Unpacking the Drama of Angel Hernandez, the Oakland-Las Vegas-Sacramento Ahtletics, and our NFL Draft Review

Ever wondered what keeps sports aficionados on the edge of their seats? This week's All Purpose Pod serves up a smorgasbord of sports talk that's sure to satisfy your hunger. We're joined by Travis D from Big Cat Country, and together, we're tossing the challenge flag on umpire Angel Hernandez's infamous strike zone. It's a deep dive into the world of baseball where every call can change the game, and we're not shying away from the tough conversations about performance and accountability that come with it.

So are the Athletics moving to Las Vegas in 2027 or it is 2028? Are they moving to Sacramento first? Or are they staying in Oakland with a new stadium deal?

Shift into gear with us as we navigate the complexities of annual driver's license renewals for senior drivers, linking the debate to the broader issues of job performance and public safety. But it's not all serious business – we're also revving up for the NFL draft, laying out some bold predictions and drafting strategies. Our expert analysis might just give you an edge in your fantasy league or turn you into the most informed fan at your next tailgate.

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Speaker 1: 0:50

Thank you, Welcome back to the All Purpose Pod for an all-purpose life, wherever you are and however you're here, and they call me Mr U we thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week. We're your weekly mirror check before you change the world, baby. We got Raj and Herb in the house. We got Travis D home, big cat country Joining us again this week. Football Talk with Bo is out on assignment again. I brought a nice beat somewhere Jason Sunsets making us look bad. You know that stuff he be doing how you guys doing this morning.

Speaker 3: 1:23

Just waiting on my chance to be sent out on assignment, like Sent out.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Let's clarify I can't send him out, you guys can go on assignment if you want to. He goes on assignment a lot and I'm like that's just, but I have a challenge. So I got assignments, I'm going on assignment. We got the next. I got to do me a little assignments. I'm going on an assignment and we got the next. I got to do me a little assignment. There you go. Congratulations. Your turn is coming. Herb, it's coming. Stay on the assignment. I know you got plenty of assignments in his situation.

Speaker 2: 2:00

Oh, I stay on the assignment. I sign myself, or my wife assigns me stuff. Yeah, that's about it.

Speaker 1: 2:06

There you go. Oh, look at this. Good morning West Coast. Yeah, Bo's on assignment. Are you going to still watch the show because Bo's not here, or will?

Speaker 3: 2:16

you be okay.

Speaker 1: 2:17

Can we still possibly entertain you while Bo's not here? He sends his love. He'll be back next week. Thanks, west Coast, for joining us. We appreciate you always every week. Oh, look at this, you all deserve assignments of travel. You got that right. I've been doing it since Costa Rica, costa Rica.

Speaker 2: 2:35

Costa Rica.

Speaker 1: 2:40

I'll be in your neck of the woods, close to you, trav. I'll be in Panama City Beach.

Speaker 2: 2:45

Nice, close to you, trav, I'll be in Panama City Beach.

Speaker 1: 2:47

Nice, some beach, some jazz. I'm going to have me a good time. Nice.

Speaker 3: 2:54

We are going to Dallas this week to see Raj for his birthday, but that's as close as taking pictures right. Doing pictures and videos. I want to see this and be back in time for Monday morning.

Speaker 1: 3:09

I wasn't going to ask, I was just hoping. Don't let me down, that's the need, all right? Well, a lot going on. I want to really jump into a lot more of the NFL draft stuff, because next week is going to be all NFL draft. I have to because of scheduling and stuff, so we're going to just hit it hard next week. But I want to jump into a little bit of baseball.

Speaker 1: 3:37

We have a lot of fans that are still listening. They want to hear about baseball stuff. This is not something that's going to blow you guys' minds. It's not going to be about game by game coverage, none of that kind of stuff. It's just baseball related stuff. All right, good morning, molly. Her board's not even here and she's here still supporting us. Thank you, molly. We love you so much. Thanks for joining us and hope you're having a great day out there where you are All right.

Speaker 1: 3:59

So you guys, the name Angel Hernandez. Basically in any place that has a baseball park, his name is being burned effigy. Ok, he's been around since the 1990s. He's not a newbie at all. He's not some guy that doesn't know what he's doing per se. I want to read a whole bunch of stats off to you and tell you about his, his, his ratio or strikes and balls. I ain't going to do any of that. I would just show you what everybody's so mad about in a nice little snippet. Hang with me here. We're doing technical stuff, so you know how that can be sometimes. Hang on in there. I'm going to show you this real quick so you can see what everybody's so upset about. Hold on, can you see that?

Speaker 3: 4:40

And on top of it, the hardest hit ball of his big league career. And now he's finding out about Angel Hernandez. That wasn't even close. It's called a strike. Wow, that's not contact, oh my goodness Angel Angel. Oh my goodness, Angel Blake. So he gets the call. It's a 2-1 Braves third inning Tyra Estrada Wow.

Speaker 1: 5:19

That is a wide strike zone. Long days.

Speaker 2: 5:22

I feel, much shorter and a lot more fun. That's not even close. What is happening.

Speaker 1: 5:32

Again. This is all you cannot miss this match, the brain hitter misses.

Speaker 2: 5:41

Was that a strike oh my God, oh my god, that's.

Speaker 1: 5:52

Lord.

Speaker 2: 5:55

That one is not Trying to hold up his swing, hey.

Speaker 1: 6:02

He was killing us with the Yankee one.

Speaker 3: 6:08

That had every bit of the play. I wonder if he just had his eyes closed though.

Speaker 1: 6:14

I don't even know where he put it. I was hoping he wouldn't show the Yankee ones in the video, but he showed about five or six of those. It was like I need to go up to the stage. I got to stop there. I can't say no more. That's enough. You guys can see it. Like I said, he has a long history of this. It's not against any team. Like Scott Foster, the referee from the NBA, he's in a game with Chris Paul. He gives them a business. This is everybody's equally getting screwed. To the referee from the NBA. He's in a game with Chris Paul. He gives him a business. This is everybody's equally getting screwed. So it doesn't matter what the team is or where they're playing. His accuracy, I guess, is the same. His tracking of missed calls it's still the same. And it's like why does this happen? Boa said he'd have a long list of things to say about him because everybody that has any kind of baseball love in him grimaces every time he comes to the part of any game.

Speaker 2: 7:15

So I enjoyed looking up information on this one, because there's a there's a site that's umpire scorecards, that they kind of rack up what the different refs said, they have any biases, et cetera, et cetera, and he has 6.3 fewer correct calls per game than the average umpire. So I'm like that's pretty stark. That's pretty big overall but at the end of the day, so he's very bad at his job. That's the best that we can go with. He's just bad at his job. That's the best that we can go with. He's just bad at his job.

Speaker 2: 7:46

What do they call a doctor with a C average? A doctor? You don't know what these guys are. Unfortunately, he's just a bad one of his profession and probably shouldn't be gone. I'm assuming that they have a union of some sort. That's kind of watching this and hopefully the MLB does something with it. I don't know if they would demote them to another, you know, aaa or something along those lines, but that's rough. That's rough to watch and this has already been something that people have been talking about for a long time. So it's not news, but it's getting worse.

Speaker 1: 8:25

According to what they say, according to their rules. Okay, you're talking, Kirby, I can't hear you. We can't hear you. Brother, he's muted. Kirby, you with us? You got something to say?

Speaker 2: 8:42

He's moving. Still can't hear him.

Speaker 1: 8:46

I'm going to let you autocorrect and then we'll go ahead and come back to you. All right, but they have some kind of rule, I guess, where if they make too many egregious mistakes, they kind of pull them out of certain games. They're not allowed to be crew chief, that kind of stuff. As a matter of fact. I'm starting to wonder now if there is a reason why this is happening, Because everybody can say ineptitude and kind of point toward that. I'm on the conspiracy theorist side with this one.

Speaker 1: 9:15

I feel like this is something more to this than just that. So I did a little bit of digging, because that's kind of what I do, and there was a lawsuit that happened three years ago. Three years ago in March it was a racial discrimination lawsuit and he was a big part of that. He lost it against MLB and he said he was discriminated against because he wasn't able to be assigned to a World Series since 2005, I guess it was and was never made a crew chief. So it feels like a lot of what we're seeing is lining up with that same time period. I feel like he knows that he can be demoted and, like you said, he can be moved around, but he can't be bumped after one infraction. It has to be a proponent of things happening.

Speaker 2: 10:04

I think he's sticking it to the baseball Because he's Cuban-American and he knows he can't with this previous lawsuit. He knows he essentially can't truly be demoted. He's just going to milk it, do the least adequate job that he can do and just milk this thing as long as he can.

Speaker 1: 10:23

He's getting paid. Nothing's really changing, hey he's still working.

Speaker 1: 10:27

He's working games and I'm trying to work on prominent games. He's not working. I can't name a team right now because a lot of teams I would I would name they're doing good this year as opposed to last year. So I can't really name you know, but take the two worst teams you can think of. He's not working those games. He, he's working prominent games. So I'm like there's got to be something about this that's more personal, because you can't be that blind. There's nothing wrong with your eyes. You've been doing this since the 90s, you can see. So it's like what we just saw in that video. You had to not be able to call balls and strikes the way you did. So it's like. So it's like it gotta be even more but that sounds like an assumption.

Speaker 2: 11:04

All of that is an assumption. Again, this is a guy who's well, let hear me out on this. So this is a person. So this is a person. Yeah, actually this is a person who is over 60 years old, and that's me not being ageist, that's being being objective medical person. Like, just hey, you're over 60. I always had the thought process that anybody 60 plus probably should get their driver's license renewed every year, because this has been my longtime opinion Like, over a certain age, you should always have to automatically have that renewed every year. Like you're making the assumption that this dude, like let's start there You're making the assumption that this dude's eyes are well, like and I don't know that.

Speaker 1: 11:40

This is his job. He has to have checkups and stuff, right. He has to pass evaluations. No, All right.

Speaker 2: 11:47

Do they? Is that even the truth? Is that something that they even have to go through? Honestly, I can't say that as an objective fact. I can say that as an assumption, sure, but I mean we all work Can we try it out.

Speaker 2: 11:58

That sounds simple. We all worked with someone at a job who was doing the bare minimum and at whatever anyone listening. Wherever you work, I say hey man, there's this person at my job. They're milking this thing for as long as they possibly can because they know they ain't going nowhere no time soon. And someone immediately comes to your mind. Like you know that co-worker you work with.

Speaker 1: 12:19

You remember?

Speaker 2: 12:19

them and that's all I'm saying. So like if he's doing the bare minimum and he knows that he's in this thing for the long haul, that they can't do a thing and he's milking it. God bless you, Legend at the bank.

Speaker 1: 12:32

That's. I'm with you, working with the state government. This is a real short story. You have people there that were not really competent and they have a union too. They have that same kind of situation. You can't really fire them so easy. It's a lot to get them out of it, but they'll get reassigned to somewhere where they don't have to do as much looking. If there's a problem with their eyes, what do you do in this case? There's no way that, if he has a problem, someone's asking are you okay, can you see, do you know what's going on? If he answered affirmatively, but we still see this guy, they got to check some balances.

Speaker 2: 13:05

I mean, I don't have any evidence of that, but my friend's grandma almost killed somebody on the road like three years ago and they had to take her driver's license and the keys, both things. So after the state took a driver's license like two years before that, then his family had to take her keys eventually on multiple occasions because she still almost killed somebody multiple times because she continued to drive to the store, couldn't even tell you that an accident happened. My overall point is hey, man, you could ask this dude, can he see all day? That don't mean that I ain't doing this just because you asked me yeah, I can do this, I got this.

Speaker 1: 13:38

I don't mean an evaluation, I don't mean an accident, you're going to lie. I'm talking about evaluation. In order for you to maintain your position in this job, you must be able to see my hand in front of your face. I mean whatever, whatever, the evaluation process. You agree, herb, herb, what you got, brother.

Speaker 3: 13:59

Well, I don't know. First off, can everybody even hear me Grimlins in the machine? It's funny with the the name angel hernandez. I don't even watch baseball and I've heard the name. That's how bad you have to be at your job for me to hear the name of an umpire in a sport I'm not even watching. So before I even saw the highlights, I already knew this and I was like that's just terrible and I'm with y'all. Like my wife thinks the exact same thing as you travis that uh 60, there should be some checks and balances as far as your driver's license. But it's almost like baseball's embraced Angel Hernandez as a sideshow and they're just like eh let's just keep trotting him out here.

Speaker 3: 14:36

You know that it's going to be bad for everybody all day, but maybe more people will watch to watch this disaster. So I don't know how people like that keep a job. It's such a high-profile thing. Like I said, God bless him. Man, If he can keep it moving and keep that money going, I can't be mad at him. I'd like to go up there. I bet you he doesn't even have the little clicker in his hand to do balls and strikes. I bet you he just pulls out his cell phone and plays on it for a few minutes and puts it back in and goes to the next one.

Speaker 1: 15:06

You see what he does. You saw it the pitch happens, the ball hits the catcher's glove and what you see happen is a pause. He paused.

Speaker 3: 15:14

Because he wants to see where the catcher caught it at. You pulled it in the air. Oh strike. Good job, buddy Good job.

Speaker 2: 15:25

No, he paused after strike. I'm like, hey man, I'm listening to a podcast.

Speaker 3: 15:27

He's probably listening to you, Mr you, in a podcast in there.

Speaker 2: 15:30

That's why he's not paying any attention. This is probably all your fault.

Speaker 1: 15:36

I certainly hope not All people are hurt. He's killed us in many a game.

Speaker 3: 15:41

No, Mr, you said I could change the world. Oh what you guys say. Oh strike or.

Speaker 2: 15:48

You got this earpiece in listening to a podcast while the game's going on.

Speaker 1: 15:52

You are not going to put this on me.

Speaker 2: 15:55

Dude listening to the Budweiser, Not the Budweiser, the Buffalo Wild Wings people. All right, let's keep this thing going. Let's wrap it up.

Speaker 3: 16:02

See, now it makes more sense, though, right.

Speaker 1: 16:05

Yeah, no, I don't think he should be there anymore. I wonder if I'd lose their job. But he didn't lose his job. But before we get to Las Vegas in the A's which is the craziest situation in baseball, perhaps shout-outs to the folks joining us on Football Talk with Bo. Good morning from the road Drive. Safe out there, brother. We miss you, man. One half of the Herb and Raj podcast every Tuesday evening at 9pm EST on your YouTube channel, the Herb and Raj podcast. Good morning, sir. Roll tide, I said Herb is on mute, I know. Oh yeah, I want to be at the party, man.

Speaker 3: 16:46

I'm going to miss that party. Are you going to be in Dallas Saturday night?

Speaker 1: 16:51

I don't like jealous, just on principle.

Speaker 3: 16:56

But Raj did Met JT this weekend and hung out with him at 8-8 game, so that was a fun time. Oh, man.

Speaker 1: 17:04

I want to hear about that right after we get done with this nonsense that's going on with the Oakland Athletics. Well, the short story is there's no sound for this or anything. The short story is that the owner, mr Fisher himself worth about $2.5 billion he wants to move the team. He tried multiple times to get a stadium in Oakland and I guess it didn't work out or he didn't find anything to his liking. So he's been trying to move the team for a while. The fans are basically having a strike every time there's a home game outside the stadium Still the team. Matter of fact, whenever the A's play somebody in an away game, the fans are shouting still the team. They're not A's fans and they're saying sell the team. So this is becoming a national sell the team movement.

Speaker 1: 17:52

So they tried to move to Las Vegas. They had some stuff planned out for, I think, 2027 to get inside. They have a new stadium built, I guess an old casino and hotel, tropicana in Vegas, trying to have a new stadium built. They're going to tear Tropicana down anyway because it was old, so they're going to put up something new and they're going to put a stadium there in its place for the A's. Theoretically right. So that's kind of falling through right now. It's kind of shaky. So in the interim they're going to move to Sacramento.

Speaker 1: 18:22

The Las Vegas people are saying you know what? I recommend you stay in Oakland and try to work it out. That's how dire the idea of moving to Las Vegas is. So the people in Las Vegas are saying you know what, maybe you shouldn't come here, stay there where you are and work that thing out. Ideally, that is the best route, but it doesn't seem that the ownership wants to do that. They got a fan base that's rabid that want to be there. They're bringing in a WNBA team in 2025 to San Francisco, which is not far from Oakland. My dad used to live in the San Francisco area. He was alive Not far from there. They got a couple of soccer team and they got a minor league baseball team, I think, in the Oakland area. So they got fans that want sports. So it could work it out if you really tried hard enough, I guess. But for some reason he doesn't want to do that. So that's kind of where we are.

Speaker 1: 19:11

What do you guys think from what you know, what you see in this? This is a nightmare scenario because it's kind of like moving out of your house and not having anywhere to go and you sell your house. You and you sell your house. You can't go back to your house because you don't have you get it. It's like you plan to kind of step up before you leave. You make sure you got everything planned so you have somewhere to live before you move out of your house. Bishop's not planning that far ahead. He's putting his eggs, he's putting his chicken horse before the cart, chicken before the eggs.

Speaker 2: 19:43

It sounds like he really wanted to get this thing done, so he got it done one way or another. Hell of high water.

Speaker 1: 19:49

Yeah, high water's here, it's not looking good for 2028. It's not looking good four years from now.

Speaker 3: 20:00

I still never get the whole. We're going to move into another stadium and stay there for a minute until the other one is ready. Like that's just a terrible, terrible idea Like how many fan base are you trying to alienate on the way out? And, to your analogy, it's not just he just moved out the house, he burned the house down before he moved out too, and now nobody wants to be there. So I mean, it's just a ridiculous situation.

Speaker 2: 20:26

You got to have a lot of them ready situation. This is weird. This is a third relocation, though. What's going on? Is it the franchises, that ownership? What is it? I'm not a historian going back talking 60s and 70s, but I know this is their third city. At this point, what's happening with the lack of being able to build that fan base or getting the money agreement that they generally want? I'm not understanding that link.

Speaker 1: 20:52

I mean we can check. I'm not quite sure that Fisher was down in ownership in the 70s. I'm not sure about that one. I mean I watched baseball back then in the 80s but I'm not quite sure Fisher was there. I think they had a different ownership but they don't seem to have the ability to get this right.

Speaker 1: 21:08

If you look at the stadiums and their condition, this is probably one of the worst stadiums. I'm talking about bathrooms, concessions. When you mess bathrooms up, man, they're out here for three hours watching games, even before the new pitch count. About three hours out here to watch games. They three hours out here to watch games. They come there early and they usually stay late, take pictures, media that kind of stuff. So they're there for like three hours plus. If your bathroom ain't in good condition, that's a nightmare for a four when they gonna go to the bathroom at. So you got stuff you can be doing to make the stadium better, but they haven't had the desire to do it. I shared this on several shows late last year, I think it was. It feels like they want to try to force their way out, so they purposely didn't fix things. They let things that were dilapidated kind of stay that way, to kind of turn the fans off and keep people out of the stadium, to kind of force the I guess, the owner's hand, I guess to move, and it'd be smooth.

Speaker 3: 22:09

Fisher's been there since 2005,.

Speaker 2: 22:11

by the way, yeah, so you think they didn't want this to happen, they didn't want the team to stay?

Speaker 1: 22:17

Everybody believes that. I mean they weren't fixing it, they weren't upgrading. I mean most stadiums, if you're there, they're going to do an upgrade. If they can, they can upgrade. So they're going to do an upgrade. If they can, they can upgrade. They're going to do that, especially with audio-visual. Most teams do that, these guys. They just decided they weren't going to do it.

Speaker 3: 22:34

They had the money.

Speaker 1: 22:36

The money's there for it. They just wouldn't do it. What they also did and people would know that they didn't want to stay there was they got all of their good players. They sold them off for cheap and brought in guys that played kind of cheap, if you know what I mean and in order to tank their records on and I'm talking about late season tanking, I'm talking about early season tanking, mid season tanking, tanking continuously to bring the value down so they can go ahead and you know and move the team off without you know. But what they don't understand is that you know, even if you do that kind of stuff, coming to a new place, how's that going to look to the new fans?

Speaker 3: 23:14

Yeah, and to your point, like the owners that that took them to the world series three times in a row, when they passed away and the team was sold, the next owners took over and were like, yeah, we're not spending as much. And then Fisher took over and I think he just continued that and I think that's why the success of Oakland hasn't been there for a while. And to what you were asking earlier, I guess Travis, the owners that have been there since their success have just not wanted to spend money and that's why they continued like let's look somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 23:42

I'm like dude, that's three teams they've lost in less than five, six years Like that's crazy. Oakland, that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 23:53

That place wants sports.

Speaker 2: 23:54

Man, they want sports, they might want sports but they don't want to pay for it. You know what I mean. Like I want a 10, but I might not want to put in 10 behavior as a man. I understand it.

Speaker 1: 24:06

I'm not struck and taken there because I don't know, I don't have the attendance in front of me before all this stuff started happening, but I feel like it was pretty good in its heyday in its time. Right, I'm not saying all of Mark McGuire, it was good despite that. People wanted people to play baseball. Baseball was important in that time frame. I don't know what we're talking about right now. I don't blame the fans.

Speaker 2: 24:29

To be clear, I'm not blaming the fans, but obviously they've lost three professional franchises in less than six years. That's a conversation piece, and when it was the Raiders. It was also a stadium conversation. We're having the same conversation, talking about spending money and investing in the teams to keep them there, something that other teams are willing to do. Most times when the NFL team leaves, it is surrounding around the stadium. To your earlier point, that's the conversation piece, and you're in a place like California. That's fair, okay, cool.

Speaker 1: 25:02

Las Vegas, though.

Speaker 2: 25:04

I mean why?

Speaker 1: 25:04

Las.

Speaker 2: 25:05

Vegas. Hey man, las Vegas is shiny.

Speaker 1: 25:07

It's new, it's shiny, it's new, but it's a smaller media market than what Oakland got.

Speaker 2: 25:19

It is a smaller media market, not significantly different than Orlando. Florida and I say that I live on the outskirts of Orlando. No, I live on the outskirts of Orlando, but the reason I use Orlando as the example, because it doesn't matter if you have a smaller media market or you have a smaller population market when you are a market that is historically known for what Visitors that is what you are known for.

Speaker 2: 25:41

So it may not matter if you are a smaller market, as long as you have an influx of people always coming in. That makes it easy for travel, easy for your stadium, easy for the fans, easy for everybody across the board. Cheap flights, $100 flight to go to Las Vegas and watch a football game, hockey game, basketball, etc. Hey man, I understand the pool.

Speaker 3: 25:55

Yeah, you can make a whole weekend out of everything in Vegas and then center it around the football game coming up or the baseball series that weekend. It's a travel destination. So if I can go to Vegas and have my good weekend and catch three games at the same time, I'm good. Are you catching?

Speaker 1: 26:11

some A's games. Are you going to Las Vegas? Are you going to go to today's? I'm saying if I was a fan of that.

Speaker 1: 26:17

Why not I'm saying I'm a die-hard baseball fan of Hawaii, but I'm putting on colors If I'm going die-hard baseball fan of Hawaii, so I'm putting on colors. If I'm going to Vegas, I ain't a gambler so I don't even do that. Just to be fair, I guess I'm kind of boring. If I go to Las Vegas, I'm not going to an A's game, Not on the strength of what we're seeing right now. It's not happening.

Speaker 2: 26:36

I think that's based on you being you, though, and again, 90 percent, no, no, no, hear me out. You are a fanatic, right? You are like. You are truly about this life, and that's what I mean Like, but if you're what?

Speaker 2: 26:50

30 percent, 40 percent, I think I'd be reasonable to say it's like something like that, like a lot of the baseball is surrounded around making sure they get kids involved, making sure that next generation is truly engaged in in, in playing this sport, making sure they can make this an international thing. All these things that they're pushing for and they have historically been pushing for for the last, I don't know, decade plus then lead you to believe that, hey, if I put this team in Las Vegas and I have people that are coming to visit to watch this game just outside of the local area, I'm going to have people coming to watch this game. I'm not necessarily having to advertise it to you, because if you were a fanatic, you're going to be there either way, but if you're not a fanatic, hey, that's when I'll get these other people to come, because the game's there. You already here, baby. Why not come and watch the game? We're out of the street.

Speaker 3: 27:34

And you're right in the middle of the day. You're not taking away from any other things that you were going to at night. One o'clock game in the middle of the afternoon.

Speaker 2: 27:44

You did All your degenerate activities at nighttime. Nobody's taking you away from it.

Speaker 1: 27:48

Yeah, I love you guys' enthusiasm. The optimism is like it's better than this for me this morning. I appreciate it so much. These guys, these A's fans they're out here in front of the stadium protesting every time they got a home game. But do you know what the attendance has been looking like? The attendance, what it's been looking like, I'm talking about, it's not just about them trying to sell the team. They're going out here and they're seeing a really bad product because the team's been gutted. So you can move into Las Vegas all you want to, but you can't take new players with you. That's going to be a process. It's going to be a process.

Speaker 2: 28:26

It's going to take a minute, oh, and it should take a minute, but that seems like that should be purposeful right.

Speaker 1: 28:32

Yeah, I mean it's going to take most of that time, more than half of it. The timeline they originally had the timeline's not going to work. Now you can see that the timeline is just going. It's blown up. It would have took more than half of the timeline to get them to a place where they had a product on the field that people actually want to see. Right now it's busted. I think they got one guy that's really good and I don't think they expect him to be good and he's been, I guess, overachieving. But the rest of it it's a project. You take that to Las Vegas. They already got a project out of these Colorado's, so you know what I'm saying. It's bad, but I mean, I hear what you guys are saying.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Though Las Vegas is Well hear me out from a team building and a management perspective.

Speaker 2: 29:12

Just bear with me.

Speaker 2: 29:13

I'm just putting myself in those shoes just for a sec If I stuff in those shoes just for a sec, if I'm moving a team from one city to the other of where I'm playing, legitimately, half of my games, and these guys signed up to be here, to play here.

Speaker 2: 29:24

They bought houses, they built lives etc, etc to be here, and then I decide to make the move of this team away from this city where I we would no longer be playing pretty much any games in the oakland area moving forward. I can see why the players themselves might have a problem staying there and not wanting to be there. So it might be in your interest from a management perspective, if you know this team is going to be moving, because this stadium is not being invested in, to just jettison them, get what you can get from them, or just don't resign them and rebuild this team where you know the team's going to be moving forward. I mean we saw something moderately similar with the Chargers when they ended up moving from St Louis Like sorry, st Louis, not Chargers San Diego.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Yeah, San Diego, yeah the Rams.

Speaker 2: 30:08

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 30:09

Sorry, you threw me off for a second yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:11

And I'm like you see something similar, like, hey, you don't renew all the contracts, you also make sure that you have a different coach. These are conversations behind the scenes. These guys aren't signing up to move my entire life over there just because you choose that the stadium's not working out, they might not want to be there, cool. So I get that you might want to put that on management, but at the same time, it might be just easier and simpler just to clean slate and just rebuild that sucker from the bottom up. I'm putting minimal money into it right now and when I get where I'm getting to, I build it up from that point. It's gonna take a minute either way, but at least you ain't got no bad stuff going on in the locker room. Come on, this ain't this ain't the first time we've seen this story. That's all I'm saying. Oh no, it's definitely not.

Speaker 1: 30:55

I mean, people have been moving their teams, and at two o'clock in the morning. That's all I'm saying. It's definitely not. People have been moving their teams at 2 o'clock in the morning while everybody's sleeping. We've seen it. We've got our precedence for it.

Speaker 2: 31:04

Those are my stories.

Speaker 1: 31:06

Good morning Chad. Thanks for joining us, brother. We appreciate you. We've got West Coast totally on board with your draft and everything you were saying. Bo Meister said Angel will become a broadcaster so he can continue making bad. Said Angel become a broadcaster so he can continue making bad. You know good and bad. He ain't gonna be no broadcaster. He gonna stay right there with that.

Speaker 2: 31:21

I think I would watch that broadcast though that's always interesting when you have those refs, when you have those refs and all. You gonna be bored they say bad stuff and they just get paid to say bad stuff. That's great. I agree with that, Bo.

Speaker 1: 31:39

He might surprise you. He might do almost like a Bill Belichick. Surprise you outside of his normal realm and be entertaining. He might be a funny guy that's thoughtful about the game and passionate about the sport. He ain't calling balls and strikes. You ain't gonna enjoy it the same way you're enjoying it right now.

Speaker 3: 31:54

I want him to be as bad at broadcasting as he is at calling balls and strikes, and I would tune in for that one. I think him to be as bad at broadcasting as he is at calling balls and strikes, and I would tune in for that one. No, I think he'll be epic.

Speaker 2: 32:01

I think he'll be great, he'll be incredible Because now you got the TV right in front of him, he beeping. He got this HD. He right here on it. He like, oh no, no, no, I got this, I got all the angles now, yeah, my boy said I, I got this private organization paying me you don't need your laces.

Speaker 3: 32:16

You're going to find out he wears glasses, and he just never wore them when he was up there. Oh God, all right.

Speaker 2: 32:27

He need laces, like James Winston, I got you.

Speaker 1: 32:32

That's not what I expected to happen. All right, cool, all right. So let me give you a little bit of NFL draft. Man, it's happening this week, this week excuse me, I want it to be this week but it's not so next week. I want to cover it a little bit because next week we're going to go deep into it. It's going to be all NFL draft next week. We're going to just go ahead and just deep dive in there. You guys, if you're mock drafts I've been talking about this thing for about a month and a half. You guys got to wait. I know Trav sent his through Twitter. You ready? Herb, maybe Raj and Bo, you hear me out there. Where's your top 10 mocks, man? Send them in the comments. Man, let's go. Man, we waited long enough, let's go. All right, trav, you got your opponent.

Speaker 2: 33:16

Man, you can Go ahead and run him, I'll give Herb a chance to get his, so run my top 10?.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Let's go, baby, all right. So you got trades on his points, you got trades All right.

Speaker 2: 33:27

So I wanted to put a trade so bad. But I've been back and forth on this. If you follow me on Twitter, travistee Holmes, you know I'm 50, 50 50 on whether or not these trades actually come to fruition. Yep, um, and I end up not going with the trades. I thought that's. I thought the easier route is to not have a trade.

Speaker 2: 33:47

Well, no, no it's hard, it's it's. It's harder to say, all right, this trade is going to happen, because I truly think, yes, a trade probably is going to happen in the top 10. Which trade is the one that I'm just like I don't know, know, and that's a coin flip. The hardest thing to do is just say I'm going to leave it as is. This is what's going to happen. Then we're going to go with this Cool Start, with Chicago Bears taking Caleb.

Speaker 1: 34:11

Number one pick, but it's so lackluster Like oh, pick Caleb, oh yeah, great, wow, we know what this is.

Speaker 2: 34:19

Follow that up with the commanders picking up Drake May. Wow, I'm shocked. Why is that shock, I feel like there's some conversation.

Speaker 1: 34:30

I'm not saying that I haven't heard that one time.

Speaker 2: 34:34

You haven't heard one time that.

Speaker 3: 34:35

Drake May going second.

Speaker 1: 34:37

Drake May going second I'm talking about before we start getting into it Early on. Yes, it was Caleb and Drake back to back, but that died off weeks ago. Drake may begin to drop at least one or two points almost every week.

Speaker 2: 34:52

I got you. But that's draft season, man, they get fatigued. You know what I mean. Like they get fatigued seeing the same stuff. We got to get these clicks, baby, come on. And what's going to get them clicks? We're putting everybody else ahead and putting in trades and all this other stuff, and then we have the draft day and it's like, oh no, this is exactly as we expected. Let's go here you go. Here you go. New England picking up Jaden Daniels. Three quarterbacks, of course.

Speaker 2: 35:16

And number four is where I get a little different, because again, everybody's assuming that there's going to be a quarterback trade or something along those lines may go far to four. I'm saying that, nope, we're going to have Arizona stand tall, stand ten toes in and go with Marvin Harrison Jr. You know, give them another receiving threat for Kyler. Then we got the Chargers at five picking up Malik Neighbors. Now we have a slight run on receiver, got a problem going on. And then the New York Giants stepping in picking up the hopeful quarterback of the future in JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2: 35:51

I know that's going to make a lot of people angry for obvious reasons, but that's the Brock Purdy effect. Follow that up with Tennessee Titans. There's no way in the world? Obvious reasons, but that's the Brock Purdy effect, followed it up with Tennessee Titans. There's no way in the world, if they have an option, this is going to be between an OT and a receiver, in my opinion. I think it always was.

Speaker 2: 36:09

I have them going with Ron Madunze, which is going to make all my Jaguar fans mad, because that's what we want. We want him to get to eight, and that's a hard one because I can see them. They already took Calvin Ridley, and then they can get Romaduse and that's the obviously follow-up DeHop. That will be a problem, for obvious reasons. I mean, everybody's trying to compete with Houston right now. Then we've got number eight, atlanta Falcons going with Dallas Turner. I mean I feel like that's just a layup. They don't have enough up front right now. And then Chicago Bears picking up Brock Bowers They've got to give Caleb some more receiving options and wrapping that thing up with the New York Jets going with Fuego.

Speaker 1: 36:57

Sweet deal. All right, I like it. I got different stuff going on. How about you? Herb you ready for it?

Speaker 3: 37:03

I went crazy on mine though A couple of these. I don't believe it's going to happen. Definitely. Caleb Williams is number one. Of course, I gave Washington Jaden Daniels at number two, then at number three. New England does what they always do they trade back. Minnesota trades up to get Drake May at number three. So instead of Washington, arizona, I did Stan Pat with Marvin Harris and, like you guys said, I know that's a popular pick to get a trade in there. But I feel like this time they just they stay there and go ahead and give them another weapon and see what Kyler can actually get done. Then I absolutely don't believe that Vegas should trade up with what they've got going on. But I gave them the number five spot and give them JJ McCarthy. So then the Giants, they go ahead and draft Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 1: 37:53

You stop talking, I'm just joking.

Speaker 3: 37:57

I had to see this to you. That took me a second.

Speaker 1: 37:59

I know good and gone well you ain't trying to. I had to see Mr Hughes face. That took me a second. I know good and gone well you ain't trying to. I know good and gone well you probably missed it.

Speaker 3: 38:04

He had a little Spencer Rattler kind of rant. It was a week or two ago. Spencer was taking stray bullets and he wasn't even in the conversation.

Speaker 1: 38:11

So that's what I meant, oh man, I was just saying we don't need that in our life, yeah, I know, but you brought up Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 3: 38:16

Nobody thought he was. No, I gave him Malik neighbors at the resistance. They missed out on the quarterbacks that they wanted, so I gave Malik neighbors. Sorry, but I could resist man, I could resist my heart didn't even stop.

Speaker 3: 38:32

I went with and I think we were Joe Waltz to Tennessee. I do like your receiver one, but I do think they go OT after getting Ridley. Then I went with Dallas Turner. I went with Brock Bowers Just because I feel like Brock Bowers is a top 10 talent and I feel like he's got to be in here. So I went with him to the Bears and then number 10, I have the Bills trading up with the Jets, which probably never happened.

Speaker 1: 39:00

but just so they could get Roman.

Speaker 3: 39:00

Dunzai, just so they can get a wide receiver. Wow, and I read a report maybe a week ago that the Jets were willing to trade out of that spot. I doubt they would ever trade with the Bills and I don't know how much draft capital the Bills really want to give up to go get a wide receiver after giving up one. But for purposes of my draft I wanted to get done in there.

Speaker 2: 39:16

Okay, let me just throw out if Adunze is still on the board at 10, at 10, jaguars are trading up. There's no way I have to believe that, because I thought it was honestly that they were going to trade up with Atlanta at 8 if he's still on the board. If he's on the board at 10, there's no way they're not on the phone with Atlanta, chicago and the Jets trying to figure out what that best option is if he's still on the board there. So if it does go the way you do, from your mouth to God's ears, whatever, let's go, let's get that done.

Speaker 3: 39:48

I can just see, because of the, I expect a trade-up for a quarterback or two, and I think that's what's going to end up pushing him down. I don't think it's what's going to end up pushing him down. I don't think it's his value or anything. And then you know tennessee and atlanta. I could really see skipping the wide receiver for sure. So then, like I said, chicago, maybe destination depends on how much more they want to invest in it as well. So I got you.

Speaker 1: 40:09

I was, I was holding out it's more, it's more.

Speaker 3: 40:11

It's not like his value is at 10, it's more like how the picks lie. You know if that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 40:17

So I got you Again. For me that Tennessee Titans-Roman Duse pick I know is a luxury pick, but I also do know that this is a GM who's trying to put his stamp on everything and he's done things a little differently than the old Tennessee Titan way lately. I think everybody's assuming an OT, and rightfully, because it's a good, freaking tackle. But I'm just thinking what would he do based on like what he's done, like he's, you know, gotten a smaller, faster team, got rid of Derrick Henry? Is this, I mean, it's possible?

Speaker 3: 40:47

I don't know, I don't know. This is a curious question. No, that's a good thought. It was a good thought.

Speaker 1: 40:51

I like this. I was holding out hope that Rod and Bo would get board, get their picks in If you guys can drop them on our Twitter post. If you can't get them in now, that's fine, we'll go ahead and roll. I'm trying to make an interest or something like that. You want me to wait until the last minute to drop your? Okay, maybe they're busy. I dropped mine. I went ahead and just never do a mock draft. Never Got trades in here. I got two of them in here. So because of that, a lot of the other picks are just like average.

Speaker 1: 41:20

Drake boom, boom, boom. But yeah, a-levitt won with the Bears. Minnesota trades up to Washington with their first this year and next year and they get JJ Daniels. So the Vikings are taking Daniels home with them. Drake made the Pats Marvin Harrison to the Cardinals. Vegas trades with the Chargers, who are kind of itching to make a trade. Anyways, they traded their first this year, which is the 13th. Well, they picked their first, they traded their first. They traded their 2024 third-round pick and their 2025 second round pick for JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 3: 42:03

How weird is it that we made the same trade.

Speaker 1: 42:05

I think the Chargers are kind of down with it.

Speaker 3: 42:07

Right.

Speaker 1: 42:08

Only way they stay there is they don't have anything they like. I think they actually want to do this. If I know Harbaugh at all, I know that he sees the needs on this team and how many draft picks they got. He needs more people, he needs more help back there, so I can see that happening. So with that, I think I'm with you that the Giants take neighbors. I think it's going to be helpful. I think they're going to fix the quarterback thing in the second round, just not right here.

Speaker 1: 42:34

Joe Alt going to Tennessee. I think it's a wise idea for Levis. I mean, based on what I saw last year, I think Levis should be at all's house sleeping over at this point in time. Dallas Turner high speed short arms going to Atlanta. I think Adunza is going to the Bears. What they tried to do when they brought Claypool in is they tried to get where Adunza is For me. When Claypool first, they tried to get what a dunzo is For me. When Claypool first came out, I said man Stills got a baller. He had 50-50. He was just doing what you're supposed to do. I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2: 43:12

Contest the catch monster.

Speaker 1: 43:14

It was a dramatic fall off. Maybe it's all mental, but something happened after that first year or so. Maybe Big Ben not being there might have been a part of it. It was just a big fall off. Ever since then he's just been dangling.

Speaker 1: 43:30

I feel like Rome is the guy that they wanted when they got Claypool over there. I think that they're going to definitely appreciate having him. I know Keller Williams will. The Jets that they're going to definitely appreciate having him. I know Keller Williams will, but the Jets they're going to take Bowers. I think I don't think there's another trade for them in there. If these trades happen like this, I think they're going to take Bowers, give Rodgers a safety net, so to speak. They got talent out there, but I think the tight end area is lacking and they lost their boy. Who was his boy? I forgot his name. I think it was Tunyon. Robert Tunyon Came up with him and I guess he didn't hang around. I thought he was great, but I don't know. He was great with Rodgers. He wasn't great with Zach Wilson, so I guess that's what he boiled down to no injuries.

Speaker 2: 44:16

Man, that turned it around, though that's what it was Turned everything around brother so man.

Speaker 1: 44:20

So Rod and Herb still didn't get their Rod and Bo didn't get their picks in man, that's our top ten. How are you feeling about it? Do you think it's going to happen somewhere similar to this, or are we just hoping for the most chaos in this draft?

Speaker 2: 44:34

Well, I don't know, man, I'm crazy. That Well, I don't know man, I'm crazy. That's the kicker. Again, you have to assume at least one trade happens in the top ten. I'd be crazy not to believe that, especially with the top three receivers and receivers being the most expensive thing in free agency these days, you have to assume that need matches with opportunity. Somebody's going to have to trade for these quarterbacks, somebody's going to have to trade for these receivers if two of them get picked in that first five six. So yeah, man, I can see it happening the way you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1: 45:05

The Vikings and the Raiders. I've been saying it for several weeks. I don't know if everybody agreed on the show, but the Vikings and the Raiders, they have to do this. I mean, I've seen them cap money. Yeah, yeah man.

Speaker 3: 45:17

I think the Vikings have to do something, I think because of Justin Jefferson, so they got to show them that they have some kind of plan. So I see them more than the Raiders, and to your other point. I think we've probably hit on like maybe nine out of ten, like these players are going in the top ten. Just maybe order, you know, might be switched around or whatever, or team might be switched around, but I really feel like these are the players that are going. You know, in there.

Speaker 1: 45:44

The surprise may be to who, but you're probably talking about it more next week though. But Devontae he saw this morning but we didn't have time to get prepared for it like I wanted to. But he changed his tune. He's been talking about routinely not staying anymore. There was even rumors of him going to the Jets to be with Rodgers and all of a sudden his tune has changed. Now he's like I'm happy to be here, I want to be here. I know good and well.

Speaker 1: 46:05

There's no way they're not getting a quarterback in this draft Just because, if I went by that alone, forget everything else. Just that by itself, there's no way in the world he's going to throw the ball to him. He, nowhere in the world. He's trying to find somebody to throw the ball to him. He's happy now he wants to stay there. He's got a youth league out there that he's fostering and stuff. Somebody got to give him the ball and it can't be somebody last name Connell. It got to be somebody else. They got to do something. They can't get no Rattler and the guys from Tulane. They can't do all that stuff. They got to be somebody else.

Speaker 2: 46:33

But the Ra Knicks, they can get a Pennix, they can get one of these guys without trading into the top five.

Speaker 3: 46:39

That was my. I think they can at 13.

Speaker 1: 46:42

I think they're doing a lot of work on Pennix and Knicks.

Speaker 2: 46:46

You think Pennix and Knicks will be gone by 13? Yeah, no way, 0% chance. 0% chance that happens. I could see one of them potentially being gone, maybe around that 15 mark, and I think that would be high.

Speaker 1: 47:02

Somebody who's who's that? Okay, wait, let's go, let's get into the top 15. Cause somebody else is right.

Speaker 2: 47:09

We predict that we all gave our mark on the top 10. And I think for the most part we were all in a general agreement. So you're saying that those two quarterbacks Are going to go between 11 and 15?

Speaker 3: 47:21

Sorry, they're at 13, so between the 11 and 13.

Speaker 2: 47:25

I don't know about that one. That's a major trade-off between those three spots.

Speaker 1: 47:28

That was talking about trading them too, not as vigorous as the Vikings, but somebody else that, someone moving up to it. Somebody else was talking about moving up.

Speaker 2: 47:38

You said and it wasn't the Steelers, it was somebody else who was talking about moving up.

Speaker 1: 47:41

You said and it wasn't the Steelers, they are, they're talking about them. It's not them, it's somebody else who's at 11, 12, and 13?.

Speaker 2: 47:49

The Vikings, I believe, were at 11.

Speaker 3: 47:52

Right now it's the Vikings, depending on. We had trades going up, but the Vikings would be at 11, the Broncos would be at 12, and the Raiders would be at 13.

Speaker 2: 48:02

Yeah, because I'm like no, I don't think. I think there's no chance that those guys are all gone from the board, like at that point, without them trading up, so they have their pick of those. You know other guys that's not the top five. Top four to five guys like, in my opinion at least, right, and four to five guys in my opinion at least, and if that is the case, they have options. Those are not too scrubs as far as the quarterback play. They just need a little bit more seasoning.

Speaker 3: 48:28

They're like the oldest quarterbacks. I don't know if they're going to get more seasoning.

Speaker 1: 48:34

I think the other team, believe it or not I know you're going to believe it because everybody thinks it's going to be Stan Pat, but it's New Orleans. They've been another team that's been in the rumor mill in regards to doing something at that spot because, I don't know, it feels as though they almost had to make a change. I know that Carr hasn't been there that long, but it feels like they had to make a change. I know that Carr hasn't been there that long, but it feels like they had to make a change there. I don't know how they worked their money out. I don't know about that part. I haven't dug deep into it. But that's the other team. It was the Saints and the Steelers I was hearing about. They were thinking about doing something because they don't have confidence at the quarterback position. I think those are the two teams that I was thinking about.

Speaker 2: 49:21

I mean that's not crazy right?

Speaker 1: 49:26

I'm like I just can't. I can't buy that they would let that, anybody would let Penix fall, but so far down. I don't care what his injury history is, let him fall that far down. And most of the guys in the back half of the second round don't really need anything in that realm. They need wide receivers and they need running backs. I think some of them, like you guys, seen the Jags and some other ones, they don't need that, they need other stuff. Quarterback's not really their problem. That's why I said I don't see Panic's Fall in, but so far. That's why I said that We'll see. We'll have fun with it, man, because the draft is going to be coming up in a hot minute before you know it.

Speaker 1: 50:03

I want to go ahead and jump into this poll. I'm going to put a poll out. I don't know if you saw it, trav, I should have tagged you in there somewhere in the comments. My bad, most hated college football teams. I'm sure Herb has his own reasons for some of the choices that he put in the options for the most hated college football team. I'll let him speak to that if he'd like to. But that poll was. I forget how. I kept it in bookmarks so you can see how far it got in the growth stage.

Speaker 1: 50:36

Yeah 324 votes.

Speaker 3: 50:38

That's not bad. 324 votes.

Speaker 2: 50:41

It's not bad 324 votes.

Speaker 1: 50:44

How many days? Five days in.

Speaker 3: 50:47

This is six days. I did it for a seven-day one, so technically I was one day left, but it's really stagnated. At this point it's pretty much done, so I think 90% of your votes the first three days, say again In other sections.

Speaker 1: 51:03

There were a lot of other names that weren't in there, but I don't think it was consequential. He had Alabama, notre Dame, ohio State and, of course, the Michigan Wolverines. You want to go ahead and speak to this man. Speak to the results.

Speaker 3: 51:23

You thinking no, travis on those teams.

Speaker 2: 51:25

Well, I'm thinking because I live in Florida, so in my head I'm thinking of, all right, most hated college football teams. All right, yeah, those are hated. And then I'm just like yeah, but I'm a UCF alum and we hated on by everybody because it's national championship thing, which Alabama and Georgia and all these other teams have all done, you know, claiming a national championship based on the old polling system. So my mind immediately goes back to that. We getting all the hate on all the socials because of that. Uh, what was it? 2017?

Speaker 3: 51:54

uh, I think that was more like. I just think it was more short-lived versus being hated Historically.

Speaker 2: 51:59

We haven't been good enough historically to be overall.

Speaker 1: 52:02

You see it, in that poll People got vilified.

Speaker 3: 52:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:07

And so what I did was I take a circle.

Speaker 3: 52:10

I understand, and that's to your point, it's definitely a regional thing Because there's like I had a couple We'll start with the comments like the teams that weren't listed. Uh, late there was a you know three or four people that that you know put out Texas and one guy said it's Texas and it's not even debatable. Or and he said, I'm sorry, he said it's Texas and that's not even a debate and I of course responded that's debatable because, uh, you know, people kind of hate Texas but they more hate the Texas is back part of it than that. So, but Texas was when I, when I mentioned to several people Miami was somebody who just barely missed and Texas was somebody who just barely missed as far as like maybe their fifth or sixth options.

Speaker 2: 52:54

So and the reason that Miami would miss is simply because they haven't been back yet. Right, because it's a recency bias at that point. But again, if you said we're having this long, long tail conversation but talking about historically, then Miami probably should be in there, because they were. I agree, they were definitely number five.

Speaker 3: 53:12

I honestly would have probably put them in before Michigan, like historically, but Michigan was for Mr U, because that's how this conversation started, it wasn't for me. Did you see his face? I'm used to that. I get that face about three or four times a show, so I'm kind of used to it at this point. That's not true.

Speaker 1: 53:29

But the Texas thing, I feel like I should hear it. I don't have to be a Texas fan, I should be able to hear it. If it's hate on that level, with that amount of decibels, I should be able to hear it, no matter where I am, I should be able to hear it. I don't hear tests like that. I see Michigan should be higher up in the rank. I'm not saying that stuff. Polls are what they are. The votes are what they are.

Speaker 3: 53:50

Michigan was dead last 46% went to Alabama, 23% to Ohio State, 17% to Notre Dame and 12% to Michigan and USC wasn't even on that list, either or Notre Dame. Notre Dame was on the list.

Speaker 2: 54:07

Notre Dame was on the list.

Speaker 3: 54:09

Yeah, 17.3%, 17, okay, yeah. Usc wasn't even mentioned in comments, though, either, or to anybody that I text polled, so that was interesting. I think if you go back to the Reggie Bush days you're probably saying yeah, but since then it's kind of been not as much, unless Oklahoma fans.

Speaker 2: 54:28

I'm sure if Oklahoma fans had this- Basically, you're just naming everybody who had their dominant seasons, whatever that was, let's say, seven years, 10-year time frame. You're naming anything like that, and then you're probably going to have whatever that was, let's say, seven years, ten year time frame and if anything, yeah, you name it, anything like that, and then you're probably going to have an opportunity to be on the list.

Speaker 3: 54:43

But see, here's the thing georgia has been dominant and they're not on the list, and the only comment made was by a georgia person who thinks they're hated. So it's like it's not just dominance and reasoning bias, it's other things that go into this I mean I think alabama is traditionally hated.

Speaker 3: 55:00

Our own conference hates us. I told him one time I said if alabama won the national championship and they gave everybody in the conference 10 million dollars, the whole conference would still root against us and say we don't want the money, we just want alabama to lose. That's how bad it is. But georgia won back to back and I had a chance at three in a row and didn't get any of that kind of hate. So it's just different.

Speaker 2: 55:21

That's interesting.

Speaker 2: 55:24

Maybe it's because of how Alabama won versus how Georgia won, because Georgia's just won like a normal football team and that's a little different. But Alabama won because they started integrating the Bear Bryant years. That's different. They started taking those kids from Florida A&M. They started integrating, you know, the Bear Bryant years. That's different. They started taking those kids from Florida A&M. All of a sudden they turned this mostly white team to a black and white team from Florida A&M winning national championships to being you know, you're not hearing much from them at that point. So maybe it's about how they started winning and they kind of changing it up in an area that's the south. That's not about that black and white mix in life.

Speaker 3: 56:00

I wasn't here for all of it like we. We I moved here in my senior high school so we jumped kind of into the middle of it and we weren't relevant, like for the first 10 years that we were in alabama, so we didn't know a lot of this. But then saving came here and it was just kind of like you know, and then of course you get social media so you feel it more now than probably then. But yeah, we got a lot of hate this poll is weird in that there's so many tentacles to this.

Speaker 1: 56:27

It's like I don't know how we can even get past this and move on to the next thing. I don't know how we do that, because it's like all I see is Michigan hate. I get why, because I mean the things that have happened, the way that they happened, especially on the field. It's like people don't want to accept what happened. So I get that part of it. But it's like if you take them off, who are you going to put on in their place? I mean all I hear about from people who don't even live nowhere near, they're not even a Big Ten fan and they still got a comment about Michigan. That's why I said they have to be on this list. Who do you put in their place? The Notre Dame part is weird to me because I'm like you know what, if you listen to a Notre Dame fan, they have a good reason for why they're independent and the things that they want to be involved with. I respect what I heard. I respect they didn't want to sell out to the machine to do what they were doing.

Speaker 3: 57:21

I'm cool with that part, but I don't hate them for that, mike made a good point about Notre Dame and their lack of conference affiliation and the fact that they do play so many teams. Every conference ends up hating.

Speaker 1: 57:34

Notre Dame.

Speaker 3: 57:34

We've always disliked Notre Dame down here, so I could see their inclusion. Like I said, with the people I text, everyone mentioned Notre Dame, so it was definitely a theme. What was the reason then? I just told you, because, like, they're not part of any conference but they're playing all the conferences and it's kind of like Notre Dame holds themselves at a loftier standard even though they're not doing anything or accomplish anything. So we all just kind of hate on them and want them knocked down or so they better than everybody else because they don't want to get in the mud.

Speaker 2: 58:05

I mean, but they kind of feel like they carry themselves as better than everybody else, because then they always have that built-in excuse of hey man, it's harder to get here, it's harder to get in here, it's harder to recruit. If you can win here, you can win anywhere, because it's more difficult. Yeah, so if you're a fan of any other team, even when you win, and they always have this little get-out-of-jail-free card in the back pocket, you might feel some kind of way.

Speaker 1: 58:24

I can understand that I give you, that I don't know. So I guess people have spoken and they said that Alabama is the most hated. I still get Michigan hate stuff coming all my time. I ain't even talking about it, I ain't posting nothing. I'm not saying I ain't doing no video, but you're not alone.

Speaker 2: 58:45

I get that when nothing's going on, but again like y'all said, it's regional, so it depends on your following. If that is mainly seen by your following, then whoever the vast majority of your following is, they're going to be like. No, we are the most hated, because everybody want to be hated on, everybody want to be disadvantaged.

Speaker 3: 59:04

If you're not being hated on, then you're kind of irrelevant. So it's like people got to dislike you, so you want to be number one on the list. I'm just going to say I don't mind it. If we get to a point where everybody's not hating Alabama anymore, that means we're not doing anything right anymore.

Speaker 2: 59:21

He ain't trying to say it out loud, but he's loving it, he's relishing it.

Speaker 1: 59:23

We were at 13%. Do you think we didn't do enough to get a better percentage than that?

Speaker 3: 59:30

I don't think you did enough. I think it was one year and that's all we really paid attention to.

Speaker 1: 59:34

One year of domination.

Speaker 3: 59:37

Okay, and two days after the national championship.

Speaker 2: 59:42

Nick.

Speaker 3: 59:42

Saban retired and everyone forgot the championship. Hmm. It was the biggest news story Nick Saban retiring. That's very hurtful. You brought, you pushed me to it. I was trying to be nice, I was trying to not go into that, you pushed me to it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

It's going to be interesting to see if Alabama is going to be able to retain their previous levels, or even something close to their previous levels of dominance, now that the NIL has kind of changed the game and it's going to be obviously a different coach.

Speaker 3: 1:00:14

It's definitely harder year to year now because I'm already bracing what's the spring transfer window? It's like who are we about to lose in the next couple days? It's already hard. I will say this Coach Saban set up DeBoer better than Saban was set up when he got here. There's definitely a lot more talent, but the playing field changes every day now With these transfer windows in Ohio, who knows?

Speaker 2: 1:00:42

No, that's fair.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

All right, man. This is an awesome show. I enjoy it. Can we end on a negative note?

Speaker 3: 1:00:47

Yeah, thanks to y'all too. What negative note. Man. You got a national championship. Man, I promise you, if we had won the national championship last year, couldn't nobody say anything to me.

Speaker 1: 1:01:00

They can't tell me nothing. I ain't trying to hear it, I'm saying but this 13% is like these same people that's voting. They were probably some of the main ones on my timeline. I didn't go back and check because I ain't got that kind of time. 13% under Notre Dame Really Wow, I mean I'll go back and vote for you, man.

Speaker 2: 1:01:15

Ohio.

Speaker 1: 1:01:15

State's in there, probably because of the years, years prior to recently. I doubt it had anything to do with the last three or four years. I doubt that very highly. They pulled that one from the archives that came out of the treasure chest. That hate, that's nothing recent. They ain't did nothing. I don't know what that's about, but okay, it's okay. Yeah, man, I want to touch a trap. I don't know how much time we have.

Speaker 1: 1:01:44

Okay, you know what? I got a tiny window. We can go ahead and use it. I got a little window. We can go ahead and use it. My allotment ends on the 17th, so I got it. I got it, let's go ahead and roll with it. Let's roll with it. My allotment ends on the 17th. So I got it, let's go ahead and roll with it.

Speaker 3: 1:02:01

I have roughly nine minutes before I go. Oh, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2: 1:02:05

Oh man.

Speaker 3: 1:02:06

Okay, we can talk tomorrow.

Speaker 1: 1:02:07

Let's go, it's my job so we can go. Let's go All right, real quick then. Strongest and weakest draft groups in this year's draft. I know you're going to say quarterback, but beside quarterback, what's the strongest group?

Speaker 3: 1:02:18

out here, ny receiver, because it's like seven of our top ten is those two people. So what's after that group? What's after receiver?

Speaker 2: 1:02:28

That's the question. Opposite tackle. I would guess Again, my answer was definitely going to be receiver, because you can get starters up until the third. You know rounds three, maybe even four, but maybe. If not that, then you're probably talking OT.

Speaker 1: 1:02:43

Okay, now, when we talk about strongest, you guys talk about is there more of them or is there more of a higher quality at the position? Because that's two different things. So what are we talking about?

Speaker 3: 1:02:56

Wide receiver is probably highest quality and deepest. If you're picking one of the first wide receivers, you're getting somebody really good, but if you're picking a wide receiver in the second round, you're still probably getting somebody pretty good.

Speaker 1: 1:03:09

I mean after Xavier Leggett. Who are we talking about? That? I mean, I have to go through the names, but this is like I was just listening.

Speaker 2: 1:03:18

Yeah, you say after Xavier Lekker. I mean Xavier is going to be projected. What to go? Maybe best case scenario? You're talking like middle of the second early second, like it's probably ceiling.

Speaker 1: 1:03:29

It's been early. Second point I've been seeing so far yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

So we're talking like wide receiver, maybe what six, seven, eight range, before we start getting a fall off between you know, number one, like true, reasonably considered number one options. That's not bad at all. And again, I still, and I would even argue that it goes by, like you know, Xavier Leggett, honestly. So that's a hard one.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

Yeah, if you're using a pro football focuses as a, as a measuring stick, they're saying wide receiver. Then of course, ot and cornerback. Honestly, I haven't dug into the cornerback. Maybe that's what we'll do, since next week it's just all draft anyway. Let's do a little legwork and get into that with more detail.

Speaker 2: 1:04:13

You got Darian Jones and Renato Green from FSU. You got Mike Sandersville from Michigan. You know we're still talking corners. We're talking slots, though obviously Slots are still corners, baby. I mean, there's a lot of guys, man, who are available, and again you're talking third, fourth round. Even it can be like legitimate starting corners, and this is outside of the top guys, obviously Mitchell and, you know, arnold. So yeah, I can see cornerback being up there too. I didn't think about it, though.

Speaker 3: 1:04:42

Yeah, and especially with this run on offensive players early, those kind of positions getting pushed back a little bit, you're going to find some good stuff without having to move up for it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:52

Yeah, guys like Tyler Newman man, people are chomping at the bit to get their hands on him. I know he got mocked to us recently too because we got a safety opportunity on our team. So if, moving forward, there's nowhere in the world that Joe Shane Safety is really light Safety is like one of the weakest, If not behind.

Speaker 2: 1:05:12

Maybe tight end safety is like one of the weakest positions. So if you don't get one of your top guys, Linebacker too. Oh yeah, linebacker is not bad. I don't get one of your top guys oh yeah, running back is not bad.

Speaker 3: 1:05:21

I wonder, do you count running back as a weaker group or just the position value is gone and you're just going to get somebody late. No matter what you do now, I think it's both.

Speaker 2: 1:05:29

It's a mixture of both, though, because just last year you had Gibbs that went in the top ten, and that was last season when the running back was, and Bijon, yeah, when the running back was in flames. Yeah, when the running back position was in shambles like it was in flames, and they somehow went in the top ten. So it may be a mixture of both, but I mean, your highest-rated running back this year is scheduled to go what Second, third round? Second maybe third yeah, yeah, like that's your highest running back. That's wild.

Speaker 1: 1:05:54

You might be six, that's it, so it's not strong. Jonathan Brooks is the name you hear, despite his ACL tear, and you hear Jalen Wright. I forgot what team he's on, but those are the top backs you hear about most of the time. There's another guy too. I think he's from Texas. It's another guy whose name I've been hearing a lot, but aside from that, it's not a there we go, there we go. Uh-oh, are there we?

Speaker 3: 1:06:15

go. Uh-oh, are we going to get to fireworks too? I'm going to have them hold up. I told them I'd been listening to a Dallas podcast a couple of times just to kind of get a feel for what they were doing, and they need a running back and they're just like you know, third round or after is where we're going to find it. So that just kind of tells you where the position is. Even teams that are like we pass to get the other talent. Why would it be Shoot that's easy.

Speaker 1: 1:06:44

Yep, I love the edge defender. I'm hopeful for something to happen there, because there's a lot of meat on that bone in this draft. If you need an edge guy, you got Dallas Turner, you got Jared Verst, you got LaTua.

Speaker 2: 1:06:59

That's been a fun conversation. There's been a lot of argument between which one of those top three are actually the number one edge. There doesn't seem to be any consensus on that, even though everybody's just putting Dallas as number one because you have to. I don't want that heat kind of just putting Dallas as number one because you have to.

Speaker 1: 1:07:22

I don't want that heat. I'm not sure I want Turner. That's just me. I can't say to somebody else, but Chop has been visiting with us for quite a bit now. We can't.

Speaker 2: 1:07:36

I'm a burst guy. I'm a burst guy he might not be.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

Latu is going to be your best in might not be Like Latu's gonna be your best. In my opinion, Latu's gonna be your best guy To get. He's gonna have the most sacks In this freaking year Because he's gonna be More closer to a designated Pass rusher. But I think burst Is just Skill set Bend Power, Speed to power, Etc. I just feel like he's that guy overall and I think Dallas might be competing for that third spot. But you know what? My job's not on the line to make that decision.

Speaker 1: 1:08:01

I'm going to drop one in and we're going to get out of here. That's why this is going to be fun. For next week we're going to do our homework. Bo and Raj, dig in. Baby. It's all NFL draft. I ain't talking about no baseball, it's all NFL draft. This week Got you Just because of the week that follows and how we may not even have a show next week. The week after that, let's make it happen. But Austin Booker, just remember that name. Remember that name. He's a wild card, but remember that name. That might be somebody that you wish you had on your team in the upcoming year or two. So just watch out for that. His arm is a little bit shorter than Turner's but he has some other credentials that you definitely want as an edge rusher.

Speaker 3: 1:08:45

But all right guys.

Speaker 1: 1:08:46

Tell you about where they can find you at Travis, herb and Raj. Where can they find you, man?

Speaker 2: 1:08:52

You can find me on all the socials Travis D Holmes. You can find my writings covering the Jacksonville Jaguars on bigcatcountrycom. I actually just put on the post about the Jaguars rehiring of University of Michigan Director of Personnel, tom Gable. He's welcoming back. We left the light on for him, so he's back in the cold. Wow, okay, so I knew you'd appreciate that.

Speaker 3: 1:09:13

Tag me, please, tag me, please. Always good stuff from you, travis man, I appreciate your stuff Absolutely. Always good stuff from you, Travis man, I appreciate your stuff, Thank you. We're at RodHerb on Twitter and then you can search us out on Herb and Rod's podcast on YouTube and find all our videos. So tomorrow night the birthday edition for the Herb and Rod's podcast Rod's birthday is coming up this Saturday.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

The whole episode is going to be about his birthday. That man, he's going to be.

Speaker 3: 1:09:40

I mean, we might talk about some other stuff, because we don't want everybody to get bored but we will celebrate him as well.

Speaker 1: 1:09:46

That man is going to be floating tomorrow night. I'm going to survive some shows. I don't know if I'm going to be able to catch it. I'm going to do my very best to catch it. I don't want to miss you, guys, but I think I can make it work. Yeah, man, but thanks for joining us again, man. We appreciate it, guys. And, of course, on Wednesdays, our Wednesday wrap-up. You see most of us here talking sports in the daily news and all the sports realms Find us on our YouTube channel at TheyCallMeMrU, and, of course, here on Monday mornings, live at 9 am EST. Thank you, guys. So much, enjoy the music Coach out.