RWB 80 John Herlosky: Remote Viewing

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John Herlosky: Remote Viewing

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John Herlosky is the author of his autobiography, A SORCERER’S APPRENTICE: A Skeptic’s Journey into the CIA’s Project Star Gate, available at TrineDay.com and the usual sellers.

Remote viewing is the ability to personally and internally perceive and experience a target identified by masked coordinates.

John is a former police officer, Academy instructor for two large metro police departments, and EMT2 involved in martial arts for years who became a private military contractor working with Naval Special Warfare. He received remote viewing training from the original members of the CIA’s Project Star Gate from 1999 to 2004 and has worked as an operational remote viewer since 2001 through a former operative with Naval Intelligence.

John told me, “After remote viewing, no one looks at things the same way. … It removes the fear of death. … It’s the closest thing you get to magic. … It seems to work by intention.”

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome to Reality with Bruce Fitoris. With me is John Hurloski, a former police officer and academy instructor for two large Metro Police Departments, and also former private military contractor working with Naval Special Warfare. John received remote viewing training from the original members of the CIA's Project Stargate from 1999 to 2004 and worked as an operational remote viewer since 2001, has worked through a former operative with Naval Intelligence. John wrote his autobiography, A Sorcerer's Apprentice: A Skeptic's Journey into the CIA's Project Stargate. Great to talk to you again, John. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:51

It's good to talk to you again, Brutus. I'm doing fine. Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

I am deeply and long time and truly uh fascinated by all things metaphysical, and especially the multidimensional nature of reality, but particularly um near-death experiences.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Well, it's funny that you said that uh you were interested in metaphysical things because prior to reading Dave Morehouse's book, Psychic Warrior, um, I was a skeptic. And uh I didn't buy into that type of new age sort of thing. Um in Marquette University, uh my field of study was mathematical physics, and so I was highly grounded in the physical sciences. When I first saw the book in 1997, Psychic Warrior, I thought it was science fiction. But I picked it up and I read the Inside Leaf, and I was shocked to discover it was an expose by a former member of the so-called Project Stargate. Um, the military's attempt to use psychic ability in an intelligence gathering mode.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Where were you in your life at that point? What were you doing? What were you into?

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Well, I actually had just uh finished a project called Trojan Warrior II, which my co-creator uh at the Institute for Evolutionary Technologies and I had uh researched, and it was a military program run by the special forces.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

So you were you were scientist, researcher.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Okay. George Warrior was a special forces program that tried to integrate mind-body technologies into special forces, and they use all sorts of different things. They use meditation, they used biofeedback. Actually, this was how I got into psychic warrior. This was the reason. I was looking for more information on that sort of thing in the bookstore. I read it in a single sitting that night and was just blown away that the CIA had sponsored a program that utilized psychics to spy on the Soviet Union, China, um uh whole drug dealers, a whole host of different targets.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

And and this, I think, was one of the more popular books that brought this to a more general audience.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

It was, it was actually a bestseller.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Did it proceed, did it precede the Hollywood movie with George Clooney, Men Who Stare at Goats?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Oh, yeah, that way before. Okay. This was in '97. Looking at goats came out after. I mean, there were a whole host of books that came out afterwards, and um the goats book was one of them, because uh several of the people involved in uh the goats book were involved in the Stargate program.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

The surprising thing to me, even more surprising that the government used these remote viewers, was the fact that these remote viewers were taught how to use their psychic ability, and that's just fascinating me. I mean, how can you teach someone how to be psychic? So I made a point about number one, reading everything I could find on remote viewing and to try and get a hold of this David Morehouse fellow. And in nine the spring of 1999, I happened to page through a new age newspaper, and there in the advertisements was a blurb for learn remote viewing with David Morehouse at UCLA. So I called the number, signed up for it, and never looked back. I stayed, I was with Dave Morehouse until uh for four years from 1999 through 2004.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

So the type of people who are going right now, huh? What is remote viewing?

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Most people believe that remote viewing and clairvoyance, the ability to see persons, places, objects, or events distant in space and time outside the normal five modes of perception, are the same thing. And that couldn't be farther from the truth. There's no such thing as a solo remote viewer, there's no such thing as being born a remote viewer, and there's no such thing as, yeah, they've been remote viewing ever since the dawn of history. Not true. They're talking about clairvoyance or ESP. Remote viewing is entirely different. Remote viewing is actually a protocol and a methodology that were scientifically designed to be as accurate as possible, given the weak signal strength that you sort of tune into when you're a viewer. Remote viewing actually is just a set of parameters under which your native psychic ability is utilized. And a methodology is simply a set of instructions on how to actually use your innate psychic ability in a straightforward, repeatable, coherent manner. Psychic ability is a regular human attribute, and as such, um comes into play on a bell-shaped curve. There are going to be some on the far end of the bell curve that aren't going to show much at all. And then there are the others on the other side of the bell curve that do really, really well. Personally, I remember that the first time I walked into Dave Morehouse's class, and uh after learning the first um stages of what was known as coordinate remote viewing, uh, now called controlled remote viewing, CRV, uh, we had our first target. And out of the entire class, I was the only one who got nothing. Zero, absolutely zip. And Dave Morehouse came over to my papers or to my desk and he said, Don't worry about it. Everybody has, you know, takes a little bit to figure it out, so to speak. And he said, You'll do better the next time. And surprisingly, the on my second target, I did really well. I heard sounds, I smelled things, I felt things, I saw things. In CRV, you're basically they do what is called a uh a cool down, and basically the idea behind that is uh to ease your mind down, put aside everything else, and just concentrate on what you're doing. And you basically get yourself into a mindset uh similar to that of watching TV, where you're open and receptive, and it's it's it's no different than sitting on the couch and watching and being engrossed in a TV program. It's pretty much the same thing, and I do it with my eyes closed, but there are people out there who actually do it with their eyes open. CRV, I see things against my closed eyelids, things float up into my visual field. And extended remote viewing is an entirely different cat, if you will. In extended remote viewing, you actually do get into an altered state. Um, you have to get into a really deep hypnagogic state for it to work, and that's basically the same kind of state that's in deep hypnosis. When I see things, I see things like in the back of my head, so to speak, not against my eyelids. It's a completely different experience. And I used to do a lot of what were called bilocations in ERV or extended remote viewing. And then in a billocation, right, you identify so strongly with that target that it's as if it's as if you're actually there, it becomes really clear. So I primarily use ERV when I do operational work. To give you an idea of what the experience is like, when I was in my first ERV class, we did our our first target. I had a by-location, which surprised the hell out of me. You're normally in a supine position, you're bundled up, you're comfortable, and the lights would all be turned way down low, and you would go into this altered state. You've got an eye shield on, you got earplugs in, so there's no external sounds other than the deep um binaural beat, and you go through the uh what they call the delivery mechanisms for ERV, and you drop into the target area, and it was like you were actually there. Well, this target to give you an idea what it what it actually feels like. It felt like I was immersed in water. I mean, it was thick and viscous, it was dark, and there were little flakes floating in whatever medium I was in. It was like snow, and I was like, wow, what is this? Where am I? And suddenly I was freezing cold, and it felt like someone was sitting on my chest, like there was a huge amount of pressure, and it was really hard to breathe. And suddenly up in front of me loomed this wall. And as I rose up, the wall stopped, and there was like a fence, and it was like a barbed wire fence, only there was no barbs, there were just clumps of material on it, like like you've seen on a fence in in winter. You know, the snow has fallen, and the snow falls on the wires and stuff like that, and forms clumps. And the guy who was next to me um had sleep apnea and had fallen asleep, which is not unusual in an ERV course. And he started to snore. And the effect for me was like being on the end of a stretched-out rubber band, and when he snored, it was like somebody let go of one of the ends because it snapped me back to the room and full consciousness, and I had a set of vertigo that you wouldn't believe. It was just incredible. Well, it turns out that the target was the Titanic, the thick, heavy, cold, oppressive, closed-in feeling I was getting was because the Titanic is located three miles down, 15,000 feet in the Atlantic. Um, it was the front of the ship. And if you've ever seen pictures of the Titanic, the front of the ship where the guardrail is is clumped with marine growth, yeah, exactly as I had seen it. So that was my first experience with ERV.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

You didn't know the destination you were being led to until it was confirmed after the uh session was over, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Exactly. And we only get what is called encrypted coordinates, and encrypted in uh coordinates are nothing more than randomly chosen letters and or numbers that actually stand for the gestalt of the target. You focus on the numbers, right? And in the target package that has the numbers written on it, inside the envelope is all the information that the client, or in this case, you know, the teacher, wants you to find out.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Somehow the the scant information you are given has some relationship to the target and somehow it it in it informs what you will experience somehow. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 14:22

That's correct. Yeah, it does actually. They believe that uh remote viewing is intention-driven. Okay, so when the tasker uh makes up the target package, it's his intention that you that you will see the target when you get these coordinates. So that sort of imbues, for want of a better word, those coordinates with the intention of going to a particular target listed inside the target package.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

If intention has that power, it resonates with all we in the Western world hear about faith. So what do you enjoy thinking or indulging the the thought of the nature of reality and existence in terms of what's quote unquote really going on, the spiritual nature of existence, the power of the mind, what is eternal. Talk about those kind of things if you don't mind, please.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Prior to Dave's course, I was I had some ambivalence regarding the idea of uh near-death experiences and the thought the idea of life after death. You know, being a scientist, being brought up in physics, I tend to take a hard view, hard science view of the things around me. So I didn't really have an idea. I mean, it was interesting to me that people would go through a near-death experience. A lot of me said, well, it's probably some sort of chemical deal happening inside the brain, that it's just an illusion. But after going through Dave's course and experiencing the things I've experienced, I now believe there is more on the other side, that death is just an event horizon, if you will, a one-way door. And there is some sort of existence on that other side. And the recent discoveries uh in quantum physics tends to bear this out, that uh information, for instance, uh, under quantum mechanics, information can't be destroyed. So it's really interesting to me that if you look at reality from an information base, then if reality is basically information, that can't be destroyed. And all the things that make up your soul, for want of a better term, uh, can't be destroyed by physical death of the body. There's something else there. I mean, how could I do the things that I do right if there wasn't something else out there?

SPEAKER_01 17:41

What has that done for the quality of you enjoying being you during this human lifetime you are experiencing?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Well, I'll tell you this much. One of the things we that everybody notices when they go through a class in remote viewing is you don't look at the world the same way. Everything seems brighter, seems more intense, especially after a uh a remote viewing session. You're actually told to go outside and get grounded, if you will, because you tend to be a little spacey and your sense impressions become really strong. And it's really fascinating uh to walk out of a class and see the looks on everybody's faces. When you've been doing it for as long as I have, coming up on 27 years, your antennas start to become available all the time. One day I was driving into a fast food restaurant, and I parked in a spot, and there were plenty of spaces. So I wasn't real careful about how I parked my car. I just parked it and I was half in one spot and half in another. And as I was unbuckling my seatbelt, this car came out of nowhere and came over and stopped in front of my parked vehicle and beeped his horn at me. So he wrote the guy rolled down his window and said, Hey, move your car. You're blocking a spot. And I and I laughed. I looked around. There were probably a dozen other spaces in the parking lot that were empty. And I said, Take a look around. There are plenty of empty spaces. You don't need to park right here. So he muttered an expletive and went over and parked in one of the other spots. So I was about to get out of my car. I was pushing aside some stuff off into my passenger side, and suddenly it hit me, he's coming, he's coming for me. So I immediately opened the door and stepped out, and sure enough, he was sneaking up behind me at the back side of my car. And I stood there and giving him my best dirty hairy look, said, I think you need to get back in your car. If you don't, I'm going to put you someplace you aren't going to like. And he stopped. And he looked at me, he said, Well, you parked really badly. And I looked at him, I said, plenty of other places to park. Find one. And he took one look at me, he turned around and walked away. So that sense of danger suddenly appeared in my in my mind. And it was dead on.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

How much big how much bigger than him are you or were you?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Uh he was stocky, but he was shorter than I was. And you know, having been through two police academies, spent nine years in Shaolin Kung Hu, fought in the ring, had over 100 knockdown drag out fights in my police career, uh, which I always won, there probably wasn't going to be much he was going to be able to do physically.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

But it's a great that I couldn't handle. Right, no, but it's a it's a great story of the sensibility or the the ability that you cultivated and how it kicked in to serve you in this particular in that particular instance.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Yeah, the interesting thing was was that the picture in my mind of the guy matched the picture, matched the actual guy.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

So it was kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Well, it it really is, and I want to tell you about a YouTube channel. Maybe you know about it, maybe you've heard me talk about it, because I've been talking about For years recommending a YouTube channel that has interviews of people who had NDEs, near-death experiences. And they are so comforting and inspiring. And that's his last name is C-H-E-N-E. He's French, he pronounces it Shen, but we would search for it. Anthony Chin Production. So for you or anybody else who wants to see one or two, or all of them, they are they have the effect on me. A tiny version of you after a session, just wow, if that's possible, I I'm a lot safer than I ever thought I was.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

And like Mark Twain said, you know, takes away the fear of death.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

90% of the things they worried about never happened, you know. So that kind of thing. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Are you familiar with Iban Alexander?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

As a name that I have written down a dozen times to research and get his work, and I've never lifted a finger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah. After I became a remote viewer, he was one of the ones that I was really interested in learning about. Because he was a doctor, which means he has, you know, he's familiar with the scientific method. And um he changed my mind about NDEs.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

And his first name is E B-A-N, correct? Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah. Yeah, I I um recommend that everybody who is interested in an NDE uh read his book. It's really fascinating. Is he still around? As far as I know, yeah. I'm friends with him on Facebook.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Nice. Yeah, I think he's been prolific. He probably has many interviews or YouTube videos, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Oh, yeah, I'm sure it.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

No, he's referenced often when uh this topic comes up. John, what final point would you make about the the comfort or the power or the or or or I don't want to limit you to that?

SPEAKER_00 24:10

It's an experience, okay? You have it has to be validated through feedback. What a lot of sensationalists do is they will do sessions, and one of the things they do which violates the protocol is to know the target. You know, to remote to so-called remote view knowing your target. Well, that violates the protocol. Remote viewer can't know the target. Unfortunately, there are quite a few of people out there that say they're remote viewers but aren't. And there are a few remote viewers out there who know the protocol but voluntarily discard it and come up with all sorts of outrageous stuff. This is about as close as you can get to magic. You know, we don't know how remote viewing works. Uh, this is all information that's filtering in when we don't even know the target. So the fact that the information we get is usually accurate, but not always. Um, you have to remember that.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

In addition to your book, A Sorcerer's Apprentice, A Skeptic's Journey into the CAA's Project Stargate, available at trying day.com and Amazon and all the usual sellers. And Psychic Warrior was Morehouse's book.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Yes, Dave Morehouse, Psychic Warrior.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Dave Psychic Warrior. What's a third title you would you would recommend to anyone to flesh out their uh study of this?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Oh, um most of the Stargate remote viewers have books out. Um Ingo Swan, uh the one of the original remote viewers who created CRV, has passed on, but he left a wealth of books that you can get um from as you say uh Amazon. Dave Morehouse also wrote uh remote viewing, which is a college-level partise on coordinate remote viewing.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

People, if they have questions, they can send me requests on Facebook. I want to do, I do want to mention uh one other viewer's book, uh, and that's Paul H. Smith, who is also a Stargate viewer. He has an excellent insider's view of the whole program. And it's called Inside the Enemy's Mind or Viewing Inside the Enemy's Mind. I forget, but it's Paul H. Smith, and it's a it's an excellent insider's view of the inner workings, if you will, of the Stargate program.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Thank you. Really, thank you, John. I appreciate your time very, very much. I uh I'll talk to you after I kill the recording about when I'll get this posted and things like that. But any final uh thoughts or anything?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Well, thank you very much for your time. Um, it was a pleasure as always being on your show, and uh we'll probably do it again sometime.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

I wouldn't be surprised. All right, thank you. Hang in there, and I want to thank everybody for watching and listening today.