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Please join us on"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2188.158,"endTime":2192.525,"body":"our next episode of high tech"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2188.158,"endTime":2192.525,"body":"low code podcast, where we will"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2192.597,"endTime":2196.821,"body":"feature our first guest and we"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2192.597,"endTime":2196.821,"body":"will approach the subject of"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2196.893,"endTime":2201.69,"body":"women in tech industry. Thank"},{"speaker":"Mario Cunha","startTime":2196.893,"endTime":2201.69,"body":"you, okay, we're off. Thank you guys."}]}