{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":104.691,"endTime":107.703,"body":"Yeah, and your green meter is looks healthy."},{"startTime":111.646,"endTime":113.648,"body":"Is that how they say it in your?"},{"startTime":113.648,"endTime":116.00800000000001,"body":"You've got some healthy green levels."},{"startTime":116.00800000000001,"endTime":117.86,"body":"You got a good green meter."},{"startTime":117.86,"endTime":118.905,"body":"Let me see."},{"startTime":118.905,"endTime":123.015,"body":"not bumping up to the yellow or the red, and you're healthy green."},{"startTime":124.766,"endTime":125.717,"body":"How about now?"},{"startTime":126.642,"endTime":127.821,"body":"Yeah, all right."},{"startTime":127.821,"endTime":132.438,"body":"I'm going to stop farting around with my machinery."},{"startTime":132.53300000000002,"endTime":134.893,"body":"Dude, of course your microphone is your cover to it."},{"startTime":134.893,"endTime":136.953,"body":"It just has some flair to it, you 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before they've texted the first message"},{"startTime":272.686,"endTime":282.109,"body":"in the chat, you're notified that you've been added to that chat, right?"},{"startTime":282.45,"endTime":287.912,"body":"The funniest thing about this, Mike, is watching everybody scramble to try to explain."},{"startTime":288.06,"endTime":292.204,"body":"Like all the different explanations is fucking hilarious to me because like frankly."},{"startTime":293.165,"endTime":294.747,"body":"Listen, I'm going to come clean."},{"startTime":294.747,"endTime":297.309,"body":"I have texted."},{"startTime":297.53000000000003,"endTime":300.493,"body":"I have accidentally texted people."},{"startTime":300.493,"endTime":306.038,"body":"fact, Mike, I've meant to text just you and texted other people."},{"startTime":306.999,"endTime":308.1,"body":"Accidentally."},{"startTime":308.245,"endTime":310.81,"body":"Well, because we're in so many group threads 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this."},{"startTime":413.287,"endTime":415.12899999999996,"body":"I've got 40 on signal."},{"startTime":415.39,"endTime":419.193,"body":"Yeah, I got a lot of little red dots all over the place."},{"startTime":419.764,"endTime":420.635,"body":"95 on Yelp."},{"startTime":420.635,"endTime":422.176,"body":"Why do I have any on Yelp?"},{"startTime":423.248,"endTime":427.753,"body":"You know, what's the Yelp notifying me about, you know?"},{"startTime":428.675,"endTime":434.393,"body":"I, this is the first I'm hearing that a grown man has a Yelp app."},{"startTime":434.393,"endTime":435.525,"body":"You have the Yelp app?"},{"startTime":435.525,"endTime":436.81399999999996,"body":"There's a Yelp app?"},{"startTime":436.81399999999996,"endTime":439.82599999999996,"body":"I mean, don't you use it for like restaurants and shit?"},{"startTime":444.772,"endTime":449.45599999999996,"body":"Well, are there many up and coming restaurants where you are at?"},{"startTime":452.94,"endTime":453.252,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":453.252,"endTime":456.685,"body":"But like when I travel a lot and when I travel, don't."},{"startTime":457.887,"endTime":462.542,"body":"Like when I travel, here are the two ways I find a restaurant."},{"startTime":462.542,"endTime":464.865,"body":"No, guess there's three ways I find a restaurant."},{"startTime":464.865,"endTime":465.655,"body":"You ready?"},{"startTime":467.545,"endTime":477.24899999999997,"body":"Way number one is I say to like the person when I'm checking into like a either a hotel or"},{"startTime":467.545,"endTime":477.24899999999997,"body":"like a Airbnb, Hey, any good restaurants?"},{"startTime":477.34999999999997,"endTime":480.995,"body":"that's, that's method number one, right?"},{"startTime":483.259,"endTime":493.37899999999996,"body":"Method number two is I go to the nearest bar, which is like, I'm not a great confession,"},{"startTime":483.259,"endTime":493.37899999999996,"body":"but 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man."},{"startTime":553.9830000000001,"endTime":558.143,"body":"It's like, I'm starting to pick up little glitches in the matrix."},{"startTime":558.143,"endTime":559.963,"body":"And I think that's a glitch in the matrix."},{"startTime":559.963,"endTime":564.301,"body":"I think the signal thread thing is a glitch in the matrix and"},{"startTime":564.301,"endTime":565.359,"body":"be, gotta be."},{"startTime":565.359,"endTime":571.4680000000001,"body":"So, you no matter what side you voted for, like, you can, you can acknowledge that that's"},{"startTime":565.359,"endTime":571.4680000000001,"body":"a fucking glitch."},{"startTime":573.715,"endTime":575.856,"body":"Is it can't like, right?"},{"startTime":575.8760000000001,"endTime":578.628,"body":"Can't we just be like, hey, this thing is really weird."},{"startTime":578.628,"endTime":588.3230000000001,"body":"like it keeps like the explanations are like a bunch of like like a like one of those"},{"startTime":578.628,"endTime":588.3230000000001,"body":"dudes on the Dave Letterman show that spinning plates, right?"},{"startTime":588.6840000000001,"endTime":598.239,"body":"It's like they keep they keep they keep coming up with these weird explanations like,"},{"startTime":588.6840000000001,"endTime":598.239,"body":"there will there's nothing there's nothing, you know, there's no confidential what's"},{"startTime":598.239,"endTime":601.4300000000001,"body":"what's what I'm looking for here, like classified, there's no classified information."},{"startTime":601.4300000000001,"endTime":602.1120000000001,"body":"yeah."},{"startTime":604.3520000000001,"endTime":606.8340000000001,"body":"And then it's like, well, it seems like there is."},{"startTime":607.2940000000001,"endTime":609.932,"body":"And then they released the thread."},{"startTime":609.932,"endTime":612.008,"body":"It was like, it seems classified."},{"startTime":612.008,"endTime":618.0830000000001,"body":"And it's 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thread."},{"startTime":643.9680000000001,"endTime":649.1610000000001,"body":"You have to go into the thing and look at it and be like, okay, who's this, who's this,"},{"startTime":643.9680000000001,"endTime":649.1610000000001,"body":"who's this?"},{"startTime":649.6020000000001,"endTime":654.806,"body":"I think most people have the experience of being like, who's on this text thread?"},{"startTime":654.806,"endTime":657.787,"body":"Whether it's through signal or messaging or whatever."},{"startTime":658.888,"endTime":662.5310000000001,"body":"But dude, all of this stuff is that then then,"},{"startTime":662.791,"endTime":667.562,"body":"Then people are like, well, this guy's a, he's a, he's a creator of a hoax."},{"startTime":667.562,"endTime":668.7030000000001,"body":"He's a failed journalist."},{"startTime":668.7030000000001,"endTime":670.2230000000001,"body":"He's a, he pedals trash."},{"startTime":670.2230000000001,"endTime":675.7950000000001,"body":"And it's like, okay, but you 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yeah, he didn't doctor it."},{"startTime":704.7750000000001,"endTime":706.307,"body":"He didn't try to blackmail them."},{"startTime":706.307,"endTime":708.629,"body":"They, didn't do the things that they're accusing him."},{"startTime":708.629,"endTime":712.5310000000001,"body":"He's just like, Hey, this is weird, right?"},{"startTime":713.552,"endTime":715.094,"body":"I shouldn't be on this thread, right?"},{"startTime":715.094,"endTime":717.5550000000001,"body":"Like, do you want to, can you remove me please?"},{"startTime":719.7710000000001,"endTime":730.113,"body":"Could you imagine, I mean, I'm sure maybe he said something, I haven't seen it anywhere,"},{"startTime":719.7710000000001,"endTime":730.113,"body":"but could you just imagine what his reaction must have been as like a reporter who you"},{"startTime":730.113,"endTime":737.25,"body":"live for these moments when you are in the inside scoop and you get added to the text"},{"startTime":730.113,"endTime":737.25,"body":"thread?"},{"startTime":737.5160000000001,"endTime":741.143,"body":"He had to think he was getting pranked, right?"},{"startTime":741.666,"endTime":743.7700000000001,"body":"Maybe he thought he was hacked."},{"startTime":743.7700000000001,"endTime":744.462,"body":"Like am I hacked?"},{"startTime":744.462,"endTime":746.205,"body":"Is my phone hacked?"},{"startTime":747.8770000000001,"endTime":750.767,"body":"his friends all playing some joke on him so I'm like..."},{"startTime":750.767,"endTime":754.869,"body":"Yeah, yeah, like all of his buddies like changed, but here's the thing."},{"startTime":756.5300000000001,"endTime":769.836,"body":"God, it shows a fundamental, like it shows a fundamental like misunderstanding of how"},{"startTime":756.5300000000001,"endTime":769.836,"body":"Signal works because you are responsible for how you appear on Signal, right?"},{"startTime":769.836,"endTime":777.739,"body":"Like JD Vance couldn't put me into his contacts as like Daffodil."},{"startTime":778.283,"endTime":784.0260000000001,"body":"And then was like, I show up on Signal as who I am claiming to be, right?"},{"startTime":784.0260000000001,"endTime":791.801,"body":"Like, so there's a thing about like, I don't know how he got into my phone or like the one"},{"startTime":784.0260000000001,"endTime":791.801,"body":"Mike Waltz said that thing where he was like, well, we've all had it happen where you put"},{"startTime":791.801,"endTime":795.9480000000001,"body":"someone else's number under someone else's name."},{"startTime":795.9480000000001,"endTime":798.008,"body":"I was like, no, nobody has ever done that."},{"startTime":798.008,"endTime":799.495,"body":"What are you talking about?"},{"startTime":800.524,"endTime":803.84,"body":"Wait, you know what he said?"},{"startTime":803.84,"endTime":811.6930000000001,"body":"I put nicknames in, like you're in there as Wildcat now, like, you know, I put 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know how sometimes you'll put somebody else's number under another person's contact"},{"startTime":839.2230000000001,"endTime":849.543,"body":"information as if like that's a thing that we've all done."},{"startTime":849.543,"endTime":853.2030000000001,"body":"Like I've got Mike in my phone, you Mike, you're in my phone."},{"startTime":853.2030000000001,"endTime":860.803,"body":"And then I put someone's number, like I put my friend Tim, I put his number in your"},{"startTime":853.2030000000001,"endTime":860.803,"body":"contact."},{"startTime":860.803,"endTime":864.423,"body":"I can't even explain how fucked up this explanation is."},{"startTime":864.423,"endTime":865.0830000000001,"body":"Like what?"},{"startTime":865.0830000000001,"endTime":866.183,"body":"What are you talking about, dude?"},{"startTime":866.183,"endTime":867.5630000000001,"body":"It doesn't even make sense."},{"startTime":870.1120000000001,"endTime":873.7280000000001,"body":"man, just like a..."},{"startTime":873.7280000000001,"endTime":875.4770000000001,"body":"man, man, I guess."},{"startTime":875.4770000000001,"endTime":887.216,"body":"Mike, the best part of it though, was listening to this morning, I was listening to the"},{"startTime":875.4770000000001,"endTime":887.216,"body":"president and he goes, he goes, look, it looks like there was a mistake made here."},{"startTime":888.1170000000001,"endTime":889.4380000000001,"body":"Also could be a bad signal."},{"startTime":889.4380000000001,"endTime":890.5690000000001,"body":"You know, that happens too."},{"startTime":890.5690000000001,"endTime":891.62,"body":"Just could be a bad signal."},{"startTime":891.62,"endTime":894.562,"body":"That's what president Donald Trump said this morning."},{"startTime":894.643,"endTime":896.0630000000001,"body":"I quoted it."},{"startTime":897.825,"endTime":898.4960000000001,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":898.4960000000001,"endTime":905.6510000000001,"body":"So he's talking about the leak of a signal text messaging"},{"startTime":905.6550000000001,"endTime":923.2750000000001,"body":"chat thread held between high ranking officials in the information and defense world using"},{"startTime":905.6550000000001,"endTime":923.2750000000001,"body":"the app called Signal, using the text messaging app called Signal."},{"startTime":924.095,"endTime":925.7750000000001,"body":"And Donald Trump, which I don't blame him, dude."},{"startTime":925.7750000000001,"endTime":927.595,"body":"I he's fucking 79 years old."},{"startTime":927.595,"endTime":934.5150000000001,"body":"I don't expect him to be like, I don't, I struggle with technology, but it is very, very"},{"startTime":927.595,"endTime":934.5150000000001,"body":"good comedy."},{"startTime":934.763,"endTime":938.705,"body":"that in an interview he said, that could be it's just a bad signal."},{"startTime":938.705,"endTime":939.7650000000001,"body":"You know, that happens 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happened."},{"startTime":964.278,"endTime":965.1610000000001,"body":"That's what I'm saying, man."},{"startTime":965.1610000000001,"endTime":968.331,"body":"It's just like, you know, it's a cosmic wink."},{"startTime":968.4340000000001,"endTime":969.556,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":969.5980000000001,"endTime":970.7230000000001,"body":"That's what I'm taking it for."},{"startTime":970.7230000000001,"endTime":973.628,"body":"it's funny dude, it's so freaking funny."},{"startTime":973.85,"endTime":974.7900000000001,"body":"Wow."},{"startTime":975.433,"endTime":977.7370000000001,"body":"Anyway, other than that, how you doing man?"},{"startTime":978.907,"endTime":979.787,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":980.0680000000001,"endTime":989.1160000000001,"body":"It's been a minute since we talked on this, not since we talked, but since we talked on"},{"startTime":980.0680000000001,"endTime":989.1160000000001,"body":"this and yeah, I'm trying to think of way more to share because it's been, I think it's"},{"startTime":989.1160000000001,"endTime":991.508,"body":"been a pretty eventful couple of weeks."},{"startTime":991.69,"endTime":995.6160000000001,"body":"We've been having some pretty funny times, haven't we?"},{"startTime":995.9580000000001,"endTime":1002.528,"body":"I guess we should, should we just talk about like me, should we just talk about me texting"},{"startTime":995.9580000000001,"endTime":1002.528,"body":"you the other night?"},{"startTime":1003.1310000000001,"endTime":1004.4300000000001,"body":"That would be fun, wouldn't it?"},{"startTime":1004.4300000000001,"endTime":1005.177,"body":"Should we talk about that?"},{"startTime":1005.177,"endTime":1008.5630000000001,"body":"You're talking about with the song?"},{"startTime":1009.7470000000001,"endTime":1010.6080000000001,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":1010.6080000000001,"endTime":1012.691,"body":"Yeah, I would love to talk about that."},{"startTime":1013.4540000000001,"endTime":1015.466,"body":"So describe where you were at this moment."},{"startTime":1015.466,"endTime":1027.386,"body":"okay, well, so I'm on a, let's see, I'm doing just kind of a solo journey and went into"},{"startTime":1015.466,"endTime":1027.386,"body":"some really weird places."},{"startTime":1027.386,"endTime":1029.086,"body":"I'm alone."},{"startTime":1030.866,"endTime":1035.349,"body":"completely disconnected from there's, there's just nobody."},{"startTime":1035.609,"endTime":1044.716,"body":"And I get in my head that I've kind of, that I've got to record some music."},{"startTime":1044.716,"endTime":1048.46,"body":"Like I, it's like, man, I'm, I gotta do this."},{"startTime":1048.46,"endTime":1049.493,"body":"are you laying down right now?"},{"startTime":1049.493,"endTime":1052.054,"body":"You're like laying down, you're in the journey and then."},{"startTime":1052.054,"endTime":1052.955,"body":"I'm in the journey."},{"startTime":1052.955,"endTime":1054.805,"body":"I'm laying down."},{"startTime":1054.805,"endTime":1062.903,"body":"I actually have a full blown face mask on and I've got my noise canceling earbuds in."},{"startTime":1062.903,"endTime":1063.874,"body":"I'm just listening to it."},{"startTime":1063.874,"endTime":1069.228,"body":"A hobby of mine is I'll purchase the license."},{"startTime":1069.889,"endTime":1071.65,"body":"I'll purchase beats."},{"startTime":1072.211,"endTime":1076.5529999999999,"body":"People will make beats and then they'll sell them on the open market and I'll buy beats."},{"startTime":1076.5529999999999,"endTime":1079.95,"body":"I'm loving these beats that you purchased."},{"startTime":1080.5819999999999,"endTime":1081.554,"body":"It was so good."},{"startTime":1081.554,"endTime":1087.394,"body":"so you can just lay there listening to these beats and sometimes they, they are good for"},{"startTime":1081.554,"endTime":1087.394,"body":"inspiration, right?"},{"startTime":1087.394,"endTime":1089.6100000000001,"body":"They're sometimes they're like, man, this beats like speaking to me."},{"startTime":1089.6100000000001,"endTime":1091.44,"body":"Let me, let me see if I can get down on it."},{"startTime":1091.461,"endTime":1096.7340000000002,"body":"Anyway, so I'm just listening to this set of beats that I've bought, you know, I've spent"},{"startTime":1091.461,"endTime":1096.7340000000002,"body":"like a hundred bucks on that."},{"startTime":1096.7340000000002,"endTime":1100.796,"body":"I these beats and I'm dude, Mike, not no joke."},{"startTime":1100.796,"endTime":1108.6580000000001,"body":"I'm in it completely like dissolved and I've face mask ear, like noise canceling earbuds,"},{"startTime":1100.796,"endTime":1108.6580000000001,"body":"like"},{"startTime":1108.6580000000001,"endTime":1115.681,"body":"They're not only am I alone, I'm also like alone in the whole universe and listening to"},{"startTime":1108.6580000000001,"endTime":1115.681,"body":"this music and it's just like in my whole body."},{"startTime":1116.481,"endTime":1125.2150000000001,"body":"And I just suddenly get this idea of like, shit, dude, I've I've got so much inspiration"},{"startTime":1116.481,"endTime":1125.2150000000001,"body":"and creativity rolling through me right now."},{"startTime":1125.2150000000001,"endTime":1132.678,"body":"I've got to get out of bed and set up my microphone and plug it into my phone and get"},{"startTime":1125.2150000000001,"endTime":1132.678,"body":"these beats going in my headphones and sing."},{"startTime":1132.678,"endTime":1138.01,"body":"I'm going to sing all these lyrics that are coming to me because I understand the whole"},{"startTime":1132.678,"endTime":1138.01,"body":"universe."},{"startTime":1139.8310000000001,"endTime":1147.362,"body":"And so sure enough, I start singing and using like auto tuner and rapid, all the sorts of"},{"startTime":1139.8310000000001,"endTime":1147.362,"body":"crazy shit, right?"},{"startTime":1147.806,"endTime":1148.967,"body":"Yeah, uh-huh."},{"startTime":1149.8500000000001,"endTime":1161.66,"body":"And then somehow I figure out that I also know how to thank God, like speaking of like"},{"startTime":1149.8500000000001,"endTime":1161.66,"body":"signal chats and drunk texting, I wasn't drunk, but like altered state of consciousness."},{"startTime":1162.141,"endTime":1174.012,"body":"Somehow I only reach out to you, Mike, which thank the God, thank God that I only reached"},{"startTime":1162.141,"endTime":1174.012,"body":"out to you because like, you know, I was in not a good state of like putting phone down,"},{"startTime":1174.012,"endTime":1175.5230000000001,"body":"fucking phones down type of thing."},{"startTime":1175.5230000000001,"endTime":1176.664,"body":"You know what I mean?"},{"startTime":1177.255,"endTime":1180.317,"body":"So yeah, I get a text from you pretty slow."},{"startTime":1180.497,"endTime":1188.902,"body":"Yeah, I get a text and this is like, okay, it's 1040 my time at night, which means it's"},{"startTime":1180.497,"endTime":1188.902,"body":"1140 your time."},{"startTime":1188.902,"endTime":1190.193,"body":"And usually I don't get a text from you that late."},{"startTime":1190.193,"endTime":1192.757,"body":"Usually you're going to bed pretty, this is also Monday."},{"startTime":1192.757,"endTime":1193.901,"body":"Like I go to bed at nine."},{"startTime":1193.901,"endTime":1196.5900000000001,"body":"I'm an early kind of guy."},{"startTime":1197.522,"endTime":1205.265,"body":"And I was little surprised because I mean, you know, I was traveling back from Utah that"},{"startTime":1197.522,"endTime":1205.265,"body":"day and you tried calling me, but I was, know, and then, and then finally when I got"},{"startTime":1205.265,"endTime":1208.606,"body":"things, got home, got things cleaned up was at the apartment."},{"startTime":1209.566,"endTime":1210.807,"body":"I was like, it's too late."},{"startTime":1210.807,"endTime":1211.617,"body":"Doug's going to be in bed."},{"startTime":1211.617,"endTime":1214.1480000000001,"body":"can't, you know, call him back or text him or anything."},{"startTime":1214.1480000000001,"endTime":1221.03,"body":"And then I'm, I'm watching the season finale of severance and I'm like, that was a great"},{"startTime":1214.1480000000001,"endTime":1221.03,"body":"episode."},{"startTime":1221.03,"endTime":1223.29,"body":"Yeah, we better talk about that too."},{"startTime":1223.29,"endTime":1223.923,"body":"Anyway, go ahead."},{"startTime":1223.923,"endTime":1224.7150000000001,"body":"Yeah, continue."},{"startTime":1224.7150000000001,"endTime":1226.807,"body":"But I crack and I'm pretty sober."},{"startTime":1226.807,"endTime":1228.477,"body":"I just cracked open one of these."},{"startTime":1228.714,"endTime":1231.97,"body":"I have started ordering these cannabis drinks."},{"startTime":1231.97,"endTime":1236.884,"body":"And so it's just a little five milligram cannabis drink with some Lion's Mane, which 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