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Thank you very much,"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2000.969,"endTime":2004.509,"body":"Mike in tech for your company."},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2005.109,"endTime":2007.119,"body":"We'd also like to send a big"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2005.109,"endTime":2007.119,"body":"thank you to everyone who is"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2007.119,"endTime":2009.639,"body":"listening and hope you can join"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2007.119,"endTime":2009.639,"body":"us on our next episode of high"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2009.639,"endTime":2012.849,"body":"tech local podcast, where as"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2009.639,"endTime":2012.849,"body":"always, we'll talk about more"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2012.849,"endTime":2017.949,"body":"topics of the tech universe. See"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2012.849,"endTime":2017.949,"body":"you soon. Thanks, Mike. You guys"}]}