Ep 64 | Sierra's Journey: Finding Joy in Recovery

Ever felt isolated in your struggles and wondered where to turn for hope and redemption? Join us on the She Surrenders podcast as we sit down with Sierra, a truly inspiring guest who has triumphed over addiction. Sierra shares her compelling story of moving from a place of shame and secrecy to finding liberation through faith-based recovery. Her candid revelations about living a double life and the challenges faced by Christian women in recovery offer a profound insight into the stigma around addiction within faith communities. Through her journey, Sierra reminds us that surrendering isn't about giving up—it's about gaining the freedom to live a life filled with purpose and redemption. 

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Sierra is a stay at home mom of 4 young children and active member of her local church. In September, 2024 she celebrated one year of sobriety from
alcohol - a physical sobriety and the beginning of seeking emotional sobriety. Only in sobriety, has she been able to start to see that clearly. However, her identity is not as an addict in recovery but as someone who has been (and is being!) rescued and loved by Jesus over and over again.

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

Plain Language Big Book 

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Welcome back to the she Surrenders podcast. I'm Sheri, and my heart behind this podcast is to bring you the excellent news that faith-based recovery is where you'll discover the joy in life you never thought possible while you were in the bondage of addiction. The stories you'll hear from women, and sometimes men, who have walked in your shoes or alongside someone who has, will inspire you to pursue the same freedom they've found. This freedom comes from surrendering not only our addictions but also our guilt and shame to God. Matthew 19, verse 26, tells us with man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I pray that today's episode brings you to a new understanding that this is true for you too, because it is Now on to our guest. Welcome back.

Speaker 1 1:02

Today on the podcast we have my friend, sierra. Sierra is one of my ladies from Joyful Surrender and Sierra is actually about a year and a half sober. She quoted the day to me, but I am going to let her share that I actually spoke with Sierra on day two of her sobriety journey when she reached out about coming to Joyful Surrender, and she's been with us ever since and just been a light to our group. We've spoken into her and she's spoken into us. She's a young mom with four littles and we do life with her every Monday night and she's just a joy, so I am so excited that she is here to share her story with us. So welcome, sierra.

Speaker 2 1:50

Thank you. Thanks for having me, Sherry.

Speaker 1 1:53

Absolutely, absolutely, and I'm sure that there's a lot of moms who are going to be inspired by your story and the work that you've done to get into recovery and stay there. So, sierra, welcome and we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 2:13

Well, thanks, Sherry. Like you said, I am 509 days sober from alcohol and I'm so thankful to the Lord and to your work and boldness and helping Christian women with addiction, because it does feel like a little bit of a stigma. So yes, we spoke on Monday and I had my surrender moment on a Sunday, at an early wee hour Sunday morning, and that Saturday we had met friends for drinks and it started out normal, right, we had a drink or two and then we went home and my husband and the kids went on a camp out and that's when my brain went back to addiction mode. I've had several starts and stops with alcohol and I've had seasons where I can drink normally, but every time I go back, those seasons of normal drinking get shorter and shorter, and so this time the switch flipped and that night I just drank and drank and drank until I could find nothing left and you know, finishing off triple sec and bitters and just really stuff. That kind of surprised me honestly.

Speaker 2 3:27

And that was that night. I said you know, this is it. I'm back here. I've been in here for longer seasons and I don't want to be here anymore. And, Lord, I cannot control this. This is bigger than me. And so that Sunday I was listening, I with. I knew because of all my starts and stops. I knew about sober podcasts and I got a hold of the bubble hour and I saw your story, which was like women in recovery with faith, and your bicycling shenanigans. I always love fitness and I love the Lord. And so I thought because you know, you can tell yourself, I am the only Christian woman with this problem, I am the only mother with this problem, but you're not. You know anybody. Anyhow, this thing can get any of us, whether you call it addiction or or or whatever. You need to label um, this thing with alcohol and, of course, with other things, but thankfully, alcohol is big enough that you can get help, or you have to get help.

Speaker 1 4:41

Yeah, and isn't it interesting how you know you. You repeat exactly what I said. You know years before, when you're in it and especially, I think, as a Christian, you feel like you are the only one, like nobody else could possibly be doing this, and and then live to tell about it. Or you know, even if you do quit, then you're never going to tell anybody. And there's so much more that's redeemed when we quit drinking, you know, it's like I just think it's going to be behind us. But, um, as you'll hear from many of these stories, you know and that's a lot of what inspired you too and me that there's so much more that he plans to do. But that's, you know, coming. But that's the inspiring part, I believe. So I'm I'm glad that you found some of that in a faith-based story. So, yeah, but it is, it's isolating and it's that's can keep you stuck just as long as anything else. Yes, did you feel you had extra shame as a Christian woman?

Speaker 2 5:44

I did. I mean, I was involved in the youth ministry in our church and a lot of faith-based community programs and as a mom, it's like I had two parts of me. And again, I think we all have that, if we're really being honest with ourselves and the way that the you know fall of man. In some ways I am thankful that alcohol was my thing, because it was a red light, yeah, and I told my husband the next morning. I said I can't drink again and he's like what. I thought you know, but that was over. I thought that was better. Um, and I'm like you did, cause I have hit it and I have.

Speaker 2 6:34

You know, I've done the things. I've hidden alcohol I've lied about. You know I've had several glasses of wine before he came home so he thought I just had one. I mean this dance that I hear in so many people's stories and just confessing that felt so icky because it was like not only have I been doing this to myself, but I've been dishonest in my marriage and in my family and with friends too, because a lot of my friends were like, okay, our drinking looks the same, and sometimes it did.

Speaker 2 7:09

But my internal world was never. It was always an obsession and a okay, have this much in public and you can have this later. And the only times that I was free from that were the times that I wasn't drinking. So during my pregnancy and in 2019, I think was probably the worst of my drinking, where my husband was like what is going on? And hey, like, let's just drink on the weekends, let's just do this. And he could, I could not. And yeah, that behavior of being sneaky, just flared, of you know, wanting to, wanting to be different and so kind of that thing we do is shame.

Speaker 1 7:57

We hide and so in 2019, when you started drinking more. You're saying that because he noticed that's when you started hiding more, right? A good friend of mine said he read a line from my book that he said just really encapsulated how well, how severe but also how twisted your mind is when you're drinking. Because when I was confronted by people that loved me or you know I don't remember if it was an incident around friends or around Craig but my mind said I'm going to have to get better at hiding this. It wasn't. I'm going to have to think about quitting it's, I'm going to have to get better at hiding. And in my mind that made perfect sense. So I totally understand that. But someone else that's not been there or experienced this, they're not going to understand that. And now we both look at it and go, wow, that's a lot of thinking. But in the moment, that's all you know. But in the in the moment, that's all you know.

Speaker 2 9:04

Yeah, and cause you're for me. I was using alcohol to cope with my own inner world of definitely like a highly sensitive person. I'm an introvert and none of these things I really accepted about myself until I became sober and realized you don't have to change to fit the world. You can have some self-compassion and adjust, you know, advocate for yourself and do all these things to support yourself that are actually life-giving, rather than thinking that alcohol is going to give you the energy or the tolerance of whatever that you need, when really it only makes it worse, right?

Speaker 1 9:49

Right, oh, for sure, for sure. So 2019 till a year and a half ago. You're hiding until you got there.

Speaker 2 9:59

Actually, I guess more like 2018 to 2019,. I was hiding and when my husband really became concerned I said I can quit, and I did. I stopped drinking, but I didn't change some of these unhealthy patterns and coping skills. You know, they went to the lesser evils the three S's sugar shopping.

Speaker 1 10:35

What was my other one? Ah, screens I can probably add, but yeah, there's a few more assets you can add, you know, but there's, there's tons, but so yeah, so tell us about that. So how did that? What did that do to life?

Speaker 2 10:51

Yeah, I mean I guess in the AA community I'd be called a dry drunk and I was functioning in that way and I was really depressed and sad. But then the pandemic happened and I was sober during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 11:09

And I'm so thankful. Yes, yes, I think many, many of us are, because I thought often, if that was me going into the pandemic drinking, I don't know if I would have came out of it alive.

Speaker 2 11:14

Right, same, definitely yes, I. I held to it, um and yeah, and I learned some things about myself. The slowing down the pace of life during the pandemic really helped me in my mental health. I was just maxing it out in silly ways, over-involved, over-trying to do all the things and keep up with everybody socially and with kids and I. Slowing down really actually kind of helped me and I really used drinking as a coping skill until it just became drink to drink, um, and I told friends that I wasn't drinking so I had that accountability piece. Then we moved to a town three and a half hours away where we really didn't know many people and I chose to leave the door open. I thought you know, I did my year break. Clearly I've had my reset. I can go back to my friend alcohol and going to be better this time and nobody knows.

Speaker 2 12:21

And you know, and my husband, he just want you know he's like you have to make this choice and you know he was like cautiously optimistic. I think yeah, because he's definitely one of those people that can take or leave alcohol. I do not understand it. So again, new town, new friends, all the anxiety and stress of moving, and I just went right back in and and again with my starts and stops. The unhealthy behavior came quicker and quicker, I guess I could say, and I got pregnant pretty much as soon as we moved here and we lost that baby early on and coped with that which again was maybe felt good in the moment but then had such a trickle effect on my anxiety and mental health. It was just, you know, pouring gasoline on the fires, they say Right, right, it didn't help at all. Know, pouring gasoline on the fires, they say right, right, it didn't help at all. No and um, but I actually did.

Speaker 2 13:35

I got pregnant again with my fourth and final baby and um was thankfully able to stop drinking um during my pregnancy, but I went into a severe depression and I blamed it on pregnancy. But now that I've experienced sobriety, I realized I took my comfort seeking or tool away and didn't replace it with anything positive, and so I really just had a hard time.

Speaker 1 14:06

Right, right. So what did that look like after you had her?

Speaker 2 14:11

Yeah. So I had her, this beautiful, healthy baby, and you know I was breastfeeding and for me I postpartum depression hits after I stopped breastfeeding. More than it. Kind of breastfeeding. I get this like good, the good feeling people talk about yeah, yeah, um, and I, like I think I kind of didn't go back to alcohol right away. I kind of somewhere in me knew once I started kind of exhausting to keep it up, um, but then slowly she stopped breastfeeding, her drinking declined mine went up.

Speaker 2 14:53

It was really I call this kind of my relapse maybe I don't know if it fits the term, but maybe like a three-week period of where that switch flipped and I kept having nights similar to my last night, of drinking and and thankfully, you know, I think it needed to be me and the Lord, just my personality, someone else challenging me. I was like I'll show you, and it was just. I'm sad that that happened, but also so thankful, and I'm also so thankful for my lists of not yet, as they say, and again in AA, of I had a lot of not yet. Um, you know, high bottom drunk, thankfully, I mean, by the grace of God, um, yeah, and I'm really last night, yeah.

Speaker 1 15:52

You got up the next morning. What did you do?

Speaker 2 15:56

Well, I hung out with you on the bubble hour.

Speaker 1 15:58

That's a good place to start. I didn't know you were there.

Speaker 2 16:04

Um, and then I, I, I got on your page and signed up for the newsletter and the email and I thought she's not going to have time to talk to me before the first meeting, but I'm just going to do it. And you did, For whatever reason, you had an opening and I'm pretty sure that Monday I attended my first meeting on Joyful Surrender and I remember being like what am I doing? And the first meeting was on accountability and of and of not leaving the door open, of telling people, and I was like, oh, this is real.

Speaker 1 16:47

I just thought of that because I do remember that, and when you just said that you left the door open when you moved. And it's just so ironic because just this morning I was giving some counselors from a local church here a tour of Selah House and we talked about that and I said you know, the number one thing I tell women is you cannot leave any door open. Everything behind you has to be dark. You know there's no way to find your way back, and that means telling people cutting off the resource. I mean, safeguard yourself.

Speaker 1 17:25

Just had this conversation last night with someone and make sure anything that there's an option to is to go forward. You know that the door is open to go forward, and forward only. And so then when you said that you know earlier, um, it really resonated again because it's true, it's so, so true. If you really want it, you're going to make sure you're going to do everything you can to be successful, just like um, if you're training for something you know um you're going to put everything you need to in your body.

Speaker 1 18:00

You're going to follow your regimen. You know, I know that you were, um, you know, following a plan the first year, right, crossfit, right.

Speaker 1 18:10

Yeah, and you and you had some great experiences there I want you to share. But just you followed. You never looked at how to go backwards, Right, you only looked at what was going to enable you to have success going forward. You know, and that's the way we have to look at sobriety and how we're going to stay in recovery. But now I remember your first meeting and it was good. You were loved on for sure.

Speaker 2 18:40

Oh, I felt so loved on. I felt like I wasn't alone. You know we like to stereotype people that have alcohol problems.

Speaker 1 18:49

And.

Speaker 2 18:49

I'm, I'm over that. You know we can look any way and have kids and be moms and be wives and partners and all those things. And it was neat to be like, oh, here are a bunch of church ladies. You know I'm not an active member of AA but I kind of creep on it because I like parts of it. And I'm reading the it's a plain language big book and in it it talks about being with other alcoholics. It's like being with being with people that you've been shipped, you've survived a shipwreck with and you know you've all gone to the brink of devastation and you've all been rescued and that bond is real. And I felt that way in our first meeting of. We've all been to H-E double hockey sticks and back in our own way, shape and form, some more severe, some less, but all to that point where we're before the Lord of I I can't control this and I need you and we need each other.

Speaker 1 19:50

I love that analogy that is so good. I do too. But then my head went to there's some that are still, um, not willing to get in the in the rescue boat.

Speaker 2 20:04

Right.

Speaker 1 20:05

Right, Really hard. It's really hard when you've been rescued and you're like all you gotta do is all you gotta do is take my hand. You know, all you gotta do is climb aboard with us. You're going to be okay, yes.

Speaker 2 20:18

Yes, yes, it is safe and it is well, also kind of like with um. You know, you think of the Aslan like well, is he safe? No, is he good.

Speaker 1 20:30

Yes.

Speaker 2 20:30

It might not feel easy, but it is good, and it didn't feel easy for me. I was in a shell my first year of sobriety and yeah, kind of I'm the least likely person to do CrossFit. Yeah, kind of I'm the least likely person to do CrossFit. I like did yoga classes and spin classes maybe, but I've spent a lot of time on the couch.

Speaker 2 20:54

And so I called myself couch to CrossFit. I joined and it's this sweet gym in a garage me feel so welcome, even though there were people there like doing pulps with their pinkies, just kidding. But that's what it felt like, you know, and I was like I can't do a push up. He made me feel like I belonged and he, he, really he and his wife are just magical. He's like you're working just as hard as everybody else here because you're doing your best and I think there was no room for comparison and I really I needed that. And at the end of the class, everyone left and he said, hey, everybody has a health goal and a fitness goal and my fitness goal if anyone's familiar with fitness, this will make you laugh. I was like, yeah, like maybe I could deadlift like 30 pounds. I was like, yeah, like maybe I could deadlift like 30 pounds and which is, like I guess, pretty small.

Speaker 1 21:50

You're not very big, you're kind of tiny. I know that's 135.

Speaker 2 21:53

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 21:55

A year and a half later.

Speaker 2 21:56

Yeah, and he but he didn't laugh. He said great, we'll start there. And he's like what's your health goal? And I said I can't drink alcohol. And I was all like I can't believe. I just said that to this person. I hardly know, but I did. And I said I can't drink alcohol and it's not because I want to be healthy, it's because I have a problem. I said it and it felt scary but good.

Speaker 2 22:22

And he didn't like put you down he said great, I don't think you're the only one that struggles with that here. I'm so glad you're here and let me know how we can support you.

Speaker 1 22:34

Oh, wow, and they did later, didn't they?

Speaker 2 22:38

So somehow he and his wife his wife's also a coach they kept up with my days and when I reached 200 days, sometimes on Cross we use poker chips to count reps or something. Yeah, and round up, Anyway, he made me my own Sobriety CrossFit poker chip. Oh, it was a really just sweet letter of encouragement and I, just you, just you know I have told people and they haven't been supportive, but I guess when you find someone that you feel safe with, it is worth taking that risk because you can't do it alone.

Speaker 1 23:17

Oh for sure. Oh, and those people, I believe they're God sent. They really are, and sometimes they don't know it either, but they're sent to be, they're sent to surround you. You know these quality people in your life, and people that are going to encourage you and not take you down, not take you backwards, and that's a wonderful thing. So, what does today look like? What is you know where? You know what has your faith journey been like?

Speaker 2 23:51

Yeah, I mean, like I said, that first year I didn't drink and went to CrossFit and went to church and you went to Joyful Surrender. That's right. I did log on to Joyful Surrender. I thought about journaling a lot and that just didn't happen. But I will say, when I started to get my life, my light back and with but, I went to a church service and I remember that whole day I was like God, I'll stop drinking, but like I'll never be happy again, I can be a little dramatic.

Speaker 1 24:35

Well, he's used to challenges.

Speaker 2 24:38

Right, I'll do this, but like I can't believe how hard this is, um, and the sermon. It was one of those sermons that's just for you which I haven't really experienced. So it was really sweet, but the joy of the Lord is your strength. I'll just summarize. You know the Israelites had just heard the law. You know their ears were open to the law for the first time and they repented and they were wailing and Nehemiah says do not be grieved, for the joy of the Lord is your strength. And I felt that you know that of you know I've repented of something. My eyes and ears have been opened through an idol and a sin in my life. I was being freed from it, but I was not. I was grieving, I wasn't living in joy and it hit me and I'm still processing that verse. What does it mean for the joy of the Lord to be our strength? But I think it means that the Lord brings us to that joy and he carries us in those times and I just didn't feel so alone.

Speaker 1 25:51

Right. I mean if you think about the simplicity of the verse. You know the joy of the Lord. I mean if we think about, as children, how we want to please our parents you know, if that feels good, you know. But when you see your parents like be or beaming with pride over you, I'm trying to think of when that happened right now. At one time my parents are like well, let me think.

Speaker 1 26:18

Um but um, that just makes you want to go work harder. You know, as a kid you know if you think about those things that made your parents proud, you know you just want to do better. You just want to keep going and I think that there's some truth to that in that, a lot of truth to that in that verse. When you know you're doing something that pleases God, you're empowered you know, pleases God, you're, you're empowered, you know?

Speaker 2 26:48

Yeah, I think I felt some hope of if the Israelites can repent of the horrible things they were doing. Yeah, you know, and they can, and Nehemiah can look at them and expect them to find joy in the Lord. I was like I think there's hope, yes, and it wasn't like a warm, fuzzy right away, but it was. He's got me and like I will find his joy and I think that's why gratitude is so big.

Speaker 1 27:13

That's why, the gratitude thing, because even on your worst day, you know, even on your day one, whatever, and there's going to be bad days and it's not going to be just because you can't drink, you're going to be bad days and it's not going to be just because you're, you know, can't drink. You're going to have bad days because there's bad days, but you know, everything in life is not wrong because you can drink. You know there's really exactly exactly, but there's, there's still gratitude to be found. You know there's always something good to be thankful for and I mean, that's just how it works and there's more joy there.

Speaker 2 27:50

Yeah, and I think too I. You know I did. I still did my lesser evil trick sugar screen shopping but I've slowly released those and moving my body has helped me so much, accepting myself as an introvert, not seeing that as a bad thing, saying no when I need to say no yes, when I need to say yes and taking that recharge time and seeing it as if this is important.

Speaker 1 28:22

That's so important. Good for you for recognizing it too.

Speaker 2 28:26

Yeah, and sober community has helped, because other people have have said, oh, me too, and I'm like wait what Really?

Speaker 1 28:33

Yeah, and when we're drinking, in our mind I mean you might be surprised but I have a really busy mind, you know, to have a quiet mind almost feels like you're doing something wrong to take that time. So if you're at peace and just you know, it's almost like a nervous, like a. Now what am I supposed to do? Like I better find something to do. These days it's not real hard to find something to do, and I'm sure the mama, for it's not real hard to find something to do, hard to find something to do, and I'm sure the mama, for it's not real hard to find something to do. So when you do take those breaks, there's like this guilt and releasing yourself from that is pretty important for your wellbeing and your peace of mind and for those around you. You know you can't just never unplug and you, you know, not take that time for yourself. It's so important and the biggest part is you can take the time for yourself but you also have to give yourself permission and put a boundary around it.

Speaker 1 29:36

Lock that door, um yep you know, I've been in meetings with you where the doors had to be locked, you know. But it is what you know it is, and God calls us to that, you know. He asks us to be our best self, and that doesn't always mean serving others or being caught in the conundrum of always doing. You know, remembering to be a human being instead of a human doing, you know, is so important.

Speaker 2 30:08

So yeah, I listened to something recently and they were saying yeah, did you notice Jesus kept taking a break from the disciples and then giving them snacks. Let's eat, and then I'm going to go pray away from you, like, let's follow that model.

Speaker 1 30:27

Like like keeping them busy, Like I'm going to get you all sat here, like you did with you. And then, yeah, they were an unruly bunch, those disciples. You know they weren't a bunch of easy to get along with. You know they didn't come with a perfect manners and all that kind of stuff whip them into shape, so they're that relatable.

Speaker 2 30:53

So, uh well, life today is is great. It's messy, um, you know, I had a friend that I told. I said, hey, you know I, I stopped drinking and because it was a problem. And he said, oh, were you being really mean to your kids? And I said, no, I was way nicer to my kids when I was drinking, um, and.

Speaker 2 31:10

But now they get to see me be a human and I don't feel like they're monitoring my mood. My daughter's not asking me if my coffee mug has alcohol in it, in public, at the Christian school pickup, or in private, um, and I've shared with her that I'm I'm not drinking alcohol and, um, I think she really trusts that and I'm thankful. My my oldest, I think, noticed the most. Um, yeah, I don't feel like they're scanning. You know she extra silly, where are we? But, yeah, like I'm imperfect and apologizing a lot and feeling the full range of happy, sad, angry, those things and kind of just learning how to get through those big feelings and self-regulate. And sometimes it's like me looking at my kids and being like I just and they're like did you throw a tantrum?

Speaker 1 32:10

I'm like yeah but they'd always rather see a tantrum than see you drinking.

Speaker 2 32:17

So I, I think so, I hope so and I hope if you know, I pray daily that this won't be their thing, but if it is, I hope they know that I'm here to walk alongside them in the good, bad and the ugly. So lots of laughter, tears, all the things, but I'm here for it. It's not always comfortable, but learning to sit with that tension because, for whatever reason, I decided that it wasn't okay to have feelings.

Speaker 1 32:49

But it is, it is definitely. Do you have a verse on your heart right now?

Speaker 2 32:58

I mean. The joy of the Lord is your strength.

Speaker 1 33:01

There you go. I kind of figured that was going to be that one, so. But I mean, the joy of the Lord is your strength.

Speaker 2 33:04

There you go. I kind of figured that was going to be that one.

Speaker 1 33:06

So, but I mean, those are just words to live by and you've shown us what joy and sobriety is You've shared with us and that is possible. It doesn't have to be a sentence to a really, really hard life. It's a sentence to a good life Freedom, Freedom. And when you, when you find that much joy in recovery that comes from you know, recovering with your faith and in a sober community where we are all doing the same thing, there's to me the payoff is is that the desire to go back is so much less because the desire to stay where you are is so much greater. And well said, yeah.

Speaker 1 33:57

And if you can keep the scale tipping in that direction by doing all the things you know, doing what works for you, but also, most importantly, staying close to God. And if you feel yourself um, keeping, you know wanting to leave an option open or anything, you have to tell somebody. You just have to tell somebody, and that's where accountability comes in. And there's many, many things you can do, but the number one thing is staying close to God in it. He got you through this, so he's not going anywhere. He was there the whole time, Grateful for that, and I'm so grateful you were here today and willing to share your story. Your story and I know you're going to inspire a lot of especially young moms, because there's a lot of them caught in your situation. And, yeah, we'll put all of Sierra's information of anything that we mentioned and any other resources that she wants to volunteer we'll put in there as well. So thank you so much, Sierra.

Speaker 2 35:03

Yeah, thanks for having me, sherry.

Speaker 1 35:05

Thank you so much for joining me today. I hope you found encouragement and inspiration from what you heard here. If you know someone who could benefit from the she Surrenders podcast, please share it with them. Let's spread the word about the miracle of faith-based recovery. Let's spread the word about the miracle of faith-based recovery. Don't forget like, share, subscribe and leave a review, because when you do these things, it helps get the message to those who are seeking answers that can only be found when we put down our addictions and pick up the promises of a whole new life, when we walk in recovery with the Lord. Have a wonderful week and I'll see you next time.