Strung Out Episode 260--Reaching for the stars-with Dr. Starcrumbs

Nic Nepomiachi (aka Dr. Starcrumbs) is leading a creative life journey to various galaxies in which he explores musical realms most people wouldn’t or couldn’t experience.  Running a club in Telluride, Colorado with his dad.  Playing drums in different bands in Colorado. Opening a club in Chicago. Closing that club in Chicago. Playing in bands in Chicago. Collaborating on albums.  Writing solo albums.  He is a quiet, reticent individual that when first talking to him, you would have no idea of where he has been and where next he wants to go. And in between songs and gigs he and his wife are raising a family.  A great example of what it takes to be an independent musician.  Don’t let his soft-spoken demeanor fool you.  He is definitely reaching for stars with one of the more authentically lived artistic lives I have had the pleasure of hearing about in a long time. His latest album on his Spotify page (there are five featured offerings to pick from there) Horse Shirt has an Americana slant to it.  He is not afraid to channel Dr. Hook or Leon Redbone for a New Orleans-style song, like Winds in China on his self-titled Starcrumbs album (which you can hear on his YouTube channel) and his lyrics are witty and self-reflecting. 
His Facebook page is where you can track the comings and goings of this artist.  Where his next show will be and who he will be with. Or it may just be a picture of him being a dad.  Whatever you do, take the time to listen to his music and enjoy an authentic craftsman who is not afraid to experiment, borrow, improvise and call Chicago home.

Transcript

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Unknown
Welcome to Strung Out, the podcast that looks at life through the lens of an artist. Your host is the artist, writer and musician Martin Lawrence McCormack. Now here's Marty.

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Unknown
welcome to Strung Out. And I've got Nick Nepomniachtchi and, Nick aka Starcom. Yeah. Musician, club owner. I was yeah, I was, but, McHenry County guy like myself, and you know, first of all, welcome and thank you for coming.

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Unknown
What I had, like, a lot of questions, and I want to ask you because you you had the tonic room. And how long did you have the tonic group? About 14 years or so. 14 years? Yeah. You have started in, like, 2003, I think, and, did you do that? To get in is, because you were a musician or were you like, hey, I just want to.

00:01:05:47 - 00:01:33:36
Unknown
Yeah, I was a musician. I went to college, at Columbia College, starting out as a musician. And then I switched my major to, like, you know, recording. And then I quickly realized that, like, I didn't really enjoy recording for other people. Okay. And then I was working at a bar down the street from where the tonic room is, and, and, and I was deejaying there and bar backing, and the opportunity came.

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Unknown
My dad was working at Denny's, and like, he had been a businessman before, but he's like, that stuff happened to him. And I'm just working at that beats for like, you know, ten bucks an hour. And and he was like, we should start a bar. And then, we did. That's very cool that, you know, we were talking before we started, like, about this Gerald's, client, Fitzgerald's brother, Bill, his their dad.

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Unknown
Christmas cheer. He was kind of the catalyst. Kind of like, hey, let's start a bar. And so you went, we're going to get into your background and how you got into music and everything, but while we're talking about it. So you ran that for about ten years. So I was like 14 and 14 years. And,

00:02:23:23 - 00:02:48:40
Unknown
And did you feel like it just kind of ran its course and then you were like, yeah, you know, I've done it for a long time. And, I was having a kid that year lot. Yeah. And I was just, you know, honestly, then my neighborhood wasn't that great. And a couple times my son woke up, would wake up pretty early, and I'd have to go for walks at, like, 4 or 5 in the morning, and we just go air, you know?

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Unknown
Sure. How we gotta get out of the city. Yeah. And then, that was one of the catalysts for sure. And then I had done it for a long time and I was drinking and partying. I just wanted out of that life. It's a tough life. I mean, one of the, you know, we, touched on it sometimes on, on this podcast, just because, a lot of these shows are geared toward independent musicians, but one of the, one of the dangers of being into, in independent music or being in the air or playing clubs or just working a club or owning a club, is is demon alcohol and everything

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Unknown
else that goes with it. So, you know, that's that's just, it comes with the territory. But the survivors are the people that kind of figure out how they can manage it, you know? Yeah, yeah. So you did you grew up in the city of Chicago down there? Well, I grew up. My dad had a bar, actually, in DeKalb, you know, way back in the day.

00:03:48:49 - 00:04:09:41
Unknown
Okay. And then he, sold that and then moved to Colorado and had a bar restaurant out there and set your hat there. So, that's like. Well, no, that's like the same town. In the same town. Telluride. Yeah, yeah. All right. Have you played teleprompter? I have, I mean, I played I didn't go to my I went to high school there too, so.

00:04:09:41 - 00:04:29:39
Unknown
Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, that's getting more interesting, but at this location, I actually, like, didn't go to prom. I played my prom. It was pretty sweet. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, congratulations on that. Not everybody can say that they played their prom. I wouldn't guy who did it. I think I went to prom once, and I think it was.

00:04:29:44 - 00:04:54:38
Unknown
Well, I know it was. It was my best friend's sister, so I'm not too far behind. Yeah, she's a wonderful person, though. She. But, But there you go. I mean, I was just I was kind of, you know, the, I was a nerd and, marry in central in Woodstock, but, we're going to listen to one of Nick's songs right now, and, you also go by the alias Star Crumbs.

00:04:54:38 - 00:05:20:46
Unknown
Why is that? Well, so, I would say, like, maybe like 3 or 4 years ago. I decided to just kind of start really recording music more seriously. Just because I thought, like, I created such an awesome roster of good friends that are musicians that aren't ever really, you know, you've learned to utilize life a lot.

00:05:20:46 - 00:05:40:35
Unknown
And, really, they don't get to play and write tunes and record and, I just like, started to write records and hear songs and realize, oh, I had, you know, some records here. And then I just started recording them at my house and would invite friends over to record, and then start from kind of like, you know, we're all stars.

00:05:40:40 - 00:06:05:44
Unknown
We're all but slightly bigger than, Stardust. And so, so I think that it's kind of a still philosophically, a good way of describing, again, just kind of the end of, do you consider yourself an independent musician or do you consider yourself. Yeah. I mean, I don't have any backing or any. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, it's increasingly more and more expensive.

00:06:05:58 - 00:06:26:42
Unknown
I mean, not more expensive to make records. It's just expensive. Yeah. Let's step out. Well, let's let's talk about one of your songs. We'll we'll introduce it here and, and what what would you like the audience to first hear? I mean, I don't know, let's hear, let's see robots dancing the first time. The first record.

00:06:26:46 - 00:06:47:01
Unknown
And what was the name of that first record? It was called first shirt or shirt? Yeah. I like to say if you don't like the record, just subtract the, oh, have you watched it? Oh, are you a Spinal Tap person? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I kind of in a big Spinal Tap influenced band for many years ago.

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Unknown
Sealed casket. Oh, okay. That's I, I saw that, and I was wondering about the origins of how you met Charlie. Actually, it's, like, thrilled that that. Okay, well, you folks, you've seen, the interviews with Charlie Idol, on this program, too. And just a great, brilliant musician, a very, a deep thinker to that guy. I like him.

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Unknown
So. Okay, so we're going to listen to this track right now with Star crumbs, and, we'll be right back after.

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Unknown
And now this here story I thought I mentioned at be left by the old mansion. I stopped at my tracks. I'd whack my gran and stop my land is right then and there. I saw robots dancing. And the devil takes my look like you. And from that time is ordinary. I sat right there and park my car. And I sat and watched the whole bizarre.

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Unknown
I'd seen those very bombs before and I think we shop at the same store. But I couldn't look away. I was in a trance. We all can listen. Take a chance. I got to witness robots dancing. And I must say, I asking why I no longer feel sadness out of my hands. I love you, baby. I guess last night I was enchanted.

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Unknown
And tonight I know I ran to. Where was that stuff the day we passed. The day I caught a whiff and started laughing I love to in the robot dancing. And I must say, my mind's expanding. I. And suddenly I feel I can't. We all are robots that are better off when we're all dancing like.

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And we're back. And, you are, you're kind of an interesting person because you've been on that side of the business and where you promoted the club, and ran a club. Did that give you some insights into the plight of the ordinary musician, or did you did you feel like a club owner, or did you feel more like a musician who had a club?

00:11:14:25 - 00:11:36:21
Unknown
Great question. A little bit of both, I would say. And like, you know, I would say like there are so many different kinds of musicians, it's weird to even just lump up musicians, right? Like, thing because I feel like everyone's that for different reasons, you know. And so. Okay, you know, if that makes any sense.

00:11:36:21 - 00:11:56:27
Unknown
You know, it doesn't make sense to just, like, want to play what I, you know, play the songs they wrote. Some people, you know, want to play covers, you know, and make some extra money. You know, some people are like dying to be in, like, just money to make an original band with original musicians and, like, have that band practice mentality of, like, right together.

00:11:56:32 - 00:12:20:00
Unknown
And, you know, I was lucky enough to have a small club where like that capacity was 99. And so we could kind of cater to a lot of those bands that might not draw at the time. Well, that's agreed. So I mean, I consider that a good size room for yeah. Independent artists. Agreed. Yeah. You don't want to have, you know, 20 people and it looks busy.

00:12:20:03 - 00:12:46:49
Unknown
Yeah, that's exactly it. It's a hard, the business is getting harder, I think in some ways, in that, you know, there's just a lot of, like, spaces up here in Evanston, and they're getting fairly big musicians for a 300 seat room, right? Yeah, but, you know, that's that's. But the musicians that are coming in are not musicians like us, per se.

00:12:46:49 - 00:13:11:10
Unknown
Sure, sure. Independent musicians. Yeah. You know, so they're they're I mean, you know, I, I'm imagining that part of the time you felt like you're running a musician charity, you know, taking care of independent. I mean, they would help us out, too. I mean, we had a deal where, you know, musicians would get 100% of the door, and then we would just keep the bars, right?

00:13:11:15 - 00:13:36:47
Unknown
You know, if you could bring a hundred people in at ten bucks a head, you know, you walk with a thousand bucks as a band, even if you only brought 20 that, you know, you make 200, or whatever. So it's, you know, it's because, you know, we don't have this big of a risk and, you know, right, as big of a risk either where like, like for me, if I got booked at like space with a big offer or where, like, you know, there are people they only break 20.

00:13:36:47 - 00:13:59:12
Unknown
I'm like, I feel bad. I don't want to play there and like, make them, you know, right. And and ruin a relationship. Right. And it's it's that relationship with clubs is, it's, it's you have to have the body count and, how do you, how do you go about generating that body count? So I don't really.

00:13:59:17 - 00:14:25:47
Unknown
I mean I played in a couple bands where I'm playing percussion for kind of like background vocals and just doing that for fun and some extra money. But for my original stuff, I've kind of realized a few years ago that like, you know, quite a few shows and start from shows, it's more of a headache, honestly, to get a band to rehearse, you know, have to force them, you know, my original music.

00:14:25:47 - 00:14:44:34
Unknown
That's why I kind of, like, stick to recording and why I love the studio. Because, you know, if I have to pay 100 of the band 100 bucks apiece, minimum, which is what I feel like musicians deserve. Like, let's say, to, like, rehearse and learn my stuff. I'd rather just have them give 100 bucks to come record for the day.

00:14:44:34 - 00:15:07:48
Unknown
And then we actually have, some tunes that are left. So you kind of, you know, I look at your online and I saw that you were doing some shows out in Rockford and that those are probably the exception to the rule as far as live performances, then are we keeping it? You know, I mean, I'll, I'll if I think that a gig, I'll play it, you know, but I'm just not actively seeking to.

00:15:07:53 - 00:15:33:00
Unknown
But it's, under my moniker. Yeah. It's really interesting that you came up. You know, your dad had the bar up in Colorado. You know, a great town. Whose name was that club? It was called Lidos Cafe. You know, it actually stretches, things. That incident started playing there like three days a week back in late. I like 94, and that's, you know that.

00:15:33:13 - 00:15:56:44
Unknown
What do you, the Colorado music scene, is an interesting scene as well. They're very, loyal to their bands. So out there. Yeah. We've done a lot of shows out there. We used to put on a little festival out there, called Allman Fest and, probably the, we had, elephant revival bands.

00:15:56:44 - 00:16:19:26
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, that and they went on and, I think they've gone through some personnel change. But how long were you out in Colorado then? Let's see, I was out there like junior high school, and then I moved back here senior year of year, and I moved back out there. And was there for like a year and a half maybe.

00:16:19:31 - 00:16:48:07
Unknown
And then I moved back here to college. Okay. So you went to Columbia and you just Yeah. And and for better or worse, for better or worse, why do you say that? I don't know, I mean, I mean, I, I hear like anybody that goes to Columbia, they, they've kind of that's like the school as far as to kind of, you know, get your foot into the, the dip your big toe into the water of what it's like to work at

00:16:48:12 - 00:17:09:07
Unknown
Record. You know, I've had the opportunity to like, be an engineer in my friends on like a really cool studio in town for a long time, but with studios that was, that it'd be, I've. Oh, okay. I do a lot of recording with King Size. Yeah. That's cool, I like that. But, you know, my character in those guys,

00:17:09:12 - 00:17:29:13
Unknown
But I can appreciate what you're saying about, getting out, just knowing that it's not for you being an engineer because it's it's a different kind of collection. You're hearing the same song over and over again for two days straight, and your mix up, you're trying to make your own music. I don't know, like, I always just felt like I'd rather have a job, you know, it's.

00:17:29:17 - 00:17:52:32
Unknown
I get to put headphones on. Yeah, or just where I'm washing dishes or, you know, bartending or whatever, you know, as a waiter, whatever it is, it's just like, I felt like. I, I don't know, like a dream, at least while I'm doing that versus like, you know, it takes a lot of your attention, record music.

00:17:52:47 - 00:18:30:13
Unknown
It does. I mean, do you have to have, first of all, you know, great ears. You have to have patience. And I think to some degree, you know, most, most engineers are not musicians. Yeah. Some of them, you know, I think that they're around musicians. They, they can, interact quite well. I mean, the, the engineers that I know, but I mean, and then there are some guys that are very adept, like you are you're a musician, but you're still recording, you know, now when you record with your band, the musicians that are you doing it totally out of the house, that kind of thing.

00:18:30:13 - 00:19:03:46
Unknown
Or some like these recordings I did all at my house at the time. Okay. Yeah, which is great to do now because, what program are you using? Let's see, we like for sure. Was logic okay. And then, the star from self-titled was Charlie Otto was Pro Tools, and then also logic. And, I just did a song with my friend Matt Cheryl on the first, put out, and that was really cool.

00:19:03:50 - 00:19:24:16
Unknown
Charlie has been telling me to use Ableton for years. Okay. And, that was him. Okay. I mean, I'm not really like running the running it. I'm kind of just like I the computer, and, you know, Matt's running it. Okay. No. All right. But, it was really intuitive. I would say, for my first time, not it.

00:19:24:20 - 00:19:56:19
Unknown
Yeah. I, I, I used to everything is from, like, and. Yeah, I mean, I like that program and. Yeah, your got your iPad or your phone, you can actually get an idea that can. Yeah. And, during the pandemic, I mean, I was just dropping stems off to people, you know, and just emailing them and, and, having them come back and I just said, you know, don't make it, I don't want a fancy, I want I don't want the Taj Mahal.

00:19:56:19 - 00:20:15:21
Unknown
What I want is like a mural, you know, a 1930s mural at the post office. Nice. You know? Yeah, yeah. In other words, you know, have it rough enough. Yeah, I like that. I'm. I'm very intrigued by the fact you bounced around the country like this. You went, you know, went out to Colorado. My parents were divorced.

00:20:15:21 - 00:20:52:13
Unknown
My dad lived out there. My mom lived here. So. Okay. And I just, like, use that opportunity. Okay. And are you married or. No, I was, but we are. We are separated right now. Separated. Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. What? 16 years or 16 years? Yeah. It's, it's it's hard. I mean, I, you know, I was married once before, and, for me, the one of the hardest things was the person that I was married to, had no, didn't understand, like, success for a musician.

00:20:52:18 - 00:21:19:49
Unknown
It's not like, you know, a six figure kind of thing. It's. It's being artistic. Some success. Yeah. Artistic success and being able to survive. And I think, and there's a lot of people I don't know, you know, what your circumstances are, but, but that's, I remember one person saying to me, well, you're you're about to start writing a lot of great lyrics, so I don't know if that's true or not, but I don't know if that didn't work out.

00:21:19:54 - 00:21:44:53
Unknown
Well, I did write a lot of the great songs based on it, and then I remarried, and married, you know, just somebody that she's an artist, for the most part. And so, she, she got it, you know, plus or minus. So there's. Yeah, if I'm any indication, there's light at the end of the tunnel with stuff like that, but it's, it's tough, you know?

00:21:44:58 - 00:22:14:11
Unknown
How are you finding that with your creativity? Well, it's funny you ask. So I would say for the last, like this, been going out for like six months. So for the first, like four months, I kind of just like, for the first time in years, just shut down with, writing music and just I still play every, you know, every day or every couple days or I'm like, practicing learning how to play bluegrass guitar to, one, which is kind of a newer thing.

00:22:14:16 - 00:22:37:03
Unknown
And so I still do that stuff, but I wasn't really writing for for a long time, four months, which is a lot for me. Yeah. And then I just started writing. Yeah. Like maybe six weeks ago. Okay. Two months ago. And that was it. Was it the kind of thing that, you know, you were just so emotionally overwhelmed with everything going on that you just shut down?

00:22:37:03 - 00:22:58:02
Unknown
Or was it just like, I mean, just one way? I was just saying no, like the. No, I don't feel like the muse ever goes away. I think it's just for me, it's like you just, like, work and write. Yeah. I don't, I don't ever, like, necessarily wait for inspiration because like, I got I the way I write, like I'm sitting on 1200 songs or something.

00:22:58:02 - 00:23:17:06
Unknown
So like, I do stuff that I, that I could like, you know, we'll get into that more in the second podcast. I don't want to spoil. Sure. Recreate the creative. It is just like we'll go back and like, yeah, it's always work to do is what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. That's, I'm going to be I'm curious to see how you go about it now.

00:23:17:11 - 00:23:33:40
Unknown
I listened to, some of your songs. Is that you? Sing it. Yeah. What an interesting voice you got. You got to like, I don't want to compare you to anybody, because I always feel like that depends on which record. Because I feel like I'm doing a different voice each record. Well, there was a little like, Leon Redbone.

00:23:33:44 - 00:23:53:08
Unknown
You know, I. I'm a big Leon fan. I, I met him, actually, when I get out of hearing. Yeah. Lucky you. That's awesome. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Know, actually, you know, I'm telling you. Yeah. You know, he at the same theater, that I played my prom at, like, I got. I got to meet him and see him.

00:23:53:08 - 00:24:12:59
Unknown
That's pretty cool. So what was that like? He. I was working at a bakery. It was like 8 a.m., and and he walked in, and he was, like, not in costume or character, but like, I don't know, like, my mom gave me a Leon, Redbone record when I was like 15 or 16 and, which is just weird that she gave me that.

00:24:12:59 - 00:24:28:36
Unknown
I don't know why, but the cool. But yeah. And I just, like, knew who he was. And he walked in and because I knew he was going to be in town and I was like, You're Leon Redbone. He's like, I sure am some kid. And he's like, what's your name? I'm like, Nick. He's like, this will be there'll be a ticket waiting for you tonight.

00:24:28:41 - 00:24:47:11
Unknown
And they, gave me a ticket to the show. It pretty cool. It's like meeting. Yeah. Meeting. Well, a hero. Yeah. He's one of the greats. I feel like he has played, occasionally at the Woodstock Opera House. I mean, way that had been on back in the day, so, you know, but, that's so cool.

00:24:47:11 - 00:25:08:14
Unknown
And that's that's a cool venue to play. Yeah. Yeah. They don't really have cool stuff anymore. I know, you know, they're not risking it. Yeah, well, this is a problem. You know, I, I want to, we should talk about that, too, because, we can talk about anything on the show, but, a lot of clubs after school.

00:25:08:26 - 00:25:28:17
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to escape. I mean, I get it. A lot of performing arts centers like the Woodstock Opera House. And and not to, you know, but a lot of places, I think post-Covid have gone a say for out of, nostalgia bands. Yeah. No, totally. That's like the only thing that's paying the bills. Yeah.

00:25:28:21 - 00:25:54:43
Unknown
And and maybe it's an I'm trying to make sense out of it. Is it just a baby boomer audience. Are those the ones that are going out? I mean, I don't know, you know, where are the Gen Zers going? Where where are younger people going or how are they getting their music? It as an, as a, a person that ran a club, how do you get those younger people to come in?

00:25:54:47 - 00:26:14:16
Unknown
I don't know, yeah. I mean, really, I don't know. Yeah. I think it's just I think the kids are listening to stuff, but they're just into what? They're into, and it just happens to every generation that the older people get out of touch with, like the younger people. Listen. But I mean, did I notice a trend of like deejays and EDM music coming in.

00:26:14:17 - 00:26:35:51
Unknown
Sure. And then I also noticed like a trend of like less people, but even like pre-COVID, like I noticed people don't like to get together in a band and just write songs together. Yeah. That much anymore. And which I feel like that was like the best part of high school and just and also just for me, just the best part of it all.

00:26:35:54 - 00:26:56:46
Unknown
It's just like coming up with the song every moment after that. It's just, you know, recording it, promoting it, going to play the show. It's just like the moment. It's the fun, the spark of like coming up with that. Are you playing on your albums? Are you playing guitar and everything? What are your what's your instrumentation? Well, I'm a drummer and a percussionist.

00:26:56:46 - 00:27:22:26
Unknown
I would say first, okay, but it depends. So, I do a lot of percussion on the records and I sing and then, you know, for like the Charlie Otto record that we did, I was leading the band and teaching them the songs, and we were in, like one big room with all the musicians. And so I'm.

00:27:22:31 - 00:27:50:02
Unknown
And it's, you know, I think we've maybe, maybe learned the song that we practiced. Cool. So, like singing and, trying to, like, sing and lead the song in the form of the song to try to get, like, the drummer, the bass player, the guitar player to, like, have a solid take. Right. And so I got a drummer so that I can, like, focus on teaching anyone who disagrees in my body math.

00:27:50:07 - 00:28:13:53
Unknown
Who's awesome now? These guys, I mean, are they Chicago guys or are they method Midwest Minneapolis now? Okay, but he was in a really awesome big band called, Mile High Club. It's just phenomenal. Sounds like a call room had there. I think they were like the main group was out of hell. Okay. It's just. Yeah, yeah, really like cinematic awesome music.

00:28:13:58 - 00:28:39:51
Unknown
And we're gonna listen to another one of your songs in a second here. You can. You have to tell us which one would you listen to? But, who do you like, have, a genre that you like to think that you're in because you seem like you kind of, you know, I like to say I make Gestalt songs for carbon forms.

00:28:39:55 - 00:28:58:07
Unknown
All right. That's why I love it. Because it's just, like, opens you up to whatever, you know. Right? And that, like, the start. Meaning that, like, the whole is bigger than the sum than the, like, the little parts forever. And so, like, my overarching whatever I, whatever it whatever it looks like, it's a big project at the end is what it will be.

00:28:58:07 - 00:29:11:21
Unknown
Because, I mean, I like to not be limited to just yeah, I know, and, you know, I just, I just want to make different. So like, I've got a song coming out next week that's it.

00:29:11:25 - 00:29:32:55
Unknown
It's just sounds like it was done in 60 minutes. And then, you know, a great musician like that is back. Yeah. He's a great, great fan. Yeah. We're. Yeah. I love the fact he jumps genres and I always I mean, I, you know, eclectic is kind of I always feel like the song usually dictates what kind of style you're going to me.

00:29:33:00 - 00:29:57:17
Unknown
I mean, I love the fact you did a country album. Yeah. Or almost all country maybe. You know, but, well, you know, we're talking with Nick. Stockholm's, and, we're going to, listen to another one of his tunes right now, strung Out. What are we going to hear? I guess since you mentioned that Leon Redbone song will, inspired song, and we'll put that on.

00:29:57:17 - 00:30:04:04
Unknown
It's called The Winds in China. Okay, I'll tell you what. Let's play it right now and we'll listen to it, and then we can talk about it. Oh that's fun.

00:30:04:04 - 00:30:41:39
Unknown
They say the wind and shadow caused by butterfly wings can lead to a tornado in Kansas. Timing is everything, and everything's all right. At least that's what this man says. Sunshine like dust particles called a light. And give away your possessions and sneak off in the night. They say the wind in China, caused by butterfly wing can help to age a coal into diamonds.

00:30:41:44 - 00:31:13:27
Unknown
After winning it on the sky, I got caught up in the night. I do more searching and finding the stars that twinkle like diamonds of the night. Make your innards look outward. And your outlook to feel right.

00:31:13:32 - 00:31:20:56
Unknown
Me.

00:31:21:01 - 00:31:28:53
Unknown
Me.

00:31:28:58 - 00:31:40:59
Unknown
A step in Montana. Walk by a Buffalo can lead to all the earthquakes in China.

00:31:41:04 - 00:31:52:35
Unknown
So shine up your spirit and polish it. Go and radiate all of your gifts from your.

00:31:52:35 - 00:32:10:36
Unknown
That is a great tune. And, I could listen to that. You know that style all day. And in fact, it's, it's just kind of, I just love the fact you've got the clarinet. You got the whole, vibe down nice. Perfectly, I think. Yeah. Thanks.

00:32:10:48 - 00:32:36:12
Unknown
And you also got, with your songwriting from that song. I love the the tongue in cheek, of that all about, you know, just, is that, an observation on life for you or just, like, you know, a song about maybe, oh, say, car bomb, but, like, you know, what you do over here affects what happens over there, right?

00:32:36:17 - 00:33:00:51
Unknown
Yeah. Does that fold into, like, you know, your feeling of, you know, you know, your place in the world? I mean, do you feel like your music, are you that butterfly are you causing or. I mean, I mean, but maybe. But, I'm not thinking about it like that. I think I just, I it's weird.

00:33:00:51 - 00:33:24:07
Unknown
Like, I just go, like, write a song and, it exists, and then. But I'm not. I'm not trying to think about it. I'm just like, well, right when I'm writing it, do you do look upon your music as, you know, is is this a livelihood or do you look upon this as, you know, a passion to be that?

00:33:24:12 - 00:33:56:03
Unknown
Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out who I am artistically. That's why I would say, like, every album or even other like, that record, there's, I think like 3 or 4 different voices that I kind of sing in. I love, I love the fact you're doing that. That's so true. Yeah. I, I don't know that I do or don't, I think it may be just like the fact that I haven't my artistic voice or the style that like you know, I wanted to but you know, I kind of knew that from the beginning, which is why I waited to have two records recorded.

00:33:56:03 - 00:34:14:04
Unknown
And cam, I did a Country record and like a funky record, and I put both out on the same day once they were done, so that I didn't want to be like, hey, man, your last album was country. And you know that if I put out a funk album, you know, if somebody would thought I was like a country artist or something.

00:34:14:04 - 00:34:42:25
Unknown
So I put them both out on the same day, kind of like that, like the the first. Whoever wants to quickly pigeonhole you, they can't. Yeah. You know, you know, but with your it's going to be hard to find a following now, but. Well, but I don't do it for that really. Let's talk about that too because I mean, you know, as a, club owner and as a musician, you know, you have to have some sort of following, you know, I mean, but, the people that are following you, I, I don't know.

00:34:42:40 - 00:35:23:38
Unknown
Well, I mean, if it continues to be a success to, like, have you somebody help you pay for your albums to do that? Like. Right. I don't know, I don't know, like, success is to me just like, actually putting something out that I wrote. Because like that to me is the magic part. I think it's like as a musician or magician, really, because like, who else gets to like, come up with their idea and their head and then like, created and put something out, like, it's really hard to do that other, you know, like other than with art, you know, I think that like, you know, if you, if you try to come

00:35:23:38 - 00:35:48:34
Unknown
up with an idea to make a building like that's a lot of work or to make a movie or, you know, it's but we have this opportunity to, like, make it really fast. Right? And and unlike designing a building or, you know, even visual art to some degree, you we, you also have this thing where you can bring that song out again and again and again, especially in a live performance.

00:35:48:34 - 00:36:14:28
Unknown
And it's not the same creature, that's for sure. You know, it'll be different. Yeah. So but as you know, as independent musicians there, there are some that, you know, working a day gig and that gives them the freedom from having the following per se. Right. And there's some that, you know, try to have the following. Neither approach is wrong.

00:36:14:33 - 00:36:32:10
Unknown
You know, it's just whatever you want, whatever. You know, how do you feel? I mean, how do you how do you, how do you feed this, this whole thing, you know, are you you know, I've been in a cover band. And, like, I enjoyed it, but after a certain kind of. It's all playing the same, you know?

00:36:32:25 - 00:36:58:47
Unknown
Sure. A handful of songs, but, depending on, like, what? You know, if you're, I don't know, just, I don't I don't think there's any with that. A lot of friends that do it, I do it. I did it on Saturday. But I'm like, do I? I get the same amount to do as, like going in the studio with my friends and, like, mixing it and, not saying, like, you consider it.

00:36:58:47 - 00:37:23:04
Unknown
It's just you full time good music. Oh, no, no, I, what else do you do? I do real estate and, like, property management stuff. Okay. Right. I have done that. Yeah, I run a couple Airbnbs and. Oh, I'll have to show you my RV, but, she. Yeah. Musicians. You have to find ways in which to feed the habit, so to speak, you know, and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:37:23:04 - 00:37:41:13
Unknown
I think, you know, I think that, you know, the the challenge and trying to, you know, the, the care and keeping of a following so people are able to do it. Some people aren't able to do it. I'm trying to get a job at UPS right now. You know, that'd be kind of ideal, I think.

00:37:41:17 - 00:38:05:37
Unknown
Just like, I think it's hard to be a realtor. I had my real estate license and, for a brief time. Yeah. And I realized, like, for, like, five years, I, I was all right at it, but I just. Yeah. You know, I'd rather just like, it's. I keep my head down and, like, you know, I don't know, I just found, like, the times that you have to show are usually on weekends.

00:38:05:42 - 00:38:38:43
Unknown
Yeah. And and evenings and like, that's like. Yeah, that's really slams into your whole music. Yeah. You know routine. Do you consider, you know now do you feel so do you feel like, you know, I mean, this is my home, you know, Chicago area. I'm going to, you know, I'm, I now have these, you know, different genres that I'm going to, follow whatever carbon life form listens.

00:38:38:48 - 00:38:57:35
Unknown
Or not. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so the commercial end of it, as much as one can say a commercial end of it for an independent musician. It's interesting, you kind of have to be philosophical about it. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you have to kind of look at it with, say it and just say, you know, I'm doing this because this is me.

00:38:57:39 - 00:39:21:04
Unknown
Yeah, and I have to do it. Yeah. But then there's this expectation sometimes that, you know, you know, I feel like regarding like your question about, like, cover bands, I feel like. Yeah, there was even if those people that, like, are in the diehard cover bands, crushing it, if they all would also just do this, like, then maybe we might get more people to come out to like, more of the like.

00:39:21:08 - 00:39:49:06
Unknown
And I don't want to put that, cover band people, and I'm going to cover band, like I said, but like, I just think that, like, what are we in it for? Like, it's just fun, even just like our songs like, let's just like, make some. Well, and like, I, I want to take that a step further and I think, you know, I, I always want to ask the audience or I just want to ask people that are out there, you know, what?

00:39:49:21 - 00:40:13:11
Unknown
What brings you into live music? I mean, there's that energy of live performance that you cannot capture in the studio, but and, you know, if you're going to and I get I get it, you know, I mean, you know, I've, I've played covers in my life and, still do, you know, with switchback, I mean, there's certain covers we do that, you know, we've bastardize to make sure.

00:40:13:16 - 00:40:39:13
Unknown
But the point the point being is, is, you know, your audience, the audience I feel nowadays almost has to be educated. I mean, we kind of lost the way with our, you know, maybe the younger generation. And in the sense that, you know, they've chosen a different route of appreciating and taking in music, except for Taylor Swift fans who the millions.

00:40:39:18 - 00:41:00:25
Unknown
But, but that's that's a whole other can of worms. I mean, the small clubs, people coming in, people experiencing that, you know, do you, do you think that's going to be a thing of the past? Do you think like that's, you know. No, I mean, it's increasingly harder to run a business, a small business. Would you would you ever open up a club again?

00:41:00:30 - 00:41:19:12
Unknown
I would not, yeah. You know that I could that. Why now? Why is it you know, I don't know. I've got a friend trying to open up one right now. And he's, like, consulting on it. And, I think he's going to do well, but I just. I don't want to. I don't, you know, it's just not for me at this point.

00:41:19:26 - 00:41:42:16
Unknown
I've got two kids. And, are they musical or. They saw me play yesterday for the first time with the band. Oh, wow. How was it? Well, not not for the first time, but first time. Like with this band. Yeah. And for the first time, my son is, like. Just like, really hard about music and, like, he's just like, you ask him if you like something, and he's never.

00:41:42:16 - 00:41:59:48
Unknown
He doesn't like it, you know, and, which is fine. You know, I think that's like a kid's job is to go against other parents. Like. Like, but for the first time yesterday, he's like, generally, I like the music. And, I was like, oh, would you like. It's like, I really like the drums. Oh. And I was like, oh, that's cool.

00:42:00:03 - 00:42:28:12
Unknown
That's, you know, chip off the old block that maybe that was really next, you know? Yeah. I mean, with my daughter, you know, she's been around it, you know, and she plays a lot of instruments. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. She, you know, and, but I, I've never forced it. I mean, I just kind of almost, my job is like, like, you know, I'm still hoping she'll become a neurosurgeon.

00:42:28:16 - 00:43:00:57
Unknown
Because it's not, you know, what we're doing is I, I think one of the hardest things to do. Yeah, yeah. No, I know, I agree. Yeah, I would, I try to save, maybe use a little reverse psychology. Like, those are dad's guitars. You are not allowed to touch them right now. Right. Well, that's, you know, that's funny you say that because, we we have a song and switch back drawn to like, which is about Stevie, Stevie Ray Vaughan and, you know, and Jimmy, Jimmy Vaughan would beat the crap out of Stevie, Stevie Ray, you know, don't touch.

00:43:01:02 - 00:43:29:36
Unknown
And then leave. And, you know, he is on top of it, you know, and, so that's, it's the reverse psychology. Yes. Well, that's good. Just work. You know, to some degree. So, what are you what are your goals now? I mean, you're you're you're recording your are you performing out your material with the band, and, well, sometimes we'll play, like, I'm going to duo with, with, the piano player.

00:43:29:36 - 00:43:55:35
Unknown
And we've done, like, so many originals. We have him just recorded a record. Okay. I went, I got a hankering to just, like, write a book to New Orleans inspired music. And I went to New Orleans for, like, three days and hired a little local piano player down there to, like, sit in my Airbnb. We rented Airbnb a piano and wrote a bunch of tunes for a couple days, and that was like a dream come true.

00:43:55:35 - 00:44:17:15
Unknown
It was really cool. It was, Papa John's gross is awesome anywhere out there? Yeah, I don't know him, but, he's great for it. Yeah, I was going to go back down there and record it, and then just. I had my daughter and then just time sucked away and yeah, it just became more. It just hard to get down there and record a record for a week.

00:44:17:20 - 00:44:43:32
Unknown
You know, we had to take some of the tracks. So yeah, I got all the, you know, the stuff we worked on on my phone. And then, for a long time, I was looking for a keyboard player here in Chicago that can kind of do that, Professor Longhair. Yeah. So and it's really hard to do. Yes. And, I put out several calls on, like, a musician's page to try to find someone or even, like, met a couple people, but they just they couldn't hang, really.

00:44:43:32 - 00:45:03:19
Unknown
Or we just didn't vibe like, I like one guy. I smoked pot, and, there I was just like, hey, I'm going to go into the other room to smoke, you know? And then I came back into this, into the room, and, he was upset that, that, like, I brought, you know, up my butt. I smell like weed in the room.

00:45:03:24 - 00:45:23:29
Unknown
And I was like, oh, this isn't going to work, man. I'm like, okay, the musicians like, I just I just went outside to, like, took the advice, right? You never been. You're being considerate. Yeah. And and then what do you have to spare or whatever. He didn't have the though right. Long hair style anyway, but like, I made that post a few times.

00:45:23:29 - 00:45:45:23
Unknown
I've didn't work, and it was like I got the hankering to just make it one more time, and it was more of a little bit more specific than just like, have you played Professor Long Hair also? Okay. Are you willing to like, learn bluegrass on piano? Or, you know, like, still tunes on piano? Let's turn you into that because that's so, different from, like, Professor Wrong here.

00:45:45:23 - 00:46:05:01
Unknown
I mean, you're now you're you're kind of moving. I think it's just maybe, like Colorado thing where, like, I was going, I would see Leon Redbone and Bluegrass in the same year. Yeah. And I was 16, you know, just I'd see him at the festivals. Yeah, well, you might like our stuff. I mean, we're like Celtic Americana. Oh, that's awesome.

00:46:05:01 - 00:46:32:21
Unknown
You know, I'm sure I would start out playing Irish music, but. Oh, no, I can appreciate that. You know, that desire. I'm learning a bunch of Irish tunes like great right now, actually. Yeah. Capers. What's meant? Are you, capers? The Wonder Dog is, patrolling for us. Let's, Do you have anything, bluegrass that you want to play, or do you have any of the stuff I I've got?

00:46:32:32 - 00:46:52:05
Unknown
Oh, hey. Like you, Susan. I've seen the say or, you know, is there something that the public has the option to, you know, check out this blue. I guess this could be a local. The grassy.

00:46:52:10 - 00:47:08:35
Unknown
It's called, like, it's called, like bands for out, like, underground or with scrums here. And it's with, my buddy Marc Lamont. Good. Let's listen to dobro. Oh, hello. Dobro. Let's listen it.

00:47:08:35 - 00:47:30:15
Unknown
Where you heard a certain sound on the radio that you heard a thousand times before, but you found a new meaning and you can't describe the feeling part bounced from ceiling, the floor. I want to go where the light bends round at the rainbow. The red even lower. I want to go where the future is bright. There's a stage behind every a door.

00:47:30:20 - 00:48:06:11
Unknown
I'm a turtle, I'm the things. He's a rabbit. Dangle the carrot and I'll grab it. They pass me a torch. We play guitar reports from heaven and. I want to go where the light bends round at the rainbows. Ready to roll. I want to go where the future is bright. There's a stage behind every car door.

00:48:06:16 - 00:48:13:05
Unknown
I.

00:48:13:10 - 00:48:42:31
Unknown
Will hear the song. You better watch your tongue. Or a perforated paper might just get you spun. You got no idea where I come from. But. One thing about Carl Young that he forgot to say. Though he rarely went astray, was a mother's trick in hip hop. Hooray! I want to go where the life ends round. And the rainbows are ready to roam.

00:48:42:35 - 00:48:59:01
Unknown
I want to go where the future is bright. There's a stage behind every barn door.

00:49:00:57 - 00:49:16:44
Unknown
I don't know why I played that one. It's not one of my favorite for better tunes, but I like, I like it. I think anybody that can reference Kyle Young in a song is, I'm a fan of with a made up quarter.

00:49:16:48 - 00:49:43:38
Unknown
We're we're running things down here on this first podcast. I'm going to have Nick on the second one, where we get delve a little more into his, creative, you know, the songwriting process. But, you know, you are you're an interesting, you're very, interesting person because you've walked a lot of different roads, you know, to get to where you're you're at right now and you're not walking, which is kind of nice, you know?

00:49:43:38 - 00:50:07:17
Unknown
I mean, you know, I like the fact that you're, you're just, you're, you know, devoted to the idea of just keeping the creativity going. And, and I think that's that's really important because I think a lot of people kind of lose that. Yeah. You know, as far as, you know, maybe tucking into a genre and just hanging on to it for, for dear life and such.

00:50:07:22 - 00:50:29:29
Unknown
But, I mean, it helps to have, like, good friends that you can call on that, like, you know, like, like last Monday, I was riding horn lines with my buddy Greg. It's like, well, you know, he's he's helping me flesh it out because I, you know, I can hear something, but I can't write it down. You know, you know, it's interesting with you is you got these musicians in your recording at your house.

00:50:29:29 - 00:50:49:14
Unknown
Do you feel like maybe, the way to reach your audience is by also kind of a collective means? I mean, you know, like, you know, you have these Airbnbs. I mean, they're almost like they could be performance spaces, or you didn't have a barn, like a house cabin with like ten acres. And I did this throw quite a few parties.

00:50:49:23 - 00:51:14:01
Unknown
Yeah. And I would try to perform at them, but also just like I didn't want to be like the guy that's like featuring my band at the festival, you know, and then also just kind of running it all right, too. So. Well, it's hard, but still, you know, I mean, I mean, I've done it, but that's again where that's where it's, it's like I gotta have the band come out and, you know, force some force.

00:51:14:01 - 00:51:37:31
Unknown
My songs. And which is like, I've got friends that are willing to do it, but like, it just seems like a lot of work where I'd rather just be like, hey, let's come over and like, let's just work out a new song, right? And then we have that right. And like, you know, we played this show and like, sure, it was fun, but we didn't get to keep anything from it, you know?

00:51:37:31 - 00:51:59:24
Unknown
And I just like making tunes that like, yeah, I get to, you know, revisit or like, really it's for my kids to kind of like get to know who I was. I would say, right. Probably like my main reason I make music, I think, you know, okay, I, I, I totally appreciate that. And I think that, I think that's very free.

00:51:59:29 - 00:52:17:19
Unknown
Yeah. Don't. Do you feel that way? I mean, do you feel like, hey, I kind of know why I'm doing this, so, you know. Yeah, it's it is. Right. You know, like, I don't have to be in a club. I don't have to have a band. I don't have to. I'm just. I'm doing this, and I don't have to have an audience necessarily.

00:52:17:19 - 00:52:34:49
Unknown
Yeah, no, that's for sure. You know, and I typically don't have very many my monthly listeners. And I try not to, like, let it get me down, because that's not how I do it. I have to like, find myself, though, like I'm only doing this like, I mean, it's nice to be appreciated and like, heard and stuff, but like, it's more of a self-discovery thing.

00:52:34:49 - 00:52:56:33
Unknown
I like. Well, if it was a level playing field, you know, I think, you know, you might, you know, I'll speak for myself. I know that the playing field is not level. So therefore, when I get those feelings, I have to remind myself, yeah, it's not a level playing field. Even if it is, it's like shit.

00:52:56:41 - 00:53:21:43
Unknown
People's stuff is more powerful than mine. Or just like, I just like to do, you know, I think your stuff is very palatable. From what I've listened, I've enjoyed the hell out of it. And, and, how can people get in touch with you? I guess on, Instagram, I am Doctor Stark. Rooms on Facebook. I've got just start stark rooms on Facebook and then you can listen.

00:53:21:43 - 00:53:41:27
Unknown
You can stream my music anywhere you stream music. I would say, okay, great. We're going to be, putting that into, the visual. And you also those of you that are listening to it just as an audio, you'll see it in the notes, how you can hunt down Doctor Stark realms, which I even like better than stark.

00:53:41:32 - 00:54:02:49
Unknown
I don't know why, but Doctor Stark comes. I like the nom de guerre game about, you know, because I think that frees you again. You know, it. I think for what you're doing, you you all you almost, I think you need that. Right. You can maybe. Do you want to have that persona? I mean, I like Leon Redbone.

00:54:02:49 - 00:54:21:05
Unknown
Yeah, like you said, you know. Hey, he he wasn't in character, so. I mean, I just thought that was interesting. You said that, you know, one of my life records I did, that you can only find it if you're searching for sealed casket, but it's actually under that. It's a stark. It's the Scott Jackson. And I was like, my character.

00:54:21:10 - 00:54:43:43
Unknown
And I did like, a whole album with, like, a British accent. And like, I love that. I just, I do like, I feel like every song is a bit of a character or something, and it's like a little bit of me and a little bit of something else. And I don't know if that's just because I haven't. I'm just trying stuff out or if I haven't found like my true voice.

00:54:43:52 - 00:55:05:16
Unknown
But either way, like, I just, I listen fun. Like sometimes I'll record a song like three different ways. I, I have no, I have no problem with the idea of channeling a voice. Yeah. You know, we did a song on an album, old barn dance. And, you know, I wrote it because my daughter was.

00:55:05:18 - 00:55:23:24
Unknown
She was born in the polar vortex. Oh, yeah. Cool. And so I had, I had to get her up and walk around, and it was freezing cold in this house because this house, built in 1908, has no insulation whatsoever. And she would be crying and say, hey, you know, Pop's got a whole black jeans. He was getting around.

00:55:23:24 - 00:55:42:57
Unknown
I thought, well, I'll just change that to popsicle bananas. Oh, you know, doe skin pants. Okay, I think that's not a little more like, you know, you know, and, and then, calico shirt, you know, it's just kind of a call, an answer kind of thing, but it came up with this bottle all, you know, that's.

00:55:43:02 - 00:56:00:01
Unknown
And, I had a friend, a musician that I respect. And she said to me, why are you doing that? And I said, because I knew if I sang it, my voice, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be cool, you know? And I wouldn't it wouldn't it wouldn't serve the song. Yeah. All right. You know what I mean?

00:56:00:07 - 00:56:19:00
Unknown
Yeah. That's nice. I think that's. I think that's awesome that you're. You know, I don't think you need to find your voice. Yeah. You know, I think you have a voice. I think I'm getting closer. So, like, every record, I feel like I'm getting slightly closer. Maybe a little bit. Well, I hope. I hope when you find your.

00:56:19:14 - 00:56:42:26
Unknown
What you think your true voice is, that doesn't stop your food from trying another 1 trillion characters in it, because the fact that you can channel those things and they come out, I think, I mean, I'm a huge weights fan, like I've seen them like 12 or 13 times and, and and even though he's putting on a character, so to speak, it's like, yeah, I wouldn't want it any other way.

00:56:42:37 - 00:57:04:10
Unknown
Well, and you're early, Tom waits. Oh yeah. The guy had a, a very polished, beautiful way. He sure did the early years and then. Yeah. And then I went down to, you know. It was like a full singer and, I don't know, you know, but, one last question. Are you a writer? Do you write as well?

00:57:04:15 - 00:57:26:56
Unknown
You strike me as somebody. Yeah. You have to be a writer. Yeah, yeah. Hey, are you going to pursue that? No. Probably not, but, like, I don't know, like, I, I've been writing a lot of jokes lately. Okay. I'm working on a little comedy, so I've, like, dabbled with comedy over the years, but I think I'm going to my son is is really good at drawing.

00:57:26:56 - 00:57:49:59
Unknown
And so I just took one of his drawings and animated it for him and some AI software, and I just and it was a turkey. So I just like whatever made some silly dialog for it. But he loved it. Great. My daughter loved it. So I'm like, oh, I can like write little jokes. Let's have his, animations kind of animated and be an animated out and be a fun little project.

00:57:49:59 - 00:58:20:54
Unknown
So I'm doing that right now. Oh, well, I want to thank you for being on this podcast. And, the next interview we're going to do, we'll get more into music, but I, I just want to, you know, recap that I think it's great that you kind of define who you are. You're honest about trying to find your voice, and but you're also, you know, you're very grounded in the sense, like, you know, I'm also thinking about my kids, thinking about the legacy for them going down the road.

00:58:20:58 - 00:58:42:40
Unknown
You know, you strike me as a person that doesn't have, you know, it's not carrying around a big ego and that's, you know, congratulations. You know, and I mean, you're in the, you're in the toughest business there is, I think, you know, outside of maybe visual arts where you have to carry set of band equipment, you have to just try.

00:58:42:43 - 00:59:01:40
Unknown
That's just not a business because I'm not making money, you know? It's just like a calling. Yeah. I just feel like, you know, I have really separated that. And I would love to be able to subsidize it with just more money coming in from it, but like, I'm doing it regardless. And I've been doing it since I was 15 regardless.

00:59:01:40 - 00:59:23:32
Unknown
I mean, I just remember like when you were 15, it was like we got, you know, forget about how much it was back. I it was like 500 bucks at some bad studio. And then they give you like 50 takes. You know, I just, I just I've just always loved doing that, putting stuff out and like, you know, we would make tapes and then like, sell them at school.

00:59:23:37 - 00:59:47:11
Unknown
Yeah. And I just, I loved that. And even now you can't sell them. Now it's just like you can make it really easy to just put stuff out. Oh, yeah. Well, I, I salute your creativity. And, we, are going to talk to Nick in the next, interview. We're going to get a little more into the creative process that he likes to employ.

00:59:47:15 - 01:00:12:57
Unknown
And for those of you, Doctor Stark comes look for him. There's a great picture of him out near Marengo. Allen's, by the way, which, you know, he had a beard and everything now. Yeah. I was like, looking, I was like, I can't wait to talk. So, and thank you guys for, tuning in, listening. And, we're going to be back, with the next interview with Nick right after, you see this one?

01:00:13:02 - 01:00:19:07
Unknown
And, thanks for, supporting the show. We'll talk to you later. Bye bye.

01:00:19:07 - 01:00:36:50
Unknown
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01:00:36:55 - 01:00:49:42
Unknown
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