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I have a new favorite TV show - AMC’s Interview with the Vampire. Which is interesting, cuz' one of my other favorite tv shows is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And my other favorite is Hannibal. I might be morbid, or I might just have EXCELLENT TASTE IN TELEVISION. Fun game - see if you can guess which portion of this episode I wrote using AI because I had a brief moment where I thought about giving up podcasting so I turned to machine intelligence in desperation to just finish this one. (I'm not quitting but lady, there are times when throwing that towel in looks peaceful...)

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Hello and Happy New Year! I’m your host J. Harvey, and I have a new favorite TV show. It’s called Interview with the Vampire. And if you’re like, Interview with the Vampire, you mean the movie from the 90s with Tom Cruise in a wig eating rats and pretending like he doesnt want to suck Brad Pitt’s…blood, yes THAT’S THE ONE. But it all started as a book series which came to be called the Vampire Chronicles written by the dearly departed Anne Rice. Interview with the vampire being the first and most famous book in the series.  

The vampire chronicles have been made into two movies, one that’s pretty good, the Tom Cruise/Brad Pitt/Kirsten Dunst one thats trying everything it can not to be a gay vampire story even though its a gay vampire story, and another movie after that one that I wont saything too badly about cuz I miss Aaliyah too. And then - present day - a writer/producer named Rolin Jones has made the Vampire Chronicles into a streaming series for AMC and it’s so goddamn good, and if you like gay vampire catty tragidramacomedy and blood-soaked sex and violence done very stylishly and with really good art direction and costumes and razorsharp writing and queer queer queer than have I got the show fo ryou. 

Anyway tonight Im gonna nominate IWTV as your newest TV obsession because, if youre like me with some depressive tendencies, this cold dark time of year is the absolute worst, and I know you can use all the distracvtion you can, and thats what well told stories are for, to take us anywhere but here, right? Plus, youve probably already finished Heated Rivalry and if youre a mo like me, youre tired of straight women askign you if you like hockey. Shut the fuck up, wine moms. I kid. I love any sort of representation, particularly if its attached to guys with hockey butts. Cuz damn,. What was I talking about? Oh right -  Wicked Gay Pp Whatwver #7 Interview ith the Vampire, the tv version

So, per the usual pop whatever, im going to give you a little background on the topic, and then spoil the stuffing out of everything because I have this weird obsession with flapping my gums about stuff I think evderybody should watch,. 

Anne Rice was born Howard Allen O’Brien in 1941 in New Orleans, a city that would permanently shape her imagination — cuz it was gothic, l, decaying, and devout and kinda illicitly sexy all at once. She was Raised in a strict Irish Catholic household, and yes, her given name was Howard, and Rice said that her parents never fully explained why, other than they just liked the name. Ok.  She often told the story that she simply told her teacher on the first day of school that she wanted to be called “Anne,” After  moving to California with her high school sweetheart, she pursued writing in San Francisco during the height of the hippi emovement, while navigating poverty, and devastating personal tragedy, including the death of her young daughter — which was a loss that she poured directly into the grief and immortality obsessions of Interview with the Vampire. Published in 1976 after years of rejection, the novel resurrecting the vampire myth for the modern age. It was Rice’s work that brought vampires back to the forefront post Bram Stoker. And I mean theyve stayed, Buffy, Twilight, people love vampires. And her first book eventually turned into a 13 book series…

which follows interconnected vampires across centuries—most notably Lestat de Lioncourt, a flamboyant, rebellious antihero who evolves from villain to narrator to rock star to ruler of the vampire world. Through lush prose and gothic settings, Rice explored themes of immortality, religion, sexuality, identity, and loneliness.

So, here’s where where I admit, ive only read the first four books of the vampire chronicles. And my opinion is yeah really only gotta read the first three. After the third one, things, well, let me catch you up if you havent read them and then get into why I never finished and why you shouldn’t worry about it. 

Interview with the Vampire (1976)
Louis de Pointe du Lac recounts his transformation into a vampire in 18th-century Louisiana and his tortured immortality, haunted by guilt, morality, and his inability to reconcile killing with conscience. His maker, the charismatic and cruel Lestat, embraces vampirism without remorse, and their uneasy bond deepens when they create the child vampire Claudia, whose eternal youth becomes a tragic prison. The novel explores loneliness, love, power, and the cost of eternal life.

The Vampire Lestat (1985)
Shifting perspectives, Lestat tells his own origin story — from his mortal youth in pre-Revolutionary France to his transformation by the ancient vampire Magnus and his rise as a flamboyant, fame-seeking immortal rock star in the modern world. Lestat reframes the events of Interview, revealing a more vulnerable, curious, and philosophical character while expanding the mythology of vampires, their powers, history, and hierarchy.

The Queen of the Damned (1988)
The ancient vampire queen Akasha awakens after hearing Lestat’s music and decides to remake the world by nearly exterminating humanity and ruling alongside him. Vampires from around the globe converge to stop her, uncovering the origins of vampirism itself — tied to Akasha and her husband Enkil in ancient Egypt. The book weaves multiple viewpoints into an epic confrontation about power, free will, survival, and the future of the vampire race.

And then we came to the tale of body thief, which I remember hating it was a long tim ago., So in the vampire chronicles there’s an organization called the Talamascqa which researched the paranormal, which, cool idea, and very intriguing, theyve got a big Lestat file fo rinstance, but the body thief concerns the talamsace and the head guy in charge and lestage go on an adventure together, and i can remember felling like queen of the damned was so good, whatts this shit, and it turned me off from finingihg, so admitteld, there are NINE vampire chronicles chronicles i  never read, Just never got around to it. And from whats ive read the first three are the ones to read, the rest are kinda…eh…for instance, she ends up attributing vampires to uhk Atlantis and extraterrestrials. Oh dear. But maybe im wrong. Write me at wickedgaypod at gmail or on social media at wickedgaaypod and let me know how wrong io am, ill listen and try to read them all!

And then we come to the adoptions of the vampire chronicles prior to the AMC series. Whoo boy.Ok, 1994, Director Neil Jordan gave us Interview with the Vampire the  movie, ya had Cristen Slater doing his budget Nicholson thing as Interviewer twink Daniel, a junior miss Kirsten Dunst as pissed off Claudia and her perm, Antonio Banderas as Armand eyefucking the stuffing out of Brad Pitt, at the height of his youth era power as Louis and in what was the most talked about casting since they made Chris PRatt Mario, Tom Cruise as Lestat. And let me tell you, Anne Rice was spitting nails over this. She was so against Tom Cruise playing her beloved LEstat that she even went public about it, saying what a shitty choice he was. She had Rutger Hauer in mind. The movie’s ok, Kirsten’s great, BRad Pitt was hired because he looked the part, he struggles in this movie, some of the dialogue comes out of his mouth like word bricks., and they try like hell to expunge any over queeriosity from it which is why i always congratulate Antonio when I watch it because he knew the actual assignment, this is basically a big gay story about two dudes in a toxic relationsop and their bandaid baby. And after a recent rewatch, Tom Cruise is pretty good in it,. he definitely shut people up about how Maverick was gonna play a hainty bisexual vampire fop person. The rigth wig can do wonders for a role. Anne Rice even issued a public apology to Tom which was big of her. This movie’s worth a watch but in truth, it walked so the new show could run the Boston Marathon, I mean in the show, Lestat fucks Louis from the back while theyre levitating in the air nude Cruise and Pitt would never.

Oh, and there’s a Queen of the Damned movie that no one wanted them to do, but Interview made some money. For some reason, Hollywood just leapfrogged over adapting The Vampire Lestat and just went straight to the Queen. The cast is sort of made up of unknowns so they didnt have to pay anybody, Cruise had moved on cuz they skipped the Vampire Lestat movie. I don’t think Louis is even in the movie. It tries to be very 90s edgelord with lots of chokers and a generic NIN lite soundtrack. The only redeeming aspect of it is the late great Aliyah as Akasha the Queen of the Damned herself. She doesnt do much but slink around and set people on fire with her mind, but she friggin LOOKS the part, so we salute you queen.

And that was it until Rice and her son Christopher bought the rights back and they went to AMC, and created Anne Rice’s Immortal Universe. Oh, I should note that, she also wrote a series of books about witches, and the two book series eventually intertwine so the vampires and witches interact in the later Vampire Chronicles and they throw that Talamasa group in and now they've each got their own their tv show. I havent watched Mayfair Witches or The Talamasca show yet but the reviews weren’t stellar, so I’m going to hold off until that changes. And they had damn well better not dilute Interview my baby.

Ok, so Octoner 2022, and I cant believe i didnt watch S1 untl a couple of years kater, AMC gives us Interview with the Vampire, the series. And they switch some stuff up, the timeline for one, it’s 2022, they do note there’s been a pandemic, and Eric Bogosian is playing Daniel. But whereas Daniel was a starry-eyed twink interviewer in the book which took place in the late 70s,, he’s now basically a character clearly based on the persona of the late great Anthony Bourdain except not a uber sarcastic celebrity chef traveling gourmand,, Daniel’s now a crotchetcy old rock n roller type journalist who is giving masters classes online and he’s also got Parkinsons, and he DID interview Louis in the 70s in San Francisco, but doesnt remember a lot of it, and then receives a box of tapes from those interview sessions, and he’s summoned to Dubai of all places, where the ultra rich Louis now lives in a big UV protected tower, and wants to resume the interview. 

Speaking of switching things up Louis is now played by the superb Jacob Anderson, who is a gentleman of color, and Louis being black adds a whole layer to this story which begans now in turn of the century Norleans as opposed to the 1790s, Louis no longer starts off as a plantation owner for obvious reasons, he’s now an entrepreneur type, from an African-American family of means, because he expanded their failing sugar cane business  into brothels and gambling parlors, he’s shrewd at business and pimping and he’s trying to grow but you can imagine the obstacles he encounters, he’s constantly having to cowtow to the white dudes he has to deal with in business, and its clearly wearing on him. And in addition to being black, he’s also full on gay. There is no subtext pussyfooting around, he’s strictly dickly but DL out of necessity. 

Jacob Andersen is incredible, but then his Louis goes to hang out with this favorite lady friend of the evening, he’s still faking being into ladies to keep appearing as normal as possionle, and he meets this mysterious blonde Frenchman, who wins the lady friend out from under him that evening, but there is serious chemistry with the frenchman. This is Lestat De Lioncourt played by Sam Reid who I found out is Australian. So Sam Reid is Lestat. This guy embodies Lestat in everyway, the wit, the crazy, the passion, someone go check on Anne Rice’s corpse because you’re gonna find her skull busted open cuz Sam Reid as Lestat clearly sprang straight out of her head. Tom Cruise should call Sam Reid from whatever plummet aircraft he’s currently stunting on for a movie and apologize to him profusely for even attempting to play Lestat. That’s how good this mofo is. 

So Lestat falls in obsessive love with Louis and start basically stalking and terrorizing him until, after the unfortunate death of his mentally ill brother, Louis goes to confession one stormy bight and Lestat shows up brutally eats/murders the priests and Louis accepts the dark gift and becomes his vampire lover. And they’re now officially a thing. They move in together, they have a secret room in their beautiful townhouse with their matching coffins side by side,Louis keeps trying to grow his business empire with Lestat as a not always silent partner. Lestat is a hundreds of years old vampire, so he’s got the cash. And they have lots of making out and sexy time, and there’s not a lot fo reasons Im glad its the 2020s but one of the reasons im glad im alive when I am is because dudes are fucking on TV, this show, and then my hockey friends on Heated Rivalry. Aint not turning back now, we is definitely fuckling, we being the menfolk, IM here for it. 

But all is…not wel in Norleans with our vampire heroes, anti heroe4s.l. Louis falls into a guilt spiral upon finding out he needs to eat people to live, something Lestat is just fine with and takes immense pleasure in, humans are the food, why do you keep bringing God and morality into this Louis.Lestat is the jealous, type, and if he feels he’s been crossed or disrspected he will kill. And be extremely petty about it. . Louis is quickly findign himself in the role of abused partner in this toxic relatoonshop. And then Louis gets too big in the eyes of the treacherous white men running the city, and they basically force his businesses into ruin. Out of rage, Louis kills and then brutally displays the worst offender, and this causes a race riot in the city, and the quarter where Louis operated, i think its called, Storyville, is razed, 

And here we meeting Claudia, initiallty played by Bailey Bass, who’s phenomenal. She’s black in this telling, too, and they aged her up to 14, which means you can do a lot more with the character. Louis rescues her from one of the buildings that got burned down, so he feels responsible for her because she’s burnt to a crisp and about to die, and he pleads with Lestat to help him turn her to save her.

Now, I should note, the narrative goes back and forth from Louis telling Daniel the story of his time in New Orleans with Lestat and Claudia, telling the story, again, in Dubai. And Daniel is not an gentle interviewer, he’s constantly needling Louis about the story  repeatedl;y popinting out that Lestat was an abuser whom Louis seems to be making excuses for, and trying to catch him in lies, comparing the story Louis told him back in San Francisco in the 70s with the ones he’s telling now. 

So they’re one big, unhappy famly,. Until Claudia, like in the book, realizes she’s going to be a tween in physicality forever and ever, and goes a little mental. This leads to all sorts of chaotic mess, including the part where she lashes out by killing a ton of people in the city adn then hiding the corpses in her bedroom. After they castigate her, and Lestat, unable to deal with anyone in his orbit being unhappy or asking questions deeper than shall we kill a man or a woman tonight, is annoyed ored and disguised with her, and veryoppen about it, she runs away. We learn that in the several years she was gone, she was going to different colleges and libraries trying to get answers about vampires, In the meantime, Louis is so bullshit with Lestat for driving their adopted daughter away that he completely shuts him out emotionally and romantically and stops leaving the house,m gets rats delivered via the early 1900s version GrubHubm and basically drives Lestat insane. Their townhouse gets really hoarders. 

Oh, I should also point out here that in this universe, the olderyou get th emore powers you get, youre telepathic automatically, buyt the holder you are the more you an hear from ar away. So Lestat can hear vampire thoughts from Europe and back. You cant read the mind of the vamps you create thought and vice versa. Also, Lestat is pyrokinetic, and can fly. The flying part will become important in the next paragraph

So Claudia returns, and Louis is overjoyed that their daughter is back, but she’s still basically dead to Lestat, as she anaboed them, plus over the years, she took LOuis’ attention from him and he hates when someone else is pulling the focus off him. Claudia didnt learn mich, and unfortunately, the only other vampire she met, ended up being about 1000 times worse than Lestat, so this a vampire story and vampire stories are often horror stories, and this series gets REALLY dark at times, we learn that the other vampire Claudia met, inexplicably named Bruce physically and sexually assaulted her and kept her captive for an amount of time, and its now the great trauma of her already traumatic existence, And this particular episode keeps it dark as Lestat is revealed as the true villain of the piece and the audience is confronted with how seductive his charisma is because its been covering up a true monster,

Claudia wants to save Louis from his poisonous lover, and begs him to run way with her to Europe to try and find more vampires, hopefully the non-rapist kind. This is the final straw for Lestat. He promptly moves to end Claudia, Louis steps in and Lestat beats the shit out of him. It’s an ugly, brutal scene because the viewer, while aware of Lestat’s tendency to cruelty, is now faced with the true extent of it. 

Lestat drags Louis already broken body outside, drags him seemingly by putting his fingers through the underside of Louis' chin, and then surprise FLIES AWAY with him to Claudia’s shock and horror. Miles up into the sky over the city, twinkling lights below, and an already bloodied and broken Louis begs Lestat to just let him go. Which Lestat does, literally. Louis plummets to earth, somehow survives the fall, but is near death when Claidia finds him, Lesta gently landing near them, cold and impassive

And after a decade more of back and forth, Claudia decides Lestat has to die for his crimes and for her and Louis to be free. Louis ends up slitting Lestat's throat, and its all well and good and hello Europe and Season 2.

Except, Louis didnt incinerate Lestat’s corpse like he was supposed to, he had him thrown in a dump, where there’s plenty of rats to feed on, so he aint dead, And in Dubai, where Louis is telling Daniel this story, the big twist is that Rasheed, Louis’ main servant who has been in on these interview sessions serving the wine and food and blood for his boss and the journalist, well Rasheed is actually the Vampire Armand, Louis' bf of 70 something years. Big plot twist. 

And thats season one. The first two seasons of this breatatking show are splitting the book in half, which is good, it lets you get in depth and much richer than a two hour movie.

And we didnt get Season 2 until May of 2024. This is and expensive show, and it looks it, and you need time to craft something this lovingly. Now, Season 2 is chiefly concerned with the events of the second half of Anne Rice’s Interview with the Vampire. It’s Louis and CLaudia’s time in Paris, the story of the Theater les Vampires, and also of Armand and Louis’ relationship, ultimately demonstrating that Louis is shit at picking men. There are all types of abuse, even gentle kinds, like deceit said in soft tones. For the majority of the season, Lestat is supposedly dead, he’s just a ghost Louis talks to, until his magnificent reemergence near the end. We’ll get there.

We open with Louis and Claudia trudging through a broken, battle-scarred Europe right at the tale end of World War 2, looking for their kin. They find one ancient female vampire and her feral fledgling and when invited to become a coven with them, hurls herself into a fireplace, i mean i know child vampires are off putting and Louis is kind of a downer, but damn that was harsh. Oh, and I should mention that the part of Claudia is now being played by Delainey Hayles. The first actor went off to be in the Avatar movies. Delainey is a different Claudia, a little more caustic and evident that she’s had enough of Louis bullshit. I was prepared to not love her but i did, i love both the Claudias. Anyway, they end up in Paris, where they take in a show of the Theater Les Vampires. The theatre is just another reason this show is so richly, beautifully thought out and created. The theater stages these sort of penny dreadful plays where the schtick is hah hah we're vampires acting for you humans, but the gag is they really ARE vampires and each night’s show ends with them killing a human in front of the audience who think its just a show. And their shows also use these beautiful projections and animation and seriously, this show goes all out. The Theater is a big coven/cult and the mysterious Armand is its leader, he directs all the production and he’s bored out of his tits, and then Louis shows up,. Vampires love Louis. Louis has taken up photography and he’s obsessed with documenting post-war Paris, abd Claudia feels like she’s finally found a tribe as she joins the theate and endures the hazing, and finds herself cast as a little girl in one of their weirdo plays, but its a role she’s going to find herself having to play for decades so she’s kinda back in hell. Until she meets a local seamstress named Madeline. A fiery woman is giving Chapel Roan to me, there’s chemistry there, lets try to ignore Claudia is stuck at age 14.

Meanwhile, a very important fact, the very first night the vamps met the theater show kids after they note a portrait of the theater’s co-creator on the dressing room wall - Lestat De Lioncourt. yep, he was the theater cofounder, along with Armand, and he and Armand were lovers for a bit, too. And one unassailable rule of vampire life is you don't kill other vampires. And Claudia and Louis have, they killed a very important man. Armand is very powerful and very old and can read minds past their psychic defenses and knows about their crime , and says they need to keep their mouths shit or the theater will kill all of them if they find out. There’s one actor, Santiago, played by Ben Daniels, who wants Armand’s gig, and is highly suspicious of the newbies. and he’s their eventual downfall. 

Let me say here that Ben Daniels is so good as Santiago that the other Mr. Harvey and I wanted a Santiago spinoff miniseries, he’s as funny as Lestat and deadly charismatic, He should play Satan. And the showrunners knew what a treasure he is, because they gave his ass a whole monologue in his first appeaance and keep highlighting him whenever possible. I should say there’s not a bad actor in the bunch here, Assad Zaman who plays Armand, is hypnotic with his big gold eyes and quiet demeanor, and desperate love for Louis which sees him caught between Louis and the coven, and basically deciding to save his own skin in the end. 

Louis spends his whole time dealing with the ghost of Lestat which is his guilt made manifest. Meanwhile as Daniel now had to vampire to banter with, he starts having flashbacks to his time with Louis in the 70s and he's shocked to realize he's met Armand before. Armand was with them at some point but why cant he remember? Duh duh duh. We learn he can't remember because the night of the first interview in San Fran in the 70s, Daniel, who was a heroin addict back then, shared some drugs with Louis and ended up taunting Louis too much because he can be a bit of a needling prick and Louis ended up trying to eat him but was stopped by Armand. There was a huge row, Daniel was seriously injured, Louis out of guit and general vampire unhappiness tried to kill himself with a sun bath, and Daniel realized he spent several days as a hypnotized, tortured captive of Armand. Who ultimately let him go after coming very close to just murdering him. We learn that Armand had a telepathy phone call with Lestat at one point, letting him know Louis was in trouble but he ended it abruptly because he didn't want Louis going back to Lestat.

So, Armand might seem like a soothing bath of warm water in person but he's also shifty and a liar. And when the theatre of the vamps finds out that Louis and Claudia murdered their founder, they concoct an elaborate theatrical scheme cuz these are theater kids and they want to put on a show. So it's a one day only performance, yet, it happens during the day, and it's the trial of Louis, Claudia and poor Madeline who Claudia had JUST convinced Louis into turning into a vampire for her so they could go off and be happy together cuz' Louis was always too busy with Armand and the theatre was just humiliating and no fun for her. So the three of them are put on trial in front of an unsuspecting human audience, mutilated so they can't run away, and kept docile with the combined telepathy of the theatre kids. And Santiago is the prosecutor, and can you guess who the star witness is? That's right, Lesta De Lioncourt, telepathically summoned across the pond by the theatre. 

His shining theatrical moment, and it’s a nailbiter episode, as Santiago with the help of this grotesque children's book-looking animation tells the story of season one over again, but this time from Lestat’s point of view, which makes Louis and CLaudia look like unstable violent murderers and Lestat the abused victim, and at first you're like oh that's evil of them, I mean they REHEARSED this all as a PLAY, but then in the telling Louis reveals to Daniel that he was actually the one who pressured Lestat to make Claudia not the other way around, he was the one responsible for her eternal damnation. Maybe they're aren't villains here, just broken people. 

Actually no, Lestat was the abusive one. So despite Louis and Claudia doing their damndest to resist, the audience pases judgement, remember they think it's all an act, and they sentence Claudia and poor fairly innocent Madeline to die, which they do like in the book, via sunlight. Claudia rebellious to the end, singing her signature song from the play she acted in that she hated singing. And Armand exercises his telepathy to make the audience vote banishment for Louis not death. So Louis gets walled up in the basement, eternally starving to death, and stuck there, which hi just kill me instead thanks.

Eventually Armand frees him. and Louis DESTROYS the theatre les vampires. Like burns it to the ground, blows hag vampires up on motorcycles and has a very satisfying showdown with Santiago, who by the way had a final monologue where he describes using Claudia’s ashes to jerk off with, and oh yeah he went there with that. So all’s well that ends well right? 

Well, no. Daniel who is still smarting after realizing that Armand tortured and almost murderized him, figures out that Armand is lying again. He didn't save Louis' life during the "trial." Lestat did. All this time, 70 years, he's been lied to by Armand. Louis slaps Armand around the tower a bit and then leaves him. He’s going back to N'orleans. To find Lestat. Which he does. Lestat isn't doing so great, he's trying to teach himself to play the keyboard, in the middle of a hurricane. And they have a forgiveness discussion, where they seem to come to terms with all the harm they did to each other, cuz' there was harm on both sides, and Lestat confesses his guilt over what happened to Claudia and they have an incredbly romantic tear-jerking hug and Katrina blows the house up around them. The end. 

Well not quite. Daniel publishes Interview with the Vampire, which is a giant success, and despite the public thinking its fiction posing as non-fiction, the world's vampires are BULLSHIT and now they're after Louis, Lestat and Daniel to eat them. Oh and Daniel suddenly has golden eyes and is eating tourists after a network interview, thats right, as revenge, Armand turned him. And Louis is still in Dubai and sends out a psychic invitation to the world's vampires - come and get me, motherfuckers! 

This paltry podcast can't do justice to how good this show is. It's about queerness, and relationships, and morality and  a whole bunch of shit. I'll sum it up like I summed up Ryan Coogler's Sinners - it's so good, you don't need the vampires, Except here you kinda do, that's the whole metaphor, but seriously go watch this show.

Season 3 is changing the title to The Vampire Lestat and looks to be using the second book as the source material. and it's Lestat as rock star and it looks SSSOOO good. From what i understand, they wrote it like a musical, they actually wrote original songs and everything, and it looks dope as the kids used to say. And learning that I gotta wait til this summer is painful, but so be it, good things take time. Go watch this show. 

Your regularly scheduled murder and mayhem eps for January on Patreon and the free one are on the way. And in this new year, if you like Wicked Gay, please tell someone and rate and review and what have you. Love to love you babies, nite. 

 



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