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Hi, we're the good ship illustration. And we run online courses to help illustrators and image makers navigate your career. We are Tania, Katie, and Helen. We have about 70 years experience between us, each of us working in a different area of illustration. Okay, so we're gonna have a chat about the Bologna children's book fair. So if you're into making picture books, you might have heard of the fair already. We all went away a few years ago, 10 years ago. 2018? Yeah, I was looking at photos. It doesn't seem that long ago. Does it? 2018 We all went. Anyway, we've gathered together all of our tips and advice. Yes. And it's very timely, because we're going again, this year. It's 2024. When we're recording this, but hopefully it's useful for future bologna as well. Yeah. So yeah, we're gonna grill Helen because Helens made this incredible document, which you'll get. Yeah, should we start with? Let's get going? Yeah. Because what is Helen, what is the Bologna book fair? So the Bologna Book Fair is the world's largest children's book fair. It's a massive event. And all of the publishers from all over the world arrive there once a year. And the purpose of the fair is to sell coalition's, to other countries. So they're going to try and sell all of their picture books to other countries. And they buy core editions from other publishers, so they're all there to do business. But it's not just for publishers, there's loads of stuff going on for illustrators now. And I remember when I went, the first time I ever went, I don't know, I have no idea how long ago it was, maybe 2004 or something like that. And there was the illustrators exhibition and a few things for illustrators, but not like it is now the survivors corner wasn't survive. illustrators for for survival corner wasn't there. I'm not sure if the illustrators cafe was there. So it's just got the illustrators aspect has got bigger and bigger and bigger over the years. So it's well worth a visit. There's lots of illustrators representation isn't having some of the I think Cambridge, illustration course will be there. They've had stands before. I don't know if they're going to do that again. But they usually have a stand to exhibit all of the work, Scooby have won as well, don't they? Yeah, WBI were less. And our friends at Orange Beach studio. They were doing folio reviews for people one year, maybe there'll be there again. So that's good. So I've got figures here. Do you need figures? Give us give us some numbers? Yeah. So on the last fair, there were about 1500 exhibitors from 100 countries and regions of the world got that was all when I was on the website, I noticed there's something like 28,000 people visit. Wow. Yeah, it's massive. It's a massive, you couldn't see it all in a day. It's huge. It's across three days, isn't it? Four days or four days? Four days? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the next thing is, you might be hearing this and being like, do I need to go? Should I be there? So that's the next thing. Should I go? Shall I go? Well, I if you if you have the means to go, I would go and have a look. Because it's just so incredibly inspiring, isn't it? Yeah, it's life changing. Even if you're not a children's book illustrator, which, you know, I didn't view myself as that. But it just makes you think I think I will be a children's book illustrator is so inspiring, you get a massive world view of the publishing industry. But at the same time, you don't have to go because I was published for maybe five or six years before I ever went, you don't need to go it's not a way into publishing. I mean, it might be but you don't need to go. It's just a fun thing to do. And it's so inspiring. Because I I'd been in, I've been published for five or six years before I decided to go. And I felt in those five or six years that my work had been kind of shaped into like publishers kind of shaped my work into what the British market want. And when I went to Bologna, I was just blown away. I was like, wow, look at all the different stuff they do all over the world. So it doesn't if your work doesn't fit into whatever market you live in this all you're always going to find a publisher somewhere who is going to love your work. It's just a variety is huge. It's amazing. That was definitely the my big takeaway was like, there has to be room for my work in the world. Because there's so much so many genres and places out there. And remember, we were walking around to those even bits where you pointed things and be like, That's disgusting. And you're like, but somebody's getting paid to do it. It's amazing. That was like just yeah, you can it's you can either be overwhelmed or really inspired, I think is like trying to shuffle yourself towards being the most amazing industry overview. And I think, you know, quite often people come to picture book Making and they don't really have a full picture. You know, what the world could publish and you just want to say go there. Look at that, and you'll see anything is possible. And it's a big, sophisticated and complex world. And also the inspiring side it's a bit like going to 50 galleries all at once because the work is so beautiful. Yeah, you just come home feeling like everything's past Trouble. I mean, you're exhausted. You just have to lay down for a week. I've booked a week off after our visit this year, because I need a week to recover. Good either. Yeah. But that leads nicely on to the next bit. So the benefits of visiting the book fair, like, what's the point? Why would you go? Well, networking? I hate that word. So you meet nice people, you make new friends. Yeah, that's really lovely. You get really inspired by all the incredible artwork there, you realize there's probably a space in the industry for you, even if you don't see your work published in your country, somewhere is publishing it. Get the big world view on publishing, I'm going through my list wider written. Oh, there is some incredible talks and workshops go on there are they're incredible. So there's the illustrators survival corner that was called, I think survival corner, or have written in the document can't remember. And they're just back to back talks by industry professionals and agents and other illustrators how to survive, how to get your work published. They do folio reviews there as well. I went to the New York Times talks, I think it was a whole morning of talks back back. They were incredible, really, really interesting. People who would like a huge panel of the most successful publishers in the world. And, you know, I was getting really in depth about how this book had been picked up and how they decided to publish it. Yeah, brilliant. You can get folio review publishers, or do folio reviews, sometimes they just open their doors, and you can join a big queue and have a folio review. Or sometimes if you're just wandering past a publisher, and you're like what they're doing. You could give them a postcard and say, you know, as you hand them the image, say, Would you like to see my folio? And hopefully they'll love your postcards and say yes. And then there's bologna itself? Yes. Italy, Italian food, sunshine, even in March, April. It's it's warm, and the food as well as lovely. And the bookshops. Yes. There's an amazing bookshop. You've written the name of it in this document somewhere. Yeah. So there's one in what's the main square called Piazza Maggiore. There's a bookshop in that main square. I can't remember what it's called. And there's another one in the university Strip District called in us, which is an incredible bookshop. Yeah. You can turn it into a holiday every bit as well paint you can also there's the, the exhibition, the illustrators competition, is it or the illustrators exhibition, just for that alone to see the competition, I so much work, the amazing wall, the illustrators wall, million billion postcards stuck to it. So on the first day you arrive, that wall is completely bare, if you get there early enough on the first morning, and then within like the first hour or two, it's absolutely covered in artwork. So you can take along samples. I mean, you can take whatever you like, you could take a huge poster, but you're fighting for space with all the other illustrators. And I think you might not be very popular if you did that. So everybody takes like, biggest it's like a postcard or a tiny poster. And yeah, by the end of the first morning, it's just full of stuff. You could take a little box and fill it with business cards and fasten it to the wall. You can take biscuits kicked in. Sunday, this is a kind of bribe to take the business cards. Yeah. So yeah, you should definitely take some business cards, maybe a biscuit, and maybe some postcards, little posters, stick them on the illustrators wall, hand them out to anybody whose hand you can find. I remember when we were there, there was somebody with a ginormous hat with the illustrations on it. And it was like sea creatures and things. And I'm sure if I went on Instagram years later, it was like it's you from Bologna. So you can be really easy creative energy into that sort of thing. Just the big sandwich board and change the the the big print every hour and next thing is accommodation, isn't it? Is it? Oh, yeah, you need to get your accommodation booked nice and early. I mean, you don't have to my partner Jerry went a few years ago, he got selected for the illustrators exhibition, which was very exciting. So he went off by himself one year, but he didn't book his accommodation to the last minute. So he was in like a tiny Tupperware box size room with no windows. But he didn't mind because he was at the book fair all day. But it's handy if you book a bit early because the whole of Bologna just gets filled with the publishing industry. So you're gonna miss the good rooms, maybe three months early as a kind of good target. Yeah, I think so. I'm sure I get the feeling that all the publishing people they book at the moment they come back from the organizer. Yeah. Cheaper as well. Probably pets work for them. And we're eager beavers we'd put up with anything. Didn't you say there's a camps? Yeah. When the first year I went years and years and years ago, lots of my friends went camping up Apparently, I mean, back then there was a campsite really near the book fair. We should have come. I don't know where it is. I wish I could tell you the name of it. But maybe you can ask around. I'll do a Google search. But yeah, lots of my friends camped on that first year. I went, we stayed in student halls didn't we was really good. It was brilliant. Wasn't it was like a huge youth hostel was only 20 minutes to by bus to get there. But yeah, yeah, it was walkable as well. We walked the first morning. Yeah. Which is madness. And we're on a walk and you're going to do when you get to the fair? Yeah, definitely need comfy shoes and blister plasters. Oh, you really do? That's a good one blister plus as well, because it's inevitable, isn't it? It's like going on a big hike. Because I made the same mistake. I was about 20 minutes away. That time we visited walk there and then got there was it? Oh, no. The whole day is walking like football pitches. Yeah, yeah. But as well as booking your hotel, it's a good idea to book your tickets for the book fair as well, which you can book online on the website, you get the early bird discount? Well, I did. But I still missed out on the illustrators discount. Tanya, you're gonna get we don't know how you did. It said, illustrators register here. I miss footgear discount for translators and illustrators. So you do that you get code, then you go back in your book, your ticket user codes. Me and Helen, were too impatient. Yeah, I'm too impatient. I was just like book a ticket, and then spend too much money on it. But the good thing about buying your ticket early is that you don't need to join the queues when you get there. Yes, it is printed out your thingy at home. Yeah, and your lanyard and ceiling. Also, talking of lanyards where we're going, we're going to at the bottom of this talk in the console. Wherever we're going to stick this talk. Beside it, we're going to have a printable so you can print out the little good ship picture and stick it in the back of your lanyard so that we can spot you when we're there. We can support you and also you can support other good ship people. Yeah, yeah, I think if you spot someone wearing one shout a hardship. waiver. Yeah, make a big thing. Yeah. That's a good idea. We can make up like that. I'm gonna take the good ship flags. I'm going to look at telescopic flagpoles on Amazon today. Because I don't want to take a big stick on a flight or through an international conference with your giant slip. couldn't be here because I stick this conversation she was arrested. So should we talk about what to prepare what you might need with you? Yes. And this is good. I think you should talk about managing expectations as well. Because when Yeah, what I mean, maintaining a booth mentioned, you know, you go there, you're like, I'm going to speak to publishers and get a big deal. And Tonya mentioned the words military operation. And I vote no. I think it's very tempting to think you're gonna go there, and you're gonna get a meeting with as many people as possible. And there's nothing wrong with doing that. Yes, definitely. You could make that a plan. But I would say that the whole thing is so overwhelming, and it's so full of people. And the publishers are not there to see you. They're there to sell cool additions to the publishers. It's their absolutely busiest time of year. They're frantically busy and have been for the since Christmas until the fair is all they think about. So when you're at the fair, trying to get a whole list of meetings and get your work in front of their eyes is really hard. So I'm not saying don't try. But don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out. It's almost like worth setting goals that you can really control and they're really the bar is really low, isn't it? Like yeah, the goal is eat nice food be inspired. Yes. Have a nice time chat to some other people. Anything else happens? It's a bonus. Yes, exactly. I've never gone to show my folio ever. Because to me that just seems unthinkably overwhelming. I don't know how I would do it. And if I set myself the goal and I didn't do it and there's all those cues are there people to just show their work at the open portfolio reviews and you see they're standing there for an hour really frustrated because they could be looking at other things and then they're gonna get six minutes with someone who probably make some quick judgments that could perhaps be a bit really mixed feedback from people about those folio reviews because everybody's so busy and so like you had one of these had too much brown Yeah, because it was it was literally five minutes and the liquid more work and the length used too much BROWN Next okay. Now looking for what was your key key color was brown brown yesterday yellow, like pop up yellow, that is a thing in publishing. That is a thing that people told me that I think I'd read probably mistakenly that you should go and try to try and see people so three months before I launched by military operation. How did it go? Well, it was quite a good exercise in trying to find out are you like this publisher? What's the name of the art director so all the LinkedIn detective work fine, and then you write to them say, Have you got a spare slot to see see me I wouldn't do that again now because I think I've kind of been misled into thinking that was that's what you should do. Like you're saying have manage expectations, but also we had right To sell on another book. So it was a bit like, we will only see these people from other countries, just the ones, but I wouldn't do it again because it stops you thinking and enjoying what's around you. Or you can I think it's if you get there really early on a morning before it gets busy, it might be a nice idea to wander around with a whole load of samples in your hand, approach a stand and if you get if you if you do happen to get chatting to somebody, and it's nice, just say, Oh, here's my sample, would you like to take it? Or? Or would you have five minutes to look at my folio and just hand the sample and they can look at the image and hopefully they love it and they go on then five minutes. And those I think those kinds of interactions are nice, but go in there with that attitude of being open to accepting things like that happening, but not be like it has to happen. Whereas my whole trip has been a failure. Yeah. Would you say take it take your tablet and a PDF? Yeah, was it just in case? Yeah, it is. It is her Tiki tablets. Take your time. Oh, yeah, definitely. On the things to prepare for my god pack your Viton haven't written that on our list. We should definitely rock it. And yeah, Baraka anything that gives you energy to face another day because after the second day, and you think your feet have been ground down to stumps, you really need something to get you back in there because you want to keep keep luckier so much to see. Yeah. So your folio? Yeah, I would say to either take your iPad or your laptop or something and have your folio on there as a PDF. If you publishers really like to see sketchbooks, so if Yeah, if you've got a couple of tiny sketchbooks that you can carry, they're not heavy, you could stick those in your pocket. You definitely want some samples to stick on the illustrators wall, maybe a business card, maybe postcards, maybe a small poster folded up. And it's an interesting really like if you could get a something made in a nice shape or screen, print some things, anything that people are going to love so much that they want to take it home and stick it on their wall, and they won't forget you because they're going to meet so many people, your samples need to stand out, it'll be handled so many rectangle things. Yes, rectangle, postcards, rectangle business cards, and then they'll just get slid into the recycle bin. When Jerry went Jerry took some Prince of Wales on to newsprint so that the paper was really light, and it would fold up very small. And he gave a few people those things. And that was good. He does get contacted after the book fair. So yeah, if you can think of something unusual. It's not heavy for the publisher to take home and they might stick on their wall. Even badges, we do badges. Oh, I see anybody who sees us come and see us because we were having hundreds of salty badges made at the moment, aren't we? I mean, do you have boring postcards as well, you can have one of them. Making them boring on purpose. Yeah. Black and white. Brown, Brown. So the next bit on the document says watch sample should I take I think we've just talked about that. Some people were printing out kind of a4 stuff when they so if you haven't had got, if you haven't got postcards printed, even if at the last minute you print, you know, 20 things out on a for rip them in half a five size, you'll get them on the illustrators wall. So that would be something to leave behind if you you know, if you haven't prepared, or you could take dummy books. So if you've got a book idea, you could make that idea into a little demo book, you know, just out of paper and sell it, stick it together to make a little dummy book. If you do have a really lovely meeting with somebody, and they want to get in touch with you when you get home and they're excited. Give them your dummy book. I mean, I wouldn't hand it out everywhere. And I wouldn't stick it on the illustrators wall, obviously. But if you have a very fruitful, lovely meeting it it'd be a nice idea to hand over a little dummy book. I think the sketchbooks for the dummy books, where it's at, you know, the real artists in the handmade the, I think those feel special to art directors are the art editors and they you know, they're much closer to you than the regular humdrum examples of illustrators, those things are gonna really stand out against polished postcards and business cards. Really, they've really worked on that. And we're a bear a and put some onions around your neck. And then wave is actually a bike would be really handy. I was gonna mention the Bologna bookfair illustrators exhibition. That's amazing, isn't it? So it's these huge long tables, there's maybe six or seven of these huge long tables with the artwork laid out on them and then glass over the top. And everybody's browsing up and down these tables and the works now credible. Oh, it's so good. So people, you can enter your work into this exhibition. And I've written down figures here. So in 2023, there was 17,000 submissions submissions by 3500 people from sick 81 countries and out of all of that, the long list was 344 and The people who made the show was 79. What? Yeah, so it really is the creme de la creme de la. Yeah. And when I first went, there was never a British illustrator on there ever. And as the years have gone by, you see a few, one or two and then a few more and a few more. And I think the Cambridge art school MA in illustrating for children has made a big difference. You see lots of those people there. My Jerry got in one was very proud of it. And and we've got people from who've done our Goodship courses. You're in there. He's very excited. And we're gonna be the squealing. Have they made the final pit? Yes. And some of the I think so. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Some people made the long list. Some people have got into the show. So yeah, well, that's brilliant. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. modulations. To those? Yeah. So you could enter. I have written down if you want to enter the exhibition yourself. You've got to do it. Between July and October in the previous to the fair. It's worth it's a long shot. It's worth it. Gotta be in it to win it. Exactly. Yeah, we always push that the the call for entries, you know, out on the Facebook pages and things. I mean, you're guaranteed to get your work in front of the right eyes. If you get an exhibition, all the publishers are there. The exhibition then tours for I think it's for a whole year, two years after. Yeah. And there's a printed annual as well. So if you don't get to see it, you can buy the annual Yeah, the annual is amazing. Yeah. And then there's the illustrator survival corner. Yes, that's where all the twist. shops and stuff are. We will be there one day. We did get invited ones do you remember, but they invited us about three weeks before the actual thing. And we hadn't booked flights. So we need to email them this year and three weeks before and we're like, yes, again. Yeah, we could. We could Yeah. So I've put heading on the document here saying feeling overwhelmed. Yes. This was my experience, because I got so excited about going there. When the first day spokespeople all diligence other illustrators in the queues. And so I had a brilliant time, spoke to everybody got home and then the next day, I was like, I can't go back to busy too much. So I did just like give myself a day off, but then I felt really guilty about needing time off afterwards. And I think I just didn't, everyone told me it's going to be overwhelming, but I didn't expect it to be overwhelming. Yeah, so yeah, it's like being a big mad party isn't you're just having the wild is time for when you have a sleepy thing, right. That's quite enough of that. Because your adrenaline is surging. Just exhausting, isn't it? Yeah. It's just so exciting. And you feel like anything could happen. There's also that thing what do you call it? Calm? Perry. Itis. Yes. That's a big danger. All these published people competition winners incredible. Other people's artwork. Everyone's works amazing. Oh, by so terrible like that. That can come up a little bit as well. Yeah, put the gates up against that in your mind. And there's kind of no point doing it again, as a legend yourself over and being inspired. And why do you love their work? What is it that they're doing? Like getting really excited? Not just like beating yourself up? Yeah, carry on selling your own ship with your homework? Yeah, so I think the best thing to do is just go and soak it all up, come back, feeling inspired, meet some people. Do you know what I really like to do is if I go to an interesting talk, I like to wait for everybody else to leave the room and then go and talk to the person who's just given the talk. That's a really nice way to get to speak to somebody. And they're kind of buzzing because they've just done the talk. They'll appreciate as well, the quiet while you're doing the talking to everybody, you need a bit of feedback. And then those talks are so good, because they're about things that are happening in the industry right now. They have things are changing, you know, it's not trend based as such, but what's happening in children's picture books. They're really good, though. Those are the relationships. Yeah, they're brilliant. I think the way we're doing it this year, because we're already getting ready for one full day. I'm really excited about doing that. Because I feel like I know I can't do everything. Yeah, and I know that I'll be with you too. So we can just show up and be like we are here. This is great. And then we can go home and be like, Oh, I haven't done everything. Oh my goodness. There's a hole that I haven't even looked at. What is it that hole? What about those other people that message on Instagram? Like that'd be none of that it'll just be relaxed flow can do what you can only do what you can do. I remember when we looked at all the books and we'd been to those great sections like the Korean sections were the guys that published Chris Horton's books, and then you suddenly stumble into the Chilean publishers and like, wow, public publishing in Chile is really forward and progressive and interesting. And then over the other side, you see it, that's the whole licensing section. Or maybe there's something for me in licensing, but it is just so overwhelming and feeling like you have to use every single day of the four days, I think will burn you right. I was just gonna say there that made me think when I first when I used to go years ago there were barely any American publishers because they weren't really interested in selling or buying coalitions because they're such a huge country. themselves, they can published without needing Yeah. But as the years have gone by, I've noticed more and more American publishers. Yeah. And section was using the different characteristics of each geographic area is really amazing. It's really interested in seeing other other parts of the world. And so I've written a big long list of tips here. And Tanya added one right at the last minute. I think we should start with it because it was so good to say Granny, here it is. tissues for the toilets. Because you know, those places, there's conference center, so you're going there, there's no toilet paper. Yeah, as a good ex Hong Kong, I know that you always carry a couple of packets of tissues in your back. I love that. Yeah. What else we got? What else do we need to comfy shoes? Oh, yeah, top of the list, water and snacks, because those Cafe queues are really, really long. And it's pretty expensive as well, isn't it? You can take a picnic? Oh, sure. Yes, definitely. Because you can go to other delicious Italian places outside of the conference in the evening. You don't want to waste any of that viewing time in the cafes. So take your pack lunch, charge your phone, because you're going to take all of the pictures of absolutely everything you can see. Tanya said spare battery, battery, get a spare battery. Battery anxiety. Yeah. And make sure you've got the right cords for them as well. Yeah, yeah. Print out your good ship lanyard. So you can fiddle good ship people. And we can see did we say it shout a high shot. Oh boy. Oh boy, shippers. Maybe we could get like a megaphone just to get this around. Like who are these woman? What's going on? Don't forget to take your samples, business cards, postcards, posters. weirdy unusual things that people might want to take back and pin on their wall. You need tape things for sticking your stuff to the wall. Yeah, the illustrates well, some people put I've already said this. Some people put their business cards in little boxes and pin the box to the wall. So you could take a little box there. Take their pins or pad and then you've got options. Yes. One thing doesn't work. Yeah. A ladder. Drill. Scaffolding. Your portfolio as a PDF. That's a good one. Yep. Don't forget to explore the city. Tanya book does a restaurant before we even book The flights. tanyard book does a restaurant. How good is that? I think the conversation when shall we go to Bologna? Yes. And then Tanya, I've booked a table. Okay. I remember watching all of the late publishing ladies sitting in the finest cafes with big plates full of meats and cheeses. And I thought we blew it we they booked those years ago. Yeah, we're going to starve tonight. So this was a priority. The bookshops are so incredible. That this year, I'm only going to take like one change of pants and the rest of the suitcase is going to be empty. So I can stop it with plans of a toothbrush. Yeah. Toothbrush. Yeah, we are all sharing a flap. Maybe I should take some soap or something. doesn't gel. She takes a wheelie trolley. Well, she takes her husband and makes him take what a good idea that it'll carry on really try that is if you're buying books, or you're taking books around samples, you need one of those. Jewels husband? Yeah. Oh, yeah, last day of the fair, that it's the last day is really good, because then that by the afternoon, everybody is so exhausted. Everybody has gone home. And it's kind of empty. And all the publishers are nice and relaxed and ready for a chat because everything's finished. And they're all off duty. So that's a really good time to go and chat to them and give them your postcard. And at the end of the day, they sell off all their books, they don't want to take them home so you can get some brilliant rare Mexican Korean amazing books that you wouldn't get would be in any other way. And if you came up to them with a glass of Baroque Yeah, you know, that would really soften them up a bit and you could probably have a good chat and say do you want to have a look at one PDF portfolio? I know you're tired. What else? Oh, yeah. Katie, you wrote, relax, lay down. Remember all the inspiring books people illustrations you saw? Yeah, definitely. I think that was a nice fit for me. Like after I got over feeling guilty about not filling every single day with walking around the bay. Just like walking around Bologna, Munich. This was really nice. I met so many lovely people. There's some really good museums out there. There's a the Giorgio marandi Museum. There's the Museum of the university that I can't remember what it's called. But we met and sat outside. Yes, there's always good Italian shops as well. There's the fantastic gelato shop with the big queues outside the famous ice cream shop. I can't remember where it is or what it's called. But I remember everybody telling me I had to go and I had to go and join a well it wasn't a queue because Italy everybody was just kind of crowded. But yeah, that was amazing. What's that? Is it cannoli cannoli. Oh, the like, round sweet snack, if you're that good. Yeah. The weekend right? Get permission slips if you need it that say I don't have to be at the fair every single day. And then once you get home, once you've gathered your breath, then it's a good idea to follow up all the contacts you've made. So if you've swapped business cards with people, you could email them, you could post them some goodies. So any connections you've made, follow them up, the fortune is in the follow up, most people don't follow up as well. So by doing that, you'll be top of the pile. Don't wait for people to get in touch with you, because they might have lost your business card. Or maybe they just want you to send a nice friendly Oh, it was so good to me that was so nice and was in touch. And the worst thing that happened that could possibly happen is that they ignore you. And that's nothing. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Also, you could add it to your 100 rejections as well, because it counts as quota. Ghosting counts. So if you go tag us in your photos, we want to see how much fun everybody had what they saw. If you're in the exhibition, let us know about that. Sure. And we might meet you as well. Yeah, we're gonna do a little meet up. We will email about that and everything. All the details will be written down. Put your picture in your lanyard, so we know who you are. And we'll put your stuff up on the illustrators noticeboard and take a photo. Yeah. Brilliant. We can download the PDF. It's all written down in a PDF form. Yeah, have a good time. Enjoy. Ciao