but they might be able to get it done over the next few years Because, again, litigation is not a fast moving process. We're all going crazy getting updates every few days but again, like I said, NFL lawsuit you ain't heard about that and it's been two plus three years Somewhere in. I mean, this may not be a quick process as much as we want it to be.

Speaker 3: 15:41

Oh, I mean it definitely won't be. But even if they are stuck in there, like the super conference thing is coming, I mean they're already huge.

Speaker 1: 15:52

Bro, it's already happening.

Speaker 3: 15:54

No, exactly, and I mean you're going to look at the Pac-12 go away in the next two years.

Speaker 1: 16:00

Just based on the comments I can't believe it's the two teams in it.

Speaker 3: 16:04

Well, based on the comments of their new commissioner, who was part of that leadership force that drove this thing into the ground anyway, but, she came out and said best case isn't growing this back into what it was right.

Speaker 3: 16:25

Best case scenario is finding the best path forward for the two schools that are still in it. So you haven't even fully accepted the job yet and you're already admitting the fact that your best case is to get them into a different conference at the end of this. They're going to play out the two years because they get all the money from the TV contract they already have, but outside of that, pac-12 is a wrap.

Speaker 2: 16:49

And that's not necessarily the wrong decision. It's just kind of is hey, man, if your house is nearly decrepit, if it's decrepit, if it's basically about to fall down, you could try to build it up and hope that it lasts another two years, or you can just not just suck it down and just rebuild, or whatever I mean.

Speaker 3: 17:07

I understand she's in a lot. In this scenario, though, they're not even knocking it down to rebuild, they're just moving. They're just like oh, here's the keys, best of luck. So now, at the end of the day, I think they should end up joining the Big 10, because that's where their rival schools win anyway. Plus, it rounds that conference out to a 20 team conference, so then you could basically have two full divisions.

Speaker 2: 17:32

A film and they won yes.

Speaker 3: 17:34

Yeah, well, I mean yeah, of course, but I mean, at the end of the day, keeping rivalry games is good for the sport.

Speaker 1: 17:42

So if I hope that my mistake was taken where I said but so North Carolina U VT, nc State in Virginia, they're still in the ACC right. Oh Lord, acc I'm like I think they're still there with Clemson, so right now they have them. If you include a Florida State, they got 17. They got like 17. Ok yeah, you can't play a season like that, how I mean you can. You can't play without playing each other over and over again.

Speaker 3: 18:16

No, that's not how it works. You just end up playing a lot of out of conference games. I mean, that's essentially what the Pac-12s do.

Speaker 1: 18:22

And that's what the fans complain about the most. All you need to do is you ain't playing your rival, you ain't playing this kind of quality team. They're playing not Rutgers, but some team I know.

Speaker 2: 18:36

But fans are going to fan, no matter what, though.

Speaker 1: 18:38

I know, what's going?

Speaker 2: 18:39

to happen Like at the end of the day. I don't think anybody's going to be playing a solid out of conference schedule. But if you're playing right, if you're playing the nobodies, then they're out of conference. Who cares?

Speaker 3: 18:51

Yeah, like if you're out there playing two lane and Temple and nobody cares. Nobody wants to see that game, Nobody wants to see Wazoo go and beat up on Temple 55 to 13.

Speaker 2: 19:02

Two lane with the straight, all right, I mean.

Speaker 1: 19:07

I wasn't going to end with the guy at least in the top seven in the quarterback. I wasn't going to mention him, but all right, man, ok. Well, two lane. Two lane is named by Drops. It's all good, all right. Well, you got another comment from her.

Speaker 3: 19:20

I had to take a ranch school to get smoked.

Speaker 2: 19:25

I am an SEC fan and I hate the idea of two super conferences. I don't like what college football is becoming.

Speaker 3: 19:33

It's a pro sport, as long as we can finally move past. Oh, it's college football. It's not, and it hasn't been for a while. But at this point the kids are getting paid. There are hundreds of millions of dollars in TV contracts. This is a pro sport. So you just have to embrace the fact that it's a pro sport. College football has died. If you want to see traditional college football, you're going to look at D2 at this point.

Speaker 1: 19:59

Yeah, that doesn't feel good.

Speaker 2: 20:01

But D2 was always better because D2 had organization from the start. Oh, I didn't scream at that D2 was not forced into making a system on the fly and just because of the court systems and everything like D1. And that's the biggest part of this is everything's being forced on the NCAA's or college football to create something on the go and it's obviously having all the hiccups and all the mess. It's just messy and it's ugly.

Speaker 3: 20:27

I mean, let's be honest, d1 football has always been dumb because it's the only level of football that couldn't figure out how to have a playoff system. Every other version of football Pee Wee to Pro has.

Speaker 2: 20:40

They couldn't figure it out, they didn't want to figure it out, they didn't want it.

Speaker 1: 20:43

No that's about all the time you couldn't.

Speaker 3: 20:46

Like every other version has one that works, and NCAA is like we'll never be able to figure that out. It's like what are you talking about? You're the only one that doesn't know how to do a playoff.

Speaker 1: 20:55

I'm down with Travis on that. With all the technology and information that copy and paste Right, do what they did. They didn't do that all the time. That means they didn't want to do it. That's just neglect.

Speaker 2: 21:06

No, that's because they had the teams at the top didn't want to let that money go out the door. That's what it came down to.

Speaker 3: 21:12

Well, the teams at the top also liked the voting process because there was some serious bias to it.

Speaker 2: 21:19

They were the ones in power. Correct, exactly, bingo. I'm not giving that up to Tulane or any other small school.

Speaker 1: 21:29

All right, chad, I'm not sure I'm catching his comment. Can you clarify this for us? We're not on the Major League Baseball yet, so I'm not quite sure what it is. I'm down to talk baseball and I love it too my first sports love but I'm not sure where you're going with that one. Help me out with that one, brother, so we can give you some more clarity If it's a question, understand the comments, so we'll be back out to us with that, please. All right, so NFL free agency. Let's kind of just get into it a little bit.

Speaker 1: 21:56

So, I can help you out.

Speaker 3: 21:58

Know what? Huh, I can help you out with this comment. So number 17 is Otani. So he's talking about the gambling thing.

Speaker 1: 22:08

OK.

Speaker 3: 22:09

So his interpreter was betting on games, was bad at it and ended up costing Otani 4 and 1 half mil.

Speaker 1: 22:25

So what did we touch there? I missed it.

Speaker 3: 22:27

No, no, no, but that's what he's bringing up is.

Speaker 1: 22:29

Oh OK.

Speaker 3: 22:31

But yeah, so basically the interpreter was bad at gambling. Otani ends up paying this loss bill of 4 and 1 half mil, and so now they're trying to figure out was Otani involved in this? Is the interpreter is just a fall guy, because then all of a sudden it does Otani get suspended indefinitely. Does that give them an out for his contract? So there's going to be some lawsuits involved in this, and so it is going to be an interesting process moving forward.

Speaker 1: 23:06

OK, fair enough. Ok, I understand the entire story. I didn't know, so when did we get there? I must have. Oh.

Speaker 3: 23:13

I mean we didn't, but that's what the reference is.

Speaker 2: 23:17

That's a curious one, though, because where's that line between me making the best through my interpreter versus I'm just covering my interpreter because I care for him?

Speaker 1: 23:25

Exactly, exactly, exactly. I don't know the answer to that question. In fact, chad has another question that we weren't planning to talk about, but since we mentioned March Madness, I think that's where this came from, but he was talking about Katelyn Clark. I'm curious about something with this because I know about the whole Katelyn Clark Angel Reese dust up last year when LSU won the championship. I'm very familiar with what went on there. Sure, everything I'm hearing it could just be media hype. I mean, come on, we watch TV and hear radio. Stuff is happening. Is this person an all-time? I don't think she's an all-time great conversation, but it feels like they want us to look at her in that way. Is that what you guys?

Speaker 3: 24:08

are seeing. Don't do it, hold on. Who do you think? You think Katelyn Clark is it?

Speaker 1: 24:13

No, no, I'm not seeing if she is or isn't. I'm saying it feels like this is being brought out, like this is on like Subaru level, and I'm like I don't know if that's where we are.

Speaker 3: 24:23

She did set the NCAA scoring record for men's and women's, so I mean she's going to be in that conversation, no matter what.

Speaker 1: 24:31

OK, she's an all-time great conversation.

Speaker 3: 24:34

right now you're saying you set the all-time NCAA scoring record, like you're going to be in that conversation, ok.

Speaker 2: 24:42

Whether or not you win or lose, you've got to be part of the conversation. I can understand that Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 24:46

I mean, that's like when you're talking football example. Right, Dan Moreno is still one of the all-time greats. He won zero rings.

Speaker 2: 24:56

Fair.

Speaker 3: 24:57

Right, still in that conversation. Now you won't say he's the goat, but you will look at what he was able to do and be like that's still one of the all-time greats.

Speaker 2: 25:06

OK, all right, trent, I can sign up for that. Yeah, to his point. Yeah, whether or not she is or isn't isn't up to me. I mean, it's not. I don't have a big enough dog in that fight.

Speaker 3: 25:22

But I don't want to.

Speaker 2: 25:23

But absolutely she has to be part of the conversation. She's earned that ticket Like she's cashed that one.

Speaker 3: 25:29

Yeah, I'll be true to both of you guys are seeing, I'm with you there, like I don't have a dog in that fight, like it doesn't matter to me. But when you do that, when you accomplish what she has, you're definitely in that conversation. Now, setting the women's just outright nailed that one right. Setting the men's, there's going to be people that argue the other way, because pistol P played a year less and whatever, right. So then there's that longevity part, which is the LeBron conversation. Right, is he the goat? Because he played longer than everybody. So of course he has the scoring title, right.

Speaker 1: 26:08

So there's, I'm just I'm just saying that for our next space, because we don't have time for me, so I'll touch on that stuff.

Speaker 3: 26:17

No, no, no. I'm just in here making our audience mad, so you know how that works. That's what we all talk about.

Speaker 1: 26:27

We're going to trust that on our next space it's going to be a hot like fire.

Speaker 3: 26:30

No for sure. But all I'm saying is, whether you think LeBron is or isn't, that particular achievement gives him some of that conversation. I don't think he is, but again, that's a conversation for a different day, but similarly right. He's outlasted everyone, so he sets that scoring title. Caitlin Clark also did that as far as setting the men's title, but as far as setting the women's, you know the people that she took down played the same amount of time.

Speaker 1: 27:05

OK.

Speaker 3: 27:05

So that was a true head to head.

Speaker 1: 27:07

I mean, I'm just, I'm just be honest with you. In this neck of the woods where I am, you know it's essentially Lady Gamecocks. All the time I don't wear the colors I am riding, but I'm out here and I got neighbors that are just they rabbit fans and I'm watching them do great things, especially this season. So I'm inclined to look at the team part as opposed to the individual person. But I tell you what, if you guys are saying that you think she should be in the conversation, it is. I'm not here to dispute. I want to respond to Chad's question in regards to you know what his point? By watching a game they playing against, she's playing against the, his favorite team.

Speaker 3: 27:48

Herb, you should try and you should try and join the show sometime.

Speaker 1: 27:54

It's weird when you're not here, brother. Oh man, it's all good though. All right. So let's go back and tell NFL free agency if we can, all right. So a couple of things happen. I don't know what a big deal about. I feel like some of one of these, at least, is an important story.

Speaker 1: 28:13

The Cleveland Browns got Jerry. We talked about him off and on toward the end of the season, wonder if him and Ruff had a future together. You know the answer now it's no. The contract was about three years, about $58 million. It guaranteed $41 million, so they must thought he was really great at wide receiver, I guess. Nice little transaction. Back to the Broncos. On top of that, you got Sean Watson, which is something that we've been talking about also. We've been talking about him quite a bit. They're adding a lot of pieces and they had a top five defense last year, consistently, but you're talking about somebody who we don't know who he is Because he's not using Texas to Sean Watson. I think that brother's dead. So now we're talking about OK, so what's left? So we got Wic, wic and to come back and be fully healthy and if you can use these tools and weapons that he got out here Free agent offensive tackle.

Speaker 1: 29:13

Trent Brown went to the Bengals. It's only going to one year deal, but I think that one was significant. I should say, excuse me, more significant, not if it into the Brown fans. We got friends out here that love the Browns passionately. You know what I'm saying, she know I love you and I think Trent Brown's being with the Bengals that's a big deal, and what's right about it the most is that he has the capability to do the best he can, the most, that he has the capability to play both tackle spots, and that's something that I think the Bengals need that kind of flexibility, because they haven't really figured their own line out very well. Matter of fact, it's better than the defensive part I'll say that in comparison.

Speaker 1: 29:51

But having Trent Brown, if nothing else, if he's not going to come back after this year, at least he serves as a mentor to help out some of the guys that are there now. I think they have Orlando Brown Jr at LT still too. So he's only 30 years old too. I mean that might be older in football years to some people, but it's not that bad. So he has a chance to perhaps elongate that one year deal and help them out a lot because, honestly, if Joe Burrow is not staying upright, their chances go down exponentially. But out of those two deals, you like any of those two for either team? Do you think it's a meh non-factor? How are you feeling?

Speaker 3: 30:36

So Jerry Judy doesn't move the needle. And why I say that is because you don't know what D'Shawn is.

Speaker 1: 30:44

He had no period, but OK.

Speaker 3: 30:47

I mean you could have a complete burner out there. When you have he comes in for the last part of a season doesn't look good. He gets a full offseason preseason, all of that. He got better as the year went but really didn't play very well until the game he got hurt. And then you have Flacco literally come in from playing like Hot Trash in New York and then just living on the couch and is outperforming what D'Shawn did.

Speaker 3: 31:20

It doesn't make you think anything good is coming this coming season. Like you're not seeing a trajectory for D'Shawn Watson where you're excited about it. You still don't know what he is right. Like you know that Texans D'Shawn is gone right Because he gets two years off, played bad coming back. So now say he's the like okay games that he played right. That's the level that you get. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence because he missed a lot of throws. He played a lot of bad football. So we'll have to see. But adding pieces like that team was stacked anyway. I mean they had two good running backs. You know an awesome defense, a solid O line. They did have some weapons and you still couldn't get it done. Adding another guy. I don't know if it matters.

Speaker 2: 32:17

Crab and I'm not 100% sure if I agree or not.

Speaker 1: 32:22

I know you Crab.

Speaker 2: 32:26

I don't know that I agree, necessarily because I thought Joe Flacco was just all right.

Speaker 3: 32:30

I didn't say he lit it up, I'm saying he was better.

Speaker 2: 32:33

Well, hear me out. I'm not sure. I'm not 100% sure how much better Joe Flacco truly was. I think Joe Flacco got graded on a curve because Joe Flacco was coming off the practice squad.

Speaker 3: 32:44

So let me clarify what I meant. So I'm not saying he was like ripping the cover off the ball here. What I'm saying is he was as good, if not better, than a guy that had been there all off season, preseason and into the year. Then he was not playing football and then just coming in and playing that's where I have the issue right Like had he been on a roster the whole time and whatever be like okay, you know whatever, but this guy literally went from not playing with the Jets to not playing at all and was playing as good, if not better, than what Deshaun was, with an entire off season and everything to get there. That's where the worry comes from.

Speaker 2: 33:29

So this is the interesting part for me, because I don't think Watson has played well. Also and I've said that from the time that they traded for him in the preseason because that first preseason he played against the Jaguar so I watched a boatload of tape up and I'm like I don't think he's going to be like and I said it then Travis D Holmes on Twitter you can go and find the tweets. I said it then I'm like I don't think he's going to be good. And then I watched the Jaguars play against him in the preseason. I'm like this dude's not going to be good and from that point on he pretty much hadn't been good. So I'm on record saying I don't believe he's going to be good or be Houston Texan Deshaun Watson. He's not been close. However, I also don't think he's been as bad as everyone's saying he is because of you know, those off the field tens of issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those off the field escapades. That's a good one.

Speaker 2: 34:23

Yes, I'm not going, I'm just talking about what he's doing on the field. What he's doing on the field was probably on par with what Flacco was doing. To your point, they shouldn't be on par with that contract, but that was what it was. So I'm not going to down him like again, solid games, not blowing everything away, but they can have winning football based just based on what he did. And Flacco got graded on the curve again because his defense basically saved him. That offense was was terrible, the offense was terrible and there was a lot of bad throws mixed in with just basic catches and you know the dude's getting yak and just kind of making it happen from there.

Speaker 3: 35:01

His touchdown interception ratio wasn't good Right, so I know me that I think he was awesome.

Speaker 2: 35:07

But he did, but he got the job done and so you know Cleveland loves him. I get that. So, overall, I think that is going to be a solid team because they're always going to have that great defense, that top five, the top seven defense. They're going to have that top seven to top 10 running game get nearly guaranteed and it's going to come down at the shot and watching, just basically not turning the ball over, if he can just play. Joe Flacco, protect the football. I mean, that's what Joe Flacco is known for. They just protect the football. Don't screw this up and let the rest of the team win. Cool, you're probably going to be all right. So they're already. They're going to be 500 and better, just based on that.

Speaker 1: 35:42

I hope the whole job is healthy.

Speaker 2: 35:44

Man, the shot was and you get one or two. You know one to two plays out of each game and you're probably going to win one or two more games just based on that. Like you should be over 500 and fighting for a playoff spot already.

Speaker 1: 35:56

In fairness, both of these quarterbacks were out of commission for different reasons, so we got to expect that one, Somebody, somebody was injured for a while and and basically the NFL version of can't get right. So it was. It was a. That's different than being on a couch, you know killing because you know don't have nothing else to do. It's not not really the same.

Speaker 1: 36:17

But I don't know, man, I. And to your point about the running game, I don't know how much you guys like your own forward. I'm not. I don't know where I met with this.

Speaker 1: 36:30

We need chubb If you would have a real chance of doing something to healthy chubb throughout the season. They got the on tape for me because I think they already knew that chubb might not come into the season 100 percent because of his injury. That's why they got four men coming in. So that why Judy came over. I guess they felt it needed to somebody to bookmark a Mari Cooper, which is my question about that. But I don't think we have the time to kind of get into it. But I'm kind of just wondering who you guys think he is. But you might take too long answering that question. I don't want to ask, but I mean we might need to move on over that one. But free agency wise, we kind of in the post-free agency Now they have an annual meeting and started them yesterday, so we're talking about next week.

Speaker 1: 37:13

Next week we're talking about more of the rule changes and also the on the table Out of all that you saw are there about. Are there two teams with a name right now between both of you, Herb and Raj please chime in on the comment section two as well. Two teams that you felt like these are really good things. What they did had things went, impact their season. There's two things on two teams that were. I mean, you can go ahead and go Jaguar. I know you're going to do that.

Speaker 2: 37:41

You already know I got to go Jaguar, even if I don't necessarily, I don't blame you.

Speaker 1: 37:44

You know why you got three guys. I can't believe it, but the good matters impact your team in a positive way. You got to do it, brother, so I don't blame you.

Speaker 2: 37:51

All right, so I'll leave them.

Speaker 1: 37:53

I'll leave them for the second.

Speaker 2: 37:54

But for the first team I got to go with the Atlanta Falcons. Right, they signed Kirk Cousins, they signed Darnell Mooney. They already had a good running game, offensive line promising tight end. We knew that the Arthur Smith I don't know destruction tour was finally put to an end.

Speaker 2: 38:15

So now I expect their defense to take a step back, though. I mean they lost Ryan Nelson to Jacksonville and they were primarily, or nearly exclusively, a man coverage team whether it's a match zone, but that's still basically man. I have to assume they're going to run more straight zone under Raheem Morris and Jimmy Lake, because that's what they did with the Rams. So that might be a rough, rough transition that most people think about, unless they truly do something they don't, they're not used to, and going and continuing to play man. I just don't see that happening, based on, you know, what they did in Los Angeles. So outside of that, but offensively, I think that it's got to be Atlanta just finally getting a quarterback.

Speaker 2: 38:54

After the last two years They've been trying so hard to and obviously I got to. I got to go over Jaguars, even if I don't agree with that. That's necessarily true. But the bringing in well, bringing in Mitch Morris from Buffalo over Luke Fortnall, who was the Jaguars center, is going to do so much to all the Travis ETN fantasy stock that's out there like to the moon, because they just could not run between the tackles all of last year and it was even a problem going back to portions of 2022, like Travis ETN hitting, getting hit behind the line like his one yard carries were even then. So we all knew that Well and until the season, hoping that Luke Fortnall was getting better, he didn't. They brought Mitch Morrison what's great, because the bills were ridiculously successful. Running behind Morris Absolutely they 4.8 yards to carry.

Speaker 1: 39:44

Running right behind the center Right now, that was a fine right there.

Speaker 2: 39:48

Cool yeah, so I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1: 39:50

He doesn't know. You got from Buffalo.

Speaker 2: 39:51

Yeah. And then we got the other guy, you know, mr UCF, gabe Davis. So you know I'm a UCF well for football player. So you bring a UCL player. I'm already, I am, I am. I am so biased I don't even care, I don't even care, I don't have to pretend I'm not. So I'm a Jaguars. I'm a Jaguars you know fan, but also I cover the team and I'm a former UCF student and football player. Are you bringing yeah, I'm here for it, I will. I will give him all the excuses for all the drop passes, I don't even care.

Speaker 2: 40:21

And this season it is what it is, everybody needs to know Gabe Davis. Bring him in from Buffalo. You bring Mitch Morrison from Buffalo also and you bring in Arik Armstead from San Francisco, one of the probably the best free agent addition that Trent Baughy Jaguars GM has ever made, and I don't say that lightly, like I think all of Jaguars media is in agreement that this is probably his best free agent edition. Point blank period. I like the offensive line short the defensive line and bring it in a contested catch guy who is able to block and allow your running back to get to the edges more often. Bro, big running back is great, again I am here for it.

Speaker 1: 41:03

I like all three of them, bro. They did great. Those two guys are going to be a big help. I know how you feel about Trevor Lawrence, but we can.

Speaker 2: 41:16

I just don't give him all the passes that everybody else does. It's not that I like Trevor to be clear. I like his Everyone accountable, because I'm not a fan. I watch film, I break down film. I am a former player. I might not be an NFL player, but no, I. I have high expectations and I'm not gonna give you a pass because you have a bad play call or bad coach when you have audible authority at the line of scrimmage. Come on, man, do better.

Speaker 3: 41:41

Well, and I don't care.

Speaker 1: 41:50

My Joneses backup. Would you rather have him?

Speaker 2: 41:54

You know, you know dawg on. Well, let's say, Sam, would you really?

Speaker 1: 41:58

like I don't know that. No, no, I know what I wouldn't do. I'm not. I don't know what you Do. You like Mac Jones, you think it was a good idea.

Speaker 2: 42:04

You like him. He's better than CJ. Better in my opinion, probably especially running a new, simpler offense with an actual offensive coordinator calling plays.

Speaker 1: 42:13

I can. I wasn't my question though he's not.

Speaker 2: 42:16

That's not the competition, though the competition is not between Trevor Lawrence and Mac Jones. The competition is between the backup CJ better than Matt Jones. So what you're asking me isn't that isn't the real question CJ back. As long as long as it's put down well yeah, I feel better about back Jones and I feel about CJ better. Same question.

Speaker 1: 42:40

Come on, baby, what you got brother.

Speaker 3: 42:46

You on Atlanta, like I like them finally getting competent quarterback play. They got a new coach who's gonna remember a Bijon is on the roster. Like I feel like this is gonna go the right direction. They're in a division that isn't strong so I feel like they can you know they'll be a playoff team like that. That's what. That's the way that looks.

Speaker 3: 43:08

The other one I really like the addition of Henry to the Ravens. That For a team that already led the league in rushing last year, despite the fact that they decided they just didn't want to do that in the playoffs for some reason. But that that's not a team issue, that's a coaching problem. But I like that addition of Henry there because I can't imagine being a Corner and you got a pick On a on an option route. If you're gonna go try and end your career tackling Henry or or chase Lamar, like that is gonna be, that's gonna be a scary combo and you know as much as people bag on Lamar. His Passing accuracy has come a long way from when he came into the league, so he is an efficient passer at this point. So I mean, even if you get that run game blocked up, he can throw the ball. So it's that's gonna be a fun team to watch. I.

Speaker 1: 44:11

Love it All right. So I'm giving a kind of concede that herb and wild to get there. But they Three people, it's all good. Yeah, it's all good. So could hold more than three people. We try that. We've been on shows method the previous been on show where they had like 10 people on this. It's not a bit All right. So Well, I've already shared that With you guys both.

Speaker 1: 44:46

But I like the Texans and what they did. I Was pounding table for them all All last year, not because I'm a Texans fan and they got no ties. You can see I've got a cousin out there, that's, that's pretty much it, but I just love what they were doing a little bit. Um, what culture doing out there? And they went ahead and and added Daniel Hunter to the squad. It's like, okay, pass was just not gonna hurt them, that's, that's going to be definitely helpful. And they added Joe mixing.

Speaker 1: 45:18

Now it's not a name you hear a lot, unless you play fantasy football. You don't hear a lot about him. You just go up there and just does the job. You know, it's kind of a, it's kind of low key, but it's effective. And no, I don't know if Texans one thing, they'll to be a wide receiver or one in back or keep on doing this hybrid thing they were doing. But having mixed in there, they blotter some things for them.

Speaker 1: 45:42

Back then I think CJ shroud was Shearing when he when he heard it, when he heard the news, I'm sure he was very, very happy. So they got some heck with some main knees, cover both sides of the ball. I'm not signing them both. I like what's going on. What does that mean for the division? Too early to start going that route? But they put themselves on a good spot Based on where they were from last year.

Speaker 1: 46:09

This is an easy one. But the chiefs and Chris Jones we talked about a couple of weeks ago, it's like man, you guys already got a wealth of riches for the most part. Anyway, that would mean why receivers do definitely a knee there, or I'm I'm not sure that a Hollywood Brown fixes what I was seeing, but that's my personal opinion. That's just one, one person with two eyes. You guys got eyes of your own, but it Don't know, it kind of feel like they already had some stuff like that already. I mean, I like why she likes a lot. I love to see him develop more.

Speaker 1: 46:44

But uh, the Chris Jones ad that was. That was a big deal because we saw what happened when he was out. Look at the, look at the number, look at, look at the teams defensive, defensive efficiency you can see Chris Jones makes it makes a difference on that team so it was good to get him locked in so there's no problem to him thinking about his contract, pbd on the Marquis Brown part of it. But I mean that's just a couple. I mean we're kind of limited on time but there's plenty more I can talk about. But Anything, as you guys seen this real quick before we move on.

Speaker 2: 47:15

I mean the best team got better. I mean they lost the Snead, but they're probably going to be able to make that up in In the draft more likely than not, because they were already a really young secondary anyways. I yeah, that's not great For the rest of the NFL when they had their worst offseason and they bring in Hollywood Brown, they probably will grab a corner and a wide receiver in this deep draft. I don't feel great about that from any other NFL team.

Speaker 1: 47:42

So yeah, yeah, I Love for somebody to come inside here and make a make, a make, a fight out of it. I thought the Nines are gonna do that, but they but they're bread and butter. It's like you know what it's been working for 17-18 games. Let's try something different on the biggest stage and not run the ball. So I'm just kind of trying to see and stuff like that, because it Lends credence to the people who believe the NFL is rigged. I was talking about it just past weekend, even if you don't think it's rigged. That's not really the point. The people who are talking like that, this kind of stuff doesn't help. Yes, it's a notch on their board when that kind of stuff happens.

Speaker 1: 48:20

He's got been dominating via the run. Like I said, 17-18 game. You go to the biggest stage of them all, where the one was working early on in the first half, having to chase on the sidelines fighting each other, pushing and shoving, and Kirsten needs to allow had a more, nor ropes until halftime and you come out of the half and you decide you ain't going to run no more Really. So it lends credence to the idea. You know what? Something is kind of fishy, but I hope to your point, brad that this is not a thing and there's somebody in my head and you know, put some fight to them. I mean the blueprints right there. They kind of showed you that what to do.

Speaker 2: 48:56

But there's something that could be in the air is simply that people got that lemon booty Like whether it's Lamar with the auto-wills at the line or whether it's the OC somebody got a little tight and started doing something that was out of character. I mean, that's not something that anyone is foreign to. If you play sports, you know what I'm talking about. You hit that free throw line somebody who's a 95% free throw shooter and all of a sudden the booty cheeks get a little too tight and all of a sudden it's off the side of the rim. That's all I'm saying is these things happen. You make bad decisions when you're under anxiety. I don't know what to tell you, but I'm sure they went back and was like now you got to keep your calm, you got to keep your cool and make the right decisions. It is what it is, but even today I don't know if it was the OC versus Lamar, no idea.

Speaker 3: 49:44

If you think he was checking out everything, I mean it's possible.

Speaker 2: 49:47

That's the old Jay Cutler situation. That was why I used to hate him. Before I was always Jay Cutler and dang, the old quarterback for the Saints, used to always do the same thing. Not Drew Brees, but the more recent one, derek Carr, used to always do the same thing and I used to be pissed because you can see that the line I'm like he's checking out everything. There's no way that a run wasn't called in that situation. That's why I say I don't even know if it was the OC or Lamar, but somebody was out of character in that game in the second half and that sucked yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:16

So we're about 10 minutes out and it looks like Herb and Roger. I hope your guys are alright. Man, this is uncharacteristic. I want to just take a few minutes or a little bit to kind of touch on the best landing spot for the freezes in the left. There's no way we're getting this done today, so we're going to definitely touch on it within the next couple of weeks too, because I think I've seen many guys out there. I think my last count I had like about 10 that I thought were relevant to still more outside of that, but just on top of your head, just one and your reasoning for it, one remaining free agent and where you think they should go. So we kind of play in fantasy a little bit, but I think it'd be fun what you guys thinking. You want to have a short list of the free agents or do you?

Speaker 1: 51:05

I mean.

Speaker 3: 51:05

I'll do one. It's a little bit of a Homer pick.

Speaker 1: 51:11

I remember that is great.

Speaker 3: 51:13

Quandre Diggs is still a free agent and that's a surprise for a multiple time pro bowler who was good in the Seattle defense. You know, as it sits right now, seattle still needs a safety right. Yes, sir.

Speaker 3: 51:31

But there's a lot of teams that need a safety and he is fast, he plays well, you know, in kind of a zone hybrid defense. So I mean I was surprised that he hasn't been picked up yet, and not even necessarily to the Seahawks, but he just happens to be a good safety and so that one. I was a little bit surprised to see him still still in waiting. I mean, there's definitely players out there like Jadavi and Clowney. That's not a shock that he's still floating around because he's so inconsistent when it comes to gameplay.

Speaker 3: 52:06

You know, it's why he's bounced around the league. Like you when he was coming into the league, you're like, ok, this guy might tear something up, but just for whatever reason he, his numbers have never supported what he looked like he was going to be coming in. So him still being kind of on the on the sidelines a little bit does make sense. I feel like he's going to be one of those guys that gets picked up as the year starts. But but yeah, digs, digs. I was surprised. I thought someone would have picked him up, especially because Seattle's still paying him anyway. Right, they cut him with a decent cap hit, so any team should, in theory, be able to pick him up relatively cheap because he's getting paid by the Seahawks anyway.

Speaker 1: 52:46

Yeah, I'm wondering if it has anything to do with, just maybe, the age. I mean, I know, I know, I know he's 31. I'd love to see him with Indy, I mean, because they don't have, they don't, they don't have a solid, they don't have a solid safety back there and they got solid, meaning just accomplished as far as experiencing time in the game. So they got a young secondary back there. I think he'd be a great mentor to him. I don't think it will cost you, it don't. I don't think it will cost you, I don't even cost you more than three and 33 to bring somebody like him in over there. I think that'd be a really good spot for him. I mean, they need to experience back there. I think he would bring it. So I'm kind of shocked by that as well. I think I think maybe him being 31 is playing a part in this, because I don't, I mean we watched him in Seattle. I mean he was, he was helpful.

Speaker 1: 53:42

Yeah he was good.

Speaker 3: 53:44

He was a cap casualty in Seattle. It's not like his gameplay dropped, he was just doing expensive form stay with what they had. So, but the fact that they're still going to pay for, you know, I think they still owe him like 13 for this year anyway.

Speaker 1: 53:59

So, another.

Speaker 3: 54:00

Another team should, in theory, be able to get him relatively cheap.

Speaker 1: 54:04

All right Good, try real quick.

Speaker 2: 54:07

No, I'm probably going with somebody like Xavier and Howard going to Kansas City after losing Snead. I think that will be a solid you know, a solid addition that wouldn't break the bank Like he's not. He's not going to be anywhere close to Snead's money as far as that's concerned because of his age, so I think that would be a much easier, I guess, waiting for them to cover that whole and then be able to do whatever they want to do. As far as the draft is concerned, you know, draft and develop. Outside of that, probably somebody like either Justin Simmons going to Buffalo or maybe Jadaven and Clowney, after the draft, going to Jacksonville.

Speaker 3: 54:41

Buffalo. Oh okay, Clowney to Jacksonville. Like Clowney's good. If he's not the centerpiece. Like if he is an additional piece, he's okay. Like if he's got to be that dude, he's just not consistently that dude.

Speaker 2: 54:59

No, I fully understand, but that's what you need. You need a third guy. Maybe you can push Trevon Walker inside and now, all of a sudden, you only you only got to give him 60% snaps and keep him fresh all season. But that's a sales pitch you're going to have to make to him, because the Jaguars failed at that same sales pitch last year, when they had a chance to sign in before he signed elsewhere.

Speaker 3: 55:18

But why did you?

Speaker 2: 55:19

disagree. Come on, why did you?

Speaker 1: 55:20

disagree. I don't want to. Well, I feel like Buffalo and this is more of the competition that we would have had if we had more time about the championship window closer.

Speaker 2: 55:31

I don't want him to go over there, that's funny, that was my answer for championship windows closing Buffalo Mine too.

Speaker 1: 55:42

That was my. That was my. That was keeping him in the room to go to the Eagles. I don't want that either. Obviously I look in the colors to me like the money thing ain't working right now. We're going to cut some people to get sinners in there, but he's like he just sitting, like it's like it's just this rare gold coin. He's just sitting there. Anybody stand like, oh man, that's so shiny. Nobody's going like, oh man, he'll help you. But Chad said I'm so, we're my. Still is the sound teleboard. All right, brother, you keep waiting on that. Urban Ross said not a creation, but I want to see what happened with he Higgins yeah, that's, that's a. We ain't got no time.

Speaker 2: 56:17

But her Come on, come on Last time.

Speaker 3: 56:22

Now the Buffalo thing their their window closing is Indiana Jones reaching back through door for his hat. Like it, there's still a chance. But man it, it's small.

Speaker 2: 56:34

I said that window in closing. I said that windows close and the mutant called Pat Mahomes has effectively closed that window and they wasted that way Josh Allen's whole first brick of contract and now they have to have a real money and it's full alert.

Speaker 1: 56:46

It is closed. We're going to talk about next week. It is closed. I mean you can't. You can't say it's not how many bites that we think you're going to get. It is close.

Speaker 3: 56:58

How many bites of the apple did they take?

Speaker 2: 57:01

It didn't get anywhere, I know that's the point that you didn't get anywhere when you had, when you had your version of the mutant on a rookie contract, and now you're going to get better because you have to pay him five times his original cost. No, but they had a game, or yeah?

Speaker 3: 57:16

Well, I thought, I thought this last year was going to be their, their last, like true year, and then they played super inconsistent. But because they have a mutant, there's always that small chance, right? Because at the end of the day you've got to go on a four game run as long as you get in the show, right? And is Josh Allen good enough to do that? Sure, does he have a little bit too much. Brett farve where he's going to turn the ball over in one of those games, probably, but but you can't rule them out, right, is there? There are those, there are those guys that will get it. You know, hot for a few games at the, you know, at the end of the year, at the right time.

Speaker 1: 57:56

Yeah, they have to eat is going to be interesting, that's for sure. Like we can talk about the jets, because as far as most people are concerned, it seems like when I just come back they're going to run it. Sure, yeah, we'll see. Often they go one of the top guys I know it was money related, but, man, you want to lose my, like Wilkins. So it's like you got all these things in in play and then you got the pets who are I don't know what they're going to do. They rebuilding in the, in the, in the best sense of the word. So there's opportunities there.

Speaker 1: 58:31

I'm telling you how the building been did what they did. They were material the entire season. I'm talking about up down. I mean it was like a roller coaster ride, man. I mean what? They play a team they should demolish and they would get blitzed. And they play a team that they shouldn't know that there should be a challenging and then they'll, they'll win that game. I'm like I don't, I don't know who they are, so doesn't seem to be getting any better. You lose main guys. I'm watching digs the whole time. Like he knows something that we don't know.

Speaker 2: 59:02

He's seen something that last season, man Buffalo was Bitcoin. Like you don't know where they're going to land. They all over the place, they to the moon. That's it all year, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 59:12

So we'll see, but I'm not. I want to get on Justin Simmons. That's just a waste. He's wasting time Because next year these probably ain't going to be there and, as a matter of fact, I'm not even sure who's even back there. I got to go look and see, but, sorry, I'm not know who's even back there. I'm not sure, I don't know. I'm not sure you ain't going to be happy Going in for the next one three foot. Just don't even do it. Go somewhere else. These guys like having a bowl. They're very eloquently to the windows close, and I'm in agreement with that man. So here we go, all right, so we had the end of the show man, let everybody know where they can find you guys and we'll shut it down On you both.

Speaker 3: 59:56

Oh so we'll be back with that football dash talk and Roku TV five days a week.

Speaker 1: 1:00:03

Let's go, baby.

Speaker 2: 1:00:04

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