MLMs and how they work AKA Shannon's J*ice plus experience + exogenous ketones

This week Gia, Shannon and Anna go through Shannon’s J*ice Plus journey and why she is no longer using it as well as some classic MLM tactics used to get you on board.

This episode we delve into MLMs we've experienced and why they haven't been for us including the elusive exogenous ketones.


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As followers of the keto diet, as well as women in business, we have a unique take on our lives so far.

Welcome to Keto, Fitness and Everything In Between, a weekly podcast hosted by a combo of, twenty-something-year-old best friends and digital creators, Gia, Lauren, Anna and Shannon. Each week they welcome listeners into their daily life for a special helping of the tea you’re not getting from their wildly popular Instagrams. From fun lighthearted conversations about diet and fitness to sharing their tips to help to feel more confident in business– each week you’ll be left wanting more of them! New episodes every Monday!

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Shannon - Keto influencer @_shannonslife, down 120lbs on keto

Lauren - Keto bread queen @fromkarbstoketo

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Transcript

so today we're going to talk about uh mlms which you don't know is a multi-level marketing scheme and how they have preyed on almost uh every single part of instagram at the moment uh i know i've been uh dm'd quite a few times and i know the girls have as well so uh let's talk about it i'll tell you one of the main things is actually i'm just going to go straight in there i find it quite offensive because because like people will message me and they're just going wow well weight loss is really inspiring and then i'm like right okay here we go and then i read further into the message and they're like and so i've got these supplements and you know if you're if you know anyone that's like interested in losing weight and you know i think they'd really benefit you as well when they're keto friendly and they give you ketones and it only costs this this and this much and i can send you something free and i'm like how rude like don't even go there don't even try it with me so insulting isn't it it's like oh yeah congratulations you've lost all this weight but by the way please sell my supplements using your weight loss yeah please use my link yeah my girl actually had one earlier today and they messaged me it was just like a casual message like hey how are you you've done really well like you're inspiring me to like go on and i was like oh that's really good like thank you so much for saying um you know you're in your own journey and the message back and you're like yeah i am actually um now that you've asked and then they went into this big thing and they were like trying to sell me something i was like does it really look like i need to buy any products right now like i've done it all by myself they just see you as big money like if they happen to land you they just think i mean they're probably going to use her photos anyway let's be honest so 100 percent use your shakes or supplements yeah i just love zoey so he is at great british bacon by the way and she's awesome um but yeah basically she now like watermarks all of her photos and it's just such a good idea and i don't know why i never thought of it first but just like to be honest yeah i feel like i need to make own more obvious as well because i watermark miners now but people just still take them anywhere and they just crop out the watermark or they just blur it out like it can't be painted at the bottom because people cannot stop it i know i need to start putting like transparent in the middle doesn't they

so beauty uh allegedly vegan but there's some issues around that um and it it's basically it's another you know like body shop avon but a bit more culty yeah okay yeah what are you shopping well i'm not sure about avon but the body shop one seems quite deep yeah yeah it's completely different level of but it is still multi-level marketing um but obviously like you know you you trust the products from body shop anyway so regardless of who's selling it you're still it's gonna be nice i quite like the body shop one because it's like it's a trusted brand and it's not really it's not really a pyramid scheme at all it's not like a scheme at all no it's just like a it it's quite nice actually like i quite like the body shape one because it's you literally i haven't gone for it yet but you literally get sent the products for like free at a discount rate like and you don't have to go to the shop together and it's just like it's a trusted brand but um you just worry about like how much people are actually making it's about like the hourly wage when you you know start looking at it that how much people are having to put in and even if you're getting the products that are discounted right it might not still be fair for the person that's selling it that's such a good way to look at actually i never thought of it that way i mean like for me personally i i fell for the splash trap like a few years ago when i was like 16 17 i was in school and i was just desperate to lose weight and someone approached me on this plus thing i saw it online um on my facebook page and then they messaged me and i was like right i'm sold i want to get in i want to lose weight and that kind of like jumped on my vulnerability i don't even know if i'm allowed to like say names but i'm just i'm going there i mean i kind of bleep it out if we're not allowed to but yeah okay i think is an experience so we're allowed to talk about yeah so x brand um but yeah i ended up like going and going for these shakes and initially i think i lost like five pounds and then that was it like i didn't lose any more weight but i kept on doing it because i was in the support group of people on like a facebook page and they were all sparing me on and saying how well i looked and how well i was doing that my meals look good and i was like right i'm doing this all right like it's going to work i'm going to have my moment and i ended up spending so much money on these meal replacements and i was having breakfast and lunch as a shake and then for dinner i wasn't eating hardly anything i started to become like really really tired but i ended up like selling this product myself and i don't know how i even like fell in well i do know how i fell into it because i was just totally vulnerable and i just needed people to believe in me but yeah like the pyramid selling is something that i feel very strongly about like i just do not agree with it especially when it comes to weight loss and trying to like like i'm not trying to say like it's trying to like grab people that are like at their lowest i suppose yeah like you said it's playing on people's vulnerability like you know like you were preyed on and i think it is really sad like for me it's such an unethical way of doing things but it always comes from like obviously the people that set up these companies just know what they're doing and that's where all of these problems okay like that's where they all start from that's the route because like they obviously know how to market what people need to say this is how you can get people on board this is what you should say to them and and i'm sure like there's videos on youtube where people are going undercover at these places like there's um there's a guy that does it like completely different kind of thing but entrepreneurs like entrepreneurs that say that they're entrepreneurs and you know how selling things and it's just so funny to see like the like the blatant lies that people tell yeah and like i saw like with this company as well it was like and the better you do like the more money you can earn but it was like the more money you earn the more client like people you got on board so like the more people i sold this diet to um i would make more money off them and it just it just did not sit right at me at all and it was um they'd always say about how well you could do and that you could just work from home and just become your own boss and like they kind of just sold me this like fantasy life that just wasn't real wasn't healthy and it wasn't good for me or anybody else i think that's the funny thing as well like they sell such big lucrative like lifestyles like you say work from home be your own boss you're a business owner but you're always always maybe yeah i mean who's seen the white mercedes that always gets like pushed around as like the mlm thing because it's always like oh when you get to this level then you can have uh like a white mercedes and it's gonna be all branded you could have your own house you're your own boss you've got your own business like no but it's not your own business and you're not your own boss because someone else has the company like you're just you're still someone else's employee it's so funny but it's people like how people fall into it how we fall into it but like you say it's all so well scripted to do it like it's not like i don't blame anyone for going into it because no one ever goes into it knowingly you know knowing what it's actually all about yeah no one's going into it trying to scam people uh they're just like like you said it really well shannon like people who just sold a dream and they they can just never make it a reality that's the thing yeah and then in the end i ended up just putting my heart crushed even further and then i just plummeted even more because because then when i finally came to the realization it was not working for me and i think my mum sat me down and she was like it's not really working for you i'm worried about you and then that just made me have like a whole it kind of like made me really depressed as well because i was like i could really help this now because i can see that it's working for other people well i can see that it's working for the people in inverted compass but it wasn't working for me and i was like i'm never gonna lose weight i'm never gonna be able to do it like it's never gonna work and i i felt really bad like i felt really bad against depression because of it and i feel so strongly about these things like i'm gonna try not to round too much i mean the thing is you can see on these like facebook groups when you look at the photos you're like why are they so blurry but it's because they screenshot it and screenshot it and the quality of the photo goes down so much so it's lit it's it's like from 2007 kind of like iphone quality and it's just tragic that these people are looking at like these weight loss pictures they're like oh this is me or something or like this is my friend it's like no it's not because this was shared like four years ago before so like clearly like the pitch has been stretched wide and then the afters like clearly they're sucking in because no one's rib cage sits like that like and no one's back is that straight right why are your boobs

that like really sucks you in and the advert was comical because they used to get like larger women right and they used to pull these things up but you could see before they pulled it up they all of a sudden suck in

so obviously and there was so many fake comments like oh my god these work so well but then like everyone i was like these girls are lately sucking in like how's you i don't know it's so funny though that you should say that because i literally felt that exact out there i can't even remember what these like suckling pants were called but i literally fell for it it came up on like a little mini facebook paper and i was like i need those in my life and they were in dollars and i was like i'm just gonna pay for it i'm just gonna buy them and then they came and i like i put them on and i was like that doesn't work

that's the only way that they work that's why you buy them you start using them properly obviously god well i don't need them anymore now because i've lost the weight so

i mean anything that promises that by putting you into like that piece of clothing is gonna put you down like four dress sizes is just a lie yeah also it would be so unhealthy as well even if it did work like like the typical like kardashian thing with like wage trainers and stuff and like sucking you in that is so bad for like your body and like your structure that you can't be healthy yeah like your organs must be completely crushed that's so bad for you that's why i don't eat a lot you know they've just got a place trainer on it's just so squashed oh do you my favorite one um i forget the name of the company but it was one of you know the um the mlm that does um this special toothpaste and it whitens your teeth within like a couple like a couple of cleans or whatever it's not like the charcoal one yeah it might be new skin i'm not sure but the really funny thing is like if you look closely at those before and after photos of the teeth like any teeth whitening product right have a look at the color of the lips and the skin around probably after it's so it's like the skin tones are so different it's different like this yeah and probably use them face tuned to you know the teeth but i just find i just find it so funny and i i don't know why i'm always like so analytical i'm always looking i'm like where is it

it's the same with like skincare products as well it's like on the right left here you're just wearing foundation and you're just covering it all up like you haven't got rid of your acne in two days like it's mad like things like blackhead removers do those blackhead strips they're actually meant to be really really bad for you because all they do is make you create more oil because it rips the top low of your skin off which then feels really i have dry skin so those pore strips like i'd literally use them maybe like once every couple of months or something um because i find that like my skin really struggles to like break out when it's uh it'll just like get inflamed um but i know like for people that have oily skin that's literally like their worst night there is like oh god that is literally my worst nightmare because because my skin is just oil central like with the pcos as well like my skin is just mega oil there's a there's a really good skincare routine from use anyway don't you use the ordinary yeah so i use the ordinary they're so good so that's like it's one of my favorites and i love the price fix it's so cute but the best one is dermalogica like my skin has never been better with dermalogica like yeah it's so expensive but it just works so well but saying that it's expensive like it doesn't work out that bad because i get the double cleanse for oily skin and then i get like i get the clear start so it's just i think it's designed for like teenage skin but i still use it anyway they're moisturizer it is so good that routine and it lasts for three months although it's expensive when you first buy it it lasts for three months so yeah it's really good i think the thing to remember with things like that as well like it's more of an investment like after your skin might use your body for life isn't it it's the same with shoes and beds like they're the only other things that you should like really really invest in because nothing better than a good night's sleep and you know you're on your feet all day yeah and i think like definitely um taking dairy out of my diet really helped my skin um i know i might still like sneak in a bit of daring here and there oh on the whole yeah i mean balsam just calls me you know um i do but taking the dairy out like my skin just cleared up massively that's amazing so and there's a really good um vegan keto instagrammer i think school keto vegan queen and her acne it was like majorly cystic and then literally within like i don't think it was like six months or something her acne like almost disappeared wow that's great it's just like lowering inflammation in general and you know obviously about this might helps with that and um obviously like you've got your skin care routines all down so yeah i think it's really interesting with dairy like i think most people are intolerant to dairy if you don't have an actual reaction to it like right i feel like we've got a bit off track i feel like we need to like get a little bit more light-hearted because

um sorry anna mlms

so that was what we were talking about shall we just like she'll just go for pre and i just don't like him i mean i haven't tried them personally so i'm not going to comment on their effectiveness however um from the research that i've read into it um and from talking to other people their experiences like your ketones will go up and then they'll go back down especially if you're still eating carbs on at the same time i know that the the scripted dm is to say you can be in ketosis and still eat carbs but that's not scientifically accurate yeah it's another lie again isn't it yeah yeah the reason that people will potentially fall for it is because like you say it does actually put ketones into your body and you can do a pee stick afterwards or you know test your ketones after drinking it and it's like oh look it actually is working in places but like you say it's not elastic it's not a lasting effect it's not a solution it's not a quick way to get into quito i think the thing that gets me the most is like you're paying for this you're paying the things your body makes they're gonna save life also they are so expensive like they are on a different level than like juice plus and shakeology or whatever the other one is um yeah the whole point of keto that half the point of heat is to have a healthier mindset on the food and like do it yourself like not just a drink for you yeah but yeah did you guys see um zoe's story on this the other day like she just hit the nail on the head like i watched the whole story talking about it and she's just basically saying like yes you can put ketones in your body and if you take a pee stick it's going to show that you're in ketosis but you're not in ketosis like it's not a true you're not truly inconsistent it's a false reading yeah yeah definitely yeah it's just tricking it i mean obviously if you are in keto and then you're also having exogenous ketones you're gonna still be in keto either way it's it's literally like having a cup of coffee you like and what is cheaper a cup of coffee or exogenous ketones i mean what were they like for 12 slashes like 90 pounds well do you know what i loki think a little bit so you know how when you can get people to do things like i think there's a film on this and it's like you know they get the person like to kill a fly the more things that you can do then it was like you eat the fly the more like you build it up and up and up and that's why i think they start with i'll send you some free sachets or oh here here's a you know a five-day trial for x amount to you know 30 pound or whatever and i'll include some p-sticks if you try it out you you let me know exactly but the more that you can get somebody to do something like the more agreeable i guess they are so like you can get people to pay 90 pounds because i think they already know they're not going to hit everyone because not everyone is going to pay 90 pound not everyone's got 90 pounds and most people are switched on but those few that are willing 90 percent they know that they'll be able to mold them to make for them to sell these products at 90 pound and get other ger i mean like it's like a it's almost like appreciation i mean especially like with the whole mental health claims as well uh where they're saying how it's like kid my depression regardless of whether it you know it obviously works for some people um or you know whatever you might think um but if it truly if it truly works why isn't everyone having i don't get why it would work though if you're still eating carbs and even if they're worked it's just getting rid of it i just i don't understand it i don't understand scientifically how it works i mean to be honest like if you're still eating carbs and you have exogenous ketones you're just going to pee them out like you're just not you're just not in ketosis if you're eating carbs like if you're even if you're drinking ketones you're just not going to be in ketosis like oh yeah you'll just have like a period in this you know of like 1.4 or something but you're never going to get like super high because if you're eating carbs like your body will prefer to use glucose that's just like that's just what our bodies do and whether or not that is good or bad for us you know that's their first step because that is the easiest and quickest way to get energy you know yeah so yeah it's another sad one isn't it again i just feel sorry for the people caught up in the people that fall for the you know let's just have a let's have a quick trial let's see what it's all about and you know it's just almost like as soon as they've got the claws on them and it's just so easy to be like misled on especially on instagram as well because it's just everywhere it's just all over it and it's just so easy to just kind of go down that road and like i don't even blame people going down the road because sometimes like like pre-keto like i was just even if people would message me things like that i would think about it like i'd still consider it because it just seemed so believable but that's the thing like as you i guess you have like a social media maturity like the longer you've been on social media the more you speak through everything and i mean this is why like you know young girls have got really bad mental this is personally what i think anyway like young girls have you know worse mental health and guys as well because they have these perfect images of people just shown to them all day like that's their content that they're engulfing whereas we didn't have that as much like we had magazines and stuff which i mean it wasn't like a constant feed that we had attached to it all day and i think where the issue lies i think it's really promising now that so many people are just showing like real versus instagram reality versus instagram but yeah i think that's like one of the biggest issues and i think as well um so many influencers now they have such little credibility like you have people with large followings that are just selling anything to make a bit of cash for themselves and it's there but because people follow these people and admire them like like you say it's just believable for the people yeah like going go back to what you just said about like with like young girls and mental health as well like i posted before and after the day and i just i don't know if you guys read the caption but i had to put on it i was like because obviously i'm weight loss and i speak a lot about weight loss on my account i just had to put it out there that like although i'm posting this before and after photo that does not define me like being smaller and losing so much weight does not equate it does not make me more desirable or beautiful or anything because i did i've been getting messages from some people saying it's quite toxic of you to be posting before and after pictures and telling people that's how they should be and that's how they should look and i was like yeah i did actually take a step back and i did actually take it on board now initially i got angry because i was like that's not what i'm doing that's not what i'm doing but then actually i did have to kind of take it on board and kind of think about it like and that's kind of sad because like all i want to do is share my success and inspire motivate other people that want to lose weight so you know i always bang on about losing weight for health but it's kind of sad that people are like they're jumping from the bandwagon of it being you shouldn't be posting before and after photo at all and it's sad that i can't just like have my own success about my own wins yeah yeah at the same time i think especially people who have been following you for a long time like they understand that and yeah men are probably just people that you know haven't really taken the time to understand who you are and what you're about so i think a lot of the time you have to take some of these things with a pinch of salt absolutely don't you're not your page isn't 100 transformation photos like you share your wins and it's amazing and you've got to do it and so you should because you've done such an incredible job and you're inspiring so many people by sharing it as well thank you i think as well like you shared so many etf so much about health and your health journey as well like your page is more of like a lifestyle page like yeah i literally call it it used to be shannon lee underscore fitness but i just changed it to shannon's life because i was like i don't want to bang on just about just fitness all the time like yeah i mean you're in the same like boat as me like where trying to like move into like more health and lifestyle rather than just yeah just kind of be transparent and just kind of like show that i'm a human and i'm not just like a robot that all i think about us all the time all day every day because i don't like i still love my life and i've got other aspects of my life yeah i mean you were posting in hospital as well which i thought was really really like real and honest and

yeah you can't see a lot of people doing that thanks guys keep it real shannon keeping it real keeping it transparent yeah it's definitely the best way yeah but you also raise your credibility that you're not perfect 100 of the time and people can relate to you more oh nobody is like when you go on instagram life isn't just like the little perfectly post squares like life isn't just in instagram or facebook or whatever like life isn't like that like everyone has their own struggles and everyone goes through like crap and like even me like and i don't know if you guys were the same like you can be you can be successful with weight loss but you still like you can still have your moments where you just feel like crap about yourself and you still feel like you're not you want to do better i think everyone goes through everyone because i think as well like when you succeed so much in like one area it's like you want it to transfer to everything i mean i know like myself that i had quite a big social media burnout um i feel like i was taking way too much on um and by the time i tried to like kind of get back into it i was like oh well i should i can't post that now like i haven't posted in weeks what am i going to say i'm posting months what am i going to say like but like to be brutally honest like if i hadn't had that social media burnout i don't really know where i would have been today like would i have still been posting like these perfect little um squares of meals like would i even have still been doing keto would have just been taking photos of stuff and just saying it was keto because i didn't want to get judged yeah so what did you just take some time out of interesting yeah i i did that like i must have not posted like six to eight months or you know it's like posting really really random sporadic photos like i just i just got to a point where like i was just posting so much about fitness and then my life turned away from just being about fitness and more into like business and then i was like right i feel like i'm living like a dual life but i'm not really sharing part of it so then i was like i came back and like i've not changed my hand although i've just changed my name and like my bio and stuff it's like it's a bit more lifestyle-y now and business-y but i'm loving seeing parts of people's lives because i just think it just kind of shows they're just a person like there's a small person i love seeing your business stuff as well anna like oh thanks yeah i want to do i want to share um so much more about business because i'm really passionate about like helping other people do their own thing as well because like you can agree like just doing your own thing is just it's just so much more empowering and it's just so much more fun and it's not if like there's something for everyone to do even if it's in like the same even you know it's a saturated market like there is a piece of the market for everyone for whatever you want to do and to be honest i feel like that's why this podcast can exist because what's missing from the market is real i i understand that there are podcasts that are saying about um experiences with keto and low carb but they're not kind of bringing it all together i think that's why i love talking to you guys so much though because you just kind of like you guys literally gave me life i talk to you guys more than sometimes like literally the people in front of me because i feel like where we've all gone on the same like diet and like weight loss journey or fitness or whatever we all kind of have like we share the same mindset but like you girls just like lift me up and you keep them so positive but sometimes if i'm sad i'll just message like one of you or laura and all like the like group chat we've got and you're all just you're just so bloody funny yeah i i resonate with it because like i just feel like since taking back to quito and this community like i just feel like i found my tribe yeah like we are we are a little tribe yeah it's like a great fit and i feel like it really enhanced my day-to-day in my life as well because like you said it's just mixing with people of the same mindset and you know being able to chat business and ideas and get different perspectives it's just awesome alongside the support which is just insane i feel like you guys literally know me inside now as well i was completely blown away when like after so i feel like we've been talking about me a lot here as well but like after this but i can't believe you guys are all chipped in and i can't believe those british chew biscuits you got me like there's little things like that like i've been speaking to you guys for like a matter of like weeks and months like yeah i mean i mean for us it was literally like two weeks for us yeah like in the grand scheme of things we haven't actually been talking for that long amount of time like we haven't even i don't think we've said how we've all met yet have we it's kind of like oh yeah we missed that one out yeah so we kind of all got started talking well i started talking to everybody literally at the beginning of lockdown i think must have been i can't remember where the whether which group chat it was that we all started like chatting in or whether because it i know shannon you've said that you were uh in like mostly like the u.s community for a while because i i had honestly never heard of you um i'd i've seen heard of um anna just threw like lauren and other people uh but you were quite like a new addition yeah everyone said the same thing they were like oh where's she come from because when i started keto i went on instagram obviously it's so big out in america i was just chatting to american people i still have my americans on it that i speak to but i feel like lockdown literally just brought me closer to everybody like local man from the homeland yeah i don't know but yeah so we have actually never officially met i guess this um me and um shannon have facetimed um but like aside from that like this is this is like our first little meet up get together again yeah yeah just didn't get together it's very socially distanced through a screen um but i know that like we are quite excited for november where we can kind of see everyone um i know personally it can be like quite daunting to meet people from the instead like in real life i kind of feel like i literally i'm buzzing like you i feel like i've already met you guys to be honest like i talk to you guys every day that i'm just so excited to meet you like properly like in person i'm hoping by that time as well i think i can actually give you guys a hug it's gonna be i can't imagine a meet up like socially distance but i need to like i need to hug you guys i need to have a drink with you guys yeah it's kind of yeah but isn't it crazy like a community to like do this this is what the internet brings you like just like-minded people yeah and it was like going back to the other day when last week or whatever computer community gets stick for being like aggressive or whatever but like we're all just such like a bunch of great friends like we're all just like happy people i mean to be fair i don't think uh joshua nutrition just shouting you out there um was ready for the onslaught that was all of us little groups and being like well it actually worked for us hun like you you stop right there you take a step back and i think the issue with him well two issues number one on like you get keto nazis like there isn't every single you know community i mean like there are people like that that spoil it for everyone and just give it a bad name so that is one issue and then you've got people that are just so close-minded that have made their mind up what this you know diet or lifestyle looks like just based on a few anecdotes you know that they've heard over the time and um just get this you know i mean like it's such a bad action and you know obviously just general bad attitude anyway like there was no convincing that guy no like sometimes there was just kind of like i don't even know why i went there because there was just no point because with people like that you can just tell that they're not even open to understanding um because i feel like it just goes a long way when you can actually sit down and have a conversation with someone and just kind of like be open to what they have to say like if anyone approaches me i'll always be open-minded and like listen to what i've got to say and then i'll make my own mind but i feel like yeah i feel like he just couldn't say anything because he wasn't he just didn't have the education behind it to like understand it was all for clout anyway like why why don't you put why would you write that on a white board and then put it in a keto tag like if you truly don't believe in ketosis

as i used you clearly just don't want i just wanted that like like there is clearly no conversation but um yeah people uh people are great just people baffle me on the internet we've got our own tribe put the walls up

i mean going back to like the mlms like i feel like the the bit like tribe especially like to be honest i'm really disappointed in there's their new store keto mania and they're doing like the bolero iced tea with like sachets they're selling the ketones i might i understand that you're a business but like come on ethics they're probably posted on they probably started with ketones and like you know probably started selling for prove it and then thought oh if i can sell these i still love things i feel like just it's just literally just about educating yourself like just because something's got the word keto on it doesn't mean it's actually keto like it's not supplements yeah i can't remember who said it but just because it like someone said like there's no such thing as a keto food i think yeah there isn't oh i saw that to you that said that there's a lot of keto diet she posted something yeah yeah i think i i think i just get all my information from lauren's stories oh my god i love learning so much i love them every day i like what i do is i like to save a story up and then i like have a binge i just watch three or more yeah i think that was like really true because and again you know josh like he doesn't understand that keto is just starving himself

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