When Your Soul Says It’s Time to Pivot - Episode 157

If you’ve ever felt stuck in your career, relationships, or finances — wondering why you keep hitting the same roadblocks — then this episode is for you. Robyn welcomes spiritual coaching extraordinaire, Jessica Joines to help you unravel the underlying patterns that might be holding you back. Jessica believes that the root of these challenges isn’t what you think—it’s not the job, the relationship, or the paycheck. It’s fear. And the key to breaking free? Learning to trust the truth in your heart over the fear in your mind.

Jessica has spent years guiding people to reconnect with their soul’s purpose, to step into their personal power, and to create lives that are truly aligned with their heart’s desires. And today, she’s not just here to share her wisdom—she’s here to coach in real-time! We have two guests joining us who will be in the hot seat, receiving live coaching from Jessica as she helps them break through the fears and limiting beliefs that are keeping them stuck.

So, whether you’re listening and nodding along because their stories sound familiar or you’re just looking for that next nudge forward in your own journey—stay with us. This episode might just be the shift you’ve been waiting for.

Here’s what we dive into:

• That moment when the Universe yells “PLOT TWIST!”
• How to actually listen to your soul (even when your brain is freaking out)
• Why we stay in lives that don’t fit—and how to lovingly walk away
• The difference between fear and soul truth
• What it feels like when your purpose clicks in

Bottom line: This is your sacred permission slip to stop performing your life and start living it—soul-first.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:54 When Your Soul Says It’s Time to Pivot

Transcript

Robyn: [00:00:00] . 

I'm Robyn Miller Brecker and I'm Karen Loenser. Welcome to Seeking Center, the podcast. Join us each week as we have the conversations and we, through the spiritual and holistic clutter for you, we'll boil it down to what you need to know now, we're all about total wellness, which to us needs building a healthy life.

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Robyn: And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. If you've ever felt stuck in your career relationships or finances, wondering why you kept, keep hitting the same roadblocks, then this episode is for you. I am thrilled to have spiritual coaching extraordinaire. Jessica, Joines with us to [00:01:00] help unravel the underlying patterns That might be holding you back. Jessica believes that the root of these challenges isn't what you think. It's not the job, the relationship or the paycheck. It's fear and the key to breaking free learning to trust the truth in your heart over the fear in your mind. Jessica has spent years guiding people to reconnect with their soul's purpose, to step into their personal power and to create lives that are truly aligned with their heart's desires.

And today she's not just here to share her wisdom. She's here to coach in real time. We have two guests joining us who will be in the hot seat receiving live coaching from Jessica, as she helps them break through these fears and limiting beliefs that are keeping them stuck.

So whether you're listening and nodding along because their stories sound familiar, or you're just looking for that next nudge forward in your own journey, stay with us. this episode might just be the shift you've been waiting for. Hi Jessica. [00:02:00] Hi, Robyn.

I'm so happy to be with you. Oh, I'm so excited that we get to share this conversation and that people can see your coaching and your guidance in real time. 

Jessica: It's gonna be fun. 

Robyn: . So can you start and tell us a little bit about your journey and how you went from being a high powered corporate career executive to becoming , an extraordinary spiritual coaching guide.

Jessica: I know it's like total 180. Look, I've been doing the journey that we're all here to do. , we all have our own stories around it, and it's taking a journey from fear to love, and I have spent my life ruled by different forms of fear, different worries, different doubts, different limitations, like so many of us do.

And where that led me is to anchoring my life to a level of scarcity mentality and survival consciousness. So when I grew up I was like, okay, what am I gonna do with my life that can make me a lot of money that I can be [00:03:00] good at? It was so much of this total survival mentality. And so when I went to college, I didn't think about, oh.

What am I gonna study that I absolutely love and that I have passion for? It was like, what can I be good at to be successful? For me, it was very much an outward journey, Like I was gonna find happiness out there if I could be successful enough or achieve enough, like I was gonna feel something that I didn't know at the time that was deeply missing within me.

all: So 

Jessica: like my dirty little secret I now say is that I spent 20 years in advertising and marketing, and I never loved it, and many days I didn't even like it, but I didn't know that there was an opportunity to choose different for myself. I thought, like many of us tell us, this is life. This is what you do.

You get a job, you push through, you struggle through one day you retire and be happy. The problem was there was this voice inside of me, didn't want me to settle for that. I had panic attacks in my very first job because there was like this thing inside of me that was saying like, no, there's something [00:04:00] more.

There's something different. 

Robyn: How did you hear that? 

Jessica: I mean it, I did not listen to it till later on. I didn't even understand it, what I thought it was. I was crazy. What I thought was like, there was something wrong with me. Why can't all these people be out there in these corporate jobs in this life and seemingly happy?

And I'm not, and as a kid, I always had really big dreams. I just never even thought to pursue them. I had a story in my mind that all those things that I really wanted just somehow weren't possible for me. So your question, it's my whole kind of life journey. So it's a big answer.

But I will say I struggled with it. I was in marketing and advertising for 20 years, and I struggled with it. I would try to find a new job. Oh, it was this place that was causing me unhappiness. , I wasn't at the right agency. I. And the truth is I finally just hit bottom with it.

Emotionally, physically, mentally, all the things. I was in physical burnout. I was in depression, I was in anxiety, I was falling apart. And that kind of pain is the portal to [00:05:00] awakening energy. Woke me up and I started to have some realizations around it. And this was about 10 years ago that led me to take some leaps and to take a chance.

And what I did is I started approaching life from a completely different mentality. I no longer started thinking, oh, it's up to me to figure it out. I'm gonna solve it. I started leading my life on a surrendered journey, saying, universe, show me how to take who I am and what I love.

Show me. and I'm cutting through a lot of points in the story that led me to where I am now, which was the realization of my soul purpose, which for me, I define as. Understanding the truth of who you are and capital A and D, what you love and taking that to the world in some way.

And that's what I'm lucky enough to be able to be doing today. 

Robyn: That's beautiful number one, that definition of so purpose and that you are able to actually take the leap and take that [00:06:00] surrender. I wanna know, 'cause I think those listening are like, okay, what, how, Was that the hardest point in the journey for you that ultimately made you surrender? Was it physically you couldn't get up anymore? What was it that really drove you to look inside or to listen to the voice? What was it? 

Jessica: It was just enough pain, I had been, again, from my very first job in advertising, and again, nothing against the ad industry or anyone working in it's great industry just wasn't for me.

But I had been toggling and fighting this thing forever. I've been trying to figure this thing out, like, why can't I be happy in this career? And again, I was asking the wrong questions because the question I was asking What's wrong with me? And so I kept trudging through.

And I guess I just got to a place , and it was like a quintessential midlife crisis. I was right around the age of 40 at the time where I was like, do I just wanna continue? Waking up, dreading going to work? And the answer was no. And [00:07:00] again, it's not like this was not a one and done it.

I had been trying different ways. I'd done the career assessments, I had, done the Simon Sinek at concentric circles and it wasn't revealing to me the answer. And it was very much a moment of clarity where I just woke up and I go, oh my God. I've been looking out there for something I can only solve within here.

And very much in the alignment with your show. I've always been a spiritual seeker and what I chose to do was, at this time I was a global CMO of a massive tech company. I was in a massive role. But I had this kind of existential, I could see for it in my life.

I'm like, I could continue this for another 20 years and I'm gonna die one day and I'm gonna be, wow, I was successful, and I just saw two kind of crossroads and I decided I wanted to get on option BI, to step into the unknown. And so I did I took a chance.

I really would say it's like a higher power universe, God, that just came through me in that moment. My soul, right? It's one with all of that and gave me the courage to take this leap into the unknown. I [00:08:00] was in enough pain that I was willing to do 

Robyn: oh my I very much can relate to that. And I think those listening your soul really does tell you when it does, you need to make a change.

'cause to your point. Everything on paper looked incredible. Yes. There was no reason for you to leave that job. Really. 

all: Yeah. 

Robyn: Okay, so then you just make this decision. How do you come to talking about soul's purpose and understanding intuition and coaching and all of that?

How does that come into your world? 

Jessica: Yeah. I, and I'll back up because I said this was not a overnight thing. I had made many attempts to leave and it's like they kept sucking me back in, but one attempt had been about five years prior when I had been laid off from a job.

And in that moment too, my soul I started, I don't know if I had that vocabulary, but it was a urge a pushing had called me , don't go get another [00:09:00] job right now, take some time off. I traveled for a year by myself. I did a solo journey, over in Southeast Asia, India, like your e pre love.

It was totally, and it was around the time. Yeah. It was totally inspired by the book. Hands down. Yeah. it was on that journey, and I was in meditation and I literally heard a voice and it said the truth in your heart is more real than the fear in your mind. And that was the first time I started to wake up to the notion of purpose, because at that time, my heart, as I understood it, was saying like, there's something more for you.

There's a higher, there's something totally different. And the fear in my mind was saying no, you're crazy. That's ridiculous. You're, all these different things. And I started to wake up to this notion of my purpose is to believe the truth in my heart, at a fundamental level.

So I had these slow awakenings. Again, this wasn't just like a aha, white light moment. And all of a sudden, everything was clear. There were these subtle perception shifts I had already been having. So by the time when I left that job and leaped into [00:10:00] it, I knew I was gonna go on an inward journey.

I knew I hadn't been finding the answers out there. And very much inspired by a lot of the messages that Oprah had been putting out. Which, I had heard that she had said this prayer of, God show me how to take who I am and what I love. And I thought, I'm just gonna try to live by that prayer each day and see where that leads me.

I'm gonna stop trying to figure this out and think my way into it. It's not working. 

Robyn: That's right. 

Jessica: because I'd been in this big job, I knew I could take a sabbatical, right? I wanna be some reality here. I knew I had a year runway that I could actually sit and really sabbatical, spiritually reveal some of this to me.

And so that's how it began. And I'll tell you, I literally fell into coaching. Literally fell into the universe really. It was not on my vision board. It was not on my plan, 

Robyn: which is like very interesting, right? It is Yet. When something like that falls into your lap and it feels in alignment Yes.

With [00:11:00] what you are, you go with it. 

Jessica: That's what happened. So I'm here, I'm like doing my prayer work every day. I'm trying to be playful and curious. Because the big question was who am I and what do I love? I was 40 years old and I did not know. and with that I'm like, I'm not gonna try to bring in this control energy to figure out what I love.

What do I love? What, I was like, I'm gonna play with this. I'm gonna have fun with this. I'm gonna get curious about it. Yeah. I'm gonna get curious about me. And so the most that I allowed myself, this is my ego, was still very much a play to understand that I love, I thought, oh. I'm meant to bring purpose to company. So that was my idea. In this first year sabbatical, so I'm out there, I'm like, a little consulting hat on, oh, I'm gonna bring purpose to companies. And I'm speaking at a conference about it. 'cause I was able to speak a bit then given my past credentials.

And a woman came up to me, it was an advertising week in New York, and she said, have you ever thought about helping individuals align to their purpose? Have you ever thought about coaching? And it was like, it was totally, the universe was [00:12:00] like, who are you? And we're gonna show you. You've been doing that prayer, here you go.

And it was very clear to me in that moment. And then things started to take off and unfold and expand from there. 

Robyn: And I wanna also just touch on what you said that came to you about the truth in your heart versus the fear in your mind. And even what you're just saying am I gonna. think this thing through.

How am I gonna think my way out? And as soon as you were tapping into that truth in your heart, all of these kind of synchronicities came into your world because there's such a difference. we really do think we can think our way out. And that fear is in our mind. it can then permeate the rest of you.

Yes. Allow it to, yes. That's a really profound statement. 

Jessica: Yeah. I often say the sole purpose journey actually highlights and exasperates, if you will, the spiritual journey that we're all on here doing.

[00:13:00] So like no matter what religion you believe, no matter what spiritual teacher or guru you follow, the message is more or less the same. If you think of earth as a school. we're here moment to moment, having this experience with this thing called fear that actually doesn't exist anywhere.

It's like part of this place that we're in part of this earth. So we're having this deep experience of actually what isn't to remember what is. So every day I wake up in Earth school and I have a moment to moment choice. Am I aligned with the fear in my mind, this ego voice that has become a bit dysfunctional, if you will?

Or am I listening the truth in my heart moment to moment? What am I choosing moment to moment? And when you do something big like soul purpose journey, which is such a conflict and battle with one another, it can just awaken you that moment you go, oh my God, , it did for me.

These dreams I've had in my heart since I was a kid. They're only there because they're my destiny. That's right. They're only there because, oh, love. They're meant to be pursued. 

Robyn: Yes. That's [00:14:00] right. And I really hope if you are listening and or watching right now, think about 

what were those dreams? Because that was your soul talking to you. They were, those were placed before you came into this lifetime. Yes. into your heart. So that they could actually be imagined in your mind. And that's the source. That's beautiful. 

Jessica: Yes. And I was like, oh my God.

Oh my God. Like it's the reverse. they're only there 'cause they're my possibility where my ego's telling me like, oh, that's, it's like there were a form of torture. Yeah. Like all these things. I couldn't have, that's the story, which I would say 

Robyn: most people have that mindset we're there's something that happens to us, between the ages of six and now Yes. That were programmed differently, that reverse happens. 

Jessica: Yeah. And that's the journey we're meant to take. yes. Agreed. That's 

Robyn: school part of Earth.

Jessica: Totally. when we're born, we're very connected to the soul and then the ego really starts to form, and then we have this deep inherent experience of what isn't. And then the [00:15:00] opportunity we have, in any lifetime is to wake up out of that. And so to flip it again and to come to remember the truth of who you are, and what is true in the highest truth.

Robyn: You brought up that you are thinking of that on a daily basis. How do you recommend someone start recognizing when fear is in the driver's seat? 

Jessica: Yeah. I'm a big believer the minute you wake up, like really? 'cause it's your subconscious it's unconsciousness, that I just default into this lack and when we say fear, we're talking fear in all forms.

Doubt, worry, limitation. There's many languages of it. It's not just always I'm scared, but that's ultimately where it's coming from. Yes. But to start the day with a simple intention, I sometimes even do it like when I'm still in bed, like the minute that I'm aware that I'm awake and I'll just start saying things to myself like, I choose the voice of love today.

I choose the voice of love today I'll start saying that to myself. Or if I wanna do something more formal, depending on what your morning practice is, [00:16:00] it's like just the intention. I'm gonna witness the fear today. I'm gonna listen to my heart. I'm gonna choose to believe in my heart. And the witnessing is key because the moment that you believe in the voice of fear in your mind, you're identified with it.  

and it feels real, and then it starts to feel true, and then you spiral on whatever that the thing is, right? So it's yes. So it's always I'm gonna be the witness. And just reminding myself that's what I'm doing today.

And I'm gonna, choose to believe the truth in my heart, and sometimes depending on where you are in the journey, it might be, I'm gonna pray for the pause, so that you have that pause before the identifying, the believing that you have a moment of pause to be able to witness.

Robyn: I love that. 

Jessica: That's what I'll do with a lot of my clients. I'm like your goal today is have a pause, is to have the pause before you're in the story and you're spiraling in it because you're so identified with it. 

Robyn: Oh my. I love the pause. And I also like this idea, which came to me as you were talking about this practice, which is the [00:17:00] universe has my back, so I'm gonna witness this, but I'm gonna know the universe has my back.

That's gonna be the truth in my heart. 

Jessica: Yeah. And look, I'll be so curious 'cause I have no idea who you're bringing on later. Yes. But I'll be so curious because, say this now because so much of everything often comes down to I have a God problem, meaning my relationship with my higher power universe, source, I don't care what you call it, choose your word.

There is something there that I don't trust. There is something there that I have to work on, In my own understanding, in my own relationship and how I'm connecting. So yeah, like the universe is for you. Yeah. God is for you. Sources for you. It is you, 

Robyn: it's you one with, that's actually huge.

It's you. if we can remember that, that would answer so many 

Jessica: Yeah. 

Robyn: Of our questions around fear and one of the things that we've talked about is that more people are waking up. 

Jessica: Yes. 

Robyn: And so they're wanting purpose and meaning of [00:18:00] in their lives.

And I think it's really interesting because what you said was you were around 40 when this really hit you. I gotta do something. And I was frankly around the same age too, when things started to go south for me. In my own mind, I would say in my heart, in my mind. So what would you say in terms of your soul's voice and what does that mean?

Understanding and trusting that and really people, finding meaning in their lives. 

Jessica: Yeah. I'll say two things and one thing and it could be such a big conversation, so I'll try not to derail us too much, but you're right, and I happen to be 40 at the time in you, but I'm seeing it in the younger generations.

People are talking about purpose and meaning in a way that never happened before. It was not a mainstream conversation even 10 years ago. It was just becoming one. To me, and you and I have talked about this offline, like there is a consciousness shift happening. I know it doesn't look like it out there, but that's part of it.

It's part of the crumbling because we're doing a collective shadow healing [00:19:00] right now. 

Robyn: You're right. You know what, will you say that one more time because I think people really need to hear that. I'll 

Jessica: say it this way. What's going on out there is actually what awakening looks like.

It's a crumbling, it is a bringing polarity to the surface to see it clearly so that you can understand it and heal. You cannot heal what you don't see. So there is this process and whether you do it individually or collectively, where you bring up all the darkness stuff buried deep down and you bring it up clearly to see it.

I wish it wasn't so long. It is though. I know. Even in my own self, I was in like a decade long shadow work. I get it. I get how painful it is, but that's what's happening. And so energetically the consciousness of the planet is shifting. We are shifting, and that's why you're starting to wake up and go, wow.

The stuff I used to be like, okay, with doesn't serve me anymore. These people, these places, these things, this vocation feels heavy because your vibration is rising and it's not a match for it [00:20:00] anymore. So that's what is happening and why we're having so many of these conversations and they're becoming more and more mainstream.

You go back to your Oprah days, you did so much with bringing on Eckhart. Totally. Remember, that was like this new profound thing in that Yeah. Kendrick Lamar wraps in the back of our to it's like main, it's a mainstream 

Robyn: conversation. Even honestly, even seven years ago.

Yeah. When you were starting seeking center. 

Jessica: Yeah. So that's just a reflection of the consciousness shifting. But how do you hear your soul. I wanna say to anyone listening or watching like that is unique to you. I invite you to get curious about it and play with it, and you make it like this fun, joyful thing that, how does your soul speak to you?

I can offer some principles, I'll tell you. It's not gonna speak to you through fear. It's not gonna put you down, it's not gonna be talking at you all day. That's ego. It's not gonna even be in story often or necessarily always words per se, but it's gonna be this loving feeling. Mine is these loving, gentle nudges.

It's a [00:21:00] soft voice, but a powerful voice. And it's the one that's this gut feel, this thing that's just pushing me forward. That's a bit indescribable. That's how mine is. I encourage you to Oh, I love the 

Robyn: way you put that. Yeah. And it's so interesting. , 

Jessica: yeah, 

Robyn: I did this download, I do these downloads every week and I just set the intention to receive wisdom and guidance for everybody who comes across this download.

And what you just said is what came through when I read it back. 'cause I don't actually know what I'm doing as I'm typing, but when I read it back, it was all about the subtle moments that is when your soul is whispering to you, it's the subtlety and then it's the feeling.

It's the little nudge. you're supposed to call that person, answer that, call or check this article out. It's all the little things to your point. It's so subtle. and for every person. It comes across a little differently, right? Yes.

When I say whisper, sometimes I literally hear something in my totally eye, right? But not everybody gets [00:22:00] that. Other people, it's just something that shows up more than once in your day or in your week even. Could be someone told you about a book, then another person tells you about the same book and a third person pay attention.

Jessica: The synchronicities are massive. And you know what too, I hear from you, Robyn, that I think is really good for people to understand. It you, it comes more regularly when you actually create space because I'll tell you what the soul's not interested in doing. to the soul. Our ego voice is like a little gnat.

But it's not gonna invest time in trying to battle it. So if you are constantly in the doing energy, if you are constantly in story and then thinking all day long, there's not space for the soul to come in because again, the soul's not gonna come in and try to hide. It is no interest in battling the ego.

So meditation, your quiet time, the consistently creating space for it, allows that voice to get louder and have a bigger bandwidth, if you will, bigger presence in your life. 

Robyn: Oh, that's so true. And I think what you were saying, it's as [00:23:00] easy as. Doing something right when you get up in the morning. Totally.

Don't even get out bed. 

Jessica: It doesn't even mean to be a big formal production. Like it's ease. It's just ease and simplicity. 

Robyn: It's true. Like the more you can do that, the better. So let's talk about your coaching. Yes. Tell us how you do your real time coaching that we're gonna even experience today. 

Jessica: Yeah. it's a blend of lived experience.  

My coaching training has been my spiritual study, like you since a very young age. It's not something I grew up in, but in my mid twenties got really so like course and miracles, a new earth all these different courses and books. They have really been my facilitation.

And then recent years I've always been intuitive, but I didn't know or understand that until really within the last, decade, if you will. And sometimes that comes in and comes to play too. I never quite know. And I use all those tools for my tool set. I use my soul senses as much as my human senses and lived [00:24:00] experience.

Robyn: And I will say that it's so brave of you too. I just think hot seat coaching, however we wanna put it. I want people listening and watching to know that you know nothing about Oh, I know nothing. Anybody who's coming. We have two people coming on today, both with very different questions and looking for some guidance, and Jessica has no clue.

I, I just, I have no clue. And so I'm excited to be a witness in this and and just thank you. Just thank you in advance because I'm excited too. What I know what the wisdom for myself that comes through when we talk and I know that's gonna help these two women so much.

Jessica: Amazing. It goes both ways, but thank you. Thank you. 

Robyn: So I'm gonna let Jen in, so Jen.  

Jessica: Hi, Jen. 

Robyn: Hi.  

 So Jen, meet Jessica. Jessica meet Jen. 

Jessica: Hi. So nice to meet you. Thanks for saying yes to this. Oh, sure. It's really brave and courageous of you to come on and be so vulnerable.

I'm gonna [00:25:00] assume in such a public way. So thank you in advance. 

Jen: Sure. Thank you for doing this. It's fun. 

Robyn: Yeah, and I was just saying before you got on that, Jessica has no idea what your question is. 

Jessica: Okay. We've never met before, have we, Jen? Never. No, we have not. 

Robyn: So let's go. I will be here to chime in wherever needed, but if you wanna cue up your question.

Jessica: Yeah, Jen, I would say just share with me in whatever your question is or whatever way that I can possibly help you today. 

Jen: Okay. I feel like my life is very full and I'm happy with everything, but I, not that I need it, but I would like to meet my person. And trying to remain positive while I am looking is a challenge sometimes.

And so just like any ideas you have around that yeah, 

Jessica: absolutely. 

What are you healing from the past and that connection, is that in your awareness?   

Jen: I would say, getting over my divorce. And I don't know, Robyn, what else would you [00:26:00] say to that? 

Robyn: That's actually what I was gonna say is overcoming her divorce, Jen actually is, was to me super courageous In ending her marriage and remaining actually amicable with her ex-husband. , that was really brave. She'd been married for a long time and to just know that she was ready for something different and that was a different type of partnership. And so I think talking about what was and wasn't necessarily working in that partnership probably would be helpful.

Jessica: Yeah. Jen, what I'm feeling, and just please tell me if I'm off base or wrong. It could be in your unconscious. I don't know if it's in your conscious awareness. Is there a story where you feel like something was your fault?  

Jen: I think in any marriage it takes two people. But I don't know that I feel like I was in love with him when I got married and I don't feel like I made a mistake in marrying him. And I have two amazing boys out of that. [00:27:00] But I think the only thing where I would feel like is my fault is, which is, it's funny 'cause Rob talks about me finding my voice is like me speaking up more or being able to communicate my needs instead of waiting to communicate my needs until it was too late.  

But I don't know beyond that, that I feel like it was my fault. There was not one thing in the marriage that was like, this is what ended it, but it was a compilation of a bunch of different things.   

But I feel like it takes two to tango. 

Jessica: No, absolutely. I don't know if there was like a time period where it was.

I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this. And it sounds like you got to the point where you were like, okay, I've done everything I can do, and made the courageous and brave step to walk away. Is there anything at all, within it, and maybe we play with the voice part of it for a little bit of a second. Like, Where is that today with you of speaking up, asking for what you need, using your voice? How would you define that today? 

Jen: and paying attention [00:28:00] when I'm like meeting somebody, what are they doing that's helpful with that?

Are they a good communicator? Are they asking. What do I need or how do I prefer such and such Whether it's literal communication, like how do do you prefer to text or call or are you available during the day or should I only communicate with you at night? Like that sort of thing.  

So I feel like I'm paying more attention to that. And communication's a huge piece which I think it is for a lot of people, like a huge piece of the puzzle in terms of why things didn't 

Jessica: Yeah, absolutely. And play with me on this a little bit. 'cause okay, this is what I'm feeling.

I want you to know where I'm going so you're not feeling like there's a story. In the past marriage, 

we wanna smash a little bit and release so you can step into, and this is all just about you, like not via the person, just about you and how you view you.

So if you put a story like, when I was in my marriage, I was X, y, Z as a communicator. What would you say? How would you describe that?   

Jen: I would have trouble, like when we were having [00:29:00] like quote and argument, I would have trouble speaking up because he could have been a prosecutor.

Like he would throw so many things at me at once and I couldn't, I felt like I couldn't take notes in my head or, get a response to all of those things at once. So he would get annoyed he'd say it was, I was like a deer in headlights or I would shut down because I couldn't process that quickly. That's just the way my brain is. 

Jessica: And how did that make you feel in that moment 

Jen: about you?  

Sometimes I feel am I stupid? Am I, can I I'm 

Jessica: hearing like a powerless Yeah. There's something wrong. Like a small or powerless. Yeah. For sure. It's stupid. Yeah. 

And what's the truth? So that was a story that you were feeling and understandably, in that moment.

'cause it does, I'm feeling the energy of it feels like it would've been really overwhelming too, for sure. And hard for anyone. 

By the way what's the story that you want to choose about yourself that you know is deep down, true, About yourself via communicating via how you relate to others about the truth of who you are?  

Jen: I think I am good at building strong relationships [00:30:00] and a good listener and a really empathetic person. But I don't know that I got that feeling from him 

Jessica: . Okay. There's still, the way I'm feeling it, and what I wanna say is anything I take, take it, if it resonates, if it doesn't leave behind, like only you know the truth about you when it comes down to it.

But that I'm not doing it right. And where I'm going with this is we wanna cut the cords, we wanna heal all of that before we even talk about attracting the new. Because what happens is if that is lingering at all, you're gonna read attract it again in just a different body. 

all: Okay. 

Jessica: Because this is the thing with the universe it's gonna keep wanting to bring you opportunities to mirror you, to show you where you don't feel whole about you so that you can heal it. It's just showing you 

all: yeah. 

Jessica: So I'm not doing it right. You do it different. You have a different communication style than the relationship you're in, but it doesn't mean it's wrong, it's just different.

It's just beautifully, uniquely you. So if you talk about your soul, your heart, and the way that you relate [00:31:00] to others, what is that, what's like the goodness in your heart and the way that you connect with one another's, what would you say about that? 

Jen: Robyn, you wanna speak, you wanna step in.

I would love to 

Jessica: help her 

Robyn: out. That's why I'm here. Jen is so generous and warm and loving and she's the kind of person you can count on for anything. And she makes you laugh and she does research and she's that person who is there to learn something new together like for instance, she came to my Thanksgiving dinner, which is 40 people, and knew nobody except for me and everybody in my family was like, I love Jen so much. Like she can get along with anybody and she's just such generous of heart and energy and it's what personally what I want Jen to value that in [00:32:00] herself through that.

Others like when who she's attracting can value that as well. 

And you are, I would also say is, you are so smart too. But you need to see that. Like I can see that, but you need to see that. And I would say also thinking about she's just the most wonderful mom too on top of everything.

And so it's think about how you are in that role and I think how confident you are in that role. Yeah. And me, it's applying that in all these other areas. To yourself and then in your life. that, that's my 2 cents. So 

Jessica: thank you. So I love that. And Jen, what I would love for you to do and perhaps Robyn can help you, is you write like a new story about you.

Okay. It's almost like a love letter to yourself. And I know that sounds a little bit cheesy and maybe feels a little bit weird, but, I'm a generous person. I'm, I am a good heart. All the kinds of things that Robyn just said aloud, and it's something that you start to read to yourself every day.

 And really take it in and [00:33:00] really allow yourself to take it in. And then there's another thing too here within this have you ever had a communication problem with Robyn or any of your other close friends? 

all: No. Okay. 

Jessica: So within that letter to yourself that you really writing like all the things that are amazing about you, it's okay to celebrate yourself.

It's okay to give love to yourself. I know it can feel like, oh my God, I'm gonna write a love letter to my, it's a little bit weird, but that you write that out. Is there something, and however you, we end up writing it, but it's, how I communicate is perfect. How I communicate is more than enough for the people that truly love me.  

There's something there within it that just feels like an insecurity there still within you that we need to smash. And I'm not saying don't work on using your voice more the things that you're working towards, but again, like the people that truly unconditionally love you are not going to use that against you.

Jen: It's the truth. It's interesting because one of my things was when I felt like when I shared stuff, it he would turn it around and throw it back in my face. It's hard, like [00:34:00] one time I said it's hard for me to apologize sometimes. And he then would say to me, I know it's hard for you to apologize, but whatever.

And throw it back at me. Yeah. like in a critical way.   

Jessica: I am gonna say this , I'm just gonna be really clear. It sounds like that was an abusive relationship too. Oh yeah. Yeah. And so what you're in some maybe narcissistic abuse there is what it feels like and.  

So what I also want you to acknowledge, if you are in a long-term narcissistic, abusive marriage, like you experienced trauma, okay. And that is gonna take a while to recover. And that is because it just tears you down. it psychologically everything. And I want you to just give like yourself one have survived that and walked away is freaking massive.

Exactly. Way it like, yes. Any kind of gaslighting over time like that, to be able to wake up out of that is huge. But right now it's also like your time right now is to give love to you. And I'll just say back on the love letter thing, having gone through something [00:35:00] similar, what I did about 10 years ago when I was going through a lot, I really had a journal and I would just write myself a love letter every day.

And I really just encourage you what? And we're gonna get to the next relationship in a second. I haven't lost sight of that by the way. But there's two simultaneous paths right here. So it's attracting, what you deserve next. Yeah. That's also like focusing on your self-love journey right now, and also letting yourself recover from what that was.

And I don't know if you've sought therapy, if you know you've gone any of those routes or worked with any kind of coach that has experience in that, but that's a lot to recover from too. And you have to give yourself a little time and space.   

So right now, like self-love and and it's almost like this is what I would, because it seeps in your subconscious.

So what I was feeling originally was that it's like it's my fault. And even if like logically you knew it wasn't, when someone keeps telling you it is, I can't communicate this way because you dah dah. You might not believe it here, but it seeps in your subconscious. So I think there's some energy [00:36:00] there, perhaps.

Where you felt like, yeah, you believed some of the stories he told you. So a really good exercise for you on top of this, I know I'm giving you a lot. and I'm not saying do this in a day, like a little bit over time. If you just go back, even if I don't believe what he was saying, I'm just gonna, some of the things he told me over and over about me, 

write them down and I want you, because you get to choose what you believe about. You write a new story. So one side of the page would be the shit he told me, okay? And the other side of the page would be, but what I'm choosing to tell me now. Get Robyn to help you if it feels too hard just to counterbalance, because some of that stuff seeps in our unconscious in a way that we're not even fully aware of.

I feel a little bit of that. So that's this self-love journey, like that's two simultaneous paths you focus on pouring into. You focus on loving you, you focus on rewriting, telling yourself a new story. Then with the new man that's definitely coming. So how have you gone about that so far?

Tell me what you've been [00:37:00] doing.   

Jen: Dating sites. 

Jessica: Okay. Yeah.   

Jen: Amazing. 

Jessica: So you're putting yourself out there? 

Jen: Yeah, I for sure am 

Jessica: Good. 

Jen: I for sure am. 

Jessica: Great. And then have you done any manifestation work around it? Like I 

Jen: just, yeah, a little. I actually, I just started a little bit.

I made a list the other night. Okay. I just started reading this book and it said write five things that you wanna manifest. Okay. So I like, I wrote that down. 

Jessica: So I'll give you this really quick, 'cause I know we're on a time crunch.

So just write the narrative and I would write the first person narrative of the best day of your life in this relationship. Okay. And describe him, but how you are together, how he treats you. Bring it to life. First person, the best day in the life of this you might feel like you're playing.

Make believe that's okay. And then write that. And then just read that every morning. And allow yourself to get excited. Get excited. Like you be like, this is happening. I know it because I'm choosing it. 

Robyn: And I'll hold you to it. 

Jessica: That's all I've got for you for [00:38:00] now, but I'm happy to talk more offline, and I just thank you for being so brave and coming on and sharing.

You helped us all and I've been there too, so I feel you. 

Robyn: Yeah. Thank you, Jen. Thank you so much. 

Jessica: All right. Thank you so much, Jen. Thanks Jen. 

Robyn: Hi Noelle. 

Noelle: Hi Robyn. How are you? 

Robyn: Great, and really happy to see you and introduce you to Jessica. 

Jessica: Thank you for being here and doing this. Of course. So great of you.   

Noelle: Thank you so much for even having this opportunity. I really appreciate it.   

Jessica: Amazing. Robyn, should we just get into it?

Yeah 

Robyn: And just so you know, Jessica knows nothing 

Jessica: Yes. Know nothing. We've never met. So what I would say, Noelle, is like, whatever questions, whatever you need help with, in whatever way you feel comfortable sharing, knowing this is being broadcast out, I'll just give you the floor and then I'll do my best to help in any way I can.

Noelle: Okay, thank you. I've listened to a few of your podcasts and I'm just so excited because I love the way you give advice and so I'm very excited to, [00:39:00] have this time with you. So I have been doing a lot of self work and have really identified that I've typically lived very much in the fear-based and with the scarcity mindset, and I've identified that now.

I'm also going through a number of transitions career wise family wise with my daughter leaving next year for college. And so my question is how do I. Especially with the career perspective, because obviously there's a lot of real life responsibilities that, come , so how do I stay authentic to, my progress and without going backwards into the kind of more comfortable and habitual mindset that I've had as I'm going through this transition and unknowns in all these other areas.

Jessica: Yeah. First, can I ask you, Noelle, are you comfortable or Okay. If I'm receiving messages that I share them with you? Yes. I'm [00:40:00] receiving something really specific. and I think you are aware, and I don't know if it's mother or father line, but ancestrally, it feels like there's a long history of. Intense fear trauma in one or both of the lineage in terms of scarcity and things. Are you aware of that? Percent know what those stories are. Okay. 

Noelle: Yeah.

Jessica: Here's the message. It almost make me cry. No big deal, but like you're really here to break that. 

Noelle: I feel that. I know that. Okay. 

Jessica: Yeah. you are here. That is your purpose in this life that is this incarnation for you is to write a new path and to totally heal that intense ancestral trauma around this.

So here's the good news, you are doing it. The fact that we're talking about it, and it's in your awareness. As soon as something isn't awareness, it's done in the quantum, right? it's done now you're catching up to it in linear time. But I get that the journey is really hard, but I want you to know you're here to do it.

You are doing it. If that's. Making any of the fear any [00:41:00] more intense. Is it mother, father side, or both? 

Noelle: It's a little bit of both, but more, much more mother. 

Jessica: Okay. And you're like aware? I don't know. It probably goes back to many generations I'm feeling. But you're aware of the recent generational stories around that?

Noelle: Yes. 

Jessica: Yes. And then what, if anything different modalities things have you done to energetically or even consciously try to heal that within you?   

Noelle: Oh gosh. There's been a number of things. Everything from, using my breath and, just mindset and mantras. Getting in touch with my younger self and my previous, family members to give them grace and no longer blame, basically, Put the blame away, really just be empathetic. I now am empathetic instead of, really upset or angry or sad or any of those things. Yeah.   

Jessica: Okay. I feel that there's two things I wanna give you and I would actually suggest doing both.

[00:42:00] One is way more. Woo. Let me or Robyn or someone else help you find a really good energy healer there. I might be able to do some of it and I'd be open to trying with you. But just truly an energy healer that can help you go back like seven, nine generations and really just transmute some of that.

You would participate in that, but I think that's one route to go at it with. Then secondly, I love how you're holding the empathy and that's what you're meant to do in this life, the forgiveness for it. With any of this kind of stuff, and you're already doing it, but I wanna paint the picture to you.

And it's anything from a minor limiting belief to deep generational programming. Okay? 'cause that's what we're talking about. Ancestral programming is if you think of an iceberg and beneath the surface, what you wanna do is bring all that up. When you bring it up into the light and you shine a light on it via your awareness, you start to transmute it.

So that said that's why I was asking, are you aware of the stories? Are you aware of the trauma you where it came from? It sounds like you are, if there's any more [00:43:00] understanding you need to do there, I invite you to do it every time you bring it up. You're the lightworker, you're shining your light on it, it's transmuting.

Then what I would invite you to do, this is more of a conscious cognitive exercise, but I think it'll be a powerful one for you, is around scarcity in all trauma with women too. So all of that, write down the five main stories, like the, the fear-based stories that you inherited, whether it's about women and what they're capable of or not, or what they need to be.

And then any scarcity. And then what you're gonna do, and again, you're a lightworker, so you're gonna be able to do is you are gonna write the new stories. So you're gonna have, it's really funny, similar to caller that was on before, but totally different circumstance. get really clear, this was the story.

I inherited this one. And then what is the new story you're choosing? And then what I want to guide you to do with those new stories is let your soul, you're gonna be able to do this, show you what to do with those new stories. It might be a little ritual you do every day. It might be like one thing, like you take 'em to the beach, you [00:44:00] burn 'em.

I don't know. But there's something specific for you to do with those new stories. As a way to I'm bringing these in and through me bringing 'em in, I'm undoing all of that and not passing it on and creating a new pattern, a new, I'm weaving a new fabric, into my lineage. Okay. This is really big, deep stuff.

I did not expect to go there. Are you following? Tracking me so far? 

Noelle: 100%. Jessica if nothing else, this is very validating that you're saying all this yeah that has been a lot of my work and I've been doing it like even when Lizzi Cutler comes on and offers some free, cleansing, I've been doing so I've been working at this and it's very validating that you're telling me that's what I'm supposed to be doing.

Jessica: Great. Now, back on like the more tangible, because what's ultimately gonna transmute this whole thing is when you do different, when you create the example, you know that I'm the one that did it, for me, like [00:45:00] I'm the first person to get sober in my family, right? Like new actual lived pattern.

And you're talking about that with so purpose. Okay. Earlier in the show, I said, your sole purpose is to take who you truly are and what you love to the world. Now, what happens is, do you have clarity on what that might be or look like for you? Do you have a anchoring or a vision around that?

Noelle: no, I'm not there yet. 

Jessica: Okay. You'll get that. So you're gonna get curious about that. You're gonna invite it in. You are gonna say, show me I'm ready. And a lot of it is like this purpose work we just talked about, whether you go then teach about that, write a book about that I don't know.

But just be open to the universe showing you what it is, the truth of who you are and what you love, and showing up in that. Okay? Now here's the thing that you'll know. It's the soul purpose. The thing your ego, the voice of fear gets loudest about is your purpose. Okay? That's the biggest sign because your voice of fear in your mind, your limiting self.

It's only gonna get loud against the [00:46:00] truth of your soul. That's the purpose of it. That's how it moves and operates. Okay. So that's when you'll know that you've landed on it and then you're gonna have to reach a point right when you know what it is. And you're already doing a lot of this work by the way, where you're ready to start taking little steps.

And that's gonna feel really scary. And I'll just give you what I used to do and okay. And then I'll be quiet and let you ask some more questions. So much is coming in. This is what I used to do every day. So I started to have an idea about what my purpose was. A vision was starting to come in.

Right around that time. The voice of fear in my mind got so la go get another job. go back to marketing, it was so convincing that I almost did many times. And here was the truth that I wanna give you that I knew to be true. If I listen to the voice of fear and I take action.

Based on where it's guiding me, I will go to the lowest possible trajectory of my life. That's the only place the ego voice takes us. If I can instead, and if I know it's coming from my heart I might not believe in it, but I know it's coming from my soul, heart, and I can take a [00:47:00] little baby step of an action at a time towards that.

I step into my highest destiny, my highest abundance, my highest possibility. And here's the kicker. The universe puts no dream in my heart that leads to poverty. The universe isn't cruel. That is a lie of the ego mind. All dreams in my heart only lead to abundance if I choose them. So I would just sit and get quiet on those days and I'd go, wait, this voice feels really real.

If I could identify, it's coming For fear, I knew it was ego. What's my soul saying, okay, it feels so uncomfortable, but I know it's coming from my soul. I'm just gonna take a baby step towards it a day at a time, because I know that's my highest destiny. So it was a very cognitive, kind of behavioral process that I would just do a little baby step at a time, one little step through fear at a time.

Noelle: Okay. That is really helpful. And so though I don't have clarity, I do have little nuggets that I'm like, what the heck does this mean? And yeah. I'm very much into trying to teach people about the environment, whether it's connecting to [00:48:00] it or being so that they can then take better care of it.

And. I just am very passionate about, connecting people to their environment. I know it helps emotionally. It's just like a circular benefit, to the environment, to the people. And I know I have to do something with that, but I don't really know what that looks like yet.

Jessica: perfect. You're in a great place. so your purpose our minds and I get it and it's why the concentric circle model never worked for me to figure it out. You doing what you love will serve. Don't even worry about that. You doing what you're passionate about will help.

The world will serve because that's a frequency you're gonna be holding if nothing more. So like that I have no worry about right now. And I love what I'm hearing 'cause you said passion. So right now you're in the stage of be the curious detective about your passions. So all those little clues you're getting.  

anything you feel resonance, spark passion, a synchronicity for, literally write them as little clues in like the notes app on your phone. And [00:49:00] then at some point you're go, oh, 'cause you're getting those little clues and all that matters is resonance, excitement, spark, passion. That's it.

You don't even have to like, figure out and how it'll serve. And univers will show you on that. Right now, your only job is clarity on the passion. Does that make sense? 

Noelle: Yes it does. Absolutely. 

Thank you. Yeah, I am, you have no idea when you said ancestral, trauma and the scarcity thing it just, it takes a weight off my chest just to know That is recognized. Yeah. 

Jessica: Yeah. Oh, a book I love on that. It's Lynn t Twist The Soul of Money. Have you ever read? Oh, 

Noelle: yeah. I haven't read it, but I've heard of her. She is phenomenal at the way she talks about money. It's a soul a soul. Yeah. It is. It's a person. It's been, I've never heard anyone, talk about money before like that, but yes.

that's a book that I do wanna read because the little bit that I've heard of her, it's very it resonates. 

Robyn: Yeah. I [00:50:00] actually just reread it. That's so funny. You did. Literally, I read it like two weeks ago. I reread it So that is a good one.

And Messages From Money by Ellen Rogin is another good one. She's another one. Both of those I think would be helpful. And I just love, there's a reason too that I know of Noelle's curiosity and openness to all of this and to want to do the work in order to, and I would never have even known about the ancestral ties to all of this.

And so there's a reason that when I knew we were doing this today, honestly, it was like this loud voice in my ear. I told this to Noelle, it was like. Call Noelle, . Noelle could use this. And so there's a reason that you're here right now, and you and I love that passion. I know Noelle has such passion for so many things, and I can totally see you using one of those passions as a way to help heal others.  

I don't even know if you realize, Jessica, you used the [00:51:00] word Noelle as a healer, and I can see that a thousand percent. 

Jessica: Yeah. I really see that's what was coming through. Again, take it or leave it. Like the main is creating it, healing your lightworker, healing all this ancestral.

Robyn: Yes. I think that's, what you're 

Jessica: doing and you, and just, you have done it. It's always like you're just catching up to it in linear time. Yeah. 

Robyn: I can almost see you. And honestly, Noelle like creating something really new and different. With your love of, let's say, the water or your love of how you use your body and the land.

And I can see you taking people through certain steps in order to help heal certain aspects of themselves. So I'll follow up with you on that, but I can see there's so much there. And the other thing I wanted to say too, and Jessica and I were talking about this earlier, is that when you have these crossroad moments we say moments, but they actually can be years.

And so just know, yeah. It's [00:52:00] not weird that, it takes a little bit of time to do this work and then really charge a new path forward. 

Jessica: I always get annoyed when people say it like, we're here for the journey, not the destination.

I'm like, I want the destination. But it's true. And I'll say I more and more appreciate the journey, even this 2025 journey I've been on so far, because Yeah. And I'm, I've been really trying to practice that in my own life. It's the whole, we teach what we most need to learn. Yeah. So I feel you, and it's such a good point, Robyn, we're here to do the journey. 

Yeah. And you're doing it. You are doing it. Or we would not be talking. 

Noelle: Thank you so much. Yeah. I just like anything, when you aren't getting quick responses, you're like. am I on the right track? This is really helpful. Thank you. 

Jessica: Good. Thank you.

Noelle: Thank you so much. 

Jessica: Thank you so much.

Thanks, Noelle. Stay in touch. 

Thank you. Bye 

Noelle: bye.

Robyn: That was incredible to witness. Jessica. 

Jessica: That was so much fun. Thank you for bringing on just two incredible women and it was my honor, it was so much fun.[00:53:00] 

Had a blast. 

Robyn: One, I'm really grateful to them For trusting. . That was 

Jessica: like, it's not easy to put yourself out there, it's 

Robyn: hello. I feel, it's a little being naked in a way. Yeah. Yes. and I'm so grateful they did, because I think what you were able to give both of them was a clear path to move forward, which is what they're both looking for in such different ways and such validation for both of them.

What a gift that you give to people in using all aspects of yourself. Jessica, it was really cool to see and be a part of that energy. And I know, 'cause I'll get to follow up with both of them I'll be that accountability person for them and just, see how this helps them both move forward in, those two different aspects.

Jessica: And I'm here if there's any follow-ups to, that was quick. And hopefully they both received something, but I'm still here as well if they need anything. 

Robyn: Thank you. And I know you do this all the [00:54:00] time and for somebody that is. Listening, watching right now.

And they're looking to make some sort of powerful shift in their life. Move through some of the fear. And again, we can even see just in these two different examples, that fear can come in such different ways, but ultimately it is fierce in some ways, keeping someone from really taking that next step.

What is one thing that you recommend to someone listening, watching that can help them shift? 

Jessica: You know what I wanna say, Robyn? And, 'cause we geek out on the same spiritual study and work, often a response to that would be to witness the fear. But what I wanna say instead is get to know your heart.

Get to know your soul. Invite that in each day. Hey, soul, heart who, from a place of curiosity. What do you wanna show me? What do you wanna tell me today? And make that journey and that getting to know like in whatever way feels comfortable, it might be journaling, it might be that I meditate or I [00:55:00] just say a simple little thing, but just bring that in.

I'm gonna get to know what my heart has to say to me today. 

Robyn: Oh, I'm gonna 

Jessica: get to know my soul. Yeah, 

Robyn: I think that's huge. I think what's so interesting is we just had someone on recently talking about equine healing and how horses have, their hearts are 10 times bigger than ours and they come from the place of the heart.

And so the woman that we were talking to is both an animal communicator as well as an equine healing, practitioner. And she says that's so much of what the horses are telling us too. And I know that sounds weird, but I just want say there's no coincidence that's what you're starting from too, is yeah, let's listen to our heart. What is that truth? What is our soul saying from that heart place? that is so important. And the other thing that I also wanna say that came up a couple times in this conversation is that place of when you were little, What was your dream? [00:56:00] What is your dream?

What still comes up for you? Because you may be ex age, but as we all know, it's so easy to think, you time is so strange, right? Because we can so very much remember dreams and so forth from when we were little because they, they travel with us, they're in our heart. And what is that for you? What is that for any given person? That's the truth of your soul and where you ultimately have planned in this lifetime. To go and do. 

Jessica: absolutely. I believe that's a lot of times I'll work with women and they're like I don't know, because we're so used to not asking the question, we've just shoved it down.

So we're so used to listening to this. So I think it's a lifelong question. I love that. 

Robyn: It is. And I will say too, you are also reminding me, even with my daughter, to ask her, she's going through the process right now of looking at colleges and all of that, and [00:57:00] it's such a there's that responsible place of, am I making sure that whatever I'm looking to study will pay my bills and what do I really wanna do?

Jessica: Yeah. 

Robyn: And it, sometimes it's the same, but there's something to all of this in this conversation. 

Jessica: Yeah. a lot of women in my community that do this work in the women's purpose community now that they struggle with it, so it's a very common, it's I know it's the dream in your heart.

I know it's a thing you love. And then it's like this 3D reality kicks in and oh wait, what is it? 'cause then our own fear is, you want 

Robyn: I know. Yeah. So if people want to work with you, dive deeper into all that you have to offer. What's the best place to do that and how can they work with you?

Jessica: Yeah. Thank you for the question. The best place is my main website, which is my name. So it's pretty easy to remember. It's jessica join There's a few ways. One is really women's purpose community. That's a community of about 80 women who focus on their personal and [00:58:00] spiritual growth.

There's a lot of information about that on the website. I'm also available for coaching as well. Just check it out, see what you find there. And I'm happy to connect with anyone. 

Robyn: Excellent. And I'm so grateful to now know you and be on the journey with you. And same. Collaborate more together and, yes.  

Charge forward with our own heart's desire and truth of who we are. Because I feel like we're supposed to hook arms. There's finding your people 

Jessica: Absolutely. I love it. I feel that energy too. Collaboration is abundance. So there we go.   

Robyn: Thank you Jessica. 

Jessica: Thank you for having me on.

It's been such an honor. 

Robyn: And it's been such an honor to see you in action and thank you for all that you have done and are doing and following , the truth in your heart. we'll have Jessica's site in our show notes.

Jessica: Thank you again.