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Let's Talk Vine(YL)- Pearl Jam Made Babies And Charities And Maybe Your CPR Playlist

• Anthony Krysiewicz • Season 10 • Episode 1

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A city can change your ears. We sat down in Seattle and felt how tightly the scene is woven: musicians who become neighbors, venues that double as history lessons, and a band’s 35‑year arc that still bends toward community. Pearl Jam isn’t just posters in shop windows; it’s the reason for cross‑country moves, friendships forged in parking lots, and a thousand small charities that took root because the music said do more and the people actually did.

The night’s centerpiece is a room built for deep listening. At Shibuya Hi‑Fi, the lights dim, the door seals, and a needle turns Wish You Were Here into a brand‑new experience. Vintage gear, precise setup, and a no‑drink, no‑noise ritual invite you to hear string scrape, breath, and space you’ve missed for years. We talk about turning that focus into fuel for good: album sessions as fundraisers, rare‑tape dreams, and a Six Degrees tribute that connects Stax legends across time.

Wine runs through the conversation like a second soundtrack. A Syrah that honors a mentor and supports suicide prevention. A vineyard chosen on instinct days after Bowie’s passing. Why Syrah is a chameleon that speaks its place louder than most grapes. Along the way we chase joy in odd places—a 14‑mile city run, a detour into cast‑iron popcorn lore, a kid’s core memory meeting Jack White—and remember that the show is only three hours, but the life around it is where meaning sticks.

If you’re into Seattle music history, high‑fidelity listening, Pearl Jam’s lasting impact, or wines that tell a story, this one’s for you. Hit play, share it with a friend who loves records and late‑night venue tales, and leave a review to help more listeners find the show.

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Seattle Reunion And Community Vibes

SPEAKER_02

Are we good? All right. Well, look at us sitting uh across from each other. The first time Seattle. Well, thank you. Welcome back to Seattle. I know. The last time we were in this room, I think we raised uh quite a bunch of money for uh Smash. For Smash. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was a cool experience. This is a unique, really awesome place that you've built here.

SPEAKER_03

I appreciate it. Yeah, I think. And we've got a great concert tonight, too. You have a really good concert tonight. Yeah, we've got Tommy Stinson from the replacements. That's pretty cool. Playing tonight. You're gonna be here, right? I you yeah, I would hope so. Perfect. So sold-out show, it's gonna be good. We're gonna have a hundred and probably 140 people in this room packed out tonight. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, good to have you here in Seattle. Yeah, I mean how left coast.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the good old left coast, the north left, east coast, upper left, upper left. Upper left. I don't I'm not good with maps or compasses by any means. But I will say this though. So this all kind of just fell on my lap. Came out here to work, messaged you, you said you're gonna be in the area. We've only been doing the show now uh what six years in June. That's what you said. It is crazy. And uh I said and it just kind of worked out. But started out of COVID. Started out of COVID and then became this beautiful relationship. Pretty awesome. But cheers to that, buddy. 100%. But I will say this, and we're gonna jump right into this because I find it interesting. So my time in Seattle since I've been here has been filled with like just various work and then crazy evening adventures. Everywhere I've been, somebody knows you, somebody has a story about you, somebody, and it's it's interesting how this like, and I said this about like even musicians here in Seattle. Everybody knows everybody, everybody works with everybody. It always seems like there's like this community of people that know everybody and they want to work with everybody.

SPEAKER_03

It's a big, this is it's a small, big city. Does that make sense? Uh 100%. And uh even after I've I've been I moved away from Seattle in 2000, so it's 25, 26 years ago now. Um I still run into more people in Seattle when Holly and I are over. If we go to Easy Street, we're gonna see two or three people that we know over here. Yeah. You know, we go out to a show, whatever, we we're always running into folks like that. In in Walla Walla, where we live, we'll go out and there'll be people that it's a town of 35,000 people. It'll be six months a year before you like see people that are in the business or that you're that are your friends, but you just don't see them that often. So Seattle's weird, weird like that. But it's also that community side of things, like it is a very tight-knit music community. And so if you are within that webbing, you are gonna know a lot of people, and they they're gonna know people that you know, and blah blah blah. And the wine world is another aspect of that, and you know, people know me through the winery for sure. But I know a lot of these people through music too.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think the one thing too about Seattle, and this is and I said this yesterday, I was talking to my wife when I was, I we went to the market, me and Brad, and we were looking, and I just I always get mesmerized by the views here. The views are just stunning. So amazing. And it and you know, and it's even like Portland too. Like these places get bad raps from people, but I it's always the bad rap from people that never been here. Because you can't you can't come here to Seattle. You can't come to the West Coast and shit on it after you leave. Yeah. I mean, I've I mean I've had an I mean, yes, uh two days ago I went and did a 14-mile run in the city. I don't know, ish I loved it. It was beautiful, stunning views, great, you know, great looks, great people, smiles. So I I that's that's always frustrating to me when you get people to just constantly just shit on this.

Pearl Jam’s 35 Years And Life Impact

SPEAKER_03

Because you listen to the news and the fucking news. They tell you, you know, they tell you what they what they tell you what they think they know. Yeah, whatever cells. That's right. So Portland's burning, Seattle's, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Well, my daughter, who went to Portland recently, will argue that case because she loves it up there. And for a nine-year-old, she adores Portland. But no, so Seattle, let's let's go to jumble this. But before we get into that, there's something interesting too. Today's the 10th, right? Yes. Got the Pearl Gym newsletter a little while ago. Yeah. 35 years as a band, which is crazy. Yeah, 35 and a half years. 35. Yeah. They got the 35-year guitar picks, you know, out and stuff of that. And it and it always brings me back to the same story that we've always kind of talked about. How, you know, this group of guys that hit on stage. I mean, if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be sitting in this chair. You and me wouldn't be having this conversation, I wouldn't be having these experiences with my buddy Brad. I wouldn't be meeting these people in Seattle this week. And it's interesting how these people that collaborated and and grew something so special in this city, and realistically, you there's you can't go down a road into a store and not see a poster or hear a story of how one of these band members influenced them or helped grow them. So, in that sense, you know, while Pearl Gem is celebrating 35 years, those band members are selling 35 years of developing and growing and supporting this agriculture of of you know of Seattle and growing it to another level. Look at how they affected your life and this business and all those things. It's it's really amazing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean that's you know, I moved that's why I moved to Seattle in 1992. So had brutal job not enter entered my life, I can almost guarantee you I'd still be living in Georgia. Like I have no doubt about that. Because that was where my family was. That's where my all my friends were. Yep. You know, all my high school friends, all my college friends. Um, but yeah, so let's see, did I I mean I literally in that way I like I prioritized my love of this band over all of that just to move out here. So Paul and I never would have met each other. I mean, it's like all those are the little things. For me, I I I go back to even before that when I was like, oh, what's that one decision that really changed your life? For me, it was joining the Navy. Because that was why I got out to Seattle, and that was that initial two years here, 88 to 90. Um that is the reason that I sort of discovered some of these bands. Not to say that when I discovered those bands anyway. Sure. You know, I mean they were you know international bands, but um that was like it. Having lived here for two years, and then when all of that music was really kind of coming to the forefront and you listened to it, you understood why it sounded that way, you understood where it came from. And so I had this I I already had this understanding of Seattle in that way. Um and so yeah, uh yeah, moved back here in '92, and here we are.

SPEAKER_02

It is it is just it's the butterfly effect in its own sense. Like one small thing changes how different your life can be, right? Like if you think about that. If you honestly, like if you didn't fall in love with this band, where would you be? Who would you be married to? Who all those things. That'd be so sad. Yeah. But it it's the band in itself, and I think they understand it, but I don't know if they'll ever truly understand the impact they've had on so many people's lives. Because this is just once we're just a small group of a very large number of people that love this band. And the fact that they have been able to affect so many people. There was another thing I was thinking about today too, when we were when um they I was reading the news article and they were talking about these charities that they're donating to.

SPEAKER_03

Think about the charities that have been created on the back-the- from from tiny charities in some little small town all the way to the you know, these massive All because they fell in love with the band, they saw what they were doing.

SPEAKER_02

Because that's the one thing, too. You know, this band is on stage, they're they're saying something, but they they follow through with what they're saying. Always have. And then all these other organizations that have fallen through with them kind of coming out through their shadows of building the hundreds, if not millions, of dollars that have been raised to other people because of them. The friendships, the marriages, the children, all these things that have come through the band. There's a lot of people that have had sex because of Pearl Jam. Kids, they are pr they are basically they are um they are populating the world.

SPEAKER_03

They are probably, they've there's probably some babies that have named Eddie and Stone and There's a couple stones out there for sure. Uh no, I mean, we're, you know, obviously I'm super grateful for this band. It's funny, yesterday Holly and I drove over from Walla Walla, and she will attest to this. This is absolutely the truth. I really don't just straight up listen to Pearl Jam all the time. I have so much other stuff that I listen to in my playlist of music. And sometimes it's out of not necessarily a burnout, but I'm like, But stepping away from it for let's say I go two months without listening to an album, three months. Driving over last night, I just put on a mixed playlist of whatever all the albums. And I'm like, God damn. All the old stuff, all the new stuff. She had to listen to me singing the entire way over. And uh it was awesome. So it's fun to get kind of go back and revisit that stuff again. Sure. Because when you've listened to something for 30 something years, you can see how maybe you get burned out of it. Sure. Or whatever. You're like, I don't need to hear that again. But no. Also, fun fact, um, you probably heard this, but uh Evenflow was added to the list of the cardiopulmonary, whatever, heart association as the perfect beat to give CPR to. Really? Yeah, so they have like a list of songs that are like think about this song when you're giving CPR. But do you know what the main one is? Isn't it staying alive? It's staying alive, so.

SPEAKER_02

Which is hilarious. Which is hilarious. So listen to this.

SPEAKER_03

So now we're we're l we're listening to the uh uh recorded album version of Evenflow, and you're like, Even flow. Ha ha ha ha ta la. It's perfect. So we are gonna come up with a DJ mashup of the BGs and Stay and Live and Even Flow, and it's gonna be, oh, it's gonna be awesome. I'm I'm I'm I I'm looking forward to I. You can't you can't not listen to that song anymore without thinking about you've I think.

SPEAKER_02

I think I think I think you have ruined it for me now. That that is uh Jesus But you know, I always think of like, you know, when they put those songs like, oh, this is the song to like God for. Like I I forget words all the time. So someone like, you know, oh they're dying, they need CPR. Somebody hit even flow. Somebody in the back, hit even flow. You know, I don't know, I can't remember songs in my head. I can't keep beat. Yeah, but that's that is pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, pretty funny. So anyway, but I would just it was um it does remind me. Just even doing a you know, two-hour road trip revisit, listening to that music, uh it does remind me why I love fell in love with that band so much. And um how great their catalog is. And all that's the other thing, is like even some of the like the later albums, which especially don't go back to that often, um avocado album or Gigaton or whatever, songs will pop up off that thing and you're like, oh, it's a fucking great song. You know?

Falling Back In Love With The Catalog

SPEAKER_02

So Well you I mean you think about this too. Like, I think you know, avocado celebrating 20 years of being an album this year. How is that? Which is insane to me, 2006. And when that came up, so I had a conversation, me and Brad were driving around the other day, and I have not given up the ability for him to have um access to the playlist or playing music in the car because I can't do fucking Canadian music. So I have I have not allowed him to. Listen, it's not that he will pull out some random Joe Blow Jones, he's like, hey, this is uh Chris Hopkins, who this is a song. You know, Joey Mitchell's from Canada.

SPEAKER_01

I know, but Neil Young is from Canada. Yeah, but it listen, we have Rush Rush, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's almighty, Anthony.

SPEAKER_01

I listen, hey, hey, I don't, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02

But it it after a while it's just so anyway, but we were talking about Pearl Jam, and it was like, you know, I had to say the same thing. I'm like right, like right now, my music taste has been very different over the last year because I feel like I'm listening to a lot more aggressive, like I'm not a political person by any means. We've talked this, we've had this conversation before. I'm not a p I don't know things about politics. I try to stay away from it because I just I just don't know enough to be dated. I try. But so then but but I do get frustrated with things, and I have found like my love for like a lot of this, you know, music that's come out, like idols or uh die spits or lambrini girls or things like that that's a little more aggressive.

SPEAKER_03

Pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs. I've never heard of that. Oh my goodness, you'll love those videos.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, put it on the list. Yes. So I've I've gotten into that. And then when I was flying here, um after I was done watching the Patriots game, I put on some Pearl Jam, and it was the first time I probably listened to Bynarl in its entirety, like from front to back in years. And I sat there and I was thinking to myself, I'm like, it's the album itself, the genetics that were that and everything that everything that's about it is a perfect album. It it's an album, it's it's a perfect album. It it the way that it was built, the way the progression, the way it was written, everything about it to me is a perfect album. And what I loved even more about it was like as we get older and we look back at at things, we like when back in the 90s we were looking back at like even Pink Floyd, to me that's a very Pink Floyd album, in in in in my own you know it makes sense. And I just was like, it doesn't get enough love. Oh no, no, no. And it's just it's it's just it's it's amazing. And it's and I, you know, when I listen to it. Which one's that one? It's Cold Slight Hand. I've heard of it. I've heard I I have heard there's a gentleman that uh that that that the song might have changed his life. Um but it you know, to me when I look at things like that, then and this is what I love going back and listening to Pearl Jam. I I talk to Brett on a daily, we talk every so often, those, and those are core people. But as soon as I started listening to Binaural, I started thinking about songs I heard live, and then that brought me to a place once again I saw, and then it brought back to memories of people. So then I started reaching out to people I hadn't talked to in a while. And then it just starts makes you appreciate again this round robin circle of how these songs, this music, the traveling, everything, just brings you to this core of like being in love with a band that that brings you all these great things.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you know, my buddy Matt, who you've met before, you know. I met him through the band and I was at the gorge shows. And uh we were we were at the rest uh the resort restaurant parking lot area next door to the gorge called Cave B Winery, and there's a restaurant there, and I remember going to those gorge shows, and I was with Eric Dunham, my mentor in the wine business, and Eric had we brought a bunch of wine, and we're literally in the parking lot, pre-partying, drinking wine in the parking lot, and Matt happened to be parked right next to us, and we just started chat, you know, chatting with him and his uh wife at the time, and then yeah, yeah, it's we've been best buds ever since, and it's all because of that band too.

SPEAKER_02

Which which I think now brings me into one of what is gonna be my favorite topics of me meeting people that seem to all know you because you know everybody. I I've I've come to terms where I think you might be the mayor of Seattle because everyone I've run into seems to know you, but um the other night me and Brad were going around Seattle and and you know I'm a go-with-the-flow type of guy for the most part, and I'm like, Brad's like, where do you want to go? I'm like, ah, wherever. And we end up going to um Shibuya, okay, which I'm gonna I I will say this, okay, and I've been in the audio video industry for 23 years. No, no sound, no audio. And I and I and you know, you go to these places and they and they say they have great listening experience and stuff, and they do. Never in my 23 years of life have I ever been so floored with what happened at this facility. Yeah. Let me explain.

SPEAKER_03

This is Shibuya Hi-Fi is what he's talking about. Shibuya hi-fi. It's in Ballard, it's uh it's a listening, it's a cocktail listening lounge.

The CPR Beat And Musical Humor

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so the the the the basis of the facility was the owner of the facility, his parents met in, and I I believe they might have routes to um Tokyo. Brad, Tokyo? Yeah, Tokyo. And they met in a listening room. So in Tokyo, there's a lot of listenings, like almost like a speakeasy a little bit. Yeah. And where you can go listen to vinyl, and it's like you listen to it, you just and when you go into this room, the room is uh it's 24 by 19, a little odd shaped and stuff. And when you walk in, it's dim lit, they have these beautiful lighting structures that are that came from um Ben Arroyal. Um and there's just like this beautiful artwork, great wood wrap around the facility, and these just comfy chairs. And I am I'm a little skeptical about any time someone tells me the things about places because Brad had called me after he heard Dark Side of the Moon, and he's like, I don't understand it, but everyone there tells me it's a different list of I heard it, it was great. He goes, but I think you'd appreciate this, so that's why he brought me there. Yeah. Introduced me to Jerry, who's an absolute doll. Yeah. And we go in the back, and I sit in the middle of the couch looking directly at the piece of art in this room, and I see these clips, uh, these speakers on the side, and all these things, and I get this speech from Jerry, and he puts a needle down, and he put and we listen, we're listening to Pink Floyd, and then next thing you know, he turns the speakers on. And for the first time in 23 years of listening to audio anywhere, and I've listened, I'm telling, I'm not blown anywhere in the world. I've never in my life ever heard something like I did that day. I've heard Wish You We Here thousands of times. Yeah. I heard that song for the first time ever that night. Yeah. It was amazing. And I sat there and I'm looking at things and I'm I'm trying to like figure out how the fuck are these speakers.

SPEAKER_03

Sounds like sounds like this experience need to have some mushrooms involved as well.

SPEAKER_02

I if I I don't I don't know if that would I don't know if it would help or I don't know, but I will say this. I literally so I I'm walking around looking at the speakers, I'm trying to figure out how the fuck is this happening. How are these speakers because you're hearing things in a song that you've heard thousands of times, you're hearing you're you're hearing the guitar pick hit the strings. Yeah you're hearing the echoes of the double laying that David Gilmore did on the song that you're not supposed to hear. You're hearing coughing in the background, you're hearing like the the clarity of vocals in ways I've never heard. So um, so we're listening to this, and he's giving me, and I'm I'm I'm blown away. Yeah. And then we listen to Wordless Chorus by My Morning Jacket, which when you go there, please make sure that you listen to that. Because that right there, when Jim James is going on his highs and stuff, you flip.

SPEAKER_03

And that and that's already this very cool, he has this very echoey sound with his microphone, and I can imagine what it would sound like in that space. I'm excited.

Binaural Rediscovered And Memory Loops

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it just feels like they're over you. So this was just an experience that Jerry had given to me and Brad. Brad and him weren't good friends, it was a courtesy, and I was just floor-dropped, amazed. Yeah. The next night we went to go listen to Mazzy Star there, which I will say I danced to, you know, me and my first wife, uh me and my wife's first song we danced to. My first one. I've only been married once, okay. Uh you know, we danced to fade into you, so that songs mean something to me. So I heard that. And what was really cool about what listening to it with a group of people was I got to see how people experience music differently. And I got to see people that like eyes closed back and just be meditated into music. I see someone that's just kind of enjoying it. I see people that are a lot getting lost in it like I was. But that that again I'm hearing of that that song in a way that most people aren't because the way they have that setup and everything about that room is so special. Yeah. Like I am like and we have just talked about this a little while ago. Nothing's set up yet. Nothing isn't true. But like even talking to Jerry and he knew that we he knew about you having a podcast, didn't know I was the other podcast guy. Brad kind of told him that. Um and then we were talking and he's like, oh, you should do a podcast here and we should do things together. And you know how my mind works. I'm like, we'll just fucking do Pearl Jam and then we'll raise money or do something. But I would wonder what listening to like 10, which we've thousands of times of times. Yep. What would that sound like? Are we gonna, you know, hearing a first pressing of 10 in that room, just hearing it in its true studio form as it's supposed to be sound. Like, what does that sound like?

SPEAKER_03

You know it'd be cool. You'd be a great auction item. You reach out to the 10 club. You have them uh get the Mama San tape. And you get to listen to the Mama-san tape in that room. How fucking cool is that room? Wow. I mean, that's the thing, is like I know I've seen uh I've told you about the experience of holding that tape. And I was with Eric from Lenin Bridge holding that piece of historical evidence that that, you know, like the genesis of everything was right there. I wonder how many times they've actually played that tape. When's the last time they've actually played that? When's the last time they played the Mamazan tape?

SPEAKER_02

That's a great question. Who knows? Who do you have your phone book?

SPEAKER_03

Who are we calling? I'll I'll I'm not gonna call Tim right now, but uh Tim would know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because I mean you've got to think too a lot, I mean, because you're you're a cassette tape, the more it's played, the more it wears out, right? So I I I'm assuming that it's gotta be preserved at some point. Yeah, yeah. But that would be, I mean, you know there are people that would spend a lot of money to be able to say they heard it.

SPEAKER_03

That would be an amazing experience. That is an amazing experience. Yeah. Can you imagine he puts it in and then the tape machine like oh fucking eats it up?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god. I I feel like it's a good idea. I can only feel like it would be a look right to you like you fuck we should have kept this where it was. Oh my goodness. But no, it was it was a great experience, and um, I'm really excited about you going into that room.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we're doing um we're doing it's for our wine club or for our mailing list, whoever wants to come, buy tickets for it. But we're doing, I've been doing these six degrees of nights in Walla Walla Wallaha. Picking an artist or a label and then sort of doing this, you know, progression of, oh, this guitar player also played on this album, that kind of thing. So we're uh I did one for Stax Records back in October or November. Uh and this is uh uh before Steve Cropper died. So I did this Six Degrees of Stax Records, and it really was more about uh Booker T and the MGs and Steve Cropper and and all those guys. But six albums front to back. Um but this will be a it's gonna be a tribute to Steve Cropper, Six Degrees of Stax Records, and we're probably not gonna get through six albums because we only have a two-hour time slot inside that room. Um but I'll probably pick like two or three albums uh and then talk about the other three and just sort of how they, you know, sort of his progression within that Stax world all the way back in 1964 and how that progressed a working with Eric Clapton and Derek and the Dominoes and you know Bonnie and uh uh Bonnie and uh Delaney. Delaney and Bonnie uh and Blues Brothers and all that stuff, you know. It's quite a quite a story there with him. So I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02

I'm I'm I'm really excited for you. Yeah. I am just waiting for the call the next day for what you feel that room is. Yeah, I can't wait. Because you know what happened with me? Do you want me to tell you what I did? You went inside and you wept, you cried. I got emotional. But um we went, so after we're watching things, I'm looking at the speakers, I'm trying to figure out how the fuck they sound the way they do. So, and they're telling me, you know, they paid like how much they pay, what what was the number? It was a lot, it was like probably 14 to 14 to 20,000 or something. It was it was a high money money.

SPEAKER_03

For the speakers.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. But and the equipment, if I'm not mistaken, is old vintage equipment.

SPEAKER_02

Everything's vintage in that room, except the wiring. The wiring they're using is a local company that houses it. It's a little it's a higher grade copper that's going through for to pass sound through. Um I mean, I even metered the room. I my nerdy ass was literally like had my phone out, and I'm metering the room, like how and I'm looking, and Brad's looking at me, and he's like, What are you looking at? And I'm trying to explain to him the meter process of what the hell I'm looking at. And um Jerry's like, I don't even, he's like, you know, but anyway. So we get back, we go to Screwdriver that night, and I get to meet Jerry a little bit more, had a great time, uh, learned about a woman and her love for Stairway of Heaven. Uh that got I don't know if it's appropriate for the show, but um it was it'd fuck me if I wasn't. I've never been like shocked about I've never listened to that song ever the same.

SPEAKER_03

Were you blushing after you told you the story?

SPEAKER_02

Uh oh god, I was blushing for sure. Yeah. Uh I don't know if we'll ever listen to that song the same. But I saw I am now looking at, I was looking at things. I'm like, how can I replicate this sound? Because I want to be able to do that all the time. Yeah. So I found the speakers. They're about three and a half hours from my house. The speaker manufacturer? No, no, no, no. Those exact speakers. Oh. I'm going to get them.

SPEAKER_03

You're going to go purchase them from this uh someone's got them for sale, is what you're saying. Yeah. How about that?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Not as much as they paid, not nearly as much. Oh not. No, God, no. My wife would kill me.

SPEAKER_03

And then you're going to have to get the other stuff though.

SPEAKER_02

So here's the difference between how they're set up and my setup is. So with me having the background in audio and stuff like that, I want to do something different with them. I want to find a way to, and I've and I've looked into this, I can't find anything about it. But with me having the digital side of things and looking at like uh looseless files and flak files and having that wide open as close to vinyl as possible without it. I want to take a tube amp, convert it to a digital sound, and actually have it go warm through those files. So I'm looking, I'm gonna try to figure something out that way. And um, so yeah, I have I have I think I have my project for the next six months. That'd be fun to geek out over a little bit. Yeah, you know, uh well I like here recently I've been just decluttering the house. I feel I have too much Pearl Jam stuff, I have too much concert stuff, I should just embody. I mean, I just need to get rid of shit. But I I'd rather have something like when I was in that room for the first time in a long time, like I left and I felt like I had just gone through like like talking to a therapist, having a massage. It was the most like relaxing like listening to Mazzy Star. We and we only stayed for the first side. Um because Mazzy Star is a unique experience. Have you listened to the album recently? I mean not recently recently, but we've like it's a very Doors-esque, mellow. And I mean, and I had worked all day. If I had listened to the whole album, I probably would have fallen asleep. It was just like because I was, it was like, it was so relaxing. Relaxing. Um but yeah, it was yeah, I just I want to experience that more.

SPEAKER_03

I'm glad Jerry opened that place up. I think he's doing really well. He's got uh, I know he's opened five days a week. And they do, I think, two albums a night. Yeah, two albums a night, like these listening sessions, and you sign up for them online. It's like 15 bucks or something like that. I think twenty bucks. 20 bucks maybe. And you they've got the bar outside, so you can go have a cocktail beforehand and a little happy hour. And then you go in, you said they have to take your shoes off.

SPEAKER_02

You take your shoes off. No drinks allowed in there. No drinks. The door is closed, they have the they have thick curtains that go over the door. Um so like it is separating from the outside world. And it is the gentleman, like when we went to Magistar, we got the experience of what it's like. A gentleman went up there, started talking about the album, the reference to it, talked about the sound system, the history of it, and then uh then it's just they put the needle down, and before the first song goes down, you could almost hear a pin drop. It's super quiet, and then it's just like it went first song has faded into you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And when it went in I I I mean, I saw I mean that that that guitar, that sort of bendy, bendy string guitar, that's almost like a little, it's almost like a little southwestern y. Oh, very like uh Chris Isaacs kind of a guitar.

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SPEAKER_02

You and it's and it and it's crazy because that song almost doesn't fit the album because it's it's different than all the other songs in the album. But man, I was getting emotional, like, because I you know, when you music, you think of like, you know, like you said, you walked, you and Holly walked down the aisle to that song. Um, you know, when when music brings you to memories, I thought of my wife, and then I was like, I would just I don't know, you know, and I cry at everything. I fucking cry in everything. The dog gets rescued, everything. I fucking cry. So I was getting emotional, but it was it was a great experience. So yeah, if you come to Seattle and you love music, and if you watch this, I'm assuming you do, I would say that is a top three places you need to go. Like Booya High Five. Oh, 100%. Number one, you have to come here.

SPEAKER_03

You have to come here. You have to come here. Please do.

SPEAKER_02

Come here, spend money, buy wine, talk about wine. Yeah, what are we drinking?

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness. All right, so um I we're yeah, it's it's a special day, you're here. Yeah. So this is the new vintage of the Offie Goes, which is the wine that I make for Eric Dunham. And it says 100% Syrah. It's from Lake Haleen Vineyard. That photo in the front, I took that picture with my iPhone in 2015. It was the summer after Eric died. Eric died in October of 14. And the next summer I went down the Snake River Hells Canyon, and that is a picture of the moonrise, full moon rising over the Snake River. Uh that's it. That picture taken like midnight up there. And um I took it with an iPhone. Um but it's pretty good. It's a great picture. The wine's delicious. It's a 100% Syrah, uh, 100% whole cluster. So we we foot crushed the entire thing, it fermented on the stems. Um it's not quite as tannic as I thought it was gonna be. It's funny, I think they I think they opened this yesterday too. So it's great. This is this is a this is amazing. Really bright acidity, very fresh.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I love about this tray? And this is talking, and this is one of the greatest things I've always I've always appreciated about you as a person because you're always so giving. Um on the back of here, the bottle, yes, um, a portion of the proceeds from the sale of this wine will be donated to the Seattle chapter of the American Foundation of Suicide Prevention. Yes. Um that's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, you know, just the tiny amount. It's it's more than anything, it's just anytime someone gets to hold that bottle in their hand and pour it, you know, uh most folks are reading the back label. Yeah. That gives me an opportunity to remind them about Eric. That's amazing. You know. So this is great. And I put some lyrics on there from the back.

SPEAKER_02

So no, it's great. So this is this is good. But I I do the one thing I do hate about drinking your wine is that I have to go home and uh go back to drinking normal wine. So then I get a taste of this, and then I go back home, and then I gotta go to my local food store and try to find wine to match this, and it never happens. Well, you just keep one order for me. I'd be happy to.

SPEAKER_03

I get your friends and family pricing, Anthony. Thank you. But super tasty. We have um in our tasting rooms right now, we have a reserve flight, and this was part of that flight. So peop people can actually come in and taste it now. Oh, nice. It's kind of cool. We only made three barrels of that. So it was about 74 cases total made. So not very much.

SPEAKER_02

So in in is what, six in a case, right? Twelve. Twelve in a case. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. So, but I'm glad you like it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I told you I got my wife started drinking wine, right?

SPEAKER_03

Hey yo.

SPEAKER_02

We went, we found a place up in uh Kansas City. We uh they do it like where you can like have a bunch of bottles and these like machines where you can like pay for the poor.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, like a one-ounce pour or a two-ounce pour a glass.

SPEAKER_02

And I think she liked the fact that she can taste. And then she's like, oh, I like that. Oh, I don't like that. That's perfect. Oh, I loved it. And we were had it, we had a little cheese board and it was it was nice because that's I've wanted that for us, like, you know, because she's you know, she's a simple person. Like she's not, she's not, she's she'd rather do a beer. Like that's just my wife. But now I'm like, you know, peeling it back a little bit, trying to uh make it a little fancy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, nothing fancy about wine. That's the problem with wine. We're trying to get it away from people thinking it's just a fancy drink. So that's that's part of the well, I feel fancy right now. Well, I'm glad you feel fancy. I appreciate you drinking the wine, though. So No, I love it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So what's the matter? Oh, is it the anniversary today? Forgot about that too. What's that? So, and we're looking right across at it at Bowie's anniversary. Died 10 years ago. That's right. Ten years ago today. And you have a lot of connection to that as well, especially with the winery, because you have a lot of references in some of your wines.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so we have uh we make uh the Spider Shamar's my favorite Syrah, which is this one right here. Right there. It's got the little lightning bolt in there. Yeah. But this is the uh we took over uh our vineyard in 2016. Um and I remember it was a within a week of Bowie dying. So if uh if if today's the anniversary of Bowie dying, I remember it happened on a Monday morning because I remember on Friday, two days before, on KEXP, he had released Black Star on Friday, and he died on Monday. And on Friday, when they released the album, uh he John Richards had like a four-hour segment all about Bowie. And it was all these and his influences and all the other bands that he influenced, and just this incredible like tribute to Bowie because the new Black Star albums out. Then Monday he died. And then it was like I swear it was like two days of tributes uh for that. And um, but about a week later, I took a tour with uh a buddy of mine named Kevin Pogue who told me about this vineyard site. And he says, I think I think you want to come and see this. This is something that I think you guys will want to work with. And he drove me up there to the vineyard, and I remember looking down on it. And that's the that's it up there on that back wall over there. Um but I remember looking and where I was standing was at the very, very top of that ridgeline back there. Okay, looking back this way. Okay. And uh I looked down on that and I'm like, there's that's one of the coolest vineyard sites I've ever seen. Never tasted a wine from up there. They've never had this is before any food had even come off of it. And went and Kevin put us in touch with the owner of the property, and then we signed like a 25-year land lease on it like within a week. Wow. Never having tasted a wine up there. But it's one of those places that you looked at, you're like, there's no way this is gonna make a regular wine. This is whatever they make out of this vineyard is gonna be special. And it is, it's for sure one of the most special wines you make.

SPEAKER_02

One of my favorite birthday presents was that you sent me that bottle. Yeah. And I'll never forget, like, I was I was we had a couple friends over for my birthday. This was this is probably like five years ago. I think it was a year anniversary, we were doing it with like that whatever. And I remember I tasted it, and I was in a share. That bottle went right into my room. I didn't share shit with anybody. I did that, and then the last bottle I had was the one I last time I was out here, and I I think I gave a little, I gave a little sip to uh Brad and Sam, but for the most part I drank the whole fucking thing. Nice. That is that is there is something with that wine. The taste of that is almost like there's some wines you have out there, and you're like, oh, this kind of a hint of this, tastes kind of like similar to this. I don't know if there's I never tasted it now. Yeah, it's so unique. It's very so unique.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. That is that's Syrah in general, which I've talked about before on this show, uh, where it's uh chameleon grape because it uh it represents where it's grown more than any other grape that I work with. In other words, when you taste Syrah from four different vineyards, you're gonna you're really gonna get four very distinctly different smells and tastes and textures. With a lot of other varietals, it's less obvious. They're more fruit focused and less about savory aspects. And so um but that's what I love about it. It's also what's most confusing about the grape and why a lot of folks you know they'll try a couple of Syrahs, like, oh I love Syrah, and they try another one and they're like, this doesn't taste anything like what I remember Syrah being like. And they the approach is wrong. You can't look at it like i it's just like wine in general, like you can't just dismiss a varietal. Um it depends on where it's grown, it depends on who's making it. I mean, there's all these other factors, it's not just the varietal. You could say, I don't like Chardonnay. It was like, well, it's hard to say. I mean, like, some of the best white wines in the world are Chardonnay, you know, just have another white one. Yeah, it's where it's from. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. So I've learned that. You've educated me enough on that one. Yeah. But it was funny the other night we're sitting at a place and Brad was talking to some lady at a bar, and she's like, Oh yeah, that's my friend. He does a podcast with Trey, he owns sleight-of-hand sellers and all this stuff. And she looks at me, she's like, Oh, I'm going to Sonoma soon with any recommendations. Brad look goes, No, he knows nothing about one, he just knows enough. And I was like, you know, um that's that is that is a that is a true statement. I you know, I I know more now. I mean, we've only been doing this show for uh, you know, six six years. Six years, crazy.

SPEAKER_03

It's all right though. I mean um, yeah. The education process isn't meant to like inundate you and it's it's meant to just try to make it more accessible and easier to understand, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like when I go out and get a bottle of wine now, especially now, because back in the day, you used to hate how I got bottles of wine. I used to go for the bottle if the label looked good and had some fancy words on it, that's what I bought. And then you used to be like, Anthony, what are you doing? Then I used to have to FaceTime you. Oh, I remember the very first wine you bought. It was aged in bourbon barrel. And I dude, I was so proud of myself. You have no idea. I was so proud of myself that I had bought this bottle of wine. I'm like, I am gonna look like a rock star. It's gonna be the best bottle of wine. And you you just like I just remember.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like, oh no, don't, no, don't, don't do that live on on our podcast.

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SPEAKER_02

No, yeah. So no, I've I've definitely gotten better about it. And I and I've and I've started to look at like what pairs better at wine and what does Yeah, I mean, I uh so I'm about to go heavily into training. Like I'm actually giving up um all carbs starting on Monday. What can I train? Oh, you mean like uh so race my race season starts. So I'm d I have uh I'm doing uh 14 half marathons this year. I'm doing an Iron Man and I'm doing my first gravel bike.

SPEAKER_03

14 half marathons?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's less than last year because I'm doing my Iron Man and my uh my uh unbound gravel bike race. When's your Iron Man? Where's that at? Uh that's gonna be um the second week of June. And where's that gonna be located? In Chicago.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_02

My friend Scott uh didn't. Now it's a half, by the way, it's not a full one. I'm not that I'm not that I mean you see what I look like. Could you imagine this trying to do a full Iron Man? You can do a full now. Come on now. What? I'm like, listen, this would be like a beach whale trying to do I I first of all I don't swim. So that's the thing I worry about the most. But like a mile and three-quarter swim, I feel like I could do that. Three and a half miles, I think I'm gonna get a mile and three-quarter swim. It's a mile three-quarter swim. How many laps is that in a pool? Um, I don't know. I'll let you know on Monday.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, what's a what's a pool? How long's a normal pool? 100 meters?

unknown

It would take us a little over an hour to be higher friendly.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So that's what I'm looking forward to. So I got that going on. So, but what I like about so I ran half a marathon to just stay in shape, right? I would get real serious. But I I could run a half a marathon like the other day I ran 14 miles and like I just like you know, I didn't really affect me. Like I was just fine. On purpose? No, no, well, hold on. So Brad gave me a map of like how to where it's like, hey, I'm like, Brad, am I going to run to Mars? Like, well, here's this like 5.6 mile trail. So I leave the hotel, I'm following this map on Shrava. I've never used it before, so I'm thinking it's gonna tell me like turn by turn on my ear. So I'm just running straight. End up in Ballard. Um so then I look on my phone and I've already run like I think at that point I'd run like 6.1 miles. So I'm like, alright, so I'm just like, bring me back. And then yeah, it was it was like it was it was like 13.87 or something like that, but yeah, it was so I did that. So I can run. And I'm not fans.

SPEAKER_03

You can go to Discovery Park. You've been to Discovery Park, right? No, what's that? Discovery Park where Temple of the Dog was filmed, and right there with the the lighthouse. Oh, I didn't know that. You've never been to Discovery Park? Brad. Brad. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_02

What Discovery Park? He's never been to Discovery Park.

unknown

No hackers like the biggest.

SPEAKER_02

This is what Temple of the Dog, man. Do you know where I have been? Do you want to tell you where I have fucking been? Where I've been to every Asian restaurant in fucking Seattle. I'm like, I'm like, you know, Brad, I'm like, and you know, Brad's very, you know, particular about what he eats. But every every fucking time we're like, we're going, we're gonna do something, we get together, we're gonna go get like eat. I'm like, all right, great. It's like fucking, it's it's like this and that. So the other day we're like, and I'm like, I'm like, alright, whatever. The other day he's like, oh, there's a great Smash Burger place. I've never got so fucking excited, jumped out of bed, and like get your shoes on, we're going.

SPEAKER_03

Which Smash Burger place should go to?

SPEAKER_02

It was called the Ox.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So it it was on the website said best Smash Burger, all these things. So last night I'm like, um, let's do it. And uh we're also chasing the best popcorn in Seattle. That's uh the what? I guess I guess I guess I'll admit to something in a minute, but let's talk about the burger first. So the burger, we go to this place, it's the ox, and it was a line out the door. Um we took forever to find parking. It was the best burger I've had in my life, and there was no cheese on the burger. No cheese. No cheese. Onions? Uh no. What was light onions, but what was the one tarot was on it? Yeah. Fucking blew my mind. Best fries, it was great. I mean, if you want a great burger, that's a good place. The ox. So, this is something uh Brad was the only person who knew about this for a long time. Now everyone's gonna know. But now everyone's gonna know. And Brad has started telling everyone, I think he's become like uh a little know-it-all about it too. So I grew up in uh the Northeast, worked in movie theaters from 11 all the way through college and all that stuff, and I've always had a fascination with movie theaters and popcorn. So I have a fascination with old vintage popcorn machines, like Boyd popcorn machines, Newman popcorn machines from like the 40s and the 50s, even the early, like pre-World War I. And they're made, they're cast iron, they're they're it's just they have flavors and there's a lot to it, right? So when I usually work out of town, I'm by myself, I'll go around to all the different old movie theaters, uh either catch a movie, obviously popcorn, and judge them. So when we went to Portland Um and we were walking around and we were walking around theaters, I was like, hey, do you mind if I just go here and um have popcorn try it and stuff? And Brad was, you know, Brad's good at pulling shit out of people. Like, what the hell, you know? So I explained to him, like, I go places, I try popcorn, and he's like, Well, do you have favorites? And I do, I have a whole list of like my favorite popcorns in the world and where I've eaten them and what's good about it.

SPEAKER_03

Not like flavored popcorn.

SPEAKER_02

No, no flavored popcorn. Just straight up butter and salt. No. So Jesus. So, um, if popcorn's done right, you don't put butter on it. What? Does n Brad, if popcorn's done right, you don't need butter, right? Correct. I'm telling you, if you've then you've never had good popcorn. If you've had the right popcorn, it is just straight popcorn.

SPEAKER_03

So we've been, I have been to seven sounds like the key is the kernel, but you're saying it's the house cook.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, no, no. It's the house mix, it's the the kettle it's made in. So if it's cast iron.

SPEAKER_03

Oh what the how that it's just a heat transfer.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, so the cast iron grills that were originally put in like theaters back in like the 20s, 20s to probably the 60s were cast iron. Cast iron has you don't wash it with soap and water. You have to wash it with a with a cool well, no, not oil. It's charcoal. You wash it with a charcoal, it's like a charcoal bar that dissolves as you're washing it. You don't use soap and stuff. And that continues to hold the flavors in it. So as it gets older, the more flavor in it, the better the popcorn is. And it also uh like uh that that that kettle, it like caramelizes it more. It's listen, I know way too much about this. So, man, since I've been in Seattle, I've been to seven movie theaters. Huh? Yeah, seven. Seven movie theaters. I've had nothing has blown my socks off. Last night we went to one theater. Um But you're not seeing the movie. No, no.

SPEAKER_03

You why you're saying, hey, can I buy some popcorn? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And they're like, sure. Yeah. And I've had some really shitty popcorn here too. I think one of the worst popcorns I've ever had was in Seattle.

SPEAKER_03

How about the Cinerama? Do you take it to Cinerama?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You didn't like that? It's a good place to see a movie though.

SPEAKER_02

I I've heard that. I mean, you know, first of all, a the the chocolate popcorn thing that's a little gimmicky. I don't like it.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know that. I don't know that.

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SPEAKER_02

They have like chocolate popcorn. They put chocolate on popcorn, a little weird for me. You know. I don't know. But anyway, so we yeah, I like that. I it's like it's like a chase factor for me. My favorite popcorn of all time is in uh Radio City Music Hall. They have the the vintage popcorn machine there, it's original to the facility. It's built into it. It's an old popcorn machine from like a long time ago. It's amazing. Best popcorn you'll ever have in your life. All right. Um number two is actually in Portland. Um at the uh the Baghdad. And it's amazing popcorn. Like I know you don't need butter on it. And then uh recently uh I went to Lincoln, Nebraska, and that one jumped up. It was a beautiful I took I was saying I was texting Brad. Now that I have someone I can tell someone about, I was like texting the pictures of shit. But yeah, but you know, it is interesting. But we've uh yeah, I was just surprised. I thought like this area being the way it was that you'd be able to find that. So and this and that ends my uh popcorn segment of uh Let's Talk Vinyl. So before we end this, uh is there anything you're listening to recently?

SPEAKER_03

Let me think about that. Uh but what album have we been listening to? Oh, the wet leg moisturizer album is great. I do like that. The new Sweetwater album is really good. I haven't heard it yet. That's well, I've got it on vinyl. We're we released it for our vinyl club. We just got them in. Gold, gold vinyl.

SPEAKER_02

I know something else you just released on vinyl.

SPEAKER_03

Look at that.

SPEAKER_02

So you have it here too? Do you have the uh Plants in the Ocean album? Uh no, I don't have it here. Um that is a I've I have not released it yet for my vinyl club.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, because I got one in the mail.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, where'd you get it from? I can't tell you, I'd have to kill you. Is it from Rob? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

I got we have a show here in March, March 13th.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Rob sent it to me um and he wanted my opinion. Um I've listened to it, it's amazing. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03

I've heard of the files.

SPEAKER_02

The K Cassie sent me the digital file. Oh, the f fantastic. So it came out great. And it's and I those that group of people and that band, everyone in they're just such great guys. And they killer musicians and awesome human beings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm that that was that's pretty cool. I mean, I'm I think that I'm excited for them and what the because this is this album is every time they've because they've put out singles and they've done stuff, especially through like uh COVID and stuff, they when they were coming out of stereo embers and creating this. This band, I mean, that it's just gonna get better and better. And Rob is such a talented singer.

SPEAKER_03

He is a talented singer. I'm trying to figure out, we're trying to find out uh who the opener is gonna be for the show. Um I've got another show with uh Richard Stuverude and Kurt and Al Bloch, The Bad Scene, are coming back here. That's it into February, on February 31st, or no, February 28th. Anyway, something like that. Uh last Saturday of the month. And it's the album release party too.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I can always put my corduroy suit back on and bring the suits back.

SPEAKER_03

That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02

I fuck I first of all, I don't know. I've I've been playing with my daughter recently because my daughter's in the band, so when she learns a song, I pick up the bass, I play with her while she plays drums or sings. Um, white stripes.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We could create the white stripes. Did I tell you last year during her her uh she had a talent show at her school? And I'm like, well, she's like, I'm gonna bring the drum. Can you bring the drum set? I'm like, alright. So I brought the drum set and she did a rendition of uh Fell in Love with a Girl, and like they there's I have to I'll send you, I'll show you a video once this is over, but she fucking killed it. And like she like like all the teachers were like messaging us afterwards, like absolutely like all these kids are gonna have to be doing fucking magic, or you know, they everyone thinks they can sing, but they they sound like you know, whatever they do. And here comes little Miss Charlotte, Miss Confident, on the stage and does fell in love with a girl. And the best thing is she plays a song, she puts her stick when it's done, puts sticks down, just walks off stage, doesn't ask for a clap, nothing does. No waving, nothing. Yeah, nothing. Goodbye, see you later. That's so good. That was oh, that was great. And then the best thing was so we did the talent show, and then it was like a week and a half later, Brad comes out and we go to see Jack White in Omaha, Nebraska. And then that's when she met Jack White.

SPEAKER_03

How did she how did you guys meet him? I haven't ever told your story. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02

Me, so Brad came out because Jack White was playing can uh St. Louis, Kansas City, Omaha, Nebraska, three nights in a row. Yeah. Um, which I've also learned that I can't do three nights in a row of shows anymore. I'm too old for this shit. Too old, okay. So um we did we did St. Louis, we did Kansas City. Kansas City was an amazing show, and then uh and she wanted to go, but she couldn't because she was practicing. But we were going to Oma. She's like, let's go. She's like, I want to go. And tickets were really cheap for Oma for some reason. Um so we went to Omaha, we took her to Omaha, we stayed at this really nice hotel, and we go to the show. We we had kind of an inkling that he was staying there, and we had seen him walk in before the show, waved at Charlotte. Charlotte was like, that right there, Charlotte was like, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. That was great. And she was smile, um, a little bummed because they didn't play a single white stripe song during the whole show. First, it was the second time, it was the first time. Well, first they've done it twice. First time in the history of Jack White's touring, he's did not play a white stripe song. So she's bummed. All solo and racking tours. I gotcha. So uh I think it did a dead weather song too, possibly. I have to look back anyway. So she's bummed, but she's happy because she gets so as we're going back to the hotel, we're sitting in the lobby. Uh Mike Drama was there, he was going to the hotel, uh, going to the airport, so we're kind of talking to him. Brad's talking to the hotel guy, and I'm sitting on the couch with Charlotte, and Charlotte's like, just happy, like you know. And then she sees the bass player walk in, and and if if you've ever met my daughter, she is kind of shy, she keeps herself, she is outspoken like me, but she doesn't like and she gets up, she goes, Hey, great show tonight. And I was like surprised by that. Next thing you know, Jack White walks in, I've never she gets up and starts talking to him. They're happy. And what I really respected about him is that he never rushed it. Gave her the time, they're having a full-on conversation. She had a white striped shirt on, they're talking about things, she talked about how she played the song at the thing, and he's engaged. And he's a dad, so he knows. Yeah. So I definitely had the opportunity to be in the picture I wanted to. And I know I think it was either Brad or Mike was like, I'll take the picture. And I said, No, I got it. And I just let them take the picture. Yeah. And that was one of the most pure smiles that I've ever seen in a photo for my daughter. Like just only happens so often. And I remember like afterwards, she like he left and like she hugged me. And I was like, Oh, it's like fucking core memory. Like, you know, those memories of like it was really it was really cool.

SPEAKER_03

It's the good dad moment right there.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I love it. I love it. It's things like that that's like, you know, you know, that just like those core memories you'll never forget. Like at the show, I don't re I don't remember half the songs that were there. Like, I remember it was I remember it was a great show. We had a good time. I remember Brad almost fighting a guy that was trying to get in front of my daughter on the rail, which was hilarious. Um but uh there it was just this, you know, it's just the memories of like the traveling. That's what I think about like even Pearl Jim. Yeah. I th I I know shows are great. And I know the experiences are good, and and Eddie's great, and Mike's great, and Stone and Jeff and Matt.

SPEAKER_03

It's only a three-hour window out of the seat age you're there or whatever. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

So it's all the stuff you're doing with your friends and but like when I think of like Seattle, when I came out here, I think of like the people goofing watching Judge Judy at me in the line, or like me coming here and like I'll never forget that wall right there. When it was we were, I think our goal was like 10 grand or something like that. I think we're like, hey, we make 10 grand tonight, great. And I think we had just we hit 26,000. And we're like, do you think we can get 30? And I'm like, I don't think so. And you're like, just go on stage. And I remember people were just like, boom, boom, boom. I just remember like getting emotional, just being successful, you know, things, but like that, those memories of like change and doing things and being around people you care about and stuff, like that's what's cool about going to shows and traveling and all that stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_03

With Smash, and regardless of Smash and stuff, um, I can't remember if I told you, but you know Nicole Vandenberg? Yes? You know that she runs Smash now, right? She's uh yeah. Okay. So she left uh when she she I think she still maybe she still has Vandenberg PR, I have no idea. But um she became our executive director um maybe six months ago, eight months ago, something like that. And I just this this rocket ship uh going up, all the engagement, all the contacts that she has and be able to bring folks in. Head in the Heart just donated a bunch of money. Um and uh but having these little events like that uh it's great for awareness. Yeah. And you know, it's a little shot in the arm financially too. So that's why I love your idea about the shibuyo. So well, I'd love to make that happen. I think I think that's a good thing. You're coming back out in June June.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm supposed to come out to yeah, there. I've been told that my client has bought more stores out here in Seattle.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. So if you come back in June, we'll do another one of these. Yeah. We'll do, but we'll do it up at Jerry's place.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I feel bad too because we announced this, it was a sporadic thing. This was a last minute thing. We've been trying to do a show for the last couple weeks, my schedule's been nuts, and that's my fault. And I said, you know what? I said, I'm coming. Like, let's just do it. And you're like, whatever, sure. Um, and it worked out. But yeah, um yeah, I I've uh I was just told the other day my client has purchased four more stores here in Seattle that I'll have to remodel in June. Um, so I'm just waiting to get the exact dates. Cool. But yeah, I've got to. Hopefully it aligns around the same time that Alan Johannes is here too.

SPEAKER_03

Because you would dig seeing that show. Good.

SPEAKER_02

And then we will see if I can get Brad to come back up on the train. That'd be awesome. He'll probably tell me that I have to Asian food again or some shit, and then I'll just I don't know. But I really appreciate this. I'm looking forward. I'm looking forward to tonight. But going back to one thing, I did once he posted that thing, I had six people. It was only six, but we're like, oh, what time's the thing? Like, can I come? And I'm like, I don't fucking know if you can or you can't, or I don't know. I don't know how it works. Yeah, you can come. I don't know. But maybe next year we'll put chairs out and shit. Maybe we'll do like a microphone. I don't well know, chart.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know. No one's paying.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, no one's fucking paying to see me. I would have to pay people to come see me, but that's all another thing. But um no, I'm I'm really grateful for for this, and uh it's weird six years. That's that's like it's like that's a kindergartner.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So but anyway, well I appreciate it. I don't know how many shows it is, but oh um, I know we were I think we were definitely over because at one point we were pretty damn close to 75 last year. Right. So we're probably probably close to 80. We were real I mean we're there with a couple times with two and doubles months in the early we were trying to do doubles, then we slowed down, did once a month. And I know like life just gets ahead of us and stuff, and this is just for fun. But yeah, I know. We'll uh I think we had discussed, I think we're gonna look get our schedule straight for the next few months and get those on the books, and we'll make it happen. We'll make it happen, and then yeah, I think we should do that, and then I think maybe we'll do a tour of Seattle. I think that'd be fun. We'll record some stuff. Oh, that would be fun. Discovery part discovery. I was thinking more or less just go to Screwdriver because I this the stories at Screwdriver were intense.

SPEAKER_03

Like I the fact that I went, the owner would be a good actually, you know, it'd be funny and have guest stars. We'll have Jerry and Columbus guest guest guests on the show and get their own personal histories of Seattle and stuff. I love those guys. I don't know if we'd be able to have a word in though. They would they would take the fucking money.

SPEAKER_02

No, oh gosh. The uh, but yeah, the the screwdriver though, the other the first night we went, right, not to extend the show any longer than it needs to, but we were the the one of the owners who was he was been drinking all night. He was he's like, hey, I want to show you some stuff. He starts showing me his 45 collection and these rare records. He's like, Hey, can I show you something else? I'm like, sure. So he brings me down the hall, we go in, go in the back, we see the stage that you've been back there, yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_03

Holly's performed back there, right? She didn't perform there in the screwdriver, she performed at the uh rendezvous next door.

Training, Runs, And Seattle Wanderings

SPEAKER_02

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, I didn't didn't mean to confuse. But I think because I think they do burlesque there on Friday nights, is what that what they were telling me last night. So as we're going back there, he goes, Hey, I want to show you something. This is green room. I said, Oh, cool. He's like, Do you know what's special about this room? I said, No. He goes, This is where Nirvana was formed. I'm sitting in myself in this fucking room. And first of all, I and I I will say this right now. I have been so fucking blessed every time I come out here, the things that I've been privy to to be around. Because a lot of these things, not it's just not for everybody. So I'm in this room and I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, Oh, this is where they practiced. This is where Kurt like recorded. I'm like, and then as soon as like you're in this room and you're looking at things, the fucking chill factor was wild. Yeah. But it's just in the back of this bar, which is the most unique bar I've ever been to. Very interesting. Like I said, I'll never listen to Led Zeppelin the same again. And um, it was amazing. So, yeah, that room, this green room, where Nirvana is basically the birthplace of Nirvana, is in the back of a bar called the screwdriver, which is a tribute to Jack White. I don't know if you knew that either. I didn't know that. Jack White named the restaurant uh the bar based off what the owner was telling me. Okay. And it's a sit there's a sister bar in Nashville that I've been to that I didn't had no idea. But anyway, but it's all in this bar. In the back areas of Seattle.

SPEAKER_03

It's like it's downstairs, too. Downstairs.

SPEAKER_02

It's yeah, because you go down and it's just fucking records, these old 45 stapled all to the wall and records and all these posters.

SPEAKER_03

Have you been to the Central or the Vogue? The Vogue's not around anymore, but where the Vogue used to be, but I mean the Central Tavern's still right there in Pioneer Square. That's where all those bands were, Mother LaBone and all those bands. Back in the 80s, there was six clubs to play at. I mean, there was no sh uh uh rock candy. You know, that that didn't start until the early 90s. So it's like late 80s, it was like the Vogue, the Central Tavern, um you had a place called Squid Row. Um but there weren't a whole lot of places, you know. So um and there's a lot of those places are Believe it or not, are still at least the physical building is there. Uh off-ramp was the same thing. Off-ramp was uh early 90s, like 1991, which is the same time frame they were, you know, they had their show there. So anyway, crazy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that'd be fun. The history. Yeah. Maybe we'll just we'll do some recording, go around, see if I can get some more random stories of people's back closets. He also started uh shows in random closets. It'd be awesome. All right, well, this is fantastic. Make you man. Yeah. And then tonight, hit the uh hit the I think that uh see that red square button corner, something top. Yep, hit that. That's over.