TIP 'Movie Night' | Max Spiers - "Bases 37: The Max Spiers Collection" with Miles Johnson (2014)

In this raw and unfiltered 2014 interview, Max Spiers sits down with Miles Johnston for one of his most explosive conversations ever recorded. From the quiet streets of Broadstairs, Kent, Max pulls back the curtain on the hidden world he claimed to be part of — mind-controlled super soldier programs, interdimensional warfare, ET kingdoms at war in the stars, and the continuation of Nazi black projects.

Max reveals shocking details about:
•  Genetic and mind-control programs running from before birth
•  The Committee of 300 and the forces “above” them
•  Bloodline programming, hive-mind systems, and blood group manipulation
•  Secret underground bases and the creation of hybrid creatures
•  The music industry’s role in mass programming
•  His personal awakening and the extreme backlash that followed

Filmed while Max was house-sitting in his late grandmother’s flat, this is pure, unscripted disclosure — no holds barred. Sarah Adams also joins parts of the conversation, adding her own perspective.
Years later, Max would be found dead in Poland under mysterious circumstances… but in 2014 he was still speaking freely.

If you’ve ever wondered what the super soldier programs, interdimensional wars, and the real power structures on this planet actually look like — this is the interview that delivers it straight from the source.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Well welcome Max on a rainy day. Rainy rainy. Rainy Sunday. Broadstairs. Yeah. Typical English summer.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Shun Shine and Chalvers. Yes. Well, on the way here we've got some messages about blood group B and the KGLFs. Okay. From a researcher that's been with the Bases Project for a very long time that's doing a heck of a lot of work. Specifically involving the Nazi um bases. Right. The concentration camps that Barry King was uh was referred to in Germany and the y and the use of contr concentration camp victims in precise blood groups. And you concurred uh that uh she was just messaged me saying that uh the Germans are very interested in blood group B and they used this in the programmable generated life forms so they could then take grey souls.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Right, and you superimpose that into the the body. Okay, I I I don't I think that the Germans are not only interested in blood group B, I think they're also extremely interested in um uh any of the rhesus negative blood, particularly O negative and actually AB negative. A B negative is the rarest of all of the rhesus negative blood groups. But going back to B, um B positive or B negative uh blood group works like a hive blood group, works like a hive mind blood group. Um not to say that anybody who has uh B blood is not an individual themselves, it's just on a collective level, they are working for a single agenda without knowing it. So um if you if you could um amass um a huge amount of people with blood group B, then you could have a sort of an army working for you, and um each individual would be would be unknown that they are actually part of of the collective.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Well that would be some kind of a um gang stalking situation there. Um where you can get an awful lot of people who would respond to that. Well, yeah, because there's a lot of people who have um blood group B. Now it's interesting from my point of view, and also some more work that's been um data that's been published, um, is on Andrew Power has written a very important book about Ireland, Land of the Pharaohs. Yes. And um Ben the Hospital Porter has uh done a bit of an analysis on that and had a chat with Andrew Power. He's he's um Andrew Power is somebody who's did some research about um the the matrix control of of Ireland and how the Battle of the Boyne is actually a ritual and not a battle. But the important thing about this is another person has found out that Northern Ireland is very highly recent negative.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Okay. So from the point of view of programming people, yes, it's a lot easier to do, and that's why you have in a northern Northern Ireland is a is a is a extraordinarily locked down facility, you know, and um the okay the the the the the the upside to having um O negative blood or Rhesus negative blood is that um it has and and absorbed um absorbs a much higher amount of oxygen into it. So the body allows far far more oxygen into the blood. So for example, if you were a runner or if you were a fighter or if you were did anything physical, your endurance um would be longer and you would be more explosive. The downside to having rhesus negative blood is that um they run out of steam very quickly, they have to stop and they have to regroup and then go again. The the O-positive blood has a much longer endurance, it's just it's not explosive. So if you have if you had an army of uh rhesus negative uh team, a team, an army of rhesus negative, then they would be excellent in a very short term. They could destroy uh something that's necessary very, very quickly. It's just um that only lasts for a very short period of time. They're very explosive, but they may burn out quickly. So you'd use them hit hard. Hit hard and then pull out and then use your endurance. But they do hit harder than any other of the bloodstreams, and they do, and then there's the nature of the blue blood because the oxygen into the blood, then uh it's a higher copper content, thus um when when oxygen hits the blood, it turns a t a slightly bluish colour. So uh is that related to the greys or reptilians or the two families? Um most most of the um most all of the reptilian beings, the Alpha Draconis, and well, I mean if there's there's six or seven types of uh reptilians that are on this planet, some snakes, some velociraptor looking, some actually look like dinosaurs, but generally they have the shape-shifting ones have all have uh rhesus negative blood. You don't okay, so with the super soldier topic. Um the benefits of having the rhesus negative are that they are it it is easier for the queen, quote unquote creen bee to take control of all the rhesus negative because they are working like that. But they do have um O positives working also with them. It's just the O positive um are a lot more difficult to control, but through trauma. I mean, it's like we were talking about earlier, a lot of the children die when they go through this process, but the ones who do survive, the the O-positives that do survive, are extremely um beneficial to that because the um endurances go on and on and on and on and on. So, what about the current situation?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

The last thing you mentioned, a lot of the children that died in your program. Yeah. Did you really describe what your program involved? And of course, this connects us with James, who's now been arrested.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Okay, okay. Um so I have um flash sort of memories, and they they they start from really when I was at the first school that I went to, which was uh in Sussex, and um I started to have memories then, and then um after that they were sporadic. So then after that I sort of remember um being uh so first of all, maybe five, six, seven years old, then nothing, and then more like 11, 12, 13 years old, and then when I uh then I sort of blocked it out. Then as I reached my mid to late twenties, um I wasn't able to block it out anymore. I think that I um began to use drugs or alcohol because I didn't want to face what was going on.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

When did you start this? When did this happen?

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Well in terms of in terms of you uh um self-abuse in that way. Well, it started when when I was very, very, very young, when I was two, three, four, five, I have met multiple memories of things coming into my room and uh some it always it always happened in the room, and they were some some nasty things. Uh what do you mean by nasty things? Sort of sex sexual intrusive sexual things. Um I remember I remember seeing a lot of witches, sort of minds that stereotypical looking sort of witches. I would be taken out of my bed, I'd sort of float above my bed, float, float, float up through the roof of the house, up further and further, and then I'd go through a set of black clouds, I'd go above the black clouds, and then I'd sort of see even almost like a stereotypical looking uh Macbeth, the witches of Macbeth, sort of round a cauldron, and they'd be cackling, and then when I'd see that I'd go into shock and I'd freeze, and then I'd kind of black out and feel myself lying back in the bed again. So because this went on continuously when I was very young, and I used to call from my parents, and then after a while they stopped coming, so I had to start dealing with it myself. Now, uh when I was 15, 16, 17, um, all I I'd sort of forgotten that that had happened. When I was 15, 16, 17, uh something happened, and um I s something triggered me, and I think it was probably a f a very close friend of mine said something, and I heard a click in my head, and I remembered all the things that had happened again. What happened? Um, all the things I just talked about, which were the um unpleasant things as a kid. I they all came back at once.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Do you think when did that happen? I mean, do you think you were being deprogrammed or something?

SPEAKER_00 8:45

I think something was happening where um I mean the the main desperate the main thing that they didn't want to me is to ever, ever remember anything like this. They want me to remember, they want me to think that I've had a straight, uh normal sort of life with its ups and downs that everybody had, but um this is my reality is this, and that's what it was. And when I started to remember when this happened when I was 17, I freaked out. I panicked. And when I panicked, I had all these flashes back that when the sun started to come down, I started to get this terrible, terrible feel like something bad was going to happen. So what sun? What was the sun? I don't know what it was really, but I was fine. I I would usually, this is in England, I was you I would usually be fine up until about six or seven o'clock. And then when the sun started going down and started getting dark, all these feelings started to invoke inside of me like whatever happened when I was a kid was about to happen again. So I started to self-medicate, and I found I used to drink wine with my uh What do you mean by self-medicating? So I used to drink wine with my mum when I was 17, 18, and I found when this started to happen, I found I w I'd I'd have a glass of wine or I'd have a beer or whatever, and slightly these feelings and these memories would subside. So I'd I'd sort of worked out, well, shit, you know, if I don't want to f I don't want to feel these things anymore, so uh I found something that will repress them. So that um so that was around 1718, and when I learned uh the medication to sell how to self-medicate, it sort of uh perpetuated itself from there. So then I learned, okay, well, I don't want to feel that way, I'm going to do whatever I can to not feel that way. So what happens is when you keep repressing and keep repressing and keep repressing, um, it sort of becomes like a boiling point. You can only press to repress to it to uh uh to a certain extent before everything comes out in one go. Um there had been a number of times through my twenties when I had realized that using uh that that addiction had become part of me, not for fun, but it had become part of a way of life for me because I didn't want to address any of those things. And it does work very well because if you use that, you are then you can basically believe or convince yourself that none of this stuff ever happened. Um leading on from there, as I turned towards 30 years old, um uh I had a complete uh snap.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

In the um monarch program, yes. It it's it seems that once you hit about 30, the monarch program starts to do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

It seems to me that the um the alters and the programming start to bleed through and break down around that age. So if and and I was part of um alpha programming and beta programming. Alpha being um there's delta programming as well. So I I was actually thrown into into uh all of those things, but they started to bleed through I turned 30, uh just past 30, 31, and there was nothing I could do about it. Delta delta Delta those categories of programs just yeah, yeah, yeah. Delta programming generally is is a form of assassination or a form of uh getting information through um physical means. Um yes, so this is it's it's sort of uh your basic um uh uh military attack programming. That's what that is. Um that's Delta. Beta programming is uh used 80%, you usually 80%, which is monarch, 80% of women, and there are 20% of men which are used, which is also um sexual programming. So giving and receiving information through a me sexual means. So um a spy would be able to go meet up with somebody, have sex with them, and then download the information that was necessary from the person to collect it into their cells, then go back to whoever you are working for, have sex with this person, and then download the information to this person. So it is all done through um that means. Now, how do they do the download?

SPEAKER_01 13:13

How do they do it? When you say download, do you sort of look at somebody's eyes?

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Okay, so as soon as the s the sexual act is um done, then the the two energy fields of the per of the people merge. And um, if you are shown or trained in a specific way, pro most often unconsciously, then this information is then downloaded to the energy field of that person, and then you can be hooked up to a machine or you can have sex with somebody else, and then that person gets the information. It's being done a lot by the Russians, they're sending out uh 13, 14, 15-year-old girls out into certain areas in the US and the UK, and sex acts will be done by with high businessmen, and that the information then will be taken and given back to where the KGB, if that exists, it you know what I mean. So it's been still in use, it's very effective. It's it's it's it's very effective because nobody thinks that that is the way that it's done.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

And then the whole point is that the actual person themselves doesn't know doesn't know that they've they've got the information. Yeah, absolutely. Most often. Right right. And then the other thing is that if you get rid of that person, your resources you haven't really expended too much resources. No, because there's plenty of other ones who can do the job again. Now, is this where these children are collected? Let me fulfill.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Okay, so going back to that, so when I was talking about the children who were involved, so so the the the um I I'm gonna mention Montauk, um and um which is j you know just off of New York. I'm not exactly sure that it w I was in Montauk, but um the descriptive when I look at it, it is very familiar to me. But wherever I was, it was an identical layout and setup to the Montauk experiment. And then there are a number of of other ones just exactly like that.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

This is very important because Lisa is doing an awful lot of work on this and she's collaborating with Peter Moon, who's written a lot of the Montaukes. Peter Moon's yes. You know, there's a whack of stuff going on there connecting with this to concentration camps. Yeah. But there's there's smoke signals which indicate that Ruddle Manor, yes, uh, and Warminster very close to devices in Wiltshire, uh, may have had some kind of involvement with this stuff, but that's only just little whips of smoke. The thing is that a previous uh soldier who's spoken is saying that the stuff that he the stuff that he was exposed to was in the artillery. Uh it's just horrendous stuff.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Yeah. In terms of that, uh what what I have seen is I've seen those um spiders that are about it's I have to be it's when I see them, I'm in an in-between state. It's not like I can look up and see them now, and it's it it's just before I fall asleep, or if I'm in a tw like an in-between state, that's when I see them. And they're about this big and they they seem more mechanical than actual beings, and I've seen them many times, and sometimes maybe three, four, five, six of them crawling across the ceiling. Not only that, when I was uh living in my an apartment in Los Angeles, I went, I fell asleep uh one time, and I knew I was under attack at that moment, and I heard these things rushing and across the ground, and they they were squeaking and they were sort of scuttling around. And when I looked at them, I could when I looked, I could see that they look, they sort of looked, I know it's gonna sound strange, like gremlins. They looked like actual from the movie Gremlins. And they sort of seem to be mischievous things to uh to cause sort of more chaos, and they always seem to be around when there was shadow, these shadow beings around too. So whatever these little scutt scuttle things are are are controlled.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Well a lot of people and I see these things. The the ones that run along the ground? Scuttlers. I saw them first in a transmitter. Carrie Castley says she's seen them, uh Lisa's seen them, um some of the crop circle people have seen them, uh big things, very large ones.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Yeah, these one these ones I see are about this big and they look like gremlins. They have ears like that, they have teeth, they're yeah. They make noise and they laugh. Uh they're just like mischievous, like running around things. And they're they they're not not nice. No, they're not nice, but they're not evil, but they're mischievous and they're they're working for something. They sort of hide things and they sort of uh they do they bring around sort of negative energy too. That ties in with something that uh I if I can just say this, this ties in with something very bizarre that happened. I was living in an apartment 222, which ties in with these things. This was in Los Angeles, and um one morning I got a letter in the mail, and the letter was um addressed to me, and it was from something called the Neptune Society. And I'd never well, I'd driven past when driving down Ventura Boulevard in Los Angeles, there's this huge building. Uh uh, you can't really see there's windows, but you can't really see anything about it, and on the top it says Neptune Society. That's all, there's nothing else. So I was I'd seen it since I was a kid, I'd never knew anything about it. I received a letter in the mail and it said the Neptune Society. I opened the letter, and the all the letter was saying it says, Dear uh Mr. Spears, have you ever considered um uh being cremated when you die? Cremation, and it gives me all these reasons why cremation is a far better uh way to go than being buried. And it was about this long, and it was uh signed at the bottom. If you have any more queries or anything else, please don't hesitate to contact us. So I left it on the side of the breakfast area where I went where I was, and then I went to sleep that night. Well, at three o'clock in the morning I woke up and um I heard this crackling sound and I sat up and the whole of my kitchen was on fire. All the front of the uh breakfast area was on fire, the food was on fire, the flames were like coming off like this. Now, was this a lip actual or ver virtual? It was actual flames. Alright. All the top of the thing was burned, and the letter that was on there had b uh completely burned out. I ran up, I jumped, I put the fire out, um, and also all the gas was turned on. All the all the gas from the oven was turned on. Ah. Now uh that would be one way of cremating you. Uh yes, I thought that was extremely doesn't do a very good job, though. Um and um I had uh feelings it was connected to the Hellfire Club.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

And because you mentioned the Hell Hellfire Club is interesting because I think it involves Jimmy Savile and also the methodology of Marie Kayali's daughter's incineration, attempted incineration in hospital.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

They like that. There's something of because there's something about the element of fire which allows these beings to come through. The Ring of Fire. Yes. Well, then you go back to the Johnny Cash song that's I w I The Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash, he's talking all about that. That's what he's talking about. It's a hellfire ritual. But when I left, when I got up that morning to leave the house, there was a black suburban, tinted windows, suburban sitting outside the front of my building, and on the license plate it said blow you up. And as I woke up. So they were basically that was in the dream. This was real. Oh, this was real. The flames were real, waking up was real, the truck was the car was real. So they're basically letting you know. That was 2011 that happened. Um and you know what day it happened? It happened on August the 12th. And August the 12th is a very specific day because it is connected when when Sirius is at its highest point in the sky. August 11th, 12th, and 13th are called the dog days because the dog star is the most visible. Now, Crowley got married on August the 12th because um he sees it as um when Sirius has its highest effect on this planet. And he was trying to do uh he was trying to bring in another. That wouldn't happen every August the twelfth, would it? What's that? It wouldn't happen every year, would it? What doesn't happen every year? That Sirius would have its most every single year. Okay. And um at that point, so there are negative and positive positive factions coming from Sirius. He was trying to open doorways to bring the uh uh certain ones from Sirius through here. Um when you when I started to get close um to what was going on with that and what was going on with the dog days, um they wanted me out. And um I I I I I was okay. It was fine. But there was a couple of other things over the next on the 13th of August and the 14th of August, um, there was a couple more attacks that I had. Out of nowhere, um my whole apartment became infested with cockroaches within a 24-hour period. Cockroaches coming out of everywhere. So now is that is that an actual placement of grop of of them, or is it somebody did materialize them in or I think that um I I was being uh it was the heaviest attack that I've ever had. I mean, this is the kind of thing you only sort of see it in power movies. Yes, and it was absolutely real. Um on top of that, what did you get rid of them?

SPEAKER_01 21:58

What happened?

SPEAKER_00 21:59

Um I I went and Told the landlady, I said this is going on, and um I had to stay out of the apartment for a week and she sprayed everything and um got rid of the majority of them, they didn't come back. And has this happened to other people?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

I mean, was it just a dirty apartment or something?

SPEAKER_00 22:13

I mean, was the same thing? No, no, no, no, it was a it was a very it was a very nice apartment. Yeah and it was but then the the the number of the apartment was two two two, which is a residence of it's a resonance of me because that's my birthday, two two two.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

But um And the important thing about resonances is that's a mechanism of getting things through.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Yes, two two two is also a doorway. Right next to the front door of the apartment, there was um there was uh a hall, uh like uh an archway like this, and uh three o'clock in the morning again, the next on the 13th, I think, um I I what I thought I got out of bed, I went went to go over, I heard a noise, and um something came out of the wall. Um what it was the c I I think I was dreaming, but I was half dreaming, half awake. It looked like a pr it looked like the stereotypical uh what predator looks like. I don't know what they are, I'd never seen one before, but when it came up to me, came close to me like this, it was still for a second, and then um it screamed, screamed in my face to invoke as much fear as possible. I had learned at that point I was very uh had a deep understanding of Solfeggio and sound harmonics, and I knew the harmonics to do with my voice to try and help it, to try and uh get rid of it. I did the sound, which is the hue, H U, it's a certain frequency sound, and when I did it, um it sort of blended back into there.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

This period of time. This this is important. I mean, it wouldn't necessarily be that sound from anybody else's voice. For your voice, yeah, it works. Yes, yeah, the hue sound, yes. Yeah, you can find that on YouTube, it's yeah, but for other people it wouldn't necessarily work if you hit it because of the base basically the resonance of the voice is the important thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yes. There are certain sounds, there is a certain sound that they cannot um stand, that they that they panic and they they run away from.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

And um Well like in this in the spoof science fiction comedy film, you know, Alien Invasion, so from Mars or whatever it is. Uh Mars Attacks. Mars Attacks. Yeah, they're at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Well, there's a lot of truth in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

They used um Yodeling country music as a means. That's funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, so that that was um I I stayed in that apartment. Just while we're on the movie, uh anything in that is true that in uh well I don't know the movies well. I know they live, and in and the movie they live, and in they live, there is a sound, there is a frequency, I don't know if you remember towards the end, that Roddy Piper goes to, and it's a frequency that's being beamed out, which uh enables these um uh aliens to look in human form. And when he breaks this frequency, then they're all seen. Yeah, yeah. I I've noticed since we've changed to digital now, um uh my my senses have become extremely heightened, and I even when I'm just listening to the TV, or even when you turn the volume down, I hear this uh sound frequency coming from the television that completely um messes with my pineal gland.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Now this is important because another member of the bass's back room, so to speak, right. The thing is that he had devised a device to encrypt records on CDs so that it wouldn't be able to be uh copied. Right. But it was a type of acoustic thing as opposed to some kind of digital tr trademark encryption. Right. And when he played this um in the record executive uh the board, n a number of the board just freaked out because they're reptilian. So completely freaked out, I'm sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah, so there's a particular sound that they cannot stand, yeah, because it it it it alters the the holographic projection that they they're keeping. And I think um and uh it's a misconception that that that they are actually shape-shifting. Some are, but it's a misconception. What they're actually doing is altering your visual cortex to make you think you're seeing them that way. Absolutely, yes. And this is very important as well, you know, because you can see that that that's the truth. They're not actually looking that way, they've just um uh manipulated your mind to think that they are. And that must work through all kinds of visual media, otherwise you'd see a lot of these English walking out on TV. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've noticed a lot of news readers, because they're doing that as an indoctrination and conditioning. If you look at newsreaders, because they're the ones who are in your in your house every you know every day, look carefully at the newsreaders, it's slowly uh drip drip, uh conditioning you to accept. BBC is the worst, I think. Yes. I mean ITV, I can't watch it. I heard the ch I heard somewhere that the the be the the true acronym of BBC and it's it's not British Broadcasting Company. And I can't remember it now, but you might want to look into that, yeah. Also it also it comes up to seven. B2, B2, and C three seven seven is the number of the serpent.

unknown 26:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

And it's interesting that in the early days of broadcasting it was a British broadcasting company.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Not the corporations, not corporations, so now it's okay. Okay. So there's a lot of things. There's some radio amateurs who are trigged about broadcasting. Something happened. Yes. They're beginning to see like when broadcasting started and we adopted the types of broadcasting we use. Sure. They've noticed that something started to happen in society. Yes. And this of course links with my stuff about Carolina and all that sort of stuff. Can I just go ruffling about MK Ultra switching off at 30?

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Yeah. Um, okay, so I can tell you what happened then uh so in March of 2008 I was living in a um a shared house in um uh the north the north part of the San Fernando Valley, which is in Los Angeles, and um I started I mean I I I've I've never I never had voices in my head. I never had that, I never had that before. I just sort of had um an understanding. But that night um in March of 2008, right around just after when Heath Ledger died, um, and Heath Ledger the he played the Joker in Batman. Oh he died on January the 22nd, which is interesting because the number 22 is in sync with the Joker card uh and and the full card in the tarot card deck. And so there was, you know, there's all the um And being a Joker and all that.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Absolutely, yes, you're suggesting that basically the Batman movie is got some kind of ritual magic involved? Absolutely, yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Yeah, absolutely. And um why was he murdered? What did he uh he he he was murdered he okay well his real his real father uh wasn't the father that um we that that is shown to the public. His real father was a very famous actor, and I've forgotten his name now. Um he he uh he did a lot of theatre in the in the fifties and sixties, I forget his name. When it when it comes, when I remembered, I'll I'll let you know. Why is it necessary to have a different father than your real one? Well, they often will take in the public domain. They they'll often take because they don't want any association and th they they like to um try experiments and and a lot of it is lab rat stuff to test out, but But I mean it's also you get ha you get lumbered with being so-and-so's father and nobody watches you because of that.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Right. Right. Oh I I think some you just just make sure your plugs in.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Um, anyways, so in March March of 2008, um some strange things started happening happening to me. Um I had some extremely vivid dreams, and then I got uh taken out of my body and shown that uh my life as I thought it was was not that the the uh the memories that I had, my childhood memories, were not what I quite thought they were. And um for about two weeks period of time I was shown memory after memory after memory of um what was really going on, and I remember being shown that taken to um underground facilities uh at different points, some of them in uh Sussex, some of them in Kent, and um some of them with people who I knew from school, but um would have no clue that they were involved at all, at all. And um I would sort of come to on a on a mini on a on a mini bus or a bus where there may be three of us on one side, three of us on the other side, and sort of in a dazed state, and then we'd go to go somewhere and then black out again. And uh this sort of led for me to I was seeing it from um in the corner of the room, but we would give it being given tests, and they would give uh something. Who was giving you for the first time? Okay, so there was a woman at the front. How was she dressed? I mean, was she not l not uniformed, but very well dressed, you know, dressed up as if uh she was a um a banker or a businesswoman.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Well that must imply that it's in some very salubrious of environment where she has to be dressed.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yes, and there was also underground. So it was below. Not I'm talking seriously underground, but it was below where I mean you were taken down to the lifts. How do you know you were underground? Well I was driven down. There was a there was a there was a slope that we were driven down under, and then then it was down there. Me and these three other uh six five other kids that were there, some boys, some girls. And I and uh but when we were there we were sort of in a dazed state, so we weren't communicating with each other. Do you remember any way and how you were collected? Really, I only remember all of a sudden being in in the van. I don't remember being taken, I just remember all of a sudden being in the van. And being uh sitting in in sort of like rows of desks, and then uh uh it was very cold and there wasn't it wasn't war there was no warmth coming from the people that were there. There was a male who was standing by the door, a female at the front dressed as I was saying, and then uh somebody would bring round sort of but it wasn't a Rubik's cube though, but it was like an unfold it was like a there's a there's something called Rubik's Magic, and it's where you unfold it like this, and then you have to put it in again and fold it to try and make and they do were doing tests to see how fast certain ones were able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

That explains um uh it's one way of testing a form of of visual conceptual, yes, yeah, yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

And I felt like but um when they put it down initially I was like what what you know what what what am I supposed to do? I have no clue what I'm supposed to do, and then they said just do it. And then I started touching it, and as soon as I started touching it, I I uh immediately knew how to do it, and I did it very fast. So some of the other kids, some of the other kids and the kids were at the time when this was going on were about five, six, seven years old. So I was looking back at a previous memory rather than something that was happening now. Um that was it's just painful to remember. It's it's because it's so um because it doesn't fit into the the timeline of what I thought my life was, it's sort of very confusing. It doesn't make sense who allowed that to happen. Why why why was that okay? Where were my parents at the time? Um I remember, and this sort of ties in as well when I was living in Lewis, which is um in in Sussex as well, I was very close friends with uh a little girl, her name was Meredith Kennedy, and um I was very close with her. Both of her parents were scientists, and often they used to take her and I to um Sussex University Lab. There was a lab there, and I remember I remember getting in the car and being driven there, but then when we'd get driven there, uh the mother or the father would leave, and then we'd be left in the car, and then then there's some strange things would happen in the car. I kept thinking the car was rolling, rolling, and then sort of went dizzy, came to, came back again. But I have flashes of memory going into inside of the lab. Now recently I've looked into it more, and Sussex University is an arm. There is an arm of Tavistock that works right out of Sussex University. And my uh very close friend at the time, Meredith Kennedy, her mother also worked for the Stan for Stanford, Stanford Research Institute. So used she used to go back and forth from Stanford to uh Sussex University. And Stanford then can was actually continuing the work that Tavistock had done, um, uh, you know, which was which was began by Freud and and some other ones there, so that they could completely understand how to split the mind and um basically program one personality into the left brain and one personality into the right brain, where each one, I mean it's sort of similar to um trauma-based mind control where you create altars, but this was very specific. So they would play so they could do that without the trauma. This would this particular one was being done without trauma. I mean, there was enough trauma that I was left there without trauma. So it's not working. The trauma thing is dis has is a crude way of doing it. The trauma they're they they're not really interested in in they're trying they're interested in trying out all different types of methods. This particular one, which was done by a doctor called Robert Speary, S-P-E-R-R-Y, and Dr. Rotten, and he was um one of the Nazi scientists. And what he wanted to try and do was to see if he could play sounds, words, uh stories, music to one side of the brain, and then play completely separate one to the other side of the brain. So then it confuses the brain and um splits it off. So then you can program one and program the other, which then creates um massive confusion as the child gets older because it's not sure uh whether it's coming or going, sort of thing. This also induces addiction because um then they created pharmaceuticals that were specifically made for people who'd gone through that trauma. A lot of the um uh opiates that were created in the United States were there made specifically because they knew that these kids were going to become and were going to search that out and find it and become addicts to it.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

And this is important because in the Channel 4 programme Confessions of an Alien Abduct tea, they make a they made a big issue of Chantel and the Kentucky Fried Chicken, so the placement of Kentucky Fried Chicken with the with the special mix in that has been described by others as an abduction food. Really? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

So the use of that could be a double trigger? So KFC in itself is a basic anagram of fuck, right? If you just if you just oh switch those around the other way. Is the old grand grandfather image on that a st uh a trigger as well? Yes, absolutely, one hundred percent. And the grandfather image on there, when an if if somebody from Asia looks at this uh man's face, it looks Asian to them. If a white person looks at it, it looks white to them. So that's it's very, very cleverly done like that. And the man who um the man who who who was behind K KFC doesn't quite look like that, but um he was also a master programmer, handler, slave handler. And he when when the trauma was done by him, you would be shown a face of this KFC, the the actual thing. So you'd be keep flash that face, flash that face, so you'd keep being drawn to I have to say that me even mentioning uh that person's name will trigger her.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

I'll get a huge amount of abuse immediately for saying that. Okay. Because it triggers, and I think that that means that the relevant people involved at Channel Four were were deliberately triggering, and it should be interesting to note that Marie, Marie Kay Ali, when she was waiting at the station to come down to do the four programs she did with me in Wiltshire, met the producer of that programme. But anyway, that's the side issue. Really? Okay. Totally random issues. Yes. Improbable probability. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Now, towards the end of this thing that happened to me in March, um, I was spending time with uh two, a male and a female who are older than me, 20 years older than me. And I don't want to mention their names because I don't want to um cause them any trouble, but I do know that they were um assets and that one of one of I can mention the name of one of them, his name was James Chandler, and he was maybe in his uh late mid to late fifties. He grew up on an Air Force base. Um he grew up from when he was two. That's a familiar name. I've heard something like that. Now, Chandler, you take the C off, you have Handler. Now, when I was going through this massive trauma in this this this this onslaught of memories that came back in March, he would ask, he said to me, Look, come around, it's everything's gonna be fine, come round here. And I was having an extreme, I didn't know where I was. I would wake up, get go to my car in the morning, I'd look on the foot on the ground of my car, and I would see receipts that said that I'd bought something at three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the morning, and uh I was sound asleep in bed at that time. So um no, I found the receipts.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

So what had been happening was there any dirt in your clothes or anything at all to indicate that you'd been outside physically?

SPEAKER_00 39:32

I was woke up with clothes on. So um uh I had gone out and I had done something and um uh bought something and I had absolutely no clue. So anyway, I went round to these people's houses and uh I sat down on the ground um it w in in the house, and this was uh these two people were there, and I said, Max, why don't you have a lay down? Have a lay down, you know, you don't seem very well, you're bright red, nothing's you know, you seem like you need so I lay down on the ground, put my head on a cushion. As soon as I put my head on the cushion, I su well I felt like I sunk into the ground. Uh I then became paralyzed. I couldn't move my legs or my arms, I couldn't open my eyes, but I could hear everything that was going on. Within about a couple of minutes after that, um I could hear bells ringing and I could hear these things, sort of incense smelling. And I heard a chain like this being like there was something here, and it was like incense being spun around, like this. I heard ch the changing of clothes, and I heard um ringing, stuff like that. Now I heard them talking about that um uh that they had been waiting to place whatever um this ritual was going on, they had been waiting for it, and it had to be done in this house, and they were going to try and attempt to place uh I don't know what you'd call it. It was some sort of um entity that had been locked down for a very long period of time. What do you mean by an entity locked down? Okay. Well, when they started to do the I I was stripped naked, and when they started to do this ritual, um there was some form of sex magic going on in the ritual, and then I felt something, um, I I heard sounds and I felt something being placed into my body. Now, before we get there, but when you say what what sort of creature, what a long time, any idea? Well I saw it in my mind's eye, and what I saw in my mind's eye was an enormous um sort of uh sort of a uh maybe sort of a sort of a minotaur looking being with uh two horns, muscular red, uh green, and it had been shackled, had been chained by its ankles, chained here like this, and I could smell brim, I could smell burning uh rock. I could smell it very, very, very, very strongly, but I couldn't move. Okay, then I saw whatever was going on, then was projected and put in, layered slowly over the with the words that were being said. I heard chanting and words that were being said that was layered into um that somehow attached to my chakra energy points because I was at a weak point. Generally, when you're at your weakest point, is when they'll go for it and do it. Um uh then I blacked out, nothing more. The next thing I know, I'm sitting on a couch. I'm sitting back on a couch and I feel extremely powerful. I feel like I want to jump up and run a marathon. I felt so, so strong. Now the woman came in and she said to me, Max, you haven't been doing too well. Why don't you take a drink of this? I go, What is it? She said it's electrolytes and it's this and it's that, and it was bubbling and it was in a cup like that. And um, I had a feeling inside of me that said, Do not drink this, because if you drink it, it's going to reinforce whatever has been done, and you will be stuck. So I was sitting there with it for about five or ten minutes, and um she was saying, Why haven't you drank it? Why haven't you drank it? and uh and I sipped it and it tasted unusual. She came in again and I spilt it. Spilt it all everywhere on the ground. She she panicked like that, went left, went back and made another one and brought it in. And this time I did drink it. And after I drank it, I was sitting there for more. I felt like the feelings I had were like I could get up, I could lift up. I had extreme strength. Okay. So I was left there. Then the other guy whose name is Drake. So do you actually lift things up? Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

I felt like my strength has increased by five, ten times. So you essentially seems are being programmed with the strength of a minotaur. And a minotaur being half human, half bull?

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Yes. Then they they brought me some food. Okay. They said, look, you've got to eat. As when I tried to eat a sandwich, they brought me a subway of all things. When I took a bite of the subway, the subway tasted like burning metal. Every time I took a bite out of it, it tasted like burning metal. So I spat it out and put it on the ground. Now I asked myself in my head what's going on, and then something said to me, You're tasting that because the thing that has been placed inside of you has been biting on these chains for thousands and thousands of years. And now you have taken on that inside of you, so everything is going to taste like that. But not to worry, it's only going to last three days and it'll be gone and you'll feel fine again. So this uh that went on, that went on. Two hours later, after that, something happened, and my body went rigid, and whatever was inside of me was rejected and left. And then I felt it just it walked out. I mean it left me and I did how did it do? It just it sort of like I felt whatever it was uh couldn't stick or didn't stick and sort of moved out like that. At that point, this guy James Chandler brought a picture of my uh picture of um somebody who's related to me over and uh showed me this picture, and then they said, Um, if it doesn't stick in you, it will certainly stick in him. And um don't worry about that, it's failed for you. So then uh as it's failed, then you need to be taken out. And so then I got this terrible fear that um yes. And um so this went on, and um I went back into the other room and crashed out and fell asleep again. When I fell asleep again, I would there was two um officers, not what seemed like Nazi officers, standing either side of me. What uniforms did they have? Uh they had the old uh World War II uniforms, what from what I can understand, the stereotypical Nazi World War II uniforms, and they were standing either side of me. And they had told me that what's going on right now is that there have been hundred-year war battles for the last thousand years, and at the turn of every century, these wars are won or lost. And each time and that that he said that we that this particular faction had been winning for time after time after time after time. They said they set up all of the Formula One wins, all the World Cup wins were all set up to to to show um how much in power they are.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Yeah. Okay, and they're just saying that a lot of horse racing uh things seem to have uh magical logos on them.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Yes. In horse racing. Yeah, and it's but yeah, it's basically a ritual every time. But they showed me the seals over where they'd won. So they were gold seals, um one on top of the other, on top of the other. And they said that the final battle is now happening now, and that they have they were already in a position to win. And they were thanking me, and I said, Well, look, I don't know, I haven't done anything, I don't know anything about it. And they said, Because you don't remember yet. Then um I crashed out of sleep again, and I haven't ever talked about this miles. I crashed out of sleep again. Then there was a thing, it looked like a gargoyle, but it was as big as this room and had black, black wings, like bat bat wings. Picked me up like this, pulled me back away from the earth, away from the earth like that. So I saw the earth like this. There were rings around the earth, different colored rings around the earth. And this thing pointed out each one of these was thought prisons, were a thought prison. And he said, It doesn't matter which one of one or one of the people on this planet get caught up, it doesn't matter which thought prison they get caught up in, whether it's Scientology, whether it's Christianity, whether it's atheism, it doesn't make any difference. As long as you are magnetically drawn to one of them, we have you. And he explained how all the thought prisons were layered around the planet. And he explained how they were made and um How were they made? They were made with the will of the creator beings that want to keep this place together.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

So that is the will of the of the Archon, or what the name, or does it make any difference if there's a name?

SPEAKER_00 48:14

This particular group, the I I I feel this the the ones who I was talking to were um connected to the Alpha Draconis star system. And I do believe that the Aldeberron um group and that the Alpha Draconis group are at war. And um I believe that the um it's it it's an it's been an ongoing war for eons and eons and eons. And the Aldebaron group, which is the bullseye, which is in the uh Taurus constellation, where you see the red left red eye, that's why you have this symbol all the time. It's it's say it's it's an acknowledgement to the Aldeberron people. It's called the Royal Star. Um, all of the British royal family are directly connected to the Aldebaron group. When you're talking bad or good or evil, or it's it's a little difficult at that point because I think it's perspective of the person, you know what is bad or good when it comes to that. They I think they feel what they're doing is is good.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Well, since they're not actually human, it's from a human perspective.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. So they have been using the sun, which is uh Helios, which is the real name for the Sun. The Sun Helios is the entrance point to get into this 3D realm here. So they're using that as a vortex in out point.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Um that's the significance of the 39 steps. But also Saturn, um, you I think you'd mentioned earlier that Saturn was our original.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

Well, Saturn was the original sun, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Saturn, yes. And Saturn got pushed out. It was uh, in truth, a more efficient sun and a better sun. But then um they somehow they caught that sun and imprisoned it. The ring around the sun, the ring around Saturn is an imprisonment. It's imprisoned. Saturn isn't bad. Saturn is an you know another word for where they take Satan from because it's the controlling force, it's Capricorn. But it's it's related to the ringmakers of Saturn, of course. Yes, yes. And Lord of the Rings, and the principle is that. So the ring, one ring to rule them all, would be the ring that contains that is around Saturn. Which is, of course, was a key thing in 2001 and Yes. Yes. So there were no planes that hit the building, they were holograms. Why do you switch to that? Uh because I was just thinking about 2001, and they were just testing Project Bluebeam out um as as far as they could. It wasn't even a missile. It was it was uh what was pro Project Bluebeam? There's an awful lot of stuff about Project Bluebeam. Project Bluebeam originally um well they've been trying to do it for a while because um you know the Michael Talbot wrote that fantastic book, The Holographic Universe, um, and it gives absolute proof that what this particular frequency we're living in is is is totally holographic, and you can build here through will. If you want to build something, you use your will. If you know what you're doing, you can manifest it that way. That's holographic. Now, um, what they've been doing for a while is going to you know Iraq, which is actually um Sumer. Um there, there is information and um uh ornaments and the spoken word, because when when they say the spoken word, it just means a certain frequency, which is the frequency that holds this this together. They were going, they were they were attacking to go to the museums to find that out. Yes, absolutely. And there are only a few people who know how to go there and translate actually what is going on. You know, and obviously they they call it Babylon or Sumer, and they say that's the beginning cradle of civilization. It obviously isn't, it's the cradle of what we know as the known timeline we have now.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Which is the whole point of Andy Paris, but because the uh the airish, the people on these islands were the ones who re-civilized after Great as Hasbro and met those who emerged from Giza.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

Absolutely. I think it's important to bring up the tribe of tribe of Dan, because the the the tri the tribe of Dan is is is the line that comes all the way through, all the way through there uh from Atlantis, the the sources from Atlantis, coming through Sumer, um Egypt, um south of France, all the way up, and now they've Denmark, there's a there's a huge amount in Denmark, but it's they're all in Ireland. Danny Boy, oh Danny Boy, is really about old old Dan, you know.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

And in order to hold an Irish down, they've generated this uh conflict situation, which means they're too busy fighting each other rather than finding out what's going on. Yes. But there was this Great Awakening in the late 1970s, so we'll have to see what happens there.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I just what's happening, and there's always the this is going in 36,000 3,600 year cycles, and there that's just that's just one. And then there's even an an even bigger cycle than that. And right now we're at a window opening point where you can, if you know what you're doing, get out of this cycle, this soul trapping cycle thing that we got caught into. Which is what you referred to uh in the opening remarks of uh when we met at Canterbury.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

In terms of the key. The key was symbolic, yeah. The key was symbolic. I found out I um since my grandmother died, um, there, you know, there were a lot of secrets in my family, and I found out a lot of different things that I that I really needed to do. And since the last discussion were actually in your grandmother's apartment design? Yeah, yeah, yes, we're here now, yeah. Yes. Um and I I I came across a few things that that really helped me put into perspective what's what's gone on with me, and um the free Masonic connections and the the the the Templar connections and um Rosalind Chapel um and Roswell actually, who it's actually connected. So but um so so there's a Masonic connection with this alleged crash at Roswell.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Yes. A ritual. There always is, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, even uh what what I really was looking at for the longest time is the priory of Sion, and I think that if you can really break down what's going on with the Priory of Sion, you can you can have a very good idea about okay, so the Holy Grail is not a little literal object, the spirit of destiny is not a literal object. These are um symbolic of the the spirit of destiny is symbolic of a phallus, and the holy grail is symbolic of a um a vagina. So um and what's the point of the symbolism there? Uh really. Why this great symbolism? Because because because those beings those beings communicate in that way. They don't communicate in the linear way. Everything that they do is done through sim sim their langu their language is symbol they use they speak through symbols. Even uh even as hieroglyphs, they're symbols, that's how they communicate. It's a much more efficient um way of getting across information than uh using the uh the Western alphabet, which is uh crap.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

Well, we leave it at that for the for the second, and we'll get it at the second half. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

July thirteenth, take two, take one. A lot of people have been interviewed in the past. Do you want to talk about any of them briefly?

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Um You mean the people that you've interviewed before in the earlier bases? Yeah. Uh sure. I would like to I'd like to address anything, you know, that that's that's come up for me.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

I'm gonna in other words, I'm gonna leave you to mention any names. If you want to do this, it's entirely up to you.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

Okay, yeah, yeah, that put points me in a in a negative light. Um Okay, so we can go back to uh really the beginning of 2010. Now I'd I'd uh I'd spoken to Michael. I'd spoken to James Caswell before then. I'd spoken to him really. Him and I were corresponding in 2008.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

When did you first meet? Were you part of the same program?

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Right. Um I I knew I knew uh James Caswell from from when we were very, very young. My first real flash memories of him were around when I was five or six years old in Brighton. And I think I've talked about uh the thing that happened there. But um, you know, him and I I remember him uh playing video games with him then at a specific uh swimming pool in in Brighton, Hove, in Hove, actually. Um so yeah, I mean that there's bits and pieces of memories there, but uh uh um as an adult before we get that far. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

Are there any other children involved in this collection of children that you're a part of?

SPEAKER_00 57:02

Yeah, yes, there were. Um none that I can say, oh oh this person's this person, this person. No. There were majority of them were English, but there are a couple of American girls there too.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

How many?

SPEAKER_00 57:18

Uh how many? Two. Two that stand out to me. Two American girls. Yeah. One I know, one nobody else, none of the audience will know. But they're still alive? Yeah, yes. Well, you mentioned that a lot of them have died since then. Well, in in in this is a separate group than than the Brighton one, but in a separate one, um, I think what happened is when when when we were being used for they were testing out how far they could push the trauma. Because when you when certain sex rituals are done to uh a child under five years old, when they are when a child is raped, when a child is raped, and when a when a male child is raped, what happens is it releases the um coiled serpent or the kundalini, which is at the base of the spine, and it uh is opened up before it should be. Everybody has the kundalini rays at some point, maybe not everybody, but it right, so so it means coiled serpent, and it sits at the base of the spine, and when the serpent uncoils, it goes up the spinal column like this, and comes to the brain stem there, and um that you come to uh an enlightened understanding. So you become an enlightened one or the illuminati, the illuminated one. When a little when a child, when a male child is uh raped before the age of five, it goes through something called the vasovagal shock. Now um when it's penetrated, the the uh coiled snake um uncoils very, very quickly all the way up the spine to the top of the spine and explodes here in the brainstem, which then shatters the consciousness into many, many pieces like smashing a mirror.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Then um So all this ritual china, all this kind of abuse that's been happening with many politicians, allegedly, a lot of stuff coming forward now about British political parties, British media, British thing, and all that. That's a huge amount of stuff coming out now.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

It's all part of that. You cannot be in a high-level person in the Illuminati unless you have been illuminated by the key of Solomon. Now they call this rape, they call um rape like that to a young boy the key of Solomon. And when that when that happens, um you uh when it bursts up here, it shatters, then you are able to program these different altars. But not only that, when it shatters there, you uh you have a photographic memory, you're uh it it's for some somehow it raises the IQ, um, it does a number of different things. Everybody who is in position of power now has had the key of Solomon used on them, so they have been uh raped in that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Which means that the whole structure of power in Britain, yes, the UK, probably Ireland, because of the recent terrible things about 900 children, eight hundred children ritually massacred in Ireland, uh that means the whole power elite has been Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Yes, and they won't have you in the power elite unless it's been done to you. Just out of just to just off sidetrack, Barack Obama, his middle name is Hussein. Well, um Saddam Hussein was a major handler and programmer. He was such a high programmer that he would program some of our um very high power position people through uh world leaders. And um uh Saddam Hussein programmed Barack Obama, Barack Obama, um, with that way. That's why he has Do you know any others he programmed? Um no, but I know that him and Hillary Clinton uh worked as a duo to do that. No, I I don't. I just I mean Hillary Clinton's uh Bill Bill Bill Clinton was programmed by uh uh by Saddam Hussein too. All the road scholars, all of the road scholars have to be illuminated, have to have that done to them.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Why an Arab like Saddam Hussein?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

Um well he had technology, he had hold of technology, he had hold of Stargate technology. That's one of the reasons why uh the he was a very at one point he was in one of the most powerful men on the planet, and uh the technology that he had um was um uh uh off the charts.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

This is very similar to what John Irwin has said in his book uh One Step Beyond the 16.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

Amongst other things.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:52

Yes, he had that it's sort of similar to the there's a movie called Contact, and that spinning thing there, which is able to sh uh shoot you through to different dimensions. So he had something similar to that. There's a few of them around, but he had control of that. Um he comes from he's he's a direct descendant of Genghis Khan, and that that bloodline, the Genghis Khan bloodline, who who um incidentally had the the most powerful um uh the most powerful he he he owned the most land of anybody on this planet ever. Even more, I mean the British Empire was secondary even to Genghis Khan's Empire. And whatever No, it's something that's been maintained on horseback, that seems to be a pretty big deal. Right, right, because in truth they weren't just using horseback. I mean they were they using they were using interdimensional um uh technology. Yeah. Um and uh Genghis Khan um bred with multiple, multiple, multiple women, so he could continue that bloodline.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Which I think what Casbolt's doing by doing all this contact with women, by having some kind of psychic link. There's been discussion that um it's some kind of virus, thought virus is instilling in these people.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:05

Yeah, yeah. Well he he um I think that um when the wars on Mars went on, there was a hundred thousand year war, and um a lot of us were involved in this hundred thousand year war. And while this was going on between who? Now between who, um I okay, well, so so the basis of it was between the Lyrans or the the Nordics um and the uh Dracos, because the Dracos are chasing the Nordics around because they want their DNA, because that allows them to maintain the holographic projection of a human being whilst they're here. Um so the hundred thousand, this was a long war. Eventually at the end of it, what happened was that they had to call a ceasefire because so many were killed on either side. But there was a disease that got out, a virus that got out during this war, and a lot of us um who were very involved in what was going on, generals, commanders who were up there contracted this virus. I mean it seemed as it was all it must have been created. It was created virus, yeah. And a lot of us contracted this virus and what this virus was. Um some of us took it on board, took it and and merged it, superimposed it into our own physical body to try and overcome it. And then um now a lot of us still have it. I have it in me still now. What does it do? What does it do? It's a vi it's vampirical. It's uh it's sort of like a uh uh it I mean it's like a stereotypical vampire. So what does that mean you shape shift and your teeth go along and you bite people at night? Um it it means that well yeah, but you only only somebody who was able to see or or sensitive to that would be able to see it. It's not as if I would change now and into a monster like that. So if you're sensitive, you can see it. What is the true shape then? Um of this particular one? Well, uh from from this particular um vampirical virus, they tend to look this this vampire sort of thing looks a bit like that old um stereotypical vision of Nosferatu. Very, very pale skin, bald head, sort of dark eyes and sharp teeth, like that. From the original movie. Yes, like that. Looks sort of like original silent movies? Yes.

unknown 1:05:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Yeah, and um it has the ability it it doesn't have a core here, it doesn't have a central core where it maintains itself. It sort of has a an opening here, like a like a a void. So it doesn't maintain its own thing, so it it has to it doesn't maintain its own energy force, it has to take from others um to maintain its holographic projection. And a number of us were infected by this particular virus that happened there. Why is that gonna be a a thing that would cause harm t to people? What's the point? It becomes like a parasite. Um, and and then you know you you it starts to spread and um more and more and more. So but it's it's like a parasitic virus that's on the face of this planet. So how does it spread by contact, you know, blood. Yeah, well when you start, I mean when you drain when you drain somebody else, you sort of there's never really a drain. When it when when it comes to vampires, they don't they don't just take, there is a uh exchange. So um they will take um energy field or blood from another, but then they will exchange it with their own energy. So that's why a lot of the times uh victims of uh a vampire will start falling in love with the vampire, yeah, quote unquote vampire, because they will feel the feelings that the vampire feels. Yeah. And so they will be.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

I mean, I have to say that that seems very similar to two people that that I know, two women I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:58

So that they it becomes like a a bond like you can't even ever explain, an obsessive bond. And then what what I think is uh they they're very careful about is it but if you completely drain them, then their their personality is wiped, and then they become one of them. So then the void is within them, and then they have to continue to take from others to maintain. So it's so it's a virus. I mean, literally like a virus. For me, uh, what I have come to the conclusion now, what happened with me is I um absorbed whatever that energy was, whatever that consciousness was into myself, and that's why when I was born here, or on paper, when I was born here, um I had that line go down the center of me, which was red and yellow. So um the the uh the left side of me is um uh uh higher vibrational Syrian being, a blue Syrian being, and the other side of me is whatever this virus is that I've taken. And it's been a constant internal war to try and uh uh which one wants to take over the sides, each side of it. So if the dark, if the Nosferatu type thing takes over, then I become a complete, you know, the whatever that does, which is uh continues with the virus. Or does it happen on full moons and you and you've got a oh well I have extremely weird things happen to me on full moons, yeah. Actually it happened yesterday. No, no, no, but why wouldn't it? Because when it's a full moon, um that's when um the energy I mean it's a construct. The moon is a construct in and of itself, it's like the Death Star as a construct anyway. But when you're talking about the moon being a complete artificial construct. Yeah, and it definitely is, it's hollow and it's an artificial construct, yeah. Um other information you know you know about it? Well, they they're using they're using the moon the moon as a transfer point um for to harvest salt, harvest. So so you you so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

John Lear says something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

When you die, when you're dying here, when you when you quote unquote die, you are going uh to a transfer point on the there's actually a machine, there's actually a giant machine up there, which then uh they do a lot of rituals up there as well, which then wipes uh who is it well the majority of the moon is now run by uh the uh fourth Reich. But there are so are you saying that that that spoof movie is actually quite right on, yeah. Yeah, they always like to tell you the truth with a uh with a spinnerbull shit in the middle, but um and then it's sent you're sent right back to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:31

It's got a bit it's got enough of an atmosphere for people to walk around with very minimal.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

Yeah. Yes, and and then huge uh underground uh stations and high technology, and so what you've got is you've got this Saturn as we have now with the ring around it, projecting out um a false reality pockets, false reality. It's it hits the moon, and the moon is working like an amplifier, which then creates and projects the false reality onto this planet. So we're living an inverted reality here. It's not it's not how it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:07

What do you mean by an inverted reality?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:09

Well, it's an inverted reality in the sense that um you succeed by doing bad. You succeed by b by fucking over you excuse my language, you succeed by screwing over uh your fellow man. If you're stra if that's that that that's if you want to go along with that. I don't care if you succeed, I'd rather not succeed and be okay and take care of people I love. So I'm whether or not it's success uh is not uh I'm not interested in that. What I'm trying to do is change the frequency here so that that ceases to exist anymore. You're talking about the moon. Uh the moon being an amplifier, yes. The moon being an amplifier.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:52

And um yeah, so it's interesting that they've announced um NASA's announced a contract to go to Mars with Boeing. Yeah. Using a very similar rocket to the Saturn V. So that seems like a hello to hooey for a start. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah. Um they've got two solid rocket boosters. I'm being an anarch now, but you're gonna launch the kind of weight that you expect to to lift to go to Mars, you'd expect rather more than just a big tin can tank and two rocket solid rocket boosters, was that essentially is all the shuttle had.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:25

Yeah, yeah. Then they've got the the jump the jump rooms in um on Sapalveda Boulevard, which is in um Los Angeles too, which is right. I lived on Sapalvada Boulevard with the ages of five, six, and seven, and I didn't go to school at that period of time. My parents didn't put me in school, and I spent a lot of time by myself, and um there are jump rooms at 999 Sapalvada Boulevard, which was maybe two blocks away from where I used to live. And um the nines are significant? Well, it's just I mean, as I said, everything is reversal, so I mean you you have six six six, but what really is six six six, it's not quite what's the interdimensional gate. Right, and it's also talking about raw human being. I mean, the the carbon atoms, six carbon carbon atoms, six oxygen atoms, six I think. Oh, right. I didn't explain that like it's uh well the six six six is also it's it's it's also explaining to you time, you know, sixty seconds in a minute, sixty minutes in an hour, twenty-four hours in a day. So you have six, six, six there. It's old father time, and what creates time here? Saturn. Saturn is manifesting the false reality of time here. So the big illusion is is is is time. We have such big people in the past, you know, the land of the giants, yeah, humans. I'm not I'm not sure that they're gone. I just think the holographic projection is not suited for them to to for us to see them, what they really look like. Um I think they're still here. There's a there's there's an island where they have all the dinosaurs there already, they're still there. You're talking about the movies. But that's a real place. They have, yeah, they have that. Where is that? Well, it's it's it's an island off the South Pacific, from what I mean. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg is SS. Um George Lucas is a CIA insider.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

You're saying that the good Jew like George, not George Lucas is his Jew. George Lucas isn't, no. Sorry, I talked about Spielberg. You know, and I'm not saying anything bad about these guys. I'm not sure. But all these things are relative and really the good-bad thing is is really academic, and really if you apply those sort of terms, you're gonna miss the point.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:33

Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the dinosaurs on it, well they're they're they they're still doing experiments and testing them out. They're testing out what what the abilities are, um, and if they can take certain parts of DNA from these dinosaurs and and place them into human beings, what attribu what extra attribute is.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:51

Just continuing with the stuff that uh Farry King's father discovered in World War II. Which was a lab with strange-looking humans being used, some kind of transgenetics or some kind of right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:02

Well, you've got under Dulcie, you've got the seven levels under Dulcie, um, where Nightmare Hall, which is I think is the sixth level, where they've just put everything you can possibly imagine together. Um, you know, testing out things. That's not ever gonna happen again. This will never ever happen again. Trapping souls. Because um universal law now is not is not allowing it. It's it's gone too far. I get the impression from other sources that what's been going on is so illegal. It's so so illegal, it's being stopped. A lot of these, um a lot of these ones out in Arizona and Nevada now have been just have been stopped. And uh because you've got people trapped, souls trapped in machines where they cannot stop, keep coming back and back again for torturous lifetime after torturous lifetime. There's and this has been you know over and over again. And you know, and people you talk about, well, okay, well then you know you want to leave. How are you gonna leave here? Kill yourself, you kill yourself, you're not leaving. You're gonna you're in even more trouble. So we we're all now trying to find out how we get out of this prison without walls. What do we do? We look inside and understand what we have to look inside ourselves and understand what's going on. Because really, really, all of this stuff is just a reflection of what we think about ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:21

So the 9-11 thing is a is a mechanism for controlling that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

That that that was a that was a huge um uh Stargate ritual, and between those two buildings, when that happened, it opened an enormous it was a crow, it was a Crowley ritual, and it was connected to the um the Buleskin house, uh other doorway that he didn't bother to close. But the uh the one who locked down? Yeah, he didn't close it. He couldn't close it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

Or did he not close it or did he couldn't close it?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:49

He couldn't close it. It was too much for him. He couldn't dialed in all these lower, lower fourth-dimensional beings that are here now.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:58

I didn't want to take part any lab stories to do well by.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

Yes, they I mean, because yeah, these things are we're talking about the Gaesha demons, the high, high Gaesha demons that were locked away for a long time. And why are they called a high Gawaisha demons? Well, you know, in the in the 72 Gowesha demons are are ranked sort of similar to our aristocracy here. They have dukes and princes and kings and like that. And um they Crowley wanted to release them here, and the 9-11 ritual released a whole lot of them like that, because they want to create hell on earth. They want to create well, hell is not the word they'd use, but they want to create create the lower fourth into 3D here. Yeah, because they like that. That's what they like. They like that. They they're slowly introducing some making it more acceptable that um p pedophilia is okay, more acceptable that heinous crimes are okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:01

Yeah, I think this is important that a lot of uh real bad guys are given sympathy thing and on on TV. And we don't want to push that analogy too far in the present circumstances.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

Right, yeah. There's a few names I could say, but I'm I'm I'm gonna not gonna say any names because you know we don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:20

There's a lot of um basically demonology. What does it really mean? These are other types of dimensional entities.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

They've got their own worlds to look at.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

They don't, yeah, they don't. They they're just off this frequency, they're in pockets, just they're in a pocket just off this frequency. And but they were locked down a long time ago because they caused such havoc in Mayhem. Uh the Dark Sorcerer's. Sorry, is this what you referred to earlier? This is going to oblivion that you can recover. The void. The void, you mean? Yeah, they were locked in the void. So in Superman 2, the original one, not the crap remake, uh, you see um uh Jarel locked in these three particular demons in this uh sh thing, like this, and they were locked away. Well, that's symbolic of a lot of these Goacia demons being locked down. Now, when you use Gaotia magic, you are able you can. Each one represents a different thing, maybe for money, maybe for food, maybe for power. So if you know what you're doing, it's uh necromancy. If you know how to necromancy is about the summoning and raising of these particular things, you can summon them. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:27

He was actually very, very high up. Well, he obviously must be because of the clearance, he obviously can't. Yeah, very high clearance. Which is a big alarm bell for the whole the whole echelons again, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:38

Absolutely. But you can summon these, and if you do what you're supposed to do, if you do what they say, and you you know, they'll they'll do you favours.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

And that's at a cost.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:49

Oh yeah, in the end it's at a cost, yeah. You you you're selling your soul. And they'll have you after. Yeah, and that means short-term gain, long-term loss. You can even have uh what seems like long term you can have a lifetime gain.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

But um Yeah, but uh but after that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:09

You're always gonna lose somebody close to you. Because they always want somebody they always want to take something from you that's close to your heart. What happens to those people who are taken? Uh well, they're you know, they're dealing with going to the underworld, or whatever you want to call that lower fourth, until they can get capture enough energy to re-get into a new body again. They're about staying here. They don't want to go anywhere else or raise vibration, they want to stay here. So they're fighting to get back into a body again and do the same thing again.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Which is why we've got all this thing, uh, cyber orgs, you know, be able to have machines which last. Yeah. You're well past the human life lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:51

Yeah. But there's a way of doing it where you can build, you can rebuild the flesh and blood again as well. You don't even have to have cyber cyborgs. You can do it, you can do it with uh especially with the cold-blooded, like the reptilian cold-blooded, it it it's much easier to build build the building blocks of them than it is um the mammals.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Well, that's interesting that um one of the things that the Casbolt mentioned was the certain people in charge, certain agencies had last had lived a long, long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:20

Yeah. Yes. Way more, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um the and that's a lot to do with uh it's the blood, it's being able to you can you can just change your blood again, or you can take somebody else's blood and maintain, maintain youth, keep maintaining youth. But what they're desperately after is the Holy Grail, which is uh the Holy Grail, uh which is the pr what the priory of Sion protected for the longest time. You can get hold of that, you have that's eternal life. But the Holy Grail is really blood. It's blood from a certain stream. I mean the um the Ark of the Covenant, or I think it's a good thing. That's a different thing, yes. Gold. Gold holds the souls. Yes. And gold is um soul energy, yes. Gold is soul energy. Yes. The more gold you have, the more soul energy you've got. Right. That's why they're obsessed with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:13

It's very interesting. Somebody I I know recently had a lot of really yellow gold when you could pure gold.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:20

Yeah, very powerful stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

Yeah. Um okay, you you haven't really mentioned okay, we mentioned um there's anybody else you want to want to mention?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

Yeah, um, I I think it's important that I uh that I bring up Anya Briggs because you know there's been there's been a lot that she's said um over you know the last few years, and um, you know, she she's a she she's a she know on the surface she's a reasonably nice girl. I I I did I don't know her. I don't really know her at all. Um the only the only the in my initial connection with her was that um in 2010 James Casbalt wrote a list, I think it was a list of about uh ten people on it, and on the list were what he wrote were a list of people that um were involved in MK projects, this project, that project. So, you know, it's kind of like okay, well any of these lists, any credence at all. Okay, so I looked at the list, and uh first of all, I was like, okay, well, thank you, thank God. Finally, I I can there's somebody else here that perhaps I can relate to. So this m this is a good thing, because I felt isolated and alone at the time. So I looked through the list, nothing, nothing, you know, I didn't didn't contact anyone at first. Then the next day I had a message from Anya Briggs, and it was she wrote underneath uh a picture of mine, and she said, Wow, you look so familiar, um, it's wonderful to be in contact with you. I feel like I've been biblical with you. And uh actually What does that mean? Well, actually at the time I didn't know what that meant, but um, you know, after like asking, if it means um I feel like I've slept with you or I had sex with you. So um I wrote back to Anya and I I said, Oh, you know, wow, what I I don't remember you because I didn't remember her at all. But she I said, What do you remember about me? And she corresponded with me a lot and she sent me all these things about her remembering me in the Civil War, I think, and she showed me, sent me pictures.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:21

What's it of the the American Civil War?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:23

Yeah, seems to be an awful lot of that going around.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:25

She said she and and she saw and and when she was telling me, I sort of felt, you know, like that seemed familiar. So we wrote back and forth for a while, and I on the Sorry, why would an Englishman be involved with the Civil War? Uh because um it has nothing to do with um uh you know what country you're from, does it really? You you continue on and on, has nothing to do with that. So um she she uh continu we corresponded back and forth, and um I I was just very happy to have someone to talk to who who sort of was in a similar position to me. Um I'm a I'm a survivor from from from these projects, and so is she. You don't tell somebody not to talk to someone. I I have an opinion, I have a voice that needs to be heard. I would never say don't talk to Wanya or anybody else, everybody needs to be heard. Um she she um is is acting you know like a woman scorned, and I don't have a problem with her. I don't have a problem with her, I have a problem with her slanderously speaking about me. But in general, she's a she's a human being, she's suffered, and and you know, we're all trying to come together to try and work this stuff out. Just just this little bit of other people or any anybody else.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

Um I I I want to talk about, no pressure, just don't leave.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:37

You know, I I I'd spoke to Sarah Stanger a few times. She a lot of her stories paralleled mine. And uh she's English and she's been in these programmes, she mentions James Casbolt and lots of stuff and lots of different things.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:48

I sort of remember her Sarah Stanger is a lot uh more familiar to me than she claims that James was one of was actually uh one of the people who was at I can't get quite get the term, but responsible for um oh I can't really get the term, but James is involved in here.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:05

Yeah, yeah. Uh uh and I I sort of remember Sarah too, and we'd spoken before, and she she said, uh it feels like I'm sort of like her and I are brother and sister. I don't she wasn't one of the people in your original children. I don't know that for sure, but um uh that is possible. I don't know that for sure. I don't remember Anya from any of this stuff. I don't remember I don't ever remember her. Um so um yeah, outside of.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:31

I mean we're now talking adults in the 30s now.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

What's that? Yeah. I mean, this is you know, yeah, I think Anya's all as you know, mid-40s or something, but Sarah Stangers.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

I mean, the basis thing I've been doing this for over 20 years now. Yeah. Yeah. So it's these programs have been going on a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:46

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So sorry. There are phases of it, yes, absolutely. Yeah, you know, there was one um one particular one that that that cornered the uh the group of children that were born in the 50s and 60s, and then uh the mid-70s seems to be when uh they sort of changed it a little bit. Mannequin came out in 1972, um, and uh uh the forerunners of mannequin was up at the must.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Yes, yes, yes. Oh you're you're corroborating something twenty years ago. Okay.