Missing the Point

Super Bowl Shuffle (And Re-Shuffle)

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A trivia brawl to start, a chess match to finish. We kick off with a fast, penalty-happy Super Bowl quiz that forces us to relive the moments that define February football—record throws in losses, special-teams heroics, blackout delays, and the painful beauty of split-second decisions. After crowning a champion, we pivot hard into a grounded preview of Patriots vs Seahawks, and the conversation quickly narrows to where big games are actually won: ball security, field position, and which quarterback blinks first when the pocket turns claustrophobic.

We dig into Drake May’s evolution—how he can win ugly with his legs, then flip a game with one fearless deep shot—and where his risk profile still lives, especially with blindside pressure and late holds. On the other side, we map the exact path for Sam Darnold to finish a redemption arc: early rhythm throws, trust in JSN’s detail, and a commitment to take the profitable gains rather than chase hero-ball. Seattle’s top scoring defense is built to punish loose football, while New England’s defense disguises well enough to bait a rushed read and steal a drive. It’s less about fireworks and more about who survives third downs, protects the pocket edge, and makes the smarter fourth-quarter choice.

We also wrestle with Tom Brady’s public neutrality. Is it brand strategy, competitive ego, or simply a clean break from the past? The debate opens a bigger question about what cements a legend: is it titles alone, or the sense that a city knows you? We land in a nuanced place—Ortiz as heartbeat, Bird as cultural backbone, Brady as the ultimate executor—and admit that the banners speak louder than any quote.

Predictions are tight and respectful, reflecting a game that feels like a grind rather than a coronation. If you love tactical football, this one’s for you. Listen, then tell us your winning path: who controls turnovers and who hits the one deep shot that flips the script? Subscribe, share with a football friend, and drop your score pick in the comments.

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SPEAKER_02:

It's missing the point. It's Super Bowl week. So guess what? We're doing Super Bowl trivia. Strap in fuckers. It's me, DK Sizzle. I'm here with Mike Marcangelo, Ray Sean Buchanan, Robert Kelly. We're still here. We're still doing it. We haven't converted to AI yet. AI wouldn't be able to do what we do, guys. I made a trivia show. Here are the rules. Lock in. I'm going to read a question. Anyone interrupts my question, minus 10 points. When I get to the end of the question, first want to say the answer, plus 10 points. If you get the answer wrong, get one guess. If you get the answer wrong, someone gets a chance to steal for five points. Pretty straightforward. I got progressively harder questions, I want to say. I think. I hope. Ray's probably gonna win. Spoiler alert. And you guys are getting ready to get going. Let's see how it works. I'm ready. Then after that, after we complete the game and we declare a winner, we're gonna talk about the Super Bowl. Okay, ready? Question one. Which team won the only Super Bowl played in January that ended in overtime before the modern OT rules?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna go with Green Bay.

SPEAKER_02:

Incorrect, Ray. Anyone want to steal? The Raiders. Incorrect, Mike. Anyone want to steal?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, there wasn't one.

SPEAKER_02:

It would be a cunty move like that. Unfortunately, guys, it was the New York Giants.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, okay. Is it either them or Denver?

SPEAKER_02:

Or Green Bay? Who was the MVP of the first two Super Bowls ever played? Star. Bobby got it. Plus 10 points. We just said the last time it's fine. I said part star. Sure. And here we and here we go. It's recorded. It's recorded.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Question three. Which franchise appeared in four Super Bowls before finally winning its first title in the 1999 season? The Denver Brock. Yeah, Denver Brock. Bobby is slaying right now. What stadium was the first to host three different Super Bowls?

SPEAKER_03:

Rose Bowl. Any steals? Superdog.

SPEAKER_02:

Correct.

SPEAKER_01:

Bobby, you're fucking flying right now.

SPEAKER_02:

Which head coach lost four Super Bowls the most all time? Mark Levy.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, Mark Levy. No? Anyone want to steal Ray or or Bobby want to steal?

SPEAKER_03:

Hang strong? Nope, Bobby.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, no, I don't have it.

SPEAKER_02:

Bud Grant. Bud Grant is the East. We're getting into the records section. Oh boy. For the stats freaks, so might be we might be able to catch up here. Which quarterback threw for over 500 yards in a losing Super Bowl? Top ready. Yeah. Figured you guys might get that one. I guess eagles. Who holds the record for the longest touchdown reception in Super Bowl history with 85 yards?

SPEAKER_00:

Jerry Rice.

SPEAKER_02:

Incorrect.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I should actually.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't want to get Ryan on it. Nobody does. Was it the cheat? Was it a cheat? Don't be a pussy.

SPEAKER_02:

Alvin Hopper? Incorrect. Mike, come on. Get it. Oh, I don't. I don't know it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I think it's Larry Fajaro.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, but you already guessed, and it's not. It's Moussa Mohammed. One of my favorites. I guess the pages.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll give somebody five points if they can tell me the QB that threw him the ball. Just a long one. Oh, very good, Mike. Five points for you. Which team scored the fastest points in Super Bowl history? A safety just 12 seconds in. The Giants. Very good. Bobby. Fuck.

SPEAKER_04:

It was when they snapped it over uh Peyton's house.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right. Name the only Super Bowl MVP who played primarily on special teams.

SPEAKER_00:

Desmond Howard.

SPEAKER_02:

Very good, Ray. On the board. Which team has lost the most Super Bowls without ever winning one? The Bills.

SPEAKER_07:

The Vikings.

SPEAKER_02:

Correct, Mike. Oh, damn. Correct. Because you know, I mean, not in a row, but they have lost the most times. Okay, round three. Steals are off the board. First guess is locked. You guys ready? Rotation only. Which player returned an interception? 100 yards for a touchdown to end the first. No, no.

SPEAKER_04:

You said it was minus 10 points. That's right. That's right. God damn it.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right. Minus 10 points for Bobby, and that was the correct answer. That question is dead. Which Super Bowl featured the first two-point convert? Oh, should I take 10 more fucking points? The kid can't help himself. 10 more points off the board for Bobby. Jesus Christ. Sorry, I just have to make an example. Ray gets it. He's a teacher. Where even was I? You've thrown everything off. This is why I made the minus 10 points rule. It's actually, you can afford it. It's fine. Which Super Bowl featured the first ever two-point conversion in the game's history? I'll take the teams, the Super Bowl number.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna go with the Steelers.

SPEAKER_07:

The Bucs Raiders?

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, no. That game was out of hand, so I don't I don't think that game was over so they got off the bus.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll give you a hint. Bobby's the only one that can guess. Sick. You'll give Bobby a hint. It was the only Super Bowl to ever featured two teams in the same state. Right. Well, you shouldn't have fucking blown your fucking wad so quick, Mike. I don't know what to tell you. Sucks.

SPEAKER_05:

Bobby, just say the fucking thing. Come on. Wait, what's I don't know. Alright.

SPEAKER_01:

49ers chargers. 49ers chargers. 49ers chargers.

SPEAKER_02:

It was a 1985 Super Bowl Super Bowl 29. I guess that was a bad question. Alright. Sorry about that. Who caught the game winning touchdown pass? Nickname the Philly special. Nichols. See, that was more of a speed one. I knew everybody was gonna know that one. That's why I kind of paused for a second. Which team's kicker holds the record for the longest field goal in Super Bowl history? And then five extra points if you can name the kicker. Ten points for the team.

SPEAKER_07:

Jason Ealand, Denver Broncos.

SPEAKER_02:

No. But good guess. It's a tough one. We're coming towards the end. They're gonna be toughies.

SPEAKER_00:

So you almost on.

SPEAKER_02:

Which team's kicker holds the record for the longest field goal in Super Bowl history? 57 yards.

SPEAKER_00:

Is it the Eagles? Guess it's Elam.

SPEAKER_02:

No, Mike already guessed Elam, so you blew it down.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because I'm getting messaged. I didn't even hear it, sorry.

SPEAKER_02:

Nobody got it. Buffalo Bills, Steve Christie.

SPEAKER_00:

And then he missed it. I didn't even know he was on the team, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

All right. Last question. Now, I know you're all gonna remember this, so I am gonna need the number of the Super Bowl. Which Super Bowl was delayed 34 minutes because of a power outage?

SPEAKER_00:

A Super Bowl 47, Baltimore versus San Francisco.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, well done, Ray. Wow, to stay in the game because it's sudden death knowledge. I have a question for each of you. I'm gonna ask each person a specific question. It's 25-point swing on this one. You get 25 points if you get it right. Everybody ready? Bobby, I'm gonna go with you first. Which franchise has the longest active drought without a Super Bowl appearance? Incorrect. I will give a 10-point steal. Different lines. Incorrect. Which franchise has the longest active drought without a Super Bowl appearance?

SPEAKER_00:

Which team has the longest Super Bowl drought without appearance is key here.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, apparently. I need an answer.

SPEAKER_02:

Say a team. Yeah, I'm saying a team you think sucks. Houston. The New York Jets is the answer.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Nobody got Bobby didn't get that, nobody stole. Ray, which player has the most career Super Bowl touchdown receptions?

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like it's not obvious, but I'm I'm gonna say Adam.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. And you said him earlier, it's Jerry Rice.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, yeah. I felt like it was a trick question.

SPEAKER_02:

No steal? No fucking steal. No steal on that one. It was too easy. Yeah. Name both quarterbacks in the first. This is for Mike. Name both quarterbacks in the first Super Bowl to feature two brothers as opposing head coaches.

SPEAKER_07:

Colin Kaepernick and Joe Facco.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, well done, Mike. Alright, let me do some tallying here. Talk amongst yourselves about how you think the game went. Ray, you got 20 points. Bobby, you got 15 points because of those two minuses. You just had to be a dick. Mike, I think you won. 10, 20, 30, 5, 50 foot. Mike, you got 60 points. Congratulations on your win. Thank you. Total loss of trivia game of all time. I thought you guys did really well, to be honest. That was great. There you go. It's the Super Bowl. It's Super Bowl week. And fuck, guys, your team's in the Super Bowl again. I mean, we could have probably just played a rerun of one of the old Sunday night sports rap shows from back in the day, talking about how the Patriots are in the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, we were just the four of us were never on it when they were in it.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that true?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, because they went in 07. You weren't there yet, TK. And then they didn't go again until 2011. And that was gone. I think we're all gone. Besides besides.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. So we we got together for our radio show in the one window. The one fucking window. And actually, if you think about it, we might have been bad luck because they weren't there for the entire run of this podcast either until now. So whenever we're all together, not good for the pants. If you want to jinx it. I want to talk a little bit about that game because we didn't get a chance to jump on the show last week. We kind of took a bye. I think that's fair. We'd film a lot of content over the last few months in the football season. I don't know what you guys make of it, but Mike, I'll start with you on this one. I thought both teams looked like shit, and I don't really think the weather is gonna be a major excuse. I'm gonna let be a through line of this entire thing because it it wasn't a white Christmas until pretty deep into the game, and it was 10-7 for the entire fucking run. It was a terrible AFC championship game. I'm not saying that means that that whoever came out of it was gonna automatically lose to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. In fact, I pretty sure the Patriots are gonna win, to be honest with you. But what did you make of that? Did it make you nervous? Drake obviously setting a bunch of and you know, obviously the caveat of of the winter solstice being upon us. But Drake obviously setting a bunch of records for like the only guy to have that few yards and touchdowns and stuff in general, and and actually win an AFC championship game or a championship game at either conference, I think. Does that give you pauses? Does it make you worried? I I don't personally think it jumps out as like, oh, he's not a big game guy because he had to get there in the first place. I think the you're you add an easy run to the Super Bowl crowd are loud right now because of obviously an easy strength to schedule, a lot of good luck in the quarterback position across from you in the championship game, the weather, et cetera, et cetera. How are you feeling? How are you feeling going in? Did that game mess with you at all?

SPEAKER_07:

I really appreciate you asking. So, no, the game did not mess with me at all. Uh, but for those people like the easy schedule crowd, listen, the Patriots are the only team in NFL history to go through three top five defenses on the way to the Super Bowl, and they did it. And listen, that AFC title game, yeah, it was not fun to watch, but a lesser quarterback would have not won that game with his legs, like Drake did. I mean, Drake's 68 yards rushing. He made the play they needed to, and the one time that called his own number two, right? And they needed they they needed a deep ball once.

SPEAKER_02:

I like okay, just put it out there. I I don't know, I wasn't there, but wouldn't you be like, say you called your own number? Like, wouldn't you say like it just for the narrative, like it works?

SPEAKER_07:

Like it just he did, but he didn't say that, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

But like for the narrative, it really helps. And then they asked him about it, and he was like, Yeah, I don't know. I just saw the defense going that way. So, you know, so it's like, I don't know, it helps with the myth. And I'm all about myth building, I'm not, I don't think it's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_07:

It it was a lineman that said that Drake called his own number. But listen, he needed to make one deep pass that game, and that flea flicker to Matt Collins was the one to do it. So, yeah, you beat Jared Sinn. That's not like that's not great. You should you should have done that. But when all hell broke loose, I think smart coaching prevailed. I don't I you know I think Sean Payton is so full of himself and his ultimate.

SPEAKER_02:

I really lose I enjoyed Sean Payton losing. I liked his smoke fucking face getting getting turned upside down. That was nice.

SPEAKER_07:

Like he costs in that game. So no, I don't I feel good going into this game because what I've learned through this playoff front and even through the season is that this team can win in a variety of ways. And they don't need Gillette Stadium to win, they actually prefer to win elsewhere. So I'm looking forward to it. I feel really good about our chances.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't want to feel simplifying. Sorry, go ahead, Bob.

SPEAKER_04:

I feel like that's always a really good sign of a team that's so battle-tested and ready for anyone, is if they can go on the road and win in those tough environments. And I feel like the Pats have shown that literally the entire year. Like every time a cowboy team is making a run, the thing I always look for is if they're winning on the road or not. I feel like that's such a good, uh, a good, you know what I mean, uh a staple to show exactly if that team is good and battle-tested or not. I love it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, right. I mean, when you sat down to watch this team every week, and we all uh we all it's very well documented how hard you are in your teams and like how how you think very from a position of you gotta go show it, you gotta go earn it. I've been watching my teams win in Title Town my whole life. There's a standard, we've set the standard. That's definitely your MO, right? I'm not wrong about that. And my Mike's laughing at me. I don't think I'm wrong about that. I think I think you set a pretty high standard for your teams. Do you think going into this game that A, you're I don't know how I frame this question. Last week I was very complimentary after the Bears lost. I was very complimentary of Drake May when I said this was before the Seahawks had played the Rams. I was like, if people out there want the Patriots to not win the Super Bowl, they really better hope the Rams win. Because I don't see Sam Darnold going in there and beating Drake May. I see Sam Darnold going in there and getting fucking dog walked by Drake May. That's what I that on a quarterback to quarterback, I know they don't play each other, blah, blah, blah. But this is the conversation we're always sort of having, right? You, I think, are on the record that you got your guy, you got your coach. I don't know if your expectations were this high for this season. I don't know how they could have been, to be honest. I think we, you know, we all had our expectations surpassed except for Bob. Sorry, Bob. And I guess what I'm wondering now, Ray, is are you sitting here happy with the season no matter what? Or if they fucking lose, are are you gonna be Ray level furious?

SPEAKER_00:

So I I think that I think maybe I probably would have felt a little different had the season ended after like the Houston game, right? You say, okay, team overachieved. They just ran to a buzz aware, defense, seizure shot, I mean in the plays, whatever whatever the narrative would have been, right? Uh and yeah, we would have been disappointed in the days you know after. But it just it wouldn't have it wouldn't have been, I don't think it would have been as bad or felt as bad, obviously, when you get to the championship game uh and potentially not win it, right? And no, of course, there's not a Patriot fan living that thought they would go 14 and 3. Like if they say otherwise they're they're they're lying. Now, I remember we did our prediction show. Um I think uh I conceded to I think because uh the records were gonna go, I conceded to Bobby saying that the I think the Jets would be second in division. Now, granted, he didn't say they don't have a great record, it would just be they would just be second in division. Uh I saw a path where no women can win nine games, and I said that. And you know, Mike gave me his famous line, you don't believe that. I'm like, I do. I I think they can win nine games. And they blew it out the water, obviously.

SPEAKER_02:

Prediction show official lock was seven and ten for the record.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, that's what right, that's what that's what that's what I'm saying. So they you know blew that out the water, right? So I think that in this game, the only way I could walk away uh not feeling super low if they lose is something that we've always said on the show. It's not if you lose the game, it's how you lose. Uh and it's it's like you can't you can't lose like how Denver lost to Seattle in 2013. Can't happen. That can't happen. If it's a if it's a tug and pull back or forth, like how Super Bowl 49 was, and they're on the winning end, it's like, all right, yeah, he was there, okay. Hopefully you get back, right? Because you don't want to be a damn areno where you get there your second year and then you're never back there again, right? Well, at least in the Super Bowl. Um, he made the playoffs many times, but just never got to back to the Super Bowl. So yeah, I'm I'm only gonna be my level of uh furious if they get blown out. Other than that, like I said, I I would still be mad, but it wouldn't be the same if it's a closer game.

SPEAKER_04:

Would you have been mad? Would you have been mad if they had lost the championship game the way they played?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we but it that that legit happened. Like we call that literally to a T. What happened? Like we I didn't know about the uh the weather conditions. I should have known, obviously, being in Colorado.

SPEAKER_02:

It got pretty it got out of hand pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_00:

It got out of hand pretty quickly, but it's just like you know, listen, Stedham was rolling early, like he was he was rolling early.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh yeah, okay. He made one good pass and he made a couple good plays like down the stretch. He's the stiffest athlete I've ever seen play professional. Like, I'm pretty sure I could sack him. I'm like 99% sure I could get to him.

SPEAKER_00:

So for what he f like for not playing for almost two years and do that on the second drive, and that moment for that drive that's like what always happens, though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02:

Like when there's no tape up.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, but it was it was it was it was predictable that the scripted plays were gonna look good because they knew what he can do well or at least good enough to you know to score. And you know, obviously Cronus Sun has been a big you know part of their offense, and you know, RJ Harvey and Mim, so on and so forth. So, you know, they had some guys that could play, but once the conditions got worse and worse, I think they just said, hey, they cannot and will not score on us. We just have to make one or two more plays more than them, and they did. So, like Mike alluded to the play to Hollands was beautiful. Obviously, Gonzo having a Gilmore type uh interception was was awesome. It was a terrible throw, but it was a sick. Oh, it's yeah, definitely terrible throw. But I mean, he he had he they had to make that type of play, but like Mike, yeah. That game that game was lost when it went on a fourth and one and it got shut down. You always take the points. Always. Especially in that type of game, you were you would you now became the underdog because I mean you almost take the points, but they missed the kick. Right, but that was after though.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. I know, but it's just like you know, it's just like it like in actions like that.

SPEAKER_00:

10 00 honestly, or as we saw, it won't the game was 10 7. Yeah. 10 nothing might have been curtains at that moment.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. It just might have been not because honestly, I thought I really thought, and I'm it was obviously too early to tell. I wouldn't put my, you know, I wouldn't put money on this, but I thought with that lawn bomb, that stinnem lawn bomb, I was like, oh shit, they might be fucked. Like I didn't want to wig you guys out, but I was like, it just had the narrative makings of a game that's like, you know, everything goes wrong. You can't like I I was really worried for you guys that we were gonna end up thinking, like, I wonder if Bo Nicks was in there, would you have won the game? Like I would, you know what I mean? Like, because it was this backups QB situation that just always ends up fucking you, like they they always get one bounce, right? And if the NFC championship game is the game where he gets like the bounce where Bobby's like, this guy might be good, and then it turns out he actually sucks. Like that, I didn't want that for you guys, you know. But it didn't turn out to be the case. I think the weather really helped you in the end. I think the weather broke the Patriots way. I don't think that's like a that's a crazy thing to say. I mean, I God's obviously been a Patriots fan for as long as we've been alive, so there you go. Active God in the in the stadium, right, right in everybody's face. At the end of the day, we're coming into a game where your guy, your legend, your most important player ever, that's never going to be topped, apparently doesn't have a horse in this race. I personally think that's because he's a Chicago Bears fan now, because he loves Caleb Williams and he looks at Caleb Williams like he's his he's his own child. What do you think the motivation of that is? Why is Tom Brady saying things like this?

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Mike?

SPEAKER_07:

I think it's because he's yeah, he's a part owner of another NFL team, he's a broadcaster, but also I just doesn't hear a little bit.

SPEAKER_02:

There's a fucking statue of him when you walk into the street.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I think it's I think it's pretty fucking ridiculous that a guy that just had a statue built of him in front of a stadium now says he doesn't have any players, you know, I doesn't have a horse left in this race when there's so much carryover from the organization that were that are still here from when he was here. Frabel was on three Super Bowl teams with him. Like, how how are you not rooting for that guy?

SPEAKER_02:

But do you think it's just he wants to be the only winner? He wants to be he wants he wants he wants to be the goat in Pinker's history. I I it's gonna take a long time for Drake May to catch him. Like no matter what happens on Sunday, he doesn't have that much to worry about.

SPEAKER_04:

But yeah, no, I agree. He he he definitely wants to be he wants to be the guy I know everybody. I mean, well, he will be forever.

SPEAKER_07:

I heard this I heard I heard this earlier. He's a lot like Larry Bird was here. Like Larry Bird did not do anything in the community, he he did not come back after he left and retired. And Celtics fans still revere him as like one of the you know, one of, if not the greatest Celtic of all time because of what he did on the court. I think that's what Brady is. Like he, yep. The only thing the his lasting impression on New England, aside from like off the field, is TB12, and that fucking failed. So like he's out.

SPEAKER_04:

Do you think you know you're the goat? Well, you know you're the goat when you're too good to be considered the goat in one city. Well, like that's not enough. You gotta you can't rust on that.

SPEAKER_02:

But do you think that's what it is, though? Do you think that like he was always in, and I don't mean this disparagingly, honestly, because I had a lot of good things to say about him this year. Like, I think his commentary's improved tenfold. It's like it's obvious that he's just refuses to be bad at stuff, which I really respect. He was on the call for like all my favorite Bears moments this season, or most of them. And like I said, he loves Caleb Williams. So I'm not saying this disparagingly. I just wonder if you've accomplished what you've accomplished, Ray. If you've accomplished what you've accomplished and you're Tom Brady, does it sort of start to transcend the team you were on? Because like that really was like the house that Tom built for a long time, and especially with how it kind of ended with Bill and the amount of credit and everything he gets, and how his name is gonna get brought up in every quarterback conversation from for the foreseeable future, every Patriots winning conversation for the foreseeable future when the Patriots are good, when the Patriots are bad, when you're walking past the big fucking bronze statue into the stadium, Tom Brady's name is gonna be on everybody's lips forever. So, I mean, there's a there's a chance it's he feels like he transdescends the city not necessarily in a bad way, or is it that he doesn't want to cast a shadow maybe over this game?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it it could be a mix of everything that you just mentioned. I want to state, and clearly for the record, that I think is weak that he hasn't picked the side. I I don't I don't care that you're a minority or the Rainer Raiders, you you own them during your career.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and also don't worry about the Raiders, they're not gonna be in a super you're not gonna have to pick them in a Super Bowl conversation anytime. Oh no, right.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you're I'm like, it's like it doesn't matter, like unless uh you know John Madden is popping back up saying, you know, boom, like that that's that's not that's not happening. Um yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. So I'm just like that that that's a joke. Uh but yeah, I I do think there's something, you know, the competitive person in him is just like, well, you know, I'm the guy. Now to me, I mean, I know Mike just said bird. To me, the the only guy I could see, even though he didn't win as much. I think people love Ortiz a little bit more here than the demon tom. Even when he was here, like Mike just alluded to, like, you never felt close to him. You felt close to his whole time here. Whole time here.

SPEAKER_02:

It's like the Leonardo, he had the Leonardo DiCaprio effect. You know, you don't know anything about him. He's just he just comes, he does his business, and then he goes right, right.

SPEAKER_00:

But I mean, this is not the gangster new York, though. This is this is Foxboro, and we we want to be what a reference.

SPEAKER_02:

That's like Leo's worst movie.

SPEAKER_00:

It is, but I'm I just yeah, I just that's one of the good line. That's a good line. Yeah, you know, it's a good good good pull there. Probably one of his first ones, too, right?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh, I admit that Gilbert Gilbert Grape is probably the one of the first, like, been great.

SPEAKER_02:

Gilbert Grape, and then like Titanic when he's like a little older, which actually is fucking terrible. If you watch Titanic, like nobody in that movie acts well, and they're all good actors.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, we're sorry, you were making a point. Well no, I mean you get a little bit of everything here. You get movie, you get uh you know, a little movie criticism, all that. But anyways, yeah, I just like say I would argue that Ortiz is the most beloved guy here.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, he's a he's a more lovable character, but nobody would trade what he brought to the city with for what Tom brought to the city.

SPEAKER_04:

No one's ever dropped the line like this is our fucking city, though, and like any other you know what I mean? Like that that'll just make him go down your history no matter what.

SPEAKER_07:

He's not but Ortiz loved the city outside of playing a Fenway. He loved he loved everything about it. Brady just wanted to be here and win, and that's fine. That's fine, just like Larry. Like, he didn't.

SPEAKER_02:

But is that really the conclusion we're coming to here collectively? That he would have he it would have it wouldn't matter where he was, he would have done that shit anywhere.

SPEAKER_04:

Do you think it makes a difference that it's New England versus Boston at all?

SPEAKER_00:

The Brady 6 documentary let us know that that wasn't the case because when you get guys like T Martin, Giovanni, Kamazi, I forget who else I'm missing. I know there's other four guys, but I'm just like there's it it situations matter, and it was it was a perfect storm. Once again, I Mo Lewis should have a statue outside of Gillette Stadium, too. He gave the most important tattoo.

SPEAKER_02:

We need there needs to be room to walk.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure, but I mean put it on.

SPEAKER_04:

Put that then in his jersey.

SPEAKER_00:

Mo Lewis should have his jersey retired by Robert Kraft.

SPEAKER_04:

So disrespectful to Drew Bud, so I don't I don't once again I I might as well just put a statue of him getting blown up right on the front, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

I listen, I'm once again, I I will always thank Drew for Pittsburgh because without without him, we don't we don't get there without him for the first one, right?

SPEAKER_02:

I haven't done all my reading, but I'm just curious. Is I haven't gotten through all of them yet because there's a lot of documents, but is craft in the FC files or no.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean that we know of, right?

SPEAKER_02:

He's not not in there, huh?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, maybe bullet dodge. Maybe he must he massages a way out of it.

SPEAKER_07:

That's he liked to pay for over the eight years over the age of 18.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh so engagement massages he so he's a good paying customer to grown women. Honestly, maybe maybe he got a bad rap because if you those Epstein files make you for some fucking tough reading, gentlemen. Some tough, tough reading. Um and I don't know if you know this, but everybody mentioned Russell Wilson's in it. Yeah, Russell Russell's funny.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for trying to buy the house. I'm just I might, I'm like, why is that? Why was that is it a plane? Yeah, sorry. I thought, yeah, plane.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm like that's for trying to buy the plane, and also every Russ was like, Hold on a second, I'm in there, da da da. And everybody, I love how the collective thing was like, we don't give a shit, Russ.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because I'm like the least important person anyone that I believe that was, yeah. I'm like, come on. I was like, no, no, no way. But yeah, no, I like I said, but no, I I I do think, like I said, it just ties down his competitive nature won't let him speak really speak about someone being so great, especially in the city that he played in. I don't really think someone got it. Someone became great in Tampa Bay, too. I feel like that's why I think he kind of came at Baker too, right? With Baker was starting to have a little bit of a run. Like he he just was like, like, yo, we instantly became great as soon as I got here. Like, let someone at least have a run first, or at least a deep playoff run before you start comparing to what I did at age 40 at age 43. Unreal. Unreal. But I mean, I don't know, though. I don't know if everything passes him unless he won six years. Like, yeah, because once again, athletically, like, it's not it's not a debate. We know who's the better the better athlete, but he he was just able to, you know, get every ounce of what he needed in his career. And like nothing.

SPEAKER_07:

I just don't think he's putting that that much thought into it. I think Brady gave everything that he had while he was here on the field, and that was it. Like, that's enough for him. And he's now moved on to a different part of his life. He compart compartmentalizes things differently. Like, and that's why I drew the Larry Bird comparison. It's like I would never question Larry's heart on the court, but he loved he loved the Boston Celtics. I don't know if he loved New England, I don't know if he loved Boston. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

But but I think but I think the really what we're getting to though is this idea that I mean Tom Brady's the least Boston guy that we're talking about in this conversation. Like Larry Bird, yeah, he's from fucking French lake, Indiana, but he had that thing. He had that thing about him. You know, he understood the DNA of the city of Boston and then also helped contribute to it, right? Like part of what makes us Celtics fans, part of the way that we act as Celtics fans is because of how what Larry Bird's personality was like, right? Because uh how we act as Red Sox fans is is is what Ortiz was like, what that what that 04 team was like, even if you want to extend it out, you know, the sort of the the the personalities on that team. The the idea that this was this was a town bereft of titles for a long time and everywhere but basketball, and now everybody's fucking winning all the time, right? Essentially, you know, it's like a the the I saw some meme like, oh, we've endured like a 500-day drought or something. We're watching, watching a Boston team win a title. And it's like all this stuff goes into making up what a fan base is, you know. Like, I mean, if that's true, the the heroes of Philadelphia must just be massive pieces of shit. But it's it's like at the end of the day, that this it's a give and take between the city and the athlete, right? And I think that what ended up happening with Tom is you have to be so grateful for what he did that anything he does outside of that matters kind of not at all. Like he he's even if he was the most Boston motherfucker in the world, like even if he grew up here and like went to Holy Cross and like you know, like it came to came to New England and did what he did, you're not loving him any more than you love him now. I mean, he capped out, you know, it's like he put he put everything into it. Like, you can't you can't possibly say a bad word about Tom Brady in the entirety of Boston across the entire city and and greater New England area. So, I mean, I don't know, you can probably say whatever you want in Maine. I don't know what the fuck they get up to up there, but you know what I'm saying. It's it's it's like mostly just people on vacation from Boston anyway. But it like at the end of the day, you look at Tom Brady and he just he capped out, you know, he can't put any more into that pension. He he's retired a legend, no matter what his personality was like, unless he went on some sort of insane speaking tour where he was just bashing the city of Boston. I think saying, I don't have a dog in this race, I don't have a dog.

SPEAKER_00:

The only uh Boston legend uh that's tainted his image after leaving really is Kurt Shillon.

SPEAKER_07:

And Roger and Tom.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but Kurt, no, Kurt Kurt, I Kurtz even like Roger's come back a few times, like like that's different. Like people they Kurt Shillon Aaron Hernandez. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh no, but I said post image, I mean that's I mean he's not alive. If he was live, I think obviously you know people still have more stuff to say about it. But what happened? Yeah, was he in the I just I don't know. I think that Shill Shillon took a pretty big dive with his image, whether it was from his views, whether it was what he said about you know Tim Whitefield before he passed, or telling people about Tim Whitefield and his life, right?

SPEAKER_07:

That Ponzi scheme of a video game company, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And then he looked he looked awful in that documentary, too.

SPEAKER_07:

He did not look good. Yeah, so Karma's undefeated, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So you know, so that that's that's kind of you know what what that is, but yeah, karma's literally defeated all the Epstein files. All those guys are currently elected officials, like they're doing great, they're collecting a government salary and are gonna be completely immune from prosecution. Not to keep bringing that up, but karma's been defeated in that regard. Sorry, brought it to a screeching hull because I keep talking about the Epstein Files. All right, nobody playing the Super Bowls, nobody playing the Super Bowls in the Epstein Files. As far as I know, I'm only through half of them. I was hoping to get the audiobook because again, tough reading. Um Bobby, paint me a picture. Who do you think is gonna win?

SPEAKER_04:

I think it's gonna be the Seahawks, first of all. So that's serious. You're so full of shit. If I had to guess, if I had to guess, it's gonna be the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_02:

Paint me a picture. This is perfect because I because I we need a dissenting opinion here because I like I feel like you guys want the Patriots to win. I think the Patriots are gonna win. I haven't really doubted them all year, and you know, I'm I'm also very grateful that you guys were pulling for me and the Bears and having a good time watching the Bears and being very kind about like our loss and so bad in the run. Yeah, I mean, listen, it was a great run. I don't know if I'm emotionally ready to talk about it yet. I did an after show with Leah and I listened to it back and I was annihilated in like a sad way. Oh, yeah. I was so drunk. This is like sad drunk being like, I love him, and he's really like quarterback before the first time.

SPEAKER_07:

Is that my wine? Yes. So to be clear, before just sorry to cut you off, but I'm not gonna be detecting any points. Bobby doesn't want the Seahawks, or does not want he does not want the Patriots to win. I don't know if he thinks the Seahawks will, but he can't stand what this would mean for him if the Patriots win against Sea. Well, I have two I have two questions.

SPEAKER_02:

I have two questions that are that are gonna actually illuminate this point because I want to actually test his medal on this because I I'm glad he he answered the way he did. Paint me a picture of how you think the Seahawks win. Because in my mind, having watched a lot of Patriots this year, for obviously you know, show purposes, you guys all like them. All my friends like the Patriots pretty much, and they were good TV. I I just don't I like I every scenario I run in my head, I have the Patriots winning every every every time I run the algorithm. I can't picture it. I can't picture Sam Darnold winning a fucking Super Bowl. So paint me a picture of what this is gonna look like because I need this alternate reality to to kind of to get into my brain. How do you see because it it's gonna have to be the Patriots the way I look at it? I know the betting markets are saying the Seahawks, and I know the defense, and I know the way that they've been playing. I know JSN's the best wide receiver in the league right now, and he's had an unbelievable year and he's making freakish catches, and I get all that, but I don't see how it wouldn't, it couldn't, it wouldn't have to be mistakes by the Patriots for them to lose. That's that's how I see it. Is that crazy? Like, do you really think that they can come in and dominate the Seahawks?

SPEAKER_04:

No, I don't think they're gonna dominate, but I just think we're all kind of blinded by what Sam Darnold was and like what he did in the playoffs last year. And to me, the two games that are we blinded by that, or are we just using the data available? Well, but but I just feel like the last two games to me have proven what he can do when he actually has like uh he had Jay, he had Justin Jefferson before, but when he has that wide receiver core around him, he has a great head coach, and and this team is just rolling. I mean, you saw what he did against the Niners, and and then again last week.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so what he did against the I mean if if we're gonna hold the Patriots accountable for playing against teams with injuries and playing and like easy strengths of schedule or whatever, the 49ers are the most injured team to have ever existed. That was a the corpse, that was the corpse of the 49ers. That like that was a zombie 49ers team, and I I will I will not hear it. Come on, Bob, admit it. Admit it.

SPEAKER_04:

It was it was no, I agree. But I also think if you look at the way the Patriots are set up, and I just think it's crazy to say, but Sam Darnold is the best quarterback, and this is the best offense the Patriots have played almost all seasons, besides the Bills. It's literally the Bills and this offense they're about to play this week. I know they did, but I I just feel like the offense of the Seahawks is gonna show up this week, and it's gonna be Darnold, JSN, up in Shaheed is gonna be what's it's gonna win this game for the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_02:

Turnovers. Turnovers are gonna be key, Mike. I I really genuinely feel like if you're betting Moneyline wins, parlay it with who wins the turnover battle. If the Patriots can secure the football, I think they win the game. Is that a crazy thing to say? I think that's your one glaring flaw that I've seen you have over the course of this year. I think you've won games even when turning the ball over. I think you've been in positions to win games when turning the ball over that you've got no right to be in, Steelers. And I I think that I just think if if your running backs can secure the football, if Drake, his biggest problem, and I'm not saying he's supposed to be a perfect QB in year two, I mean, I think it's incredibly impressive that he's made a Super Bowl before Lamar Jackson. I mean, these this is a list of guys that really need to take a hard long look in the mirror, looking at the two quarterbacks that are in the Super Bowl. And this isn't anything anyone else hasn't already said, but before Lamar Jackson, before Josh Allen, you know, and it obviously a down year for Mahomes, like we're not criticizing his Super Bowl record, but you know, there's guys that that I'm reminded of that scene in in a classic legally blonde. Drake May and Sam Darnold, you guys made the Super Bowl. What? Like it's hard. I mean, it's it's fucking crazy to me, but one glaring flaw I do see in Drake's game that I think he will be able to get out is he does not see sacks coming, and he does get strip sacked quite a lot. And I do think he has a lot of faith in his ability to make plays deep into the into the play clock or deep into the into the ball being snapped. I and I think that he's I think young QBs are like that, and I think he's right a lot of the time. So it's you know, you can't really criticize him too much. He's won enough games to get to the Super Bowl. If you were if you had a worry, would that be your worry? Am I am I talking sense?

SPEAKER_07:

No, no, that's 100%. I think the the the turnover uh battle is is the key to this victory. And if Drake, you know, he can probably afford to throw a pick, that's fine. But what he can't do is is lose two fumbles and throw a pick, right? So I I don't think that the that the Seahawks defensive line is better than the Texans defensive line, but I do think that the but I do think that the great job against them, by the way. Right. They can scheme it. Listen, the Seahawks are the number one uh scoring defense in the league. I think it's like 17. like seven points per game. Patriots are allowed 18.2 points per game. Like this is this this is going to be a battle.

SPEAKER_02:

Seahawks turn evolve over allowed too, though, is the thing for a good team, you know?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. And the Patriots have had one of the the best postseason so far with turnovers in terms of uh from a defensive perspective. So listen, the Patriots were the reason why Sam Darnold got booted out of out of New York. We started the entire spiral. I think he's gonna take this game personally, and I also think he's gonna put more pressure on himself. And I'm still standing by this. I refuse to fucking live in a world where Sam Darnold is a Super Bowl winning quarterback.

SPEAKER_02:

New world, where Sam Darnold is a Super Bowl winning quarterback.

SPEAKER_07:

Not doing it. I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_02:

Ray, is the adage true? And is the differential in these two guys' talent enough to say that the best QB is probably gonna go win the game? It doesn't always happen, you know, it's not an every single time thing. But if Pat Mahomes was in this game, we'd be like hard to bet against him, right? I mean, that's a thing. I I know we don't have a ton of tape on Drake May, comparatively speaking. Again, it is year two, but yeah, how big of a deal is the quarterback situation going into this game?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it is different when you essentially have two unproven quarterbacks, right? One of them's about to be proven. No, right, but I'm saying, but it's coming into the game, we can view them as unproven, right? Because they haven't won it. Sam Donald's been on a bit of a redemption tour, like that's not debatable. You know, remember I said I said to you some some weeks ago, I said this feels different. And I I understand what was before them and what was missing. And I said, But just how how he looked felt different. And in the NFC Championship game, it all came together for that moment. Once again, we don't know what's gonna happen. But for the NFC Championship game, yeah, it all came together. Like you said. And he gave the performance of his life. So he looked like the third overall pick that night. He did.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, he always had the physical tools. Yeah, yeah. Now you need the situation. He always had the physical tools. Now you just need you need the situation.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I mean, right, but that's that's it it goes back to something that we've talked about this when it came to basketball, but it's relevant to this conversation. You know, uh the the NBA open court not documentary, but they they had like a like a mini series about it. And Detroit legend Isaiah Thomas talked about, you know, when he had Bobby Knight and Chuck Daly and Brendan Malone and just other guys that that coached him in his career. He said the best thing about those coaches, he said, yeah, everybody in NBA is talented. Like, yeah, that's why you get there. He said, but the best coaches coach you from the neck up. And I think that since Donald's been in obviously Minnesota, now we're seeing now in Seattle, even to a lesser degree, we probably happened to Carolina, even and and San Fran, right? I think that's where the redemption started, right? All those all the unseen hours that we didn't see. And it's led to this moment for him. Once again, he's still like 27, 20 years old. Like so.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, 35. I think he's almost like 47 or 50 years old.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

What's a 60-year-old doing playing quarterback in the street? Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

65 and he's playing quarterback in the right Jim Zorn came out of nowhere, right? No, but yeah, I just I just think that he's he's played well. Once again, I don't I don't think that he I'm like I said, I'm hoping that he turns back to you know the C and Ghost. Uh and it should be it should be scary hours come Sunday, but both of his defenses are talented. And but yeah, like I said, we I don't think we oversimplified it by saying if you make less mistakes, you win. And once again, it sounds cliche, but it's the truth. But with Drake May, he gets um not necessarily a rattle, but you could tell he's a rhythm guy. So if he's not on right away, then it's like we've expected to see him catch fire in the second half because he usually does. And I think that he's we want to he wants to atone uh for only throwing for throwing under 100 yards himself. But he's gonna have to use his his leg isn't gonna win this game. That's that's why but I I feel that in my heart that if they if they win this game, it's gonna be because of another similar run like we saw against Denver. And that's gonna seal it.

SPEAKER_02:

Alright, on a scale of one to ten, Bobby. How nervous would you be if you were one of those guys? And then I want the real answer from those two. How nervous? Because you think the Seahawks are gonna win.

SPEAKER_07:

I think the Patriots need to play a perfect game. Mike, are you a seven? Okay, he doesn't actually believe that, but I I am an eight. I you don't know you don't. I am an eight.

SPEAKER_04:

Tom Brady also thinks that he doesn't think anything.

SPEAKER_00:

Ray probably at a five. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Fucking five. Stoic. Stoic. I would go on and think of the ball, bro.

SPEAKER_04:

I'd be I'd be at like a 74. That isn't a number that you could quantify.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. No, the reason why I say five is because once again, I think that like you said, you name some games that are that are that are that are that are crazy. But this whole one feels like 2001, right? 903, 04, not 2014, because they were a lot more dominant by then.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I said. Yeah, before you jumped on when we were starting the show, I was like, it's got 2001 vibes. It truly does.

SPEAKER_04:

I was just saying that like it's it's not though, because like if you were to rank your nervous factor in 2001, it would be like infinite.

SPEAKER_00:

Because it would be the first thing first nervous ranking was a five going into a super well, no, not that is not not not not at that moment, obviously, because they had never won it, but they had been there, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Obviously, they lost, they got but also I don't did you really think you were gonna win that game?

SPEAKER_00:

No, well, I guess I guess uh St. Louis against the Rams? No, no, yeah, and you and that's but that's what I'm saying, though. Yeah, if if you think that this same this Seattle team is what St. Louis was, please. Like let's stop. Oh my god, like that's a dust.

SPEAKER_02:

It's almost a tragedy, not for you guys, but it's almost a tragedy that the Rams that Rams team lost that game because like I think it moves them out of the conversation they should be in as one of the best teams of all time.

SPEAKER_00:

But but think but the thing think about and I mean, and we we all know I um this is just for the people that's that's listening that may not know that's that's younger than us. Like, you know, Torrey Holt, Isaac Bruce, Ricky Prol, Azair Hakeem, Roland Williams, Brandon Mani Maniula, Aeneas Williams. Did you say Torrey Holt? Yeah, yeah, I started with like the the the level of uh talent that team had, and remember they it was close early in the season that year, too, and they kept it close. I think they I think I'll say one. But last time we lost that was the last time we lost that year. That's a lot, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that. But think think about you you went through the Raiders at that time where you know Charles Woodson, Charlie Garner, Rich Gannon, Jerry Porter, Jerry Rice, uh, you know, Tim Brown, Tim Brown, you know what I'm saying? Like, and then you go to Pittsburgh, uh, slash in Missouri, Highest Ward, young plastic of burst, Jason Gildon, like they like Joey Porter, like they they had this is a this is a similar run. It is because uh you had teams that you were like, oh man, like I don't know if they can get because I wasn't sure they were gonna get past Pittsburgh, even at the time. Forget about getting to to St. Louis.

SPEAKER_02:

I think murderous row that year, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So I just like when you face top five defenses like they have this playoffs, regardless of what they want to say about offense. And I've I've said this line many times, and I hope to be saying it again next week. And over the big daddy cane, I get the job done. You know, I work, baby. Like that that's that's why I I need that, I need that. Craig, I need that on the shirt. Yeah, I need that on the shirt.

SPEAKER_07:

Bobby thinks that the this iteration of the Seattle Seahawks against this iteration of the New England Patriots, Bobby's acting like this is this is the 07 Patriots. Like the Seahawks are just that great. The Patriots don't need to play perfect. Oh, yeah, you I don't give the Patriots a chance. Uh, they have to play a perfect fucking game. It's Sam fucking Darnold.

SPEAKER_00:

Stop. This this Seattle team is not even better than the Seattle team that Russell Wilson was on.

SPEAKER_02:

Is there any is there any ghost to that? It like is this a revenge game, or is it like who cares? It's franchises, none of the same guys are there.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, for Sam Darnold, it should be. He he he should absolutely be in that mindset of like they made me look stupid on that show too.

SPEAKER_02:

Because I'm I imagine that whole fan base is like we need to we need to get this one back.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, like if you if there's a minute left and you're on and you're on the two-yard line, hand maybe maybe they'll hand the fucking ball off to Kenneth Walker this time.

SPEAKER_02:

No, double bluff, throw it again.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, right, but do it.

SPEAKER_00:

They'll never I mean I would throw it to JSN over giving it to Kennedy Walker. Absolutely. Sucks. Absolutely. He is not Jermaine Curtis.

SPEAKER_02:

All right. Yeah, I got one last question. Well, I'm gonna make everybody do score predictions at the end, but I got one last question. Considering what we saw from this year's QB class, is our shared franchise QB class shaping up to be one of the best QB classes of all time? I'm gonna tell you what the internet considers the top three. You ready? The bronze medal goes to the 2020 draft class, Burrow Herbert, Jalen Hurts to uh Jordan Love, all right, whatever. But Burrow Herbert. All right, bronze medal. Burrow. Good. Sure. Let's not get into that. We don't have time. The silver medal, modern dynasty class, they're calling it. Eli Manning, two Super Bowls. Let's not get into the nuance of it. Ben Rothesberger, Philip Rivers, Matt Schab. There's four combined Super Bowl wins in there. Two franchises.

SPEAKER_07:

Don't say there's just no reason to do that.

SPEAKER_02:

Matt Schaub was a franchise QB. He was a franchise QB. No, but for multiple franchises. He was a long-term starter. I mean, I'm just saying, like, how often he has the most franchise. You guys are thinking about in one season, ever. You guys are thinking about this completely incorrectly. The majority of quarterbacks that get drafted don't pan out. Yeah. Mad Shaw not winning a Super Bowl doesn't mean that he wasn't a franchise QB in Texas for quite some time and had a couple of pretty good years.

SPEAKER_00:

Wait, so sorry, before you give the the gold medal, right? And you crown whoever you're gonna crown. It's probably gonna be 83. It should be 83. It's 83. Matt Shop. I mean, LA Marino on record.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not saying why why is it free? Like I'm saying Matt Schaub is a winning thing.

SPEAKER_07:

It wasn't the wedding you just say either. That's all it was it wasn't the words, it was the delivery.

SPEAKER_02:

He was in the fucking draft class I was talking about, and he played multiple, he started multiple years for a fucking NFL team. Jesus Christ, you guys are acting like I said fucking Rex Grossman.

SPEAKER_00:

No, there's just there is this but the the only the only reason why I'm saying it, and this this is just and maybe this is maybe I feel like this is maybe your line of thinking too, Dave, because we've had these type of conversations. And like I said, he was a star, yes. He he did it well in Atlanta, did well in Houston for a little bit. Obviously, they made the playoffs. I I can't I forget about winning a champion that everyone doesn't win, but I can't I cannot name a matchup moment. I can name a Phillip Rivers moment, I can name a Ben Robertsberg moment, I can name a Eli Manning moment. Like I said, Philip Rivers didn't win either, but I I can name moments those guys had. When you said I was like, oh man, like that's that's crazy he's even thrown in there because he was nowhere near where those guys, the other three guys were.

SPEAKER_02:

I just think it's a little I like I said it because he's like listed in the draft class.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, oh nine. Like almost 5,000 yards.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just saying, like, you're you're acting like I I'm not, I don't really want to be in a position to defend Matt Schab, but like I think I just wasn't expecting it, dude.

SPEAKER_07:

That's it. It's not like you did great, but you were like Eli Manning, Ben Phil of the Burst.

SPEAKER_02:

I thought you guys were gonna have a bigger problem with Eli Manning, to be honest with you. I mean intrinsically I have a problem with Elizabeth. I mean, that's that's I mean, listen, he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's Matt Schob was probably a more talented quarterback than him. He just didn't win two Super Bowls against us. I didn't I didn't want to bring it up, but then you guys started being dicks. Yes, 1983 is the gold standard year. John L. Way, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly. That's three Hall of Famers. I'm not gonna name the other guys that are like listed out here because you guys are all gonna fucking freak out. But I'll just name those three Hall of Famers. Sorry, you can only name Hall of Famers when you're not like Tony uh Tony Tony Eason.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I mean the what's there two series?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, you fucking idiot. Tony What's there? Two series. Oh no, the delivery. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_07:

That wasn't me doing you. You can never be me.

SPEAKER_02:

You have a hot enough time being you, dude. All right, let's go. Where is our shared draft class in these rankings? Because I'm I'm thinking they're already one behind 83.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, they're slow there. Sorry, Sean, but like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because we have four. Is it four good QBs out of that class? Are we saying that?

SPEAKER_07:

I think I think Caleb, Jaden, Drake, and both. Really bothers me, but I think you I think so.

SPEAKER_00:

I I yeah, no, no, I that was that was a layer for me.

SPEAKER_02:

What's the rankings as of right now? Just out of curiosity.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I think Drake is one, and then everybody else. And it's like it's one and one A. Right. It's not one and two. Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_04:

It's so funny about one season did to Jaden. How funny? Because he was one owned this season. No doubt about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04:

He was he was one thousand percent number one.

SPEAKER_00:

I just I just hope that he's already getting the RG3 treatment already over there. Already. Dude, it's like the makes it's pretty much. It's like the fan base is really getting to happen. It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's why I feel kind of bad for him, but like not really. All right. Score prediction time. Bobby, go first.

SPEAKER_04:

35-10. No, CR's 27, Pat's 21.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, very close to what I was gonna say, but in reverse, I'll wait till the end. Ray.

SPEAKER_00:

Patriots 24, Seattle 21.

SPEAKER_02:

We're all right in the same range, I think, unless Mike goes insane here, which is known to happen.

SPEAKER_07:

No, I had I had Patriots 27-20.

SPEAKER_02:

That's so funny. I had Patriots 27, uh, Seahawks 21. That was that was gonna be my my score prediction as well. Oh, a little conservative from all of us, actually. What a pack of pussies. All right. I'm really excited for the Super Bowl. I hope the Super Bowl halftime show makes like a lot of people mad because they uh get inexplicably angry when they realize they're gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, they're gonna lost the kid.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, the kid, yeah, yeah. No, what a murderer's row. That one that one looks. I don't even think we should have a Super Bowl halftime show, quite frankly. My hot take is make the half 15 minutes still. Don't roll a fucking stage out there just to flash a titty from Janet Jackson. Just get on with the goddamn game. It's why I don't go to fucking Super Bowl parties. You know why? Because you're always at a Super Bowl party with a bunch of fucking casuals and they're always trying to talk about the commercials or some other bullshit. I'm just trying to stay locked in. You know where if the Bears had made the Super Bowl, I probably would have just like locked myself in a closet with a fucking laptop. That's like that's how locked in I would have needed to be. I don't think I would have wanted to be around anybody. So you would have gone. Yeah, you would have.

SPEAKER_00:

I probably would have. Let's be real. There's no there's no way that you're that for it is right there. You know what's so crazy though?

SPEAKER_02:

I'll say this. Isn't next year at SoFi? Probably. Is it? Probably. See you there, fuckers. That's it. Missing the point. We did a trivia show. We predicted the Super Bowl kinda. Bobby's Bobby's trying to make Mike mad. Uh it kind of worked. Um 35, 15. Let's see how it goes. Good luck, James.

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