The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast

Ep 16 - Deep dive on Whimsicott, Pokemon Worlds 2002, talking about Pokemon with non-Pokemon people, Players Cup II, ADP, Vivid Voltage metagame, "Azul effect", Orbeetle, Deep dive on expanded meta, Pokestats Invitational

November 17, 2020 Brent Halliburton Season 1 Episode 16
The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
Ep 16 - Deep dive on Whimsicott, Pokemon Worlds 2002, talking about Pokemon with non-Pokemon people, Players Cup II, ADP, Vivid Voltage metagame, "Azul effect", Orbeetle, Deep dive on expanded meta, Pokestats Invitational
Transcript
Mike:

looks like we got lots of stuff to talk about that today.

Brit:

New cards, none of whom are good, but I've played with them.

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

Welcome to the trash lanch. It's me, Brent Halliburton, as always here with Mike crochet. That was Chris waveys Webster's laboratory. Every once in a while, I like to recognize that he lets us use a song and that song is awesome. We have a five star review update guys. We're up to 10, five stars. Eric Brooks left us a review. He says the one to four bed peak player, dope podcast, but seven disrespect. I don't know who Eric Brooks is, but three courses pink around players are good. that's, that's Eric Brooks, Eric, you have arisen in my estimation with this review. it's worth noting that, that you are now, one of the two or I guess two or four best pick round players. Also Kevin climate. They gave us a nice shout out on his Twitter. So there's now really only two pick around players in my mind.

Mike:

Yeah. So I was just telling the guys before we hopped on, Eric, if you are the Eric that played way back in the day, like 2001, 2002 ish, send us a message, find us on Twitter or something. Cause I am curious. so I started playing really around like 2003, 2004. And. I heard about this guy named Eric Brooks. That was a really good player. He was friends with Matt Moss and Jason Kaczynski and that kind of group of really solid players at the time, but he kind of stopped playing right as I started. So I had heard of this person, I knew he was a good guy, but never actually met him. So if you are the same, Eric Brooks would love to know if you're not the same. Eric Brooks that's okay, too. Clearly you have done quite well for yourself. We met no disrespect. We just, hadn't. Hadn't heard of you before. So, hopefully, hopefully, w something that we need to talk about as well. I actually don't know the results of, the North America players cup this past weekend. So if you made it through congrats, if you didn't sorry.

Brent:

Yeah. I know when I Googled Eric Brooks and Pokemon a LinkedIn profile to Eric Brooks MD, a resident physician at the MD Anderson cancer center came up on LinkedIn. And it says that he's the 2001 world Pokemon champion. I think to our knowledge, we kind of internally pulled and we were unaware of the, of the fact that there was a world championship in 2001, we would like to hear more about this.

Mike:

Yeah. The oldest world champion official. It's like 2002 is like official kind of unofficial. So for those of you that don't know, it definitely had a tenant under an 11 to 14 champion equivalent to juniors and seniors now. and it was held in Seattle Washington. There was kind of like a side event that was considered the masters 15 and over world championship. And that was won by big Chuck, Alex Brisso. But I am not aware of a 2001 world championship. Maybe it was a super trainer showdown, which was one of the big events back in the day. so I am curious on what that is about too. Okay.

Brent:

also interested in how putting a 2001 Pokemon world champion on your, resume has helped you prepare. Especially, because like, we are trying to figure out how to like, use this Pokemon rep to our professional advantage. So, so that is definitely news that we need.

Mike:

We should talk about that sometime. Cause I know, like I know a lot of people, for example, when applying to colleges write their college essays some way tangentially, maybe directly, sometimes tangentially about Pokemon. And I think a lot of people question how they should. Display that because I do think it's unique and I put it on my resume, but when I was applying for my first teaching jobs and it came up in some phone interviews and I think it, it, you know, it sets you apart. It sets you apart, makes you a note, you know, noteworthy and people might remember that. And so you don't want to put too much, but so kind of finding that balance. I think that'd be an interesting thing to maybe spend, you know, 20, 30 minutes on some time, probably not today. We got a lot to talk about, but

Brent:

Hey, you know what? I actually, I feel like we got to dig into it a little today. Can we, can we talk about this? Cause like, one of the things I wanted to talk about was, like as, as our channel fireball ad for the day, I had taken a note that I wanted to talk about Emory Taylor's writing recently, he wrote, he wrote an article about how awkward he feels talking about Pokemon as he's like a freshman in college when he says like, Oh yeah, I like play Pokemon. you know, he has like a, kind of a weird time embracing it. And I know like, dude, I know like when you're, in high school and you're freshmen in college, like middle school, whatever, like it, it's tough, you know, like, embracing your inner dork seems like the kind of thing that you just cannot do. But, but, but I mean, I also recognize like if I had any advice for like younger me. It would be to like, just be more comfortable with the fact that I'm a weird dork and I'm always trying to figure out how to express that in a way that young people can hear that kind of stuff. Cause it's a hard message to like, I mean, I think when an old person tells you stuff, you're just like, you're old, you don't know. Right.

Mike:

Yeah, right? No, it's true. It's it?

Brent:

I mean the other thing I, I think your comment is spot on and, and I rec like, The college comment. I know I had a conversation with Sidney Morris solely last year, where, where I was like, if you don't write your college essay about what it's like being one of the best like female competitors in a world of men, you're just like completely missing the boat. And I don't know if she did or didn't, but I was like, an essay where you combine your, one of the best in the world at something with kind of an intersection of like feminist culture, I'm pretty sure that's an essay that gets you into any school in the universe, if you do it. Right. And I was like, you, you have to write that essay, not miss the boat. So I, completely, hear that message, but I'm interested in hearing how you kind of. Rode that fine line and, and what kind of hot takes, and I recognize you interact with a lot of high school kids So you probably have a really nuanced take on this man.

Mike:

So that, you did remind me a little bit, I was talking to my two younger brothers yesterday and I had. We were talking about kind of the craze of celebrities and YouTube peppers, opening Pokemon cards and whatnot. I sent them, Steve Aoki did something the other day. And. My youngest brother said, yeah, I saw some of that. It's weird, but whatever, they probably all love Pokemon when they were younger, but two was to talk about it and then somebody started the trend. So they're all like finally, it's cool to play Pokemon again. And so, I thought that was funny and maybe it'll give people that are in that situation now in high school, a little bit more confidence in doing that since it is, for some reason right now, kind of a, you know, a fad thing again. But anyway, I w. I feel like w I don't remember if I wrote my CA honestly, I don't remember if I wrote my college essay about Pokemon. I think I did, or at least somewhat. and I always, for one reason or another, I don't, I don't know. I always kind of felt comfortable telling people I played. so like all my friends in high school knew what I was doing and on the weekends going to tournament and whatnot, I maybe I'm just lucky and had a really accepting group of friends, but, Yeah, I think the more interesting take for me is, as I was applying to teaching jobs, I actually did put a couple of lines just at the bottom of my resume. somewhat highlighting some of the accomplishments, but more the fact that I was involved in six prizes at the time and writing and how that, and I felt like that. Especially could be relevant to, you know, getting, getting hired really at any job, but you know, in a teaching job. and like I said, I just, I put it there because it's something that's important to me. and I think it's, I think it's a really cool talking point and it is really something that, you know, you put it as one or two lines on, on the resume and then you don't bring it up, but if they bring it up, then you can kind of go into all of the dynamics of. How it's affected you in a positive way and the relationships that you built in the people that you've met all over the world. and so, so it's really like a grab grabber type of thing. not something to elaborate on on the paper, but, I do think people like look at it and they're like, huh, Pokemon Pokemon is, let me ask him a question about that. And then you kind of like dive into all the stuff that you actually want to, describe that the experience has given you.

Brent:

How about you, Brett?

Brit:

well, I guess to start just on like the professional side, I basically verbatim Mikey's experience. I've never talked about it explicitly, but especially, I guess it was really never come up outside of six prizes, but I just wrote for six prizes for so long that it's essentially always been on my resume. and it's just that, like, if they want to ask me about it, I, it, it can make you stand out pretty easily. but it's a little harder to just straight dive into on your own. I kind of really started playing, at the end of high school, to be honest. So I really sort of like the end of junior year. And so really just kind of a one entire year and straight into college. So I didn't really quite have the. so difficulty of, you know, telling my friends about it, you know, I got into it with kind of my main friend group as well. it's sort of part of how the story goes. So. I, I th I went to a kind of like nerdy or high school, or at least the part that I was, I did the IB program at like a split high school. And everyone in the IB program for the most part were, dorks nerds like me, you know, at least all my friends and things like that. So I didn't, didn't quite have that difficulty in, in college. you know, I guess I can't, it doesn't always have to go this way, but I just have. Mature friends and a very mature friend group. I've never caught like any flack, from it. Well is I've never been quite as close as some of the other people in the friend group, you know, because a lot of my time, especially when I was in college, I played two city championships every weekend. I went to a regionals. I was gone a lot, a lot, a lot. and so looking back on it, I, I think I do kind of regret it in that way. I sort of wish, I think I could have gotten more out of my undergraduate experience. but really not like, I don't, sort of lose sleep over that or anything. I'm very, You know, happy with where I am now and the decisions I made then and all that too. But it's something I've thought about, to be sure, but yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely hard, especially in this day and age, I feel like, you know, just with the wrong people, if you, they don't like it, if they give you flack for it or something, like if it's kind of entrenched into your identity or something like. Go with it. Like that's, what's so great about the community is we all have, you know, different interests and tastes and things like that. we sort of have this common sort of game that we can all share together and that's, you know, sort of the best part, especially harder now, without any events, but eventually I think, everyone is very, very hungry for the, the first regionals or whatever to come back. I sort of imagine it'll be. Pretty big,

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

I, I feel like it's going to be like 10,000 people. Right.

Mike:

People from Europe are going to come to us. Like it was going to be crazy.

Brent:

I mean, it really will be like that. Right.

Brit:

it's, if it's that far in the future and the, you know, we can fly everywhere, we're all vaccinated or whatever it's like. Yeah, for sure. Like, I, I would maybe even go to another continent if I have the time and the money, it's just, I want to play

Brent:

Yeah. Like, I, I think there's absolutely no question. The first regional, like if they don't poke them out smart, they're going to have to have like three regionals the same weekend. Cause it'll just be absolutely pandemonium. But then people would just complain about how all, you know, all my friends went to this other one and that went to this one I think people are hungry to see each other face to face. I mean, it's time of pandemic, but, so, so the other thing I wanted to ask you Brita's at, I mean, I've never applied for a graduate school or anything, but like did, did Pokemon make its way into that process at all for you.

Brit:

no, I'm not. It has for the, this current round, I, I didn't have a CV for whatever reason. I guess you wouldn't really have much reason to, as just an undergraduate. but yeah, I didn't use it. It might've been on my resume, I guess it was six prejudice still, but. I don't know how much they looked at, but no, I didn't mention it on, my statement of purpose, which is sort of the space you would, you would want to do something like that. I don't do it on, on this round either. It's just a little sort of, and note on my CV essentially. but I think it can help you stand out. if you can get them to talk about it. I imagine like, like, with like funding and graduate programs, at least for the humanities, for the most part, a lot of, a lot of where your funding comes from is like your writing sample. Like that's really, really where you want to impress. And of course that's going to be related to your, your specialty, your subject and stuff like that. So you wouldn't be able to, Really incorporated there, but with like law school and things like that, law school was really, really, really just kind of care about your LSAT score. they don't really care about much else. And the L sat is just a game. It's a logical puzzle, which is what Pokemon is too. So, you know, I think there's space to do it on something like that, if you're very good at it. but it's a little different for academia, I guess, because people just don't care about anything, but your ability to research for the most part, which, Pokemon may help, but it's hard. It's hard to convince, older people of something like that.

Brent:

my son is the national chair, he's the reigning us national champion. Let's go, there will never be another, he will always be the reigning champion. and, and I know, I mean, I know both my wife and I felt like, you know, I hope you win something else sort of like, or like leaning on that into the content application process. I mean, I'm so under the impression, I mean, I, I felt like it was true for me, God, like a million jillion years ago, but I, I think it continues to be true today that like there's, you know, having great grades is not super differentiating. It's it's the floor just like good standardized test scores is like the floor. and, well-rounded is, uninteresting and, you know, and all the top tier schools imagine admitting people who are amazing in some way and, and will turn into amazing people. I think Harvard's whole plan when they go through their admissions process is like, well, this person be super famous one day. If so, we should probably admit them. So like eventually they'll

Brit:

Harvard Harvard is like 70% alumni, you know, just legacy people though.

Brent:

Is it? I don't even know.

Brit:

It's really bad. Yeah, no, at the very least with, I think for the most part standardized tests or at least their like importance on exams is really being phased out. There's just lots of studies that prove that they don't do anything. Like you're, you're, it doesn't track success. You could get a 14 on the act and be a valedictorian in college. You know, so much of success is like a workout. Like thing. you know, so then of course, you know, success on the act or the sat is like, well, I gotta take a class or, you know, a special class while I had time to take it. I had the money to take in. So it's, it's, it's deeply entrenched in those sorts of issues. so hopefully they're, they're on their way out, which is why, you know, hopefully the well-rounded person will be in higher demand again, but it doesn't seem that way. Most of the time.

Brent:

No, but I, I believe what I feel like, what should I say that part about work ethic is the part that rings true to me. Like they think to be great, you have to like have work ethic and you know, when you. You say I'm among the best in the world that like anything there, like that, that requires work ethic you're, you're probably the kind of person that's going to be able to figure out how to win it stuff. I'm like super duper pro Pokemon. And in that regard, like, I feel like, schools look at that stuff and see, think very favorably on it. And I agree with your comment about like friends, man. you got to find a friends that are down with that stuff because like, No, it's so tough being a high schooler, but, people gotta be, you know, I, I feel like the internet has made it so, so easy to find communities for almost everything. It makes me hope that, kind of the amount of like hazing and shame that people should feel about things that they feel like are niche interests. is declining because it's so easy to find communities of interest around that thing, you know, like everything's more accessible. but it made me sad to feel like, like somebody as good as em would like be sad about that. I mean, I remember when Andrew Estrada won the world championship and w like, you would hear these stories about like, how he didn't talk about it at, at high school and all that stuff. Like. you know, as a parent, it makes me feel bad that like people can't, you know, let the freak flag fly a little bit.

Mike:

Yeah. Cause, cause you think like if you were a part of a. Baseball team that won the little league world champion chip. You would be like broadcasting that all over. And so, and there really shouldn't, it'd be a difference, right? It's just a different, a different scale, a different, thing that you're passionate about. And yeah, it is unfortunate.

Brit:

fine. It's just hard to convey. I think sort of how impressive, which is of course, various, I think sort of worth mentioning on your, your writing. Like I never, I never really accomplished. Anything, super noteworthy. I was just kind of a consistent player, but like definitely run with it. If you win the world championship or something, don't ever stop talking about that.

Mike:

Okay.

Brit:

I

Brent:

Yeah. Well, and even, I mean, even the consistent outcomes, like that's, that's hard to do, right. Yeah, it's just, you know, so anyway, all right guys, thank you for indulging me. you, you caught me like a weak moment there. you know, Eric Brooks props for like 20 years of steady, outcomes.

Mike:

If you're the same doctor now. So he's, he's, he's done well.

Brent:

Exactly, exactly. That's that's what we're talking about here. People. All right. So let's talk about the players cup too, much like you. I, I have absolutely no idea what happened, but I do know that, Benji went ode to, out with ex-co drill. And I want to take a moment to, give props for a riding, the extradural flag. I, Mike Brett, I know you guys said is matchup look absolutely terrible. so, so there you go. But, Hey, what can you do?

Mike:

Yeah. So here's the info that I am aware of. I saw a couple of people posts from Oceania that they made it through the, I'm going to get his name wrong. I want to say like Christian Assani or something like that. I feel like I'm getting that wrong, but he was the one that popularized the ADP catchers version a couple of months ago. And he ended up making it through with ADP catchers, which is great. there was another ADP that I know made it through Oceania. I feel like I saw some people post from Europe, but I don't really remember it, their results.

Brit:

I think there

Mike:

And then

Brit:

I feel like I saw three, but I could be wrong.

Mike:

promotion. Yeah.

Brit:

I think so.

Mike:

Okay. Yeah, that could be, and then I feel like I saw some Europe stuff, but I don't really remember what it was. and then literally nothing from MNA. except I know I watched Kevin Clemente play his two rounds and he lost both of them, unfortunately. so I know he didn't make it and I know grant didn't make it because. Grant would have played Kevin in the second round. so that's all I know though. And there's a bunch of good players as we talked about last week. So I would have assumed that they would have posted it. They made it through like, like Zach massage and Andrew, but

Brit:

means they're being streamed. I don't think you can win that because I remember when Collin got streamed for the first one and you did too as well. He, Colin couldn't post or even he would didn't wouldn't text me anything about his game. So that would probably be indicative that. I guess at least that they play, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean that they're still in it,

Mike:

Right. That's true. I don't even know when that part of the stream is happening though.

Brit:

be this week. I think it's like a week lag, but maybe, maybe not.

Mike:

Cause they didn't have any stream for the first week. so I don't know. Or at least I'm pretty sure nobody got, asked to speak. The stream the first week. So I don't know. I don't know. What's up, I've don't know the results I would like to know. but I don't.

Brent:

So, so I know the one result that I had put in, in the Google doc was Francesco Catarina, said he got to the grand finals of the players cup with ADP and he posted his list. And a question I wanted to ask you guys is, I don't know if you've looked at that list, but I wondered if it just proved the kind of age old thesis that it doesn't matter. What you do. ADP is just so broken and wins. No matter what I mean, he played two days, one CRO bet, three ADP's

Mike:

ADP.

Brent:

one Darale add-on and one mile while, and I was like, wow.

Mike:

Yeah, it, I mean, it's not an optimal list. It's not a terrible list by any means.

Brent:

Yeah. He went with the double scrapper, any B3, Mel metals. So

Mike:

It makes sense. There you go.

Brent:

yeah, so props to him, he played the, he played the third water. He played no spinners and he played three big charms. So like, and two Verde forest. So like the Verde of forest, instead of the spinners to kind of help him find energy is a, is like a interesting acute thing. And obviously double scrappers is super good.

Mike:

and of the three big terms is super good and they'll do car on mound. That'll match up too, because you protect your own Zambians from being. One shot. So that's like that's super tucked out and he got really rewarded. And sometimes that happens, right? Sometimes you just tack hard for a certain matchup and you hit a bunch of them. Easy money.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. And that's a, B, B the two, turn it. This is, so like, yeah.

Mike:

Great.

Brent:

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. All that stuff is just like juicing those match-ups right.

Mike:

Nice.

Brent:

But, yeah. Props to, perhaps the Francesco for, for getting through, you know, the, the fact that you're, you look at it and you say it's a good list, but not optimal. I'm like, it just goes to show, ADP. It's very good. It's a good card. Should we talk about vivid voltage guys? I feel like, wait. So we started having vivid voltage tournaments. We got lots of stuff to talk about. I could drive you guys through a bunch of tournament results, but why don't you guys go give us your reaction to like what's going on.

Mike:

well, I would love to dive into women's cat, which I will do in a bit, but kind of like my first I'll just give some like a high level impressions. Senator scorch seems to be a very strong deck. It doesn't really didn't really gain anything except the Talonflame, which I think. Some Melissa had been playing some this happened, but I think eventually most of this will play. One of it seems to be doing really well. Sender scores seems pretty good. And maybe just because of, the Metta and how things are shaping up the car, I'm not, I've got a lot stronger with the new, special metal energy, cause it can run that instead of weakness, energy, which I think therefore makes sense, score a little bit better. Set of scores probably wants to play the Gary Tina. Now, if it wasn't playing it already, just for that, ADP hasn't been being played as much as it was before, but it still seems quite strong. I saw Isaiah Bradner posted has kind of a slightly different list of running a bunch of the new Geraci. So maybe that's a direction to take ADP. and then the other big deck I would say is still like pick her up and the lightning MuTu pick her on deck. I think you'll start to see. A lot of like mixtures of those two decks and kind of like, I, when we've already started to see it, some peaker arms are just playing like one or two tos and some of the more lightening me twos are adopting some of the stuff that was in like a typical peek around deck. And so I think that there's going to be like a lot of overlap between those going forward until perhaps there is. I mean, maybe there will always be like separate, optimal lists for both, but there might just end up becoming one like lightning deck that also happens to run the U2 stuff that ends up being just the best version of that. part of the reason that you two, I think more or less has to be run in the figure on is because of the other new BMX card, which is colossal. Cause otherwise you don't really have a good way to combat that deck at all. so those are kind of all of my first impressions watching some of the tournament results the last couple of days. Great. Your too.

Brit:

Yeah, I guess I have, I'll talk a little bit about some decks that I've played, when Mikey does. but I guess really all I would add in terms of general impression is that. at least currently I could really see it being wrong and, you know, not quite finding a place in any, in any deck list, but I've really been impressed with Leon. pretty surprisingly. I didn't, I mean, maybe it's just something I overlooked. I didn't think about well enough, but it's just really in every deck, every list I'm seeing essentially. And, I think for good reason, I'd have to think about it a little more. but it seems really good. And it turned out as to me, I think maybe with, maybe you returned to the scoop of nets, because then it was Leon. you can really push through some, that bigger damage a little bit more so pretty hard. at least three 40, you'll get to three 20 pretty easily, but I think it would have to play nets for that to be really viable. But, Hey, if you're one shutting center scorches really consistently, it's pretty good. And, you know, in theory, you've got your Crow bats to draw. So, maybe you can find the Leon when you need, it seems better, which, As can't use, unfortunately, but if you play Ella Goss, like one Leon seems, pretty easy include and maybe they'll, those will just find a pairing together and ADP lists or something like that. Like maybe you dropped a great catcher and play the Leon if you're playing elder gospel already. I'm not sure, but I think it'll definitely find a home in at least one deck in the format. and then I guess, similarly, Snorlax continues to impress. I think, I don't think it's, it's funny because it's, the format is just not right. It's so close to making a bunch of other ideas viable, but, it's just so hard to build against, all these big decks, like we've talked about so many times. but I think it'll be really good for control decks. I, I know. Sandra has talked about it. I think there was a channel fireball article tactic day from Isaiah Bradner. That was a control deck, with it. and I think it seems really promising there. yeah, it's a really powerful card and, I'm not sure about Geraci like we talked about last time. I don't know if he'll play both one kind of deck we'll play one, but I'm excited to try them just like I said. but I don't, I don't have any, any real experience with the card yet, at least in higher quantities.

Mike:

So I'll kind of use that as a jumping point to talk about. Women's a copy cause a druggie is played in that deck. And depending on the version, you might run two, you might run three, but really the, the thing about your ACI is that since it puts the other car back in the top of the deck, you can't really run the scoop up net engine with this. Geraci it just, you know, what are you gonna do? You're gonna, if you're, you're really only seen one extra. Card when you use two druggies in a row. So it's not really that great. So if you're ready to scoop up here to just run the old Geraci, and you, therefore, I don't think there's really that many decks where you rock want to run four of the new druggie. Bradner had four in his ADP list. Which seems weird to me. I asked him on Twitter about it. He basically his argument for rounding for is that he doesn't want to ever quick ball for it. Cause he wants to use quick ball for other stuff. so he just wants to either start it or naturally draw into it. which is an okay argument. But it's also like you just have a bunch of dead cards in your deck then if you're. I dunno. So I don't know, I got to play around with it and other decks, but at least in Windsor cut two or three seems like the perfect number. Cause you really just want it after something gets knocked out. And just to send up, get an extra card in the early game, you send it up, maybe use it for a turn or two to grab some extra resources, but, really it's there as a pivot after you get. After something gets knocked out and therefore it's also seemingly much better in single prize decks because you get that many more uses if they're only taking one present term. so that's a little bit on Geraci now. Whimsicott is, in my opinion is maybe the best new deck actually to come out of vivid voltage. I imagine colossal will be worked on and eventually be quite a strong deck, but whimsical like immediately, I think. Is very good. I think Azule has, you know, whatever Zulu is kind of like into is going to end up being a little bit more popular than maybe it should be. but the list also gets. Quite good, quite fast. this happened, I think with the combination of, you know, a couple of formats ago, it was kind of Zola's pet deck and the list became very good very quickly because he worked on it so much and played it on stream and people got to, you know, get feedback and whatnot. And so I feel like this has happened with whimsical quite quickly as well. He started with, You started with the greet in, the greet in version, but the heavy Grievant line, I think for three years and four, three, it got bumped up to. and so I think there's three ways you can play whimsical. It pretty much all has the same core of four forelimbs of God. You run into Denae you're on a couple of cheese or choreo. and then, you know, a bunch of tools. the real combo is that you tour, you turn board. I didn't really think about this until I saw it as well, playing it, but you turn board comes back to your hand after you get, after it gets discarded, which is really quite insane. So you, you know, you don't have infinite damage, but, you. Can do a lot more damage over the course we gave him. Then I guess I initially realized so, so you're playing Lafayette because that's a very good card. It kind of helps your draw resources, air balloons, good card Island challenge, amulet to put on your or Korea or DNA. And the U-turn board. So, so you have this core and then you can run a thick green line. You can run a thick Tangina line, which, I have been messing around with mostly, or you could not run either of those and just run a bunch of little basic. So you run maybe an extra did air Crow. Bet you run an L to gas, perhaps you run. Oh, Hoopa. I think, I think Hoopa is probably going to make its way into all of the lists actually after playing it a little bit. it's really nice to have an attacker that is not one to cut. hair across is a pretty cool card that could go in to help with ADP matchup. That's I haven't played the match, but enough with Haircraft to really know if it's worth it. But anyways, so, so there's kind of like we're, I think there's still a lot of experimentation going on with the draw support engine. Of of whimsical, but I think the deck itself is actually pretty consistent. obviously a little bit less consistent than, you know, a big basic deck, but first stage one deck, I think it's quite consistent. and it's very strong. It can go toe to toe is pretty much, any of the big decks in the format. The loop metal matchup is a little tough because they reduce so much damage and Lucara, my mental has resistance to psychic. So it's really hard to one-shot. you need to play scrapper to be able to one shot, through the full metal wall. but yeah, I think it's a really good deck. It's probably going to end up being the best single prize, single Prizer deck in the format and kind of. We didn't really have one last format, but the two formats ago spirit team was the best one. So it's definitely going to be my deck to keep experimenting with.

Brent:

So, so you talked about experimenting with the hair across, I know the list that got ninth at the Atlas open plate, the Latinos GX. And have you, have you developed a theory about how to deal with the ADP matchup?

Mike:

Well, so I think Latinos is definitely worse, because you need it proactively rather than reactively. so you always have to have it one turn before you would need the hair across. so I would, I would always play her at crossover Latinos for sure. but I think hair cross is pretty good against. The ADP metric, because you can actually one shot last year. So generally what would ha you know, in theory, it's DGX you Haircraft their ADP. Maybe they get as Asia and attack off that next turn. If they do, maybe if you can, one shot that's Accion or back, you've probably won the game because it's, you know, it's not that easy for them to chain. right in a row if they can't ultimate. Right. and even if they can, maybe you just get another knockout on that second doc sheet, and then you definitely wouldn't gain. So, you're, it's kind of asking a lot sometimes to get the Kao immediately, if they have is Asha and immediately cause you do need six tools, but you know that in theory, that's kind of how it could play out. Now, the ADP matchup, you might not even need Haircraft. so with the inclusion of Fiona in the deck, You can actually get around the ADP and anything else except the ADP. You can watch it. So in theory, they could go GX, you could go Fiona, kill something, they take a knockout, they go to four prizes. You take, you feel, and again, take a knockout. They take two prizes, you on knockout and you get to six prizes first. So that I think probably her across will end up being worth it because it gives you two lines of play to beat them. And even with both lines of play, I would imagine the matchup is not better than 50 50, but given you're giving you options against ADP. I think, I think people aren't playing ADP that much right now because there's a new format. They want to experiment with new things. But I would imagine that in a couple of weeks, or when the tournaments are a little bit higher stakes and people want to win, want to win. ADP will creep back up to the 25% of the meta-game or whatever that it was before. So I think it'll be important to have multiple answers.

Brit:

Yeah. Like what Mikey said. maybe a little more pessimistic about colossal and, I thought Luke Morsa had a pretty interesting list, I think, that was really sort of healed, focused, very slow. I suspect that that kind of version will probably be better than the other. I saw one, it was, I don't know how I finished, but it was six Oh in Hexter at one point. And it was just like, every day it was just your, your VMX Pokemon with your, with your crushing hammers. Like, there was nothing to it. It was just every other deck, but it had colossal to it, fighting

Brent:

Marlin Philippe.

Brit:

maybe, but yeah, it was just like,

Brent:

Yeah. He'd finished six one, two.

Brit:

Normal. it's seemed okay to me, but like Mike, you said, I think they'll probably get refined. maybe I'll be surprised, but, I like orbital it's. I sort of, I think I said it would be my pet DEC. I'm holding to that, I guess. but it's actually quite a bit better than I expected. I'm still playing with the list. It's just missing something. I don't think it will be competitive, unfortunately. I think it will be. You know, somewhere around drag a pole, maybe in terms of competitive competitiveness. I think, you know, three, three 10, especially just like what you're saying with Leon, it's going to be pretty easy to hit, for eater, not as it's weak to fire, you know, I play a weakness guard energy anyways, but it's not necessarily enough, especially when they have Garrett, Tina and can do three 20. eventually if they're given enough time, it's a lot of fun. you have some pretty, okay. Match-ups think ADP is fairly winnable cause you don't play any, two prizes it's just you're or beetles, I guess. So if they, the regular V gets knocked out before it evolves, but otherwise it's just some Snorlax is Mimikyu and a mr. Mine. but I'm playing around with the lens I copied. I started with, One that I think may top 16 last time, heck stairs. That was really, that plays really heavy, heavily into the tag call engine. I think it plays like three Guzman Hala and like two of all the other ones. And I, I started with, it didn't really, I really like it. And I've always sort of had this opinion of KOOS Mahalla it just never seems worth it. like it's really good and sometimes, and expanded for instance. but it just in this deck specifically, it just like. Your targets don't feel that great. They're not that impactful. So I sort of tried to take the core of that and make it more like a standard supporter line and have been having a reasonable amount of success with it. But I've been playing against a lot of odd decks, for the most part, but maybe it'll surprise me like colossal, but I imagine it'll kind of stay in this position as the format progresses, but hopefully there'll be something fun to try. I haven't, Built anything with Taja kiss yet. And that's the card. I think it's pretty good. I'm not sure what I want to try to play it with, but a lot of, a lot of options there. I think

Brent:

So, I mean, I think I'm just been naturally pessimistic about. Spread decks in this new, like tag team VMX world. Do you feel like, is it really like moving the needle? Like, I would love it if you told me, Oh, we are, we are spreading enough damage to like be meaningful or do you think it just ends up being a pet day?

Brit:

No, I'm not, I'm not certain, but in the back of my head though, the whole time and just like, I'm pretty sure this is just worse than drag a pole. And it's kind of, they're kind of doing the same thing. at least in terms of like spread quote unquote

Brent:

Right, right. Like w with dragon pole you're you're like sniping to try to set up numbers. So it seems like it's like part of a bigger strategy as opposed to just spreading.

Brit:

yeah. That's, that's what I mean, in terms of it's just like missing something. I think maybe you don't. Tack with it. Maybe there's something out there that can interact well with damaged cameras that could maybe go, the energy requirements, because you don't need energy for it. So you can, you kind of have some wiggle room there, but yeah, that's what I mean, like it's, it's good. And in some match-ups the, You're attacked is doing enough damage. I mean, against MuTu. if they don't heal it all off, you can get there pretty fast. Obviously we can't really do it in one turn, but, you can set it up pretty quickly on a lot of things. And then the smaller decks are very good against Geraci pin them down with the mr. Mine. and so those can be really easy prizes if they're not careful with that, or, you know, say there's executive executives, Yeah, I think it needs a partner. And I just, I don't know where to look is where it's kind of my impression.

Brent:

I just feel like they're going to have to say it spreads 20 to everything given the insane Opower created before. I'm like, Oh yeah, it's spreading enough damage to like move the needle, man

Brit:

I wish I had like shrine of punishment or something equivalent. Like that's what I, it's something like that, that I think it's missing. if they made one of those for viz, which I imagine that they will probably at some point.

Mike:

Yeah, the other thing I played, I played a little bit of the, or beetle lifts that did well the other day, I also kind of came to the same conclusion with Guzman holla, not a huge fan of that engine. but the other thing is like, What do you do against decks? That just play like two or three really big Pokemon. Like you're doing, you're spreading like 30 or 60 damage. And, it just, I don't know, maybe decks can't set up with.

Brit:

mean, your attack is a lot of damage, so like, are they beating you without attaching? Because if they only play one or two Pokemon, you do enough damage. You do, you know, almost 200 damage, one 50,

Mike:

That's true. That's true. Yeah. And something like attorneys has, has to play like a bunch of Pokemon, right. To, to get there.

Brent:

Yeah. There's nothing in format that. Move the damage around, right.

Mike:

I don't

Brent:

way to really like punish, the attorneys guys, if it's our suspension gigantic stuff.

Mike:

it would be really cool if that AAA was still in format, that would make it probably quite, quite good.

Brent:

Yeah. Oh yeah. That'd be, that'd be a bonkers. That'd be bonkers. That's what

Brit:

an expanded.

Brent:

But that's, I, I just wonder even then, like, You have to, you have to spread for so many turns. Like, can you lay down enough damage that even if you could do that, like it would be meaningful if, kind of to your point. You know, the only Pokemon on the board are things with 310 hip lines, a lot of damage.

Brit:

no, no, I'll come back. I'll come back next week with probably a hand full of games. I imagine I'll probably try to play it for the Sunday. I've been, if I think it can win six games or something. cause some like it, it's kind of the same story against, like I said, with ADP, but similar to. I think I like drag a pole in, pick her room interacts, crushing hammers aside and that like drug druggable isn't specifically good against peek around pick I'm just, can't like one shot. It is a drag about has like enough time to, to spread enough damage to just like two shot one and then, and then make a, a for price player, something by killing it, the DNA. And so I think it's similar there and that like your ADP matchup is good, just cause they don't one shot you and that just maybe gives you enough time to like hit them. You know, not to say that the spread really is doing anything. You're just kind of taking the prizes, the old fashioned way. And maybe the spread is just bumping your numbers over the line just enough. but yeah, like he turned out, it's just seems really kind of unwinnable to me. They just want you, they'll just one shot you eventually. I think,

Brent:

Yeah. So I I'm interested in like, I mean, obviously you're, you're planned here out, so you're trying to take advantage of spread, to like find knockouts. I'd be interested in how many times you're like, Oh yeah, that that's spread really, really like put me in a position where I can win these games.

Brit:

I think it's the clowns that match up is the spread is great,

Brent:

Right, right before we started recording, we get to watch Brit Pomo, some poor blondes guy.

Brit:

They don't play very many catcher affects. So you just get a chunk block the whole time for the most part too.

Brent:

All right. do we want to talk about Intellia.

Brit:

no, yeah, sure. I can talk about it too. I, I think, you know, depending on what happens to Pika Chu, And it's in terms of its longevity in the meta-game. I imagine it will probably stay Tupac Mueller, which I think will probably make playing IntelliJ on just impossible. but I think it's, I think just with Leon, like we've talked about, it gives you the ability to like two-shot IE turn artists, which is maybe enough because really obviously the biggest card is the telescope. I I'm blanking on what it's called telescopic sight, something like that

Mike:

maybe.

Brit:

Yeah. Yeah. it's really, really good. It puts on pressure really fast. I think maybe, I think I saw the clowns maybe trying it for their Kramer it's too. and it's just a really good card. And maybe actually, maybe something like that. You maybe you could just play like a frost, small Cramer rant and just try to win something like that. That'd be fun. but yeah, I'm just impressed with the cards and think that if sent scorch it's been the most played deck for this short period of time, that vivid voltage has been legal and, that's always a very good matchup. so I think depending on, and it always kind of had an okay ADP matchup. Like if you. Drew really well, it was pretty easy. but you had to get the turn to max bullet, which is asking for a lot, I think. but yeah, I think it will maybe find its way back into the metagame a little bit more. So if Pekichu can go away

Mike:

Yeah. I really liked that tool card. I really don't know. I do wonder as well, if there's a deck that can really abuse it and make it less of a kind of a tech card, like you said, blends might run one. Telium probably runs two, I imagine. but I do wonder if there's some deck that could run like three of them and really make it a focus of the deck. so that's something cool to try and think about maybe over the next couple of weeks, the only other, the only other deck that I want to mention is Charles art. And I want people to stop playing it because every time I play it on ladder, I get pissed that I'm like good wasting a game. I'm like, I'm going to beat you. Like I know this deck is not good. Stop trying to make it good.

Brent:

I wonder, I wonder if people will try to play a telescopic lens with like something like taboo, cocoa and expanded. Like, I wonder if it has placed an expanded where you have like, like really crazy,

Brit:

Oh yeah. I think it's a really a good addition to the mew. Kramer and deck seems like a no brainer. They're good. Old Kramer, right?

Brent:

But that's like with Coco, if you were attacking everything on their bench, I mean, you can add a lot of damage output. Of course, they have to a lot of these and, and they really have to walk into it. Right.

Brit:

Yeah, a lot of those counter box decks, kind of, at least in the past, kind of relied on Coco, just to try to get some damage on the board while you waited for them to knock something out. So maybe in maybe in that, I don't remember if it's any good and expanded still, but it has been, I believe, or at least like the Zuora arch deck was similar. just one damage on the board. Something again with maybe with that taboo Layla.

Brent:

Right. All right. Should we talk about a couple of the tournament results and just see if there's anything else that, that jumped out at you guys? The pokey X, seasoned three number four cash vendor wins. It was sentenced Gorge. Tom Brophy comes in second. I think they were playing like same 60 and they both played Talonflame V and I know they would have never discovered it if it was not for the pod. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So fan fantastic work guys, breaking the break in the meadow. then, let's see. Then it was like, what came after that?

Mike:

There's was the Sunday open, which I think Brophy lost in the finals. To someone. Cause I remember I was watching Pedro Torres his dream cause he made top eight and he played against Brophy would send a skirt and top and it was like, it was so cringey to watch Pedro lose both game one and three. He stamped them to one and he just hit the boss stamped in one.

Brent:

Must be nice masking eyes. And then, and then there's the Hexter, top deck number seven last night, 137 players won by ADP peak

Mike:

No look metal

Brent:

Luke metal. I'm sorry, Luke metal. And, and I wanted to complain cause, yeah, the, the logo, the little, like a graphics that they put together, they show the cardio and then they sort of show station, but for peek around, they show Pikachu and Zachary, no metal, no love. Yeah. Like what's the, yeah. So, then, Marco Sufuentes comes in, get runs, mew, and a welder then, right. It's very tiny. And then as it all gets, it gets there with whims. But, any thoughts, like, does this tell us anything about the Metta or people just like playing pet decks or like, it was like eight different decks in the top eight in the Hexter tournament.

Mike:

I mean, I think people are experimenting with different decks since it's early in the format, but there's no deck. And even the top 16 that I would consider a bad deck. Like I think people are still playing strong decks. They're just maybe. Not always picking the absolute strongest, cause we're still experimenting, figuring stuff out. I think probably if everybody was trying to play the strongest deck all the time, everyone would just still be playing ADP. But, it's you know, people are experimenting a little bit, but I've, I feel like this is a good, pretty good indication of the meta and how it's going to continue to progress.

Brit:

and it all seemed pretty standard to me, just, some, some good sentence coach players did well. And, people doing well with the lightening, me to death cause was really all that kind of, seemed to. I assume to see people post about over the weekend. but yeah, I guess just the Windsor caught, I think is we've talked about it a lot already. It might be the biggest surprise.

Brent:

So is one's a kind of hard to play or is it, is it. brain dead. Like, is it just a matter of like find your a U-turn boards and obliterate people?

Mike:

I mean, I think there's a decent amount of sequencing stuff. I saw Zuora misplay quite, quite a bit. And like, he, he would like recognize them as play, after the fact as well. It's not that I. Would always recognize it, but, I mean, just like you, sometimes you need to think ahead of, do I want to discard this tool or that's not a U-turn board or this tool? Should I leave the lucky egg on my active or should I discard it? Because if I leave it on my active, then maybe I get to draw cards, but if I do leave it on my active, then that's one less tool that I have to discard later in the game to do damage.

Brent:

output or do I need cards?

Mike:

Right. And so I think there is like a lot of micro decisions that do go into the deck. It's probably not the hardest deck in the format to play, but I definitely don't think it's brain dead. The only other thing I'll say is that, you know, we talked about all the standard events. I do think expanded is slowly creeping back to being played a little bit. I know there's a. I think there's a big expanded event. This coming weekend, either poke or hyper Lux or someone is running an expanded event and limitless is run expanded events the last two weeks on Fridays, which. Expanded feels much more playable. Now with some of those bands I played in the lemme list. One last week I played, the, not the mew deck, the MuTu in you. It's like and all the good stuff. and so expanded, it feels pretty fun. I'm excited to see what vivid bolt does and I hope people will run more expanded events regularly because it'd be cool to act, to see an actual medic game start developing and expanded rather than people just playing. whenever they feel like, which is one of the cool things about expanded, but like a metagame would be also cool. Cause then there's a lot of counter play since there's so many cards available, so.

Brent:

Have you played any expanded?

Brit:

no, and I'm not sure that I will. I just don't have, you know, like I've said, my account was. In hibernation for most of PGC Joe's existence. So I just really only have the most recent cards, and maybe I'm wrong, but I just sort of assume that older cards are much harder to trade for. I just imagined that the, there are lots of public trades floating, at least for kind of the Otter cards. I would like to, if there was a easier way to get them, I would be interested. but I I'll probably just, especially, I don't have a ton of time still. My semester is winding down. I'm busy writing papers the next two weeks. but I like expanded. I would really want to play, but it'll, it'll take me a second to get expanded cards going on my account.

Brent:

So did, did he draw any conclusions about, about like what the good decks are or the Metta or anything like that in the game you played Mike?

Mike:

I'll mute to amuse still each of you still very good. I think, I think a Turnitin Zuora is not that good. And I, I assumed it was going to be better than it was, turbo, dark ended up winning the second event. And it's funny cause it like, it didn't turbo, dark was not played at all the first week. And I was thinking that maybe it could be good. and then I ended up winning. So that was cool. Peek around is very popular in expanded. but I also don't think it's, I think it's, I think it's a good deck, but I don't think it's like as good as how poppy, how popular it is. I think it's overplayed. If that makes sense. yeah. So, I don't know. I think that the drag of pole garbage door deck is also very popular and that seems okay to me, it seems that deck seems like too fair.

Brent:

Yeah, I assume that is that, is that really just popular because to fan played it and not popular for like any other particular reason. Like I recognize, you know, if you get a Garba tox and you're like, this is pretty good.

Mike:

Yeah.

Brit:

Yeah, it doesn't strike me as being your best pairing. It's just like recency bias. I want to play the purple Pokemon.

Mike:

right.

Brit:

but maybe it, maybe there's a matchup that dragon Paul just shuts down. That's the thing. I just don't know where, what games drag a pole is like winning you compared to, you know, just a vanilla grandpa type attacker or something.

Mike:

like I was, I assumed that that would be a really terrible matchup from you. Just like I'm weak. They one shot me, whatever, and I beat two of them and one of them wasn't particularly close. So I dunno, it didn't really impress me. I think probably there's various control installed decks that are very good. I think the new treadmill or list is under explored. So I think there's a lot of cool stuff that could come out and expanded the other. the other thing, I, I don't know if you saw this, but, Pablo is going to be running a series of events over, I guess, the next month or two, and it's going to be the sword and shield on format. So I think that's on me one, two, three, four sets. So I think that's also something else that I'm kind of looking at if I have a little time to, to explore. I think that would be a cool format to look at.

Brit:

I really want to, I think it's like a Friday morning, so it's during like one of the classes that I teach. So I don't think I'm going to be able to do it at least for a while, but yeah, I'm intrigued. I think Pablo will do a good job of far fostering a sort of alternative format community. Curious. I don't think it'll, it's one of those things where, you know, it's, I don't know how indicative it'll be of what will be good when things rotate. There's just kind of too many sets. Still, and we don't necessarily know what they'll do. but totally fun. I'm sure I'm, I'm intrigued. It will be, you have such a, such a Cardpool you can get kind of goofy. Sometimes. I remember when I was doing my coaching for six prizes, I coached this girl in Russia and Russia at the time, this was. 2015, 2016, I think, had just gotten cards. but they only had the four most recent sets.

Brent:

It was like X Y on, right.

Brit:

was that?

Brent:

It was like X, Y on.

Brit:

Yeah. Yeah. And so it was just, I, I was coaching her, but I had to learn this format and that it was a ton of fun. Like it's like, it's like this, there was only four. So you just really had a lot of, didn't have much room to work with. And so, just like very strange things were good. Like a part of the metagame was this Golich, I forget what it did, but it was just kind of a beefy,

Brent:

Oh, this was, this was the Goler that was like psychic, but it also was like, Typed. So, so like a yeah, I dunno. I don't know what that means. You can hit

Brit:

I don't remember. I think it just did like 60 and you put the evolution back in their hand or something like that. And it was just good enough. but I think the other best deck was like Lou Carrio bats, was really good. I think I tried to make CRO, but like Chromat and the next trick, I mean, not crab, like toad. Well, I guess you wouldn't have had toad. I don't remember, but I remember that Lou Carrio was really, really good,

Brent:

I'm a electric that's was the thing,

Brit:

Right. But that's what I'm saying. I think it would be a fun, enjoyable format.

Brent:

when I go through Twitter, because my son is not on social media at all. Anytime I see a deck that I'm like, Oh, I like this. I sent it to my son. And the only decks I've sent him recently are the expanded decks. I see people playing. It seemed like one of the decks that had really well limitless was, the Snorlax V max with Zuora work. And maybe it turns out that's just a better partner than a turn into this. Cause you kind of get to the same place, right?

Mike:

Yeah. And I think, I don't really remember Snorlax attack exactly. But I assume we do more damage. cause I think it's 60 plus 30. That sound right. So two 80.

Brent:

Yeah. And they're, I mean, they're playing for sky field, so you kind of get there right.

Mike:

Yeah. And you don't have to really worry about, I mean, like you have dark patch, so you're not really attaching twice, but you don't even, you don't have to worry about attaching twice. Right. You just hit him with the triple and go.

Brent:

Right. Right. And you can do the whole, like, you know, drop down eggs to fill your bench, like stupid Aon and pseudo Buddha or the other guy to like deal with those problems. Like

Mike:

Right, right.

Brent:

cheap stuff.

Mike:

So that, like, that's a big issue. I think, I think the, the B only being able to play dark Pokemon is a much bigger hindrance and expanded than it is in standard because there's so many good, not dark Pokemon that you would want to play in your deck and expanded or in standard. It's like, Oh, I can't play the DNA. All right. Not that big a deal. but in, you know, expanded, you want to be able to place who, who you want to be able to play, execute. You want to be able to play, all of these different potential cards and it really restricts your deck construction by only being able to play for, for Zuora, for Crow bat and your attorney. Bye.

Brent:

Yeah, the, the other, the other expanded deck that I saw, I saw Zach there, Kansky tweeting about. The primal Groudon list that he was working on on stream apparently. And it made me realize that it's important to send a message to Pokemon that they need to errata parental grout and to be much bigger and more powerful, because I do not like to live in a world where primal Groudon does not have enough hit points or do enough damage to be like viable and a Metta. It just seems like no justice, you know,

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

love that deck so much. I can't, I can't really express it in words, but like I suspect that only being able to hit for 200 means it's just not good enough.

Mike:

Yeah. Yeah, probably not.

Brent:

So I am.

Mike:

Yeah. The other thing that has surprised me a little bit is ADP doesn't seem to be broken and expanded. maybe it's. Like people are kind of playing ranger, but like, not that much, I don't know. ADP Z has not played in that in a super large amount. Maybe there's another ADP deck, but I don't know. It seems like maybe that's like the next thing to be looked at as maybe ADP is broken and expanded. Nobody's really figured out the best partner for it.

Brent:

That's an interesting question. Would you ever play it with bronze on like, or do you just have better ways to recover like metal energy

Mike:

Well, you don't even need to really play it with a metal thing cause you can just run double dragons.

Brent:

Oh,

Mike:

yeah. So like I was thinking maybe you could run like the, like if you guys remember like the old dark dragon deck that ran like dark cry and the Gira Tina with double dragon energy, you could do that with ADP and then you could still run the gear, Tina maybe even guaranteed the X for, for its chaos wheel. so I dunno, I feel like there's something there though. Like. ADP is too broken to not be good in the format.

Brent:

Yeah. And cast wheels, screen attack people look cast wheel.

Brit:

I think it's the dark box stack. I think that is that, that is just the better version compared to ADP Z, because you get so much of the broken doc dark cards that expanded has to offer it. Cause I remember when, when I was getting ready for Collinsville, that was like told to me as, You know, being a big deck that may be with the new cards, not so much with Zay Sheehan, but with dark rye, for those reasons, every reason you guys just said, guaranteed, you know, you still get the GX and dark patch, lasers, things like that. But I think it just has a lot of options, but maybe it's just not good enough. It's so hard to know it expanded. I feel like expanded. His biggest problem is just that there's too many decks. and you can't, you just can't beat them all. you can't be at all of a particular kind, like there's so many decks that most of them fit into. You know, one of a couple of categories and it's just, you can never do it all for the most part. So I feel like that just always hinders it in some way, but maybe this ban in one more round or something would fix that. but it's always just hard to find cards hard to really test everything. There's too many, too many options, too many things to worry about.

Mike:

that's true.

Brent:

All right guys, another amazing hour of Pokemon value. Is there any other stuff that we wanted to cover today?

Mike:

I don't think so. I am. I'm getting ready. I need to eat dinner before playing in this full grip tournament at seven.

Brit:

nice. Good luck.

Brent:

Oh, did you commentate last night?

Mike:

I did not come into it last night. No, I'm going to come in Britain. I owe you a big plug before we get out. Brett and I are commentating poker stats invitational this weekend. so that's going to be exciting. Come watch us. I don't know what time we start maybe around noon on Saturday. Yeah.

Brit:

Yeah, hopefully we'll figure out the, who's what role I'll be. The colored coordinator, Eric color commentator or whatever.

Brent:

the, the, the, you know, I mean, people just want people to just want us to bring the pod to the stream. It doesn't matter. They just, they're just fans. People want it. Oh, that dude, that's very exciting to hear.

Brit:

it goes well, I'm excited.

Brent:

It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, that's that's right, right out of the gate. That's exciting. My God. Awesome. Awesome. All right. Anybody want to say something to that? I wrap the pot up with

Mike:

Nope. Check us out on Saturday. We'll see you next week.