Beneath Your Bed Podcast
Beneath Your Bed Podcast
The Swimmers of Lake Baikal and USOs
Russia’s Lake Baikal is the deepest, and one of the most picturesque, lakes on the planet. But what otherworldly terrors lurk beneath its surface? Tonight we’ll be diving into the mystery of Lake Baikal and the Swimmers.
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New York Times
2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated Like Nothing I’ve Ever Seen’
Dec. 16, 2017
By Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html
Quest TV
Did The Soviet Union Discover Aliens In The Deepest Lake In The World? | UFOs: The Lost Evidence
Sep 21, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVq7gBH70WE&ab_channel=QuestTV
Siberian Times
March 30, 2015
'Aliens and UFOs at world's deepest lake'
Washington Post
Former Navy Pilot Describes UFO Encounter Studied by Secret Pentagon Program
Dec. 18, 2017
By Eli Rosenberg
Russian Navy Declassifies Cold War Close Encounters
Wired
July 24, 2009
By David Axe
https://www.wired.com/2009/07/russian-navy-declassifies-cold-war-close-encounters/
Coast to Coast
Russian USO Incidents
May 15, 2016
Guests: Paul Stonehill and Richard Dolan
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016-05-15-show/
Russia's Lake by call is the deepest and one of the most scenic lakes on the planet. But what other worldly terrors lurk beneath that surface tonight, we'll be diving into the mystery of Lake by call Jen, how are ya? Hey Jen, I'm doing all right. How are you? I'm doing okay for it to be a Wednesday hump day. Yeah. Recording on night. We've that sounds like something out of folklore tradition. We've actually been recording on Wednesdays a couple of times in a row. Now it seems to work out that way. I think it's kind of a little lift, you know, that we record. Cause I look forward to it. I do too. I look forward to it as well. So what have you been up to? My wife lost her job as you know, so we're, we're dealing with that. That's a lot, many people, you know, losing their jobs. So it's not unique, not a unique thing, unfortunately. So we're, we're dealing with that. And what else? Oh, I got, I do have some good news. I wasn't going to tell you so your good news will tell me the good news is I got my emergency Bigfoot collar in. Oh, you did? And I haven't listened to it. Can you see it? It's kind of green. Yes. Yes. It's cool. And it's, it's got big foot on it. So do you want to hear it? How snort roar or groan? I want to hear it grown because a hard decision. All right. That is totally crazy. Let's hear at snort. Okay. That sounds like Satan. It does. That does not sound like a normal snort. How about, how about, um, what was the first one? How what's it sound like when it's hell yeah.
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Speaker 1:That kind of sounded like tars. I think it sounded like Bigfoot. So do do, I don't think you did, um, you didn't do roar. Okay. Sounds like a dog. That's really scary. If I heard any one of those sounds my would be running in the opposite direction, Jen, but I have to ask you, so you said, it sounds like big foot now, when, when my friend have you heard Bigfoot, we're watching the programs on YouTube travel channel. It's been a while, but that's what it sounds like. Okay. I think it sounds like it. Why is the travel channel? And I'm not complaining because I watch it a lot, but they have literally like all of their programming a hundred percent is supernatural stuff from like big foot to UFO's to ghosts. There is no travel unless it's, you know, I guess you're traveling to different places because that's where the creatures are. But it's so funny. It's like they, I think they should come up with a different name for it. I don't know what happened either, but I noticed that too. I definitely liked that channel though. Since it's been, this has been going on for probably a decade that they've moved from travel to Bigfoot foot, big foot channel, where they have paranormal stuff on there. Right? They do. There's a show called the dead files that I get a big kick out of. I mean, I'm sort of simultaneously scared and entertained by it. Um, my Brian, my husband makes fun of it. Makes fun of me for watching it, but he's been, let me tell you about this. So he actually downloaded the hallmark channel so he could watch those cheesy, romantic Christmas. Are you kidding? I am not kidding. He loves those. So he hangs out if P if I haven't mentioned this before we have one cat, who's afraid of all the other cats. So he has his own room and he has a TV, a big screen TV in that room. So my husband goes into Desmond's room and watches. Those I've caught him in there today, watching a hallmark Christmas movie,
Speaker 3:As you know, my wife watches them constantly starting in maybe July. No kidding.
Speaker 1:I have to admit I was, I was went in there to see my husband, see what he was doing. And I almost got sucked into it. I was like, Oh, I think I'm starting to figure out a plot point. And I almost stayed. But then I had to get on this meeting for work, which is another story I'm sitting on my couch. You know, it's, it's actually a late meeting. It didn't happen until 5:00 PM and grace. One of my other cats. I know, I sound crazy. She was all over me. Like she came down, she, she ended up like snuggling up right on my chest and like putting her head under my chin. And I'm on camera with all these people at this professional meeting. And she was being so sweet, but everybody was like, Oh kitty. So it worked out. Okay. But it was kind of embarrassed.
Speaker 3:It's good. You know, relief to have animals. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, definitely for me, I just wonder if people think I'm too much with mine, like climbing up my back and appearing, you know, over top of my head and they do crazy stuff while I'm on zoom.
Speaker 3:Sometimes each cat makes an appearance and you have five just said to my wife today, I'm like, I want to ask you something and don't say no, until I ask you, just think about it. I said, I want to get a puppy. Oh, having lost her job. She's like, no, I do not. I said, just think about it. She's like, okay, I'll think about it. I'm like, now's the time to do it because while we're both home.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly. And that might kind of ease, you know, if you know, I know your wife's dog is older. We might ease that when that time comes not to be super depressing time. Are you talking about gen two? I have to spell it out. Are you kidding? I am kidding. You. It's like what I thought I could deal in subtlety with you, but apparently not.
Speaker 3:It's yeah. It's I, I think it's around the corner. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1:We should talk about our drinks and then I have to make a correction. Should I make the correction first to make the corrections until we, okay. So I am, I'm intensely sorry for this. But in our episode about Pamela Coleman Smith, I misstated something and I made a joke about it. So we were talking about the actress, Ellen, Terry. And I said, I said that she was Charles Dickens mistress, that it was sad that she was best known for him. It turns out she had nothing to do with Dick. And I'm so embarrassed. So I'm having something very simple. It's called, um, uh, Quantro Royal and Ooh, it just consists of Quatro and champagne. Now what does Quantro tastes like? It's an orange, the core. That sounds so good. Oh my gosh. As you can see, I'm on my going into my second bottle of champagne, I feel like tonight's going to be an extra special podcasting night. Oh my gosh. Well, I, I'm very excited to tell you what I'm drinking and this beautiful. Thank you. So it's like a pale pink, just a really pretty rosy pink. And it's in my, um, one of my vintage coops that is ringed with silver. I love this coop and I have a garnished with three raspberries on a skewer. It's like an arrow skewer. So I don't know. I've just been wanting to try something different. So, um, so this is called a Clover club. Apparently it's like a, have you heard of this? So if you heard of it, you may know one really weird ingredient in it, which I've used. I don't know. I just know it's raspberry simple syrup and in gen, right? It is accepted. So you can use raspberry simple as here, but I didn't have that, but I did have, um, sham board. So it said you could use a raspberry liquor too. I use two ounces of gin, an ounce of sham board. And then, um, I fresh squeezed lemon. Then the really crazy thing is you take an egg white and you put it in there. Okay. Yeah, I noticed, so I'm drinking, I'm drinking raw egg right now. And it makes like it's delicious because it gives it this fullness. I mean, I was really kind of like when I realized it had a raw egg, I wasn't sure about it. What's egg white, isn't it? It's egg white. Yeah. So it's not the whole egg. And then you put it in your, your shaker with a lot of ice and you shake it and you have to shake it really, really hard. And it develops this foam on top of the cocktail. Oh my gosh. And it just gives it this fullness and then it's kind of foamy and it's like the gin, but the raspberry and the tartness of the lemon, it is, this is one of the best cocktails I think I've ever had. It's really good. Super excited about it. And I'm excited to hear your story tonight. All right. So you told me a little bit about what we'd be talking about tonight. I'm super excited about it. It sounds really interesting. So let's, let's get into it. All right. Let's get started. I'm going to talk about the swimmers of Lake by call and USO's. I think everyone's heard of UFO's. I don't think nearly as many people have heard about USO's and USO stands for unidentified submerged object before you told me that I never even, it never even occurred to me that an unidentified flying object could go underwater. I had read a story or heard it reference once. And for some reason, John keel stands in my stands out, but I'm not sure if it was John keel or not. But when I read about it, I was thinking that's just really wacky. So now I'm talking about, no, I don't think it's so wacky. Well, I mean, if you think about, I mean, if something can fly and if they have, you know, I mean, we have things that can fly and also go under water. So really why not? But it does make it to me. It makes it way more creepy. Cause
Speaker 3:I mean, one of you're swimming in the ocean and then first of all, that's scary enough to me by, by itself, but then some UFO USO abductor seal. Yes. And that's in the realm of possibility, Jen, I really do think it's in the cards for us at some point. Well, either that or ending up on the long John Silver's without pants, it's like, that'll be me. I'm most likely for that one. So before I get to the swimmers of Lake by call, I just want to briefly touch on USO's and then I'm going to talk about the sweaters of Lake by call and then I'm going to come back to USO's. Okay. So in 2009, Russia declassified, a lot of, um, a lot of documents and in those documents were references to encounters that the Russian Navy had had with USO's and one in particular it's undated, but there was a nuclear submarine somewhere in the South Pacific and they allegedly or reportedly in the documents encountered this formation of alien aircraft that were in the water. And it was like 853 feet deep to be exact. Wow. So they were, they were able to see down into the water that these aircraft were there. No, they were, they were in a nuclear submarine. Uh, gotcha. Okay. And so their soon our picks up six objects in the water, like disc shaped objects. So they have these six objects in the water, the radar picks it up and it's going at this crazy speed. And we can have something far more advanced than this, but evidently U S nuclear powered submarines. It can go a little bit faster than 23 miles per hour. That's fast. But this object was going at like 250 miles per hour stuff that they had never seen out the resistance of the water. I mean, there would be so much resistance. Right? Exactly. And the Russians at the time were panicked and they were thinking, could this be something, a new weapon that us has? They didn't really know what to think about it. So these objects are coming directly towards them. And at that moment was like a all hands on deck type moment at some point in time that the sob slows down and then the disc shape objects, they slow down to the captain orders is emergency surfacing. And so they go up and then a few minutes later they saw these objects are merged from the water and they fly away. Whoa. Also, according to these documents that were declassified, evidently like 50% of UFO accounters are connected with the oceans. And it also said 15% were connected with lakes for all these years. I think we've all been thinking about UFO's in the air force. We've never really thought about, in my opinion, like the Navy and your foes, you wouldn't really connect the two, I don't think. Right. No. And it's interesting, you know, I just, I'm trying to think an extra terrestrial,
Speaker 1:Which is sort of a strange, strange way of thinking, but I'm just thinking, why would they want to go under water? But then if you think about all of the life in the ocean and in some of the other bodies of water, why wouldn't they there's so much to discover down there and maybe they're more undetectable too.
Speaker 3:And when researching this, I came, I came across this one quote, over and over and over again, and I don't know who to attribute it to, but they said, think about it. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do about the ocean. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because it's so incredibly deep and vast.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So now I'm going to move on to, or talk about Lake by call and the way it's spelled is B a I K a L and it's pronounced Lake by call. So it sends Southern sub-area and I think it's reasonably close to the Mongolian border just to kind of give you a picture of what Lake by call is like, it's really, really unique. And it is actually the largest fresh water Lake in the planet or on the planet. So it comprises like 20% of the world's fresh water. And it's something like five times bigger than all five of the great lakes combined.
Speaker 1:It's amazing. That is amazing. When I lived in Rochester, you know, we were right on the shores of Lake Ontario and that's immense when you're, you know, when you're at the beach on Lake Ontario, you feel like you are in some ways at the ocean because it's just so vast and imagining. Um, and I don't think it's the biggest of the great lakes. So imagining all of those together, it's bigger than those. That's, that's pretty big.
Speaker 3:It's incredible. And of course I hopped on YouTube to see Lake by call and see what it was like. And it's absolutely stunning in one of the videos I was watching, this guy was going to stay in a remote cabin, the cook a little, almost like a little trapper's cabin. And he was going to say out there something like nine months in order to get there, someone had to drive him in a van across the frozen Lake. Wow. And to watch that was just, for me, it was unnerving. It's unbelievable. And it's unnerving
Speaker 1:Hard to imagine a truck being able to stay. You know, it was a vast J on a van, but to imagine that's really heavy, um, that ice must've been, I can't even imagine how thick the ice must've been.
Speaker 3:And he wasn't even, the driver was even like gingerly pulling onto the Lake. No, let's take it easy or anything. It was just barreling across the Lake. And so when the guy gets to the trapper's cabin, he has two bottles of vodka and he it's, you know, snows all around that. He takes the bottles of vodka. He throws it out into those, out, into the area, outside of his cabin and evidently hunters or trappers. When they go to these cabins, they evidently threw vodka out. And then when the snow starts to recede, then they realize, they realize like their season's over.
Speaker 1:We should try that in Maryland. I don't know where we would do that at, I guess in Western, Maryland, next time it snows. I'm throwing my bottle of vodka out and see,
Speaker 3:That's a good idea when we're, when we're rich and we can just take off and do whatever the hell we want to do.
Speaker 1:And we can waste our vodka right now. We can't, we have to make sure that I can't using every drop appropriately.
Speaker 3:I can't see the two of us roughing it in a cabin. No. So Lake by call is really unique. It's absolutely stunning. And I had never heard of it until I came across the story of the swimmer.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you a question? Do you think there are any cryptids at Lake by call? Um, I mean, I know you're going to be talking about the USO's today, but is there any other folklore I wonder surrounding it?
Speaker 3:It's a good question. I know there's folklore surrounding it. I don't know if there's anything related to cryptids, but that's something I will definitely look into because I think that's a great question. I would love that.
Speaker 1:Like, it would be right for something like that.
Speaker 3:I think I also neglected to mention that the Lake is 6,000 or just about 6,000 feet deep. Well, and to, to, you know, for comparison crater Lake, which is an Oregon, which looks absolutely beautiful too. I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1:Of crater Lake, I've heard of it, but I've
Speaker 3:Never heard of it before. And it's, um, that's the deepest Lake in the U S and so that's about 1900 feet. So you have 1900 feet compared to 6,000 feet deep of Lake my call. So I just wanted to give that little overview of what my call is like. And that's just a very quick and rough sketch of what it's like. Or
Speaker 1:I looked it up and I, people should take a look on the internet because I looked it up and I saw some scenes of it in summer, but also during winter. And you could get a sense of the ice and just what a, what a frozen landscape. It looked like.
Speaker 3:It's absolutely stunning. And since we both liked the snow in my mind, it's even more beautiful and picturesque. Definitely. So now onto the swimmers. And when I came across a story, I was just so intrigued and fascinated by it. Especially since it was something I'd never heard of before, because you hear a lot about UFO's and of course, Roswell and different things, but I had never heard of this incident. And again, these things are loosely sourced, so there's a lot of disinformation out there. You don't really know what is true and what isn't true. And the Siberian times, they also reference this or discuss this incident. And so I'm just going to touch on it. Let's just pretend that, or just entertain that perhaps this could be true, or even partially true. The incident with the USO's I talked about earlier that were then declassified documents. They never gave a date for that. Okay. And so for the swimmers, this occurred in 1982, what happened was, and there's different accounts of this, but Russian Navy divers, they also referred to them as frogmen. They were conducting like this research mission. It was at a depth of about 160 feet. And so that's a deep dive. And when you do a deep dive like that, you have to, when you're coming back up, because the decompression, you have to stop, I think like every 15 feet and off of a hang line, a lot of times, I think it's like the anchor line. I'm not a diver. So I'm just given I given this my best shot. So they have to stop about every 15 feet, especially when they get closer to the surface. So they don't get decompression sickness, which is a buildup of nitrogen in your body. Oh, I didn't know that. So yeah. So say if you take a soda and you shake it up and you just open it up and all this stuff comes, spewing out, that's kind of like what decompression sickness is like. Hmm.
Speaker 1:So your, can your organs explode or something like that? It damages,
Speaker 3:I believe your organs. It can even damage your joints, um, all sorts of things, but it could definitely kill you. So these divers are down there, they're at 160 feet. And when they're down there, they feel like they're being watched and they turn around. At some point they notice like these huge humanoid figures that were like nine to 10 feet tall, and they look like they were wearing some type of helmet and they were wearing these, these very tight silver suits. Okay. I don't know who got this bright idea and I've heard two different takes on this one take is that they go up and they tell their commander like what they saw and what do we do. And the commander's like, get back down there and I want you to catch one of these things. So they go down and try to catch it. Another account is that they just decide on their own that they're going to catch it. And I don't even know how this would work. They decided they were going to catch it with a net.
Speaker 1:That just seems so stupid to me. So you have, what is probably this other worldly being, and you're going to use a net to try to catch it. That just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3:The only thing I can think of, they probably had some type of mechanism or device where I would think that they could shoot it or be some type of projectile that would do that. I can't see them trying to, let's go, you know, put a net over your head
Speaker 1:When the lights are in or something. No, no, it's crazy. You know, when you're talking about this creature, it kind of reminds me of the creature. What does that movie, um, for, for the creature, from the black lagoon, I actually really love that movie, but I always end up feeling some empathy for the creature.
Speaker 3:I haven't, it's been years, but I've seen it too. And I understand what you're talking about. And even, um, in the documentary about Michelle McNamara. Yes. Oh my God, the person who did, who wrote the book on the original night stalker, there's a brief clip in the film talking about when she first met her husband and they talked about their favorite movie and that'd be in there their favorite movie. And this showed a scene from that movie. Yeah. That was really well done. As I was saying before the divers, they decide they're going to, or they're told that they need to capture one of these. And so they try to do it. And they're all like expelled from the water, some civil Wars. Wow.
Speaker 1:So the dive, the divers, the humans,
Speaker 3:Yes. The divers, there's like seven of them. And they're just expelled from the water by some unknown forest. And it happens rapidly. So when that happened rapidly, they suffered from decompression sickness. There were like two decompression chambers and one was broken evidently. And I think the most that you could put in there at a time is supposed to be two people. And they put like four and the other people, the other three people were all on the shore. I wonder how they decided, who, who got the, I don't know, chamber, maybe it was just based on who they thought was the worst off. So the people on the shore did not make it. Wow. And I'm not sure, a hundred percent sure that everybody in the decompression chamber made it. I think that they did, or at least three of them did, but they put far more people in there. Then they were supposed to their reports to that. These divers were too upset to talk about the incident. And some people think that or alleged that the Russian government tried to, or the Russian government threatened them not to talk about it. So I just think that's like the creepiest thing one, the deep ocean scares me. I don't know why, but it always has probably because of, because of sharks and jaws and all that, but it's also
Speaker 1:No, no, I think, you know, we don't know what lurks down there. Um, you can't see when, when you get deep enough, I mean the light doesn't penetrate anymore,
Speaker 3:So it's dark it's. So I just find that frightening. And then also I think the aspect of the story that I find is frightening is that you're down there or you're working or on something or doing whatever it is that they were doing. And they feel like there'd be a wash and they turn around. Yeah. These beans. That's so interesting. And I wonder, you know, I wonder if there's a word for that feeling of being watched.
Speaker 1:'cause you, you hear people talking about that. And I think it's this sensation that most people can kind of understand, but it's very unique. It's very unique sensation. It's hard to do
Speaker 3:It is. And I, I think too, as a woman, you tend to kind of, I think develop that more so than men. It's just like this, just knowing that you're in danger or that as you were saying, you're being watched, or I don't know what you would call that even
Speaker 1:At a cocktail party or you've been sitting in a room and you can feel somebody's eyes on you and you look over and you make eye contact, you know, even that, that doesn't, it's not necessarily a situation of danger, but it's that feeling. You can feel it, you can feel someone else.
Speaker 3:It is. And it's not like you're talking to someone and you're reading microexpressions or you're picking up things that perhaps you don't necessarily always pick up on, or you alerted to something by my, by micro expressions. And this is something completely different in the sense that you just feel like you're being watched and you turn around and staring at you, you're being watched. Yeah. That's really, that is very creepy
Speaker 1:In, you're an invite. You're in an environment that's hostile really that, you know, you can't, I mean, you're not unsure, so you can't take off
Speaker 3:Running. You're stuck. You're stuck down there. Imagine that feeling to say, for example, if, if it's the one account where one of them at least surfaces and talks to their commander and he's like, Oh, you get down there and you catch this thing. Can you imagine that feeling would be like,
Speaker 1:I think that would be the feeling for me of mutiny, absolutely AWOL. I would go AWOL with them.
Speaker 3:I would be like, this is not happening. So that's the story of the swimmers of Lake by call. And I just think even like them calling it the swimmers or something super creepy about that, and evidently the locals, they it's just kind of like taken as fact that there's weird stuff that goes into, or there's weird things that surround Lake by call. I didn't come across anything where anyone else had encountered these beans, but there've been UFO, sightings and alien sightings there for quite some time. That's super fascinating.
Speaker 1:It definitely makes me want to do a little more research and see if I can find, you know, if there are any other stories, any other, um, folklore,
Speaker 3:Anything else? I think that's definitely something that's worth researching and I'm sure there's gotta be all sorts of things. And, and to do another episode on that. Um, definitely. So with li with USO's, it's not just the, the Russian Navy that has had experiences with USO's and in 1966 and around Catalina Island, are you familiar with Catalina Island at all? that off South Carolina? No, it's actually like, it's actually 22 miles Southwest of Los Angeles. Oh, okay. And so there's this channel that's between or they consider it a channel between, um, Catalina Island and Los Angeles. And I can, I can't remember the other port there, but there are two huge ports. Catalina Island is 175 square miles. And there've been numerous reports of UFO's or USO's around that area. In 1966, there is a video of a UFO it's like any UFO video that I've seen before, because it's, to me, it kind of looks like a little blimp. Okay. It looks like it's descending on the Island and it's going, compared to other things that I've watched at a relatively slow pace, but there doesn't appear to be any wings or anything with it or a tail or anything. So of all the UFO videos that I've seen, I think it's quite unique in that aspect.
Speaker 1:Is it kind of lip tickle or cylindrical? Like a, I've heard a blimp
Speaker 3:Described as a disc shape, but when I look at it, I don't necessarily see a disc. Um Hmm. But it's a very, it's Grady footage and it's black and white, but it's unusual compared to other things that I've seen. So there didn't appear to be any tail or visible means of propulsion at all. And there was also another resident of the soul, another UFO about two years later. And he was given the explanation of it being a weather balloon like they did with Roswell. They'd
Speaker 1:Say that about everything. I mean, how many weather
Speaker 3:Balloons are there out there? That's what the witness said too, is that he seemed pretty, I mean, by my standards, I guess, you know me, I can be kind of judgy and, Oh, this person's really wacky. He just seemed kind of a ordinary guy. And he said the same thing too. It's like, I think he's been given different explanations before, but one of them was, I guess the moon is a weather balloon that line that they say that two, two college students had released a weather balloon actually went to
Speaker 1:The local meteorological. I don't know what you would call it. Was it the local airport?
Speaker 3:Um, my brother was a reporter at the time
Speaker 1:And I don't know why we were doing, he was doing some story, but we met the meteorologist and he, um, let us watch him let off the weather balloon, which was a really good.
Speaker 3:Hmm. Yeah, no, you never told me that before.
Speaker 1:I can see why it's not the most riveting story, but, but you know, I got to see one and you know, it didn't look like a URL.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They showed some imagery of what that would look like. And I have no idea what it was, but as I said, it was, it was very different than things that I've watched before. And I'll watch a ton of this. So probably one of the most compelling and most significant disclosures of UFO's or USO's happen when the release, I think about three or four years ago of footage by Navy pilots. And you've probably seen it's called the tic-tac video. I have seen that. Yes. So these pilots, they get in their sights, this thing that they call it looks like a tic-tac and it's just maneuvering at rapid speeds and disappearing and appearing in other places, you know, like, um, I think I heard one of the pilots, describe it as a, like a ping pong or something.
Speaker 1:It kind of almost seems like it's playing with them.
Speaker 3:I think. Yeah, it does. It sounds that way. Or just trying to evade them, who knows? I mean, what the, what the motivation, or I don't even know motivation what the, what the purpose is.
Speaker 1:They were trying to retrieve their pants off the top of a long John silver. That's what was happening. And I'm like, I think I see how long John Silver's there. Isn't over there. No, no, that's a McDonald's and I can completely relate to that.
Speaker 3:They have my respect. So this occurred, it's called the U S S S Nimitz aircraft, like incident, or they call it the Nimitz incident in 2004. This was about 60 to a hundred miles off the coast of San Diego. And so the pilots, what they were doing, it was just an exercise. And I think they were doing it in conjunction with the Marines, which I didn't know the Marines had pilots or had Navy Amy, Amy, or had jets.
Speaker 1:I didn't tell you this, but Amy McGrath flew a plane and the Marines done. So, Oh my God, here we go. With Amy or grouse. I bet people, do you want to tell people who Amy McGrath, Amy McGrath is? She was running for Senate against Mitch McConnell. She's from Kentucky, but she is a Marine. Um, she's do you never say four? I don't think you say former Marine. She's not currently in the service Marine. You're always a Marine. She's always Marine, but, um, yeah. She's she was a pilot and she still flies. I think she
Speaker 3:Flew herself around for the campaign. So, and I sent her a fair bit of money during the campaign, but yeah,
Speaker 1:You're getting carried away now worried about, you know, at some point she she's going to beat him or he's going to
Speaker 3:Die. So anyway, carry on. I think he's going to die first. He is turning
Speaker 1:Purple. This is her being able to be now. It's
Speaker 3:Not a good sign. He's disgusting. And he makes me absolutely sick. I digress. He's disgusting. Anyway. So in 2004, there was 60 to a hundred miles off the coast of San Diego. Navy pilots were basically doing an exercise with the Marines. So now it's good to know that the Marines actually have fighter jets. I don't think they were armed at all. So I think
Speaker 1:That made it even more kind of alarming to them.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And the way that they were conducting this exercise, and maybe this is too much detail, but like two people will be the good guys and two people will be the bad guys. And so you're just trying to intercept each other. And I guess, I don't know what else is involved do like military. I have no idea. And it's not helping that this drink is going to my head. I've already finished minded.
Speaker 1:It's long gone. I mean, long since gone to my head. Well,
Speaker 3:My second split, so, well, I was on my second split 45 minutes ago. Well, you're drinking it slowly, so that's good. So the commander, one of the people that, you know, was one of the pilots, he said that it was like a perfectly clear day and that when they were flying out there, they saw something. I think initially, and I thought this was really interesting too, the way he talked about it, because they're constantly kind of doing this reality testing that they see something they're like, Oh, okay, well, this could be about trying to bring drugs into the country. And then they get closer and they see this turbulence on the water and they think, okay, well that is a rock formation that waves are crashing against. So there, you know, internally they're coming up with all these reasons or for why this is happening while there's turbulence. And then they see that there was like, this tic-tac shape, that's hovering above the water. And at some point in time, he just takes off. As I said, I think one of the, I think the commander, he described it as like a ping pong wall. They were just like, what is this? This thing's all over the place. The other pilot was a woman. I don't think she wants to be identified as who she is, but she had commented that, you know, how do, how do you fight something like this? You know, how do you fight it probably can't even get your sights on it because it's so fast. So I think, um, the commander David Fravor, he's been more willing to be interviewed or to talk about this incident in interview with the Washington post. He had said that quote, like, um, he said the object was not from this earth. That's so scary. And the title of the article is, um, his former Navy pilot describes UFO encounter and secret Pentagon program. And it's by Eli Rosenberg, I think it's Eli Rosenberg. And what Fravor disclosed, what he said was that, and I don't think it was, it was in this article, but he was also interviewed by Joe Rogan who has probably the number one podcast in the country, or maybe even the world he was interviewed by him. And what he said was that evidently there have been sightings of these things two weeks before his encounter and he was unaware of it. And he said, the reason why he was unaware of it or Alisa, he was told this later is because they didn't actually have any pilots or anything out there that were engaging with it or encountering it directly. It was just, I guess, based on their radar and watch what they were watching this incident, the Nimitz incident was first reported by the, the New York times. And it was written by Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kean. And I think you've heard me talk about her before. You probably don't remember her name, Jen, but she wrote this credible book and it's called UFO's generals, pilots, and government officials go on the record. Oh no, I haven't had a book. That sounds fascinating. It was published in 2010. So evidently she was even researching this phenomenon 10 years before. And her name is Leslie Kean, Leslie Kean, K E a N. And I have a book and I've read some of the accounts and it's a really interesting book, but it has very credible sources. It doesn't seem like she takes like a role. Well, I want to say, like, I think she takes a line of something's happening. We don't know what it is, but something's happening. And we don't know what these things are and that it could be a danger to not only national security, but also just aviation in general. Wow. Yeah. She's also written a book I believe on, on life after death. And you know, she's taking like an objective viewpoint on this. I haven't read that either. I haven't even gotten through all this book, but I actually, when I was on a zoom meeting, this is terrible, but I covered it up on my bookshelf. Let everybody see my UFO encrypted and all this craziest on. That's too funny. But I understand. I think if it's like, I think if it's just like a random book here and there, but when your whole bookshelf price
Speaker 1:And you've got your Yeti, you've got your Yeti, they wouldn't know what that was though. And if they did know what it was and they shouldn't be judging you because they have one too,
Speaker 3:Ask you to, to check on me, Jen, do a welfare check or something
Speaker 1:Probably would, Oh my God, I'd have to do
Speaker 3:A report. So I'm interested in one completing this book and then two looking into what she's written about, you know, whether or not there's life after death, very interested in that. She seems like a very objective, um, intelligent, you know, even handed person like she, yeah. I mean, when I read things or see things where someone is saying that, you know, I saw this and it's coming back in time to warn us about, I just kind of tune out sometimes because it's like, how can you be so certain about those things?
Speaker 1:Right. And she seems like she's a, you know, she's a true journalist and she's just launching inquiry and she's talking to people and keeping an open mind, which I really, which I really appreciate. I'm looking up a couple of her books. Um, it sounds very interesting. I might get the life after death. One.
Speaker 3:That sounds super interesting since I have this
Speaker 1:One. Yeah. Then we can exchange. I also want to just make it
Speaker 3:A few references to I'm a huge coast to coast fan or I was, when I was younger, I used to listen to it and be really enthralled by the stories that were being told. I've just always liked. Is that the one where the art bell? Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1:But my dad, he passed. Yeah. I know he passed. My dad was really, really into that and I don't think I ever listened to it, but he would take his radio to bed and listen. So that really is,
Speaker 3:That strikes a chord with me. I used to listen to it at night and just get like chills up my spine with some of the things that are saying no again, I think they have some wacky people on there, but I think they have credible people too. And it's just really interesting. Listen. And so in order to access that, now you have to pay like a monthly fee and I've been paying that for quite some time. I don't go on there a lot, like I should, but you know, I do listen and I just find it really interesting and you can go back, but I think they have like a, a vault audio vault that just art bell. Oh cool. And so sometimes they go back in that, cause I just want to see how some of these stories and, um, things are assertions have age. Well, if they've aged well
Speaker 1:Now does, does coast to coast, is that mainly cover extra terrestrial, UFO, USO type stuff.
Speaker 3:They cover all sorts of things like paranormal to, you know, UFO's to, um, to high strangeness, to psychic ability. It sounds so for all sorts of things with coast to coast, they, I went back and I looked and I tried to find anything on like USO's UFO's especially anything that centered around Russia. And I came across a show that was from 2016. It was about three hours. I think initially like the first hour was, was an interview with George Carlin's daughter for the first hour. So the interview was like with Paul Stonehill and Richard Dolan and they were discussing Russian USO incidents. And again, that was like in 2016. So if anyone ever wants to go back and, and read about that, that they can. And Paul is actually a, uh, immigrant from Russia really. And they have a book out, I think a stone Hills probably had a number of books out, maybe even Richard Dolan too. And I haven't, I haven't ordered those or read those or anything, but I just thought I would just put that out there. If someone wants to listen, or if people want to listen to coast to coast, it was an interview from May 15th, 2016 and it discusses some of these things. So that is the story of the swimmers of Lake by call and USO's. Well,
Speaker 1:That was so interesting to me. I feel like I learned a lot and there's so much more I want to find out. So, um, I might, I might actually sign up for coast to coast. Is it, is it expensive?
Speaker 3:I think it's only like six or$7 a month, but for the purpose of just curiosity and then also for the podcast, I think, um, you know, it's money well spent. I know that I find it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It sounds like the F I like something I like to go to bed sometimes. And that's usually when I listen to my podcasts, um, I mean, it is a little, you don't want to get too creeped out, but there's something about just pulling the covers up and nestling down with the cats and listening to something kind of scary
Speaker 3:For me years ago when I was young or much younger, it just kind of lets your imagination slowly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But you're not bounded by, you know, well, such and such is not possible. It's very speculative, I guess that's the word for it. And it makes me think more about my dad and, you know, my dad was, he was a character like he really did. He did love that stuff. He, he had a very speculative mind, so I'm not, I'm not at all surprised that he liked that show. I wish
Speaker 3:I could talk to him about it. My dad too. I don't know if he listened to the show. He never mentioned listening to the show, but my father was very suspicious of the government and things like that. And I think that, I think one of the things that I have so many things to, um, that I find extremely objectionable, the way that conspiracy theories have been thrown out there and used as disinformation and you know, things to, to, to create infighting within the United States. And I just find it very sad. And I also find it, I think, you know, conspiracy theories, if you attach that label conspiracy theories, it doesn't mean that something isn't true. There have been conspiracy theories or conspiracies that have been proven, like MK ultra, things like that. So I think it really denigrates a healthy questioning of our government
Speaker 1:That makes so much sense. It seems like part of what you're saying is that it's the way it's politicized or used for political ammunition somehow is, is where it fails.
Speaker 3:And thank you, my friend, because as you can see, I've had too much to drink.
Speaker 1:No, exactly. I was trying to say sometimes I, I like to check what people are saying by trying to say it back on my own words. I think that's part of, part of my work as a therapist. So like I just do that because sometimes I'm not sure if I'm getting something, so I'm glad that I got it because just wanted to be sure. Well,
Speaker 3:I kind of semi explained it.
Speaker 1:I know we've talked about conspiracy theories before, but I don't think I, you ever formulated it in that way. So that really helps me understand a little better, like where you're coming from and what you mean by that. And I think that I so agree with you about, you know, whether something is true. I mean, I'm a great reader of fiction, you know, and for the first six years of school, you know, after high school, like I studied literature and that's literature is a place where anything can be true and in a whole range of possibilities, you know, limitless range of possibilities. And I think that's one of the reasons why I love it. And, and I th I don't, I don't really know what I'm trying to say, except that I'm all for speculation and for, um, searching out what's true, but entertaining multiple truths and multiple things can be true at different times, if that makes any sense at all. Yeah. And just open to possibilities. And as I was saying before, or at least I think I was saying is that it's healthy to question a refinement because government does shady ESHA. They do that. And I think sometimes you wonder like, okay, are they protecting us for certain, from certain things? Like, if you think about, you know, extra terrestrial stuff, I mean, are they trying to preclude a panic? I've seen Obama interviewed and he talks about how, you know, I think Clinton too. And they said, did you ask to see files? And he's like, Oh, of course I did. But you know, there's some stuff they won't even show presidents. So it is very, very interesting. It's funny that you say that because the person who did the forward to the Keene book is John Podesta. Oh. And, um, I can't remember what his official title is. I don't know if he had been chief of staff at the time. I can't remember. I don't know if it was necessarily that, but he did the forward and he's always been interested in UFO's and advocate of disclosure. And here you read to right here, I read that's exactly what I was going to say. Yes, Harry Reed is, well, maybe we can get here. He read it. And John Podesta and, um, yeah, we can shoot for that about that. Well, I've really enjoyed this conversation because as I said, I just think imagination and open being open to possibilities. It just, it makes my mind sore. And I've really liked that. Yeah. I mean my mind cancer. Oh my gosh. Well, I think one of the reasons, I don't know, this sounds weird. Like one of the reasons why we're friends is like, because I appreciate, I appreciate that about you. Like, you are a person who loves to, who loves to entertain possibility and you're like endlessly curious, and those are my favorite kind of people. You know, those are the people I feel most comfortable with because it's just, it's just fun. And if we're not here to think and to wonder about things and what are we here for Q I, I just love discussing POS discussing possibilities. So absolutely. What does that Emily Dickinson there's that line? I dwell in possibility, a fairer house than prose. So we'll end on. We'll end on Emily. Well then if we're going to end,
Speaker 3:Then Emily that's do a toast to Emily,
Speaker 1:But I have nothing left, but neither do you. I can see your class.
Speaker 3:No, I have about a quarter of an edge of, so I'm going to do a I'm here.
Speaker 1:See if I get anything here and to Emily, Emily,
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