How A Four-Man Rush Broke New England’s Dream And What It Means Next

A four man rush should not end a season. But it did in Super Bowl 60 when the Seattle Seahawks defeated the New England Patriots 29-13.

In this full Patriots Super Bowl 60 recap, we break down how Seattle’s defense overwhelmed Drake Maye, why the fourth-and-one punt changed the tone of the game, and how protection failures derailed New England’s offense on the biggest stage in the NFL.

This loss was not about one mistake. It was about offensive line breakdowns, missed hot reads, and a Patriots game plan that never adjusted to Seattle’s disciplined zone coverage and relentless pass rush.

Drake Maye Super Bowl Analysis

Maye faced constant pressure from a Seahawks front that consistently won with four. The Patriots struggled at left tackle, long developing pass concepts had no time to unfold, and early down inefficiency forced predictable passing situations.

Seattle’s defensive structure was simple and effective. Sit in zone. Rush with discipline. Tackle in space. The Seahawks controlled field position, dominated in the red zone, and forced the Patriots into uncomfortable third downs all night.

On the other side, Seattle’s offense did not need hero ball. They controlled tempo, avoided mistakes, and capitalized on short fields. Small advantages became decisive. Red zone execution. Field position. Third down efficiency.

Why the Patriots Lost Super Bowl 60

• Offensive line could not handle a four man rush

• No consistent quick game to counter pressure

• Limited early down success

• Lack of explosive perimeter threats

• Seattle won situational football

When protection collapses without blitz pressure, the margin for error disappears.

Patriots Offseason Needs 2026

If the Patriots are serious about building around Drake Maye, the priority is clear.

Invest heavily in the offensive line. Secure a true left tackle. Consider moving Will Campbell inside if that maximizes his value. Add a mismatch tight end and a true outside receiver with size and burst.

Veteran trench upgrades stabilize quickly. Dynamic pass catchers can come through the NFL Draft.

Most importantly, the Patriots must build a pressure proof offensive identity. Screens. Quick game. Motion. Rhythm throws. Early down efficiency. The offense must dictate terms before elite defenses take control.

Drake Maye’s Future After Super Bowl 60

One bad Super Bowl does not define a franchise quarterback. Maye beat top defenses to reach this stage. The Patriots exceeded expectations during what many called a transition year.

The next step is structural. Protect the quarterback. Expand the playbook. Win situational football.

The blueprint is clear. Protect. Diversify. Execute.

We close by zooming out across the NFL landscape and pivoting into Celtics season as we continue covering Boston sports from every angle.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Show Setup

SPEAKER_03 0:08

It's missing the point. It's a robo recap show. The tone, the tenor. Sort of on this side of things, because we have uh half the show, unfortunately, are Patriots fans. But before that, I got some news from Mike before the show started, and before you guys got here, because we're we're punctual, the two of us. There is results in the prediction game, and has been actually for weeks, but we just haven't checked it. Mike, take us through what happened, please, if you don't mind. You you've done the count for us graciously. What happened in the prediction show? What's what are the results? Drum roll, please.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

So team NFC.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Which was who?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Well, you and me. Okay, cool, cool. Jesus, Dave. Squeaked by the side. Oh, I don't know. Squeaked by with an with the narrow seven to five victory over team AFC. Okay. You'll be happy to know that neither team picked any single player honors or coach of the year or first coach fired. So that was sick. Neither team steal amounted to anything. So we we know we know football.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

We know ball prediction show works. I feel like I feel like next year we need to be like with those superlatives, like, I don't know if we've ever gotten one right. It's kind of hard to guess those, to be honest. But you have a decent idea, like chance of getting some of those things. Anyway, good win, Mike. I'm I'm glad I'm not holding you down again for another year. Same. You've only lost you've only lost the one year, right? That's your you're on a your your streak is reignited.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Just the last year, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

Dynasty continues. But you and I have been predicting for three years, so two out of three, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Uh oh Jesus, Mike.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

I expect you remember everything about the prediction show all the time.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Yeah, because I was 4-0 with Bobby.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Yeah, wow. Impressive considering how terrible he's doing on the other team. Nice. Just kidding. All right, well, we'll be the AFC team next year.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

I do just want to say, DK, my favorite pick that I had to steal. I had to convince you. I had to, I don't know what I had to give up in order to do this. But I said, you need to let me pick Dallas. I'm gonna take them at 7 and 10. 7, 9, and 10.

Setting The Super Bowl Postmortem

SPEAKER_02 2:38

You weren't doing that on purpose because you lost the Super Bowl. That's all that's the only thing we brought that up.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

We're about to spend the next hour talking about like neither of them have recent memories. So like at least we can start off with a little bit of cowboys hate. We've got to fit it into every show when you and Mike are on the same show. Well, score one for the you guys had an easy schedule, brigade, I guess. That was a tough defense to play against. I don't know if anybody was beating that team on Sunday. I I I didn't think it was over as quickly as you guys did. I was wrong on that count.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

Uh I don't know.

Drake May Under Duress

SPEAKER_03 3:17

I I'm gonna let Bobby go first on this one. Can you just give me an overview of what you saw before we we have to make these poor fuckers talk about their team losing in the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Yeah, to me, what so I agree that it definitely shouldn't have been as out of reach. Like the score wasn't as out of reach as the game actually felt into that third quarter just because of how lost Drake May actually looked. Like, I I totally understand that it definitely wasn't all his fault. Will Campbell was on an island all night and he was getting absolutely worked. Will Campbell?

SPEAKER_03 3:52

T Rex R is Will Campbell.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

The entire game getting worked. So I I know it's not all his fault, but even when he did have moments where he had a chance to make the play, he missed at least four throws where he had his feet set, guys, wide open, and he would miss them by like five, ten yards. So, like I mean, that interception was the worst throw of the postseason.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

It was so bad.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

So bad. So when you're doing things like that, it's like if your entire offense is playing bad, what brings you out of that gutter? What brings you out of the out of those trenches into quarterback? And if he's playing like that, it just I just didn't see a shot in that bit of a big of a game in the Super Bowl on that big of a stage, it just you know what I mean. When when the second place MVP quarterback plays like that in the biggest game of the year, it's it's tough to come back in that situation. Like people kept bringing up 28 to 3, and it's like, what happened with 28 to 3? You had the greatest quarterback of all, right? You had Tom Brady, and that just wasn't it, it was the complete opposite of that. This past ones.

Fourth-And-One Decision Debate

SPEAKER_03 4:57

It's it's unfortunate too, because I really feel like the best performance of the entire game was by a Patriot in in Gonzalez, and I feel like he was keeping them in it for the entire game. And I wish they could have repaid him on the other half of the other half of the ball. Mike, sorry to say your Patriots lost to the to the old Seattle Seahawks. I don't know if that's obviously not news to you, but I I mean Ray was saying when we did the prediction show, or I wouldn't call it a prediction show, the preview show. It's really about how you lose. I can't imagine that you're super happy with this and how you lost, and it's probably not. We're probably not in a place where you can say to yourself, Well, we had a great season, we defied expectations, because you did, but the way you lost that game and how frustrating it must have been to watch from your perspective, because it was frustrating from my perspective, and I wasn't a fan of either team. Where are you now after a couple of days of emotions sort of calmed down, or are you just furious?

SPEAKER_01 5:54

No, so I'm I am the in the you know, we defied expectations.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Uh because I didn't know the show, everybody. All right, have a good rest of you because I knew because Ray's not, I can already tell by his face.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Well, he's going last. Everyone, everyone that says, you know, they have the easiest schedule, blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, whatever. Sure, great. But no, no other team in NFL.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

I mean, unfortunately, it you know, watch me, watch me because no no one doing fucking victory laps right now.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Yeah, well, those people are dumb because no other NFL team had beaten the top three or three top five NFL defenses to get to a Super Bowl. So that whole easy schedule in the in the regular season, we did what we needed to do the postseason, except it's hard for me to make that argument when you lose in the the way that you did because when when it was nine-nothing, it felt like it was 28-0. Like there was we could do nothing on offense. The defense was doing everything that they could do to keep us alive. And then I I felt like the game really turned, like it was really over. Over. I think it was in in the third quarter, fourth and one, and we punted. Yeah, like the de the defense just knew at that point that justified immediately.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

You got the ball back right away.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

I yeah, but you didn't you didn't trust your offense to get to get a yard with a 40-yard line.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

You got the ball back immediately. Oh, yeah, but would you have tried would you have trusted the offense to get a yard? They were they looked terrible all game.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

I mean to be fair, the only thing that the only thing that was working for them was the run game with Ramondre up the middle, was the only thing that actually was working. So, I mean, I I would have personally in that in that moment. I I was shocked they didn't go for that on that fourth and on that fourth.

Scheme, Adjustments, And McDaniels

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Yeah, it's just that's like this there's no way, Dave, that she would have wanted Ben Johnson to kick that no fucking way, bro. Like, come on, man, no way, like as a fan.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

No, but that's yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I love you. You know, you know too much to say it like that. And I I I get it.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

It was immediately justified. They went three and out. Your defense is playing well. They get they they weren't scoring a ton either, you know. Every time they went down the field, they were scoring field goals, and you guys said yourself, if they score again field goal or or touchdown, it's over. So they kept the game alive. I mean, if you don't get it on fourth and one, it's over, it's over over in that moment, right? Because you were in field goal.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Yeah, what is that?

SPEAKER_01 8:16

I mean, what is it? The sign that that that that that showed the defense was that you're gonna have to do everything in this game, including like you're gonna have to score all the points.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

You're and that already by that point. I just honest with you.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

I just this is like the opposite of the fourth and two from a long time ago with what with Bill and Brady. I think the same like he felt Vrabel thinks so little, thought so little of his offense, which he absolutely should have, right? I agree. But if you if you're telling me that you don't trust your team to to gain three and a half they would have picked up that first down based on everything you watched in that game. I'd rather I'd rather them go out trying. I also think thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Like it's I think that that drive, too, to me, was honestly the most promising drive that they had for most of that second half. Like they actually got a few first downs on that drive, if I'm not mistaken. So for for for them to to me, it just seems like they're punting away their best chance at that moment.

Seahawks’ Defense And Credit

SPEAKER_00 9:11

So that there's there's two plays, right? So that play there, obviously, you know, where they go to fourth and one. There was a play where they call it a seven route, but it's a it's a post corner. Austin Hooper was as wide open. I mean, I mean he was open as a freeway. It was, I mean, my god. And have you seen Derek? Because Hooper's not what he was, you know, in Atlanta or Cleveland, so he wasn't gonna outrun anybody, but he would have got 30 or 40 yards. Now you're in business. Maybe you get at that point, you get 19, 14. Now, now it becomes a game, right? Uh once again, that that throw to Hollands was beautiful in the fourth quarter. Like it was just it was finally all right, you know what, uh F it, you know, we we have nothing to lose, just throw it. Which I wish they had played. I I wish they had played like that all game because maybe they would have had different results. But uh we said all year Drake's a rhythm guy, and uh he was never in rhythm until the fourth quarter, and it was just too late by that time because it was basically just like just they would do whatever they could just not to lose, meaning Seattle. But yeah, you you can't I'm sorry, I like and also that fourth and two, we'll talk about from a regular season game, like whatever. Like, this is a Super Bowl, dog. Like, I don't, I don't I'm going now swinging. I'm not I'm not playing analytics, I'm not field position. Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Analytics probably wasn't.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Say it again.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Analytics always says go for it on fourth and what I think. It's well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

So I'm like that, that's that's no, but no, I'm oh that's yeah, but I'm like, I'm like, sorry, I meant to say I'm not playing the field, but I'm not playing field position at that moment. I'm not, I'm sorry. And once again, we've seen many times throughout the year that he went for it on fourth down. Hell, they did it to get to the Super Bowl. They did it. I mean, I mean, that pointed to it at larger identities. You can't, you can't do that there. What's the point in me that says I'm done at that moment?

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Or we're done.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

I guess.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

I mean, I I just disagree that that's the moment the game was over because you got the ball back immediately with tons of time left on the clock. And after that was when you actually started moving it down the field, and Collinsworth goes, Oh, he's actually starting to read the defense, and then he just throws like the worst pass of the game. And it's like you still the game was still there to be won after you punt that ball, and you started getting it like you got the ball back right away. You start moving the ball down the field. Drake's finally starting to like see open guys and like and split that zone defense that the Seahawks have been playing for the entire day, right? Which Drake, honestly, for the entire season has been one of the I wouldn't, I don't know the statistics, but I would say probably top five QBs in in splitting the zone. You know, I mean it was I feel like going out there against the Drake May of week eight and playing a zone defense, yes, admittedly, they got a ton of pressure on him. I get that. But in in the times where he did have time, which of there were a few, he for the first time was driving down the field and actually splitting up that zone and actually finding guys inside the seams until I don't know what happened. He threw just diabolical passes.

Turnovers, Margins, And Execution

SPEAKER_00 12:04

They sped him up because once again, him with him being a rhythm guy. If they let him go into a rhythm early, it would have been game over. Because he sped himself up on that last throw, though.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Like there wasn't even anywhere anywhere near him. He like ran up to the to the offensive line and just threw like a terrible pass. And I just feel like it's uh like the game was still my only overall point is the game was still there to be won. There was still time on the clock, and they weren't up by that much, you know. So is it it like the momentum completely shifts? Trust me. I mean, I like the entire time that we were in that position when you were down, what was it, 12? I was like, Caleb would do it. Come on, Drake. Fucking Caleb would come back right now, like just do it right now. Play like shit all game, and then fucking have an amazing three minutes and win the fucking game. It's not that hard. And I just I could see it. There was still an opportunity to actually go and do it, right? There was enough mathematical time left, but also uh an opportunity for a huge momentum shift if you if you had a drive drove down the field and scored in that moment, and especially because that touchdown pass had already happened. It was beautiful, it was a beautiful play, like you said. So it's like, oh shit, like the Seahawks would then start to panic and like the quicksand would set in, you know, but like he just throws that duck and then the rest of the room.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

But the play, the play you're talking about that he when he ran into the lineman. I don't know whether it was either Wilson or Bradbury. Now, armchairs like us, we we see from the area of view that if he literally just flies to the left, uh, he has the first down because he can run out. It's different when them boys like Leonard Williams is right in front of you saying, Hey, don't run from me, right? Like that's basically what what he was dealing with. We can see, hey, if you scatter to the left, you got the first down, or at least you know, uh, five or six yards.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

I mean, he was hearing footsteps, though, you gotta admit. No, that's that's what I'm saying.

Strength Of Schedule Narratives

SPEAKER_00 13:47

It's it's easy is easier for us to say when we're looking at it from like 10 different views on TV saying, hey, he could run to get it. It's just hard to deal with Augustine when that when that's in your face. It just sucks that legit every time that we have lost a Super Bowl, I guess outside of the the Giants, I mean the Eagles won. If you have a decent front four, it's it's it's all it's all set. You don't you don't you don't have to have a great secondary, you don't have to have great line. If you just have a front four that can go get it. It's like it's it's it's it's it's wild. And once again, I don't think laugh because Lennon Williams, a former jet, and Sam John now world champion. So I'm like that that's that's unbelievable to me. Not for the Jets, too.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

To your point, to your point, DK, like Drake was was one of the best quarterbacks against the zone all year, but he never played uh against a defense that played zone and could rush the passer. Right. Usually you play zone because you can't get pressure. Seattle had no fucking problem because apparently Will Campbell decided that this game, he was going to be the worst statistical left tackle in the last four seasons. He allowed 14 pressures. 14 pressures in one game.

Lessons From Bengals–Rams: Build The Line

SPEAKER_03 14:55

He was also just getting thrown. It was a it was just a bad tape look, too, because it's like, yeah, it would you know, sometimes you're just outclassed by the guys on the edge, sometimes they're running a really good scheme on you, sometimes they're you know running two guys at you, or isolating you, or whatever. The tape was just him getting thrown around. The tape was just fully him getting absolutely fucking thrown around. I mean, Drake got sacked with him as a shovel, like multiple times, and it was just like Jesus Christ, Campbell. I mean, it was from the start of the game, too. And I I feel like I did want to come on to talk about this eventually, so we might as well talk about it now. Talk about choking, you know, Will Campbell, sure, Drake May, sure. Fucking Josh McDaniels, dude. I mean, make some fucking adjustments, guy. Like, this is what I'm talking about with these fucking visor coaches. You just can't trust them. This is this is what I'm talking about. You're if you think in the morning when you wake up that half a hat is a good look, you should not be giving the keys to the car. That's a fucking ludicrous thing to do. It's a it's a crazy. What why why just put just put the top of your hat on, dude? There was absolutely no adjustments made in any of the blocking schemes, no support given to Campbell on that side. So fuck it. Put him at left guard, move like swing somebody else out there. I don't know. It's an emergency. Do something. They uncharacteristically lined up in weird sets for the entire game. They barely ever ran any sort of play action off of any kind of Ramondre's success. They it was he just honestly, he really looked like Darren Headlights, McDaniels. I I really thought it was a terrible performance. If you I didn't I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but it basically how uncharacteristic they were was a was a glaring thing. They were in jumbo personnel for way more than they they usually are, you know. They didn't run as many play actions, like I said. It watching that play out, I know it's tough to blame the offensive coordinator, right? You're not gonna go and blame the offensive coordinator, it's not his fault at the end of the day. But he could have put his rookie left tackle and second year QB in a situation where they weren't getting absolutely fucking swallowed by the number one defense, no, so sure, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:08

I I think I said this on on the group chats I was in. Charlie Weiss probably wouldn't do that game if he's there. And the reason why I say that the pass rush was crazy, right? Yeah, what one negates the pass rush more than anything that Charlie Weiss was the master of running the screen? Yeah, screen passes, little pit little pops. There was no no, but it but they they didn't throw anything, they didn't throw any screens.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Because you could you invite the blitz on, right? The problem, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

But that's what I say yeah, no, but you let you let you let it come up the field.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

They weren't blitzing though to Mike's point.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Right, they weren't they were rushing four.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Well, no, but that's but that's what but even even with that though, if if you let them come up the come up the field, and once again, if if you've seen a couple of even well, it was a Witherspoon or or Woolen, I can't forget which one it was. I think one of them had both of them had a sack of piece, I think. But like they were setting the four, but because no one was on World Cam aside, they set another, they set a fifth, and that's what that's what that's what happened when I think Drake got the fumble.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

So anytime they were switching it up, it wasn't just for four all the time. No, it wasn't you're right, but I but anytime they blitzed, it was fucking game over. Like they knew if you looked their their speech, yeah, usually every time.

Roster Needs: OL And Receiving Corps

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because if you look at if you actually look back at those plays, right? When when Weatherspoon uh fucking rushed off the off the left side, every single time Drake looked at at Pop Douglas for that small out, and Pop was just head down running down the field. Like he didn't he just didn't never turn to the big thing.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

That's on that to my point, that's on the coordinator. No, like where's all his where's all his release valves? Like he didn't have any check downs like really available to him at all. To Ray's point, like, okay, you don't even need to be running full-on bubble screens or some bullshit like out on the out on the sideline, right? Because I fucking hate those anyway. They take that they take a lot longer than you actually think, and they like never seem to work out. And you're always asking like wide receivers to be blockers in those situations. So I'm not sure that would have worked. But I think to your point, like little slip screens like to to Ramondre, like underneath or or Henderson underneath or whatever, you know, bring a tight end inside to just get like, you know, they used to do that shit with Gronkowski all the time, right? Where it was like, just get him going downhill, just get him the ball in his hands, get him, get him possession, and get him going downhill, right? You'll get eight, 12 yards a pop doing that if before they adjust, right? That's gotta be on the coordinator. Like, where was all his where was all his release files? Where how if you can't generate any sort of pass protection, what's the next thing that you need to do? Get the fucking ball out of the QB's hands quickly. And every time Josh was running these like long progressions where it's like to you're exactly to your point, like Gonzalez is doing a fucking track and field race down the field, and it's like, dude, he doesn't have time to let that route develop. I promise you, he's already dead. Like they have already taken his head off by the time you're supposed to turn around. So to me, just the schemes were like they just would they were married to him and they just wouldn't adjust, you know. Like everybody was like a deer in headlights out there. It's frustrating, even for me.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah, no, I know. I mean, just they they only blitzed 11 11 of the time, and Drake may was under pressure 85% of the time. Imagine that. That's that's fucking ridiculous. I mean, that guy Drake was hit 14 times, and they only sent more than four 11% of those times.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

It's that's so hard to adjust against like not defending McDaniels, but to me, that's so hard to adjust against because that literally means you're you're you're at a disadvantage, literally what 11 so 89 of the time in the secondary, they have seven on five if you're if you're putting five guys out much.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

You really can't you really can't run a few plays where you just start to get the ball out of his hands. Like if he's a rhythm guy, if he like if he just needs a few completions in a row, it like can you can we get a designed run? Can we get a cubicle? To me, that's what I mean.

Cap, Trades, And Win-Now Math

SPEAKER_02 20:58

To me, it was the the run game. I feel like that's where the big mistake was because Ramondre had some room early, and like he did have some running players, and they just they went away from it, man. I mean, I know Trayvon listen, Trayvon's been garbage for like half well the last half of the season, except for his big plays. But Ramondre, man, in that game, he was he was actually making some plays, he really was. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

No, I'm with you, but like listen, I I want to I want to blame everyone but Drake, but if you're if you're under center, you're setting you're setting the protections. So if you realize that there's gonna be a blitzer, it's you to say hot route, you know, like make sure that your receiver knows.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

And he just that only happened 11 times. It really was just like the protection is so bad.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

That was the worst game I've ever seen. That was the worst game Drake May has played in his career, for sure. That was that was really bad.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Like he wasn't he he didn't know. So happy 130 million people were watching, too. It just makes me feel so good about it.

Tatum Analogy And Reload Mindset

SPEAKER_03 21:56

This actually brings me on to my next point surprise redraft twenty. 2024 draft surprise redraft. We're doing it right now. Perfect timing. No, I'm just kidding. I feel like it I don't want to because I've been preaching this for years now. So I'm not going to do a victory lap just because it's the Pats. I find that fucking silly anyway, because it's like, oh yeah, like we're so happy the Pats lost. Like they didn't have to go through any time period. It's like, don't worry about other teams so much. You know, like that's always my thing. Is it like, why don't you take a look in the mirror if the Pats are already good again? If they're already getting to the Super Bowl, like we all the rest of us need to be like, damn, like focus on stop being ass then, you know, and like and maybe they won't keep getting to Super Bowls, right? Like everybody else needs to improve and take a long look in the mirror instead of doing Schadenfreud, right? That being said, you gotta give young QBs time. I mean, it Sam Darnold on the other side is a great example of why you can't do a victory lap on Drake May right now. Like, he'll I think he'll be back personally. I I don't think this means anything other than like a second year QB faced, we didn't know it at the time, but like an all-time Super Bowl defense. Like, that's just what happened. I mean, you you as much as this is gonna be Patriot centric and you guys are mad at them, and I get why, and you have good reason to be in a lot of different ways, and you know, criticizing McDaniels, criticizing May, criticizing little T-Rex arms, Will Campbell. I I understand it and I get it, but you also have to give the Seahawks credit. I mean, Darnold was under almost as much pressure as May for a lot of the game. He they they were the game plan on the defensive side of the ball was working. He just made a play a few times that Drake May didn't, right? It's not like he was lights out on the other side either.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

So I I disagree with or yes, he he he he did make some plays for sure. I'm that's not that's not my I think my stance on him yesterday. I I don't think he like he wasn't a reason why they lost. I mean, if they would have lost, he wouldn't have been a reason, but he wasn't the reason why they reason why they won.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

No, I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

No, can't Kenny Walker was phenomenal, he was great.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

And I mean, if we're talking about reasons for winning, Myers, the kicker, was probably the fucking oh when the guy runs for 150 and I mean, yes, I mean I get it.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Like he gets the score, but he had to find so yeah, but I'm but can Kenny Walker keeping him on the field, running like when you control the ball via the run, like that's why he won MVP. Like it wasn't we don't give it we don't give it to a kicker. Come on. I'm not advocating that because that's the case. Vinitary should have a couple as well. So no, that's probably should right. So that's that's not the case, but uh yeah. I I just think that Kenny Walker obviously he controlled the game and they they committed to the run. And when Sam Darnold had to make the throw or the throws, he did. Because JSN basically was he was blanketed all game, and that's because of Gonzo, but they did what they had to do, and their secondary guys made plays are then.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

I think Sam Darnold was itching to give the Patriots that game because he made four throws that normally against a I don't know if it was a better defense or whatever, that those would have been they would have been picks.

Boston Sports Outlook And Transition

SPEAKER_03 25:08

But listen, he Yeah, turnover really would have changed things for you. I mean, I know it sounds like John Madden obvious to say, but like that would have been a really big momentum shift, you know. Like if you could if your defense could have really gone on to do that, take that final step and be like, yeah, we're winning this fucking game for us, and here's the ball back. Actually, do something with it this time, right? You know, to really be able to hand it back and be like, we we fucking picked this shit off. We got great field position, like 50 yards plus, whatever it is. Go score, just put some points on the board for the love of God, you know. Like that, that the defense can wake the offense up. I've seen it, you know. Uh we've all seen it plenty of times. So it is too bad that you weren't able to go make that one extra play with like strip sack, whatever. They were getting those. And it's like, you know, uh with the when you win the turnover battle like that, it's hard to win the game. Yeah, it's it's hard to lose the game from the Seahawks perspective, you know. So it's uh it's tough, you know. I I do feel like it was it kind of it looked like two very similar teams, to be honest, playing each other with two very similar game plans. And it was just a little bit like I, you know, like Ray said, a ton of ton of yards on the ground from the run game, even though you your guys' run game was pretty good, theirs was a little bit better. The defense, yours was pretty good, theirs was just a little bit better, you know. Like we were talking about getting getting pressure on the QB with four, etc. And then Drake May wasn't that great, but Darnold was a little bit better. You know, it was these these margins. You know, I don't think Darnold went out there and was Joe Montana, don't get me wrong, but they consistently put themselves in a position to put points on the board. And like you guys are the ones advocating the past few weeks, like take the points when they're giving to you. So I mean, I was nervous for the sea.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

They did what they were supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

No, that that's that's that's yeah, they just accomplished the game plan, I think. And I I think it's execution was the issue. I uh on the New England side of the ball, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

So, I mean in the pay in the Patriots defense. This is what the Seahawks have been doing to literally everyone except for the Rams all season long. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Rams are the only people that have scored above, I think it's 21 points on all years.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

There's also mitigating circumstances there considering, you know.

Season Wrap And Producer Shoutout

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Oh, yeah, but I mean they literally play each other multiple times a year. So Shanahan, they asked Kyle Shanahan, like, what would you do if uh if you were the Patriots? Or what would you have done? He's like, listen, are you kidding? Did you see what the Seahawks just did to us a few weeks ago? Like, this is what the Seahawks have been doing for weeks on weeks. So the fact that they came in and did this to the Patriots is isn't a surprise to a lot of people in the NFL.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

It really isn't. I I'll I'll say it like this, right? Because I I think I think we would have we up, we all probably would have scoffed at it if we if one of us has said it. But it's easy it's easier to say because of what they they won the other night. Whatever demon Sam Dunn had football wise was exercising NFC championship game. When he got past LA like that and he he went to work on them.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

Vikings in shambles right now.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

No, sorry. But it's just like when he got past something like that, I think they probably was like, it don't it doesn't matter who were facing, it doesn't matter. Like we we got this because if we got through who had been killing us and he'd been struggling against, it's it's just a formality at this moment. And I'm sure that's how they felt coming in there, and they proved it. So give credit, give credit where it's due. That defense performed better than the Legion of Boom against us. I mean, that's not recently biased, that's that's just what it is.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Talking about exercising demons. I mean, those Seahawks fans, they've been living in a fucking under a cloud since Malcolm.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Well, but it's not like they didn't get one. It's is if they had lost back to back, they lost to Denver. But to you guys, you know. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

So if you asked the Seahawks fan what would their perfect situation would be at the start of the season, beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl is probably what they would have told you. Probably.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Or just winning one. I'll I'll move the hornet manager.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Well, it's their fantasy, you know, like you might as well just you might as well flesh it out. And now it's reality, you know. I mean, I I to me it's it's it's not I don't think it should be doom and gloom for you guys. I understand you probably don't want to hear that right now because it's you just lost it's fresh. You just lost a fucking Super Bowl. It sucks. I know what that feels like, it's not a good feeling, and you know, it's still fresh for me, even though it's been 22 years now, or whatever, since our since since an hour 20, yeah, right on the money, 20. 20 year anniversary of watching my team losing the super bowl, and they haven't been back since. So, you know, I think the future's bright. You guys made a lot of really good free agency signing, like a lot, like the most ever free agency signings in the offseason, which means the people in charge have a good eye. You I definitely still think you have your QB. Bobby, do you are you uh currently of the opinion where you're taking a victory lap on Drake May now? Like, I don't I still think he played really good all year. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm still in on Drake May.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

I'm I'm still in on Drake May. I don't think he's a bust. I don't think that this is something that you know defines who he is as a quarterback.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

I think what would we be saying about Darnold if Darnold had to put in that performance? You know what I mean? Like there is a strange thing.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

It's listen, I I said coming into last week, I thought he exercised all his playoff demons coming into the Super Bowl, which is kind of why I thought the Seahawks were gonna win this game. Yeah, but to go against the two MVP candidates and beat them both. But for May, I mean, I just think he went up against a Buzzsaw of a defense. I don't think there was any quarterback that was gonna be walking into that game on Sunday that was gonna put up a good one against him.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

I can think of one.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

I can think of one. Tom Brady. Yeah, is that it? Is that it? Right. That's it, man. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

That that defense now. Like, I wouldn't doubt him, would you? Like, you keep the thing in your fucking pocket with credit.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Mike McDonough, Mike McDonald is a fucking hell of a coach, man. He's he's unbelievable. So I I that's why, like, when you go to say McDaniels, like you you he definitely deserves some of the blame, but I don't think there was much he could have fucking done on Sunday, man. He could have made any adjustments with the way May was playing and the way that defense was performing. Listen, when you're getting pressure with the front four, we've seen it so many times in NFL history. It shuts down the best offenses we've ever seen.

unknown 31:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Getting pressure.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

The Giants.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Right. That's what I mean. It it shuts it shuts down elite offenses. So when you do it against a team that already has question marks at offense, man, it's just you can't you can't you can't make conclusions in May just based off of that.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

You really can't. They just put this into perspective again. Drake dropped back 43 times. Seattle blitzed five times. That's it. And Drake was under fucking duress. 85% of his dropbacks. That's so stupid. Do you think he was hurt?

SPEAKER_02 31:49

What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 31:50

No, I don't think his injury effect doesn't matter. No, no, it doesn't. To me, it doesn't. He was out there. And I'm like, that's that's weak to use that excuse. Once again, you got outplayed. Like I that that's not this is not the day to say that.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Yeah, his shoulder hurt, but he threw for 200 yards in the fourth quarter. So like you can't have to go.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Yeah, like come on. Um because trust and believe, if if they had found a way to come back and win that game, like you know, it'd have been like, you know, they would he would have the ice thing in his arm of like, yeah, you know, we yeah, we did it. So like, no, like that I'm I'm not gonna play into that. They got out played, they got rocked. But I believe I I've seen some stat on there. I think they had out of the 50 man, 53 man roster, 30. There was 30 rookies on the team or close to that. 30 to get to the super bowl, like do y'all understand how crazy that is, like, schedule or not, like 30 rookies on a team or close to that on like to get to the Super Bowl, not not to the not to the wild card, not to divisional, but to the Super Bowl. Like I I had a schedule is is is is something that we should be saying, but like I said, I it it was about uh how you lost the game. Because if it if it was 29-26, we're we're we're feeling different. Yeah, we're pissed, but it's a different feeling. Losing all like our last minute field goal as opposed to the game was over.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Yeah, I mean it's it's the same. I have to agree because like I looked at the Bears Rams loss, it's like I didn't leave the playoffs feeling like we didn't deserve to be there. You know what I mean? And that that's a thing that like I have not felt in quite some time. So it's you know, it's you're right. It is, uh it's obviously very different uh depending on how you lose. I don't think you should leave the I mean it's just it's it's it's silly to be to sensationalize the whole strength of schedule thing because it's to be honest, it's annoying that your team was good enough to make the Super Bowl and people are trying to caveat it with that bullshit just because your team makes the Super Bowl all the fucking time, right? That's essentially what it is. Like there is a there is a left turn on the path specifically, and a couple other teams have this too. I think I you know teams where the a large portion of the NFL fan base have seen them, those teams succeed quite a bit. They're gonna be happy when you're not doing well. You know, it's it's it's part of being a human being, right? But if you analyze that a little bit, you sort of ask yourself, well, it's not it's not even the same roster. You know what I mean? It's not the same coaches, it's not the same roster, it's just the same building and uniform. So it's like those those demons really you aren't really that back to haunt you.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

But but that but that's why it would have meant so much, right? Like you think about all the teams that have had the great dynasties. Like you think about I'll just use the Yankees right because Yankees had the most world championships in any any sport. Not all that I know of. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Um how many do they have?

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Uh 27. Yeah, 27. That's a lot. No, 20, yeah, 27.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Yeah, so 20, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Yeah. You know, you think about the Yankee fans love to remind you of that. Uh right, of course, right. You know, yeah, it's been it's been vacant since 09. But yeah, it's been a minute I was gonna say. Right, but it's just the but the thing is with that with them, you know, you had your babe roos, the Lou Gehrig's the Joe DiMaggio's, the Yogi Berrars, the Don't be.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

What are the chances gone?

SPEAKER_00 35:09

Yeah, crazy. But you know, you had that era, then you had you know the Reggie Jacksons and you know, Jesse Barfield, like you had that era that that that one. Then it's like you got to you had the Jeters and Apollo Neils and Brady, like the every every era had it's like, oh, well, you know, you gotta win a few if you're gonna be like the guys of the past. Yeah, so what we're seeing now is like this one would have meant so much because it would have been the first one without uh you know, without obviously Brady. Uh you know, obviously we lost with Blesso, lost with Steve Grogan back in the day, you know, to your to your team.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

So but can I counter to that though? And I don't even mean like an like an anti-argument, I mean just like a counterway of thinking about it, because if you look at it from the perspective of your Josh Allen's, your Joe Burroughs, your Lamar Jacksons, nothing changed from the start of the Super Bowl to the end of the Super Bowl. You should all still be taking a long look in the mirror because the Patriots are still back and you let them come back. Like you like making the Super Bowl is something that 30 other teams couldn't do. So it those those people with all the opportunity in the world, when finally the the second coming of the boogeyman and Patrick Mahomes was what you know had a bad year that his team's dipping, and then he gets hurt. All the rest of these guys, all this this murderous fucking row of dudes that are supposed to be the second coming, just walked, just let Sam Darnold and Drake May walk into a fucking Super Bowl and play against each other. Like that's what you guys all did. So I, you know, Drake May's been here for eight seconds, and he and he looks 11 and he's making you guys look fucking silly. Haley Steinfeldt made it to the Super Bowl before Josh Allen did, and I think he needs to fucking look at himself for that. You know, like that's a real thing. So yes, of course you demand greatness, and it's the thing that you always say to me, and it's it's part of like this kind of thematic, not argument, but like back and forth you and I have been having specifically, Ray, all year, where it's like there's no moral victories. And I'm like, well, there is though, because you can still claim if you put as we are right now, if you if you put everything in context, if you put going in 85, getting good with Bledsoe, going and winning six, and going to like half of the years of Tom Brady's illustrious 20-year career, half the fucking time he was in the Super Bowl, just haunting the dreams of of football fans all over the world as you just year after year just fucking goddamn it, they're still fucking good. Ah, he's not supposed to be good, he's 40. And then finally the respite comes and you come back like fucking Emperor Palpatine. It's it's it's poetic, it's beautiful, and that sense of superiority you should still take from it because yes, you could could have done obviously a way bigger victory lap if you win the street bowl. And I'm not taking anything away from that. Of course, that's the preference, but you should still, as a Patriots fan, be able to look at the rest of the league and be like, y'all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves that letting us back in like this.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Do I do I believe that the AUC is about to come back through Foxboro? Let me be clear. Absolutely. See, there you go. I'm not gonna side away from that. But I mean, you know how I am, you know how Mike is. I said we we we we want the same thing, we just say it in different ways. I'm here for dominance. I'm not here for parody. I don't I don't I don't I don't care about I don't I don't care about that the Bills haven't won or that they went to four Super Bowls, you know, with Desert Storm. I don't I don't care about that. That means nothing to me. It means nothing.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

I don't know. I don't know. It does though, because what if they had? And you didn't have this dominance. Like if they had gone, like well, yeah, but but that but that's what I'm saying. Like, I mean, I think Michael. It doesn't matter. It matters, it does you don't want to have to think about it. I don't have that.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

I would never want to go to four straight and not and not get one. It's one thing you know, I also because one or three is always better than the oh or four. Getting there is hard. It's hard.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

I'm not asking you to celebrate getting there. I'm really genuinely not. I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

No, no, I know I know that you're not. I think you you're painting the picture for those that's listening, but I just know for for me, I like I said, I yeah, am I proud of the team? Absolutely. I'm I I that to say otherwise would be lying. I hate how they went out, but but this is why I was so I was so adamant about that win in Buffalo. I was like, when you get wins like that, those are turning points. And it was like they started to believe, oh, we actually have a team here, and it went on a run. Like, that's that's why you have to win those type of games. I don't want to be like, oh, we lost 23-20. No, going go into someone else's house, kick your feet up, and say, hey, we we we we're we're we're taking over, we we got this. Because that matters to me, and then once again, the first team to go 9-0 on the road, like that's that's special. Three three top five defenses, that's special. But like I said, uh at the end of the day, you know, they they they fell short, but great ride. Once again, I'm sure this is how fans felt in '85, but just with no social media, right? You beat Merino, right? Marino had just went to the Super Bowl the year before, right? You beat Marino in in in the Orange Bowl in Miami, right? I told Mahomes at the time. So it's just like, man. But I'm sure that's how fans felt in '85. I'm sure. You know, the team that shouldn't have got there, got there and but got out the door, it's blown off them. I just think if you put it in perspective, like it was a joke.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

You just you just said like one stat that I think we should put all in perspective. This team before this year had won eight games in the in the previous two seasons. We won nine games on the road this year. Yeah, like right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

I was thinking about you know, do you think I don't know if this is something that's kind of been axed you've accessed yet emotionally or or logically, but probably not. I would I would point back to it's easier for me, right? Because I'm a it have a third-party perspective here, and I'm not as emotional about it, but I would point back to Bengals Bengals Rams, right? I admit it was a closer game, 2022, I think. It was a closer game. You know, the Rams only went by three, but what was the turning point of that game was the pressure that they were able to get on Burrow, right? Like the offensive line of the Bengals looked paper thin, and the front four, I mean, it's specifically like a generational talent in uh Aaron Donald was was uh amazing. Like, you know, he I don't know if anyone was beating him that day. Like, this is this very similar conversation that we had after the Bengals lost that game. A lot of the same hallmarks. Don't whatever you do, don't make the same mistake they did. You have to go and get you owe Drake May one offensive line. That check should have already been written. You gotta go get him guys that can protect him. I don't know if that means I think that Campbell, there's a future for him in that line. If that's at guard, fine. Uh, you know, whatever, figure it out. He's a he's a talented lineman. You it's just a matter of like scheming for him. You gotta make sure to strike while the iron's hot because you're almost there. Don't rest on your laurels. Additionally, you are, and I know I said this last offseason and you made it to the Super Bowl, so I had to eat my words a little bit. I'm not in love with your receiving core. I don't know what it's gonna look like at the start of next season as far as what you have right now. Your top three guys, I you know, or three of your top guys, I should say, are over 30. I I think it's time to freshen up there. Now, I'm I'm not a GM, I'm not gonna tell you where to get what guys, but I will say the Bears went out and bought an offensive line, and it was the reason why we had success this year. And I do think established guys on the line are are really important in the trenches in general, I would even say, but you can find skills skill positions in the draft. That would be where I would go, but up to you guys, just strike by the iron tot, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Right. I Isaiah likely O'Cawa pitch to me should be two of the options they look at. Can I interest you in DJ Moore?

SPEAKER_03 43:11

No, why not?

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Not not not in 2026. I think immediately become your biggest pickens.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Pickens might be on the block. I watch Pickens. I don't want him now either, though. Yeah, they are gonna friend, but he's there's there's there's been some trade rumors about him too.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Yeah, it was but it's it's it's about the timing. Like I said, if it was at the time that you guys got DJ Moore, I'd have been like, yeah, go go get him. I don't think he's been great as he as he as he could have been for y'all, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

He was in the literal greatest play of the entire season. He was he's in that highlight.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

I just want to point out that that one one week ago you were telling us, and and I quote, you don't want DJ Moore. The guy fucking quits on routes. You don't.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

So yeah, so but I I how how often do you listen to me? I'm here to the fuck. I would imagine that would incentivize you of all people, Mike, to want him out.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Um but no, like likely. Likely or or Pitts at the tennis position.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Diggs back next year?

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Who? I don't think they know. Diggs. I mean, I think I mean, I mean, he I I I think that he's gone, honestly. I think if they won, then he absolutely didn't really act like a winner in that game.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

I gotta say.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Spinning the ball.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

It was he was thinking about fucking Stefan Diggs. That was that was what was the fucking what was that guy's name that was on the screen?

SPEAKER_00 44:32

I mean, a lot of a lot of guys waited until Sunny to have yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Chase Claypool. Yeah, Claypool.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

He's like, the fucking clock's running, dude.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

Yeah, the clock was bro. That was so bad. That was Mac Mac Collins made me a fan. Um he can stay. He can definitely stay. He he became what I told you.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

He was he was he was the best wide receiver in Buffalo, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

He's like 31 or 32.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

It's it's it's not surprising that he made the plays he does. He that's what he does, man. He he he's like a ghost all season, and then down the stretch he just makes huge plays.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

But to to your point, Dave, about the line, and uh you know, I'll I'll make Bobby smile. Maybe I don't know a smile for that.

SPEAKER_03 45:13

Mike Evans is an unrestricted free agent, just putting it out there.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

But I might make Bobby smile on this one, but because Bobby could tell it better than me, but it's just what I remember. I want to say it might have been 2011, they got beat Detroit in the playoffs. And I think right after that, Tony Roman went to go beg Jerry Jones to go get a line. And then you go get the Zach Martins, you go get three horses on there, but just I know Zach Martin's one of them.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

They got Zach Martin, they got Frederick Jones.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

So you you go get him a line, you basically send his career by another four years, right? You know, until that took over in 2016. Now you have you have, like I said, you have to invest, and but this is why we had the argument. Remember, because he was like, Oh, well, you know, Chase Chase is you know, Chase is the guy. Okay, but Joe Burrow legit has not been the same since. And if he's that good, he can make anybody look good at the barber T position. So you have you have to, and I can't I said this even in 2020 when we started, you build up the middle, and you know why I said that's because we watched it here for 20 years. When we had the Joe and Drusis, the Matt Lights, the uh the Tom Ashworth, like when we had those guys, we you didn't we didn't even think about the line. We knew who all everybody on the line was, but Steven Neal, like Nate Solder, like we we didn't we didn't have to worry about Dan Connolly, like who had the best big man return of all time uh you know on Sunday night football. But like like it that's just we didn't think about it because you build up the middle, and that's how you that's how you start with your team. Build up the middle, then you then you build out, and they have whiffed horribly at that the last four or five years, which is why they don't have a staple there at Mike O. And that's problematic. You every every pick, and we joked about it last year, but it's the truth now, even more so than last year. Every pick should be a lineman. Every pick.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

What's what's real frustrating about it is they that's what they did. They drafted a tackle, a tackle at three, and now your biggest need is still left tackle, which is very frustrating. I could that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 47:25

Free agency is where you go get an offensive line at this point when you have everything else.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Right, but there's no no no tackle. So but can we can we think of a good left tackle? Does ever does ever hit free agency?

SPEAKER_03 47:36

I think the what's his name? Noteboom is available from Baltimore. Cam Robinson, I think, is an unrestricted free agent from from Cleveland. He's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Nate Solder went to the guy.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

Who?

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Nate Solder. He had free agency, he went to the Giants.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Right, but I'm right.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

But I'm but oh, you're saying, oh, you're saying has it ever happened?

SPEAKER_00 47:56

I'm thinking, but I'm I'm thinking of like Trent Williams level, like no one that level has left, you know what I'm saying? Like, unless they get trained, like he got traded to Washington, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Yeah, they no people. It's you're right. Famously, like they don't let great left guards.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

Yeah, so they don't you don't let those guys walk, so it's like it's hard. You have to get that guy now. If they say if they end up moving him into left guard, the problem is you you better be Steve Hutchison or Larry Allen. You better be. I think he could be. You better be an odd, like, I think he'll be unbelievable.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

If you're gonna be left guard all pro, you you you you I'm honestly so surprised that Arms thing matters that much, but it really does because like it makes him back up against like a speed rush because he has to sort of get in his steps before he can really do anything, and then if you get by him, he can't really like he can't pitch or anything, so it's just like oh shit. But like he'd be if he can drive in up the middle, he'd be like one of the best run blockers in the league, I imagine. Color would have what it was, Dave. T-Rex arms. No, no, but not. Welcome to Jurassic Park, and then there was a Jurassic Park commercial, and I was like, Holy shit, Will Campbell, you're in the commercial, and you're in the game. This is crazy, but right.

SPEAKER_00 49:00

Not not even not even the the short arms, Dave. There was no exotic move that was done.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

No, he just got ran through. He legit died straight in now. Yeah, he was like me at Khalifa.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

They gave him a Heisman to the chess, and he and he and he fell back. I said, Oh my god, if this wasn't this wasn't a this wasn't a Dwight Freeney swim move, and I couldn't imagine him going against someone like Dwight Freeney.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Yeah, it wasn't like Max Crowley was out there fucking like throwing him around, you know.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

He's not going against Aaron Dunn. Once again, Lennon Williams is really good. So I'm not gonna say here it's no, but I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

But come on, he was bad. That was really bad. It was wild. That was such a bad performance at line. It's like you everyone noticed, you know, like the but the layman fan was like that guy who's supposed to be blocking is really not doing good.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Like he he he looked like the guy from the Ravens, I think it's Daniel Phillet, something something something like I can't think of say his last name. I know it's Simone, but he he's he's he he was that level bad Sunday.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

Yeah, but that by the end of the game, you just felt bad for him because it just kept getting worse, too. It's not like it's not like they made adjustments or like he improved in any way, it was just worse and worse and not made adjustments.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Think think of think about this though, too. And I and I I know Mike will laugh on this probably. It got so bad. I see people saying, Where was Redarian low? Do you know how wild that is?

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Because he was never that bad, dude.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Never listen for Verdarian Lowe, Dave. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_03 50:31

We've really reached a new Verdarian Lowe at that point, right?

SPEAKER_00 50:38

The fact the fact that we were looking for him to come into the game or Ben Brown, that's unreal.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

I know. I've been there, dude. I've been there.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Unreal. Like, there's no way, like, there's no way, like, I don't care how bad things got. Like, and but once again, Jared Wilson wasn't much better either. I know we focus on Will Campbell because he was a top five pick. I get it, but Jared Wilson, like, hey, he wasn't great either.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

What were you supposed to do though? Like, you had you cast your mind back to that draft. You needed a left tackle, he was the consensus number one choice at left tackle.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

We didn't think that was gonna give Bradbury.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

We thought no, I'm talking about I'm talking about Campbell. Like, I you know, he was the consensus number one left tackle. You knew he was gonna go high. Listen, you had the high pick, like you would have been idiots not to take him at at left tackle in the context of the time.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

If there's if there's anyone that deserves to get joked on or trolled on the most, it's the man you hear speaking. I'm the one that was beating. I was banging the drum. Soon as soon as I said his arms didn't matter, they matter.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Well you can't pick anything up with those.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

I also like the to me, the picture makes sense. Like, I'm not it's it's it's easy it's easier today to say anything that's negative about what was what was negative about him coming out of the draft. Fine, I get that. But like I said, but if you redraft it right now, you take you have this too.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

You take McMill, like you trade down, you take McMillan you and then you take another left tackle in the second round.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Yeah, probably like you go, that's what you're doing. I mean, but but you didn't know that at the time. There's no way right. I thought that's redraft, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

We we see no, we saw we but Mike, Mike and I, I don't know what to say, whatever the tape is, but like we we talked about tech on the show too, but I was like, I don't know. I feel like because of like wide receiver PTSD, we talked ourselves out of wanting tech here, like and I'm just like I was telling you you guys needed to upgrade a receiver, to be fair. No, but but you you understand we it's been so bad here. Like people keep saying you guys need a wide receiver, like it has to be free agency. Like, I don't trust him to draft a wide receiver for real, and it really, really pan out. Yes, K Sean better.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

Well, you know, I'm gonna kill Harry, he wasn't a good pick.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

Like they'll draft it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I said we weren't because we were, but to think about what happened after the run after from the AJ Browns to like DK DK Debo Samuel. Like, it's it's crazy, it's crazy just how much how badly they've missed there. That we're thinking about the best receiver for the last 25 years that they drafted might have been Dion Branch, bro. Like, that's crazy to me. That's crazy, right?

SPEAKER_01 53:12

Crazy. I mean, Bill drafted K shon booty, but he buried him, he buried him, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Like he's got the pop buildings too. But it was just like it's like what do we I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

We just need it. We that's why I like Matt Collins. Like, we need a six foot five wide receiver, preferably that's not 33 years old going into next season. And that would have been yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Well no, chat chat looks like Mike Evans 2.0. I know, yeah. Um and if you can get a thousand yards with Bryce Young, like right. So I I'm like that's so I might I if you would have got a thousand with Bryce, I know you would have got at least twelve with Drake. So I don't know, but my thing is are they do they get aggressive and go get you know that that guy? They should. You know, we're already hearing that Max Crosby want to come here.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Like just get a couple pieces of Max Crosby further with fucking everybody, little slut. I already wants to come to Chicago too. You don't give up multiple rounds of first round picks for an edge rusher, please. No, don't do it. No, I mean over 30. You know, how many years left of this contract? Yeah, it's it sucks because like I the bit the biggest flaw that the Bears have right now by far is that we got absolutely no pressure on the QB. We were QB pressure away from fucking uh making it to the NFC championship game and and who knows. Because like, what what did you have to do to beat that Seahawks defense? Crazy shit. So it's like that's what we were fucking specializing in. So I you know, I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying it would have been it would have been fun to see, but we have no fucking passwords whatsoever. We're overpaying guys that fucking suck. It's so hard to find this guy. So obviously, I'm looking in that in that market too. I'm looking around for these guys, and it's just like ugh, it's you have to give up so much. It's like that's why I was saying, like, the the the whole thing with like the cowboys accepting an offer. It's like I just didn't think there was an offer out there that could get a guy like that much. And it's it still pales in comparison, but the you look at now the Packers, you're like, damn, you guys actually you mortgaged your future a little bit on that because you thought you're you're one position away, and you're like, I don't know if I want to see my team do that, you know? Like that just gets a little scary in those situations where it's like you made it to the Super Bowl, you think you're a few pieces away. Like, how much value do is do you ascribe to those pieces, and what do you give up to make to make win now happen? And it's like it works out sometimes, but right then it's guaranteed.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

And you're about to you're you're about to pay Christian Gonzalez 25 to 30 million dollars a year. And then you have to pay Drake May next year 60 to 70 million dollars a year.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Yeah, you you do have to go now. I agree, but I just it's just it's so hard, it's so hard to justify giving them multiple for futures. You know, it's just to me, it's like, damn, like if all if it doesn't pan out for the Packers in the next two seasons, their rebuild is uh it they they have to wait.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Right, no, that's that's true. I I'll say this because obviously people have been making this comparison, and since we're all fans of this team, uh people kept saying this was Drake Mays, Jason Tatum was 22 finals performance. Uh so that's the case, which is that that's that's fine. You don't you don't you don't rebuild anything, you reload. Once again, you know you went and got it, you added some other pieces, and once you got the first full season football. Right. Like, I mean I'm saying but I I I do agree that it was that that's a really good comparison though. We thought that Tatum was ready at that time, they weren't collectively they weren't ready. But you know, when he got there, you know, obviously they ended up winning. I just felt like if he if he does get back there again, they'll win it. But it's just a matter of what the moves you do now will set that up because when you do have to pay him 70 million dollars a year. But the thing, but I mean you don't have to pay him early though. Like it's not like you don't you don't you don't have to pay him early.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Not this year, you're gonna have to pay him next year.

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Yeah, so it's just like you know, but can't craft just like put him on the board of directors at like Boeing or whatever, and like on the side and be like, yeah, he'll take 40, right? I I feel like they do shit like that all the time. No, no, but no, but got yeah, the way Gonzalez Like you think when Tom Brady took less money, he actually took less money, like I think he got paid the same amount. I think the I think the money was like in his resting is in his account at some point, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Like like Scott Prioli said though, on names with games and I I've always I've always felt this way, and I feel about this, I feel this way in any sport. When you win, the off the stuff feels off the stuff off the field things come. And you notice because you do the commercials with people with people, Dave. So like that that money's gonna be there.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

If you win and produce, I just did one with Travis Hunter though, and he hasn't even picked a position yet.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

So some guys just get the get the endorsements, yeah. But when you win, all the other stuff comes. Right. So take care of the winning, the other stuff will be there. Very good.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

All right, well, very brave of you, gentlemen. Very, very big of you to come in and go Celtics to eat this one. Uh, I it wasn't it didn't have the same tone and tenor as me and Ray and Bobby the night the Celtics lost, and it was maybe one of the best shows we've ever done, but man, we were fucking on suicide watch. But I'm I'm glad you guys got a couple of days to digest it. You were all very reasonable. Bobby, you were not as spiteful as Mike would have been if the situation was reversed. So I just think that shows your your your character. You know, I I was too just as a like a little sort of overall autopsy here. I was too grateful that you guys were so nice about the Bears all year for to really ever even take a victory lap on this Patriots team. But I will say moving out of New England has given me a perspective where I appreciate the New England Patriots for what they are, which is one of the dominant teams from the area I grew up in. I mean, it's been 18 seconds since you guys won a championship still. It's it's been six seconds you know, since the Boston area won a championship. It's been six seconds since you made it to one. So I'm I'm not really that worried about it. You know, the future of sports in New England is pretty much always bright, or as it has been for as long as I can remember. I mean, Jesus, speaking of Jason Tatum, the Celtics are still good. So, and I have to say, as there's a little transitionary piece, tune in because that's what we're gonna be talking about for the next for the foreseeable.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

This would be the only NHL thing we say, but I'm always saying that I saw it. I saw it last night. So I was there at the bean pot. I worked there last night, where three of the three future Bruins were on the team that won the bean pot, which was Boston University. Um no, I'm sorry, not Boston University, uh BC, no, BC one, BC one. But those those guys, all three of them scored a goal, all of them assisted on something. I mean, if they're on the team soon, they may be back sooner rather than later because those guys skated really fast and they got a score. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

So the Bruins are even good, and there's not a single player on the team except for Blasenak and I know. It's like Blasenak and no. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Not doing the Sam Darnold as this as a Super Bowl winning quarterback and talking about the Bruins in the same fucking episode, okay? All I all I know is DK's gonna open is it 50? Is it 50 bucks, DK? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Because I picked over 50 and a half. Over 49 and a half. Was it 49 and a half or 50 and a half? I think they're gonna be both, so it doesn't really matter. Let's I think we should go double or nothing. I want to know. I I think we should, as we talk about the Celtics, which is what we're gonna be transitioning into, I want to know how confident you really are in this team because we could potentially win the East. So I I'm not 100% sure how the fuck that happened, but here we are. So tune in because it's been a great football season. Leave it to the one of the best regular seasons full of some of the best games that I remember in recent memory to have one of the lamest Super Bowls. I'm sure that was incredibly frustrating for you guys. It was not great. The halftime show I thought was pretty good. I'm not wading into the debate. I think if you're mad about like the choreography of a football game, you're you got like different like different issues, but who gives a shit? Yeah, I think would be would be sort of where I land on it. But that was a great football season, gents, and I really appreciate all of you guys. Week in, week out, Bobby. Your power rankings, week in, week out. Your power rankings, by the way, we never really did this. They looked pretty good by the time the remaining teams were in it. Like there was probably a lot of talk out there in the airways of how are the Bears at six? That's so stupid. It's just because there's a bears, and it's like, well, they did. They you know, they made a pass the wild card round, like they were there with the MVP to the last throw of the game. So vindicated there. And nobody's power rankings were similar at all this year. So it's it's I you know, you stand alone and singular. And yeah, obviously, you guys did a wonderful job covering the Pats. I'm sure it was a much more fun time this year than it has been over the past few seasons. And long may that continue. Yeah, long may not continue because I believe that does make a better content-based show. And and yeah, so I just want to say thanks, guys. It's been an awesome football season, but we're not going anywhere. We will be here covering the Boston Celtics extensively. We'll talk about other shit that goes on in the world of sports. I have been watching curling and figure skating and the big jump. I I've been tuning in in the morning. I could I could say a few things or at least make a reference. It's like figure skating, you know. Expect that in the future. But yeah, it's been a great season. Patriots came up just short, bears came up a little bit shorter. I hope we see each other at this time of the year at some point because that would be absolutely electric. Thank you to you three gents. Uh, congratulations to Craig, our wonderful producer, who just had a kid. Um, so I will be probably editing this episode. So congratulations to me. All right, everybody. It's been missing the point, and don't go anywhere because we got plenty more great stuff to do.