Are We Too Old?

What's the impact of age on creativity? 

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SPEAKER_05 0:12

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Did it sound good? I think it sounds audio levels are even. We have a way of checking this, don't we? Like before. Is that what headphones are for?

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Well, we could do a little test recording and make sure that it does. Oh, yeah. It sounds good.

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Well, anyway. Happy Friday.

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Happy TGIF, yo. You remember TGIF with Urkel and like the ABC Friday night liner?

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Uh-huh.

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Because I don't know who says TGIF anymore. Is that even a thing?

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It is. Okay. I think it always will be. TGI. Hello, Parker Jennings in the house. Mihaul, hello. Action Crypto. The answer is yes, but only for things like eating off the kids' menu.

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Unfortunately.

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Heiko, too old for what? Too old for what? Done. Turn down for what? Done. Life knows no too old. We live, says Tom Buck. India. Hello. Marcus. Too old for what? I love your profile picture, Marcus.

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Is that a song?

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No, turn down for what?

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Oh, yes, right.

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Call me Cubby in the house. Hello, Mr. Camera Junkie. Hello, Melanie. Level up with Mike. Hi.

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All over the place today, Mike.

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Hi, Roger. Audio and video is good. Thank you for the thumbs up. Hey, Ben. Team Captain over here. Hello, hello. All right. See, everyone likes your TGIF.

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Yeah, well, it was, you know, a remnant from symptoms.

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See what I did there? Oh, whoa. You look genuinely impressed.

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I was a really smooth transition. 10 out of 10 would transition again. There you go. Um, yes. So I don't really there's such a thing to dive into.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Is there? I really am curious. So here's the thing. Let me tell you, okay. There's several angles, angles that we could take with this. Uh and I really don't know where we're gonna go because we never plan these in advance. But I was just script the whole thing out.

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I'm reading.

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I was like, Tom, you know what would be interesting? Let's talk about age. Yeah. Let's just talk about age. Because it's it's been coming up a lot lately.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

Yeah, it has.

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Like more so than usual. I mean, I know we've been meeting a lot of people, but yes, it has. Yeah. Well, why don't you can tee it off?

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I tee it up tee, because my name is Tom. I also see Audio Hotline greeting from Idaho.

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Idaho, what's up? Idaho's over there.

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Some spuds.

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Um Hey, homesick Mac. So hello, hello. A thing. Oh my gosh. What? Can I, before we dive in, can I tell you something really quick that homesick Mac taught me? Sure. I was gonna say this in the vlog, but since you're here, we're gonna say it now. Did you know that in Sweden, when they say, you know how, okay. How do you abbreviate number? Not the hashtag, but like in letters.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

N-U-M period? No. What? Yeah. Like num5.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

Isn't it N O period?

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Oh, yeah, N O. That's one way too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They do N R, I think. Oh. Actually, now I gotta check it out.

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I got N first and last. I don't know.

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But then I was thinking, why do we use N O when O is not even in there?

SPEAKER_05 3:58

Oh, I had this question when I was a kid, and it was never answered to my satisfaction.

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Well, now I need to find it.

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It's very confusing. Because when you're a kid, you try to find the logic in all these things, and then you realize it.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

It was in the uh hockey video, your hockey video. Now I need to find it, but um unless homesick Mac wants to say what it is.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

Well, now everybody's sharing their age in the chat. So we've got you can start there. Homesick Mac is NR.

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NR period one.

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There we go. Homesick Mac is 63. Mike says no. Marcus is 48. Oh, wait, wait, no, you didn't say no, you're saying number. I was like you just don't share. Ben's 41. I didn't know that, Ben.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Oh, wow. See, it's a European.

SPEAKER_05 4:45

One thing I have a lot of thoughts about age, and I'm gonna try not to uh dominate this too much. But one thing we were talking about this morning that I don't know might be the case for every person on Earth is that you and I are the same age, basically. We're like six months apart. Um, and we feel like we've never the right age because Well, speak for yourself. Well, you were agreeing with me this morning.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

I was, yeah. But I'm curious where you're gonna go for it, because I don't know where you're gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

I'm just explaining the thing that we were saying. Uh, we either feel like we're too young or too old because all we're ever told whenever anyone finds out our age, we're either told we're too young or too old. It's never I would like it to be a thing that it doesn't, it's not even I don't know, it's like having brown hair. Like, who cares? It's it's irrelevant, basically.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

Right, it's not even something to talk about, but for some reason there's always a reaction.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

Yeah. I mean, working with high school students for many years, um I was always like, you know, old was the joke. And then, you know, meeting if I meet anyone who's older, then it's always I'm so young, I don't know what I'm doing. No one's just like, you're fine. The way wherever you're at is right where you're supposed to be. Because guess what? You had zero, less than zero impact over when you were born. Um, and that's just the time you were born, and I don't know what to do about that. And it's um it's to the point where I'm actually frustrated about it. You are. I am. I'm really annoyed about age because I'm frustrated by that because I feel like I'm either I feel like I'm I'm put in a position to prove myself or justify something where I don't want to, like either, especially if someone says I'm too young, then I have to like prove my skill or or whatever. Or if somebody says I'm too old, then I have to prove like, no, no, no, like I, you know, don't worry, like I'm not eating jello in my walker or whatever, just yeah, my what is it, rascal scooter, which is totally fine, also, but like it's I think the thing that also annoys me is I think as we have gotten older, more people who are within our age range, I have noticed, kind of lean on their age almost as an excuse, and it becomes a part of their identity. Like I I've seen so many people on YouTube, like, oh, I'm just since I'm just an old person on YouTube, I just do this, and it's like you're 42. Like, I what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 7:09

I hear that a lot.

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And the age becomes the identity.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

You you but I've you say that you hear it all.

SPEAKER_05 7:16

Yeah, I point, but I mean I point it becomes a thing. And and it's like sometimes it's a point of pride, like where people are like, oh, you know, it's it's like the Facebook memes of like people of my generation remember, you know, take a picture of a cassette tape and a pencil. Do you know how these two things like go together? And it's like, if you're too young, you wouldn't even know the connection between these two devices. And it's like, yeah, okay. Or instead of like trying to get clout because of your age, it's like really, really limiting where a lot of people are kind of uh like, oh, I'm just I'm just an old person on YouTube. Maybe I'm too old for this, and it's like you're 45, you're 50, like it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

I don't know. When it comes to the memes, I because I share those a lot, but I think it's more of like the shared experience of if you know what the connection of these of what these two things are is remember that that was funny. Like, I'm not trying to say anything about like there's no statement there aside from the shared experience of the you know of what that connection is. Uh but for me, I think the funny thing lately, first of all, I don't think I've ever felt my age as much as I have. I felt it when I was 21 for sure. And then it just all felt the same until 38. And 38, I am I'm just so aware of 37. I kept forgetting how old I was. 36, same thing. It was like, I'm did I already turn 36, 37? I don't know. It all it just all since 21 to 37, it all just kind of felt the same. And I kind of assumed that everyone I met was within the same range, like plus or five years. And that actually worked fine because everyone that I kind of met, aside from like co-workers who who were like so obviously of a gen different generation, um, it would work because that those are I would do the same things of like people in their 20s all do, and that's so that's who I was meeting. Now though, it's like that I can't do that anymore, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But also physically, I feel my age in a way I never have before. Oh, do I feel it? Like just things just don't work, they work differently. Let's let's say that they work differently, they recover differently. Uh, but then also it's like the funny thing that's been happening lately is I feel like both of us have been getting conflicting reactions for the same thing, and like it really comes um it's really apparent with hockey.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

Right.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

I think even with Japanese too, me, because I'm learning Japanese. So, like, okay, Tom and I started learning how to play hockey a couple months ago. He's 37, I'm 38. Uh if you tell one person, someone will be like, oh you know, no, you can't do that. Cause if you get injured now, forget it. Like, you're too old to be to to be doing a new sport. Like, what if you hurt yourself? What if this, what if all these bad things happen? And then of course, like, I think I don't know, at least half your team are older than you.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

I'm definitely on the younger half in the younger third, I guess, of my team.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Yeah. So they're not, you know, I don't think that they're saying, like, oh, you're too young, but it's like, you know, I I it's more of like, I wish I had started when I was that young.

SPEAKER_05 10:42

Right. Yeah. It's it's almost like, oh, you have 30 years, 40 years, yeah, you have an advantage ahead of you.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Exactly. Um or with Japanese, like, why learn a new language? You you know, at this point in your life, why are you do you plan to live there? Do you plan to work there? Do you plan to work for a Japanese company? No. It's just for funsies. And I think especially doing YouTube, it's like that's you know, I don't hear it as much now, but it's like, you want to do YouTube as like a job? Definitely, I don't know, maybe too old is the instinct, but I also surround myself with people who are creators of all ages, so it's like I there I know there is no like average age to be a creator, but I think most people who watch, you you know, people people who aren't creators, I don't know what their perception of, you know, their persona of what a YouTube creator is, but I think that we're older or older than the persona, because you know, if you're thinking like a 20-something who's doing like crazy videos or something like that, we don't fit that type.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

Right. And a big thing that we've been encountering, because the thing one of the things that brought you and I together from day one, and one of the things that I feel a very shared connection with with like pretty much everybody here in the chat right now who's watching this, is this constant excitement for exploring stuff and learning new things. And you know, like like you were interested in learning Japanese. Okay, I'm gonna go take a class and do that. I was interested in flight lessons, we're interested in playing hockey, you want to learn an instrument, you want to start a YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

It's just like there's no hey, there's no consideration of age at all.

SPEAKER_05 12:26

It's just sort of what are these things, you know, what are these things that you want to you want to learn and what you want to do? And so much, I feel like I guess it's as we've gotten older-ish, a thing that we've run into is that sort of like, aren't you too old for that, or aren't like it's almost like you know, there's certain things that are expected of certain things.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

It's the expectation, I think that's what it is. It's like, okay, I think I can't be sure, but I think about-ish, right? At my age, my mom already had a 10-year-old, which was me, I think. Or nine-year-old, maybe. So, and she had she had like lived through the freaking Northridge earthquake, like her how like she had to she had to deal, she immigrated here from the Philippines, like she had gone through like crazy life milestones, which we you know, we have too. And luckily, you know, I think my parents had a lot harder. But I think there was just a lot more expectation with like the previous generation of like, you know, you're at 38, you're a mother, you know, and you have kids, and like this is kind of your role. And so, like, when I am just so not that, I feel like I don't know, it's just it's a conversation starter. I remember when in a way that I it's not I don't mind talking about it, but it's it's like a thing that gets it's when it becomes a roadblock.

SPEAKER_05 13:49

I remember when I like bought this house and this house was built and it was brand new. And it's like, okay, I gotta buy some furniture and stuff to put in the house. And I went to one of like the home goods Hobby Lobby type stores and bought one of those bowls of like the wicker balls. I don't know, there's like decorative wicker balls. Ben ended up eating them when he was a puppy, but um, yeah, and it was like they look nice. I I'm not saying they don't look nice, but I literally bought them because I was like, that's what you do. Like, that's when you move out of an apartment into a house and it's a little more permanent, you get the wicker balls on the table. Sometimes you have a jar of like preserved fruit uh as a decoration, too. I don't know why. It didn't mean anything to me. It wasn't like these are my grandma's wicker balls from the Great Depression or something. It was just like, this is what you do. And I feel like so much of life can be that if you're not careful, is like, well, this is just what you're supposed to do. And I found um there's the old, old, old quote, which I actually believe comes from the Bible, that says, uh, when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things. That's a very famous old quote. And then C.S. Lewis, many years later, uh kind of updated that, said, you know, when I was a child, I spoke as a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childness, childishness and the desire to be very grown up. And I I like that I feel that that first part is where a lot of people, it's sort of like, I am an adult. I am at this stage of life, I must be perceived this way. I am, you know, especially then your career comes into it. I am this profession, I do this, I'm this is how I must be perceived. Versus, like, I almost think the most adult thing you can do is not worry about that and you know, have all your stuff taken care of, like pay your bills, be responsible, you know, like check all your boxes for a functioning life. After that, it's whatever you want. And I feel like it's so easy to not feel comfortable doing the whatever you want part.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Yeah. Ben says, I actually worry about age a lot. I'm super preoccupied with it lately. That's funny. Wait, how old are you, Ben?

SPEAKER_05 16:04

41.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

Oh, really? See, I just assume everyone's like my age.

SPEAKER_05 16:10

I mean, is there a difference between 38 and 41? Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Like I've always felt that way. Um, my spouse says me take up hockey and playing gigs of wars in midlife crisis.

SPEAKER_05 16:21

I was watching, so there's a video yesterday I was watching. Um, it's on the Fender YouTube channel, and it's like an artist profile. And the artist that they're profiling is Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

Um, because I actually saw live playing playing the bass.

SPEAKER_05 16:38

Yeah, because he's a bass player, yeah, and a hockey player, and an actor, and a motorcycle rider, and all these things. And it's cool. The video is called Don't Quit Your Daydream, which is like a it's a thing he says in it. It's just a really cool line. And it kind of explores his journey of just like, you know, now as a very successful actor in his, you know, 50 or however old he is, he has the means to just kind of do whatever he wants. But he didn't always, you know, and 30, 35 years ago, and he was like a struggling actor, he was still sort of just exploring stuff he was interested in. And it was he met like someone who plays drums through hockey because they're playing hockey together. Then they played a band together and then wanted to be an actor and then do this. And at one point in the video, he's talking about uh he convinced his friend to start a motorcycle company specifically because he wanted a he wanted like a design of motorcycle that didn't exist. So, like, if we make our own company, we can make like the motorcycle I want. And the friend was like, Why are we gonna start our own motorcycle company? And his answer was because we're gonna die. And I was like, That's a great I mean that maybe that is a midlife crisis, right? Is that becomes when you're 18, that's very far away. When you're less than eight or more than 18, that's a lot closer. But that's a good reason to do things when you're like, Oh yeah, I I'd love to play hockey now because I'm gonna die one day, and I'm not going to be able to. When I when I got my drum set, oh my gosh, eight years ago now. Today, today might be the anniversary of me getting my drum set. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Tom would know because he's weird about dates.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

I'm not weird on dates. Well, actually, I kind of am too. Hella weird on dates, you'll at least 30, about to turn to 30, and I really wanted to play the drums, and I remember my thought was those are such a physical instrument that there will be a time when I can't do it. Like it's you know, playing guitar as long as you have sort of nimbleness in your fingers and your hands, you can play the guitar. The drums, especially the way I like to play them, are way more physical. And I was like, oh, if I keep putting this off, I'd already put it off for like since I was 11 at that point. If I keep putting this off, eventually I'm gonna hit a point where it's not even an it's just not an option anymore, and I won't ever have the chance again. And it's a good motivator to to try something new. I want to see if I got my drums, what day I got those.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

I've redefined where I sit in this grand scheme of things. Not young, not old, just veteran young guy. I love that. Uh Marcus says, many young creators are afraid that their success has an expiration date. I feel like a lot of people who have success feel that.

SPEAKER_05 19:19

But the thing, okay, so one of your really close friends is 75. 73? And always up for something new.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

Dealing with, you know, real life things like, you know, health issues and and you know, stuff that you can't escape, but there is no like, why would you want to learn this?

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Like clearly it's there's no, I if you like put the two of us in a room and you couldn't see what we look like, I really don't think you would be able to tell.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Like who is who?

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Who is older.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

Right.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Maybe I maybe I'm a little bit louder.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Maybe but if you just read like a transcript.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, there no way, no way. If you read a transcript between the two of us, no, if anything, honestly, I think they would seem younger in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

Because there is no a big question that that I've gotten when telling people I'm doing something new is why. And that's a good, you know, there's like, hey, why do you want to learn this instrument? Why do you want those are reasonable questions, but it's not that kind of why. It's the like, what is the point of even doing this?

SPEAKER_00 20:30

What is your end goal?

SPEAKER_05 20:31

Yeah, like there's always like this like you more money, is it gonna move you up at work? Is it gonna get you more prestige? And it's like, I maybe I don't even have an end goal, it's just because I want to. I don't know. We're weird like that. But I've I but that's cool. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of I don't know. I think that I a thing that I'm really grateful for is um my mom's parents, my grandparents on her side, both lived into their mid-90s and both were very active, like until literally like blindness and like physical disability stopped them towards the end. They were my grandpa was like huge into ham radio, had it built a huge radio antenna on the side of their house, had a whole room with like stacks of equipment every morning from like 9 to 10 a.m. was on the ham radio with like the same people until they kind of started dropping off a little bit there. Um, always learning how to like he was really into rocks and minerals, always learning how to like polish rocks and make things and just there's no reason. My grandma was into learning painting. Well, she should not learn, she was like a really good painter and a really like there's no purpose. It's just this is what I'm interested in. I'm 86. I'm just gonna do this thing because I want to.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Hey, Ash. Hey, if you aren't doing something new at any point in your life, any age, then are you truly living? Well, okay, so here's the flip side. Um, I talked about this in the vlog. I signed up for a class. At our local college to learn Japanese. 90% of the students are younger than me. Oh yeah, like there's only one student who's older than me. Everyone else is 18, 19, mostly. There's a handful of like in the middle, but uh, you know, most of them are college age, right? Uh and the the the an interesting thing, because I I haven't been around the last time I was around this many younger people was when you were sole teacher.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

And this wasn't an issue back then because they knew how old you were.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

And I'm supposed to be the adult in the room, but yeah, and they just assume that we're the same age.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

So it age was not a discussion point. This, like, literally in the introduction chapter of learning Japanese, you talk, you introduce yourself. What's your name? How old are you? What year of college are you? Where are you from? Bladida. So here I am. Everyone's like, you know, I'm 18. I am 38 years old. And like uh there. I I don't know why, but I did kind of feel like weird about saying it in like uh not not like uncomfortable, because I it's not like there's anything to hide, but it's like it's almost like I hope this doesn't change how you feel about me, even though I'm two decades older than you. And a lot of the times I don't feel it, like I don't feel the difference, but what I definitely felt was like the shock of oh my god, I can't believe you're 20 years older than me. And I and and I don't know where I don't know what the shock is. Like, okay, maybe I do um, I don't know, look younger and act younger, but is it is the shock from like why is a 38-year-old in our class? Or like is this what you're supposed to be doing? Like I I'm confused as to like uh it's shocking because your expectation is this, and obviously I I you I I am surprising you, which is why you have a shocking reaction. I'm confused like where that comes from. I've never asked them this, but right there they were it's like what like it wasn't like kinda shocked, it was like you know, a topic of conversation for several classes, yeah. And it's like I it I it kind of made me feel uh a little bit proud of like, yeah, dude, I s like you can still go to college, learn new things, take a class, like try something new. I I don't know, I don't know what the other 38-year-olds that you've met are doing, but like you could, you know, it it can still be whatever it is that you want it to be. We did work hard to to get to this point. Yeah, I have failed over and over and over again and over again to get to here. That is when I feel the difference in our age is like, oh my gosh. That's when I can't help but like you sweet summer child who has not experienced getting laid off, starting a business and having it fail, you know, investing time, money, resources into like this. I mean, I can tell you all the different things that I've, you know, the worst thing that I could ever like dread and really hope does not happen has happened over and over again. Like it's the worst thing that I started, yeah. The worst thing that I was like, oh my god, like I hope that doesn't happen has happened and I live through and everything's cool, you know, and like I have that that experience in those life lessons. That's where I feel the 20-year difference. But otherwise, like, yeah, you want to go get bobos? Go. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

I was just I was pulling up a thing, it's hard to see on the screen here. It was a picture of the Aquabats, my favorite band dressed in their I think everyone everyone here knows that. Hopefully, they're dressed in their like you know, they're very colorful raft guards, making goofy faces. We saw them live a few months ago with some friends for my 23rd time. Um multiple members of the band now are in their 50s, and I mean the concert I've seen them 23 times over the past 21 years. Um the show's the same. Like, like it's it's the same thing. That is like it's never I guess in their case, by the very nature of the band being like characters and personas, the age is never an issue. It's not like, wow, look, Madonna looks like so good for you know, I don't know, 96 years old or however old she is now. It's like it's sort of irrelevant, but it's just always been the same thing. It's like almost timeless. Okay because that it's just what do we want to do? Let's find a way to do it. Cool. A new Blink 182 album came out yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

They are 50s.

SPEAKER_05 27:09

They are in their 50s.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Okay, so which I love about 2023, you know, like I love that people of all ages who have access to the internet are seeing people who are older do, you know, I think also because we didn't see that, you know. I think pre-internet, you saw in um Father of the Bride, the couple, you know, the the father and yeah, the those are the 45-year-olds. They the only focus is like their daughter's wedding, and that's your role, you know. So, like, I I get I get it, and there's more exposure now, but here's another example. So in the quest to find relief for my my back, which is feeling better, um, I met somebody and I told them, like, I think I heard it playing hockey, but like it, you know, and explain, explain, explain. And I was like, Yeah, they they have hockey lessons at the arena. And that person immediately said, Oh my gosh, that sounds so much fun. I wish I could do that. Um, but like, you know, if I were younger, I I would do that. And immediately after like a two-second pause, they were like, Wait, how old are you? And I said, 38. And they were like, Oh, we're the same age. And that's yeah, I don't know. It didn't even occur to me to think I'm too old to do it. It did not even occur to you. I was like, are there adult classes? Okay, cool. 21 or 18 and up, I'm signing up. That's it. That's the extent of what I thought.

SPEAKER_05 28:49

I there's a there's a funny thing too, because sort of the opposite of this can be true as well. Um you know, like it it's sort of it's sort of tricky. Like, if you're looking for a therapist and you find someone who's 24, they could have amazing advice, insight, tools, and resources, but it's also like you you might kind of want someone who's had a little more life experience. Yeah, you know, and and that's so sometimes the age it's almost works in reverse. But there are so many, like when I got my ice skate sharpener a few months ago, it's not a believe it or not, it's a niche product. There's not a lot of documentation on how to how to use it properly. The person who taught me how to use it the best is an 11-year-old from Idaho because they they're the ones that made a video where they explained everything about it, uh, and I learned everything. And I it was crazy because I was like, okay, this kid didn't exist in 2011, you know? Um, and now they're teaching me how to use this ice skate sharpener, and they're not their knowledge and their experience with it is 100% valid and like and correct and accurate. And so the same thing where it's like, you know, it'd be easy to write off something like as a kid, I'm not gonna listen to them. That's actually the best explanation because that it's still a person who has put in the time to learn and understand something doesn't really matter that they're 11. Um, they still did that, and it worked for that specific thing. And so, you know, like I want to be clear too that it's not just being too old, but also like, you know, right, and having worked with high school students for a long time where it's the struggle of you know parents not listening to them, and right you know, you're you're being told to design your life how it's supposed to be, but your own opinions about your life are not taken into account at all, and it's supposed to go some other direction. That's that's always kind of a frustrating thing.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Uh Freddie just reminded me, Ignite Ignite. We didn't do our word for the week.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

This week?

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Yeah. Or is it just ignite? I thought we were gonna change the week. I thought we were gonna change it every time.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

Yeah, I should change every time. It's like Peewee's Playhouse. The word of the day, the secret word is in Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

So if you're watching the replay, the last week's uh word secret word that you were supposed to comment with if you were watching the replay was ignite. This this week it's going to be summer, as in you sweet summer child. There you go. Summer. So if you're watching the replay, leave us a comment with the word summer. Cool. Uh Dash with Ash says age is just a number. Yeah. You're there to learn the subject, not to learn about your age.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

How can a 38-year-old be so cool?

SPEAKER_03 31:32

I know it's it's weird because I want like I thought I actually thought about making a vlog like asking them. But I don't I feel it's so it's just seems so like I think the thing arrogant, you know, presumptuous, like tell me why you're so shocked.

SPEAKER_05 31:48

I think the thing, why do I seem so youthful and vibrant to you?

SPEAKER_00 31:53

I know, but I'm not I'm not coming at it from that angle.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

I just like it's more of just like but the but the thing is, okay, as a millennial, I feel like we are very existential. Maybe I am now like aging myself, and like here are here are what we you know, here's what my generation tends to do. I don't think 18-year-olds do that. Maybe they do. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

See, now I'm doing it, but I am more of the mindset that the thing that that gets to me about age is when I see it being a limiting factor for people. Like the person I couldn't I couldn't play hockey, I'm too old. You are the same age. I know. The exact same age.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Like, but it's crazy that that was I I'm just surprised that that was the instinct, and I cum I just did not have it and we're the same age, you know? And so, like, I who you know, that person was also a parent. I'm sure if you, you know, I don't know, maybe you think I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

I think that if most of the people on my hockey team who are older than your parents, like and they're all learning to play hockey.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

I'm just thinking, like, okay, I don't know, you really don't want to get hurt. It's not that I want to get hurt, but like as a parent, you can't like I don't know, take care of your kids.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

And that's fine. But that's that I mean, but that's not letting your age be a limiting factor. That's you know, that's like, oh, I can't go on this transatlantic trip because I have work next on Monday. Like, that's just being responsible within the confines of your situation. It's not I can't do that because I'm X eight X years old. Like Right. That's the thing, is like I'm too old to do that. Why? What what about your situation makes you too old to do that? Like, is it you cannot finish your sentence.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

I can't. I had an opposite experience, um, says Melody, in my community college at 18 years old. Lots of people in their 20s and 30s, someone in my class found out my age and was like, oh wow, so you're a baby. I I'm not gonna lie, I totally, I totally have that. I try not to. But like literally, when I'm just like, wow, I like I also have it. I also have like, oh my gosh, you're a baby. And I was like, I'm a college freshman. Is this a shock?

SPEAKER_05 34:07

There's nothing unusual about like so.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

I guess the shock goes both ways because they're shocked that I'm old.

SPEAKER_05 34:14

Contextualizing yourself, however old you are, if you meet someone and they're older or younger than you, there's nothing unnatural about you know, placing yourself. Oh my gosh, I'm so much younger. Oh my gosh, so much older than me. Like that's normal. It's what it's what comes after that, and like I said, where it then becomes a limiting thing. Like, I can't I can't do a thing because I am this old.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

Yeah, that's where I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_05 34:42

Why does how many times the earth has spun around the sun since you popped out of your mom have anything to do with you learning a new thing right now? Like it's entirely irrelevant.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

You're passionate about this.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

I am passionate about because, as Keanu Reeves said, you're gonna die. And there's not, and you don't get to like, well, next time, next time I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna learn that thing when I'm 12 instead of 32 or whatever. It's like you you have your one shot and then that's it.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

And so are you heated about this because someone has limited you, or are you so heated because people limit themselves?

SPEAKER_05 35:22

I am heated because I have limited myself and I don't want to see other people do it.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

So you have.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Yes, and which is funny because obviously you were guilty of this.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

Yes. There was a time a long, long time ago before you where there were so many. I was sort of is the same thing. I'm sort of like following the path of where you're still.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

You were so much younger. You you were a young buck back then.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

So, you know, in my late 20s or whatever, and there were so many things I remember having the thoughts of like trying to be okay with the idea that I would just never get to do something I wanted to do, and just sort of understand, like accepting that. And just accepting it, and like resigning myself to oh, I'd love to do you know, seeing someone do something, you're like, Oh, I'd love to do that. Okay, I'll never I can't do that. Yeah, that's for them. I miss my channel. And just going like, that's okay. Like, I you know first of all, no.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Okay, no, never, ever. Like, no, if you want that no, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:22

I mean, even parody, there's no even I get it. If you if you are 96 and you're like, well, I'd love to train to be an MMA fighter, there's probably gonna be some hurdles to get over, but there's probably even a version though that would be like I don't know. There's probably some sort of adaptive version of it that you could kind of engage with. Not necessarily that you're gonna be like, you know, beating someone up in the like South Pacific or anything, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Ono coffee says, when we were 20, we thought 40 was old. Now that we're past 40, we're right. Charlotte Drew says, if y'all are too old, or must be dead already and not know it.

SPEAKER_05 37:04

That's because it's because it's age ain't nothing but a number. Don't let age be your cage.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Hey, Spar Lab just joined, was napping. I was napping right before this. Almost everyone I hang out with are at least 20 years younger than me, and I love young people.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

I everybody was napping.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Are we too old if we all woke up from naps like are we old if we remember a time before the internet?

SPEAKER_05 37:29

There was a time before the internet.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

You know, I heard someone say, like, someone asked somebody their age, someone young asked someone our age, what their age was, and they were like, I'm older than Google, and that shocked the young person.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Yeah. And it's like, oh wow, yeah. Wow. Like you only know a world with Google.

SPEAKER_05 37:51

Yeah, I mean, there are weird things, and you know, well, yeah, age is interesting.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Age is interesting. Being different ages, being different generations, like having different perspectives.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Well, I remember things like being being in high school and going, you know, if I went to a restaurant and I saw someone like from my class working at the restaurant, it was like, whoa, here's like one of my classmates is the bus boy or whatever. Um, you know, then I'm working at like a video store or something. Hey, look, here's people our age like out in the workforce. And now, you know, we will regularly go to doctors who are younger than us, who are years younger than us with years of experience in their field. Like they aren't new, you know, like that has never happened.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

Like seriously, and I was like, oh, that's never happened before. And it never I don't know, I'm aware of it in a way because it just never happened for.

SPEAKER_05 38:43

Encountering really professional fields, doctors, lawyers, you know, law enforcement, like whatever it might be, where it's like, oh, you need a lot of training to do this, and you need years of on-the-job experience to get good at it. You have all those things, and I'm years old. Um, that is a weird thing. And that's also a weird thing when you're like, wait, you know, I think about this all the time, honestly. Like, even just like driving down the freeway, and you see road construction and and all the logistics that go into like shutting down a freeway, building a new on-ramp, and how this works, and going like, oh my god, that's being that's being put together by people like my age or younger, and then you realize the whole world is just everybody winging it, and it's like, okay, it's inspiring because it's like stuff is still happening and and things aren't totally falling apart, but it's also terrifying, and then you realize that's how it's like there's no reason that you know, whenever you're born and you look at your parents or your parents' generation as being the ones that have knowledge and experience, that's just because they are the ones who teach you about the world.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Right.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

But they just happen to be born at a random time as well.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

And well, so here's like a like okay, I I can't say this until I get there. But at this point in my life, at 38, I I can tell you, right? Like, I can say, having lived this, that there is absolutely no like difference in conscience from when I was 18 to now. Like it's not like oh you turn 30 and all of a sudden like your mind unlocks or whatever. It's it's just like I'm just I feel I'm the same. There, there is no milestone, there's no like upgrade, there's no click, nothing. It's just the same. It's like it's the same girl who's just trying to do her best this whole time. I'm pretty sure that's how it's gonna be for the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_05 40:37

When I was 16 and coming home after school, after high school, you know what I would do? I would play around on the guitar and the bass, record some stuff there, fiddle around with Photoshop, play with some cameras, listen to the Aquabats.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

But I think my my point is that when I was 18, I did think that when you were 38, you you did have it all figured out.

SPEAKER_05 40:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

I I did think that. I did think that 38-year-olds, you know, 30-year-olds, 40-year-olds, 20-year-olds.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

I was like, that's how I'm 25.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

Yeah, like they just they just that's a that's a grown-up, you know. Like that is someone who is responsible and has like they just they know the answer to everything. They know if you have two options, like which one is best, like they just have that confidence. No, I remember like it's totally a thousand percent the same.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

My first year teaching, I was 24, and it was after school one day at the beginning of the school year, like this time of year, and I was walking, I was walking from my classroom to the office to like make copies or something, and there was a big crowd of kids and a bunch of yelling. Of course, these two kids, which like high school juniors, seniors, they're big and tough, they're fighting, like really fighting each other. And I saw that and I was like, Oh, I gotta get an adult. Like, where and then I was like, there's no one around because after school, I was like, Oh god, that's me. I'm the adult. I have to do something about this.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

Odo Coffee says, One of my friends is 53 and still skating roller jury. I love her. Yeah, one of the women uh in the woman's learn to play class is I don't know how old she is, but she's old enough to be a grandma, is the best one in the class, like by far. And I think in playing a league now.

SPEAKER_05 42:14

Yeah, I mean, the thing too with with stuff like that is there's people when you as you get older, you're able to have known people for long periods of time. Right. There are people I've known who when they were 30, they were telling me, like, oh my god, as soon as I turn 30, it's like my whole body fell apart, my life I'm 30. And now they're 50, and they're still like, oh my god, I'm so old. And I and I realize, oh, it's just your identity is I'm old, and it doesn't really matter what the age is, because like 30 or 50, you're just sounding the same, and that's just what you're it's the it's the like if you really want to do it, you'll find a way.

SPEAKER_03 42:49

If you really don't want to do it, you'll find an excuse. An excuse. Uh Ash says, people assume with certain things that age is a factor, but for many things it's truly not.

SPEAKER_05 42:59

Right.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Um, Mike says, idealist evolves into a realist. Wisdom from your past brings peace to your present.

SPEAKER_05 43:05

I do remember I I and that can be a good thing and a bad thing, because I remember um when I was 21, I was working at Trader Joe's, the grocery store, and there was someone who worked there who I think he must have been mid-50s or so. And he was kind of a like, he's a different guy, Gilbert. He was really cool. But he was a little different, and you know, Trader Joe's the grocery store, they get kind of all these nifty snacks and things, and it was always kind of a big deal when something new would come out because people would like want to try it, and they were really good about like, yeah, we got a new type of chip, just open the bag and try it, share it with everybody. And we'd get really excited, you know. And if you're walking by like Gilbert stocking a shelf, you're like, Oh, have you tried those chocolate covered Hoozuma Wetsits? He'd be like, No. And he almost talked like Garfield. And I remember one day he was like stalked. Oh, you could hear his thoughts. Like the cartoons and stuff. I I remember one day it was like, Oh, did you try this thing? He's like, No, now I just don't really get excited about food anymore. I was like, Well, you work in a grocery store. Um, and it was like, What do you mean you don't get excited about food? And he's like, When you're my age, you've tasted it all. There's not new flavors. I eat to stay alive, and that's it. Okay, good. I want to tell you right now something else happening there, obviously, with I am going to be a foodie till I die.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

Okay. Tom didn't know that about me. And now, you know, eating out is part of our lifestyle. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 44:33

I I think the thing that that made me realize though is when you're when you're young and everything is new, everything is exciting as you as you get older and that you've experienced it more. It can be tough to that's an outlook though. Right.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

It is an outlook and it is But it has nothing to do with age, even. It's like, you know, because then when do you install that outlook? 58, 60? Like at what I don't you know, that's just a conscious decision you make arbitrarily.

SPEAKER_05 45:01

Has not can you do me a favor and just lean to the side a little bit? I just want people to see what's happening behind you.

SPEAKER_04 45:07

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 45:08

I don't know if they can. Oh, it's blocked by the chair.

unknown 45:12

Look at you, see that guy.

SPEAKER_05 45:14

See the sleeping cardio. Don't hurt your back. There he is. Hello, Finley. He just passed out on the couch in a way that seems like it's not comfortable for his neck.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Alright. Uh homesick Mac. I think that people who are 25 plus today are much more mature than I was at that age. It is it the easy access to all knowledge, being able to jump over some tough steps, the digital age helped, I guess. I don't know if maturity because, you know I think physiologically there's a physiological factor in maturity.

SPEAKER_05 45:57

Right.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Um I know that 25 is older than that, but I I I don't know if knowledge uh, you know knowledge and wisdom are different.

SPEAKER_05 46:07

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

I think know knowledge is like it's like the book smart and street smart thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:14

But I will say that everyone who's younger than me, if they have a question to anything, boom. Pick this up, Google. And everyone old, not everyone, a lot of people who are at least 10 years older than me, they just like I guess I'll never know. Yeah. And it's so crazy to me. Like on my tutorial channel, someone obviously had to Google to get to this video about how to record your face and screen at the same time. Okay, it's like one of my most popular videos on my tutorial channel. I don't know how you got there, but you got there because you had this question. So whether you went on YouTube or you went on Google, you obviously typed this in. And then the comment they left was, I'm on a Mac, I'm on a Mac book. I don't have a Mac a right click. So how do I right click to record, you know, whatever I was showing, you needed to do like the right click. And I was like, I can't believe you wouldn't just do the same thing that you did to get to this video to answer that secondary question. And so I literally typed that, you know, how do they go? Because I don't I have a mouse that has two clicks, even though I have a Mac. But yeah, I um no, you just hold control or command or something like that and click, and then that's like the right click. But I just copied and pasted the answer from the first. I don't I I don't even think I had to go to the webpage, it was just on Google. Copied and paste, replied to the thing, and that was it.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

Have you seen the website? Let me Google that for you. No, I think I I forget you might have to go to the website, but it might be LMGTFY, like dot google.com. Or it might be that, and like it's literally like how to right-click, and if you send them to that, they click the link and it takes them to the Google page, it auto-fills out the question in the search bar and it's searched. And then from really wow. Uh, which is really funny. Yeah. Oh, the thing, the thing I was gonna say to Mac though was I was watching an episode of Cheers uh a while ago. Okay. Which, you know, I remember watching that when I was a very young kid, and they all seemed like, you know, it's all adults in a bar after work drinking. Uh Norm, when Cheers started, it was 32. I was like, Jesus, okay. I didn't watch Cheers. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Art says, I love every pain in my joints and lost hair follicles. My best friend I served with was KIA in Iraq before he was old enough to drink beer. I own my illness.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

See, that's like your age is a trophy or a yeah. Like a yeah, a badge. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

There is no age on depth of knowledge.

SPEAKER_05 48:50

There we go. Yeah, and you're a professional educator, so you should know that.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

Uh Ono Coffee. I think the older you are and the more experience you have in a discipline, the less prone you are to make to make grand proclamations about that discipline.

SPEAKER_05 49:02

The smartest people are are very rarely the ones saying they know the most about something.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Being in my 30s now, I get that you're a baby statement so much more. At the time, I thought I was a grown adult because I was 18.

SPEAKER_05 49:14

Like the law says.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

That's such an 18-year-old thing to say.

SPEAKER_05 49:18

Well, I mean, that's what you think, right? Like yesterday I was 17, I was a kid. Today I'm 18, so adult.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Marcus says, I usually don't even think about my age unless when it is a limiting factor. I don't either, but I feel like for some reason, like when I come home, I I tell Tom, you know, obviously I tell Tom about my day, and I'll say, like, it came up again. And it it's not like I'm out there like, hey, everybody, I'm 38. I don't know. Um, Art says, I've got two in college, one in high school, and two toddlers. Younger people on average don't have disposable income to learn new things for fun and can't grasp that concept. Yeah, no, that's on average. Um, that's something to think about.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

Yeah, it's a thing I always tell Heather is um when I I think you know where that's going. When I moved the first time I moved out on my own, it was I actually rented a room from a friend who was a teacher. And they were I was 20 and they were 36, maybe. Uh, and they'd been teaching for I think six years at the time. And it was 2006, it was when the Nintendo Wii came out. And I remember one day I like walked out of my room on my my part of the house, and there was a Best Buy bag on the coffee table that had a Wii in it with like a couple of games, controllers, like all the accessories. Like, if he just went to Best Buy and were like, I want the whole everything you need for a Wii. My friend who I was renting the room from was not like a huge gamer, um, but was just like it was like literally a Friday, and he was like, Um, I, you know, this thing came out, I heard it's really fun. I got curious, so I went and bought one, and that was that was it. And you know, public school teacher, not it not extravagantly wealthy or anything, but it was like I just remember it blew my mind because I was like, that's like six hundred dollars worth of stuff on the table right there, and you can just do that, you can just do that like you without panicking and sweating about it, not even think not even rushing to open it up right now. Like you're gonna do that this time.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

I feel that, I feel that. I feel that because like a lot of the you know, the kids in my class, they have they're paying for school, they're they've got part-time jobs, and it's all like customer service or you know, hospitality type jobs, and it's like, oh man, every time we go out to eat, that's an hour of work you had to work to like you know, I'm not that like we're rich or anything, but I don't know. I just I I feel the I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 51:43

Once you hit a point of being able to go to the grocery store and buy your groceries and just not add up the total in your head before you reach the checkout stand, that was yeah, now I like where were we?

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Like, how much was that? And I was like, oh freaking, I forgot to look at the process.

SPEAKER_05 52:03

It's groceries. What am I gonna do? Not buy food, like is I want this food, I want this food, I want this food, I'm gonna eat it.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

But it's also like, you know, I it's also like I have to remember, dude. Do you know how hard we work to get to the point where we could do that?

SPEAKER_05 52:18

You know, over a period of years.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

It was like I remember I remember the it was hard. It was hard to get to here. So I'm gonna be happy here because I like that. We'll work for it. Um, I believe we should continue learning throughout our lives. I didn't pick up my camera until I was 30.

SPEAKER_05 52:34

See, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

I don't know how old was I in 2016?

SPEAKER_05 52:37

31.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

There you go. I didn't pick up my camera either until then. So um I grew up with my mother saying you can't do that, you're a girl. If it's not age, it's gender. If it's not gender, it's height, it's not height, it's weight, no more. Yes. Um says napping has become more of a hobby as I've gotten older. I have a whole method. 27 minutes is my sweet spot. Wow. Yeah, mine's like, I don't know what's mine.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

You're all over the place. You could do a 10-minute nap because I'll do a two-hour nap.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

So yeah, sometimes like a 15-minute will feel like an hour. I would say my average is at least 40 minutes, though.

SPEAKER_05 53:15

Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:16

Yeah. But I have insomnia too. Uh, I'm glad the internet wasn't around in my youth. Oldness, not illness, not wearing my glasses. Oh. Uh oh, my father just passed away 25 days ago at the age of 68, which is young to pass. Can't let age get in the way of living. Oh, sorry, Ash.

SPEAKER_05 53:34

I'm so sorry to hear that. Yeah. My dad passed away three years ago at 65, which is like young.

SPEAKER_01 53:41

Yeah. That's freaking young.

SPEAKER_05 53:43

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Yeah. So let's live it up while we can.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Uh, cell phones in our day would have led to premature incarceration. Anyone, Andre says, anyone remember Alta Vista? I do.

SPEAKER_05 53:56

Remember Alta Vista, ask Jeeves.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Because I remember specifically remember, um, I don't remember. It was like fetch or something like in computer class in high school. Did you have computer classes? Oh, yeah. Do they still have computer class? Oh, this is how we met. They don't have a digital media class anymore.

SPEAKER_05 54:13

Right, yeah. I mean like the typing class, you know, some basic HTML, and you learn how to do like a spreadsheet.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Well, you I we had to learn about search engines.

SPEAKER_05 54:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

And Alta Vista was the go-to. Yeah. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

Um JFK, too old for what? Some of my fave creators are older, like Sir Warren Hart and Lisa from Mobile Tech Review. Um Todd, Christmas Clatter. Hi, it's good to see you.

SPEAKER_05 54:44

Time of year coming up here.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Uh, I'm 32. A lot of changes due to dwindling health. I always say that about the conscious. I might have matured a little, but I'm still the same person.

SPEAKER_05 54:56

Yeah, it's it's the same.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

That was like, oh, you however unsure you felt at 21 is the same. It's the same. Like, I I feel the same.

SPEAKER_05 55:11

Well, that's what you're saying with your friend who's 73, that she's looking in the mirror and there's like a disconnect of like because presumably she still has that same feeling of like I'm just the same we have always been, but now there's a totally different person staring back.

SPEAKER_03 55:27

Um, I feel the same way, Heather at age 50, it's still just me, and I still don't always feel like a grown-up. See, so it's it'll just be like that. Sometimes I wake and look around and ask myself, who put me in charge and what were they thinking?

SPEAKER_05 55:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Um, Ben says, I have a grown-up persona that I used to do grown-up things, but I try not to spend too much time talking about it.

SPEAKER_05 55:46

It's like putting on a jacket, and you're like, No, I'll take that off as soon as I get home.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Um, Marcus says, No one has the answer to anything. We just make it up as we go. Uh Mike says, Old is a gift that is often taken for granted. Live today, be excited about tomorrow, pursue memories of experiences. Don't let anybody tell you to have a seat. It's your life, not theirs. Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about life is that we all have one. So you go do you and we go do us, and there you go.

SPEAKER_05 56:12

Yeah, some of us don't get to live for 50, Freddie said. Don't take it for granted. Yeah, age is a privilege, right? Like aging is a privilege.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

Yeah. Uh Andre says running a roller skate quad skate shop at 49 and starting a YouTube channel and learning to repair repair pinball machines kind of underlines the fact that one does not grow up because one doesn't want to. So much fun. Can we go hang out at your shop? Like, how cool is this?

SPEAKER_05 56:34

That sounds so good.

SPEAKER_03 56:36

Um, I use the emergence of gray hair to dye it to green.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

That's what you keep telling me.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

I'm telling you. I have to bleach my hair in order to put the purple. You've got the natural gray, you know? There's a lot more hair now. I know. So I was uh me and Tom's six-year anniversary two days ago, and we were watching our old vlogs, and your hair is uh different.

SPEAKER_05 57:00

Sorry, just the thing. Yeah, my hair was very different.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Oh my okay. Let me get the NDI because this is insane here. Ready? NDI. Ready?

SPEAKER_05 57:12

Sorry, now you just have to see a cute pub because this is where we're at. All right. There it is. He's just chilling. Okay, I'm back. Yeah. You just gotta see the expression. He just melts into the couch is so funny.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

It's funny because he's never he never hangs out on the couch.

SPEAKER_05 57:44

Art said, knowledge is tomato is a fruit. Wiz oh, I'll I was like knowledge is tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting tomatoes in fruit salad. Hey, there you go. Conquest Racing Club. Hello, Heather Tom, hello. Um Todd says his computer class on Apple IIE. So were my first ones, um, up through maybe the age of 10 or 11. Because I remember first grade we got to go to the computer lab and they were all Apple IIE's. And first, second, third grade, fourth grade was when you got to actually put the big like five and a half inch floppy disk in the drive yourself. First through third grade, you had to call the person over and they would switch it. And then when you reached that point, you got to there's a whole like week that taught you how to like because those were floppies. The actual like floppy floppy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

But the other ones where you like couldn't slide the silver inch. When those clicked in, oh my gosh, most satisfying.

SPEAKER_05 58:40

The little thing goes down to lock them in. It's like you click it in. There's like a little lever, you push the thing in and it goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then you have to lift the lever up and it Yeah, it like pop it out. Yeah, the closest thing to that now, I think, is when you have an SD card that can like really satisfyingly click into a thing, like like a camera or something. That's a nice feeling.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

Yeah, memory card in the camera.

SPEAKER_05 59:05

Yeah. Uh oh yeah, Peter just turned 70 last week. Happy late birthday, Peter.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

That means happy birthday.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

Hi.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Simply Oves. I'm getting grays. Oh, how sweet. We'll see. You can like I'm gonna be excited. I'm excited for gray hair. I don't, but the thing is, like, hair loss is a thing in my family, so I don't think I will even.

SPEAKER_05 59:28

Yeah, whatever color it is, I'm happy. I just want it to be there.

SPEAKER_03 59:31

I don't think I will have grays. There won't be, I might have to go wig.

SPEAKER_05 59:35

Wig out.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

Yeah. Um, gray show as all are we at the top of the hour. We are at the top of the hour every hour. Uh, this is it's just my cell phone.

SPEAKER_05 59:43

You can get the NDI app on your phone and then uh it'll you turn it on and it shows up in Ecamm as a source.

SPEAKER_03 59:50

Yeah. Uh at 58, just bought the first home and still have yet to meet my first ex-husband, so I can't follow age on it.

SPEAKER_05 59:57

Congrats on the home.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

Oh, that's funny. Um, y'all are youngins. I'm old enough to remember first computer class with key punch cards. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

Man. Okay, definitely got out of speed though, then.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

Yeah. I'm so old I almost didn't make it. He's napping. Hello. Uh, let's see. I'm waiting to be all gray, like Tony Morrison.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

See, they can pull the Steve Martin thing and just go gray all at once, relatively young, and then you just never age.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

Patrick, I love being the goofball grain guy. It really trips out the other adults.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:34

Yeah, look at this adult over here, and then they see you and they're like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

Reagan, happy to be here. Made it to a live session. Yeah, finally. Yay! Ben says, I don't think it's the number that bothers me. If someone is like, what are you in your late 20s, early 30s? I'll happily proclaim I'm 41. I think I just want to look feel young. I was see, I was telling Tom though, because like the shock was so apparent that I was like, You're almost insulted. Yeah, like do I, you know. I don't know. It's like, okay, look, I gotta look at least 21, Jesus, you know. I don't know. Well, I mean, I'm talking because you know, I get carded. I that's fine. I get that they got a card if you look under 35 or whatever it is, but there's plenty of times where we also don't get carded.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Yeah. I remember the first time that happened. I was like, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

We're here. Uh back in my day, digital cameras saved images to whole punch cards.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:38

Back in my day, digital cameras saved images to film strips. Because they weren't digital.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

I'm getting my white hair in my beard than I am on my. Yeah, but that that is on brand, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

It actually works out. Old enough to remember when the Motorola Razor launched. Old enough to remember when Lada was a popular car. I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

The Razor Man. I was just thinking about my Razor earlier today.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

I haven't been carded in years.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

Well, I mean, yeah. We still get card, I still get carded like real quick. And they'll get they'll get like the ones who want to card me are like, oh, oh no, no, no. Can I can I see your ID like real, like because I just assume you know, I'm not gonna assume that. I don't know, I feel like I'm not the age or don't assume you're gonna card. And they're like, no, what do you think we're not gonna card you?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:27

I remember we were somewhere with your mom and they carded her, and it just made her day. She was like, Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

But that was a cop.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:38

I don't remember where it was.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

Like, see, come on.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:40

Like maybe they knew what they were doing. I'm gonna cheer this person up right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

What's an A-track? That I actually my dad had one.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:52

Yeah, we had him in the car.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:55

Yeah. My dad had lots of different cars, and several of them had he was always like fixing up and selling cars, and so several of them had A-track players.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Okay, so since we're at the top of the hour, what do you want to say to let's say the past Tom who felt he was too old?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

You're wrong. Knock it off and wake up.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

You really you really want to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

You're gonna die. That's what I want to tell him. But maybe in a more diplomatic way.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

You just woke everybody up.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:33

Oh shit, you're all gonna die. Wake up. I mean, it's not a threat, it's just a statement. Um I in a more diplomatic way, I would tell him that there is absolutely no physical law of nature that's preventing you from doing any of the things that you want to do. And as long as you're not hurting anybody else or putting yourself in danger or being ridiculously irresponsible, you are absolutely allowed to go explore whatever you want to explore, embrace whatever you want to embrace, and follow whatever like interest and curiosity thread as much as you want to, and that's a good thing to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Do you know that? Like, do you think that see? I think the advantage nowadays is that because we have social media, you will find, you know, an older person doing the thing that you want to do, and then it makes you feel like, okay, there is no too old because this person's doing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:28

I think that's a huge that's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

It's it's exposure, you know. And so, like, if everyone in your life is telling you, no, you can't, you know, why, then you don't have any evidence otherwise aside from your compulsion to do that new thing. Um, and so what I would say is like like this community is such a perfect example of like all of us are doing this weird thing called YouTube, and on top of that, we all are doing something different on YouTube, like it's usually connected to like some kind of hobby, whether it be you know, Christmas or audio video or whatever, you know, neurodivergence or whatever it is, right? Like we we all have this like passion that we're trying to share, and YouTube thankfully allows us to connect with people from all walks of life and backgrounds. And I think it's nice to have um, I don't know, a community that is so diverse because it's like I can imagine all of us getting together and we we would just do whatever, you know, like we just have a bunch of fun and age would never even come up. It's incompetent. Oh, are you sorry? I just need to hear you ready? Yes. Ready, ready, ready. The teeth. Oh my god, the teeth. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:53

Look at this face, he's just melting away. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

He's so not. Interested, talk about he's like, I'm the youngest one in the room. All you guys old fogies.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

Uh yeah. I have like an interesting thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

So anyway, I think like what I would tell like Tom who felt limited by age, or anybody who feels limited by age, like guaranteed I can find someone who's doing you know, who's of a different generation, younger, older, whatever it is, that's doing the thing that you're thinking about, and like it literally probably does not matter. So go do the thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:30

I think your point is really good. In intellectually, I think we know that if you're a human, you can do a thing other humans are doing, but it really does make a difference if you see somebody who reminds you of if you see somebody who reminds you of you in some way doing the thing that you're interested in doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:48

I think that's like Casey. Casey Nice. It does make a difference. Yeah, it's like this is an old person who's older than me and is a dad and has a job and like, you know, and is doing this thing called YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:58

Yeah, I mean, I rem like when I was teaching, I would show lots of videos, lots of Peter McKinnon and Peter Lindgren videos in in my classroom as part of lessons, film riot videos, whatever. And all you know, the kids loved them, connected with them, but teaching in a place that's like 98% Hispanic, and the majority of my students are female. If there was ever a time where I could find like a female to show them something, they connected with the male creators to got the knowledge, but it was very different if they saw it. It's a different experience. Because then it was like I could see it shift, especially like the digital media world. I could see it shift from them from this thing I'm interested in, I enjoy to like, oh, this is an actual like option.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

Option. Yeah. An option.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:44

And that that was a difference versus like I'm playing around this thing that I like, but it's for all these people over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

Because you know what it is? It's possibility. Like someone has already someone has been the proof of concept. You know, someone has proven that someone who looks like you or is like you or reminds you of you has done it. So it's not about whether it's possible. You know it's possible. Now you just have to go do it. And proving whether it's possible is the hard part. Some people don't need the proof, but if you need it, I think that helps. You know, sometimes sometimes you just need, I don't know. I think it just makes you more comfortable if you see someone. Uh bah ba-bah ba. Where are we here?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:23

I saw coiled telephone cord. It was eight-track, Barney VHS. Uh William 28, geriatric man.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:34

I took my first photo class with uh I don't even know how to type. Digüero type. What's a Degüero type?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:40

It's like one of the old original cameras that essentially like correct me if I'm wrong, projects like an image onto a canvas so you could like paint it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

Like okay, let me tell you about the coiled telephone cords. These guys would like tangle so much.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:55

Wrapping it around your finger though is like really satisfying.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

Yeah. Also, we still have our laser disc player.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:00

Your parents? Yeah. I mean, your dad runs his parties off of a mini disc player.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

Awkward moment when they card a few other people when you people you are with, so you take yours out, but they don't ask for anymore.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:14

No, ma'am, just your children here.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:17

So this is not has nothing to do with age, but it's kinda this reminded me of it. I went to uh a Chinese restaurant with with Asian friends, okay? So we're all Asian. Um and the lady gave us menus, took our orders, and she came back and gave me a fork. Nobody else.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:38

Wow. You got judged in a way there.

unknown 1:09:42

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:42

We all couldn't stop laughing. And I was like, why did only I get a why did I get a fork?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:47

I don't know what test you failed.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Well, I don't I don't know what happened, but that's that's really funny. I just know you think of it. Um, yes, you have one life. Live. I still have two boxes of laser discs. I just can't let go. Yeah, I put out 4K videos. I love that. Um, but also don't forget to pay your taxes.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:07

Right. That's you gotta be an adult.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Yeah. Let's go and do things.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:12

That's the good slogan right there. Let's go. Let's change that to my slant my channel slogan.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

Let's just go and do things. I love it. Let's go and do things, you know. I'm older, old enough to remember CDs. I started at 40. There you go. Nice. Do more and care less is probably what I would tell myself 20 to 30 years ago because now I have to play catch up. I like it. Uh maybe it's time for the Heather and Tom meetup. Well, we are doing it. It's um I don't know, when is when is what is that? NAB is that what your thing is? We decided that earlier.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:41

It's like April.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

April. April in Vegas for NAB. Which is the more as it gets too.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:48

That's the National Association of Broadcasters Convention. It's the one I've always wanted to go to.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:52

I have I'll have to take a picture of Mark where she does the same thing. Oh excuse me, while I go organize my Betamax collection. The fan made K-pop terms. Um, I don't feel limited by age, I feel limited by disability. Google Dave Pentacola, Pentacola. If he's at the top of his game, ain't nothing, that's to stop you. I know that name. I know that sounds so familiar. Don't let your regret be. I wish I started earlier rather than I started too soon. Yeah, because no, who has that? Who has that regret?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:21

Yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry. I wish I hadn't started learning this instrument until I was 10 years older.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

Yeah. Uh let's see. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:32

I remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:32

Maybe the hand. Yeah, I would've put the whole hand and then like peeled it off.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:37

You want to talk about pre-internet? My Saturday thing is I would take the little trash can from my room. I would sit like Indian style on a chair and just put the trash can there and then put the glue on my hand, wait for it to dry, and then just peel it off. And then just do it again and then peel it off.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:53

This is the same guy who has got 130,000 subscribers every day.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:57

Hours of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:00

Oh, I love this. Oh my gosh. I am so down for like okay. Here it is. The couples table needs a phone that connects to Ecamm. And then, like, when someone calls in, we have to like pick up an actual coil.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:13

It's like the old.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:14

Can we make this happen? Can we rotate this phone? Yes. Can we build this contraption?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

Well, I have that. Oh my gosh. We have to make this happen. Your brother gave me, which is a phone with an XLR thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:25

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. We should use that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:28

There's gotta be something here.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

Okay, we got okay. We're gonna this is gonna be our project for the next couple months. NAB in Vegas and Tom can do a show at the sphere. Oh my god. Okay, so if you if you can play a video at the sphere, what would it be? Oh audio hotline's gonna be an NEB. Nice. Okay, yeah. Everybody. April in Vegas. April in Vegas, K 2024. Um DC Saliser Disc.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:53

SLC Punk has a good movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Top most sought after music.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:58

And he's oh, I'm sure he if he jumps into this live stream right now and sees that comment on some. How dare you! Ouch.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:04

All right. Well, that was fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:05

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