Missing the Point

Celtics Surge, Sox Questions, NFL Rumors

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March turns into a sports crossroads, and we lean right into it. We open on the Celtics’ post‑All‑Star surge and ask the real question: is Boston’s depth finally built to travel through four rounds? From Keta’s 27 and 17 against Philly to Hugo’s two‑way punch, we break down how unexpected minutes are reshaping matchups, why the Lakers beatdown meant more than the score, and how to reintroduce Tatum without tripping the rhythm that’s working.

Then we switch diamonds. The Red Sox suddenly have the kind of rotation you can sell in any ballpark—Crochet, Suarez, Sonny Gray, Bayo, and Oviedo—but a lineup with more questions than thunder. We unpack the outfield logjam, make the case for Roman Anthony as an everyday middle‑order bat, and get honest about what happens if Trevor Story can’t give you 140 games. It’s not just talent; it’s sequencing, protection, and the courage to let a young hitter learn under real lights. Along the way, we tip our caps to the World Baseball Classic and why staging it during spring training actually sharpens edges for players and fans.

Finally, the NFL refuses to sit quiet. With a thin free agent WR class, we explore why true number ones will cost draft picks, not just dollars, and what that means for New England’s chase for a field‑tilter like AJ Brown. We also dive into quarterback musical chairs—processing versus raw talent, Kyler versus Mac in the right system—and why structure plus stars still beats star power alone. If you want a candid look at where Boston teams can separate and how front offices can finish the job, this one’s for you.

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SPEAKER_03

Welcome into the team of 1915 itself. Mike Martin alongside another OG, yeah, another OGM real DK Bob LE. It is the right just before the start of March Madness, just the start before the start of uh baseball season. We have uh NBA season is swinging and obviously the NFL is trying to dominate year-round. So we do have some off-season NFL news. But before we get into everything, Bobby, how are we feeling on this March 4th episode?

SPEAKER_00

Good, man. You know, basketball is really kicking into full gear. Celtics are looking great. March Madness is right around the corner. We both know how much I just live for those first two days of March Madness, man. So I'm feeling good. March is such an underrated sports month when it comes to like, you know, ranking of all the sports months. You know, obviously we have like January, we got September with World Series and like the start of football. But March having all the basketball just I feel like it's such an underrated part of the month. Plus, you get like NFL free agency mixed in there too, which is kind of cool. I don't know. It's a good, it's a good sports month. You know, there's there's not a lot of football, but there's a lot of other shit going on.

SPEAKER_03

They do try to dominate, uh, and we'll and we'll get to some of the latest NFL news, but I I figured we'd start off with our our Boston Celtics, fresh out of the all-star break right now. They are 6-1 post-break. They're 8-2 of their last 10 with their most recent win coming against the Bucks. They dominated the Bucks 108-81. That game was without Jalen Brown. I was at the 76er game, and I placed a parlay. Tyrese Maxie scoring 25 or more, Jalen Brown scoring 25 or more, and Peyton Pritchard having three threes. I would have never guessed that Peyton Pritchard was gonna score nothing, and that game was gonna be the Cada game. Cada went for 27 points, 17 rebounds. That was like his Marcus Blount game. Yeah, that was crazy, man. That was wild. So we talked a couple weeks ago, like just during the all-star break, right? And what our expectations were of the Celtics coming out. Tatum's not back. We don't know if he's gonna be back, and we've we kind of already kicked, you know, that dead horse. But if we have the bench and role players participating the way that you have like Kata dropping 27, Derek White, obviously always dropping 21, Baylor, you know, Shireman, 12. Vusevich is always good for 10 to 18 points. Are are we are we overhyping ourselves, or do you actually think, just to follow up on like our last conversation, is the east really this wide open that it could actually be the Celtics?

Role Players Changing Boston’s Ceiling

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, man, so I wasn't as sold the last time we talked, but I don't know if that wasn't because like I wasn't as dialed in yet, maybe. But our this team, man, I just really like the way that they're built at this point because like they they put together a team that has so many unsung heroes and so many dudes that are just happy to be playing at this level and happy to be getting a the minutes that they're getting, and B to be doing it on a team that's like at the top of a conference. So these dudes aren't just getting minutes, they're getting high impact minutes and they're thriving in that situation. I just think I don't know if it's the coaching or what it is, man, but the fact that like you have Shireman starting almost on a nightly basis now. You have Harper playing significant minutes on a nightly basis, and this guy was on a two-way contract, like what at a couple months ago. Yep. You know, you have what's the other guy's name? Oh, uh Hugo. Hugo playing huge minutes, getting getting serious, serious points and rebounds and playing just top-level defense. Like he might be in consideration for an all-defensive team. And then Keda to me, man, is just you know, we we even talk about Vuoch, but like Keda is the X factor to me, and I think can make such a big difference if he actually develops a real offensive game like he had that night against Philly, man. Like that's that's something next level. Because then Vucevic can stretch, he can be at the three, and Keda can just be like in powerhouse down low, man. It just and this is all we haven't even mentioned Derek White, Peyton Pritcher, Jalen Brown. Well, or I didn't mention well, you I didn't mention Peyton Pritcher because I met on him. He did nothing. You did, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But I'm just saying, like, the there's so many contributions being made from guys that like you just wouldn't expect. And the fact that we're doing this without Jay, well, we did it without Jalen the other night against the Bucks. Granted, it was like C-class Bucks, but you know what I mean? It just it it it it bodes very well, I think, for the future. Because obviously, like listen, Jalen's had his time, he's done great this year. He's MVP candidate at this point. You know, it's he's done exactly what you wanted of him, but so have all these other guys, man. And the fact that like Tatum still could come back and add to this team. I don't know. I'm feeling very good about what I see from the team. I am, I'm feeling very good about it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I I gotta tell you, I was at the garden uh on Sunday. I just expected Tyrese Maxie to show up and be a Celtics killer because that's just what he does. Like he's he is the real deal. I love I I hate every 76er, but I love Tyrese Maxie. Like he's he's he's the real deal. I didn't expect to hear uh over the over the PA system Andre Drummond for three, you know, twice. I didn't I didn't know that he had that in his in his fucking bag. I didn't know that he that he would that he would make two more three pointers than fucking Peyton Pritchard just took away.

SPEAKER_00

I can tell you're I can tell you're salty, you're salty about this bet, man.

SPEAKER_03

I mean any night of the week, any any day of the week, Peyton Richard three or more threes. Yes. But I you just you just assume he's going to he's gonna jack enough up that he's gonna hit. I mean, he he he took four, missed them all. But what I really loved was was Kato. I mean, again, 27 minutes. I love that, man. Yeah. 27 minutes. He put up 27 points, 17 rebounds. I mean, that that that's not to repeat myself, but that's the Marcus Blount game from all the from all those uh all those years ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, man. And it's exactly I don't know. I've always loved Keda is is the way I say like I really liked the minutes he gave us, but like if he actually adds, like I say, if he actually adds real offense to his game, it it adds such a different element to this team, and it really, really does. Like, I couldn't agree more that like that's such an X factor moving forward because we already know we can shoot the we already know we can shoot the threes. We already know Jay Lincoln cuts as a hole, we already know Derek White's got his floater, and like all these things do work and they can bring you to a championship, but like something that was definitely missing is a real inside presence, and it's been missing for years. And if that's something that Kada can actually bring on even a semi-consistent basis, you know what I mean? Even if he does that one time in a in a series, the fact that he's actually capable of dropping 27 points on a night is just that's great. That raises the ceiling of this team moving forward so much. Like there's so many things that that raise the ceiling of this team moving forward that we can see in the very immediate future. It's great. I love it.

SPEAKER_03

So, one of the things that we talked about in the last show is that you know, I begrudgingly said, listen, if the Lakers are fully healthy, like Austin Reeves is back, LeBron's healthy, and Lucas healthy, uh, they could be a team to be worried about. The Celtics heard me, and then they went and and beat the beat the Lakers by 20 by fucking 22 points. I mean, again, that was the Peyton Pritcher game. 38 minutes, 30 points. You had Jalen Brown, 32 points, and you were going against a team that was fully healthy. LeBron, Luca, and Austin Reeves all played over 33 minutes. So, well, since our our last conversation, they obviously they beat the Warriors, they beat the Lakers, they beat the Bucks with Giannis without JB. What's been the most impressive win for you?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. There's been a few impressive ones lately. I I think it's the Lakers one, though, because it was at full strength. I mean, the fact we listen, we've been we've been just beating the shit out of teams the last week and a half. We literally have. So I think I think the Lakers one is is the best one though, because primetime in in with on the national stage against a fully healthy team that has been playing much better lately. Like the Lakers have been playing much better. I think it's the Lakers one for sure. The but the Bucs won, you know what I mean? You're playing uh C League Bucks. Who did they play last night again? I forget, or two nights ago. They played the Bucks. The Bucs, yeah. And who does the Sixers the night before that, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so the their run since since the all-target break has been Warriors, Lakers, Suns. They lost the Nuggets, Nets, Sixers, Bucks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's definitely the Lakers. Definitely the Lakers, for sure.

Statement Wins And Schedule Lookahead

SPEAKER_03

I I just like the I I like the caveat of them beating the Bucks by almost 30 points with Giannis playing without JV playing.

SPEAKER_00

It was new first game back, Giannis, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, Hugo dropped 18 points and 16 rebounds in 35 minutes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was the most impressive part of that game, for sure. Hugo is definitely the most impressive part of that game. He's been unbelievable, man. I love Hugo. He's been he's been everything you could ask for him even more, without a doubt.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm coming if we just want to look at their at their schedule. Obviously, they they play the Hornets tonight, but here's what their schedule looks like in the next couple of days. You got Hornets, Dallas, Cleveland, San Antonio.

SPEAKER_00

Those are two tough ones. Those are two tough ones.

SPEAKER_02

Okay OKC. Like those are next.

SPEAKER_00

Those three games are huge. Word on the street, just throwing it out there, is that we could see a possible return. I mean, it hasn't been announced, so I feel like it's not gonna happen at this point. But we could see a possible return from JT in that Friday game, is what Bill Simmons came out and said. I mean, you know, believe what you want out of Bill Simmons as well. But against against Dallas? Against Dallas. So then you bring him back against Dallas, so then you have you rant, you know, give him a couple minutes of that game, and then you have him for that stretch against OKC, against Cleveland, you know what I mean? So you have him against those guys.

SPEAKER_03

I'll be so pissed if if they delayed his comeback by five days. Because at home, start of a three-game homestand or three out of four at home against Philly was I mean, the and they even moved, they flexed that game to prime time. But listen, I think if I'm them, I probably wait until the 14th. You're you're back at home against Washington, then you have Phoenix, Golden State, Memphis, Minnesota. Because if you bring them back, if you bring them back, it's Dallas, Cleveland, San Antonio, OKC.

SPEAKER_00

That's tough. That's tough. That's a tough, tough couple stretch.

SPEAKER_03

Right. And I mean, I think San Antonio, obviously the Spurs have gone, they're they're they're doing amazing this year. They're what they're second in the West, 44 and 17. But they're the biggest downfall for them is they if if they get into a shooting match, they can't keep up. Like obviously, Webby's gonna put up 30 and 20 for sure, obviously, right? But I don't know. I I I like my chances against that team.

SPEAKER_00

Great. I like our chances against anyone that can't put up 120 on a consistent basis, essentially, because I know that we can do that if we're shooting the lights out. Jalen's cutting like he has been. Offensively, it's it's pretty tough for us to go what under 110. Like I can't remember the last time that we scored less than 110. But yeah, I I I I guess San Antonio to me, it's pretty recently, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, it was the loss to Denver uh like last week. Okay, but 10103.84.

SPEAKER_00

That was rough. Okay, yeah, that was a tough game. We gotta escape that game.

SPEAKER_03

I understand why I don't remember it. I don't I wouldn't want to remember that either.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was rough. But yeah. I don't know. I I I definitely like this against San Antonio. I mean, you should all you gotta do, like you said, you just throw all your bodies at Wemby. You throw your you you body Kate Kata on Wemby, you make him muscle him, and then you have White shut down Vassal, and that's pretty much it from there. You know what I mean? Hope is great. Do you put Kata and and Vucevic in at the same time against Wemby? I would. Yeah, I would. I would throw everything you have at Wemby when he's on the court. You have to, you know what I mean? Because he's just I mean, he's he's everything to them. I mean, even though the other night they absolutely beat the shit out of the Sixers, and Wemby only had 10 points. So that's that's a little scary to me that they can do something like that, but you know.

SPEAKER_03

If he if he dials up his his game to to Joker level, where you know Jokic can put up 30 points, but then he's he's also gonna get give you like 18 assists. And it's not the 30 points that kills you, it's the fucking 18 assists.

SPEAKER_00

Right. 100. 100. That's why that's why the nuggets haven't been what they were a couple years ago because you took away all those pieces that he was feeding the ball to, and now it's just Jokic without those guys. So agreed.

SPEAKER_03

And you fire the head coach a week before the playoffs start.

SPEAKER_00

That definitely didn't help. That definitely didn't help.

SPEAKER_03

Cleveland's won nine out of their 12 games with James Harden. How do we feel about this? Are are they for real, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_00

No, no, because we know what James Harden's gonna do in the playoffs, you know what I mean? Listen, yes, it's great that he's doing this right now, but we know what he's gonna do in the fucking playoffs. You know what I mean? So, like, I'm not worried about regular season James Harden. I'm not, you know what I mean? He's gonna put up his numbers, he's gonna his team's gonna be in the top four, whatever conference he's in. It happens every single year, and every year everyone's like, oh, this is the year. It was the same thing with Philly, same thing with Brooklyn, same thing with Houston. You know, everywhere he goes, it's been the same exact thing. So no. I'm not that worried about it. I mean, it's so you took a team with Cleveland. Like I I love Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley, Garrett Allen. I think I think they're all great players. But you took a team that already has consistently underperformed in the playoffs year in and year out, and then what you did as the solution was bring the player who underperforms in the playoffs year in and year out. And he's gonna be the savior. Like, I'm sorry, no, I just don't, I don't see it. You know what I mean? I just don't.

Al Horford’s Exit And Frontcourt Fit

SPEAKER_03

But what about what about the the notion that he doesn't have to be the savior there? Like he is option number three and not one or two. Does that make them more lethal? Because that was one of the things that you talked kind of talked about a couple weeks back, is you know, obviously we both know that James Harden's a choker in the playoffs. We we we know it, we've seen it. Like, that's death taxes and James Harden not showing up the playoffs. However, that's always been when he's been the one or two option.

SPEAKER_00

What that's true. That's that's true. I I definitely get what you're saying, but for the Cavs to make the deep run that they're that you know we're we're hypothetically setting them up on, right? They're gonna have to get at least two to three of those big James Harden games. So it's really our can you can you bet on that happening? Because you know, Donovan Mitchell's not gonna be able to save him every night. We know he's gonna miss at least three, four games in the in a playoff run. He's gonna he's gonna get an ankle injury. Something's gonna happen to him where he's gonna miss a game. And James Harden's gonna have to be that number one option. So it's it's yes. I I think it definitely helps that he's not the number one option, that you're not relying on him to be the scorer, to be the shot creator, to be the passer, to be whatever. He's he's the secondary guy. Definitely helps. But you're gonna have to rely on him to be that at some point, you know what I mean? Like it's it's gonna have to happen. And in that moment, it do you actually think you can rely on him? Do you do would you actually bet on him showing up in that moment? If if you had a caller, no, right, no, right. So definitely not. So it's like uh it it kind of does.

SPEAKER_03

It looks great on paper, it does, but and I mean they they did just c have one hell of a game against the number one seed in the east, the Detroit Pistons, and beat them 113-109. And again, Detroit, Cade Cunningham, Jalen Duran, uh Duncan Robinson, Thompson. I mean, that's a formidable team. That's one of the teams that I would say is the most I'm the most fearful of in the east because they're they they're too young, they're too young to know what they don't know. You know, like they they don't have a they don't have a fucking care in the world. Oh, and and I love, but I do love the fact that they just beat the piss out of the Knicks whenever they played them. But I thought that the Cleveland victory against the Pistons was was a hope builder. But if you're saying that, Mike, we've seen this story before, Harden's gonna choke, then okay.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's not it, it's the combo of like Harden's gonna choke and Mitchell's gonna get hurt, and Moby might get hurt, and Allen might get hurt. You know what I mean? It's like there's so many different things that could happen to Cleveland. Whereas, in my opinion, with a team like if we're talking about teams other than the Celtics, right? With a team like Detroit, like you said, this is so new to them, and I could I think they have that like Celtics or around them from a few years ago, where it's like they don't fucking know that they're not supposed to be here at this point, you know what I mean? And and this isn't the first year of this run. I think that helps them a little bit too, where last year they already overperformed. So it was like this year they were kind of ready to take that next step. Where you know what I mean? Because it was was it two years ago they won like 13, 14 games. Then last year they came back, had a really good year, and then this year is like the year where they're he, you know what I mean? So I feel like that gradual progression is definitely gonna help them out. And then, bro, Kate Cunningham is just a dog. That's that's he he just is, man. And I mean, Greg, we haven't seen him perform in the playoffs at that high level yet. Like, he could choke, you know what I mean? We he could be a joker, we don't know that yet, for sure. But I definitely feel the upside there is higher than anything that we've seen in Cleveland because we've already seen that, I guess. So, like, I guess the unknown makes it a little bit it may it makes it easier to to see, you know what I mean? Because we've already seen the other thing fail.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. No, I'm no, I'm with you. Listen, I think the east is right for the fucking picket. That's why it's like, man, like if JT does come back, there you know, this team could be unstoppable. And we'll wait to talk a little bit more about that. But I want to, you know, move out to the West because over the last since since the last time we talked, Nuggets Thunder. That was like the big game, you know, the two MVP candidates, you had Shay versus Joker. And I mean, Shay dropped 36, 36, 36 and 9 on him, and Joker put up dropped 23 and 14. So he ousted them there. Obviously, Jamal Murray had a had a hell of a game too, but OKC's now nine and one in their last 10. Are they? Yeah, are are are they fixing to repeat?

SPEAKER_00

They're definitely the fate. They gotta be the favorites. They have to be the odds on favorites. And they've only had one hiccup so far this year. I think there's one point in the season where they had one stretch where they lost like four out of five, five out of six, something like that. But other than that, man, yeah, they've looked like the best team all year long. They've lived up to every test. And you know what I mean? STA is definitely the best player in the world at this point. I think he's shown that very clear as day. The only team, in my opinion, that can take them down is the Celtics. They're the only ones I think that are set up to do it. You know what I mean? Like, listen, I think the T-Wolves are good in the West. I think the Nuggets are good in the West. I don't think the Clippers have it anymore. I don't think the Lakers are there. You know what I mean? So, like you go down the list of teams out there, and to me, I think they're queer far and away the best team in the West. It's just a matter of who in the East do we think can take them down. You know what I mean? So what are the standings right now in the West? Read 'em off. Is it it's OK C. Yeah. So we got OKC, OK Denver.

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Nope.

SPEAKER_03

Sunset. OKC. Okay. OKC one. Spurs two. Rockets three. Wolves four. Nuggets five. Lakers six. Suns seven. Warriors eight. Clippers nine. Trailblazers ten.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, they're definitely the best team out of that group, for sure. I mean, the Spurs. We don't know when he's going to be in the playoffs, man. I I don't know. Do you think when we can put them on his back and carry them to the ship? I mean, I guess, I guess that's that's the team that you would look out for in the West. Yep. For sure.

SPEAKER_03

One another team I want to talk about in the West for different reasons. Obviously, Golden State is not turning in the right direction. They're four and six in their last ten. We did welcome Al Horford back. And I think I was a little surprised by his press conference. Did you happen to catch that? I did not. Okay. So we were at the Warriors. Sorry. We did not welcome him back. But Horford said in the press conference. The decision to leave Boston involved factors beyond basketball. He also indicated the choice to move was personal, and in his words, something that at some point I'll share with people. Why did we force Al Horford on?

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

I can't imagine. I mean, I I can't imagine what kind of riff he would have had internally with the Celtics. I literally can't put anything on it. Is there is there any kind of speculation out there? Do you have do you have a theory?

SPEAKER_03

Well, they they said also he said like following injuries to the key players, you know, specifically Tatum, uh, and a shift in the team structure. Horford felt it was, quote, simply time for me to go elsewhere. So let me ask you a question. Do you feel better about this team if Horford is the backup center instead of Vusevich and then Kata starting? Or do you feel better with this combo?

SPEAKER_00

I think I like this combo better at this point. What I've seen from Al so far this year, I just think listen, Al Al's amazing. And I love everything that he did here. But he was very clearly and still is. I mean, he's not putting up the same kind of minutes that Boots and Cater are putting up. They're not, he's not giving you as much impact on a night-to-night basis as you what you need from those two guys. So I I I like what we have right now, technically, currently, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03

I am very interested to hear what the deeper stuff was, though. Because you just felt like Al's 39. You know, obviously they were probably gonna offer him a veteran minimum deal. Maybe he'd like that was a slap in the face because again, we've talked about it endless times in this podcast. He is the most significant free agent signing that the Boston Celtics have ever made. Like, honestly, he is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was the first one.

SPEAKER_03

Literally the first one.

SPEAKER_00

He was the first one, right?

SPEAKER_03

In a in our 90-year history. But yeah, I'm I am intrigued. It it feels like there was something going on behind the scenes. Anything else you want to talk about on the NBA before we move over to baseball?

SPEAKER_00

No, just uh, you know, I'm very excited to see what the Celtics team does moving forward and the depth and everything around those star players are what's going to carry them forward. Very excited to see. MJT better come back.

Red Sox Rotation Optimism

SPEAKER_03

All right. So moving on to MLB. So we are in the midst of spring training. We have the world baseball classic that that'll be uh taking place, and we have you know team USA stacked roster. Bobby obvious obviously wanted to talk a little bit about that, but the heart of this is the expectations for the Red Sox heading into the 2026 season. It looks like they have a top pitching rotation with Garrett Crochet, Suarez, Sonny Gray, Brian Bayo, Johan is it Ovito? Is that enough? Let's just put let's just start with the with the rotation. Is that enough to be a top rotation in the east or in the eighth?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. For sure, without a doubt. I mean, the those top three are 100% a top five, top three in the league. You know what I mean? They are Suarez is is a top 10 pitcher in the league, and Crochet is a top 10 pitcher in the league. So obviously, you put those two guys in one rotation. That's top notch. That's exactly what you're looking for. Sonny Gray is a perfect number three starter, man. He just is. At this point in his career, that's exactly what you're looking for at Sonny Gray. Is 13 and 10 or 14 and 9 and like a 3.8 ERA. Like that's exactly what you fucking want from that guy. So I think he's gonna fit right into that slot perfectly. And then it takes so much pressure off Bayo now, man, because last year you were relying on Bayo to be your one or two, and he just wasn't that guy yet. Yeah, I I don't think he, I don't know if he's ever gonna be that guy. You know what I mean? Like he he folds with that kind of pressure on top of. We've seen it time and time again. So I think putting him in that four spot and putting those other guys above him is gonna be perfect for that rotation. So I'm I'm excited for the rotation for sure. Well, I know we'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, it feels like they short they showed up the rotation, but is did do they have do they have a bit of a log jam in the outfield? Because it as it currently stands right now, uh, they have Jaron Duran, Roman Anthony, Oyer Abreu, and then Rafaela. What do you do? Like, do you do you trade one of them? And if you do, who is the most valuable trade asset? Like, I what would you do? You have the keys to the kingdom, Bobby. You can do anything you want with the Red Sox outfielder situation.

SPEAKER_00

Well, so obviously Anthony's off limits. He's off the fucking table. He's he's he's he's off the fucking table. Roman Anthony is the guy right now, so he's off the table. I mean, I feel like the most valuable is probably because of what he gives you with his gloves and his bat, Abreyu. I love what he, you know what I mean? I really like Abreu. Raphael is great. I just think he's too inconsistent with the bat. So I don't know how much you're actually gonna get for him. And who's what's the other? Who's the other one more than that? And Duran. Right. And Duran, obviously. I guess Duran's the guy you ship off, right?

SPEAKER_03

So in your opinion, you're rolling with Duran, Anthony, and Abreu. Like that's your starting outfield.

Outfield Logjam And Roman Anthony

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's my starting outfield for sure. Okay, yeah. And then Raphael is your your utility, you know, come in when Raphael can play a little infield too. So I think you you wrote rotate him in the infield. So I think you keep him around. But I if you're gonna train any of them, I think you train Duran and put Raphael in center. You know what I mean? That's what you do. Because you're gonna get the Duran. And I this team is obviously clearly missing a corner infielder at this point. We went from like a riches of corner infielders to none. So it's very clear what's missing. Yeah, it's very weird. It's weird, so annoying. But yeah, that's that's that's what you gotta do. But yeah, if right now that's the starting outfield is a Brayu, Duran, and Anthony, for sure.

SPEAKER_03

So if you're the GM, right, do you make a trade or do you just ride the ride the wave right now? I mean, analysts in Boston are calling this outfield surplus situation, reminiscent of the bullpen by committee and all that other crap that we remembered from the oh uh, you know, 0203. But knowing that it's a long, it's a long season. Do you do you keep four outfielders and like you say, like you just you know, you just platoon Raphaela when you need to?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, I mean, for for the time being, that's what I would do for sure. 100%. That's that's what's gonna get you the most effective lineup moving forward. That's what's gonna get you the best out of that, those guys, for sure. You gotta find a way to keep Anthony in that lineup every single night, though. Roman Anthony cannot rotate out of that lineup. That guy is too valuable, and he's obviously in the future. Did you see that bomb he hit the other night? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. Yeah, that brings us to my next uh topic, and that is Roman Anthony. My question to you is it's actually twofold. Is Roman Anthony the next superstar of the Boston Red Sox? Uh, and does that mean that in four or six years he will be the star player for the LA Dodgers?

SPEAKER_00

That's so fucked up. I knew exactly what you were gonna ask. I'm like, oh, he's gonna ask me who's gonna be a Dodger. That's great. I can't wait for that. Yeah, so obviously he's the star. He's the guy we build around. And we've been so traumatized at this point, man. It's just every fucking time we have a star, he gets fucking traded. Oh yeah. So he's gone. So it's just we're just counting down the clock at this point.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he he is your he is your 2031 World Series MVP with the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's so fucking frustrating.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, no, he's the guy, man. And that's that's clearly why they they were clearly paving the way for him with they when they opened all this up. I don't know. I just I just don't know how they actually let because you could have had so when you have Roman Anthony at the level that he's gonna be at, if you actually ponied up and got Bregman and you have a Bregman Roman Anthony, middle of your order, yeah, but with with Contreras in there now, like come on, man.

SPEAKER_03

Come on. Yeah, no, listen, I'm with you. Let me ask you a question now. Is he a middle of the order ready right now?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think so. I mean, he's gotta be. He has to be for this team to be successful, he has to be. So I have to say yes. Because I I want to see I want to see them hit, you know what I mean? Like they need to the pitching rotation is too good not to put a good lineup behind it, man. It just is, and it's like, I don't know why we have to flip-flop every year from like one to the other. I feel like it's fine.

SPEAKER_03

So you're confident I know that we're we don't just focus on stats, but for the sake of this argument, I'm going to. So you're confident that that a man that last season, who in 257 at bats, batted 292 with eight home runs and 32 RBIs. You you we we think he's middle of the order ready. Those are Pokey Reese numbers, for fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean they're not they're not as exactly Pokey Reese numbers, but I mean, dude, he he literally has Pokey Reese numbers. When you look at the when you look at the lineup though, who else do you have to put three, four, five right now? You know what I mean? You have Contreras, and you have, I mean, Duran, I guess, but he's gonna be top of the lineup. You have Raphael is not gonna be in the middle of the lineup. Fucking Meyer's not gonna be in the middle of the lineup. Abreu, I guess, but he's not a three or four hitter. He's like a six or seven hitter. You know what I mean? So like you don't have a three or four hitter. So you you literally are relying on this guy to develop into that. So can he do it? We need him to, though. I'll tell you that. We absolutely fucking need him to.

SPEAKER_03

It just seems like you're more confident in a 292, 8 home run, the I being your fucking four. Now, my question to you is let's say that he doesn't have a great season. Let's just say he replicates what we did last season. How like how patient should we be with him? Do you think, like, are are you convinced he is the next guy? Or is he Jacoby Ellsbury? He shows flashes, but maybe not worth it.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I'll take that one Jacoby Ellsbury sees that. He could be that this year, we're okay with that.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, then he'll be a Yankee next year. It'll be great.

SPEAKER_00

I hope. Um he he's not Jacoby, because Jacoby was different, man. Jacoby wasn't he wasn't a hitter. You know what I mean? Jacoby had like one season where he developed into that. Like this guy is either. But he he was it was his rookie year, and he had the flashes, and like he's on the world baseball classic. He's doing great there too. He had a bomb the other night. So, like, I think he can develop into that. Yes, I do. Yeah, I truly do.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he went like three for three against fucking Norway, so we should make him his number four. That's great.

SPEAKER_00

He was actually against the Giants, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03

Another linchpin of the Red Sox season is can Trevor Story actually play 140 games? And if he can't, does that mean that this team is no longer a 90-win team and they're more like a 75 to 80 win team? Like, what what are your thoughts on his ability to do so? And and what does it mean if he can't?

SPEAKER_00

Well, you're definitely relying, so that's that's here three here, is the Trevor Story. So, like that's without him, yeah, we're we're in a lot of trouble. Because last year, even when he went down, like like I said, we still had Bregman to carry us through the trenches of the season and be that big hitter, and that's what he was. So you're literally relying on a guy who's never done this before. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

So we could have had Kyle Schwarber, Alex Bregman, and Roman Anthony and Trevor Story in our lineup have we just not been douchebags, is what you're saying. Yes, exactly. But now we you know have Trevor Story. So that's well, no, and we have middle of the middle of the lineup, Roman Anthony ready.

SPEAKER_00

Roman Anthony.

SPEAKER_03

Right. No, that's great. I've never I never thought you'd be that guy. Is do you as a fan expect the Red Sox to be a deep playoff team in 2026? And if they are not, is this is this hit for Alex Corr? Like, should they actually move on from him? Or are they just is the argument that they're not they're not giving him enough?

Lineup Gaps, Story’s Health, And Front Office Trust

SPEAKER_00

I feel like they're not giving it to him, man. I mean, the lineup is I just feel like they keep investing in one area and not investing in the whole team. You know what I mean? Like last year the lineup was great, the pitching staff was severely lacking. So what did they do? They let their best hitter walk, brought in a guy to replace him that was at two notches below him, played a position that you already have, and went into the pitching instead, which is great. Awesome they did that. The pitching rotation is now top notch, but like that's now all you got again. So now we're just like, I feel like we're just flip-flopping here. So I mean, I don't I don't know. I I I will I would keep him personally because I don't know what else is out there, and I know I'm I'm I'm being serious. Like, who else would you bring to the place? You know what I mean? Like, he's definitely still one of the better coaches in the league. So I just until unless it's a disaster of a season, if they're win like 70 games, and obviously he's out of here, but like if they're like 85-90 wins, well, the argument that I would just make is that to like who else are you gonna go get?

SPEAKER_03

Well, if if you're not actively trying to build a World Series roster, then you don't need a World Series manager. You know? Now I'm not advocating for mediocrity, but they're giving it to me anyway. I mean what I hate most about the state of the Red Sox as it's currently constituted in the last 10 years is that you know that they might sign one or two guys that are gonna hit and then they're gonna let them go. And if they develop a farm system and they bring those guys up, your window is four years because they will fucking trade them to the Dodgers every single time, or the Padres, like that's where they're going, or the Giants, really to California, they're going to the NLS. I'm okay with I'm I'm okay with Devers though. Fuck them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's fair. You know, yeah. No, I was okay with the Devers trade, and especially because we have Braggman. That's why I like it now. I'm like, all right, but like it hurts more now, that's for sure. Because now we we have a huge hole at third base, so it's like, come on, guys. And our and our fourth hill. There's no foresight with the moves, man. They just are like, all right, let's do this, and then we'll react and we'll figure it out from there. This this works into the budget, this this fits what we're trying to do financially. So then we'll figure out the baseball portion of it after. And it's just it's it's frustrating to see them do that. You know what I mean? It's like, or they think about the baseball, but they're not thinking about all the you know what I mean? Like bringing in Suarez, definitely thinking about the baseball because you're you're you're fixing what was broken last year, you're you're putting a stud back into the pitching rotation, which puts people back into the spots they belong in. Bay was no longer a two, you know what I mean? That fixes that instantly. But then you at the same time make a financial decision where you you you get rid of Bregman, which was a hole that we need, and creates a massive hole in the middle of the lineup and replace them with Contreras, who plays a position that we already have depth and too many guys at. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, what the fuck are you doing, guys? You know what I mean? You're you're you're you're eliminating holes here, but then you're creating more fucking holes here. It's like it's like a football team, you know what I mean? Like picking up a stud running back because their running game was shit last year and it fucked them over, but they got rid of all their star wide receivers because now they can't fucking pass the ball anymore. It's like, all right, guys, well, what the fuck? Yep.

SPEAKER_03

It's like you we we don't know this, but we know it that in all the meetings at the beginning at the at the end of a regular season, we know that Red Sox ownership says, what is the least amount of money that we can spend to put an 88-win team on the field?

SPEAKER_00

To make sure that people still show up in the seats.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. Yep. Get give them a competitive August and September, and then you know what? Anything can happen. And we listen, we bought in last year. I mean, I don't I can't speak for you. I bought in last year. Like, oh, uh we with that series against the Yankees. We're gonna fucking wait till wait till we take two out of three, and then and then we just get fucking spunk. Right. So I get it. They they had me, but now it's you're you're kind of fall, you're kind of falling back into the the trap, which is you know, I'll believe it when I see it, and I don't want to do that to a a team that is responsible for one of like my the great my young adult life, you know? Yeah and Ray says this all the time, and I agree with him. When they're on, this is still a baseball town. Boston is a baseball town and city, and it's just a damn shame that these own the ownership doesn't care.

SPEAKER_00

They really have arena, they have because every time you think there's promise, you think it's there, man. They they just got it, and they've done it multiple times now, which is very frustrating. But yeah. I don't know. I I do have hope for this year, though. I do. I I think the rotation should be very good.

SPEAKER_01

I you what you're saying. I agree with you, but I believe that they're gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00

I don't believe they're gonna be good. I just think they're gonna be good enough to be, like you said, in the hunts in late September. You know what I mean? They're they're gonna be hunting for at least a wildcard spot for sure. Let me ask a proposal. The pitching rotation is too good not to be.

SPEAKER_03

I agree. What what would have to happen for the Red Sox to break your heart again?

SPEAKER_00

No, they I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

It's it's gonna take on the field, not not trading Roman Anthony, who's an all-time for you know, 800. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, I don't know if they can do it anymore because they already like I already walked in on them fucking my best friend. You know what I mean? Like by trading Mookie bets. So and took them back. So like at this point, anything they do, you're like, well, you know. Yep.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, we had me, I guess. You had Mookie, you had Devers, who what was it? Who was the shortstop? I already forget him. Xander. Xander, I mean, that was your core.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, Benintendi less so, but like, you know, yeah. It hurts. You know, I'm still hurt by that. So, like, anything they do at this point, whenever they bring it back, I'm like, oh, you know, it's cool, it feels good, guys, but like they're waiting for the other fucking shoe to drop still.

SPEAKER_03

So Bobby's like the you look at the girl, you're like, Man, she she does still look pretty good. Maybe I should nope. I remember why I remember. There it is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there it is.

SPEAKER_03

There it is.

SPEAKER_00

It's exactly what the Red Sox are at this point. Exactly. This is the perfect parallel to draw for them.

WBC Buzz And Timing Debate

SPEAKER_03

Give me your world baseball class. Classic tidbit because you care about our our we're like the monstars in this exhibition.

SPEAKER_00

This this this lineup, man, is just so good. The fact that you have Bryce Harper, Alex Bregman, Aaron Judge, all right in the middle of that lineup is just gonna be so fun to watch. Terry Scovel's a little bitch because he's like, I'm gonna throw 50 pitches and I'm going home. It's like, all right, team. Represent the USA. What's that? I don't know. I I'm just very, very excited. I think they're gonna dominate and win. Them in Dominican Republic is the matchup to watch for sure. It's gonna be fun, man. It's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03

Should do you think that they should keep the timing of this, like to have it during spring training, or should it be more like the Olympics are for hockey and you have it mid-season and like a two-week stretch? So like get rid of the all-star.

SPEAKER_00

I like where it is because I think it ramps up really well. And like I guess you're ready for baseball season. You know what I mean? It's like, all right, we're a baseball class week, and I know the players love it. So I think you uh you can't change it in my opinion. I I think they love it where it is, it it ramps them up really well. Well, it gives them competitive baseball at the beginning of the season, and it gives us something to watch. Like I say, it adds to that march, man. It makes marks so much better. It's great.

SPEAKER_03

All right, so we're gonna move on to the NFL because they dominate year-round, and there has been some news for the fifth straight year, it feels like, uh, heading into free agency. The New England Patriots are without a number one wide receiver as they just cut Stefan Diggs after deciding that that they were not gonna pay him$26 million, which I completely agree with. Um I mean, again, a year after uh coming off of an ACL tear at 32 years old, he he he brings in a thousand yards and helps lead that team to a Super Bowl. The Steelers are cutting John New Smith. We see that uh uh the Chiefs traded a corner to the Rams, who they desperately need.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03

Uh and George Pickens has been uh looks like he's gonna be franchise tagged. It has been franchise tag. So Bobby, where do you want to start?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I obviously want to start with Pickens. Um I just I really hope they come to some kind of agreement there, man, because that offense last year was just so electric, and I just feel like they're actually gonna try and build towards a little bit of defense in the draft. So if you have any possibility of bringing that back, you absolutely have to. I don't care if someone matches it and you get and you can get two first. I don't give a shit. I don't want two first-round picks. I want that offense back. That's what I want. So I just hope Jerry actually ponies up and does it. He already ponied up and gave Javante his money. Javante Williams is coming back for, you know, we actually don't need a running back for the first time in like fucking 10 years going into the uh right since going into the offseason is great. I don't know. I just want pickings back, man. I I really hope they come to an agreement with him. And it seems like that's what they're working towards. And then from there, she's building defense. What do you think? Do you think AJ Brown's going to going to New England? That's that's what the rumor is. He wants to go there. He wants to go there.

SPEAKER_03

And there's and there's no guaranteed money left on his deal. So listen, I would love that. I personally believe that with a guy like AJ Brown, it kind of looks like he's given up and quitting on the on the Eagles, right? So bring him into a situation where he loves the head coach. I mean, he's he's gonna get a hundred plus targets with with Drake, and that's a real number one. Like you have a real number one now for the next two to three years, and you and you have to do something. Because I do think like we're in a situation right now where if we have a number one, we have I would argue we have three number twos. And that's a really good wide receiving core. Now, if you have just three number twos and no number one, we've we've seen kind of that story before, right? What do you think about about David Montgomery going to the Texans?

SPEAKER_00

I think so. It instantly makes Jameer Gibbs the top three fantasy pick next year. I'll tell you that. So he's gonna get he's gonna get hurt. It's great. Yeah, he's getting yeah, he's getting hurt for sure. I I think I don't know what I don't know what the Lions are doing. I don't know what the fuck they're I I is Mont Montgomery wasn't even up for a contract. I don't understand the thinking behind it because I I thought that duo was electric in Detroit. So I my takeaway is what the hell is Detroit doing? What are they thinking? Obviously, uh they're thinking they Gibbs is gonna handle more of the boat more of the carries, but good move for the Texans, though, for sure. Montgomery's a workhorse man. He can he can be your RB1 a hundred percent. He he he's I mean he's a bruiser, you know what I mean? That's what he does. So I think he can handle uh the workload in Houston for sure.

SPEAKER_03

And we also saw like in that scheme, Joe Mixon was having a great a great season uh two years ago. And I would I I I would say David Montgomery is is a little bit more of a of a touchdown threat than Mixon is. So like that that could really change the offense that obviously needs some overhaul down in down in Houston. Do you think Aaron Rodgers is going back to Pittsburgh?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it doesn't seem like Mike McCarthy is ruling the idea when he was asked. So I I mean, I think that would be hilarious if he went back to Pittsburgh. I I don't think that's what they should do. I think that would be fucking stupid. I think you're throwing another season away if you bring back Aaron Rodgers to be your quarterback. He's obviously not getting you to a Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers is not a Super Bowl winning quarterback anymore at this point in his career. I think that's very clear. Uh at top level, Aaron Rodgers wins you 10-11 games, and that's like at best, and gets you to like the divisional round and then you fizzle out. That's like best case scenario. And you're not gonna be averaging more than 23 points a game doing it. I can guarantee you that. Like, there's just no way.

SPEAKER_03

So do you go if you're Pittsburgh, do you go and take a look at Kyler Murray?

SPEAKER_00

I think he's a better option than Aaron Rodgers is. I do. Well, that's ringing endorsement. No, it's not, but I mean that's that's what we're that's what we're doing right now. Is would you rather have Aaron Rodgers or Kyler Murray? So yeah, I think he's better than Aaron Rodgers for sure. I do.

SPEAKER_03

Because right now it's the thought is that Kyler's going to Minnesota, and if that's the case, then you literally let go of Sam Donald. I can't believe I'm saying this. Super Bowl winning Sam Darnold to to keep JJ McCarthy just to go get Kyler Murray the next season. Like, what the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_00

Very crazy. I have I have a good one for you. How about Kyler to Atlanta? I think that would be cool. I think he would look good in Atlanta, but then Mac Jones to Minnesota. That that that is the one I feel like Mac Jones can make some real noise in Minnesota because I think O'Connor would do great with Mac Jones. He's pretty much Sam Darnold 2.0, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_03

Oh if first of all, I don't like that Sam Darnold 2.0 is now a compliment. Do you know that like it is at the expense of the fucking Patriots? However, I don't hate that. I mean, I think there are some listen, you have Justin Jefferson. Like, what are you doing? You have to like JJ McCarthy is well, who's the better thrower of the football? Is it Mac Jones or JJ McCarthy?

SPEAKER_00

Mac Jones is. I don't think there's a question in my mind. Mac Jones is a better throw of the football. Okay. Which is insane.

SPEAKER_03

So would you rather Kyler Murray or Mac Jones?

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Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Because you've always been you've always been big on Kyler.

Quarterback Musical Chairs

SPEAKER_00

I have been big on Kyler, man, but he's he had he has had one good stretch, which was like that nine, nine or no, ten or no run when he had DeAndre. But ever since then, man, it's just been so up and down. He's been so inconsistent. He has he has moments where he's fucking amazing. He makes amazing plays, but he's just not he's not a winning court. He he's not gonna put together a 29 for 36th game for 378. You know what I mean? Like that's just not who Cowler is, and he'll never be that guy. So I think I would rather Mac, man. I think you have a better chance of winning over the long term and over the long haul of a season with Mac Jones. I do. With the right scheme and everything like that, I really do. Don't you? I mean, do you do you disagree? It's crazy to say, isn't it? Remember, Kylian was the number one pick, man.

SPEAKER_03

I think Mac Jones with the right offense, as you've seen, with the right offensive coordinator, head coach, will make better decisions than Kyler Murray. Who has more raw talent is Kyler Murray. But at the end of the day, right? Yeah, I to your point, I I do think, yeah, Mac Jones there could be could be very interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Could be very interesting. In 2026, raw talent just isn't enough anymore. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like I in in past times it had, but like there's so many smart schemes now in the NFL, and there's so much good coaching and so much athleticism, all there's so much raw talent now. Where it's like that's just not enough anymore, man. It's just not. If if you just have are relying on raw talent and you're not breaking down the game in ways like other quarterbacks are, like it's just never gonna be enough anymore. It's just not.

SPEAKER_03

Is uh before we go, let me ask you a question. Is Alec Pierce is he a number one wide receiver?

SPEAKER_00

No, Alec Pierce is a deep threat.

SPEAKER_03

Because he is the highest ranked free agent wide receiver according to ESPN.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy. Who else is on the list?

SPEAKER_03

So we have Alec Pierce, and then by the way, number four overall free agent. Number 12, Mike Evans. I don't I love Mike Evans. I do. I love Mike Evans. He's 33 years old.

SPEAKER_00

Alec Pierce over Mike Evans? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

It's Alec Pierce, Mike Evans, Romeo Dobbs. Like that's your top three wide receivers in free agency. That's off. That is off, man. And then Rashid Shahij, he's not a one.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, he's just a speed guy. There is no ones available, essentially.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, there's yeah, there's no ones.

SPEAKER_00

So you're either going after if you're trying to get a one in New England right now, it's Ari Brown.

SPEAKER_03

Or Mike Evans.

SPEAKER_00

Or or Mike Evans or Iuke. Also, you could try and go get IUK. You're all set with that? Yeah. I'm all set with that.

SPEAKER_03

I think I think we dodged the bullet there. I think we dodged the bullet.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it seems like it. And honestly, based on what I said, it seems like it's a big piece of shit. So it does. He quit. He he they literally paid and he's like, bro, fuck you guys. I'm out.

Patriots’ Path And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_03

Based on what I saw, I do think that if the Patriots draft a guard. Or they sign an offensive tackle or a guard. You know, I if you want to give Will, you know, T-Rex another shot, whatever. So if you if you think that Will Campbell is your starting left tackle, great. Get it go ahead and pay for uh pay for a guard. I think Drake can spread the ball around enough, but you can't do that if you're gonna lose digs. We don't know what's gonna happen with Hunter Henry, and you now you have three twos. So go get AJ Brown. Because it's not like it's not it's not like the Patriots to overpay for Mike Evans, and you're gonna have to at this point.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, because there's nothing else out there for anyone to get. So wide receivers are gonna be they're gonna Mike Evans is gonna cost someone a pretty penny to take him back.

SPEAKER_03

That would be sick, though.

SPEAKER_00

Just to say Mike Evans in New England.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I wouldn't love it, but yeah, it would be yeah. I fucking love Mike Evans, so it looks like it.

SPEAKER_03

This is good, Bobby. Anything else you wanted to talk about before we go?

SPEAKER_00

No, I think that's it, man. I mean, I can't wait for Mark's madness. That's gonna be amazing. Yeah. Best two days of sport. Maybe we'll do a breakdown of that.

SPEAKER_03

I probably won't do that, Joe. But uh, for the real BK Bob Kelly, this is Michael Marcangel saying thank you for listening to this point. We'll talk to you next week.