Inside the NFL Draft: Strategies, Sleeper Picks, and Quarterback Prospects

Unlock the mysteries of the upcoming NFL Draft with us, Mr. Yu, and the guys Bo from Football Talk with Bo and Herb and Rodg from the Herb and Rodg podcast. Our latest All Purpose Pod episode is a gridiron treasure trove that'll give you an insider's look at mock drafts, trades, and the hidden value in late-round picks. Imagine celebrating with Rodg on his birthday one moment and dissecting the Giants' draft strategies the next. That's the kind of whirlwind talk we're serving up, complete with hot takes on players like Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels who are vying to be the talk of the town come draft day.

Ever wondered how teams like the Vikings and Raiders craft their draft day master plans? We've got that covered, too. We take you behind the scenes of NFL war rooms, discussing how teams balance the scales between snagging the best talent available and filling those pressing roster gaps. Rodg jump-starts a fiery debate on when to bet on fresh talent over experienced vets—a conversation you won't want to miss. Plus, we break down the Seahawks' penchant for trades and how they might bolster their line-up, spotlighting potential fits for their unique style of play. Don't overlook the New Orleans Saints and the Pittsburgh Steelers. They could mak

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Speaker 1: 0:51

Thank you, welcome back to the All Purpose Pod for an all-purpose life. Wherever you are and however, you're here and they call me Mr U the podcast. Thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week. We're in the house Football Talk with Bo representing this morning the Herb and Raj podcast also in the house. Good morning, fellas. Monday morning, happy Monday, how you guys doing, I think. Bo's praying Bo's praying. Bo's praying for this show. He's hoping for this. I'm there praying with you, brother.

Speaker 2: 1:24

Yes yes, any show with me on, it needs prayer. Oh, come on.

Speaker 1: 1:30

How was your guys' weekend man Anything of?

Speaker 2: 1:35

birth Birthday weekend for Raj, so we were out in Dallas. That man is getting love. He's getting love. Yes, I've got a lot of posts to respond to from the weekend, because I think we'd post a picture and then not be back on Twitter for the rest of the weekend.

Speaker 1: 1:51

I want to get a little bit of a small picture.

Speaker 2: 1:55

I still have some more pictures to post and stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:57

Yeah, I need to see those. Yep, all right, all right. Well, it's all NFL draft. We've been talking about it for a hot minute and it's like there's really no other day to do this. So this week and next week, it's all NFL draft. If you guys love some other kind of sport, like tennis or golf, I feel sorry for you. This is all about the NFL. For the next two weeks, man, we're going to be going heavy on the NFL draft. There's going to be a lot to talk about, a lot of rounds to break down, especially next week after the draft is done. So here we are. We're going all the way in, man. So, bo, since you're in the house, are you ready with your top 10 mocks from last week? We never got those from you, so are you ready for those, bo Meister? I think Bo's going to argue.

Speaker 2: 2:44

What did you say to Bo before we got on there, man?

Speaker 1: 2:46

We ain't getting out of these top 10 mocks brother. We need those mocks brother. Put them in the comments section. I don't care how you do it, but we gotta get your mocks man. I want to see what you got going on. Same with you, roger, if you can make it happen while being safe out there. Man, we need your mocks man. You our last week when her was on time. You got his, knocked his out. Trab knocked his out. All right. Good morning mom. So good to have you in the house today. Hope you're doing well where you are hello, hello hello or undying support for us.

Speaker 1: 3:15

We appreciate it so much. All right, well, can't sit here with these top 10 mocks to come. Has yours, yours changed?

Speaker 2: 3:22

but from last week or you think you're rolling with the same.

Speaker 1: 3:29

I'm having a problem with a couple of areas I don't feel I can change. I don't know where to put them. I feel like this is not going to go the way I thought Right.

Speaker 2: 3:40

I don't know. There's a couple teams that could wreck your mock. That's the problem.

Speaker 1: 3:44

Well, there's four teams that can destroy two. We talked about last week that was Minnesota and the Raiders. I can see that happening. I really believe they're going to be trading up. But I feel like Drake May is somebody that we've been hearing so much negative about early on. I feel like he's the guy that I think if the Giants had the chance, they would take him Right. I thought that at first and then I heard all the negativity and I fell for the chatter, but I think that he's somebody that they will actually want if he can get that far Right For all the trade-ups.

Speaker 1: 4:14

I'm not even sure Jaden Daniels is a name that wow. I think Jaden Daniels is a guy that can definitely be in a top three, top four territory. I'm hearing a number of great things about him. His slender build is probably the only thing that people can talk about. Everything else, his accuracy, his strength as a pocket passer, his ability to move out of the pocket and still be accurate down the field, hard to find. I feel like he's going to be pretty high as projected. Good morning, Chad. Thanks for having me in the house, brother. Hope you enjoy the show. Bring your NFL draft questions, man. We'll be hearing from you on that. All right, bro, we're still not seeing you, brother, but how about you? Have you seen anything that's different, man, Anything that's changing for you? I knew when we did it, something was going to happen. I knew it.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Well. So I was even reading articles, especially specifically to one of your questions, so I was trying to see where you wanted to start at. So I'm going to ask you a specific question. To start, let's go. How do you feel about the Giants moving up from six, or do they stand pat and take whoever they want there?

Speaker 1: 5:26

We cannot move up from six for several reasons. We only got six picks, but to move up, that means you probably going to have to give somebody two of the picks that we had this year, probably, or a first next year. I don't think we need to do that. So I think we need to stay where we are or trade backwards. I wrote an article for one of the Giants blogs recently and I talked about that same thing. I said we need to stay where we are and get BPA.

Speaker 1: 5:55

We need like six different positions I forget what they all are, I wrote them down somewhere, but we need about six different positions. Like me, we have to have a cornerback out of this draft. Right now, our cornerback room is slim. Quarterback is something we can't ignore. Linebacker I think it's outside. Either. We need linebacker help, for sure we need guard help, because I don't know if your boy is going to guard every knee. I don't know if he's going to be able to help us out or not, because it doesn't sound like they're moving him at all. He doesn't take my calls anymore.

Speaker 1: 6:28

So we don't talk His good graces, please. We're going to need running back help because Eric Gray is not a barrel car. We can't use him like that because that's not his makeup. I mean, we've got like six or seven needs. We've got to have seven needs we got to have. So we can't do that with six picks and then kind of move up so we can get a quarterback. So we got to stay where we are. I think we'll get value if we do stay there. We can get probably still get a quarterback there. I've seen stuff with names like Spencer Rattler. We're not going to do that. That's what we're not going to do. If Dallas is going to do that, go ahead. Dallas, you do that.

Speaker 1: 7:01

But, we're not going to do that. So I think we've got to stay where we are and get BPA. We can get a lot of good stuff if we stay there. Yeah, we can get one of two or three of the top wide receivers in the draft if we want to. We can get Joe Alden stealing from Tennessee if we want to. We can get potentially a quarterback for the future. I think at least two or three of them should drop down that way, no matter what happens, even with trades up from potentially from the Raiders or from the Vikings, which is likely to happen. So yeah, to answer your question, we got to stay there, we got to hang out.

Speaker 2: 7:41

So a month ago, when we first were talking about this, I said I absolutely didn't think the Giants should move up, and it's like I'm reading articles. They used to put out their top teams to move up and move down and they put the Giants in the team to move up and I was like I must have missed something, because I don't feel like I understand the need for a quarterback, even with Daniel Jones. But I just don't. I don't see the draft capital and the need to to move up that much and sacrifice so much. You know, like you said, when you have so much you want to fix, I just don't see it. So I mean I might be wrong.

Speaker 1: 8:12

No, you're not wrong I mean because I mean honestly anybody that they want to come on and talk about. They can man, but I'm not going to come in agreement with them because there's there's no value in us moving up to where you said three. What are we giving for three picks? You know we're going to give about, I mean to move up three positions in the draft. We're going to give somebody at least two picks and probably a future, Just to move up three picks. That's ridiculous, that kind of draft.

Speaker 2: 8:39

If you're doing that, you must think that, like Drake, may is going to be a superstar. You know like surefire can't miss prospect.

Speaker 1: 8:48

If he was that, everybody would be doing the same. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 8:54

I'm in the same position I was before. I don't think the Giants should move up. I don't see it with their draft capital and what they need on the team. I just don't see it.

Speaker 1: 9:03

Again. I said something about and I wrote it in the article, about them moving backwards. I said that was a viable option. It made sense because we need to have some capital. Like I said, we got six or seven positions. I keep forgetting to count. It's like see the six or seven that we need of dire need. We need to get some good talent and start building from that.

Speaker 1: 9:19

Out of this draft, we got to get some picks out of all this stuff. We can trade back in round two there's a viable option there to do that or we can do it in round three as well. But after that pickers start getting slim. The value goes down a lot after round three. So I don't want to move back. I'm nervous about that because I know we got some needs that I'm not sure we can find the answers to. Maybe we can find the answers to, maybe we can. This is just one of the back and wide receiver guys out there that can help us out and that they really talented and they're not in the top or they're not in the first round. I get that. So I'm not totally afraid. But moving up, I'm definitely afraid of that. I don't think we should do it. What do you think, bro?

Speaker 3: 10:00

yeah, I mean, I I don't really see a need for it. Right, To your point, unless you think Drake May is that guy. I don't, but I mean he could be. Who knows? Right, Like we don't know at this point. But if you stay where you are and you are still convinced you needed a quarterback, like JJ McCarthy is still going to be there, right, Because at four, if Arizona stays there, they're getting a receiver. Right, what's up, Chad? But yeah, so I mean, like there's no real need to move up. You know, I think, more than anything, that's just something people were able to play around with on their mock draft, right, Because when you think about the needs that your team has, it doesn't make a lot of sense to go do that.

Speaker 1: 10:48

It does not. I think the Giants are just playing around with folks. For the most part, what I can tell is if they want them to trade back and they, just you know, try to get some capital, or they want to stay and, just you know, stir folks up, I can't really tell.

Speaker 2: 11:03

Right, and there's a lot of that, so it's always hard to tell what the smoke screen is and what's the actual information.

Speaker 1: 11:10

We need a lot of things. How about you guys' teams? How are you guys feeling about essentially what your team's going to do in this? Because I know next week probably going to flesh it out a lot, because your team will have made their picks by then and then we'll get your analysis from each of you on how your team did. Herb got a couple of teams that he likes I know Miami's Rodgers team and we'll be talking about the Seahawks next week but just want to get your thoughts. What do you think about what you're hearing from some of the chatter, I guess, and what you think they should actually do? What do you think?

Speaker 2: 11:50

I feel like both the teams that I'm kind of rooting for and then Roger's team also probably going defense with their first picks, obviously Houston just made the big trade offensively, so I feel like all the weapons are already there. So, unless it's, like you know, linemen that just really fall and they can't ignore, I feel like they're going defense as well, and maybe even specifically cornerback I think is what I was reading and then Philly just needs to fix the defense all over. She might just take the best defensive player that's out there at that point.

Speaker 1: 12:14

And then Raj I know they want to fix defense.

Speaker 2: 12:17

I haven't looked specifically at his. I'll let him answer that question if he slides by. But he wasn't happy with the people that they let go this offseason. So now it's like, yeah, we just let this guy go. Now we got to replace him. You know I never agree with letting like a more veteran player go to draft a rookie on a team. That's more win now than win later, and the dolphins are definitely more win now, so I don't get that one at all.

Speaker 1: 12:42

I'm missing that one too, man. I think christian workers is not the same thing as uh, he was mad, get that one at all. I'm missing that one too, man. I think Christian Wilkins is not the same thing as Devin.

Speaker 2: 12:47

He was mad about that one.

Speaker 3: 12:50

I think it was more of a cap thing than anything.

Speaker 1: 12:54

It's not like they were trying to do dumb stuff. They could have been cut somewhere else. Do you want to agree? They did some stuff.

Speaker 2: 13:01

I would have tried to. Obviously, I haven't looked at their full cap situation. But I just have to think you would have had to try somewhere else, anywhere else.

Speaker 1: 13:10

I would have made a way to make Wilkins hang out. I think he would have been worth it. I agree he may not be the same thing as Chris Jones or Jester Lawrence for us, but you make a way for a player like that, especially when your defense was probably the weakest part of your game last year. You don't get that guy up, but pick someone else from the draft who's brand new, fresh out of the game, exactly.

Speaker 2: 13:32

If that guy takes two years to come along, I mean, even if he's a superstar in two years, that's two years you've wasted of everybody.

Speaker 3: 13:38

Tyreek.

Speaker 2: 13:39

Hill ain't hanging out forever.

Speaker 1: 13:41

No, exactly. How about you, bo Seahawks? What are you thinking, man?

Speaker 3: 13:46

yeah, I mean, if history tells us anything, they probably trade back right, because although we have a new head coach, we don't have a new gm right and sitting at 16. If, uh, it's one of those where if there is a trade, it'll happen when they hit on the clock, right.

Speaker 3: 14:09

Because, you're probably going to see if someone wants to trade up, like I could see a team like Philly moving up a little bit and, you know, trying to get one of their, one of their guys, on their board. That would put Seattle dropping back to like 22. I could see them being in the mid-20s trading with one of those teams because, realistically, unless they're sitting at 16 and they're sold on Pennix which I don't know that they are but their offensive coordinator was his offensive coordinator, so if he's still available there's a shot right. But I would say that's a low percentage type of thing. They probably trade back and grab, you know, grab a center, interior offensive lineman maybe, or you know, or an edge rusher. I imagine the trenches is something that they're going to target. A fair amount and with that first pick is probably where they're going to go. Again, if Penix is still there, there's an outside shot to go after a quarterback. I can't imagine they do, though I'm guessing they're going interior offensive line. Okay.

Speaker 1: 15:18

I heard a name associated with you guys. I was just wondering what you thought about it. I think it's a perfect fit, but it's just my personal opinion. I was thinking about defensive tackle, byron Murphy from Texas. Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't be bad High pass rush, lead donation and pass rush. I think Mike Madonna can use him in his physical nature. Man, how about you know? How do you feel about him?

Speaker 3: 15:42

For sure, the other guy I was thinking which is why I thought it could kind of go either way was. I'm trying to remember the guy's name here.

Speaker 1: 15:52

Where did he come?

Speaker 3: 15:53

from Center Graham Barton. Oh, okay, I could see them picking him up, upgrading at center. They get both of their tackles back that were injured last year, so in theory that would really start to move this offensive line forward. Uh, still some questions at guard. Not that the guard position was terrible, but you know an upgrade wouldn't be terrible either. Um, so yeah, I mean it's uh, that's kind of what I see is like it, like a tackle or an edge on the defensive side or a center or a guard. Really, in the trenches is where Seattle needs some help.

Speaker 1: 16:33

Copy that, copy that and would you guys pick? You picked 16th right.

Speaker 3: 16:37

Yeah, 16th Currently. I would bet money. They trade back Currently. I think everything we're doing now is based on currently, so yeah Well, I mean the thing is is when you look over, you know Schneider's, you know tenure, they've traded back Most of the time.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Yeah, keep your eyes off of your rivals. Man the Niners man, I know they picked at uh, man the Niners man, I know they picked at 31,. But they love Graham Barton too. So I wonder what they're going to do there, because after the trip with Trent Williams and stuff and all that happened with him, I wonder if they're going to, because they got a lot to do on that unit. Yeah, on that front they got to do something out there, and Graham Barton is the man that's been bounced around with the with the nine is. Good morning, raj. How are you, brother?

Speaker 2: 17:29

But can they fix the Brandon Ayuk situation before?

Speaker 1: 17:33

Thursday, like what happened there. I wouldn't ask you about that, cause I'm trying to figure out how that affected a draft, because if they don't have something locked down for him, they go on down for him. They're going wide receiving the drafts too, you know, because I'm not sure if he's staying. I mean people say, oh, he might get it figured out how to deal with, uh, with debo.

Speaker 3: 17:50

But I mean, if you're gonna try and replace iuk with someone in the draft, you better be moving way up that's what I think, yeah, and that's that's where it came from.

Speaker 2: 17:58

Like, over this weekend somebody even had an article, I guess, uh, one of the million mock drafts out there. They them trading, you know, iu, to get one of those top 10 picks and take another wide receiver See that's the part that doesn't make any sense, right?

Speaker 3: 18:11

So if you're one of these teams and you have one of those high draft picks, Right. Why are you going after IU?

Speaker 2: 18:19

Right, you might as well take the wide receiver you want there.

Speaker 3: 18:22

Exactly Right, because if you're drafting that high on the board, you're not good. Historically it means you're a bad team. Now, sometimes you just had a lot of guys hurt and whatever. You had a bad season. But generally if you're that high on the board, you're not in win-now mode. You can bring a receiver along, you don't have to worry about. Uh oh, let's go get IU and we're going to have to pay him. He's unhappy where he is. You know, does he bring some of that negativity with him? Who knows? So, like it's. Uh, yeah, I don't. I don't know why you would make that trade unless you were getting IU and some extra stuff right, uh I don't know.

Speaker 2: 19:09

And then here for the 49ers do you want to get rid of iuk and extra stuff to bring along a rookie wide receiver now? It's a great environment for him because he doesn't have to come in to be like the number one. But you really want to go get a top 10 wide receiver and say, hey, we need to win next year.

Speaker 3: 19:25

That's the thing right.

Speaker 2: 19:26

I need you ready right now.

Speaker 3: 19:28

A couple weeks ago we were talking about championship doors that were closing and everything, and this season it's not closed for the Niners, but it's coming soon because they've got a lot of dudes that are going to get paid, and so this team is going to naturally start to cannibalize itself just because cap space.

Speaker 3: 19:46

So I mean this coming year, this is one of their last shots, like they have this year, maybe the one after, but this next, this coming season, that's as good as it's going to get, and then you're going to start losing things.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Yeah, I agree. Just losing Trent Williams, that right there, that alone changes the whole dynamic on that line. It does not look good. So that window is probably closing a lot faster than what people thought. I'd love to hear, kind of, how this is going to impact their draft. I want to find out how many picks they had. That was a big thing for me to find out how many picks the Niners had. They got 10 picks. I think y'all guys know what's going to happen now, now that I know they have 10, they're going to move up because I feel like they have the luxury to do that now, because they have a season where they did so well last year and they got a lot of the same components in place, excluding Clint Williams and maybe a few others, maybe even Brandon Ayoub at some point, but they still got the crux of their team that went as far as it did. So they're kind of playing house. We're going to move up.

Speaker 3: 20:51

Do you or do you add depth? Do you start adding depth because you know you're going to lose some of these guys next year?

Speaker 1: 20:59

What if you don't like your depth?

Speaker 3: 21:03

Well then, you're going to step up because some of your main dudes are going to be out. The door.

Speaker 1: 21:08

The reports are not good about. You know, I guess, the overall view of their line on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 2: 21:15

So you got the seahawks guys like yeah, tell them don't fix anything. That's fine, I know you love it.

Speaker 1: 21:27

That's okay. You should, that's your right. You are investing in their destruction.

Speaker 2: 21:34

Just don't let Bo start making their picks.

Speaker 1: 21:37

Bo, do you have your top 10 mocks?

Speaker 3: 21:39

No man, I didn't mess around with mocks this year at all.

Speaker 1: 21:43

We answered that for all the people participating in this. I didn't mess around with mocks this year at all. Awesome man. I mean, we answered that for all the people all participating in this.

Speaker 3: 21:48

I know I was not around all weekend.

Speaker 1: 21:52

This was last week.

Speaker 3: 21:54

I know I'm still in the process of unboxing stuff, man. It's all good man, I mean there's a disaster that I'm sitting in right here.

Speaker 1: 22:04

Can't see. It looks great from here, exactly.

Speaker 3: 22:05

Exactly, exactly, just out of camera shot.

Speaker 1: 22:09

Chad got a comment. He said my still is probably going center or wide receiver in the first round in the NFL draft. Chad, who are you thinking about in regards to that center and wide receiver? I'm curious about that today. I think they have a way with it.

Speaker 3: 22:23

I actually can't see the chat at all. That's strange. Yeah, I can't either. What Must be a setting? I thought it was just me because I've been having no no, no, I can fix this. It's all good, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Mid-show man I was just thinking Mid-game adjustments.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Yeah, whatever, you just clicked it.

Speaker 1: 22:50

He can say Okay, I also said I see articles saying Brent, are you coming to my Steelers Bruh? I know you want that, but I didn't see one article that said it.

Speaker 2: 23:00

I won't say articles, but there's a lot of posts about it. There's a lot of people.

Speaker 3: 23:04

I was like, was that from the Onion? Like, what are we talking about here?

Speaker 1: 23:07

I didn't see one article that said he's going to the Steelers man.

Speaker 2: 23:11

If you go to Twitter and check trending under Iyuk, I would say every third post is about Iyuk to the Steelers. So no articles that I've read, but there's a lot of people that are like, oh, I'm like where is this even coming from?

Speaker 1: 23:28

Are the Steelers saying it's possible? Is my initial question. It's hopeless.

Speaker 2: 23:33

I didn't look on any of them, I didn't delve into it. I was like no, keep scrolling, it's just fun to see when somebody's trending why they're trending. When that was every other one, I was like, yeah, I don't think that's what's happening.

Speaker 3: 23:45

No, no, no. It's trending because we are just ahead of the draft and there's nothing happening. You're like I need something to talk about.

Speaker 1: 23:54

Right, honestly, we named 14, I think it was last week, wasn't it? I talked about the Vikings and talked about the Raiders and I said you know, I've been hearing some rumblings about two surprising but not impossible and that's the saints in the steelers. As far as moving up, because right now the steelers are at uh, they're at 20 and, according to chad's point, they got, they need to got, some different needs. That's especially essential why we see what there's some other stuff they got going on they need help with as well. But chad said he loves the steelers to get the guy from west virginia, zach frazier I'm not familiar with his work, my apologies on that, brother, but they need help there. So get it where you can, but they could potentially move up too. So there's going to be a lot of chatter about the Steelers and some stuff. I didn't hear the IU one that's on me, but I didn't hear that.

Speaker 2: 24:44

But there's a lot. I don't think that one's on you.

Speaker 3: 24:47

I haven't heard any real reports about it. There's been a lot of just Twitter speculation, but there's been nothing about it.

Speaker 1: 25:01

I'm hearing other teams but again, it is still in the fire cabinet of Twitter speculation, but we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3: 25:07

It makes sense for a team that is close and needs a guy they need some more firepower, but they're close, they got a good defense. Makes sense for a team that is close and needs a guy. Right Like they they need some more firepower, but they're close, Like they got a good defense, they're competitive, they're kind of right on that, that bubble. For for the ones that they keep speculating to, they're like oh yeah, they're going to get this top pick. For them, it's like no, no, because you're going to go after the top three or four receivers because they'll be available at whatever pick you're in.

Speaker 1: 25:36

So yeah, I'm going to say this about the Steelers. This is not for Chad to be upset. I got my daughter's a Steelers fan and I know how much she loves it. If she hears this she may not take it well, but I mean this with all sincerity.

Speaker 1: 25:56

The Steelers seem to be the kind of team to me, in my opinion, from what I'm seeing, where they kind of rely on what they do best and not really accentuate the other stuff. They're known for their defense and they kind of rely on the TJ Watts of the world to have the pass rush and that kind of stuff and for some reason it always seems to work and they always seem to be in the race, in the running and it kind of gives them, in my opinion, a false sense of security. So they don't think about the other stuff and kind of build Because now the Ravens are at a different place than they were in those times when they were battling with the Steelers for divisions and stuff, and now you've got the Bengals and you've got the Browns improving. You can't do what you were doing years ago, is all I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3: 26:33

Well, all things being equal, they're actually really good at developing receivers. Now, the receivers may not do anything when they leave there, but while they're in a Steelers uniform, they ball out.

Speaker 1: 26:44

Yeah, that's fair. Somebody has thrown the ball and they can't, and they address that because they realize they don't do the quarterback thing well.

Speaker 3: 26:52

So they're like, hey, let me go get Russ, that's going to be an upgrade from the disaster that they had. And then I mean, whether you like Russ or not, you can't tell me he's not better than Mason, rudolph and Trubisky.

Speaker 2: 27:06

That's not really fair though.

Speaker 3: 27:09

What I'm saying is they made the playoffs with that yeah right like so.

Speaker 3: 27:15

I mean, if you get competent gameplay, which you'll get out of russ or maybe russ doesn't start, maybe it's fields fields is still going to be better than mason root, like the bar was set so low and they still made the playoffs. If you get just decent quarterback play out of those guys and then they lean on on the things that they're actually good at, which is building defenses and, for whatever reason, drafting receivers, it can be a decent team. I don't think it's a world beater, but it can be a good team.

Speaker 1: 27:43

I ain't against that, I'm not saying they're not decent. But all the other three teams in the division aren't standing still. If they were, that'd be fine, but they're not.

Speaker 3: 27:58

they improving in kind of leaps and bounds, like you gotta. You gotta keep up with that so who got?

Speaker 1: 28:00

who got better? I think all three of them got. I think all four of them got better. Really, even with uh still bringing in russ and uh and just like what moved the needle needle for you on the other guys?

Speaker 3: 28:11

because you know when you look you look at the Ravens. They lost some defensive pieces. They also lose their splash player in OBJ.

Speaker 1: 28:24

That wouldn't make my needling move to the left, I mean, but you know they bring in.

Speaker 3: 28:29

They bring in, uh, derrick henry obviously. So that is uh a noticeable improvement, but I mean it's not like it's not like it was a huge step forward because they did lose key pieces on the defense. You look at the browns like who knows what the browns are? Right, like they have a great team and quarterback is a huge question and we still don't know what deshaun watson is like. They have a great team and quarterback is a huge question and we still don't know what deshaun watson is like. We have an idea and it's not great, but I mean they can.

Speaker 1: 28:59

They can lean on the top five defense, though everybody can't say that they got. They can lean on that at least.

Speaker 3: 29:04

Yeah, but the steelers could do the same. That I mean that's how they won their games is because tj watt was getting turnovers, and I mean. So you're actually basically looking at the same team. Both of them had really good defenses and questionable quarterback play.

Speaker 2: 29:25

I mean, I can see both. I do feel like the division is getting better. For Pittsburgh it's.

Speaker 3: 29:32

I'm just saying it was good. I didn't see anything this offseason that made any of them really get better than they were last year.

Speaker 2: 29:38

Yeah, I think the thing is what he's saying is plus and minus is both ways, like you know. Obviously the Bengals should get Burrow back, but like what's the T Higgins situation? How long is this going to drag out?

Speaker 3: 29:47

Yeah, they don't have a defense anyway, I like their offense.

Speaker 2: 29:52

If they have Higgins and Burrow out there, I feel like at least if you're getting into a shootout, they've got the weapons to do it.

Speaker 1: 30:00

Higgins is soft in his stance. I guess he's going to be staying now, which ticks me off. He has to get for him. He's staying, so that those things to me are improvements.

Speaker 3: 30:12

Healthy Burrows and Higgins. No, no, no. Their offense is nice, their defense is suspect.

Speaker 1: 30:21

Like you can beat that Bengals team because if you get a stop, I was scoring 34, 36 points.

Speaker 3: 30:24

It ain't going to be easy. Well, that's the thing is. If you get a stop, like if you can stop their offense, if you're not just doing a nonstop shootout, their defense isn't really stopping anybody. If you have a decent offense, you're going to be able to score on the Bengals. Exactly, Watson is the biggest question mark there. If he comes out and he balls out that team is no joke. If he comes out and looks like he has, that's a problem, because they've actually given him weapons. They're like look If he comes out and looks like he has.

Speaker 2: 30:52

That's the problem because they've actually given him weapons. So they're like look, here's the whole team, we're ready for you. Please give us any kind of return on our investment. Yeah, that team is stacked. Don't know how I'm feeling today.

Speaker 1: 31:08

We're hoping my comment made sense because I'm like I feel like you know, not that they're too old school or old world, but they were lied on that for a while. You got to do something, you got to step it up and on the offense, I saw it last year a lot. That's why I'm saying all this stuff. I'm like, wow, you know, you can't survive on what. You got sitting here right now you got kind of relaxed a little bit. George Pickens he's awesome and everything. I ain't got no problem with him. But the other stuff, with Deontay Johnson, y'all watched this stuff for a while and you could have made some adjustments and you never made it. Deontay Johnson was dropping balls like I don't know what for a while. It wasn't like one year, it was like often all the time. It's like come on, man, you got to make some changes. They rely on their defense a lot. I thought it was really a bad idea. But they're still in the hunt and this division is, uh, definitely, uh, definitely, uh, uh, a threat to be one of the best divisions competitively.

Speaker 1: 32:03

All right, rogers moxer in, okay. Taylor drake may. Jayden, daniels at three Interesting, harrison, jr Malik, neighbors. So we're getting a dunce. Okay, joe Ault, dallas Turner, Brian Thomas I've heard his name a lot recently. That could be pretty interesting. I'm surprised that Chicago would take him there, but it's possible. And Brock Bowers Okay, you got to think about Rodgers Mott I'm trying to talk to our brother now.

Speaker 2: 32:32

No, I mean, it looks like I probably would switch May and Daniels at this point, just from what a lot of mocks and what a lot of people are saying. I also saw Daniels more being SEC, so I'm going to be biased in that one.

Speaker 1: 32:47

I missed it, my bad, I missed this. So Daniels is going to Arizona.

Speaker 2: 32:52

No, arizona's fourth. Okay, okay, wow.

Speaker 1: 32:56

Hold on. Hold on hold on.

Speaker 2: 32:57

He has Harrison going. Yeah, he's got Harrison going. I did the same thing when I was reading it. First I mixed up one of the teams. I said whoa, where? Oh, okay, I had to go back and read the whole thing. So I'm with you there, we're going to save it. And I'm not mad at the run of wide receivers because I could see those teams kind of going either way with who he just picked there. And I like Brock. I think Brock Bowers is a top 10 talent who could slide out of the top 10 just because of position and whatever you know, especially once you start factoring in trade ups. But again, like I said, we're biased SEC. We got to see him up close. I just think he's one of the best. Like, if you were just ranking on, just no positions, just best players, I think he's one of the best players in the draft.

Speaker 1: 33:37

I think he's going to fall back too, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Yeah, and I don't think that's because of him. I don't think you know if you get him 12th or whatever you know, late first round, I think getting a steal for your offense. But I don't think that has anything to do with him and it just has to do with positional needs for the other teams. Copy that I agree with that.

Speaker 3: 33:56

Yeah, I'm with this too. They better protect Caleb.

Speaker 2: 34:00

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:01

Because we've already seen what happens when you don't. It's why Fields is in Pittsburgh right now.

Speaker 2: 34:09

Oh, my goodness, Wow. Which makes me think that number nine pick could end up getting trade back and you get a couple more picks and then maybe pick line.

Speaker 1: 34:17

It would hurt Chicago to do that. Yeah, no, I would imagine they would. They probably have the most picks in the draft right now probably I don't even know what they even have, but I can imagine it's probably a lot. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense. We were also talking about you mentioned the Raiders potentially trading up. I want to get your thoughts on them.

Speaker 1: 34:37

We talked about last week about real quick in the snippet about Devontae Adams. He seemed to be happy now and is invested in staying in Las Vegas, which is fine. He got a charity out there and some work that he does with some youth football camps and stuff. Oh, it's all good. So they don't really seem to have that quarterback situation hammered down. So that's why I think the way they're going to try to trade up, what do you guys think in regards to that? Uh, you feel, do you feel like they really invested now that we really have to trade up because of davante adams? You feel like that's kind of forced in their hand to make a, a big splash in the first round and trade up. You think that's a factor or do you think they have to do it regardless?

Speaker 2: 35:16

that's a tough one for me because it's like where, how much do you invest and where do you, where do you go, you know, like with the chargers really want to trade with the raiders at five? I don't think so. Yeah, so that I don't either. So it's like so are you for four and are you in that love with, like you know, jj McCarthy to trade up to four, cause that's a huge investment for a guy you're still kind of true on. So now, if you say that, are you aiming for two and three?

Speaker 2: 35:41

I could see new England wanting to trade back. But then again it's like do you feel like Drake may is that guy where I'm investing that much in them, you know? Or do where I'm investing that much in them, you know, or do I just sit back and maybe hope that, like a Pennix or Knicks is still there at that point? And how much work have I done on that? So I don't know. It's like one of those teams where I understand you want to keep Adams and maybe your window you feel like is supposed to be win now more, but I don't know that it's there, you know.

Speaker 3: 36:07

Yeah, I feel like they could sit and pick up a Bo Nix if they wanted a quarterback right, because the last thing they needed to do is get rid of draft picks because they need a lot of things. It's not like oh hey, we're a quarterback away, they need quite a bit of help. So I wouldn't be giving away a bunch of stuff to go get a guy. Like, this is a spot where it's like, if my guy falls to me, awesome, but we have enough other things we need that, say, say, the guy we wanted is gone, cool, we'll get some offensive line and defensive line and I mean you're going to need all that also. So, uh, yeah, I don't really see them spending what would be required for them to move up.

Speaker 1: 36:51

They got seven picks. Yeah, I wouldn't be moving off of that. They got two sixes. I don't think they will either, but I mean, I feel like they. I think this is a management mentality. That's what I'm saying. This is not like it's a good idea, it just You're just like oh, it's the Raiders. I've seen this movie before the Raiders. I've seen this movie before. I paid for it $10, for popcorn as well. I've seen this movie before. It feels as though if they stay where they are, they probably can get Penix, maybe, or Knicks, like you said, and be good with it.

Speaker 3: 37:25

Why I said Knicks instead of Penix is they're going to need a guy that is a little bit more mobile Because as it sits right now, that offensive line isn't awesome and even if they draft some offensive line, they're going to be young, they're going to get beat a lot the first year if they're first-year starters. So they're going to need a quarterback that can get out of the way a little bit, not to say that Penix can't move, but he's probably the least athletic of the top-tier quarterbacks that are coming out.

Speaker 3: 37:52

He the least athletic of the top tier quarterbacks that are coming out. He has the least mobility. It's actually why I compared him a lot to Gino. Right In his mobility is he can run, he can get out of the way, but he's not going to beat you with his legs Like you laugh. But if you look at the way he moves it's actually very similar. Yeah, I think they ran.

Speaker 2: 38:10

it wasn't like similar. Yeah, he was on our team. I think they ran it wasn't like the one of the last games I saw him do. They did like a run pass option with him and it went for like a yard and I was like, yeah, let's scrap that.

Speaker 3: 38:22

And that's why I say he actually moves a lot like Geno in that way, like he can extend a play, but he's not going to beat you with his legs.

Speaker 1: 38:29

No, he was on our team. You think I don't know. It's right here. I can still see it. All right, man K dropping some dimes on us. Chicago needs to build their own line of protection. We don't need another weapon right now. I agree with the first part, but not the second part. They do need weapons, man, because they've been kind of going on Dollar General stuff for a couple years now. They need to have some stuff happening.

Speaker 3: 38:59

I mean they brought in a couple of guys for fields. He just was running for his life.

Speaker 2: 39:04

Yeah, and that brought in somebody after they got rid of fields, right, yeah, so they've kind of addressed the weapons part of it. I say kind of I can see, but the way the wide receivers are going, like I said, I can see them trading back and still picking up a line and another wide receiver.

Speaker 1: 39:22

I'm looking at the depth chart and see what's going on. But yeah, you guys are talking about Claypool, but that's not a good example.

Speaker 2: 39:30

I don't think it was Claypool.

Speaker 1: 39:33

I thought they brought in somebody else, I mean DJ Moore you talking about.

Speaker 3: 39:36

Keenan Allen. Yeah, Keenan Allen.

Speaker 1: 39:38

You got DJ Moore, keenan Allen. Okay, keenan Allen man. This is somebody who's been watching the Chargers for a while so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3: 39:51

He doesn't have to be their number one. Yeah, I don't mind him as a secondary player? No, definitely not. Yeah, like he can still burn a cornerback two Like if it's one versus one, probably not. He's probably not that guy anymore. But that's not the role he has. And if it does get swapped out, that just means DJ Moore is open.

Speaker 2: 40:15

I like that better. And then, like I said, if you take a later pick on another wide receiver, especially with this class, and you add him to that mix, then I like that. So that's why I said, if they trade back, I feel like they can address both things, because a lot of your top linemen are not going early because of the way this draft is shaking out. Everybody wants you know other offensive weapons, so there's going to be guys waiting there for you.

Speaker 1: 40:37

I don't know much about the guy that they got at the at the three, but they got. They've been using a lot of three we since last year and it's like they locked down Keenan DJ more Somebody's. I get that ball and I'm not sure if Tyler Scott is it, so I would love for them to get another weapon. I disagree with what Mancate was saying, because I think they need all the weapons they can get, because Caleb is going to need all the help he can get.

Speaker 3: 41:04

To Caleb's credit, though, he's not afraid to use his tight ends either. He will use his tight end. If they can design some things that will help him get the ball out quicker, it'll be. It'd be a huge help, and if they wanted to pick up another tight end. That's something you'll be able to get later in the draft I don't disagree at all, really, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1: 41:27

Pretty simple, uh, all right, so let's move on to. I think last week we asked about but I'm not sure if you guys were there, if you guys heard that book talk about the strongest positions in the draft and the weakest in the draft and why you thought that. So what's the strongest position in the draft those you guys are listening to our show as well and what's the weakest position and why do you think that? No wrong answers for me, man. I just want to hear what you guys thinking, man, because the draft is going to bear out. So, no matter what we say, what do you think?

Speaker 3: 42:03

I mean there is that. Uh, you know it's funny. I think um have it watching all of the quarterbacks. I I think one of the weaker positions is the number one overall. Pick Caleb Williams as the number one I don't feel like is the right number one, but that's where it's going to go and the Bears have to In the quarterbacks?

Speaker 2: 42:27

are you saying if, all things being equal, the best prospect is somebody else at number one, like period?

Speaker 3: 42:34

I mean, two things can be true, I guess. But we'll go with quarterback, just to you know, keep people watching from losing their minds. But but I mean, no, like I actually like some of the other quarterbacks better now. Had he come out, um, after the 22 season, sure right, I'd be like, okay, yeah, after watching the 23 season there was a lot of regression in his game right and so when you were looking at all of the quarterbacks over this last year, I don't know that he's the number one pick Now.

Speaker 3: 43:11

He has to be the number one pick for the Bears, because the Bears missed a year ago and squandered one pick and did a lot of dumb stuff. So they're going to have a ton of outward pressure to make this pick, which is why Fields isn't in the building anymore. If they gave Fields an actual offensive line now it feels good. We have no idea, because he's never had a chance to actually play, because most of his passes are for one air yard and it's because his offensive line was Swiss cheese and he had to get rid of the ball as fast as he touched it. So you know, who knows what that would be. But now they're going to get pressured into taking caleb williams. I don't think he's the best quarterback prospect in this draft, so I think that might actually be the weaker um, yeah, one of the weaker spots. And then the strongest one is probably betting on marvin harrison being good that that's probably a pretty safe bet.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Fair enough, fair enough, herb.

Speaker 2: 44:14

Yeah, well, and I think Travis is posted, because when we talked about it last year we kind of went by groups. I love the wide receiver group, man, I think that you know a lot of people want that big three and I get that. But I think you're going to find some good gems later on, you know, and especially if it's a situation where you're not even necessarily looking for a number one guy, but you need like a number two, I think you'll be very happy drafting later on and picking from that group for sure.

Speaker 1: 44:43

So, okay, I like that. This is.

Speaker 2: 44:43

This is pretty interesting and to the point about quarterbacks. It's interesting that we're thinking six could go in the first round but you're like we still have question marks on at least four of them, and then the drop from the group of six to the next one. You're talking like first round to like third or fourth round. You know what I mean. So, like it's, we're saying it's strong because of the beginning, but then you might not hear another name called forever. So you know, with Spencer Rattler leading the next group, oh gosh.

Speaker 1: 45:18

Well, I'm not sure if he is or not. First of all, I want to make one quick. I'm going to make a quick apology. He's probably not watching the show, so it probably ain't going to matter. I've been dismissive of a certain quarterback from Tulane by the name Michael Pratt Right dismissive of a certain quarterback from Tulane by the name Michael Pratt right, and I only watched part of one of his games last season, so I didn't see a whole bunch of stuff. But he's not even close to as bad as he's been portrayed, right he has six, three, twenty yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 45:45

He has arm strength, running, throw ability. He have four OCs in four years. Now I've seen what it looks like with a quarterback. It's not good for your development. So I'm trying to be fair. I'm trying to be fair in that regard. So he could be a steal. I don't like the double clutching that he does. That can be fixed but he has above average accuracy man. So he is a lot better than what I actually thought. I don't know about the rest of the experts out here, but I didn't know that he was as good as that. So I'm putting him back into the mix as far as being a steal in the draft.

Speaker 1: 46:19

At the same time, I don't think quarterback is the strongest position. It is strong. I think the tackle is really strong. What you got is about seven tackles probably going in the first round more than likely that's what's projected anyways and then definitely got started on day two still and you got on day three, I mean, or in the third round. These are guys that actually gonna start for you right away and that's hard to find as far as all the position spots are. So I'm going all tackle on that one.

Speaker 1: 46:48

The weakest one is probably going to be the. I really agree with the NFL Network, so we're going to go tackle on that one. The weakest one is probably going to be the linebackers. I really agree with the NFL Network. They got it right this time because the linebacker is probably the weakest and that's one of the areas that we need. So I'm kind of a bit on edge by what we're going to do there because I don't really want to trust UDFAs for linebacker help, but we need it really bad and the names and listeners out there is not really great. So if we can get Junior Colson because I know him, I know what he can do, I know about his motor. He's a three-down linebacker without any question, fantastic in coverage. He's an old-school guy. I like him. So if we can get one of those two guys, I feel good about the linebacker. That's probably the weakest spot in the entire draft to me. What's your weakest spot? I think Boise's quarterback is the weakest.

Speaker 3: 47:48

No, no, no. If you're talking position group, I was taking, I was talking actual position like right, like where he was getting drafted.

Speaker 2: 47:55

Oh so if we're talking position group.

Speaker 3: 47:58

Uh, I would agree with that.

Speaker 2: 47:59

Linebacker is pretty light coming through this draft this year yeah, man, that's rough yeah, and last week I made a point like I don't know if the running back group is weak or not, or we just don't value it anymore and nobody's even talking about it until like second or third round Cause there's a couple of teams that could use a running back, but Both things can be true.

Speaker 1: 48:19

What's?

Speaker 3: 48:19

that.

Speaker 1: 48:20

Like you said, both things can be true.

Speaker 3: 48:22

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely Well, and you know, based on one of the questions that we had coming into today, you know of gems, right, I think, the Notre Dame running back Audrey.

Speaker 2: 48:35

ETN or ETME, yeah.

Speaker 3: 48:37

I think he could Estime, sorry Estime, there we go. I do think he can be a gem in this, I think he will probably be a third rounder, but what I liked about him is he was averaging 4.3 yards after contact. That's huge.

Speaker 2: 49:00

He's been mentioned on several, several little gym draft boards and stuff like that is like somebody will pick up and nobody's. You know you don't have to reach for a running back, really either. You're going to have your pick, you know, starting second or third round.

Speaker 3: 49:15

You know, which means everybody will have a shot at him. It's a third round, probably a third round pickup Cause I don't think he's actually the highest graded in the draft as far as running backs, but I think he could be a good addition for a team Just because he doesn't go down easy. He's got a good motor low center of gravity, can take a hit and keep running. That's huge.

Speaker 1: 49:36

That's huge, probably going to be. Jonathan Brooks should be up there somewhere as far as grade.

Speaker 2: 49:43

Brooks, then Trey Benson from Florida State, then Braylon Allen from Wisconsin. And that's just one ranking. I'm just grabbing a random ranking.

Speaker 1: 49:53

Jalen Wright's up there too, I think, somewhere. I like Benson a lot man. It's a bowling ball man 4.4 speed, 6 feet, 216, got burst man, above average pass catcher. We need that kind of stuff. I'm glad he's being linked to the Giants. I know he'susive, but I don't care about that. I think we can, we can. We can work with that with him and singletary together. That's. That's a good pairing, probably mid-second round. But who knows if he even stays that long. I don't know, but we'll see.

Speaker 3: 50:21

Yeah the other gem that I had in there was um I do like the uh georgia wide receiver, um lad mcconkley mcconkley yeah, that I don't like that guy either you know he. So what I had him comp wise was kind of a um, like an amandola type of guy like he's maybe a little more speed, I guess, than with a little bit, but but not my comparison.

Speaker 3: 50:52

More had to do with uh, he's got real quick feet and he's in and out of breaks really cleanly right so he doesn't necessarily have the speed to get away from you yeah, that's, that's my thing but he has the cuts to get open right, which would be that wes welker am Amendola? Type of receiver, you know, wide receiver three slot type of guy, and so I think that's one of those kind of mid-rounds gem that you can get.

Speaker 1: 51:21

Yeah, there's some other names out there that fall in that category and that just kind of goes back, with the wide receiver being the deepest, which you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 51:27

I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 51:27

Mr Yadamini yeah, yeah, yeah, no exactly.

Speaker 1: 51:31

Roman Wilson. I'm partial to him because I think he's a game changer. Xavier Leggett I've got to see a lot of his work. The one guy I'm not sure about I want to get your guys' opinion about before we move on is Troy Franklin. Now I don't feel like he can win the ball consistently in the air. He's a speedster. He had issues with drops of the combine. I think he cleaned up a little bit at his pro day. He needs a quarterback that can throw a deep pass for sure. We can see that he creates separation in Yak. I mean he does that kind of stuff good. Release out of the box. I mean, do you guys like him, love him or you're kind of in between somewhere? How do you feel about him?

Speaker 3: 52:15

The Replacements was on TV last night so I watched that. As long as you get him some stick, he'll be good. The drops are the concern. The drops are the concern. Obviously the kid's fast, but speed only matters if you can actually get the ball.

Speaker 1: 52:35

Yeah, as far as blocking.

Speaker 2: 52:37

Ask the Raiders about drafting wide receivers who are fast and can't catch.

Speaker 1: 52:41

And he's a below-average blocker too, which is like that's the part that kind of jumps off the page. Oh my God.

Speaker 3: 52:48

Like a lot of the big speedsters are, though.

Speaker 1: 52:51

Yeah, but you got to do it on this level.

Speaker 3: 52:54

No, you do, but a lot of the like high end speedsters are not great blockers and some of them is because their launch puts them out of position, like it's not even necessarily that they don't like the block. They're almost too quick for themselves.

Speaker 1: 53:12

I'm like that's fair, Hopefully ends up in the right place. Do you like him, Herb, at all? Is he kind of a?

Speaker 2: 53:18

I was just kind of reading about him before we got on here just looking at him, because one of the articles actually had him as their number one underrated guy and it's like his profile is great but he's still falling to number nine in the wide receiver group at all. It's kind of like one of those. Yeah, if he's sitting around second, third round and I need a guy, like I said, not to be my guy or maybe not even to be my top two, it's somebody I think you take a flyer on to help make your offense a little bit better. If anything, a speedster will clear stuff out for other guys, but definitely not somebody I'm reaching for.

Speaker 1: 53:51

You know what I mean so already I want to touch this question, but already right here can tell we're almost done with the show and I have even touched a third of what I was going to talk about today.

Speaker 1: 54:06

So I know that we haven't probably going to be the recap for that too, but I still got a whole lot more. But I want to ask you a question about a quarterback from Tennessee. Don't let me forget that. But here's Trav's question. Only perhaps two or three of these guys will truly be second and third-round guys. Now I don't know who out of the six guys we're talking about consistently, a quarterback was a third-round guy. I don't think I had nobody that low. No, everybody I had at the worst was second-round. Was there a third-round guy for you guys out of that six?

Speaker 2: 54:41

No, I thought so. When we first started I thought McCarthy, penix and Nix were kind of like late first, early, you know mid-second, when we first like ended the season and before anything else was, but I didn't think any of them were falling like third. Yeah, I didn't. I thought third started with like rattler and the guy you said from two lane.

Speaker 3: 54:59

I thought third was starting, kind of there yeah, realistically, that's that's where I was too, is you know, those three were that borderline, late first, early second. But then as we started seeing the quarterback kind of you know change a little bit with quarterbacks moving around, all of a sudden it's like, oh, these guys are going to move up because now teams don't have a quarterback. It's like, oh well, they're probably drafting somebody because there's no one in the building well, I know I will go ahead and transition to that question.

Speaker 1: 55:31

I'm going'll go ahead and close out for today, but I was talking to you guys about the quarterback position and position of strength or weakness, however you show it with that last draft for the quarterbacks, I'm like it's not cute. Now I wonder if Quinn Ewers knew why he ended up at it. That's why he stayed back another year, because he probably nil money.

Speaker 2: 55:56

Keeping him at texas probably didn't hurt either.

Speaker 1: 55:58

I'm sure it didn't hurt either, but that it doesn't look great to me. So if you want a quarterback, I I highly recommend you don't wait well, yeah, I mean because what your?

Speaker 3: 56:09

prospects next year are going to be like Shador and Quinn Ewers?

Speaker 1: 56:14

I guess yeah.

Speaker 3: 56:16

so when you think of what your top quarterbacks coming out next year are they?

Speaker 1: 56:20

would be.

Speaker 3: 56:21

What Duellas?

Speaker 2: 56:23

6'7" this year right 6 or 7, maybe. Like for us, Milrow would be coming out next year and he's nowhere near, Is it? Yeah, this is it for him.

Speaker 1: 56:33

His name wasn't in that list I saw the other day. Okay, cool, so I like him better than Drew Allen.

Speaker 2: 56:39

but that's me, though. Yeah, I mean I'd have to see a lot of developments this year, Wow.

Speaker 1: 56:45

Man, if you guys want a quarterback, you better go ahead and get him this year, because next year is not looking good.

Speaker 3: 56:52

All right, Rob said my new year's over the top.

Speaker 1: 56:57

Tyrion Arnold somehow falls to 21.

Speaker 2: 57:01

Which is interesting because Kool-Aid could possibly be there at 21, and he went into the year as our better corner, and now you've seen more development from Tyrion Arnold and he's become number one out of out of those two I mean I have, you know, not maybe the whole cornerback group, but with players that we kind of know better, so that's an interesting one. So, roger, would you be disappointed with kool-aid at 21?

Speaker 1: 57:22

I thought he said he wanted kool-aid a while back yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 57:25

This is how it switched. Kool-aid was, it's kind of like, in the middle of the year, end of the year. Kool-aid was the guy for us.

Speaker 3: 57:32

I don't feel like you can go wrong. Either way is the thing. Right, right, I think both prospects are going to be good.

Speaker 2: 57:40

But this is hilarious, hilarious Russ just keeps signing $1 million contracts to stick it to the Broncos.

Speaker 3: 57:52

The thing that's funny is I've actually said've actually said that it's like, okay, you have fields for a couple of years, you got russ for a pack of big red. Yeah, rate him, get a couple more draft picks out of him, right, because now you can probably get, you know, a third and a fourth right, but you're into it for a million bucks, so who cares?

Speaker 2: 58:10

yep, which is to a lot of money to these NFL teams. They lose that in the couch cushions.

Speaker 3: 58:15

No, a hundred percent yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:18

I need you guys help on something. I don't I'm not thinking about this as far as the Giants go, but I'm just here. I've been thinking about him since he, since he left Michigan, I got to say I got a chance to see him play quite a bit and Michigan, I got a chance to see him play quite a bit and I saw what I thought was some good things. He didn't stick and stay at quarterback. Obviously, the changes were made to McCarthy and he worked out well for us. It resulted in the national championship. So you can't be mad. But what do you guys think about Joe Milton? I'm asking that because we're talking about quarterbacks and how many we can pick out of the current crop. Because we're talking about quarterbacks and kind of, you know how many we can pick out of the current crop that we think are going to do something, do you see it? I mean because is there a comp out there for him right now? Who's playing and starting in the NFL?

Speaker 2: 59:03

I was going to say Jamarcus Russell, but no, seriously. Just because of the arm strength and that's what we're building Joe Milton. He can throw 50 yards, he can throw 60 yards, but the touch and intermediate routes isn't there. He has a little more mobility than I thought he did, but I just don't see like an nfl quarterback out of milton I like the guy who they have um hooker from last year towards acl, so I guess he's with detroit and you still haven't seen.

Speaker 2: 59:31

if I was gonna a guy and maybe take a flyer on somebody that you're nearly not sure, I would go with Hendon Hooker. I thought he was a little bit better. But I think the other problem is Tennessee and if you read the reports or not, they run like six plays. So it's like the system is not preparing him at all for the NFL either. And if you look at their second half Tennessee this year they were awful. So it's kind of I don't really know what you're getting with Milton other than a strong arm. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 59:58

And there was before in the bowl game last year one of the announcers on there was like I think Milton's going to be the best quarterback in college football this upcoming year. But you just saw like a lot of boom or bust. I think his best game this year was against Alabama and then you just have a lot of mediocre to bad play from him. So it's kind of this isn't like the Alabama-Tennessee bias. This is actually like go look at what you've seen. There's nothing out there that stands out other than arm strength. No real quick.

Speaker 3: 1:00:26

No, no, no, I agree with that. Yeah, I mean it's like if you got him, you know late, right, Like if it's one of those free draft picks, yeah, you take a fire on him Right.

Speaker 1: 1:00:37

So he's not in the Pratt Rattler realm I think he'd be after that Not for me.

Speaker 3: 1:00:43

But if you pick him up as like a late fourth rounder, maybe early fifth rounder, something like that, then fine, because if you guess wrong on him, nobody's going to barbecue you for taking a quarterback in in the fourth, let's say, and he doesn't work out. They'd be like, yeah, he was a fourth rounder, makes sense.

Speaker 2: 1:01:02

Just for CBS sports has him as the number 19th ranked quarterback.

Speaker 3: 1:01:07

Yeah, I can see that. So, yeah, I mean again like fourth rounder, fifth rounder, not, you know, not disrespecting this guy at all, just uh, you, you didn't see enough out of it.

Speaker 2: 1:01:18

Yeah, fair man, I just just just wondering cause his name is sort of around a lot. I'm just because his year got cut short and he was having one of his best years. So that's an interesting one, but that's kind of like the Hinton Hooker thing Having a great year, tears, acl, late. What are you going to do? Copy that If I was going to get a Tennessee guy I would go back and see if Detroit wants to just let Hinton Hooker slide for cheap and see where he's at. Before I would take Milton.

Speaker 1: 1:01:48

Slim pickings. We'll go ahead and end with Roger's question. Then we can go ahead and close the show out Roger's asking. Why am I in this Linebacker? I know the answer to my own question. Linebacker, not me, just because I know my statistics better than anybody.

Speaker 2: 1:02:07

I'm saying linebacker. You look like the kind of guy that's.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

And to be fair, Roger, I recently lost 25 pounds.

Speaker 2: 1:02:15

I knew I saw you at the combine.

Speaker 1: 1:02:17

I knew I saw you at the combine Back to that end, to whatever you're talking about, I lost 25 pounds since the last time.

Speaker 2: 1:02:22

you probably I bet you can read a gap really well too, right, I'm saying linebacker, what?

Speaker 1: 1:02:30

are you saying Bo? I mean, I'm sure you got to take it on this too, man. What are you saying?

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

Yeah, no, I could see that. I could see that. Or, you know, I could see a in a split back situation being being a halfback. I could see that. Nah he wants to go do the hidden.

Speaker 2: 1:02:47

Mr U wants to go do the hitting. I can see it.

Speaker 3: 1:02:51

You still get to in a splitback situation, right, because you got a fullback opening a hole and then you get free reign to go blast the linebacker.

Speaker 1: 1:02:58

I wasn't going to put me in the secondary.

Speaker 2: 1:03:01

I want you up there hitting somebody. If I was in the NFL, I know what position I'd play. Water boy, you guys need some hydration, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:14

My measurements probably tell you about it all. He's going to be in the secondary. I mean 5'10" 200 pounds. They got running back to the at that same height and build. Ron is having a little too much fun this morning.

Speaker 3: 1:03:29

That's what I said. You'd be that halfback.

Speaker 1: 1:03:31

That's what I said you know you'd be. You know that halfback, that man, that man just making me love him. Thank you, brother, I like it. Can you hold that until we begin next week? Guys, wherever you are and however you're hearing it, call me Mr U the podcast. Thanks again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week. We're your weekly marriage check. Before you change the world, baby, say goodnight everybody. The pastor paid, we'll be right back.