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Sarah
Hi, and welcome to another episode of the parenting couch Podcast. I'm Sarah Levett.
Rachel 0:24
And I am Rachel Chappell. And today we are talking about something that I think affects every single parent I know. And it's fascinating. So we are pleased to be joined by leading paediatric gut health dietitian and mum of two, Karina Savage. Her mission is to take the stress out of feeding kids, which talks to me in a big, big way I have to tell you. My kids are age 7, 10 and 12. Now, and it's still a challenge and you still question if you're giving them the right kind of food and they still reject stuff. So I think, a toddler or a teenager, you're going to learn a lot from Karina. So welcome.
Karina Savage 1:11
Thank you to Rachel and Sarah, for the kind introduction. It's wonderful to be here always loved chatting to you. Excellent.
Sarah 1:19
We're excited. I've got... so many things. One of the trickiest things, and I'm sure everybody experiences this, and it's my daughter's nine and a half. And at the moment we're in that phase of she's still really fussy. And I don't know whether to keep pushing or find you know, how you find that line of I don't want food to be an issue, especially for a girl, you know, how do you find that thing of like, please just try. Just try? No, no. Girl, I don't want him to be a bad. What's your advice about?
Karina Savage 1:53
Yeah, great question, Sarah. I have a daughter of similar age. And yes, she's certainly put me to the test over the past with a nine and a half years. It has here tussle a you know, even paediatric dietitians have fussy eaters. So it's it's a normal part of kids development. And I think, you know, as parents, we beat ourselves up a lot about, you know, they're not getting enough nutrition, why aren't they using all their veggies. And it's, it's an it's an uphill battle. But it's, I think if we view it as a normal part of kid's development, and lower our expectation, and I think take comfort knowing that most of the time kids will still grow to their full potential, they're still develop to their full potential. No, they're not going to eat the roasted zucchini or pumpkin on the plate, probably ever. And they'll certainly have their few like super safe foods. And often they're like chopped vegetables, you know, if you can get in a bit of steamed broccoli, or other veggies amazing. I think, you know, parents often really worry when the child's not eating it in whole form. Sometimes they can sneak it into kids food, and they they seek a lot of comfort in that which is great. Some kids don't like saucy foods.
So that poses other challenges kids often like separated segments, which is why it's normal to tell you these kids, so we stress about it so much. And at the end of the day, they're probably going to be healthy and happy. I think our bar is set a lot higher these days in terms of you know, what we think our children should be eating, and often when I see kids in clinic, or speak to the parents, because this is all about the parents. The parents, like do I need to? Do I need to bring my seven year old Johnny, you know, or do they need to present mainly online these days? Do they need to attend the zoom session? I'm like, No, this is all about us as parents, our our expectation of how we talk about food, how we behave at the dinner table, whether we eat together, and how we I guess put a spin on food like do we make it light? And do we keep food fun? Or is it always we just eat the damn broccoli? Because it's good for you or it's gonna make you run fast and can you just eat it like bringing that sort of almost forced conversation around veggies for example, all the time, then already, they're gonna be off guard and not want to engage in even considering trying to eat these foods. For as long as they have feelings sort of pressured, they're going to move into fight or flight mode and want to get out of there as soon as possible. I guess it's when you try and push your husband to do something they don't want to do right as quickly as I can.
Rachel 5:03
So what what then would you say your Big Top Tips for, you know, for, I guess children having a positive relationship with food and wanting to try new things? Or what can we do as parents then to to encourage our children to try new food but not make it that horrible challenge?
Karina Savage 5:25
Absolutely, well, first of all the top two things are number one is eat with them and be around food with them as much as possible. Because the subconscious benefit of role modelling healthy behaviours is huge. It plants a whole lot of seeds, kids eat foods that are familiar to them. And so they will certainly gain trust in the food even if they're not eating it themselves, but their parents see their parent and join him that's going to plant seeds for them to eventually become more accepting of that food and eventually like that food. And then number two is fun. Kids are all about fat. And I'm not saying have like, you know, spaghetti bolognese flying around the house every night. If you need some toothpicks, you can make a little funny face out of you know their plate, you can engage them in food play activity.
On my blog, I've got a blog on food play activities with kids. And you know, my daughter came home from school last year and they've done some food playing graded up a whole lot of veggies and they use little sort of Tanner's and cucumbers and grated onion and all sorts of stuff to make funny faces out of food. Then they came home with their little lunchbox container with all the all of the leftovers all mixed together once they've dipped into them. She was like Mommy, I love I love raw onion. And I was like, yeah, like I but she loved it and that food play scenario where she wasn't pressured to eat she wasn't sitting at the dinner table with me go Can you can you just eat your or I'm in please like she was having applied with that and ultimate amount and she liked it. They're really good wins when you're not even expecting it. And I think it's, it's about trying to almost have a reverse psychology mentality and come to the table, knowing that they're probably not going to want to do at all their expectations are higher than where they're at. They're probably eaten something that's plant based during the day. And some little ones like toddlers often fill up at the front end of the day. So the back end they really liked especially if they've been in daycare. And they've had like a couple of serves as the hot meal. So it's about looking at the whole day and all that also the whole week, I talked about a nutritionally balanced week, rather than stressing about what they're eating for that dinner. Have you put plant foods on the afternoon tea planet? Have you made maybe one thing for the week that includes plant foods, whether it's like I've got a great black bean brownie recipe on my website, or you know, some muffins we've got some great and cared enough so we there's plenty of opportunities to get plant foods in. I think people focusing on like the dinner meal and stressing about that and you know, almost connecting our self worth as a parent to how much vegetables they're eating at dinner. It becomes a long stressful, I think, the bigger picture.
Rachel 8:28
Yeah, that's refreshing because I guess like as a mum, I I do place pressure on that dinner meal. And I don't know why. Like, as you say there's two other meals in the day and there's snacks throughout the day, but for some reason it's that meal at the end of the day that you really think they should be eating their veggies and did a little bit but yeah, if we can get them in and other times of the day.
Karina 8:51
As think back to this morning as kids were eating breakfast at the I'll mention I was doing lunch boxes and a bit of leftover cucumber. So he was eating cereal and I chop up some fruit and I just had that in the middle and my daughter's eating some toasted and I'd be the leftover cucumbers. So I just tried to alter the the fruit and he's like, yep, picked it up and ate it. And so I guess we bring all these preconceived, I guess, ideas of when and where and how and whether they will or whether they won't I feel like we almost ruin it for them before they even get to the table sometimes. So and I speak from experience with that and I know certainly with my second child I didn't offer him as much variety because I was so scared of what she would or wouldn't eat. I think we have to really look at ourselves as much.
Sarah 9:45
Yeah, I think I know that's interesting. And you're saying there Rachel about the pressure on the dinner meal I'm quite sure the generation before so when you know that's our parents that have done that to us and gone you know it was a very rigid the breakfast lunch. and do nothing and you know, I think it has changed and I've I found myself relaxing at times and giving her fruit plates for dinner especially in summer I'll go have a cheese and biscuits and fruit husband is different when there's two because there's just me and my daughter Karina, you know, now our as Rachel, you've got five people that you don't have any so it's not I can have a little male just for me and I can make her something different. But you guys can't really do that. Which makes it tricky, doesn't it? Because you can't be too different. You know, and then pleasing everybody, like, do you have scenes in Karina like for families, you know, more like Rachel, where the caddy everyone happy with a family of five,
Karina Savage 10:39
I think you have to have a few common denominators. So perhaps you have to have like you're all being offered the same protein and you're all offered the same carbs perhaps, or say, Rachel if you're doing a stir fry, and like so what are we doing our houses we do like I say if I do a honey soy again, stir fry, three of us will have it mixed but one still wants to separate it. deconstructed. And think about that, if you have like, some common themes, you've got same protein, whether it's like salmon, or chicken or whatever, and then you've got your carbs, and then the veggies I think you can tailor to the child you've got you know, and that's where maybe you have it all in the middle or you put on the plate, the predominant veggie that you know that totally like you're going to learn from so you're getting more intense from you're gonna eat more broccoli, but I'm also going to put a little bit of a capsicum next to your broccoli, just to have that sort of learning test food on that plate. So they've all got the majority of their safe foods, but then I've got a little bit of testing normally I say like to little test foods with a little one sometimes they might not want even on their plate or sometimes the big ones to get a plate and the ruins on wheels. So you could have a little learning plate. Encourage who would it be food scientists and spit it out into maybe you know, thank you ball.
But I think with the other day, my son so my daughter's now the onion thing then led on to soups and now she makes leek, onion and potato soup. She loves potatoes. Family, we got ours on one side and on the other. So she's like cop, cop cop cop cop. But so she made this like so I said to my son, right? So in my mind, you're gonna try this soup because he's getting a bit fussy with these veggies. And I'm like rap interesting. So and they like I'm not eating that I was having the broth. So he's drinking the broth. And then I was like, No, I want you to try some of the veggies. I said you can spit them out. And biomed would already eat we're moving back over to the counter and left the table. And I was like you can just try them all if you don't want them you can split them into the bin literally one by one. What is that split it in the view? When it was asked that in their exam that was three or four different veggies that was I think it was like potato I put some celeriac some carrot, yeah. spit into the bin. Oh, that's right was a ticklish to try it. And we'll play on.
So I think we've we've, you know, bigger families, you've just got to have a few common themes and then you just you can gravity animate things out of the pantry. It's really going to have his feet over the salmon or so. All right, well, good tuna here at all. That's probably not what the salmon you know, baked beans or a handful of cashews or you can have some quick easy grabs that for the fast parts, you can just serve out like the protein or swap or veggie or right you're not going to eat your broccoli so you can have some olives out for it. So it's not that you're cooking another meal. You quick swaps for the fast parts for the you know, in the family, but you're certainly not doing the base salmon and then you're not doing like a, you know, a battered chicken or something like that, because we just don't have time for that as parents. And I think it's about trying to stick to a common theme with a family meal with a few variations according to taste and preferences. But everyone's got to have a goal as well. And yeah, that gets spit it out into no baby boy.
Rachel 14:29
Fortunately, my husband eats anything so he doesn't need modelling food.
Karina Savage 14:36
It's so funny that I've sat there in clinic, right, but two parents have come to this buffet either. And I get to like the 57 minute of the consultation or three minutes to go. And Dad's like yeah, I'm fussy and mum's like, Yeah, he does not eat any vegetables. And I'm like odd is Irish.
Rachel 14:55
Yeah, because so what sometimes you don't ever grow out of fussy eating because that's my Well, that is my hope that one day, they just mature. They're like, Do you know what? I'm going to try that and my eldest, who's 12 is now getting more adventurous. Like last night. She had an omelet that had bacon and mushrooms and spinach in it. And she wouldn't have touched that a year ago. But, Mum, I've tried engine she's like, Man, that was delicious. And I'm like, have we? We've kind of like, it's maybe because she's in high school. And they do. Like a few of them will have like a Caesar salad at lunch, which never happened. So she's, she's seeing her friends eating Caesar salad. She's like, "Oh, okay, mum, can I have a Caesar salad?" Because all I want today is like, I don't want a sandwich. I want some hummus with some carrots, and celery and cucumber. I'm like, "okay, I can do that". Interesting, because now they're just yeah, they're not. They're not influenced by us so much, but what they're saying their friends are eating. So I thought that is there's hope.
Sarah
But is there a physiological thing? Because I've heard people say it 10 It starts to change a bit as well. And then I've got that same hope is right. But hearing that is very positive, but how much of it is influenced by what they're seeing versus their actual physiological makeup? And the changes that go on?
Karina Savage 16:16
Yeah I think it depends on why they're fussy. Because kids can be fussy for a multitude of reasons. Some people are very sensory averse, and they really kind of handle specific textures. Or they might be what we call super tasters. So they're actually super strong tastebuds. And they really are turned off by very strong foods. So I think it depends on why they first need to start with but if they're just a standard, fussy eater, and that still learning to like foods, I think that certainly is hope. And as they do mature and move into that high school age, I mean, yes, they're going to want to grab those, you know, high sugar muffins and chips and all of that stuff. But they also understand the importance, the light bulbs, you know, sort of switches, and they understand the importance, I think, and start to connect the dots and certainly not going to mean that they're going to eat super well at the age of 30. But I think they that maturity, especially for girls, if they I don't know, I'm stereotyping you. But I see a lot of girls getting into baking and cooking. And I think with that comes a natural interest in the cooking yummy food and often, you know, come into that, especially if their friends are doing peer influences, certainly big. And then I think you know, kids that are very sporty. Sometimes through that route, they get exposed to you know, eating really well to sport and sports nutrition. And that can support improvement in dietary intake. It just depends on where it's come from, and be the environment that they're in. But it's great to have your daughter's an environment where friends are starting to eat more healthy. And we my daughter, same thing, she had a sleepover at her friend's house and she came home wanting to make acai bowls.
And anyone offered it to her yesterday and she didn't want it. So when she started blending up frozen berries and making that the base and the guys get so I mean, we call them aside I think it really depends on where it's come from. And certainly there will be that group of kids that do go into teenage years, still very fussy and restricted. But I would say the majority were broaden their horizons over the years, especially if they've got the right environment in the home as well, where they're exposed to lots of foods and they're and people eating together. It's those environments where mum waits for Dad to come home from work. So they together a 32 year old the four year old said that the IKEA table by themselves, given what mum knows they will eat and not much else. That environment is not conducive to them being exposed and, you know, repeat exposure to new foods so that they're not as able to develop familiarity with a broader range of foods in that context.
Rachel Chappell 19:18
Yeah, I mean, that's what I did for many, many years. I had the kids eat at 5:00 - 5:30 when they were little, and husband didn't get home from work till seven so I would sit down with him. And then I had heard as you just recommend that you're better to eat with them. So all of a sudden I started eating earlier with them and then my husband would just have to have his dinner reheated when he got home and sit and have a cup of tea
Sarah 19:46
or you have a second meal or Rachel and that's how Yeah, that's right. And then the sensory thing that you mentioned because I was gonna bring this up before because I find it tricky because I do I feel that my daughter is highly sensitive, but I feel like we could all say that our kids are sensitive but maybe I'm wrong in maybe she actually is more because she the texture, the smell like she, I feel she has heightened because you know, certain clothes bother her. And so I've always wondered whether she's a little bit more down that that path. And so therefore pushing, you know what I mean? So it's kind of, am I using that as an excuse actually just sensitive, know what I mean? And as, and therefore, like, really smell like she won't eat eggs. And it was really interesting, because when she was little, one night, I pushed eggs on her more, I wouldn't know, you've asked me to make it nice. And I ate it like every now and then I'll have those moments or I go snap. And then she did. And she threw up all night. And I was the worst parent in the world. I was like, oh my god, she might actually be allergic to eggs. So I took her for the test. And she wasn't officially allergic to eggs, but she hasn't like, didn't want them before still doesn't want them. And I guess they do have a strong texture and a strong smell to them. So I've wondered. I don't know how do you how do you know?
Karina 21:13
Well, first of all, she could be allergic but it won't necessarily picked up on a skin prick test. Because if they got mediated allergies, you can't grow up on skin prick test. So but that's fine, but it might be that she Yeah, she just doesn't like eggs or some kids have some people, their gut microbiome that it's really interesting. A different gut microbes can tolerate a different protein foods differently. So yeah, some people I do have a number of people that just don't tolerate eggs well, and they have like a mild egg intolerance or allergy and it could be that but it could just be also Well, if that she was actually physically vomiting, it could be more than just sensory. But having said that, yet plenty of kids have sensory issues and it could be Yeah, the taste it could be the texture. Often they don't like having stuff on their hands like slime or sand an occupational therapist for that for the extreme. Lee you know obsessive kids, an occupational therapist can then work with children to help desensitise them from a food sensory perspective. Often I talk about the foods that sort of switch them on and switch them off. And often kids say that are on a spectrum that autism spectrum prefer white bland foods, I mean, some might but not on the spectrum that they can go for and that gives an anon spectrum as well. But certainly kids with sensory heightened sensory issues sensory processing disorders, prefer those basic neutral white bland foods. And that comes with a risk of nutrient deficiencies, but it's yeah, it's safe for them. And what we also need to look at in that context is what are the foods for example that your daughter does like? And I talked about this concept of food chaining where you chain on to preferences that she had so things that sort of foods that sort of switch her on? What can you chain on to that to add nutritional value? So if she likes salty things, could we try olives? For example, if she likes sour things, could we try? Perhaps capsicum come in like a vinegar it? Or she likes crunchy things? Do we try an air drying or going for dried vegetables like dried properly? So let's talk about tapping into the sensory process. The senses that she does, So does she like crunchy, salty, sweet, sour, so whatever she likes, trying to tap into that and then food chain in that sort of similar taste or texture or whatever, whatever it is for her and that's where food chaining can be quite helpful for and it's just changing it ever so slightly. So say a child will eat a cruskit with Vegemite. It's like well can we get them to have a cruskit with a little bit of avocado so it's still crunchy because it's just a scrape up party, maybe put a bit of salt on the avocado to keep the salt as well. I mean, I'm not an advocate for diets and children but just to get them onto the avocado and then you can pull back the salt so it's trying to keep things similar but change one tiny thing to try to bring in more healthy foods basically.
Sarah 24:33
Fantastic. I love it.
Rachel 24:34
That's really that's a really helpful tip just thinking yeah, baby steps just like tiny little changes to Yeah, yeah, work towards the larger goal. Yeah.
Karina 24:48
Do you know how my daughter started eating baby spinach. Chargrill Charlie's and Cook burgers and tacos I just want I just want less mayonnaise and my burgers. So there I am just going Can we just haven't burger out but just with lettuce and mayonnaise
Rachel 25:08
and as in as in no meat?
Karina Savage 25:13
when she was probably five or six. So we did that, and that's fine. And then she might have a bit of a chicken on the side, obviously still separate cuz this is rewind. And um, anyway, eventually I got to get baby spinach in and then that swayed into baby spinach and mayonnaise sandwiches. And then obviously that's fallen off. But I guess that's an example of one thing.
Rachel 25:43
That was possible. I love it. I love it. Karina, you specialise in gut health. So I wanted to talk to you about that, because I know, so many families this winter who have been absolutely struggling with sickness after sickness. And I am aware that immunity and the gut is quite intricately connected. So what I mean, what can we do to help our children boost their immunity? Is there certain foods that we should be trying to get them to eat more of? Are there any supplements that we can be giving them to help help us all fight these horrible illnesses that are around at the moment?
Karina Savage 26:29
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think the the lowest hanging fruit, so to speak is fruit, vegetables, and nuts and seeds and fibre. Because at the end of the day, our gut microbiome, which is where our immune system is, it's in our gastrointestinal tract, it thrives, feeds off data fibre. So if we look at our a bit of anatomy, for example, we've got a stomach, small intestine and large intestine, and our immune system, three quarters of that is actually in our intestine. And if our intestine isn't working properly, then our immune system isn't going to be functioning at full capacity, and our gut microbiome, the bacterial communities in our gut, which keep our system healthy, it keeps our whole body healthy, they need to eat the need to manage any breakfast, lunch, and then and then the dietary fibre for them. And if we're not feeding our healthy bugs in our gut, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, it's gonna start to eat our own gut lining the mucus of our gut lining, for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And that's what leads to what we call leaky gut. And that's when instead of having really tight, so junctions and a thick mucus layer, and a good robust protection against baddies, and viruses and germs and whatnot. These things get through and they get into our system, and then we get Okay, so we need to keep our gut lining really strong and robust. And the way we do that is to feed our gut microbiome so it doesn't eat our own lining, and that start to fiber. So whether it's on my read on my website, my websites, tricky little tummies.com. And if you head to the free information section, you'll see recipes and I've got things like chocolate works, like black bean brownies, these are great afternoon tea snacks, because they're loaded with what we call fiber, prebiotics, which feed healthy bugs in our gut. So rather than just pulling out a packet of rice, crackers and cheese, giving them and I know it takes a bit of extra effort, like an hour or so on the weekend making up a big batch of chocolate rocksn or chocolate brownie or whatever putting some of that stuff on a platter. Yes, they can still have some cheese and parts but if they're getting the nuts, are they getting some black beans in the form of a brownie or they're getting healthy muffins where it's wholemeal flour, those foods are going to support their gut and then that's going to support their immune system. So that is one way and yes, trying to get them to eat more veggies is another way but I'm going to put emphasis on that because that's already stressful enough. But fruit is really rich in vitamin C. Don't give them a cup of juice. It's got five teaspoons of sugar, give them an orange give them a mandarin. So and the thing is the fruits also got the fiber, which is really important. So number one is plant foods. Number two, yeah, look, if the child's sick, we could definitely look to give them extra nutrients in the way of vitamin C, zinc and vitamin D. They're the three that I'm most researched and proven in the scientific literature to be beneficial. There's also akinesia and elderberry that are natural extra herbs that immune protecting. And then we've also got garlic and ginger and all of those things as well but certainly from a supplements world. If your child is sick then I would get a supplement that's got zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D To date and then if you can get something with Andrographis like force for juniors specific examples or you've got your elderberry that in a number of supplements as well and the good old Sam calls got elderberry. elderflower automated, so it's about make sorry, no, I think it's elderberry. But definitely zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D I look for. There's one that's a Blackmores immune dummy that I actually use for my kids. If they're getting sick, I'll throw a few of them at them for like a week just to try and give them a bit of extra supplements. You don't want kids to be on all the time but you can definitely not use when needed. You know, daycare there's there's good evidence for probiotics in children that are getting repeat bouts of sickness in like a childcare setting. probiotic strain that is most beneficial is the LD GLGJ. It's like lactobacillus rhamnosus gg with the LG G strain is the one that is beneficial. So if I see a little one that's got ongoing gut problems is on antibiotics. I would definitely recommend putting on my LG G if I've got babies that I see with allergies are on LG G. And you can find that in like an in a Health Plus supplement. And others I don't like usually like specifically recommending brands but that's one where you will find that LDG so plant foods, those extra nutrients if needed.
Probiotics and then yeah, there is definitely good evidence for broth like chicken broth, chicken soup. Yeah, shimmery garlic, ginger, all of those immune naturally immune boosting foods that if you can get your child to eat them, then great. Yeah, I mean, my if they don't like the veggie soup, broth, you could even just make like a chicken broth, and then put some rice vermicelli or even two minute noodles in that or cook rice in the broth. In so they're still getting the benefit.
Rachel 32:08
Yeah, I love that idea.
Sarah 32:13
We could spend hours and hours with you, Karina, your wealth of knowledge and information is just extraordinary. So think it is your dog in the background? What's your dog?
Unknown Speaker 32:31
I'm sorry, would you like me to go and quiet man down? Nice.
Unknown Speaker 32:35
Alright. Fine. It's all good. It's all wrapping up. Clearly the dog has a walk or feeding. So she has been?
Unknown Speaker 32:45
She has been fed?
Unknown Speaker 32:49
I would expect so from someone in your line of work.
Unknown Speaker 32:54
We could even go on to dog feeding. Couldn't we really? Oh, we have got a dog. I'm getting all these ads for like,
Rachel 33:02
Feeding the children is hard enough, isn't it? You know, I think it's it's one of those things that we just put so much pressure on ourselves as parents and we're worrying, are we giving them enough nutrients? And what happens if they're not eating? But you know, I think speaking to you, it's just really reinforcing that. We need to stress less about it and look at the I think the big thing for me is like looking at the whole day, you know, like not putting the big pressure on the end of meal?
Unknown Speaker 33:39
Yes, you know, yeah. Because the week as well, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 33:45
I think we just need to remember that as parents, we have so much to try and juggle in our life. And we do our best we do our very best that we can to feed our children, you know, three main meals and two or three snacks every day, day in day out, you know, the daily grind is certainly there. And we just need to take the pressure off ourselves if they're not eating every single vegetable that they're serving time and just yeah, look at the bigger picture because most of the time real fussy eaters are still growing to their full potential. They're still getting enough calories, enough protein to grow and thrive. It's just that they might not be getting every single colour in the day.
Unknown Speaker 34:28
Yeah, yeah. But maybe the whole week they are so that's
Unknown Speaker 34:32
all or the year or the year. Yeah, amazing. Thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker 34:45
That's a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Both of you. It's great to chat to you.
Unknown Speaker 34:50
Yeah. Lovely to chat to you too.
Unknown Speaker 34:52
Thank you. As I said, if people want to reach out to me, they can just head to my website to trickylittletummies.com.au and reach out and I'd be more than happy to help.
Unknown Speaker 35:02
Brilliant and you're also on Facebook and Instagram and all those all those places. So search tricky little tummies. See how Karina can help you. Thank you, ladies. Pleasure. Thank
Sarah 35:13
Oh, well, I feel a bit hungry after that episode Rachel.
Rachel 35:20
Yeah, but a bit of nutrition, I think.
Unknown Speaker 35:24
Oh, yes. So much to think about so much to take on. But you know, one of the things that, you know, we're having so much fun, well, I'm having fun, I can't speak for you, Rachel, I shouldn't say we were not in a relationship anyway. People shouldn't say we should they can't speak true. adult human. Fun.
Unknown Speaker 35:43
Well, I'm having a fun as well. So you're not having fun.
Sarah 35:47
We are having fun and learning a lot. I think I can vouch and say confidently that we're both like, so far, incredible guests. But you know, one of the things that keeps a podcast going is reviews, that it would be so incredible. If you could go on to your platform, especially if you're on Apple podcasts. And, you know, just write a little review about what you think about the parenting couch podcast, you know, and how amazing Rachel and I are.
Unknown Speaker 36:19
We would like to see some you know, your favourite episode, what you enjoy about the topics or covering anything? We'd love Well,
Unknown Speaker 36:28
yeah, anything within positive reason, I think it's, you know, one of those things where, again, you know, there's so informative, and they've been so insightful, you know, and the more people that we can obviously get to with these great guests that we're having on the better and obviously to be able to, you know, continue doing this and it's yeah, it's awesome. So thank you so much, though, for the people that are listening and you know, and thank you in advance for going and doing a review. It's much a break. So don't forget you can check us out on all the socials parenting couch, North Shore Mums and NorthShoreMums.com.au and we will be back again in two weeks time for another episode. Rachel.
Unknown Speaker 37:15
I'm looking forward to it.