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text after So not very long after that 20 minutes later you text me I let the"},{"startTime":857.5390000000001,"endTime":872.839,"body":"vampires in I'm just like Mike is not even Mike is going deep into this movie I know that"},{"startTime":872.839,"endTime":875.9010000000001,"body":"this is gonna touch every like every box."},{"startTime":875.9010000000001,"endTime":882.225,"body":"It's gonna tick every single box on the mic Checklist of what makes an amazing incredible"},{"startTime":875.9010000000001,"endTime":882.225,"body":"fucking movie"},{"startTime":882.404,"endTime":890.0880000000001,"body":"yeah, no, think it's been, I mean, one of my favorites that I've seen in recent memory or"},{"startTime":882.404,"endTime":890.0880000000001,"body":"ever."},{"startTime":890.128,"endTime":899.034,"body":"Like if I checked all my boxes, I mean, from the beginning with that to just the way they"},{"startTime":890.128,"endTime":899.034,"body":"built it all up with the 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watching"},{"startTime":924.1700000000001,"endTime":934.667,"body":"the studio as well on Apple plus or whatever, um, where it's, I guess I'm watching a lot"},{"startTime":934.667,"endTime":944.192,"body":"lately where it's like this thing about art versus like commercial commercialization of"},{"startTime":934.667,"endTime":944.192,"body":"art and, know, uh, the,"},{"startTime":944.306,"endTime":950.966,"body":"the soul that you're trying to tap into in making art, but then the vampires you attract"},{"startTime":944.306,"endTime":950.966,"body":"along the way."},{"startTime":951.989,"endTime":954.432,"body":"Like the, you know what mean?"},{"startTime":954.8330000000001,"endTime":956.615,"body":"I was just film that."},{"startTime":956.801,"endTime":958.0630000000001,"body":"Yeah, big time."},{"startTime":958.0630000000001,"endTime":968.5680000000001,"body":"mean, you know, for me, it's so funny you're saying that, because like for me, who"},{"startTime":958.0630000000001,"endTime":968.5680000000001,"body":"watched, you know, the first whatever portion of it, thinking it was a movie about racism."},{"startTime":969.249,"endTime":971.1500000000001,"body":"I mean, obviously it's still about race."},{"startTime":971.1500000000001,"endTime":978.214,"body":"Obviously there's still like a real racial element to it, but it's much more than that to"},{"startTime":971.1500000000001,"endTime":978.214,"body":"me."},{"startTime":978.214,"endTime":983.7370000000001,"body":"It's almost like the way that they end, let's see, creativity and soul combining."},{"startTime":983.7370000000001,"endTime":985.028,"body":"combating systems of oppression."},{"startTime":985.028,"endTime":987.359,"body":"See, that's okay, perfect, Seth."},{"startTime":987.44,"endTime":996.6260000000001,"body":"So to me, the racism was thrown in as like, well, yeah, there's gonna be this as another"},{"startTime":987.44,"endTime":996.6260000000001,"body":"layer to this type of thing."},{"startTime":996.947,"endTime":1011.917,"body":"But sincerely, what you, Mike, are talking about, what Seth is in the chat talking about"},{"startTime":996.947,"endTime":1011.917,"body":"is the taking of culture and the creativity that comes with that and..."},{"startTime":1012.153,"endTime":1014.533,"body":"and mostly the way to profit off of it."},{"startTime":1014.533,"endTime":1015.2330000000001,"body":"Do you know what I mean?"},{"startTime":1015.2330000000001,"endTime":1026.253,"body":"So there's a big thing about, I know the vampires, gotta invite them in and all that kind"},{"startTime":1015.2330000000001,"endTime":1026.253,"body":"of stuff, but the money aspect and the we want your money, we can build, or we want your"},{"startTime":1026.253,"endTime":1028.493,"body":"music, we can build on this."},{"startTime":1028.713,"endTime":1038.913,"body":"It was a lot more than just the racial thing for me, because it was about stealing and"},{"startTime":1028.713,"endTime":1038.913,"body":"profiting, like monetizing, like the monetization of everything."},{"startTime":1039.071,"endTime":1040.412,"body":"Everything is monetized."},{"startTime":1040.412,"endTime":1041.042,"body":"Do you know I mean?"},{"startTime":1041.042,"endTime":1050.288,"body":"Like they're fucking doing the river dance like this uh By the way a bunch of a bunch of"},{"startTime":1041.042,"endTime":1050.288,"body":"vampires doing a doing a fire lit river dance is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my"},{"startTime":1050.288,"endTime":1059.654,"body":"life a second greatest thing I've ever seen in my life second only to that scene where the"},{"startTime":1050.288,"endTime":1059.654,"body":"dudes playing the guitar and it's like mixing all of the music from every culture and"},{"startTime":1059.654,"endTime":1061.095,"body":"Future and past and present."},{"startTime":1061.095,"endTime":1062.436,"body":"It's like what this is the great."},{"startTime":1062.436,"endTime":1064.157,"body":"What is the fuck is going on here?"},{"startTime":1064.157,"endTime":1064.504,"body":"Yeah"},{"startTime":1064.504,"endTime":1074.19,"body":"is so, you know, whether or not this ends up being one of my favorite films of all time,"},{"startTime":1064.504,"endTime":1074.19,"body":"that scene I think might be my favorite scene in any movie I've ever seen."},{"startTime":1076.312,"endTime":1083.797,"body":"Like those moments, it just tapped me into those moments when like you're playing music"},{"startTime":1076.312,"endTime":1083.797,"body":"and you feel like you can see your future self past."},{"startTime":1083.797,"endTime":1086.459,"body":"Like it feels like you're just bridging all of the realms."},{"startTime":1086.459,"endTime":1093.934,"body":"And when that guy pulled out that electric guitar and then it's zooming into the crowd and"},{"startTime":1086.459,"endTime":1093.934,"body":"you have some people in the crowd from like different cultures and different"},{"startTime":1094.1000000000001,"endTime":1108.4840000000002,"body":"uh like timelines even and people are doing modern dance with ancient dance it just and"},{"startTime":1094.1000000000001,"endTime":1108.4840000000002,"body":"then like the the cabin sort of uh burns down uh not like metaphorically or whatever and"},{"startTime":1108.4840000000002,"endTime":1120.268,"body":"so then they're just standing there just like dancing in this it just was primal and"},{"startTime":1108.4840000000002,"endTime":1120.268,"body":"timeless and and but one of the things was interesting with the art piece uh"},{"startTime":1120.894,"endTime":1128.57,"body":"So it was her going out to get money from the white people that ended up inviting them in."},{"startTime":1128.75,"endTime":1145.044,"body":"So it's also that tension with the creativity of like, look, without the money, without"},{"startTime":1128.75,"endTime":1145.044,"body":"the funding, without the studios, we've talked about movie and TV shows, uh without um"},{"startTime":1145.044,"endTime":1150.654,"body":"Disney and Paramount and Apple, this art doesn't get made."},{"startTime":1150.654,"endTime":1158.307,"body":"But what price do you pay by getting, know, when making a deal with the devil in that"},{"startTime":1150.654,"endTime":1158.307,"body":"case?"},{"startTime":1158.307,"endTime":1164.929,"body":"Well, it's so funny to hear you say that, then, listen, I've been obsessed with this movie"},{"startTime":1158.307,"endTime":1164.929,"body":"Sinners."},{"startTime":1164.929,"endTime":1178.823,"body":"so looking at all the reading, all of the reviews, reading about uh the director's deal"},{"startTime":1164.929,"endTime":1178.823,"body":"that he made and how it's getting a lot of speculation and scrutinization in Hollywood."},{"startTime":1178.823,"endTime":1186.731,"body":"It's like, you're talking very much about this of like, he made sure to bake into his"},{"startTime":1186.731,"endTime":1188.963,"body":"his deal about this movie."},{"startTime":1188.963,"endTime":1190.655,"body":"Like it's like fucking layered, man."},{"startTime":1190.655,"endTime":1201.7450000000001,"body":"Like I sound like such a dork right now, but like he built in their inability to"},{"startTime":1190.655,"endTime":1201.7450000000001,"body":"completely steal it from him and profit off of it."},{"startTime":1201.7450000000001,"endTime":1204.729,"body":"mean, there's, know, studios still making a shitload of money on this thing."},{"startTime":1204.729,"endTime":1206.239,"body":"It's just one over $200 million."},{"startTime":1206.239,"endTime":1211.844,"body":"But he gets a big piece of that on the back end, which I just think is beautiful."},{"startTime":1211.844,"endTime":1212.876,"body":"Yeah, go ahead, Mike."},{"startTime":1212.876,"endTime":1213.596,"body":"too."},{"startTime":1213.596,"endTime":1221.116,"body":"Well, one of the things that Seth points out here, which I love Seth says and creativity"},{"startTime":1213.596,"endTime":1221.116,"body":"coming through cultural connections, heritage and indigenous traditions."},{"startTime":1221.116,"endTime":1225.416,"body":"Also the love and light fucking vampires are too damn funny."},{"startTime":1226.036,"endTime":1231.856,"body":"Feels like they created a literal shadow collective to represent the actual shadow"},{"startTime":1226.036,"endTime":1231.856,"body":"collective Mike is talking about."},{"startTime":1232.276,"endTime":1240.492,"body":"And isn't it, I found that interesting when they were talking about it's we're all one,"},{"startTime":1232.276,"endTime":1240.492,"body":"we're all, know, so it is like, um,"},{"startTime":1241.441,"endTime":1245.428,"body":"I think there's just a lot you can pull from this."},{"startTime":1245.6100000000001,"endTime":1248.526,"body":"And Seth, by the way, if you want to hop on and join us, you're welcome to."},{"startTime":1248.526,"endTime":1249.6580000000001,"body":"Just let us know."},{"startTime":1249.6580000000001,"endTime":1250.98,"body":"We've never done that"},{"startTime":1254.361,"endTime":1255.904,"body":"I know there's a way."},{"startTime":1256.771,"endTime":1265.1580000000001,"body":"So speaking of that, speaking of that comment or that question, what decision are you"},{"startTime":1256.771,"endTime":1265.1580000000001,"body":"making?"},{"startTime":1265.1580000000001,"endTime":1266.219,"body":"Are you joining the vampires?"},{"startTime":1266.219,"endTime":1275.266,"body":"You know, the dude at the end, like Buddy Guy, I don't know who, I can't remember the"},{"startTime":1266.219,"endTime":1275.266,"body":"guy's name, but the dude that's like at the end and he's the old man that's been playing"},{"startTime":1275.266,"endTime":1279.199,"body":"sweet music for 60 years or whatever it is."},{"startTime":1280.8210000000001,"endTime":1284.044,"body":"I mean, the vampires still win, right?"},{"startTime":1284.044,"endTime":1285.885,"body":"I mean, I guess I'm confused."},{"startTime":1286.445,"endTime":1289.518,"body":"Like, what's the, what is the moral of the story?"},{"startTime":1289.518,"endTime":1291.434,"body":"Like, the vampires win, right?"},{"startTime":1291.454,"endTime":1300.272,"body":"Well, I think you can sit in a little bit of they do, but then he also, I mean, he, well,"},{"startTime":1291.454,"endTime":1300.272,"body":"he goes on and, and, and lives right."},{"startTime":1300.272,"endTime":1303.315,"body":"And, sings, he doesn't give up the guitar at the end."},{"startTime":1303.315,"endTime":1309.921,"body":"He keeps it and you know, it flashes forward 60 years later and he's still playing."},{"startTime":1309.921,"endTime":1310.8020000000001,"body":"He's still singing."},{"startTime":1310.8020000000001,"endTime":1317.798,"body":"Um, you know, what I was kind of getting at the end is this thing about like,"},{"startTime":1319.132,"endTime":1322.534,"body":"A lot of it came down to that Spider-Man thing for us, man."},{"startTime":1322.534,"endTime":1324.435,"body":"That first mushroom journey."},{"startTime":1324.435,"endTime":1331.479,"body":"So the first mushroom journey, Doug and I were, you we've talked about, we've probably"},{"startTime":1324.435,"endTime":1331.479,"body":"talked about this moment, it bears repeating here."},{"startTime":1331.692,"endTime":1334.021,"body":"Uh, we're in the journey."},{"startTime":1334.021,"endTime":1338.123,"body":"We're sitting around listening to Mountain Tribe play music all night."},{"startTime":1338.123,"endTime":1339.184,"body":"And it's just beautiful."},{"startTime":1339.184,"endTime":1342.986,"body":"Meanwhile, 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chair most of the night."},{"startTime":1408.464,"endTime":1409.204,"body":"felt bad for you."},{"startTime":1409.204,"endTime":1412.064,"body":"You were like in lotus position the whole night."},{"startTime":1414.084,"endTime":1417.344,"body":"You stayed there from like 1 a.m."},{"startTime":1417.344,"endTime":1419.4370000000001,"body":"to 6 a.m."},{"startTime":1419.4370000000001,"endTime":1422.5,"body":"yeah, couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't not, you know?"},{"startTime":1422.5,"endTime":1432.99,"body":"But anyway, so the dude sits down and it's not like, so like, know, Eric, you all know"},{"startTime":1422.5,"endTime":1432.99,"body":"that I think that Mountain Tribe, Eric's music is like my favorite music."},{"startTime":1432.99,"endTime":1434.997,"body":"Like he's just such a gasone hair."},{"startTime":1435.0520000000001,"endTime":1438.155,"body":"And I'm like doing mushrooms for the first time ever."},{"startTime":1438.155,"endTime":1439.736,"body":"And I'm a little bit drunk 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bit."},{"startTime":1467.752,"endTime":1468.682,"body":"You and I don't know the songs."},{"startTime":1468.682,"endTime":1470.303,"body":"We're like, what the hell is going on?"},{"startTime":1470.303,"endTime":1472.124,"body":"But we're just like into it."},{"startTime":1472.224,"endTime":1473.891,"body":"Dude sits down and he's like,"},{"startTime":1473.891,"endTime":1476.082,"body":"Do you guys want to hear hallelujah?"},{"startTime":1476.082,"endTime":1477.363,"body":"Like that's like the thing."},{"startTime":1477.363,"endTime":1481.694,"body":"Like there's something very important to me that that's the song that he wanted to play"},{"startTime":1477.363,"endTime":1481.694,"body":"was hallelujah."},{"startTime":1481.694,"endTime":1484.636,"body":"Cause it's like, there's infinity versions of that song."},{"startTime":1484.636,"endTime":1488.031,"body":"Such a beautiful song that like everybody, it's like exactly what we're fucking talking"},{"startTime":1484.636,"endTime":1488.031,"body":"about."},{"startTime":1488.031,"endTime":1492.209,"body":"It's like everybody knows that song hallelujah."},{"startTime":1492.209,"endTime":1495.71,"body":"I heard there was a secret code, you know that song."},{"startTime":1495.71,"endTime":1498.2060000000001,"body":"And so he plays that one."},{"startTime":1498.2060000000001,"endTime":1501.613,"body":"And one of the people singing was like, you you ready to truly go there bud?"},{"startTime":1501.613,"endTime":1502.729,"body":"And so like,"},{"startTime":1502.729,"endTime":1510.8110000000001,"body":"Then we just sit in here the most beautiful rendition of hallelujah that's ever been Auto"},{"startTime":1502.729,"endTime":1510.8110000000001,"body":"harmonizing people singing along it was amazing."},{"startTime":1510.8110000000001,"endTime":1524.775,"body":"But the dude that was in the spider-man outfit talented as he was shrunk into the night"},{"startTime":1510.8110000000001,"endTime":1524.775,"body":"because he was like, wow, I brought stage energy to something that's like uh connectivity"},{"startTime":1525.075,"endTime":1529.1570000000002,"body":"Like creativity like being here for each other type of energy."},{"startTime":1529.1570000000002,"endTime":1530.137,"body":"Is that a fair way to say it?"},{"startTime":1530.137,"endTime":1530.7740000000001,"body":"I also"},{"startTime":1530.7740000000001,"endTime":1531.525,"body":"it is."},{"startTime":1531.525,"endTime":1540.171,"body":"And um it reminded me like when the vampires initially at the door played their little"},{"startTime":1531.525,"endTime":1540.171,"body":"song and it's like, and it's good, it's catchy."},{"startTime":1540.491,"endTime":1545.785,"body":"But it's missing that like soul at the beginning, know, that uh especially that first one"},{"startTime":1540.491,"endTime":1545.785,"body":"they sing."},{"startTime":1545.785,"endTime":1548.05,"body":"It's like, it's, well, it's interesting."},{"startTime":1548.05,"endTime":1550.97,"body":"I feel like their songs get more soulful the more."},{"startTime":1550.97,"endTime":1551.912,"body":"get better."},{"startTime":1551.912,"endTime":1561.267,"body":"Their songs get better the more vampires they make because they're like now mixing and"},{"startTime":1551.912,"endTime":1561.267,"body":"matching and bringing some of that like different cultural music into their fucking songs"},{"startTime":1561.267,"endTime":1561.8690000000001,"body":"to the point."},{"startTime":1561.8690000000001,"endTime":1562.3400000000001,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1562.3400000000001,"endTime":1569.603,"body":"it's where they're singing that like river dancing at the end and everyone's like,"},{"startTime":1562.3400000000001,"endTime":1569.603,"body":"everyone's dancing and the that's holy shit."},{"startTime":1569.603,"endTime":1573.785,"body":"That scene with the vampires dancing with it is so fucking good."},{"startTime":1574.285,"endTime":1587.651,"body":"But so I think you can look at it in this blending of like soul and spirit and how, you"},{"startTime":1574.285,"endTime":1587.651,"body":"know, just like internally, we can look at it externally, but internally we often try to"},{"startTime":1587.731,"endTime":1589.938,"body":"mine the unconscious for"},{"startTime":1589.938,"endTime":1591.429,"body":"like our egoic gains, right?"},{"startTime":1591.429,"endTime":1596.423,"body":"So we can be like the soul and we're also the vampire within our own way."},{"startTime":1596.423,"endTime":1605.361,"body":"And especially like in Western culture where we exploit nature, we mind nature for, we"},{"startTime":1596.423,"endTime":1605.361,"body":"vampire off of nature."},{"startTime":1605.361,"endTime":1608.0420000000001,"body":"We're not in this reciprocal relationship."},{"startTime":1608.2630000000001,"endTime":1612.316,"body":"But yet there needs to be a blending of soul and spirit."},{"startTime":1612.316,"endTime":1618.105,"body":"You you need both of them and soul being, am I making sense with that or?"},{"startTime":1618.105,"endTime":1618.806,"body":"Yeah, keep going."},{"startTime":1618.806,"endTime":1619.5,"body":"you talking about?"},{"startTime":1619.5,"endTime":1621.7640000000001,"body":"I just, I've lost my train of thought."},{"startTime":1622.42,"endTime":1623.1970000000001,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1623.1970000000001,"endTime":1629.719,"body":"ask you this question, because then I think we need to address, I think we probably need"},{"startTime":1623.1970000000001,"endTime":1629.719,"body":"to talk to Seth, because I'm interested in what he..."},{"startTime":1630.132,"endTime":1631.054,"body":"I look at you do that."},{"startTime":1631.054,"endTime":1632.2050000000002,"body":"That's kind of cool."},{"startTime":1633.267,"endTime":1636.772,"body":"Oh, but I guess we're not."},{"startTime":1637.101,"endTime":1640.092,"body":"What the f- why is this showing up on the screen?"},{"startTime":1640.092,"endTime":1642.6570000000002,"body":"don't know, we're trying to figure out how work this."},{"startTime":1642.6570000000002,"endTime":1661.343,"body":"Okay, so here's what I want to ask you Mike because because okay Olivia Rodrigo Nosferatu"},{"startTime":1642.6570000000002,"endTime":1661.343,"body":"Sinners and a thing that you frequently ask me Is are you ask if you're a vampire?"},{"startTime":1661.843,"endTime":1668.075,"body":"What that like dude vampires are like a big part of your year"},{"startTime":1669.026,"endTime":1669.99,"body":"I guess they are, huh?"},{"startTime":1669.99,"endTime":1672.6190000000001,"body":"I didn't really think about it until now."},{"startTime":1673.357,"endTime":1676.3300000000002,"body":"Mike, you ask me if you're a vampire."},{"startTime":1676.69,"endTime":1677.8880000000001,"body":"Hahaha"},{"startTime":1677.9750000000001,"endTime":1681.266,"body":"When we're tripping, you're like, do you think I'm a vampire?"},{"startTime":1684.137,"endTime":1686.6000000000001,"body":"I've had those moments, if I get, you know."},{"startTime":1686.6000000000001,"endTime":1688.757,"body":"what makes you think like when that when that comes up for you?"},{"startTime":1688.757,"endTime":1690.0610000000001,"body":"What are you thinking about?"},{"startTime":1690.0610000000001,"endTime":1691.825,"body":"Energy like what are you thinking about?"},{"startTime":1692.52,"endTime":1697.6000000000001,"body":"I feel like sometimes I can suck people's energy in a good way."},{"startTime":1697.6000000000001,"endTime":1699.713,"body":"In a good way, but you know."},{"startTime":1699.833,"endTime":1703.905,"body":"okay, yeah, because there's like energy vampires, know, or thing and you're not one of"},{"startTime":1699.833,"endTime":1703.905,"body":"those."},{"startTime":1703.905,"endTime":1705.769,"body":"Yeah, that's why I was curious."},{"startTime":1706.474,"endTime":1715.069,"body":"but I guess the point I'm trying to make, and this is a tension I sit in, uh, a bit, you"},{"startTime":1706.474,"endTime":1715.069,"body":"know, and especially now with us starting to like record our music."},{"startTime":1715.069,"endTime":1726.575,"body":"Um, how do you record, how do you do it in a way that, example, like I'm really liking the"},{"startTime":1715.069,"endTime":1726.575,"body":"show, the studio."},{"startTime":1726.575,"endTime":1734.819,"body":"Cause it shows that tension within Hollywood about like, look, we want to, we, we, we say"},{"startTime":1726.575,"endTime":1734.819,"body":"we're champions of art."},{"startTime":1734.819,"endTime":1736.232,"body":"We want to."},{"startTime":1736.232,"endTime":1740.174,"body":"bring on talented filmmakers and respect their vision."},{"startTime":1740.174,"endTime":1742.4850000000001,"body":"But also we just bought the rights to the Kool-Aid franchise."},{"startTime":1742.4850000000001,"endTime":1745.737,"body":"And so we need to make a Kool-Aid movie."},{"startTime":1745.737,"endTime":1756.2830000000001,"body":"And look, I know you're gonna write um a heart-wrenching movie about your transgender dad,"},{"startTime":1745.737,"endTime":1756.2830000000001,"body":"but like, are people gonna watch it?"},{"startTime":1756.2830000000001,"endTime":1766.008,"body":"I'd go watch that movie, I like watching that movie, but unless it has a superhero, you're"},{"startTime":1756.2830000000001,"endTime":1766.008,"body":"not like, you know, so that tension of making art that matters."},{"startTime":1766.3020000000001,"endTime":1768.7540000000001,"body":"versus making art that's going to be seen."},{"startTime":1768.875,"endTime":1773.299,"body":"And sometimes, like in this case, you get one that it blends both perfectly."},{"startTime":1773.299,"endTime":1776.621,"body":"This movie is going to be seen and it is being seen."},{"startTime":1777.082,"endTime":1782.087,"body":"And it is, I think, a brilliant piece of art."},{"startTime":1782.087,"endTime":1785.1290000000001,"body":"you know, there's a tension with that."},{"startTime":1786.701,"endTime":1799.845,"body":"Yeah, and it's funny because like, gosh, using the studio to bridge it is such a good one"},{"startTime":1786.701,"endTime":1799.845,"body":"because like, you're right, I took my son to see Thunderbolts today, like the new literal"},{"startTime":1799.845,"endTime":1800.7450000000001,"body":"superhero movie."},{"startTime":1800.7450000000001,"endTime":1802.864,"body":"It was great, it was fucking fantastic."},{"startTime":1802.864,"endTime":1806.006,"body":"It's like, like, okay."},{"startTime":1807.287,"endTime":1816.6490000000001,"body":"You know how they say on the poster or on the commercials, the best Marvel thing since"},{"startTime":1807.287,"endTime":1816.6490000000001,"body":"Endgame?"},{"startTime":1818.182,"endTime":1819.7350000000001,"body":"Yeah, uh-huh."},{"startTime":1819.7350000000001,"endTime":1820.527,"body":"It is."},{"startTime":1820.598,"endTime":1821.538,"body":"Yeah, it's great."},{"startTime":1821.538,"endTime":1822.818,"body":"It's amazing."},{"startTime":1823.199,"endTime":1826.29,"body":"It restored my faith in superhero movies, to be honest with you."},{"startTime":1826.29,"endTime":1827.761,"body":"Like, I really loved it."},{"startTime":1827.8210000000001,"endTime":1838.025,"body":"And it's the exact, well, I mean, they throw little bit of like the mental, you know, kind"},{"startTime":1827.8210000000001,"endTime":1838.025,"body":"of game in there, but like, it's just every superhero movie."},{"startTime":1839.326,"endTime":1846.755,"body":"Peppered with heart and action and a little bit of good times and comedy and humor, you"},{"startTime":1839.326,"endTime":1846.755,"body":"know?"},{"startTime":1846.755,"endTime":1849.026,"body":"But I want to get back to this comment that Seth is making."},{"startTime":1849.026,"endTime":1849.452,"body":"Can we?"},{"startTime":1849.452,"endTime":1851.612,"body":"say I'm actually wondering if we can just bring Seth on."},{"startTime":1851.612,"endTime":1854.172,"body":"I'm trying to figure out how to do it."},{"startTime":1854.172,"endTime":1855.332,"body":"I do too, because."},{"startTime":1855.332,"endTime":1857.365,"body":"to just go up his ass."},{"startTime":1857.365,"endTime":1859.79,"body":"I'm about to take him down with this comment."},{"startTime":1859.79,"endTime":1863.534,"body":"I've wanted you to you go up Seth's ass for a long time."},{"startTime":1866.6490000000001,"endTime":1868.53,"body":"I'm trying to figure out how to do it though."},{"startTime":1869.453,"endTime":1870.654,"body":"It said you could do it."},{"startTime":1870.654,"endTime":1872.396,"body":"oh"},{"startTime":1873.891,"endTime":1874.9650000000001,"body":"Well, maybe we might be able to..."},{"startTime":1874.9650000000001,"endTime":1876.903,"body":"So let me just read it, Seth, if that's okay."},{"startTime":1876.903,"endTime":1878.223,"body":"And then maybe you can..."},{"startTime":1878.223,"endTime":1881.8600000000001,"body":"send him a link to how we can do it too."},{"startTime":1882.155,"endTime":1890.121,"body":"Okay, well see I want him listening to what I'm gonna ask him while he's not like, do"},{"startTime":1882.155,"endTime":1890.121,"body":"think he can be doing double duty?"},{"startTime":1890.121,"endTime":1891.988,"body":"Because I can't do double duty."},{"startTime":1891.988,"endTime":1892.971,"body":"He knows."},{"startTime":1894.337,"endTime":1896.723,"body":"Okay, so here's what he, I'll read what he said."},{"startTime":1898.637,"endTime":1903.55,"body":"Love the light and also the love and light fucking vampires are too damn funny."},{"startTime":1903.55,"endTime":1911.564,"body":"Feels like they created a literal shadow collective to represent the actual shadow"},{"startTime":1903.55,"endTime":1911.564,"body":"collective that Mike is talking about."},{"startTime":1911.644,"endTime":1917.4270000000001,"body":"And then he says, the collective changed when the one guy controlling it dies."},{"startTime":1917.4270000000001,"endTime":1918.3880000000001,"body":"Question mark?"},{"startTime":1918.3880000000001,"endTime":1919.012,"body":"I'm not sure."},{"startTime":1919.012,"endTime":1919.768,"body":"that a question?"},{"startTime":1919.768,"endTime":1922.8500000000001,"body":"It seems like the vampires are different somehow."},{"startTime":1922.8500000000001,"endTime":1928.511,"body":"So I guess Seth's probably got totally, like the collective change, like he's probably"},{"startTime":1922.8500000000001,"endTime":1928.511,"body":"like, he's like saying this with like some"},{"startTime":1928.511,"endTime":1929.373,"body":"sense of audacity."},{"startTime":1929.373,"endTime":1935.396,"body":"Like the collective change when the one guy controlling it dies seems like the vampires"},{"startTime":1929.373,"endTime":1935.396,"body":"are different somehow."},{"startTime":1935.396,"endTime":1938.182,"body":"I don't think the vampires are different, are they?"},{"startTime":1938.182,"endTime":1939.784,"body":"Other than their outfits."},{"startTime":1939.784,"endTime":1944.38,"body":"they seem maybe, but like the after credits scene?"},{"startTime":1944.461,"endTime":1946.034,"body":"Yeah, were they different?"},{"startTime":1946.986,"endTime":1948.2,"body":"I mean they were nice."},{"startTime":1948.2,"endTime":1951.741,"body":"They didn't go and eat him."},{"startTime":1952.387,"endTime":1957.224,"body":"Right, but wasn't that because of like the big, it was a plot device."},{"startTime":1957.224,"endTime":1960.82,"body":"It was like part of the whole like, it was part of the whole, there he is."},{"startTime":1960.82,"endTime":1962.5520000000001,"body":"Look at that, look at that beautiful man."},{"startTime":1962.5520000000001,"endTime":1963.9940000000001,"body":"Hi Seth, can you hear us?"},{"startTime":1965.1770000000001,"endTime":1965.674,"body":"All right."},{"startTime":1965.674,"endTime":1966.626,"body":"Can you hear me all right?"},{"startTime":1966.626,"endTime":1969.0810000000001,"body":"I don't have any audio, anything set up."},{"startTime":1970.046,"endTime":1970.837,"body":"Great."},{"startTime":1972.545,"endTime":1972.9850000000001,"body":"So..."},{"startTime":1972.9850000000001,"endTime":1974.7450000000001,"body":"Oh, your levels look pretty good there Seth."},{"startTime":1974.7450000000001,"endTime":1976.2250000000001,"body":"Hey, hey, hey, levels!"},{"startTime":1978.945,"endTime":1989.765,"body":"So Seth, sounds like you and Mike are on the same page and what I thought was going to be"},{"startTime":1978.945,"endTime":1989.765,"body":"us going on the attack, it seems like the two of you are going to attack me here."},{"startTime":1989.765,"endTime":1999.445,"body":"So I'm ready to defend myself, So yeah, the two of you are going on my ass instead of the"},{"startTime":1989.765,"endTime":1999.445,"body":"other way around."},{"startTime":1999.565,"endTime":2003.7250000000001,"body":"I was gonna have to split my dick in two and go both your asses right now."},{"startTime":2003.7250000000001,"endTime":2005.085,"body":"Well, I guess I'm going to have to do that right now."},{"startTime":2005.085,"endTime":2005.865,"body":"Let's go."},{"startTime":2005.865,"endTime":2006.945,"body":"Bring it on, boys."},{"startTime":2007.0430000000001,"endTime":2009.452,"body":"So I'm curious, do you think the vampires changed?"},{"startTime":2009.452,"endTime":2011.66,"body":"I think the whole point of the story is that nothing fucking 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dark."},{"startTime":2183.102,"endTime":2185.4959999999996,"body":"I was like, it's just shadow work."},{"startTime":2185.4959999999996,"endTime":2186.1259999999997,"body":"It's art."},{"startTime":2186.1259999999997,"endTime":2187.047,"body":"It's shadow work."},{"startTime":2187.047,"endTime":2197.725,"body":"Like we got to do that as a collective, you know, it gives us an opportunity to like"},{"startTime":2187.047,"endTime":2197.725,"body":"process some real shit, you know, we got to face the darkness too, you know."},{"startTime":2198.006,"endTime":2198.866,"body":"Anyway."},{"startTime":2199.1169999999997,"endTime":2205.805,"body":"Yeah, dude, that's a thing that we all face a little bit, right?"},{"startTime":2209.209,"endTime":2213.031,"body":"trying to heal from toxic religious shame."},{"startTime":2213.431,"endTime":2217.8729999999996,"body":"We get into the love and light because, but I think that's just getting into the 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wall."},{"startTime":2306.0809999999997,"endTime":2307.292,"body":"He seems super famous."},{"startTime":2307.292,"endTime":2309.745,"body":"It's Buddy Guy, one of the greatest guitar players of all time."},{"startTime":2309.745,"endTime":2319.629,"body":"So it's like, it's like they come in and they're like, look, we're still alive and we're"},{"startTime":2309.745,"endTime":2319.629,"body":"still the same age as we were in 1932 when you thought you had killed us all off."},{"startTime":2319.629,"endTime":2324.4629999999997,"body":"but we look even better today than we did then because we're in like hip late eighties,"},{"startTime":2319.629,"endTime":2324.4629999999997,"body":"nineties clothes, dude."},{"startTime":2324.4629999999997,"endTime":2325.634,"body":"Look how sweet we look."},{"startTime":2325.634,"endTime":2326.9649999999997,"body":"And Michael B."},{"startTime":2326.9649999999997,"endTime":2332.319,"body":"Jordan's character looks like the fly-ass motherfucker in town and Haley Steinfeld's"},{"startTime":2326.9649999999997,"endTime":2332.319,"body":"character looks hot as shit."},{"startTime":2332.319,"endTime":2333.841,"body":"And they're like, Hey, are you ready?"},{"startTime":2333.841,"endTime":2336.0519999999997,"body":"Like we're, still want your music, dude."},{"startTime":2336.0519999999997,"endTime":2339.015,"body":"We still want to take this whole concept of taking your music."},{"startTime":2339.015,"endTime":2340.6659999999997,"body":"And he's like, no, I'm not ready yet."},{"startTime":2340.6659999999997,"endTime":2343.408,"body":"I want to keep playing for people cause I really like it."},{"startTime":2343.408,"endTime":2347.491,"body":"And I've built this whole life around it and I'm rich now and I own a club and look at me."},{"startTime":2347.4919999999997,"endTime":2348.562,"body":"And they're like, okay."},{"startTime":2348.562,"endTime":2349.337,"body":"Well I made that."},{"startTime":2349.337,"endTime":2358.2169999999996,"body":"Okay, we'll keep honoring our promise that I made to my twin brother over 60 years ago,"},{"startTime":2349.337,"endTime":2358.2169999999996,"body":"but we're still gonna keep doing vampire shit."},{"startTime":2358.277,"endTime":2362.497,"body":"And we're still gonna keep growing and expanding and we still can't go around in the"},{"startTime":2358.277,"endTime":2362.497,"body":"daytime."},{"startTime":2362.497,"endTime":2363.6969999999997,"body":"We still have to be invited in."},{"startTime":2363.6969999999997,"endTime":2369.2369999999996,"body":"And it's still like this whole concept of we want your money and we're going to take it"},{"startTime":2363.6969999999997,"endTime":2369.2369999999996,"body":"when you die."},{"startTime":2369.2369999999996,"endTime":2371.1169999999997,"body":"Like we want that guitar."},{"startTime":2371.6169999999997,"endTime":2372.437,"body":"Yeah, we want your 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the right time type of thing."},{"startTime":2487.91,"endTime":2490.011,"body":"it's dubious where they got all this money."},{"startTime":2490.011,"endTime":2497.2039999999997,"body":"They infer that they stole the money, that there's going to be Irish and Italian mobsters"},{"startTime":2490.011,"endTime":2497.2039999999997,"body":"after them."},{"startTime":2497.2039999999997,"endTime":2503.7259999999997,"body":"And they're talking about how the only way that the Irish and the Italians legitimize"},{"startTime":2497.2039999999997,"endTime":2503.7259999999997,"body":"themselves was through organized fucking crime."},{"startTime":2503.7259999999997,"endTime":2504.437,"body":"Do you know what I mean?"},{"startTime":2504.437,"endTime":2505.957,"body":"And it's like, but when"},{"startTime":2516.027,"endTime":2517.9869999999996,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":2517.9869999999996,"endTime":2518.957,"body":"fucking way."},{"startTime":2518.957,"endTime":2531.3709999999996,"body":"And so it's like, for me, it becomes this really super, like I'm too stupid to put it into"},{"startTime":2518.957,"endTime":2531.3709999999996,"body":"words and I'm probably getting it wrong, but inevitable is what it, like for me, it's"},{"startTime":2531.3709999999996,"endTime":2532.1609999999996,"body":"like,"},{"startTime":2547.4629999999997,"endTime":2549.1859999999997,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":2549.1859999999997,"endTime":2553.2189999999996,"body":"about like pre Christianity, he's talking about, you know, Rome."},{"startTime":2553.279,"endTime":2556.3109999999997,"body":"And so it's like this."},{"startTime":2558.4249999999997,"endTime":2560.7459999999996,"body":"I'm sorry that I'm going on such a fucking rant right now guys."},{"startTime":2560.7459999999996,"endTime":2572.99,"body":"I want this to be more of a discussion but to me it's just about the power structures that"},{"startTime":2560.7459999999996,"endTime":2572.99,"body":"want to squeeze every last drip of Profit and value 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to"},{"startTime":3120.355,"endTime":3130.0699999999997,"body":"backfill that."},{"startTime":3130.0699999999997,"endTime":3131.131,"body":"Do you know what I'm saying?"},{"startTime":3131.131,"endTime":3132.8309999999997,"body":"I don't know why we're even talking about that."},{"startTime":3132.8309999999997,"endTime":3134.852,"body":"What the hell are we talking, how did we get into this?"},{"startTime":3134.852,"endTime":3136.1479999999997,"body":"What am I even?"},{"startTime":3136.1479999999997,"endTime":3138.249,"body":"this is the important part about all this, right?"},{"startTime":3138.249,"endTime":3146.1319999999996,"body":"Like going back to Rick Rubin, uh he talks about the intention, Mike, that you're talking"},{"startTime":3138.249,"endTime":3146.1319999999996,"body":"about."},{"startTime":3146.1319999999996,"endTime":3151.951,"body":"And he says, if you intend to sell a record, you're making a product, you're not 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false expectation therefore creates the raping and"},{"startTime":3190.763,"endTime":3194.4849999999997,"body":"pillaging of art, right?"},{"startTime":3195.071,"endTime":3199.105,"body":"Just made me think of that Hodorowski quote."},{"startTime":3199.105,"endTime":3200.2749999999996,"body":"The bride."},{"startTime":3202.078,"endTime":3202.678,"body":"Don't do it."},{"startTime":3202.678,"endTime":3203.0789999999997,"body":"Never mind."},{"startTime":3203.0789999999997,"endTime":3203.9089999999997,"body":"I'm sorry."},{"startTime":3203.9849999999997,"endTime":3205.625,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":3205.625,"endTime":3206.672,"body":"I mean, I..."},{"startTime":3206.672,"endTime":3207.2019999999998,"body":"no."},{"startTime":3207.2019999999998,"endTime":3210.211,"body":"When he talks about you, I just, never mind."},{"startTime":3210.211,"endTime":3211.1749999999997,"body":"We're good."},{"startTime":3212.1079999999997,"endTime":3212.653,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":3212.653,"endTime":3214.008,"body":"I won't hear it."},{"startTime":3214.008,"endTime":3215.39,"body":"you got to track that down."},{"startTime":3215.39,"endTime":3217.3729999999996,"body":"What's the, what's the quote from the bride?"},{"startTime":3217.3729999999996,"endTime":3218.133,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3218.533,"endTime":3222.678,"body":"When he talks about taking the bride, you do you rape the bride?"},{"startTime":3223.381,"endTime":3227.028,"body":"You're just talking about raping and pillaging and he's fucking yeah"},{"startTime":3227.028,"endTime":3229.4199999999996,"body":"that's I mean, symbolically, that's what he's trying to figure out."},{"startTime":3229.4199999999996,"endTime":3230.281,"body":"That's what he's doing in that."},{"startTime":3230.281,"endTime":3241.47,"body":"And so it's like and so it's like the whole point of this is what that Ryan Coogler has"},{"startTime":3230.281,"endTime":3241.47,"body":"found a way to to to pillage him back a little bit."},{"startTime":3241.47,"endTime":3250.167,"body":"Is that like we're three white guys, we're three middle class white guys talking about"},{"startTime":3241.47,"endTime":3250.167,"body":"like our role in race, race function in America."},{"startTime":3250.3419999999996,"endTime":3252.0829999999996,"body":"We do have a role though."},{"startTime":3252.444,"endTime":3255.125,"body":"We got to accept that we have a role, right?"},{"startTime":3255.326,"endTime":3265.643,"body":"And the thing you brought up earlier about what he's done in the studio system of like how"},{"startTime":3255.326,"endTime":3265.643,"body":"he's, he's kind of figured out how to make more money out of this and how to like have"},{"startTime":3265.643,"endTime":3268.0339999999997,"body":"more control himself over it."},{"startTime":3268.0539999999996,"endTime":3277.859,"body":"Like he is kind of like really pulling a fast one on these guys and he's creating"},{"startTime":3268.0539999999996,"endTime":3277.859,"body":"something rather than just giving away his creative energy for somebody else."},{"startTime":3277.859,"endTime":3279.2,"body":"Yeah, it really is good."},{"startTime":3279.2,"endTime":3281.761,"body":"mean, this is a dude who made fucking Black Panther."},{"startTime":3281.761,"endTime":3282.361,"body":"You know what mean?"},{"startTime":3282.361,"endTime":3284.0319999999997,"body":"This is the dude who made Creed."},{"startTime":3284.0319999999997,"endTime":3288.604,"body":"By the way, what an ace in the hole to have Michael B."},{"startTime":3288.604,"endTime":3291.256,"body":"Jordan, dude, like, carry his films, right?"},{"startTime":3291.256,"endTime":3292.076,"body":"Anyway."},{"startTime":3292.076,"endTime":3293.8529999999996,"body":"Sorry, Mike, it seems like you were about to say something."},{"startTime":3293.8529999999996,"endTime":3294.448,"body":"didn't mean it."},{"startTime":3294.448,"endTime":3296.7599999999998,"body":"fucking amazing."},{"startTime":3296.7599999999998,"endTime":3306.2129999999997,"body":"There's a point I was kind of, so, because I want to talk about this aspect of like the"},{"startTime":3296.7599999999998,"endTime":3306.2129999999997,"body":"studio environment that I think is sometimes beneficial."},{"startTime":3306.573,"endTime":3315.796,"body":"Where, because when we have our personal story, when we're making art from our personal"},{"startTime":3306.573,"endTime":3315.796,"body":"story, like we feel like we're the first person who's ever experienced heartbreak ever,"},{"startTime":3315.796,"endTime":3316.6659999999997,"body":"you know?"},{"startTime":3316.806,"endTime":3324.0589999999997,"body":"And so then we're like, okay, well now we're ready to like, I want to take my art to the"},{"startTime":3316.806,"endTime":3324.0589999999997,"body":"bigger stage and like seeing about heartbreak or seeing 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and"},{"startTime":3343.7419999999997,"endTime":3355.169,"body":"like the feeling of like, yeah, so what?"},{"startTime":3355.31,"endTime":3355.73,"body":"Like."},{"startTime":3355.73,"endTime":3357.1319999999996,"body":"uh"},{"startTime":3359.0119999999997,"endTime":3373.1589999999997,"body":"a feeling of like if the earth is full of stories like there is an aspect of nature that's"},{"startTime":3359.0119999999997,"endTime":3373.1589999999997,"body":"like all right show me something better you know we're done we've seen that we've seen"},{"startTime":3373.1589999999997,"endTime":3376.046,"body":"this before kind of do you know"},{"startTime":3376.046,"endTime":3376.81,"body":"here."},{"startTime":3378.759,"endTime":3381.2419999999997,"body":"I would love for you to say more about that."},{"startTime":3381.2419999999997,"endTime":3383.236,"body":"You guys not relating?"},{"startTime":3383.4049999999997,"endTime":3385.527,"body":"No, that's not the 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see it from an outside perspective."},{"startTime":3417.6259999999997,"endTime":3418.2459999999996,"body":"And even"},{"startTime":3418.2459999999996,"endTime":3425.8819999999996,"body":"Zoom out and see your story from a galactic perspective and you're like, you're just like"},{"startTime":3418.2459999999996,"endTime":3425.8819999999996,"body":"a little ant on this planet having it, you know, who who fucking cares."},{"startTime":3426.464,"endTime":3428.0449999999996,"body":"But then you're like, wait, who fucking cares?"},{"startTime":3428.0449999999996,"endTime":3428.455,"body":"That's me."},{"startTime":3428.455,"endTime":3429.026,"body":"That's my life."},{"startTime":3429.026,"endTime":3429.817,"body":"That's my heartbreak."},{"startTime":3429.817,"endTime":3430.687,"body":"That's my struggle."},{"startTime":3430.687,"endTime":3431.678,"body":"You know, that's my thing."},{"startTime":3431.678,"endTime":3440.0449999999996,"body":"And, and, know, sometimes I get this very carnival 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way."},{"startTime":3622.8559999999998,"endTime":3627.903,"body":"Mike, that's what I hear you talking about is like, it's not your true expression if"},{"startTime":3622.8559999999998,"endTime":3627.903,"body":"you're"},{"startTime":3627.903,"endTime":3630.886,"body":"doing it like somebody else does it, right?"},{"startTime":3630.932,"endTime":3636.4579999999996,"body":"And so maybe what I'm getting in those mushroom journeys is a part of me that's like, no,"},{"startTime":3630.932,"endTime":3636.4579999999996,"body":"you're still full of it."},{"startTime":3636.4579999999996,"endTime":3638.0099999999998,"body":"Like, deepen in."},{"startTime":3638.0099999999998,"endTime":3645.7279999999996,"body":"You're dressing in a Spider-Man costume right now and trying to do, you know, like, you're"},{"startTime":3638.0099999999998,"endTime":3645.7279999999996,"body":"not being real enough, maybe."},{"startTime":3646.9289999999996,"endTime":3648.4519999999998,"body":"Okay, go."},{"startTime":3648.4519999999998,"endTime":3649.432,"body":"I want to hear."},{"startTime":3650.836,"endTime":3655.638,"body":"I've, I've been around, I've been with you during this exact conversation."},{"startTime":3657.1,"endTime":3667.6749999999997,"body":"I've been with you when you've been in an altered state of consciousness where there's"},{"startTime":3657.1,"endTime":3667.6749999999997,"body":"this thing of like the carnival feminine, icky gooey."},{"startTime":3667.6749999999997,"endTime":3674.359,"body":"In fact, both of us have been with you, Mike, in this type of a setting and this, this"},{"startTime":3667.6749999999997,"endTime":3674.359,"body":"thing where"},{"startTime":3674.553,"endTime":3686.7529999999997,"body":"the universe or nature or some entity, some third, some other than Mike."},{"startTime":3686.8729999999996,"endTime":3688.573,"body":"I guess that would be a second."},{"startTime":3688.573,"endTime":3690.8129999999996,"body":"I guess there's just one 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like Bruce, Bruce like spirals, he like crashes out because all of a sudden, you"},{"startTime":3962.497,"endTime":3975.277,"body":"know, he was just there like putting down and just wanted like his band of like buddies to"},{"startTime":3975.277,"endTime":3978.1769999999997,"body":"like jam out on something that was meaningful to him."},{"startTime":3978.1769999999997,"endTime":3980.017,"body":"And now all of a sudden it's a whole new thing."},{"startTime":3980.017,"endTime":3984.5769999999998,"body":"They might have a, they might have a single, you know, and he's like depressed."},{"startTime":3985.067,"endTime":3991.689,"body":"because he just wanted to like make some rock and roll with his pals, you know, like,"},{"startTime":3985.067,"endTime":3991.689,"body":"yeah."},{"startTime":3994.4449999999997,"endTime":3996.3849999999998,"body":"Yeah, so I don't know if that we've."},{"startTime":3996.3849999999998,"endTime":3997.966,"body":"Mormons on Mushroom 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and"},{"startTime":4026.4629999999997,"endTime":4040.127,"body":"yet She produces an amazing sunrise every single day Or we're going through it right now"},{"startTime":4040.127,"endTime":4050.037,"body":"spring blows my fucking socks off every year every year I forget about how amazing spring"},{"startTime":4040.127,"endTime":4050.037,"body":"is do you know what I mean every year I'm like"},{"startTime":4050.037,"endTime":4060.801,"body":"man is battle world is so if I've seen it all I don't care and then spring comes around"},{"startTime":4050.037,"endTime":4060.801,"body":"I'm like whoa oh my gosh like I can't even believe it and all spring is doing is springing"},{"startTime":4060.901,"endTime":4071.346,"body":"like nature is not like digging in and be like boy we're really gonna throw one for Doug"},{"startTime":4060.901,"endTime":4071.346,"body":"this year aren't we boy can you imagine the peonies coming up like it's yeah they're just"},{"startTime":4071.346,"endTime":4079.769,"body":"springing and so there's like a there's like a because I also hear what you're saying Mike"},{"startTime":4071.346,"endTime":4079.769,"body":"about like the if you can scratch away and and dig"},{"startTime":4079.769,"endTime":4088.2259999999997,"body":"past like the cliches and if you can scratch past the like, I think that's a clever turn"},{"startTime":4079.769,"endTime":4088.2259999999997,"body":"of phrase or I like word play."},{"startTime":4088.2259999999997,"endTime":4099.705,"body":"If you can get into something that is even truer or even more real or even more raw and"},{"startTime":4088.2259999999997,"endTime":4099.705,"body":"like reflective of the experience that you're having, that will resonate more with people."},{"startTime":4100.647,"endTime":4102.688,"body":"And that's very true."},{"startTime":4102.849,"endTime":4108.3550000000005,"body":"And also it's also a manufactured product when it gets to the point that 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it."},{"startTime":4136.389,"endTime":4143.153,"body":"If we're taking it metaphorically, you know, they have the club that they built where"},{"startTime":4136.389,"endTime":4143.153,"body":"they're going to be doing the blues music."},{"startTime":4143.153,"endTime":4154.05,"body":"um Is there a way for that club to ever thrive without inviting in the vampire?"},{"startTime":4155.284,"endTime":4163.092,"body":"Because their clientele, they even talked about the clientele wasn't, they're paying with"},{"startTime":4155.284,"endTime":4163.092,"body":"wooden nickels, you know, the clientele is poor."},{"startTime":4163.092,"endTime":4169.228,"body":"Like can they have that or he said, he said we have two months tops and we're going to go"},{"startTime":4163.092,"endTime":4169.228,"body":"belly up."},{"startTime":4169.228,"endTime":4170.839,"body":"They have two months of this."},{"startTime":4171.0599999999995,"endTime":4174.623,"body":"So that's why they even went out for outside money to bring the vampires in."},{"startTime":4174.623,"endTime":4175.624,"body":"And so."},{"startTime":4177.232,"endTime":4190.724,"body":"Ideally, I would like to have them that like be a place of like creativity and fun and"},{"startTime":4177.232,"endTime":4190.724,"body":"pleasure and ecstasy and all that and they make enough money that they keep the lights on."},{"startTime":4193.505999999999,"endTime":4194.566,"body":"Yeah, I do."},{"startTime":4194.566,"endTime":4197.229,"body":"seems like Seth, you opened your mouth like you were about to say something."},{"startTime":4197.229,"endTime":4200.681,"body":"I have a response to that, but I would like to, you look very thoughtful."},{"startTime":4201.62,"endTime":4202.38,"body":"it's just that."},{"startTime":4202.38,"endTime":4206.112,"body":"mean, they were the best song in that movie."},{"startTime":4206.112,"endTime":4213.406,"body":"Like, there is that amazing scene, right, where they open a portal, okay?"},{"startTime":4213.406,"endTime":4215.947,"body":"But the best song in that movie is the one they're playing at the..."},{"startTime":4217.205,"endTime":4221.054999999999,"body":"uh yeah, about traveling, yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":4221.054999999999,"endTime":4225.847,"body":"like, like, I don't know, man, just like kind of pulls at your heart."},{"startTime":4225.847,"endTime":4228.73,"body":"Like it's so beautiful and like so moving, you know?"},{"startTime":4229.711,"endTime":4238.937,"body":"Like, yeah, it's good to have a club, but like once again, they're the ones who open the"},{"startTime":4229.711,"endTime":4238.937,"body":"door to the vampires by like trying to make money off of this thing when they could just"},{"startTime":4238.937,"endTime":4240.197,"body":"be out singing."},{"startTime":4240.638,"endTime":4243.199,"body":"They could just be singing, you know, like."},{"startTime":4245.181,"endTime":4247.626,"body":"That was the look on my face, because I don't know."},{"startTime":4247.626,"endTime":4250.833,"body":"Like, do we just fucking stop trying to sell art?"},{"startTime":4250.833,"endTime":4253.498,"body":"Like, is it wrong?"},{"startTime":4253.498,"endTime":4260.389,"body":"do we just give in and know that the vampires are out there and when they come and knock"},{"startTime":4253.498,"endTime":4260.389,"body":"in, maybe that's a decision."},{"startTime":4260.389,"endTime":4266.047,"body":"Mike, you were high, but you told me that you gave in to the vampires."},{"startTime":4266.047,"endTime":4267.446,"body":"Hahaha"},{"startTime":4268.505,"endTime":4278.385,"body":"And here's another thing, like this is like a really small thing, it probably doesn't"},{"startTime":4268.505,"endTime":4278.385,"body":"matter, it's probably kind of a stupid thought, but like I guess to me if we're looking"},{"startTime":4278.385,"endTime":4295.905,"body":"into like symbolism and looking at like metaphors, they did try to build their empire on"},{"startTime":4278.385,"endTime":4295.905,"body":"top of the bones of a former great empire, so."},{"startTime":4296.089,"endTime":4303.773999999999,"body":"The building that they bought was previously a source of economic thriving and"},{"startTime":4296.089,"endTime":4303.773999999999,"body":"development."},{"startTime":4303.773999999999,"endTime":4304.304,"body":"A sawmill."},{"startTime":4304.304,"endTime":4307.376,"body":"was woodworking sawmill type place, right?"},{"startTime":4308.037,"endTime":4308.6449999999995,"body":"Well..."},{"startTime":4308.6449999999995,"endTime":4310.081999999999,"body":"was a slaughterhouse."},{"startTime":4311.769,"endTime":4312.474,"body":"Was it a slaughterhouse?"},{"startTime":4312.474,"endTime":4313.625,"body":"thought it was a sawmill."},{"startTime":4313.625,"endTime":4314.1359999999995,"body":"about that?"},{"startTime":4314.1359999999995,"endTime":4320.098,"body":"How like this is like the slaughterhouse floor and like we're gonna use it as like, as a"},{"startTime":4314.1359999999995,"endTime":4320.098,"body":"slaughterhouse again or something like that."},{"startTime":4320.098,"endTime":4321.397,"body":"Anyway, I don't know."},{"startTime":4321.397,"endTime":4322.696,"body":"yeah, they might be right."},{"startTime":4322.696,"endTime":4329.6759999999995,"body":"ask about the floor and then that's when the clan guy that's selling it to him was like,"},{"startTime":4322.696,"endTime":4329.6759999999995,"body":"oh, I thought you guys weren't going to ask questions."},{"startTime":4329.6759999999995,"endTime":4330.996,"body":"I you guys were interested in this place."},{"startTime":4330.996,"endTime":4332.588,"body":"And then they stopped asking questions."},{"startTime":4332.697,"endTime":4334.317,"body":"Yeah, so maybe it's a slaughterhouse."},{"startTime":4334.317,"endTime":4336.137,"body":"could be totally wrong about that."},{"startTime":4336.557,"endTime":4338.397,"body":"Regardless, it's the same thing, right?"},{"startTime":4338.397,"endTime":4349.237,"body":"It was a place that provided jobs and then because of the economic downturn and, you know,"},{"startTime":4338.397,"endTime":4349.237,"body":"the Great Depression, those jobs dried up."},{"startTime":4349.237,"endTime":4351.977,"body":"It was a source that brought money."},{"startTime":4351.977,"endTime":4361.655,"body":"And so they're building it on top of that same, dude, for all we know, that club they went"},{"startTime":4351.977,"endTime":4361.655,"body":"into, the dude owned at the end and was playing his slide guitar."},{"startTime":4361.655,"endTime":4364.965999999999,"body":"Maybe it's the same location, you know?"},{"startTime":4366.306,"endTime":4374.549,"body":"The metaphor is that it doesn't matter what it is, it's just we gotta suck it all dry for"},{"startTime":4366.306,"endTime":4374.549,"body":"our main God."},{"startTime":4374.549,"endTime":4382.071,"body":"Like we talk about Dionysus and Odin and, uh I don't know, Jesus."},{"startTime":4382.071,"endTime":4385.431,"body":"We talk about a lot of gods around these parts."},{"startTime":4385.552,"endTime":4387.672,"body":"But the main God is money, right?"},{"startTime":4387.672,"endTime":4391.263,"body":"And money, that God is a cruel God, must be served."},{"startTime":4391.833,"endTime":4393.093,"body":"if you're a capitalist."},{"startTime":4394.3589999999995,"endTime":4400.1269999999995,"body":"the thing like, it's funny, because I think we're all just getting more confused here,"},{"startTime":4394.3589999999995,"endTime":4400.1269999999995,"body":"right?"},{"startTime":4401.05,"endTime":4405.938,"body":"That's because I'm so dumb that I can't figure out what the right symbols are and I'm too"},{"startTime":4401.05,"endTime":4405.938,"body":"loud to accept."},{"startTime":4405.938,"endTime":4407.7699999999995,"body":"very slow lerter over here, okay?"},{"startTime":4407.7699999999995,"endTime":4419.23,"body":"But there's one thing I'm 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do."},{"startTime":4447.3859999999995,"endTime":4448.846,"body":"Whoa, hold on."},{"startTime":4449.407999999999,"endTime":4451.309,"body":"You haven't been trying to do it."},{"startTime":4452.411,"endTime":4453.092,"body":"You have been doing it."},{"startTime":4453.092,"endTime":4454.664,"body":"You've been learning to do it."},{"startTime":4454.664,"endTime":4459.523999999999,"body":"Well, when I say trying to do, so, for example, I went, it was interesting."},{"startTime":4459.523999999999,"endTime":4468.764,"body":"The night before I did this, I went live for the first time on that, YouTube channel I"},{"startTime":4459.523999999999,"endTime":4468.764,"body":"created, but leading up to me going live on that thing."},{"startTime":4468.764,"endTime":4471.523999999999,"body":"Well, one, I did a solo two CB journey."},{"startTime":4471.523999999999,"endTime":4473.331999999999,"body":"Well, I would love to talk to you about 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and"},{"startTime":4549.643,"endTime":4551.224,"body":"people to sit here."},{"startTime":4551.224,"endTime":4554.606,"body":"And that's the image I need to hold as I'm doing this."},{"startTime":4554.606,"endTime":4557.147,"body":"Like portal open,"},{"startTime":4558.472,"endTime":4563.044,"body":"The ghosts are here, the realms are open, but people are just in that space with me."},{"startTime":4563.044,"endTime":4567.456,"body":"I'm not singing, it's not closed."},{"startTime":4567.936,"endTime":4578.161,"body":"And when that happened, but it was that process of like trying to get, and that's why I"},{"startTime":4567.936,"endTime":4578.161,"body":"say trying, because it has been a struggle to try to get to that spot where it's like, m"},{"startTime":4578.161,"endTime":4581.182,"body":"is my intention, what is my intention for doing this?"},{"startTime":4582.2029999999995,"endTime":4584.567,"body":"And it's a lot a lot of shadow shit comes up."},{"startTime":4584.567,"endTime":4586.831,"body":"Well, I think that you just summarized the whole thing."},{"startTime":4586.831,"endTime":4592.0289999999995,"body":"honestly, we should have if we had fucking started with that story, we would have been"},{"startTime":4586.831,"endTime":4592.0289999999995,"body":"like, we get it now."},{"startTime":4592.371,"endTime":4593.422,"body":"We get the whole movie."},{"startTime":4593.422,"endTime":4596.178,"body":"I understand the vampire movie better now."},{"startTime":4596.178,"endTime":4599.266,"body":"Well, it was like the perfect movie for me to see the day after."},{"startTime":4599.266,"endTime":4599.727,"body":"dude."},{"startTime":4599.727,"endTime":4602.17,"body":"honestly yeah like as much as I loved it."},{"startTime":4602.17,"endTime":4605.156,"body":"I knew you needed you were gonna take a lot more out of it"},{"startTime":4605.156,"endTime":4612.9929999999995,"body":"yeah, I just had that experience and now I'm sitting in 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you open up like a you set a container, a ritual container, and it's all"},{"startTime":4660.528,"endTime":4669.090999999999,"body":"about transformation."},{"startTime":4669.090999999999,"endTime":4682.6939999999995,"body":"It's not like uh to gain um material, like concrete knowledge, but it's like the"},{"startTime":4669.090999999999,"endTime":4682.6939999999995,"body":"transformation that occurs when you open up the when you're in this space."},{"startTime":4683.275,"endTime":4687.916,"body":"And as part of that, this happened a couple years ago, they"},{"startTime":4688.19,"endTime":4692.721,"body":"When I was reading about this method, you're supposed to invite the muse of the research."},{"startTime":4692.721,"endTime":4696.442,"body":"So like you're going to do this research project, you invite the muse."},{"startTime":4696.581999999999,"endTime":4698.763,"body":"And when I did that, this figure came through."},{"startTime":4698.763,"endTime":4704.023999999999,"body":"And I 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her."},{"startTime":4729.148,"endTime":4729.679,"body":"court her."},{"startTime":4729.679,"endTime":4730.96,"body":"I give offerings to her."},{"startTime":4730.96,"endTime":4742.389,"body":"um a uh week or so ago I was doing that and it was this thing of like, the nightingale um"},{"startTime":4730.96,"endTime":4742.389,"body":"sings at night."},{"startTime":4742.73,"endTime":4745.032,"body":"And so there was something about"},{"startTime":4745.032,"endTime":4755.287,"body":"broadcasting that out as if it's a nightingale singing at night and that is part of the"},{"startTime":4745.032,"endTime":4755.287,"body":"transformation that I'm researching with the dissertation not just how I am transformed"},{"startTime":4755.287,"endTime":4768.594,"body":"but then maybe how by me bringing people into this creative act and singing the"},{"startTime":4755.287,"endTime":4768.594,"body":"nightingale out how what what transformation that brings to other people as well and so"},{"startTime":4768.936,"endTime":4769.847,"body":"Yeah, so I opened it up."},{"startTime":4769.847,"endTime":4772.269,"body":"It's called the Nightingale channel on YouTube."},{"startTime":4772.269,"endTime":4774.58,"body":"So if you just go at the Nightingale channel, you can join in."},{"startTime":4774.58,"endTime":4780.034,"body":"And I'm assuming if you do join in, you're okay with me being weird and wild."},{"startTime":4780.057,"endTime":4785.840999999999,"body":"There's got to be a way for you to let us know when you're going to broadcast because some"},{"startTime":4780.057,"endTime":4785.840999999999,"body":"of"},{"startTime":4787.528,"endTime":4788.969,"body":"I've done it the last two nights."},{"startTime":4790.23,"endTime":4792.711,"body":"And I would also love it sometimes if you guys..."},{"startTime":4799.996999999999,"endTime":4800.737,"body":"I should let you know."},{"startTime":4800.737,"endTime":4805.179999999999,"body":"I didn't know if you get notifications or not or how that works, but I don't know how"},{"startTime":4800.737,"endTime":4805.179999999999,"body":"YouTube works."},{"startTime":4805.798,"endTime":4807.492,"body":"Alright, guess that's what I'm trying to say."},{"startTime":4807.492,"endTime":4813.298,"body":"There's gotta be a way for you to tell us all, let us all know when you're going live, you"},{"startTime":4807.492,"endTime":4813.298,"body":"know?"},{"startTime":4813.298,"endTime":4815.289,"body":"I think that you can make posts on YouTube now."},{"startTime":4815.289,"endTime":4818.882,"body":"So I'm still learning the interface, but I think I can."},{"startTime":4818.882,"endTime":4819.883,"body":"So I'll let you know."},{"startTime":4819.883,"endTime":4822.063999999999,"body":"I'll post it and go live."},{"startTime":4822.576,"endTime":4825.246999999999,"body":"It's been fun, but I was up till like two or three a.m."},{"startTime":4825.246999999999,"endTime":4826.6269999999995,"body":"doing it last night."},{"startTime":4826.639,"endTime":4827.075,"body":"Bye."},{"startTime":4827.075,"endTime":4828.187,"body":"Fending off that hangover."},{"startTime":4828.187,"endTime":4829.364,"body":"That's smart."},{"startTime":4829.595,"endTime":4830.556,"body":"Yeah, I did."},{"startTime":4830.556,"endTime":4831.947999999999,"body":"I just didn't get any sleep."},{"startTime":4834.2429999999995,"endTime":4836.920999999999,"body":"Well boys, the three amigos."},{"startTime":4836.920999999999,"endTime":4841.784,"body":"thanks for joining us, Added so much depth to the discussion."},{"startTime":4841.784,"endTime":4842.803,"body":"I hope so."},{"startTime":4846.0999999999995,"endTime":4847.628,"body":"Okay, love you all."},{"startTime":4848.217,"endTime":4849.038,"body":"Love you."}]}