Discover how the youthful exuberance of the Oklahoma City Thunder is dismantling the Zion-less New Orleans Pelicans, and ponder whether they can withstand the Luka-led Mavericks' onslaught. We're tackling the full-court press of NBA playoff drama, serving up a play-by-play breakdown of each dynamic matchup. From the Thunder's surprising dominance to the Timberwolves' unexpected advantage over the Suns, we lay out the key players and strategies that are shaping the road to the championship. As the guard changes and a new era dawns, we leave no stone unturned in our analysis of the hardwood battles and the rising superstars poised to take the league by storm.
Strap in as we dissect the Phoenix Suns' struggle and scrutinize the performance of Kevin Durant under the glaring playoff spotlight. The Suns are facing an uphill battle, with their backcourt dilemmas and Bradley Beal's uncertain fit, while the Timberwolves, led by the emergent Anthony Edwards, are exploiting weaknesses with aplomb. We then pivot to the NFL Draft aftermath, shining the spotlight on Marvin Harrison Jr.'s promising future with the Arizona Cardinals and dissecting the Los Angeles Chargers' strategic moves to strengthen their line. This deep dive into the drafts offers a comprehensive look into the moves that could redefine these franchises for years to come.
Lastly, we zero in on the nail-biting Cavaliers vs. Magic series and dissect the Knicks' contentious struggle against the 76ers. Every dribble, dunk, and defensive lapse is scrutinized as we project the potential outcomes of these fiercely contested matchups. With the veterans seemingly passing the baton to the rookies and sophs, we explore the seismic shifts occurring across the league. On the gridiron, the draft has set the stage for new legends to rise. Tune in for an episode packed with bold predictions, expert insights, and the unfiltered truth on the future of both basketball and football.
Discover how the youthful exuberance of the Oklahoma City Thunder is dismantling the Zion-less New Orleans Pelicans, and ponder whether they can withstand the Luka-led Mavericks' onslaught. We're tackling the full-court press of NBA playoff drama, serving up a play-by-play breakdown of each dynamic matchup. From the Thunder's surprising dominance to the Timberwolves' unexpected advantage over the Suns, we lay out the key players and strategies that are shaping the road to the championship. As the guard changes and a new era dawns, we leave no stone unturned in our analysis of the hardwood battles and the rising superstars poised to take the league by storm.
Strap in as we dissect the Phoenix Suns' struggle and scrutinize the performance of Kevin Durant under the glaring playoff spotlight. The Suns are facing an uphill battle, with their backcourt dilemmas and Bradley Beal's uncertain fit, while the Timberwolves, led by the emergent Anthony Edwards, are exploiting weaknesses with aplomb. We then pivot to the NFL Draft aftermath, shining the spotlight on Marvin Harrison Jr.'s promising future with the Arizona Cardinals and dissecting the Los Angeles Chargers' strategic moves to strengthen their line. This deep dive into the drafts offers a comprehensive look into the moves that could redefine these franchises for years to come.
Lastly, we zero in on the nail-biting Cavaliers vs. Magic series and dissect the Knicks' contentious struggle against the 76ers. Every dribble, dunk, and defensive lapse is scrutinized as we project the potential outcomes of these fiercely contested matchups. With the veterans seemingly passing the baton to the rookies and sophs, we explore the seismic shifts occurring across the league. On the gridiron, the draft has set the stage for new legends to rise. Tune in for an episode packed with bold predictions, expert insights, and the unfiltered truth on the future of both basketball and football.
welcome back. It was first podcast today, sunday, april 28th, and we're back for the podcast we're a little bit late.
Speaker 2:I think we did say that we were going to do a podcast like earlier this week, but it just didn't seem like it made sense to just have like a, mostly because there really wasn't a lot of like pre-draft trades or anything like that to talk about. So it just seemed like just talking basketball. Just having jake sit there and say nothing for a whole podcast did not seem like it made any sense in the world. So good to jace. I figured it was better for us and better for you guys as listeners to go ahead and let the draft go through.
Speaker 2:I think think we were planning on doing it after the first round, but again it's almost like, oh, let's go through the second and third, since those picks kind of matter too, and then that turned into let's let the whole draft play out so we can just talk about it all in its entirety. So that's why we're doing an early Sunday morning podcast to get it out to you guys. Talk about all things draft and a little bit of basketball and without further ado, let's get this thing started. So I'll listen to the basketball first, just to kind of get it out of the way. I think I've been watching a little bit more than what Jace has.
Speaker 1:I watched some, but it was mostly the Knicks games, just because they were on.
Speaker 2:You can jump in whenever you like my friend, jump in with whatever thoughts you got. So let's go with. Let's start at the Western Conference side. We'll start with the Thunder, and Pelicans Thunder are currently up in that series 3-0.
Speaker 1:This one was kind of what I expected, you know.
Speaker 2:Thunder just kind of destroying them. Well, the Pelicans are getting without Zion Williamson. He's their best player. He can guy, he's gotta get get to the bucket. He is the attacker. He's a real pretty good defender. I just think the.
Speaker 1:Uh, I think the thunder has too much like there's too many people that can go up and score oh, they can, they can score, they can defend chet's great at the at the basket.
Speaker 2:I just feel like the pelicans are they have so like because they built that team so perfectly around Zion. As soon as Zion isn't there, you just have a bunch of three-point shooters and skill guys, but you really don't have anybody to really go to the basket like, really open it up for them. So and the Thunder play very good basketball Even though they're a very young team. They play very disciplined basketball. Like they don't Like Shea as much of a star as he is. He's not sitting there trying to get isos all day. He's really trying to make the right play. He's doing everything he can. You have Chet, who's really really good defensively, but he's also able to do all the dirty stuff too. Like you have a young team that has full buy-in to what they're doing on it. Like you could tell that with them being the number one seed overall in the western conference this year, they did not play this regular season like a young team no, I feel like you had a young team that was ready for the moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because often you'll get a young team that's just not ready for this moment, right in a way that they have been there. They've been there twice in the last two years. The Thunder yeah, they were there last year.
Speaker 2:No, they weren't. They were like a lower seed and they got taken out in the first round.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. They were a lower seed. Coming into this year. They have the guy they wanted, they feel like they're ready, and Shea just kept getting better the longer he was in the NBA. Yeah, in a way that I feel like you have two all-stars that they can bank around in Chet Holmgren and Shea Gilders-Alexander Sorry, his name is hard to say.
Speaker 2:It is hard to say all the way. That's why I just keep with Shea.
Speaker 1:And then, like I don't, know I feel like if I'm a Thunders fan, thunder fan, thunders fan my God. I'm stupid excited because they still have a bunch of first round picks I think they've gone through most of their first round most of them, but not all of them but again does it like.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing, though is like their first, their, their number one seed. If they win this game, they're probably gonna play either the clippers and the mavs looking, looking like the mavs at this point, and I think how that series is going.
Speaker 1:You think they beat the mavs.
Speaker 2:I think they can beat the Mavs. You think they beat the Mavs?
Speaker 1:I think they can beat the Mavs.
Speaker 2:I just don't think they have anybody to beat Luka. If it comes down to it, and you have Luka being the special star that he is, I don't think the Thunder have anybody to combat that, and I feel like the Thunder are really playing good basketball right now. Again, it depends on who comes out of the Clippers and Mavs. I feel like if the Clippers come out, I feel like the Thunder have a good chance of beating them, but if it's the Mavs, I just don't think they'd necessarily have anybody to really stop Luka, because Luka makes everybody play at his pace and, with that being the case, I just don't feel like the Thunder really have anything, and not to mention Kyrie Irving, do they have one-on-one defenders that can stop them than opening it up?
Speaker 1:for their teammates. That's the thing. It's not about stopping them, but I think Lou Dort can absolutely slow him down.
Speaker 2:I just think Luke is one of those special dudes man. He imposes his will in a basketball game and it takes a very special defender to do that and I just don't think Thunder really have that. But again, even still, if they get to the second round of this playoffs and lose to the Mavs, it's still a successful season. And guess what, With all the assets that you have, they have so many good players on their team. They can chip a few off and package them up to get like an amazing player to really add to their team and they can come back next year like gangbusters. So I just feel like the Thunder are just taking the step-by-step process to and not to mention, a lot of their players need to get paid very soon. They won't be able to pay everybody. So, with that being the case, I just feel like the Thunder are really on. They're on par for what they've been doing. It felt like for a long time they were never going to be able to take these steps, but now, over the last two years, it looks like they're just, step by step, they're just getting better and better.
Speaker 2:Clippers, Mavs, Clippers are up in this series 2-1. I think it has been. Let's see here, the Clippers really got that first game. It was a surprise. You felt like, oh, maybe the Clippers can really give them a big fight in this series. But then the next two games Mavs have won the last two, with the Mavericks winning 101-90 in game three and it kind of kept that game under control for the most part. And with that 2-1 lead you're now going back. You have another game in Dallas before going back to the Clippers for game five and six. I just feel like if Luka and Kyrie are able to keep going with what they're doing, I just feel like they should be able to win this series, no problem, because they just now I think the Clippers just now got Kawhi back I think last game and I just feel like, with him coming off the injuries and stuff like that, he has to get warmed up to playing basketball again and it just doesn't come out to be that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look like it's a good equation to win, right like it was a good equation to win right.
Speaker 2:It feels like if the fact that he has to get re-acclimated to play in basketball again after being off for a few months, it just doesn't really feel like it was over a month that he didn't play basketball. It doesn't seem like a great great thing for them to have to go through so. And it's like the mavericks playing they're playing their best ball over the last two months, like they're just getting better and better and they hit their peak right now and they're just hitting at the right stride when the playoffs hit. So I just feel like the Clippers definitely have an uphill road to climb when it comes to trying to beat that Mavericks team, but I don't really give them much of a shot on that.
Speaker 1:That's kind of always been the Clippers' problem is they're always kind of playing from behind because all their players are always hurt. Yeah, and it's kind of annoying. It's always one of them, it's always one of them.
Speaker 2:If it's not Kawhi, it's PG, and if it's not PG, it's Kawhi, Mostly Kawhi, to be totally honest with you.
Speaker 2:But you know that being the case, that one is one of the more at least those games are very entertaining for the most part they are but if I'm a Clippers fan like, this is not what I signed up for and, honestly, if they don't do it this year, I feel like the Clippers are gonna have to look at maybe piecing that team apart, maybe starting from scratch again, maybe keeping one of the two stars between Kawhi and PG and like really trying to start over rebuild the team.
Speaker 2:I feel like PG is the easiest one to get rid of because at least he's more healthy. Like getting rid of Kawhi is like you're gonna going to have to.
Speaker 1:I didn't think of it like that. It's a fair point.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to give Kawhi off to somebody and they're going to have to not only believe his injury history, which nobody really can at this point. Kawhi, it's more about his arthritic knees when it comes to like he's going to need a month off every once in a while and it's like he's pretty much a hired gun for the most part and it's like he doesn't really uh bring his like his identity onto the court and to the organization. So he's like really quiet. He doesn't really help out any of that. So it's not even like you can bring. It's like like a lebron thing where you bring him in and you just you can sell a bunch of jerseys and sell some hope. I feel like everything's out on Kawhi when it comes to what kind of basketball player he is and what kind of person he is. So it's just an underwhelming type of thing. So you can't even trick a team to be like, oh, he's a great player, he can come bring you a bunch of money. I just don't think that's necessarily the case. So it's just a little bit of a weird situation.
Speaker 2:Timberwolves, thunder Sorry, timberwolves and Sons, I don't know why I said Thunder. Timberwolves are up in this series 3-0. And as me I have to say this, being the serial apologist for Kevin Durant and whatever team he's on this has been a disgusting series to watch Because it feels like the Ss are just being outplayed when it comes to they're being outsized out. Physical, rudy Gobert, and you have Kat sitting there in the paint, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:It's very hard for the Suns to get any type of push like going out, going out the bucket, and then it just seems like the Suns are so top heavy and that if those three aren't together and it feels like they're dealing a lot of things, when it comes they're just playing a lot of iso ball and they're not really playing together and passing the ball around and doing that type of those type of things. But to a certain degree that stuff comes with time and it just seems like with all the injuries that they had this year, they never really had an opportunity to really generally figure out those things, which is what you use the regular season for by the time you get to the playoffs fucking every team katie's on it's true and and to a certain extent I just like this team isn't well built, but then to a certain degree they're getting.
Speaker 2:They're getting dog walked by the, by timberwolves. Anthony edwards has been an absolute star in this series and guess what? He's letting them all hear about it. And as much as I love Kevin Durant, I have not seen Kevin Durant really put his will on a series or on a game like when it comes to the, these high pressure moments. Since that series against Milwaukee where like, really I really fell in love with that, like he had a whole series, a where he pretty much said, hey, get on my back, I'm going to take us there, and it obviously didn't work out. By the end he was a shoe size too big on the three-point line from winning that series, potentially winning a championship that year when he was with Brooklyn. But ever since then KD has not been anything close to that.
Speaker 2:And with a series going like this, you feel like I keep feeling like, hey, kd needs to turn it on for at least one game to keep them from getting swept. And it hasn't happened yet. And again, maybe it's because they're just that outmatched. But again, when you have a guy of KD's stature, you have a guy of Booker's stature. You feel like they should be able to at least get one game out. At least let their superstardom come out and win you a game. But it hasn't happened. And let me tell you, bradley Beal has sucked. He's not great defense. We all knew these things right. He's not a great defender when it comes to him playing. He is not a point guard-like player at all. It just seems like they don't fit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for the most part Between him and Booker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like a career shooting guard.
Speaker 2:Right, and Booker is too, but I feel like they have oh, they have two shooting guards and one of them is trying to play point Right and it's not working when it comes to and Booker's a more effective player overall.
Speaker 2:So when you look at Booker doing his thing, and then you sit there and look at Bradley Beal, he's not really shooting the three ball all that great, so he's not really being effective on the offensive end and you're making some plays when it comes to assist. But here's the thing when you have a real point guard on your team, they can get your team in order and get you easy buckets. And the fact that they have to sit there and go down the court offensively and just say, hey, katie, it's your turn to get a bucket, hey, booker, it's your turn to get a bucket Like they don't have anybody to initiate offense to make it easier on everybody. So if one guy isn't having a good night shooting or not, is not able to get into his bag, like that, it becomes very difficult for them to to get and get any type of points. And, on top of the fact they're not really a great defensive team whatsoever, like they have moments where they can really hunker down and really get something. But oh, when they're playing against Timberwolves team, that's very good defensively and then you have a guy like Anthony Edwards on the other side that's so athletic and able to get his, get um, get his when he's ready to, and they're in.
Speaker 2:The Timberwolves right now are shooting the lights out from three and with that being the case, it seems like the Suns are just. There's no way they're just getting buried in these games. There's just no way they can come back and that's how every game is gone. So the Suns are gonna have to take a big fat L in this series. They're gonna probably get swept and they're gonna have to figure it out how to build this team up again, because it's really been just those top three players and a bunch of like. I will say this why am I forgetting his name? The white guy, the three-point shooter, why am I forgetting his name? Let me make sure.
Speaker 2:For who For the Phoenix?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know, I'm going to get this right.
Speaker 2:I'm going to make sure I get his name because he's been he. He was like the leader in three points, grayson Allen. He got hurt a couple games ago and he does take away. He's a very, pretty good defender on a night-to-night out basis and then he also is their best three-point shooter and he was like shooting at a 40 percent clip for the year. It's like he was like the league's best three-point shooter altogether.
Speaker 2:So with him being out being day-to-day in this series definitely does not help them at all. But outside of those three it's just him and then everybody else has pretty much been a who's going to do something tonight. So without Grayson Allen it definitely has hurt them. But outside of those four players, they're going to have to find a way to really piece this around them again, going into next year to where they can do something, because when you put a team like this together, you're looking for a championship and just like it's definitely not happening this year. So they're going to have to make some drastic changes going into next year to try to uh, reload the clip and try to get back into it, because this year just ain't working against this timberwolves team and anthony edwards have to give him all the credit in the world. It's his time. He has really shown out in this series and he is like it's insane how you see the star power when you have a player like budding into their own budding.
Speaker 2:Budding into their own stardom. And obviously I think everybody knows Anthony Edwards has always been a very good player, but he's becoming a superstar in front of everybody's eyes and it's been an absolute delight to watch.
Speaker 1:He's everything that people want. Ja to be. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Without the off-court issues, exactly. And then the last Western Conference series going right now is the Nuggets and the Lakers.
Speaker 1:Actually Ann has, like has great off-court publicity. Yeah, he's great off-court.
Speaker 2:You don't hear from the dude off the court at all, but then you see him in.
Speaker 1:YouTube videos. Youtube stream videos and he's just being Carl Anthony. He's being Anthony Edwards. He's not being anything weird.
Speaker 2:No question about it and, like I said Nuggets-Lakers, this is the last one in the Western Conference. Nuggets are winning this series 3-1. The Lakers did just get their first win last night to avoid getting swept, and it took a Herculean effort by LeBron in order for them to get that win. But this just seems like it's just waiting for the inevitable right right. There is no way the lakers are coming back to win this series. It seems like denver has had control over every game until last night.
Speaker 1:This, this series has been over since game two. When freaking um, what's his name? What's his name? Jamal murray. When jamal murray went up there and took that shot that's the name I remember of all the times.
Speaker 2:I forget names. That's yeah with jamar.
Speaker 1:When jamalal Murray went out there and made sure he hit that shot, this series was over.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, going at like last-second shot, buzzer beater and that was. It's funny enough.
Speaker 1:That was Lakers' best game that they had played so far, but that was one of those games and the Nuggets had managed to come back and win those games where a team wanted it more than the other.
Speaker 2:No question. Even in the win last night, it like the Lakers had to shoot 50% from the field. They had less turnovers. They had to out rebound Denver in order to win this game and the only one the game by 11 points, like it just seemed like, and it took LeBron everything he had in order to win this game. Anthony Davis had a pretty good game as well, like you. In order to win this game, anthony Davis had a pretty good game as well. Like you had the best game you could possibly get from LeBron and AD Heck. It was.
Speaker 2:Anthony Davis was 25 points, 23 rebounds, 6 assists. And then you have LeBron James 30 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Like you felt, like you got the best you could out of those two players. But again, are you going to be able to get that for another three games? Because they're going to have to win the next three games in order to win this series. And that's not going to happen. Guess what? Jokic is going to look at them and say, hey, it's about time for us to get to the next one, get to the next series, let's go ahead and finish this off and get some rest. And it's just going to be how it from how this goes, from the Warriors getting sent out early, not even getting into the playoffs. You have this LeBron team, with the Lakers are going to be kicked out here very soon, and then you have KD. It feels like a wave of superstars have now passed the torch on.
Speaker 1:Not willingly, not willingly, nah, that shit was taken.
Speaker 2:It was taken from them and it feels like it's just a brand new day where you have these young teams that aren't scared of these guys, no more.
Speaker 1:Y'all aren't the big bad, no more.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think Steph Curry is a victim of his circumstance because they held that team together for so long and now they've just gotten old and have not been able to Obviously Draymond doing his thing to ruin that when it comes to how he he had done things throughout the regular season. But I think Steph Curry is a guy you're still scared of because of how he plays, but, like otherwise, these are not teams that are like you're looking at, like oh, they're going to be contenders again going into next year, like and you have these young guys now that are taking the torch and they're, they're shining bright and it feels like are you willing to put any type of money down that any three of those guys wins another championship? Because I'm sure not.
Speaker 1:I don't know, steph could have a right eye on him, kind of into his career, yeah, but when he's just a dude in the corner, I'm going to hit this three yeah but that's different.
Speaker 2:Like we're talking about them being as a star, about them being the star. Yeah, I, I just I just don't think so. I just really don't. Um, yeah, it seems like an end of an era for a little bit, even though these guys are still playing. It just feels like the air of invincibility is now gone with those type of guys and you have a lot of young guys are ready to take the torch and run with it yeah um other side, we're on the eastern conference.
Speaker 2:Celtics heat, celtics celtics are up in this series 2-1.
Speaker 1:After some hard-fought fucking games, man.
Speaker 2:No doubt Celtics did kind of control the heat in that game one, but in game two the heat came out won the game by 10.
Speaker 1:It was a very hard-fought game. These games are close and Jimmy Butler's not playing.
Speaker 2:Except for game three, game three it was 104-84. Yeah, and Jimmy Butler's not playing. Except for game three, game three it was 104 to 84. Yeah, 20-point win for the Celtics. But still.
Speaker 1:The way I look at this is Jimmy Butler's playing. The Celtics don't win.
Speaker 2:It just feels like the fact that it's this close now without Jimmy Butler just means like you said, yeah, just means that with.
Speaker 1:Jimmy Butler, this is a blowout.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't even say a blowout, but it's a much different series, bro. I'd say a blowout because he adds defending. He adds you a good Chris 25. No for sure, and it feels like this Heat team is just trying to survive and it just seems like they're not really going to be able to get Jimmy Butler at all in this series at all. So, with that being the case, I just feel like Did you say at all in this series at all. Yeah, I did that whole. Thing.
Speaker 2:That sucks for me. But with all that being the case, it just seems like it's a foregone conclusion of how this series is going to end. And it's like if the Celtics are just able to keep playing their game and not get out of it and really stick to what their plan is, they should be able to win this series pretty easily. But it feels like, while I think the Celtics are going to win this series, it's just how hard are they going to make it on themselves? How long are they going to let the heat stay in it? And it only extends the series to where they have less rest going into the next one, where they're going to have to face either a Clip Cavs or a Magic team, where, if they get to the second round, they should be able to beat those teams no problem.
Speaker 1:Those teams.
Speaker 2:You hear every mistake that I'm making here. Everyone and I'm all about headphones. So, with all that being the case, the celtics need to take care of business because, if not, the heat can make this maybe not win this series, but they're gonna make it a hard fought one. That just make the rest of the cop, rest of the playoffs a lot harder for the celtics, as they're trying to go.
Speaker 1:I hope that he can make it through, and I when I see Jimmy Butler, because watching Jimmy Butler play in the playoffs is fucking magical man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I also feel like if the Celtics, like, get bounced in the first round or they don't make it to the conference finals again, like I feel like they're going to have to make some real like they've done everything else, they've changed everything about their team, and if the same, pretty much the same thing happens over again, or they get bounced even earlier than what they usually are, you're gonna have to start looking at jason tatum and jaylen brown. Like you're gonna have to look at them because like you're the only two we haven't switched out, like you're the only two that have stayed throughout all of these changes, and like you're gonna have to look at them and start putting the pointing the finger that way. So you know it's, it's a, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2:Uh, cavs Magic Series. It is currently tied to two. This one has been the closest series of all, but I feel like to a lot of people watching basketball, nobody cares, because it's two teams where you're like oh, whoever wins, they're just gonna go lose to whoever wins the Celtics and Heat Series most likely the Celtics. It feels like a lot of people don't care, but these have been a very close series and very contested. You have a lot of star power coming out where they're all playing pretty good basketball Donovan Mitchell playing great ball.
Speaker 1:Paulo Bencaro, you're right, I don't care about this game, but this is probably the best basketball played the entire time.
Speaker 2:Well, neither of them play defense. I'm not going to say it's good basketball. Like I'm not going to say it's good basketball, but when it comes to being at least being competitive, you have two very offensive teams going at each other back and forth, like it is a very entertaining series to watch. But again, it's just are the stakes that high because we know how it's going to end? It's just not, and I feel like there's you're not looking at either one of these two teams and they can make a run towards the finals. So, with all that being case, I feel like that's a series that really nobody wants to talk about. But again, I feel like if you just turn on the game and watch it, it's a pretty fun watch.
Speaker 2:So if anybody out there um calves magic, do not turn, turn the channel. If they managed to happen and find find the game while it's playing at the time, go, go ahead and watch the basketball. It's at least some good offensive basketball. Bucks, pacers, indian. The Pacers are currently in the lead two to one in the series and you had I think it was in game three the Pacers, tyrese, halliburton hit a game winner at the end of the game. I think that was the end of overtime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. Was it overtime?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but at the end of overtime. Yeah, it was. Was it overtime? Yeah, but at the end of overtime you had tyrus halliburton hitting the game winner in order to win that one. But I think I think this was a series where a lot of people thought the pacers could win this one and, honestly, every game has been pretty close for the most part and the pace is getting winning.
Speaker 1:The last two have definitely been a big deal well that that team went into the playoffs, the bucks at least, wouldn't?
Speaker 2:the players a lot of dysfunction yeah, bucks haven't really been playing all that great basketball yet. Yannis hurt, not able to play. Has yannis played any about any of you? No, he hasn't played. You good, you had freaking.
Speaker 2:Uh, let's see, damian lillard ended up getting hurt that last game but he didn't manage to come back. But you can tell he was a little bit bothered by the injury that he had in that last one. So it feels like this Pacer team what they are good at is running up and down the court and with this Milwaukee team being a little bit older, they don't necessarily have that same type of play style. So if the Pacers are able to keep their pace of playing basketball alive, it feels like it's just a foregone conclusion. This Milwaukee Bucks team can't keep up. But if Damon Lillard can come off from getting injured last game and really maybe take control of this series and go back to being Dame time and get his teammates involved in shooting and stuff like that, maybe they can make this a little more fun. But I just feel like the Pacers it's just their way they play and I feel like without having Giannis as the guy that can really take over the basketball game, I just feel like this Pacers team is just like you know, and they have nothing to lose.
Speaker 2:To be totally honest with you, nobody saw the Pacers being a fifth seed and really doing things in the Eastern conference. So it seems like they're just playing a lot more free and it just shows when they're playing. It's just, it's a lot of fun to watch this Pacer team play, even though they're not necessarily the greatest defensive team. They just they're just getting up and down the court and they're they're like hey, keep up with us, and we're just going to play a really fast, fast paced game. Not least, you have the knicks and sixers. Uh, the knicks are currently in the lead 2-1 in this series. You have one of the games that was like decided by, like freaking, like the the first game right, it was the first game or second game was the first one where max got fouled and they got the points yeah, no, second, it was game two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 104 to 101, but that was a fucking foul Max.
Speaker 2:He got fouled twice Actually. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was game two. We had like a very controversial non-calls at the end of that game that gave the Knicks that win. But it just feels like the 76ers are the better basketball team. But at the same time you have Joel Embiid.
Speaker 2:That is a little bit injured, not really all the way healthy he's always injured, but he came back from injury in coming into this series and it feels like that, hey, either he doesn't have the legs or he's still injured and not feeling all that great, but like when he's he's not really able to jump like he's he's.
Speaker 2:You can tell he's obviously injured, but he's still getting everything he wants for the most part. So it honestly is the question of can he last to the end of the game and really still impose his will by the time the game is over? That's where the questions have gone and it really hasn't gone their way as of right now. But the 76 are the more talented team, but it seems like the Knicks and their consistency and the way they play, led by Jalen Brunson, it just feels like the Knicks just know how they want to play basketball and they just keep doing that and they're just like hey, if the 76ers are to win this series, it's going to be based off the star power of Joel Embiid being the best player on the court and if Joel Embiid, being hurt, is not able to do that.
Speaker 2:I feel like the Knicks have a very good, very good chance of winning this series in general. Any more thoughts?
Speaker 1:No, this personally has my favorite series to watch.
Speaker 2:It's very tight games for y'all. Like very good games. For the most part, all right. So, coming off the NBA stuff, time to get to the big thing, the thing we have been pretty much had our eyes glued on for the last few days. It is going to the NFL draft that had taken place Thursday, friday and Saturday. Yeah, we'll start off by going through all the picks in the first round and just kind of give our thoughts on how things have gone, and then we'll just go ahead and after that give thoughts on our own teams's draft, talk about that and talk about how happy or sad we are, and then we'll just give some like head scratching things like who was the surprise draft that you're like, uh, I'm not really liking how that went down we know who that is all right, well, we'll start with pick one.
Speaker 2:Obviously, everybody know how that went. It was Caleb Williams. Right away. There was a video that came out after the draft was over between the GM, ryan poles, and Caleb they kind of called. It was very awkward and it was like, hey, I'm gonna have to hold onto this for like five minutes or so. But we all know, like we all know, what's going to happen here. You're getting picked. You could just tell the NFL, told the Bears hey, we've got to build up the suspense a little bit. So take about five minutes to don't pick and just try to build up the suspense.
Speaker 2:But I feel like everybody's known for over a month now that Caleb Williams is going to be the pick and there was not anybody else in the running for this. So Caleb got picked. He is their next shiny quarterback to hope to save their franchise and but again, I will give them their credit with the rest of the draft they did have. They are trying to set it up to where it is bus proof. They are giving him every weapon possible. They are giving him everything you could possibly need. They already have a decent defense. They are trying to make it to where it is. If this doesn't work, it's going to be because of caleb, because they I think justin fields took everything to the shin so that caleb williams could have a perfect situation ready to go by the time he comes out that the bears fans voted to wear a justin fields patch on their jerseys.
Speaker 1:Uh, I did not.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it'll ever happen unfortunately, it is happening.
Speaker 1:They petitioned for it and the Bears are gonna do it okay, if you read that then cool.
Speaker 2:But I think it'll be a cold day in hell that Caleb Williams is wearing a patch on his jersey that is any type of tribute to Justin Fields, the guy that he replaces. I just feel like that just ends up being a little bit of an iffy situation to have. But you know, maybe that, maybe that is the case, but I just don't. I don't see how that would make sense at all. But you know, caleb Williams, good pick for them. He felt, they felt like he's going to be their next, their first franchise guy they've had in a long time, and maybe he can come in the fact that he is set up with all the weapons in the world. He has a decent offensive line. The defense is pretty good. I feel like this may be the best situation the first overall pick has walked into in a long time.
Speaker 1:Whoa, you gave Joe Scheisse everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it took a couple years. There was obvious holes what the fuck you? But?
Speaker 1:it took a couple years there was obvious holes yes, but Caleb has everything year one allegedly except in O-line.
Speaker 2:The O-line really is not as bad as you would think and they've even addressed that in this draft. So I just feel like they are making sure that he has everything possible to succeed from day one in a way that a lot of other first pick overalls I mean first yeah, I don't know how, why I said it that way, but yeah, first overall picks have not really had the same type of team they're walking into. That Caleb is pick two. Washington commanders took Jane Daniels.
Speaker 2:I feel like there was a little bit of noise there that potentially Jane and Washington weren't really meshing with washington like doing weird tactics when it comes to bringing a bunch of players to all do one visit all at once, going to top golf, trying to get their competitive side out. It seemed like washington was playing games and jayden wasn't necessarily a fan of it. But at the end of the day, if jane daniels, jane dale's gonna go play for whoever picked him and I feel like washington knew that and I feel like, with the fact that Washington needed their quarterback, I feel like that was the easiest pick to take Jaden maybe there was a argument to take to take Drake May, but Jaden was the easy pick here. They picked him and they're just gonna have to make it work, even if there are some issues from how the draft process played out. But Jaden was just a great player all year.
Speaker 2:That last year. He has the athleticism, he has the arm, and I just feel like they got him some weapons as well throughout this draft. So it just feels like they're trying to set themselves up with a brand new ownership, with a brand new quarterback, with brand new everything. They're trying to set themselves up for the future and jayden was definitely a good pick for that. Any thoughts on Jaden to Washington? That one's fine.
Speaker 1:I don't mind that.
Speaker 2:I feel like we all kind of knew what was going to happen. But again, with that little noise aside, pick three New England Patriots, drake, may. It felt like this is the spot where the Patriots could have been like, hey, we'll trade down because we don't feel like there's a quarterback that can really fix our situation right now. It felt in from all the news that came out. They pretty much said, hey, the Patriots got calls but they didn't really feel like there was anything good enough to make them fall um, trade out of that spot. They felt like, hey, we'll just sit here, we'll take Drake May, we'll take our quarterback of the future and we'll not worry about any type of trading down of any kind. And even though they don't necessarily have all the weapons in the world, they don't have a team around him to really succeed from day one. But they did have to have some type of planet quarterback going into the future with a brand new head coach. I think the GM is a brand new GM. It feels like they're trying to have a brand new day and you have to have a quarterback attached to that because if not, they're riding with Jacoby Brissett all year and as much as he is a good quarterback that's going to be able to make some good plays for you. He is not their future by any means.
Speaker 2:Pick four I feel like this was the easiest one to kind of talk about Arizona, cardzona, cardinals, marvin harrison jr. Very easy. Pick um the best wide receiver in the draft. No matter what people would like to say, he is the polished guy. He is the guy ready to go. He is going to be the guy that's going to help kyler get to the next level. He's going to have his young wide receiver that he can throw to.
Speaker 2:That's going to be very consistent. It's going to make all the big plays like they. It is going to be a nice little match made in heaven between kyler and marvin harrison jr, and the cardinals didn't play around trying to trade down anything like that. They sat there, they picked their guy. They picked a guy that will instantly impact the team, not only on the field but, I think, off the field too, because marvin harrison doesn't play games and not and here's, here's something that some people will talk about. But you're not just getting Marvin Harrison Jr, you're getting Marvin Harrison, who was a no-nonsense dude, and he's going to be able to walk in that organization as the father of Marvin Harrison and say hey, I know what a Super Bowl winning team looks like, I know what great quarterback play looks like he did it twice, didn't he?
Speaker 1:Marvin Harrison has two Super Bowls.
Speaker 2:With who? No, he did it once with Peyton Check. Did he do it with somebody else I don't know about. You can look that up, but the fact you have Marvin Harrison Sr as well, who was a no-nonsense he didn't like the really little spotlight at all. You have that type of guy to look towards as well when it comes to an old guard type of wide receiver that knows how to get the best out of everybody and that has really taught Marvin Harrison how to step, how to walk in day in, day out. Do your job, set an example, be the guy that your organization looks up to to really lead the organization.
Speaker 1:He won one, but he played in three. There you go.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, marvin Harrison Sr being around too definitely does not hurt, um, the locker room and that that whole overall experience with shaping up and like, hey, if we're going to be a championship winning organization, you're going to have to make some real moves when it comes to how you act and how you do business.
Speaker 2:And, uh, that's, it's just a great pick for them at pick five charters, led by Mr Harbaugh himself. Joe, I've said this was a pick all along. I feel like when we did our mock draft, I thought that was going to be the big pick. But, jace, you totally believed that they were going to go wide receiver and help out their quarterback. But it felt like, and you know what's funny is that when they announced the pick and you had Harbaugh talk after the pick was made hardball talk after the pick was made he's like, hey, I know that you guys would have wanted me to pick a Malik neighbors or a wide receiver to be a weapon for our quarterback, but he's like, no, in our system, in our culture, an offensive tackle, an offensive lineman, is the weapon.
Speaker 1:Real quick. Big white dude named Joe Olt from Wisconsin Sounds like a fucking 15-year pro bowler From Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:He sounds like fucking 15-year pro bowler From.
Speaker 1:Notre Dame. He sounds like a 15-year pro bowler.
Speaker 2:His father was an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1:If I think of old linemen in the Hall of Fame, they got fucking normal-ass names like Joe Alt. So I'll be honest, dude, I'd be okay. Within 15 years I see this dude entering the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2:I have no doubt, and honestly, he was looked at as the hands down best offensive lineman in this whole class. He's going to step in right away and either play left tackle or right tackle. He didn't play any right tackle in college, he only played left.
Speaker 1:But if they're able, they have Slater, don't they?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do have Slater Already playing left, so maybe they could throw Joel Old up right. Or, however they figure it out, they will have two bookend tackles to lead them into the future be able to protect Justin Herbert even without, maybe, the elite wide receiver weapon to throw to. They did get a wide receiver to help him out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the second round.
Speaker 2:But it wasn't necessarily anybody of Malik neighbors or um roma dunes's caliber. But I feel like I feel like the chargers are making a case that, hey, we would rather have the tackles that help protect our quarterback and build up the wide receivers later rather than get giving a premium spot to to a wide receiver right now. Uh, tennessee titans jc latham very easy pick. They needed offensive lineman. Latham, coming from Alabama, have done it against the SEC. He has proven he was a good guy to go for. It was definitely a great pick for them. Try to protect their quarterback easy pick, all right.
Speaker 2:This is where things kind of got iffy. At pick eight, atlanta Falcons took Michael Penix Jr. I feel like this was the huge surprise of the draft and me and Jace, while we were watching this kind of got into a little bit of an argument there, with Jace kind of saying, hey, I think not to put words in your mouth, you kind of understood what they were doing, while I was a little bit more like why would they do that After they just gave Kirk Cousins $100 million? It feels like this was not a great organizational thing to do.
Speaker 1:I think they panicked. I think they wanted Michael Penix at a different spot and they were going to trade back for it and I think that there was four quarterbacks selected and they freaked the fuck out. I think they freaked out Because I think they're looking back likebacks selected and they freaked the fuck out. I think they freaked out because I think they were looking back like there's nowhere we can trade. The only other place you could have traded was like 10, but the Vikings get a quarterback, true.
Speaker 2:So I think they freaked out. I think two things can be true. Jay, can I ask you a question? Do you think that when Falcons signed Kirk Cousins to a $100 million over $100 million guaranteed contract for three years, about a month ago, do you think they thought they were going to be picking a quarterback in the first round of the draft? When they signed Kirk Cousins to that contract, they gave him.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's hard to tell what they wanted to do, but if you had to guess, do you think they made that? They made that signing with with the thought they're going to be taking a quarterback in the first round. You think so? I sure as hell don't. I don't believe that they made that signing of Kirk Cousins. Because here's the thing if it was, if Kirk Cousins had already been there 10 years, like if it was an Aaron Rodgers situation, right where Aaron, where he had already been there, he's a little bit older and you're like, oh, we're not sure if we're gonna be picking up here again. It was like a weird circumstance has us picking this high. Maybe we can get our quarterback of the future for after him, right, but you just signed Kirk Cousins, you just brought the guy in. So when you bring a guy like Kirk Cousins in, coming off the injury and all that, you're giving Kirk Cousins the idea that, hey, this is our chance to make a run, right, with all the weapons that you have and everything. I could totally see being Kirk Cousins in this situation and being like, hey, you signed me to this contract, I'm going to come in and get the offense going. How about you go use that eighth pick overall to go get a defensive player to help get me the ball back, get a defensive edge, get a corner, get something like that. That'll help you defensively. That'll then get me the ball back so we can then do things to maybe get into the playoffs and make some big strides there. But they go and use that pick on Michael Penning Jr. So I totally believe that if they did think they were going to take a quarterback a month ago when they signed Kirk Cousins in the first round with that eighth pick overall, that's some crazy talk. That is not how a good organization runs whatsoever.
Speaker 2:What I think is more likely and this might be giving them a little bit too much credit that they signed Kirk Cousins, they really thought that he was going to be the guy for the next three years. They didn't have a. Hey, maybe if we can get a mid-round quarterback, we will. But I feel like they were doing their due diligence and brought in all the quarterbacks that they potentially would have a shot at at eight. But I feel like they were doing their due diligence and brought in all the quarterbacks that they potentially would have a shot at at eight Because, like, hey, even if we don't pick them, we at least have them scout a little bit. We brought them in-house we kind of know how they think. At least it's some advanced scouting for the future. And they brought in Michael Penning Jr and he wowed them. He not only wowed the coaching staff, he wowed the owner with the guy Michael Pennington, because everybody believes Michael Pennington is a very good guy.
Speaker 2:There's been no question about how good of a duty he is and not to mention how great of a player he is. When it comes to him, I think he's the best pure pocket passer in this draft at all. He has a rocket of an arm. He's a lefty. Every ball he throws seems like it's in a perfect spot and he's played a bunch of football, so there's not been a lot of things he hasn't seen. He's going to be 24 next month, I believe, so he's a little bit older. He's played a lot of football.
Speaker 2:But I just feel like they saw him, they fell in love and then they didn't know what to do because there's no way with how all these quarterbacks got picked. There were six quarterbacks picked in the first 12 picks. These quarterbacks got picked. There were six quarterbacks picked in the first 12 picks. So I felt like, with them, knowing how things were going, they were like, hey, there's no way we're going to be able to trade out and still get Michael panic, especially with teams behind them like Minnesota, like Denver, like the Raiders, like there was no way they're going to be able to trade out behind those teams and still be able to get him. So it felt like as soon as they fell in love, they felt like there was no other choice but to take him at eight, even if it upsets the apple cart with the $100 million quarterback they just signed.
Speaker 2:And now it's about to be a little bit of an iffy situation for the next year or two, however long Kirk Cousins is there that it just seems like you're supposed to be going for a run now, but you made a future decision. So I do think, to a certain extent it can be a good decision, but I also think, with the situation that you were in, it was a bad one and it was not necessarily what a stable organization does. So, with all that being the case, it's just a very weird situation to be looking at going forward. Because here's the thing, what happens? Because Kirk Cousins just got there.
Speaker 2:There, it's not like he's earned the trust of the Falcons fans. What happens if Kirk Cousins has a bad stretch? Three games, he throws some picks, he's not playing all that. Well, guess what they're gonna want? They're gonna want to have their nice shiny quarterback they just picked with the eighth pick overall. Have him come in and play. Why we take him that high if he's not ready to play at this point? So I just feel like it's set up to be a very terrible situation from how this all worked out.
Speaker 1:It's just badly planned, badly planned, badly planned, because if you wanted a quarterback, I would have took fucking McCarthy, because at least you could look at McCarthy like, yeah, he can sit for three years.
Speaker 2:Exactly, at least with McCarthy you can sell to your fan base hey, he needs to sit a bit.
Speaker 1:Hell you could sell to Kirk. Hey, he's going to sit here behind you, right? We all are the same fucking player.
Speaker 2:And not to mention like, hey, he's going to sit behind you, he hasn't really played in an offense like what we're playing. You can sell to your fan base and to Kirk like, hey, he needs grooming, he's a young quarterback that really hasn't played all that much. He needs that time. But Michael Penix is the most quarterback, like day one ready quarterback in this draft. So it's just um, it's just a very, very weird situation, very, like you said, very badly managed and uh, again, if it, if it all works out, where Michael Pennington becomes their guy for the next 10 years, maybe it won't matter. But the idea that you've paid a guy $100 million to then look at his replacement and be like, hey, you're on a year or two clock and we're going to have the new guy, you just put a lot of money into your quarterback room and it's just kind of weird how that all worked out. Pick nine Chicago Bears again they're back up. They pick Roma Dunze. Maybe you had a thought that they would take a tackle. Maybe you had a thought that they would take a defensive player. No, they want to make sure Caleb has everything. Keenan Allen and DJ Moore aren't enough. Let's take Roma Dunze too, to have the nice young wide receiver to age up with Caleb Williams for the future. So they give him a third weapon. They're going to have a lot of three wide receiver sets in this offense. And Rome doesn't necessarily have the crazy. I think he's kind of more like the Keenan Allen type. I feel like he's a little bit more athletic when it comes to how he can run a little bit faster and stuff like that. But he's a big possession receiver. He catches tough footballs. He's a one-on-one type of guy. He's going to be able to do a lot for them. Again, they're just making another step in making sure Caleb is set up in the best way possible. And Roman Dunzato from everybody that talks about it, he's a very good dude. He's football first. He's all about football. He's a very good dude. He's football first. He's all about football. He's everything you want, everything you want, everything you want in a wide receiver Pick 10, jj McCarthy.
Speaker 2:Minnesota had to trade up one spot to get him. Apparently it was between. Apparently they really liked Drake May and they were really trying to trade up the three to get him. Apparently they called the Patriots and were offering three first-round picks their pick this year and then two more first, well, that pick and then their other first-round pick and then a first-round pick next year and the Patriots said no and they stuck there and got a quarterback. But if you, let's just say they like Drake May a little bit more than JJ McCarthy, the fact that you only have to trade up one spot and you don't have to give up that much and you can still have your other first-round pick and you get a guy that you think could be your future, that's definitely a lot better of a situation for them.
Speaker 2:In comparison, I've given up three first-round picks to trade up and try to go get Drake May. But again, it depends on how much they liked them both. They like Drake May a lot more than maybe they were more than willing to give that up and to try to get their guy. But they kind of took JJ as kind of like a backup plan or maybe they liked them pretty. They liked them both pretty close and it's just how it goes.
Speaker 2:But apparently they now have their quarterback going into the future because outside of JJ McCarthy they really don't have anybody. Well, they didn't they get Sam Darnold. So Sam Darnold's probably going to be the starter from day one and they're just going to let JJ sit behind him and kind of figure out the offense and once JJ is ready, they'll be ready to throw him in. And I feel like Sam Darnold is good enough for you to win a few games with, so you're still going to be able to do some things while JJ is sitting on the bench. But as soon as he's ready they'll be they'll no doubt throw him in. They'll no doubt throw him in Quenya sorry, new York Jets at 11.
Speaker 2:Olu Fashanu no, olu Fashanu I got to make sure it isn't the last name right now that I know it Off the tackle going to the Jets. I feel like this is a spot where the Jets could have taken a weapon Brock Bauer or something like that to help out Aaron Rodgers. But they made the smart decision and took an offensive lineman Because they do have two offensive tackles they just signed this past offseason, but they are older, they have injury issues. So the idea that you can take a young offensive tackle that can sit behind them and kind of train and be ready to go if something does happen to one of them, I feel like that's a really good situation for them, not only for right now but for the future, where maybe in a year or so he's ready to take up one of those spots and he's going to be ready to be their franchise tackle for the next 10 years or so.
Speaker 2:So it's a very good pick organizationally for them, because the Jets do a lot of things that aren't really great organization moves, but when they make a move like this you have to give them some credit. Good pick by the Jets Twelve Denver Broncos Bo Nix. I feel like I was saying this for months. Uh, why am I forgetting Sean Payton? Sean Payton saw his next Drew Brees in Bo Nix and it just seemed like everything was going that way. And but here's the thing when I read up on a lot of things, a lot of people did not see Bo Nix as a first round pick at all. So here's the thing if, if no other team really saw Bo Nix as a first round pick and you take him at 12, it it kind of gives me like you know Pittsburgh, can he pick it? Vibes here. Because if Bo Nix doesn't work out and everything works like you just pick, you just use the 12th pick overall and potentially you could have traded back, you could have potentially got him. I don't think you would have been able to get him in the let's see the second round. I feel like that would have been midway through the second round. There's no way you get him there. So you would have to trade back up at the end of the first round in order to get him. So there would have been opportunities for you to do that. But again, the idea that you pick him at 12. I heard somebody say this, but it's a very arrogant pick by Sean Payton To be like, hey, I see something in this guy that everybody else doesn't see. I want to go ahead and take him at 12, and I'm going to prove myself right by coaching him up and he'll be my next Drew Brees. And you know what's funny? There was a story that came out that the Saints, when Sean Payton was with the Saints and the year that Patrick Mahomes got drafted that they had their card ready to pick Patrick Mahomes and then Kansas City traded up above them to get him. So apparently Sean Payton was. They were very close to Patrick Mahomes being a saint until Kansas City jumped up and got grabbed him. So how things could be different if they uh, if the saints had got, had gotten Patrick Mahomes instead of the uh Chiefs. I don't know why that was so hard to say, but but still, they get Bo Nix quarterback of the future, hopefully, and with all that dead cap money from getting Russell Wilson out of town. They're gonna have to go without some pieces around him for a little bit, for a couple years, but hopefully he can be their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 2:13 Vegas Las Vegas Raiders picked Brock Bowers. It felt like they were sitting there where they could have gotten a quarterback. Apparently they were trying to trade up to pick two to go get Jane Daniels, and they really couldn't do it. They weren't able to give up enough draft capital to go up there and have a team willing to trade down. So they had to sit there and be like, hey, we can't get the quarterback that we want, there's nobody here. So how about we take the best guy available in Brock Bowers? I, I've.
Speaker 2:At the moment I was like, hey, didn't they just take a tight end? They just and Jace looked it up that they had just taken Michael Mayer last year from Notre Dame yeah, pick 35. And from Notre Dame yeah, pick 35. And so the early second round pick. But here's but. But since I've had some a couple days to think about it, yes, brock Bowers is a tight end, but he is. You can look at him and say, hey, he can just be a big slot receiver. For us, he's a weapon in a way that you can deploy him in a multitude of different ways and you can still have Michael Mayer and you can still run this offense very effectively. So it's not like you have to sit there and play two tight end sets. Brock Bowers is so versatile and so talented. You can probably play him at wide receiver, you can play him at the slot, you can even put him at the sideline and have him make plays there. So I feel like the Raiders sat there like, hey, we can't get our quarterback, we'll just take the best player available and figure it out, and with a guy like brock powers, as talented as him, they are going to be a multitude of different ways to deploy him in order to help their football team. But it just sucks that quarterback wise. They'll have aiden o'connell being the guy potentially throw to him and with that being the case, I just don't know how like how that's gonna work at all. But again, at least they'll have brock bowers for a long time he'll be a very good nfl player, I have no doubt.
Speaker 2:Uh 14 saints picked uh talis fuwaga offensive tackle from oregon state. He is one of the one of the guys that looked at. He can play any position on the offensive line and with the saints offensive line being as bad as it was last year protecting derrick carr, I do feel like it was a very good pick for them to uh go ahead and pick a guy that they can protect the quarterback uh, in derrick carr or whoever else they end up getting over the next few years. Indianapolis colts at 15, late to lotto. Very good edge rusher. He is, like a lot of people look to him as like the best guy in the draft when it comes to from the edge spot. Um, he has a lot, of, a lot of moves first defensive player selected.
Speaker 2:He was the 15th it took 14 picks in order for a defensive player to get taken which is a record, a combine record in this draft, as well as the fact that six quarterbacks got taken in the first 12 picks the fastest for six quarterbacks to be taken in a draft. So you could just tell the offensive side of the football was the bigger need in this draft and a lot of the uh, a lot of the teams in the first round took advantage of that. Either taking a tackle, taking a quarterback or taking a wide receiver like those were the big spots or tight end with Brock Bowers, so like that was the biggest needs and this is how it worked out. But the Colts were the first one to kind of pull that band-aid of hey, there's defensive, there's a defensive side of the football too. Let's go ahead and take an edge guy that'll help out our defense, be able to get after the quarterback. A very good pick for them. He's looked at as the best edge of the draft.
Speaker 2:Seahawks pick byron murphy defensive tackle. You can. He is a big body guy, a little smaller, but he can kind of be your Aaron Donald type. He can get after the quarterback. He's a very quick first step from being a defensive tackle. As big as he is, he is a very quick guy. So the fact that you can kind of throw him in there in a division where you have to play the Rams and Matthew Stafford, you have to play Kyler in the Cardinals and then you have to play whatever player is no, it's NFC West, right? So no, you have to play the San Francisco 49ers, you have to play the who are the other teams in the NFC West. You have to play the Rams, because the Rams are the NFC West and you have to play the Cardinals. So those three teams that, with those being the three teams you have to play. That is a guy that can get after the quarterback and help wreck offenses, so he's a very good pick for them.
Speaker 2:Another, and not to mention, seattle loves taking guys along the defensive and offensive lines. They're a lot better at the defensive line, to be totally honest with you, but they like taking, like taking linemen. So definitely good pick for that. Minnesota 17. Dallas Turner. I do feel like in Dallas Turner's like, like the most physically gifted edge rusher in this draft. So the idea that we were able to get their quarterback at at 10 with JJ McCarthy and then come back later at 17 and take one of the better defensive players in the draft for them. I feel like that was a very good draft for the most part, especially in this first round, and they did have to trade up a little bit with jacksonville in order to get that, so they had to give up a few picks. Oh, you know, what's funny is they started off this draft with like seven or eight picks and by the end end they had like three.
Speaker 1:Who. Minnesota because they traded away.
Speaker 2:So many of their picks in order to trade up and move around in this draft. So they had to do a lot of moving around, but at least they got a very good defensive player along with JJ McCarthy to kind of help both sides of the football. Cincinnati, bengals 18. I feel like this is a spot where JJ's kind of already you know you Bengals 18. I feel like this is a spot where, like Jace kind of already you know you already kind of lost your hope that a guy like you know, brock Bowers, would fall to you being another great weapon. Maybe they can go wide receiver, but no, they decided to take Amarius Mims offensive tackle from Georgia. He didn't play a lot of games for them, but when he did play, he was very talented and he's very big.
Speaker 1:He's very, very, uh, raw. What is he? Six seven. He's real quick. He's six seven six, eight, three forty and he's still the only the third biggest dude on my line it's, it's awesome, it's awesome it is well, and the idea that we have a left and right tackle. So we're probably looking at him like, hey, you're gonna sit, regardless what happens, you're're sitting.
Speaker 2:Well, he only played eight games at Georgia, so he does need some time to kind of figure it out.
Speaker 1:True, and when we have two Pro Bowl tackles. It's like, hey, just sit back, get some information, learn how to play your position as efficiently as possible and if there's an injury, you'll be ready to go, because I feel like we had a knack for drafting guys like him and then just throwing him in.
Speaker 1:Yep, here he was super talented he, he'll be fine, yeah, and I feel like we now figured out hey, that don't fucking work, right. So, yeah, we can draft that guy. But if we're gonna draft that guy, let him develop, let him gain, uh, the ability to continue doing what he wants to do.
Speaker 1:Um, and in eight games of georgia what we're getting is very it's gonna be very raw, uh, and I think we've got, we've to continue doing what he wants to do and in eight games at Georgia, what we're getting is going to be very raw, and I think we've gotten to a point to where we can actually kind of develop a little bit better.
Speaker 2:Well, not to mention the fact that the guys you have, the Brown guys, both tackles are both Browns Trent Brown and Orlando Brown. They're both a little bit older. They're on the other side of 30. No, orlando Brown's a little bit older, they're on the other side of 30. No, orlando Brown's a little bit younger, he's like 29.
Speaker 1:So he's not really at 30. Brown's right around like 33.
Speaker 2:Right. So they have a little bit older guy on the one side, but Orlando Brown being a little bit younger, the idea that you can get a guy like Armarius Mims, who needs a little bit of seasoning, needs to sit a little bit, but if you can do it right and by the time he ends up having to come in, if he is ready to go, he is a very talented like, like I said, 6'8, 340, he is the prototypical size to be a tackle and if he gets everything he needs, you'll have the guy to be able to protect Joe Burrow for many years to come. And that's that's the question. Right, if as long as you have Joe Burrow playing and he's upright and healthy, you guys are one of the best teams in the AFC. But but the idea that when he gets he hasn't played one full season and not gotten hurt, so you have to do something to try to quell that whole trend from happening. So getting an offensive tackle that can be the future and help you guys out for many years to come, definitely a great pick, even if you're not sure about what you're going to be doing at the wide receiver position long term with a guy like t higgins still wanting to get traded and you guys not having it figured out there. But you guys did. You did look at the uh, we'll talk about a little bit later but you guys did end up getting a wide receiver in this draft and getting a couple weapons for joe burrow, but at this spot it was definitely a smart pick to pick it off with the tackle at this spot.
Speaker 2:La Rams at 19, jared Verse getting a defensive guy to put on the edge, get after the quarterback, because the Rams overachieved last year, being able to get into the playoffs without how bad their defense was. Their offense was definitely a leader with them having Matthew Stafford at the helm, throwing to Puka, nakua and Cooper Cup and having a really good running game with Williams. I just feel like they're offensively driven. So the idea that they can sit there at 19, get a guy like Jared Verst to be an edge rusher for them, try to help get the ball back and really help solidify their defense, is definitely a big move for them. Good move. I just feel like them being offensively. I just feel like they can make with Sean Mcveigh as their quarter, their coach and officer coordinator. He can just kind of make things happen with anybody at the offensive side. So the idea that you this is the first time they made a pick in the first round like eight years so the idea that they drafted jared golf in 2016 right.
Speaker 2:So the idea that they have to wait eight years to make any type of pick in the first round and you're able to get a very good edge rusher for them he's a very talented guy out of Florida State Definitely a great pick for them. Pick 20, Pittsburgh Steelers my team, Troy Fitanu from Washington. He is going to be able to play tackle for us or guard, but I do feel like the Steelers want to play him at tackle. So the idea where you can either stick him out left or right tackle will be a very good move and with the draft that the Steelers had was definitely a big trenches draft. So the idea that we can get a guy like him to help solidify our offensive line for whatever quarterback plays for us for the future and really be able to run the football effectively is definitely a great pick for us, Even if I was hoping a little bit we'd take a wide receiver.
Speaker 1:But again, fatanu of was a very good player. A little bit you were fucking banging in the second round.
Speaker 2:I was back in the second round, yes, but in the first round I was okay with him taking whoever, and fatanu was a very good pick, very good at tackle, very aggressive, like very good, very good player and I feel like he he fits the pittsburgh stealer way, so it's a very good pick. 21 Dolphins Chop Robinson edge for the Dolphins. They definitely needed an edge. They lost a few guys this past offseason. So very good pick, even though Chop Robinson wasn't the most effective guy. But I feel like if you could potentially change the way that you're being, you're using him, he can be another Micah Parsons type for your Miami Dolphins team. So if you can use him right, I do feel like he can be a lot more effective than he was in college.
Speaker 2:Philadelphia was able to sit where they're at and take Quinion Mitchell, the best corner, what a lot of people looked at as the best corner in this draft. He is a one-on-one guy. He did play out of Toledo. So you're questioning whether he can make the jump to the jump in talent that he'll end up having to face at wide receiver. But again, I feel like, from how bad their corners were last year, they just had to take the best guy available at the cornerback position and just kind of go with it, and if he needs a little bit of training it'll be good to go. But he does have every physical tool. He's over six foot, he can run a four. I think he's in a 4-4-1, so he's a very fast corner. So, all that being the case, it was a very good pick For them where there was a definite need For them to take somebody At the cornerback position. Jacksonville at 23 Sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm losing my voice there.
Speaker 2:Jacksonville at 23,. They traded back from 17 with Minnesota. They were able to take Brian Thomas Jr after losing. Why am I forgetting the wide receiver's name, Calvin Ridley last year? Yep, they needed a guy that could win on the outside with speed, and Brian Thomas Jr was the perfect spot.
Speaker 1:Because they couldn't go in with Christian Kirk and fucking Gabe Davis.
Speaker 2:Gabe Davis has made so much money off of having one great playoff game with the bills he made he's made so much money for being a 50 as player um not even that he's had.
Speaker 2:He had one great game and he's been eating off of that ever since because, honestly, ever since then he has not really had amazing games like that. So the idea that he was able to make another contract from another team, from the Jags, I just feel like was kind of crazy. But again, at least they protected themselves by going to pick a Brian Thomas Jr, a very physical guy, guy that went on the outside, I feel like he's over 6'2", 6'3", he's taller, has a lot of speed.
Speaker 2:He's the perfect spot for them to take advantage of what they have in Trevor Lawrence having the big arm being able to throw downfield accurately. Great pick for them. It was a perfect spot. Detroit took Terry and Arnold cornerback from Alabama. I feel like that was a perfect pick for them because the defense was the weakness of this team, especially their secondary, and the idea that you can get a guy like Terry and Arnold cornerback. He played at Alabama who was like you know they've seen everything in the sec and then, not to mention like he.
Speaker 2:Maybe he doesn't have all the physical tools in the world to be a number one, but at least he plays very sound. He doesn't like guys to get behind him. He doesn't like guys to get behind him. He makes good plays. I feel like he's a very safe pick for the detroit lions to be a cornerback for them. Maybe he takes the next step and becomes a physical freak that's ready to go in the nfl, but again, he at least is a high floor guy where you don't see it being a disaster.
Speaker 2:Green bay took offensive lineman jordan jordan morgan honestly I didn't know a lot about this dude from Arizona was where he played, but he's big, he's tall. I feel like if they were able to play him from day one he'll be a very good offensive tackle or, if he needs to sit, their offensive line honestly wasn't all that bad last year anyway. So maybe he can just sit and develop for a little bit and then have him ready to go either by the middle of the way this year or going into next year. So I feel like it wasn't necessarily like getting a flashy pick, but it was definitely a pick that they felt like they needed in Green Bay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, green Bay picked. What again Was it defense?
Speaker 2:Offensive lineman Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 1:That's a good pick. I guess by that point I kind of like my brain was like zoned because I was like we ordered the picks.
Speaker 2:It was a little bit boring by the end of the draft, to be totally honest. Nobody was really trading, it was just everybody just sitting packed and just taking who they needed. It was just good for the teams, but when it comes to watching on TV it definitely was not as exciting, especially in the latter half of the first round. Graham Barton was taken at 26 by the Tampaa buccaneers center from duke. He is looked at as a easy center in this draft, able to play from day one. He'll be a very good pick, and especially in the middle to protect uh why? Oh see, this is the first one for really beginning his name, uh, the quarterback from tampa bay baker baker.
Speaker 2:Having a guy like that that can sit there and protect baker Mayfield staff in the football was definitely a big need for them because they would. They were letting up a lot of pressure in the middle um getting after Baker. So the idea they could protect him for the next for however long they have him, or going in and whatever a quarterback they have after him. He is the guy has looked at. He's like pretty much a guaranteed 10-year pro that's going to be able to play some very good football. 27, arizona's.
Speaker 2:Back up again, take Darius Robinson, defensive end from Missouri, honestly a physical freak Able to play defensive end. He played a little bit defensive tackle at Missouri as well. Has that versatility there. But getting a guy like him being a physical freak help out their defensive side of the football, definitely a big move for them, especially with taking marv at the fourth pick overall. Definitely kind of balance it out by getting a defensive edge guy that can get after the quarterback, especially with all the quarterbacks they have to play um in their division. So definitely a big pick for them.
Speaker 2:Kansas city chiefs traded up with buffalo, which is kind of weird. If you are buffalo, how in the hell are amongst all the teams that you're going to trade with right that are calling you hey, can I get your pick with the team that has packed your lunch every year in the practically every year in the playoffs? Why would you trade with them, like, why would you help them get a player to make them better? I don't care what you're getting from them, it just feels like and you know what's funny is that when the Chiefs got Patrick Mahomes and they had to trade up to get him guess who? They traded with the Bills.
Speaker 1:Real quick. The Bills are tweaking the fuck out this whole fucking draft. They're like you know what? We don't want a draft. We want to sit here and do fucking nothing.
Speaker 2:Why help out the Chiefs? I don't care what the Chiefs want to give you compared to somebody else, but hell, why not sit there and get your wide receiver, because that's a position of need for you. I just don't understand why. I just don't get why you would. I would just have their number blocked. There is no reason they should be able to call you about trading for anything because of how much they've taken from you.
Speaker 1:Then the Chiefs, the Bengals, the fucking Jaguars like any team that you think might be in the playoffs. Fucking ignore them.
Speaker 2:But again, especially the Chiefs and the Bengals, Like those should be the two teams, the teams you've been battling with for years now.
Speaker 1:Those are the teams you pick up suck a dick and hang back up bro. Because I know that the Bengals apparently we got a couple costumes from people and we didn't entertain a single one.
Speaker 2:No, so like the idea that you are going to help the Chiefs get better as a football team is insane.
Speaker 1:Especially, you have to face them every year and they take everything from you, and every year you're going to watch Xavier Worthy burn your ass for 120 yards.
Speaker 2:And speaking of Xavier Worthy, that was the guy the Kansas City Chiefs picked. Xavier Worthy is supposed to be their next Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1:And he's about to be.
Speaker 2:He's a little smaller.
Speaker 1:But he's fast.
Speaker 2:He is. I feel like he was like he's like just six actually. He's like 5'11", 165. So he is very light. He is not because Tyreek Hill is thicker for his height Like he's heavier. Xavier Worthy is 165 pounds, so it's very slight. But at Texas, where he played at college football, he did play tough. He was able to get on the outside but he also made some catches over in the middle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was, how much 165.
Speaker 2:Oh, he needs to bulk up.
Speaker 1:And he's six foot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he's under six foot.
Speaker 1:Tyreek Hill is 5'10" 191. 5'10" 191.
Speaker 2:You need me to help you. Slow, xavier, all right, okay. Okay, I'm just out. I'm trying to help. I'm just trying to help.
Speaker 1:He's 6'1".
Speaker 2:He's 6'1" okay, 6'1" 195? 165. So he's a very slight guy. He did have a little bit of the drops he's in college, but he did break his hand at one point, so maybe that kind of helped.
Speaker 1:6'1", 165. That is itty bitty. He's itty bitty, Bro. That's like he's going to, he's on a flight to Kansas City and they're fucking force-feeding him. Yeah, Bro, you could like I'm looking at him, like hey, you got to bulk to at least 200.
Speaker 2:If he has the frame to do so, fuck.
Speaker 1:He's got to have the frame to carry it.
Speaker 2:But no, I feel like they made this pick like hey, over the last couple years since we've traded Tyreek Hill, we haven't had that speed guy that can go down the field and really take the top off the off the defense. Uh, who was his name? The guy that was a problem? Canary stoney was supposed to be that, but he has been nothing close to that, as ever since he's been with the chiefs. So they had to pick a guy that can do that, and jay worthy should be that guy. And with a guy like patchwell homes, I feel like they are trying to make their offense more explosive again. And especially it opens up for Travis Kelsey, it opens it up for Rasheed Rice, it opens up a whole offense when you have a guy of his speed that can just take the top off and you really have to worry about Not only give him a corner but you might have to give him a safety over top just to make sure you don't get beat deep. So it was definitely a great pick for them. Uh, even if the bills are just idiots for giving the opportunity to even pick that guy. 29 Dallas Cowboys taking Tyler Guyton off the tackle from Oklahoma, I feel like this was a weird spot. Uh, dallas did trade back um with Detroit in order to be at this spot at 29. Because they were at, they were with wherever the wherever the Lions were at 24, so the Cowboys were at 24. They traded back to 29 um in order to take their off to tackle. They are a little bit older at the position. I get why they would do so, but having a team um that they've believed can go to the playoffs and all that, but like having I like Tyler Tyler Guyton, the guy that might have to sit for a year or so and kind of learn the position, because he started off going to Oklahoma playing freaking tight end and they moved him to tackle. But he has all the physical tools in the world and everything, but it just felt like it was a weird pick for them to make, especially when they can have some other needs on defense they could potentially go after, but apparently Offset office saka was a guy that decided to go for baltimore ravens, you know the team that just loves to have good drafts and do all that.
Speaker 2:Take date wiggins, cornerback from clemson. He has all the physical tools in the world, he has the speed, he's a fluid uh runner. I just feel like it's going to be a pick that's going to, you know, end up being great for them, because they love picking defensive players and they all just end up working out for them for the most part. So definitely a big pick for them, definitely getting a very talented guy from the Clemson defense that you know just knows how to put out pros in the NFL.
Speaker 2:At 31, san Fran took Ricky Pearsall, a wide receiver from Florida. I believe he's around 6'1", 190 or something like that. He is looked at as like one of the better route runners in this year's draft, but he is Ricky Pearsall. He is white, so he doesn't necessarily and he has pretty good speed, but he's not necessarily the fastest guy in the world. If you here's, my guess is that when you pick a guy like him first off, when you have all the wide receivers you already have, why would you pick a guy like ricky pierce all at all? It's because I don't think they're going to have all three of those guys, because apparently during the draft they were talking about not only trading brandon iuk, a guy they they have yet to pay, who wants to get paid, but they were also talking about trading debo samuel, but with taking guy like ricky pierce all it feels like he fits the mold of more of a Brandon Ayuk. So it seems like at some point they're probably going to deal him and Ricky Pearsall is meant to be the next guy to kind of take over that spot and be ready to go.
Speaker 2:But it just seems like with having all the noise about them trading one of their wide receivers to try to get up in the draft or just get some more extra picks. But you think it's Ayuk Mm-hmm, because debo's already paid as much as you like. At least debo's paid that brandon iuk. He still wants to get paid and the idea that he can look at them at all and potentially want close to 30 million dollars a year. I I can understand why sanfran isn't necessarily keen on that, especially with all the other guys that they have paid as of right now. So and it's like ricky pierceall just kind of fits that mold a little bit better to where if they had to replace they had to put him in somebody's spot. It's Brandon Ayuk's spot that he would fit the most. So I just feel like Brandon Ayuk is probably going to be traded at some point before the season starts and, last but not least, in the first round, the Carolina Panthers trade back up with the Buffalo Bills, up with the with the buffalo bills. Apparently did not want a wide receiver here either. They decided to trade back, get some more picks. Um, carolina comes up and takes a little xavier laguette and if you listen to the podcast, it was when we had our our special guest on jake.
Speaker 2:He told us about this guy who is black, but he sounds so white, he's so southern, and it was like a very funny situation. I totally forgot about it. And then jake texts me like oh, it's the black white guy. And I'm like, oh, yeah, no, sorry, it's the white black guy, that's that. I have to say it, he was, it's a white black guy. So and I remember watching a video of him, like having his conference press conference and I heard him and I heard him all say a whole sentence and not say anything Like I'm talking.
Speaker 2:He's a very hard man to understand when it comes to him trying to talk, so I kind of feel bad for any type of media that has to cover him, because, man, when he gives you an answer about something, you may get every third or fourth word.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, dude, he's very hard to understand.
Speaker 2:Like you could tell, he's a very deep south dude and he's very like, very deep south like it's wild, like it's his house, that no one else would like eight miles yeah type of south like your closest neighbor's 15 miles away, type shit yeah, like going to the grocery store takes a day but with a guy like him he is a very physical freak. He he's looked at as like like an AJ Brown type, very 6'1", 210 pounds, 220.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I can understand what AJ Brown's saying.
Speaker 2:True, no for sure they're trying to fit a mold there, especially with it being Carolina. They need wide receivers that can win deep and kind of win big contested catches for their quarterback. So the idea that they were able to trade in to this pick at all in order to get a wide receiver that they wanted was a big deal for them.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to try to watch him and Bryce Young try to talk. I'm trying to tell them. Bryce Young is staring at him. I'm like what the fuck did you just say to me, bro? I can't understand a goddamn thing. He said he did play at.
Speaker 2:Alabama, so maybe he might be already used. Toette might be like level 10 of Southern drawl. It's going to be very difficult for our boy, bryce Young. Southern drawl don't even work for him man.
Speaker 1:He's like the embodiment of what Southern is.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing, Does everyone in his family talk like that? It's kind of hard for me not to think so.
Speaker 1:Because if they do, I'd probably kill myself being in a room with all of them. End my own life.
Speaker 2:Lots of run-on sentences, lots of run-on sentences. Very tough situation. But again, they're not trading him for speaking. They got him in order to get his physical abilities. Try to help Bryce Young out, get him a wide receiver that can win on the outside, help them out and maybe he can be that guy. Maybe he can be that guy, maybe he can be the next, uh, very good wide receiver for them. All right, and that's all the. That's all the first round picks. Uh, we talked about all of them, kind of went through them, and now I just kind of want to go through our each of our teams and just kind of talk about our drafts and kind of give how we talk about, how we feel about it. So let's see here, let's start with the cincinnati bangles. Here We'll kind of go through all the Bengals picks and kind of give some thoughts as to how we see it, what we think. All right, we already talked about the tackle that they took on Marius Mims In round two.
Speaker 2:You guys took Chris Jenkins, the defensive tackle, out of Michigan. Round three, you took Jermaine Burton, wide receiver from Alabama. You had another round three pick. You had McKinley Jackson, another defensive tackle. You guys really loaded up on defensive line in this draft for sure. Round four you took Eric Awe, a tight end, out of Iowa. The only reason he got picked as low as he did he has had two season-ending injuries the last two years at ACLs and stuff like that. So it is going to be if you can get him healthy, because he is a very talented wide receiver, especially going to Iowa. You know those Iowa tight ends are always very good. But if he can get healthy and be ready for you guys, it would definitely be a great pick for you guys. In general. Round five Josh Newton, cornerback out of TCU. Round six Tanner McLaughlin. Guys in general um round five josh newton, cornerback out of tcu. Round six tanner mcclough, mccloughlin, another tight end from arizona. So you guys are definitely loading up on tight end to help you guys out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah I think we're gonna be running a lot of two tight end schemes I feel like when you guys were at your best, you were doing that, yeah, and especially when you know you're not sure what you're going to be doing with T Higgins. So if the idea that you might have to trade him at some point and you could still run these two tight end sets with having why am I forgetting the wife's name? Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase on the edge Definitely a big move for them. Round six Cedric Johnson, edge from Mississippi. Round seven Dajon Anthony, from safety, from Mississippi, and then round seven, matt Lee, center, from Miami. All right, chase, looking at your team, is there any spot that you felt like you needed that they did not address at all? Fucking DB.
Speaker 1:What the fuck.
Speaker 2:Josh Newton from TCU, if they could have taken a high Like somebody in the first round we could have got the best DB on the board you could have.
Speaker 1:I understand what we were doing.
Speaker 2:You have your pick. I understand the motive right.
Speaker 1:But for a dude that's probably gonna sit for a year, if not two, cause he plays left tackle. Exactly, he's not a right tackle and, as we learned, just because they can play tackle doesn't mean they could play both right, yeah, well, for a lot of guys going from side to side, that's the other thing if he does want to go on at right tackle.
Speaker 1:you gotta look at my football. A tj's what? Tj watts coming for your ass and he does not move. Miles garrett will move around and even the thing is, miles garles Garrett's going to be on your side. Myles Garrett avoided Orlando Brown last year because he can't fucking get past Orlando Brown. True, he couldn't get past him when he was on Kansas City. He couldn't get past him when he was on the fucking Bengals. Tj Watt stays on that right side. He does not move from that right side. So they're going to have to look at me like hey, TJ Watt's coming for your ass. There ain't shit you can do about it, and he's going to do this shit twice. Myles Garrett's probably coming for your ass and I'm going to be honest with you. We signed Trent Brown to a year deal, so next year that dude's going in. I would have preferred we just took the best DB on the board.
Speaker 2:We had to pick the litter, because, if nothing else, he can help you right now. Right now.
Speaker 1:We need DB. We have three promising DBs, but they're young and none of them are particularly fast.
Speaker 2:They're not all physically gifted like ready to go right now.
Speaker 1:Like what is it? Dj Ivy is one from Michigan. He's really good, but he's small. Is Like what is it? Dj Ivy is the one from Michigan. He's really good, but he's small. Is it DJ Ivy or Turner DJ?
Speaker 2:Turner, dj Turner, he's really really good, yep, he's just small.
Speaker 1:So okay, cool, cam Tiller-Puritt helps that by being bigger A tad bit bigger, but he's still like six foot. He is six foot, but he's more swole, but he's not as fast.
Speaker 2:Right, but when you had your option to get Quinion Mitchell, who's over six feet tall, he's quick.
Speaker 1:He has long arms, he has everything we could possibly need Could have taken Teron Arnold. I'd sit back and be like, hey, maybe we should go DB. I understand the motive of hey, if Joe Burrow's not protected, we're not playing. True, fuck a defense. But again, this guy may not help you at all this season and that's the thing. Even if he does go in next season will he help? This dude could be a fucking bust. Eight games he only played eight games in Georgia. Everybody else are going off like two years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no for sure we have quality tape. This dude Fuck with most of the quarterback. We have five years of quality tape.
Speaker 2:The idea that you at pick 18, you are a finished product, is a tad bit of an issue. Eight games is not a lot at all. Like it's. It's not a good amount of games whatsoever, especially off its tackle, like if you're good enough to play, you'll play.
Speaker 2:But I feel like him not playing has been more of like an injury thing, um, and him not necessarily being ready you'll be able to play right away. So it's a little bit of a project. But if the project works out it's a very big lottery ticket. You going to be able to because, honestly, when it comes to him being the most physically gifted, he might be the most physically gifted tackle in this whole draft. But again, you have to. You have to train them up, you have to get them ready and there's no guarantee that's all going to work out. It's an idea that even in the perfect situation he's not going to help you for at least a year and if he's supposed to protect Joe Burrow, like what happens if he's not able to help you at all this year and going he gets hurt again.
Speaker 2:It's just a whole thing. So, and the idea that you could potentially get a cornerback that can help your defense out, which has been like more like the bad side of you, like especially the secondary, has been the spot of probably weakness for your team. You had your spot. That was your, was your spot to get any DB you wanted and you didn't pick it. So it's kind of a little bit iffy there. You ended up taking one later, but it just wasn't a top Right. You could have taken any DB you wanted. So it's just definitely a weird one. There you did go.
Speaker 2:Wide receiver Jermaine Burton he was a nice pick for you guys. He's like right at six foot. Let me see here. Oh no, I had it. I had the thing where I wanted to do it. Let's see. Oh, I got that. I got that page again, I had it. It was all good. Let's see. There we go. Yes, jermaine Burton, wide receiver from Alabama, definitely a good pick for you guys. He wasn't necessarily the most productive guy, but he has all the speed in the world that you would want. He has some decent route running. I feel like. He's just at 6 foot 196 pounds, so I don't think he'll necessarily be able to play outside.
Speaker 1:He's going to be more of a slot guy.
Speaker 2:Maybe he can play a little bit outside, but it's not necessarily a guarantee. But, with all that being the case, it's definitely a big help for you guys there. Let me see here, I did it and then just like got rid of it altogether. Draft record All right, let's get back to it. Boom, see y'all there. We go sorry about that there. And then mckinley jackson you got a lot of defensive tackles.
Speaker 2:I do feel like, with um the bangles having like seeing all the picks that were taken for all the other teams in the afc north, with the, with the steelers loading up at tackle and offensive line, I do feel like, and you have the, uh, the browns loading up at the defensive line I mean defense and offensive line. So I do feel like, uh, the, you have the Browns loading up at the defensive line. I mean defensive and offensive line. So I do feel like the Bengals kind of responded in kind saying hey, we are a little bit older at that spot, so we're going to have to take a few guys. And they did. They took one guy from Texas A&M and then another guy from Michigan, chris.
Speaker 2:Jenkins was a very good pick. He's very productive at Michigan even though I hate to say that about any type of Michigan player but he's very quick, able to have a really good first step. He's going to be able to get after the quarterback. He's going to be a very productive player for you guys at defensive tackle position. But you took two of them so, all that being the case, it's definitely going to be a big move for you guys at defensive tackle. You guys took two ends to help you guys out philly kill. You have one.
Speaker 2:you have joseki right now but the idea that you can get maybe one of these two eric all or tanner mcclaughlin um from arizona to be your other guy, to be on the other side def gonna be a big move for you guys, especially with joe burrow being the you know, the absolute assassin. He is back there. The idea that you'd be able to have two tight ends that are able to make some big plays um from offensive line position, I think the Bengals are at the best when we have tight ends?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no for sure. I think back to Aiden Hurst and CJ Uzama and I'm like man, that was it, and I'm ready to get back to that man.
Speaker 2:You'll be able to run some jumbo sets, be able to protect Joe Burrow a little bit more. It's definitely a big move for them Because obviously when you have three, three wide receiver sets, it's going to be a lot harder to protect them. But if you were running some jumbo sets with two tight ends where they have a little bit more meat on the outside and you can kind of protect him a little bit better and also have him catch the catch passes, it's definitely a big move. Um, cedric johnson from mississippi honestly I had not seen too much of him but from what I read he was, he was a very good player, was able to do a lot for them. He's going to be a good developmental guy for you and if he works out he'll be able to do a lot for you guys.
Speaker 2:And then Dejohn Anthony safety from Mississippi. Another good player, was able to play some pretty good snaps in Mississippi as well. Hopefully he can just kind of be another piece guy for you guys, because I feel like you guys do have two safeties you like as of right now. So if he can just be a piece that you can kind of sit back there and kind of beat some depth, will definitely a big be a big one for you guys, and you guys take matt lee, the center, from miami that was a good one again, I feel like center is one of those positions.
Speaker 2:If you can just get the right size, um, center is a very easy position to develop for the most part. So if you just get the guy that kind of fits the dimension that you want, you'll you should be able to kind of, as long as everything works out, be able to build them up into being a decent center for you guys long term if you end up meeting him. So, all that being the case, if you had to give your team a grade as to how the draft went, what would you give them? C, I was thinking. A, b, I was thinking.
Speaker 1:C, because I'm really worried about our first round pick, because that's the guy where everybody's kind of looking at us like, hey, defense is a big one. It's the secondary that I'm really going to struggle on. Yeah, especially when we have both tackles. Yeah, I'm looking, going to struggle on especially when we have both tackles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm looking at him like, all right, now he has to be good, because I think he's the only O-line in this class. I'm like he could be a bust. He's the only one in this class. Then I'm looking like, yeah, no, he could be trash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no question man. So a, b, my bet is C. I'll say B because at least you hit every single knee that you needed in this draft, even though you probably should have gotten a better DB for where you're at, especially that first round, man, like you said, it's like the fact that you took a project tackle when you could take a DB that could help you right now is definitely a little bit of a head scratcher. But again, when you're looking at it, hey, joe Burrow is the most prized asset that we have. We have to protect that. It kind of makes sense. But again, it's just the fact that he won't, probably won't be able to help you for at least a year is definitely potentially an issue. And on top of the fact, you have to build him up to be that in general in order to be ready by the time next year comes around. So I'll give you about a, b because you hit everything that you needed, but it's just at the spots you did is kind of iffy when it comes to what your return is going to be, right away from those guys. So you know, let's go ahead and go to my team over here, go through. We already talked about the Tano, the off the tackle from Washington and Brown too. We took Zach Frazier, the center, from West Virginia. He is looked at as a road grader. He's going to be looked at like. The Steelers know how to draft centers when they do and the last guy we drafted that was big was Pouncey Was a very good center for us. He's going to be a pro bowl guy. So the Steelers know how to draft centers and Zach Frazier I watched him at West Virginia Absolute road grader. He's able to run block, he's able to pass block and you're not getting past him. He's a freaking wall. I think he let up one sack last year in pass protection at West Virginia, so it's definitely going to be a big pick for us.
Speaker 2:Round three Roman Wilson, wide receiver from Michigan. He's about six foot a little bit thicker. He has the speed to be able to get burning type of DV. He's going to face it sucks. He's a guy from Michigan because now I have to root for him. But again he's on my team. Now I'll have to get rid of those type of thoughts in my head. He's helping my team in the pros, so I'm going to have to get over that. But again he is a good person to we got rid of. Oh, I'm forgetting the wife's name. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, this sucks. Who is it that we got rid of? You're going to let me struggle on this, aren't you? It's oh, no, oh, no, no, no, no, no, oh, this sucks. Oh, I hate. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1:Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 2:Deontay Johnson jace, I hate you so much, deontay johnson, we replaced it, we. He was a guy that we replaced, especially after trading him off to the panthers. So to getting a guy like roman wilson will definitely be a guy that can kind of fit right into that spot. He's a good route runner, he has speed, he's able to do everything he wants. He isn't necessarily the biggest guy, but again, he's not. That's. That's what we have george pickens for, so definitely a good pick there. Our second third round pick is going to be peyton wilson, linebacker out of nc state, without the medical stuff. Um, he was looked at as potentially being a first or second round pick, but apparently he might be. He has one knee that doesn't have an ACL at all, which is kind of alarming when it comes to his medical, but he never missed a snap and he had over 150 tackles last year. So even without an ACL he was definitely able to be very productive.
Speaker 1:Mike Odo. He has no ACL in one leg.
Speaker 2:Well, there you go. So there are players that have played without ACLs and been just fine, but the idea that you have all of that already coming out of college is definitely a little bit of a red flag. But Peyton Wilson was the fastest linebacker in this year's draft and he's going to be able to cover practically anybody when it comes to tight ends or slot receivers because he has all the speed in the world. So getting a guy like that in the third round, as long as he can stay healthy, can be a very good pick for us to be able to play alongside of the, the linebacker we just picked up from.
Speaker 1:Patrick, patrick Queen. God damn bro, these are your it happens every freaking podcast.
Speaker 2:I just I have like one stretch where I was remembering everything earlier, but then right now I'm just like having a little bit of a moment here. Have Peyton Wilson be able to play alongside of Patrick Queen. Having a guy that can cover all types of receivers out of the backfield either running backs, tight ends, slot receivers If it all works out, it would definitely be a big pick for us. Round four. Mason McCormick guard out of South Dakota State. I get it, he's not necessarily like a big school guard, but he is big. I think he's like six, four, six, five at like 320. Um. Definitely a big pick. If he can work out at guard, we can just place him right in and he'll be able to be a guard for the future for us.
Speaker 2:Logan Lee in in round six defensive tackle out of Iowa. He wasn't necessarily like a star guy but he was very disciplined, able to make the right play. He just knows how to play the game of football and he's where he needs to be at all times, definitely a good guy to have. If he makes the team, he'll be a good pickup for us. And then, round six pick 19,yan watts, cornerback out of texas.
Speaker 2:He is a big cornerback. He played at ohio state and at texas. He's 6-3, he's 195, he has long arm he has longest arms in this whole draft at corner so and he's able to blitz off of the from the cornerback position and heck, because of the size that he has, he has that positional versatility where you might be able to play safety too. So I do feel like he can be a very, very good pickup for us where, either at corner or at safety, he will be a very good player. And again, I saw him play at both Ohio State and at Texas. He was able to make a lot of plays for both teams. So, with all that being the case, I do feel like we had a pretty good draft. We kind kind of hit every need we had we hit.
Speaker 2:I would have liked to be able to pick up a bigger wide receiver earlier on in the draft, but the idea that you can get a guy like Roman Wilson, who is not very productive because of the offense he was playing in at Michigan but with the positions he did have, he was making big plays and he has the speed, he has everything you need to take over for. Deontay Johnson plays, yeah, and he has the speed. He has everything you need to take over for deontay johnson. If I had to give my team a draft grade, I'd probably give him like a b plus a minus. Give him a c as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right but again, at least you didn't address your db problem either that's true also, at 20, you had to pick up the litter. This is my problem, true, but we didn't take.
Speaker 1:We didn't take a project off to tackle, though he's gonna be able to start from day one, which I agree on, but it still doesn't change the fact that neither of us can fucking cover the top receivers in our fucking division. My guys are better than yours. You have joey porter, but joey porter does still struggle with faster receivers. Yeah, but he played very well and I'm not denying that, I'm just saying with faster receivers. Yeah, but he played very well last year and I'm not denying that, I'm just saying with faster and smaller receivers, especially when Joey Porter's a really built dude. He does better on a Tee Higgins type receiver than he does on a Jamar Chase type receiver.
Speaker 2:He didn't do bad against Jamar Chase last year.
Speaker 1:He didn't do bad, but Jamar Chase still had 120 yards Again. That is Jamar Chase, like Joey Porter did fucking great against Amari Cooper Fucking amazing. He didn't do as great on Zay Flowers, but Zay Flowers is faster than Chase, right? So I think you also really need a first-round DB. I think both our teams got to fuck that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again I think just the difference is our first tackle we can throw in day one he'll be ready to go.
Speaker 1:You guys took a little bit more of a project, but again, again, I think my line starting off is better than yours.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're more veteran, but I think we Talent-wise I don't think it's necessarily a huge difference.
Speaker 1:Talent-wise I think you're probably better, because Roger Jones only got to show what he could do a little bit.
Speaker 2:About half of the years when he started playing full-time, but I think veteran, they're not going to make rookie mistakes.
Speaker 1:True, no for sure. I think we'll be better and more consistent.
Speaker 2:But I do feel like with the offensive lineman that we did pick up, we put three picks towards the offensive line in this draft and the idea we have two offensive linemen in Troy Furtano and Zach Frazier that we'll be able to throw in right away and be able to play and start. I feel like we're going to be able to run the football very effectively this year with our running backs, especially with the upgrades at the offensive line position. So, all that being the case, roman Wilson, be able to add him in, be able to play from day one, I do feel like we had a very good draft. But again, I'll give you that credit is that cornerback in round one probably would have been very needed. But the credit is that cornerback in round one probably would have been very needed.
Speaker 2:But the idea that we can get a guy like Ryan Watts if he can, just he can learn the playbook, he has all the, he has height, weight, speed, he has everything with that, but it's when it came to the um he's a little bit slow, obviously 6'3, so he's a little bit slower. But again, him, you could throw him at safety, he could be very effective. So I just feel like, with having that positional versatility there, maybe he won't work out. But again, if everything works out well for there, maybe we can be. He can be a diamond in the rough that we found in the sixth round. So I'll give b plus. I'll give myself a b plus there. A minus might be a little a little high.
Speaker 1:A little high there I'll give you a b plus, I'll take it.
Speaker 2:I'll take it, I'll take it, I'll take it, I'll take it, I really will and a second year of having our brand-new GM Khan be able to do the draft. He's done very well. We didn't do as much moving around in this draft but again I feel like with the spots that we had we definitely addressed every need that we had.
Speaker 1:I'm on my fourth year of a new GM and he's to be honest with you everything but his first-round pick is always good. Hey take it, I know, but I'm kind of frustrated at that. Okay, everything but fucking Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase. My bad, he did draft those two, but again it's come on. They're like fucking guaranteed, especially when you're picking out one and five Like anybody you pick. That high should be good, unless they're Trey.
Speaker 2:Lance or Zach Wilson? True, no, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1:But I don't know.
Speaker 2:I feel like my GM's really great at drafting second and third round talents. Yeah, I get you All right. So I just want to last couple things here I just want to talk about. –'m going to give Jace, if you could just think about one draft that you liked and one draft you disliked outside of your own team. I'm going to go with one draft I did like outside of my own team.
Speaker 2:I like the Eagles draft. They are really good at drafting, but with the guys they would pick up. They would pick up Quinion Mitchell, cornerback out of Toledo, the guy that we both wanted at our spots in the first round. Round two, they pick Cooper Dejean, another cornerback. Maybe he plays safety, maybe he's able to play some corner in the league, who knows? I'm going to give him a chance and say, at least give him an opportunity. But the idea that they can get a guy like him and he'll be able to affect them from day one, being able to punt and kick return, because he was a monster at that at Iowa. So he definitely helps them right now.
Speaker 2:Max Hunt, will Shipley running back out of Clemson. He was pretty good at Clemson but not the most explosive guy, but he's definitely be able to get you a lot of tough yards. Anaya Smith, wide receiver from Texas A&M. He has height, weight, speed, he has all that but he wasn't the most productive at Texas A&M but I think that was more out of the fact that they didn't really have a lot of great quarterback play. And not to mention, jimbo Fisher was their head coach and you know he's not good at his job. So, all that being the case, is definitely a good wide receiver pick for them.
Speaker 2:They picked up Jeremiah Trotter Jr out of Clemson in the fifth round who was a very good linebacker for Clemson Like he is a very gifted guy. Didn't have the most production but again, linebacker is always an undervalued position in general. So most of the linebackers kind of get pushed down for the most part. But the idea that you can get a guy like that in the fifth round, the guy that was so productive in college, was definitely a big move for them. And then let's see, they also took Trevor Keegan, a guy from Michigan, a guard. If you take any of those offensive linemen from Michigan, they was all very good last year. Got to give them that credit there.
Speaker 2:Johnny Wilson from Florida State height, weight, speed, wide receiver. They don't necessarily need necessarily wide receivers, but to get a guy like that that you can put in your stash, him on your bench and be ready to go If you need him later on in the future he'll be there, ready to go. And then their last center pick in round six, dylan McMahon Not necessarily a name that I know too much about. Well, I'll give them their credit that they know how to pick offensive linemen. So if they're picking him, they definitely know what they're looking for. So I'm going to give them their credit and say it's probably a good pick, even in the sixth round. So that's a draft that I liked and then a draft that I did not like. Do you have a draft that you like, jace?
Speaker 1:I am pulling it up now.
Speaker 2:Want me to go through my draft. I didn't like then no, I have it here, okay.
Speaker 1:I like the Washington Commanders draft.
Speaker 2:Let me see, I'll click to them here. Go ahead, tell me what you liked.
Speaker 1:First round pick number two overall Jaden Daniels. Of course, good pick. You need the quarterback. You have the receivers around him, you have a good running back. Your O-line's shaky, but I think they also addressed that later on True. They did Now their round two. Second overall was Jair Newton Jerzan Newton Jerzan. Jair Jerzan Jerzan.
Speaker 2:Defensive tackle from Illinois. He was very effective in Illinois, so he'll be a very good pick for them.
Speaker 1:It was a great pick, I think he's going to be that. Defense needs help, especially in the defensive line. So I think that's a big, big, big, big out. Physical line. So I think that's a big, big, big, big out. Uh, 50th overall. They pick up, uh, michigan, michigan's mike um san ristel. San ristel is the cornerback.
Speaker 2:That's a good quarterback he will be able to play the slot right away and he will be a tone setter. He is very physical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can very good very good and I like that. They drafted him. They had a lot of second-round picks. They picked up Luke McCaffrey. I'm not there yet, bro, oh, okay, what the fuck?
Speaker 2:Let me get there. I'm still in the second round. This is yours. They have four second-round picks. I'll get there. Did they really I?
Speaker 1:didn't even look at that. I'm on three right. They picked up Ben Sinat, sinat, sinat Sinat.
Speaker 2:Sinat.
Speaker 1:Cornerback from.
Speaker 2:Or.
Speaker 1:Sineau, don't know, cornerback from Kansas State.
Speaker 2:Tight end, kansas State.
Speaker 1:He's a corner.
Speaker 2:Ben Sineau.
Speaker 1:Is a tight end.
Speaker 2:From Kansas State. Oh, they have cornerback right here.
Speaker 1:No, no, it a tight end from Kansas State. Oh, they have a cornerback right here.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's a tight end, oh dang.
Speaker 1:Who would take a cornerback from Kansas State? No, I'm pretty he is a tight end, but yeah, tight end. Still, I'm like, why the fuck does he say cornerback?
Speaker 2:He's 6'4" 250. He's not playing cornerback If he's a fucking cornerback bro.
Speaker 1:I can be a cornerback Like what the fuck? That's a good pick, nice little tight end. They don't really have one, so he's somewhere. I don't think they have one.
Speaker 2:I feel like they did.
Speaker 1:We'll check later. But, Even if they do. I think he's just consistent, especially from a school like Kansas State where it's like, yeah, tight ends, I'd pick that guy. Yeah, he's big, he had 82 catches for 1,138 yards and 10 touchdowns. He was first team, all-big 12.
Speaker 2:There you go, so he's not a very athletic tight end though, hey, but sometimes I feel like you need toughness at tight end more than athleticism.
Speaker 1:True, true, true, true. Think about it.
Speaker 2:Mark Andrews is not the most athletic guy in the world, but he's just a very tough, tight end and this guy is very Mark Andrews-like Right.
Speaker 1:He does not drop the ball. He gets a lot of catches. He's a red zone threat, right. Next thing they draft was Brandon Coleman from TCU. He's a tackle slash guard. That's something they need.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:He's not. He played and started all 15 games. Yep. He didn't let up many sacks. He was an honorable mention for the Big 12, all Big 12 team Very athletic from what he's been given. Yeah, he only allowed one one sack over like 700 snaps and that's really really good, so I think that's a good. I believe he's a three-year starter, so that was a good one.
Speaker 1:Luke mcafree um take from mcafree tree yeah, he went to rice and he's a guy I had pointed out before the draft had started. Um, because I was just looking at his physical tools and he's um six, two, about 200 pounds.
Speaker 2:Um, I mean, I don't shoot, he's kind of good four, four, six, forty, decently fast 71 receptions, 990 yards, 13 touchdowns that's a good little target and you can tell by based off all the stories that uh christian mcafree told about his dad. They he taught them how to be nfl players.
Speaker 1:So the idea that you're gonna get a guy like you're gonna get a guy that's gonna come in, be disciplined and want to do the extra work, as, as we've seen, chris mcafree has always wanted to do the extra work. Yeah, and I mean honestly, you could get a nice, maybe not a number two, but like a number three or slot receiver. Yeah, out of this guy with most likely sure fucking hands, he probably don't drop many, right?
Speaker 2:Chris McCaffrey for damn sure don't no.
Speaker 1:So I'm guessing you're going to get a dude with really short hands. He's going to catch every ball. He's going to be I need a check down and he's going to be there for you. Not a thousand yard receiver, but 500 yards every year.
Speaker 2:You probably don't need that with all the wide receivers you already have on your team. No, definitely a good pick for them.
Speaker 1:Round five they took Jordan Maggi, the linebacker from Temple.
Speaker 2:Let's just say Jordan McGee. I feel like that one. There's no way, it's Maggi. I think it's McGee Linebacker Temple. Looks like he's a height, weight, speed guy, 6'1" 228.
Speaker 1:He is, but every guy they've selected so far has been the captain, one of the captains, of their teams. They've been like all of them are three-year guys. They're picking players who they think are going to be ready to go, maybe not at the start of the season, but halfway through the season, or these are guys I can throw in there and we are ready to play.
Speaker 2:This team is gearing up to be a contender, maybe not this year, but next year, especially for the nfc nfc yes, and this draft is very much showing it. Um he ran a 4-5-5-40, so it's definitely good for a linebacker he led uh.
Speaker 1:He led his team in tackles in 12 games and he had three tackles for loss. He's a good linebacker. It's a good pick for him. They pick a safety. Dominique Hampton from Washington.
Speaker 2:He's coming from a good defensive team with Washington he is.
Speaker 1:He is a big, very big safety. He's a strong safety. I'm guessing. Um, he's not really a coverage guy, no, but he has some, he has. He has good pass breakups and he was. He's a great tackler and on washington were a big problem. If I watch their defense miss eight tackles, yeah, and I'm like what the fuck? Um?
Speaker 2:He's athletic for sure.
Speaker 1:He is.
Speaker 2:He ran a 4.5, 140.
Speaker 1:He's a very big dude, yeah, and he's really fucking fast 6'2" 215. Yeah, like, so it's. That was a very good pick for them, and I just. That was their last pick of the draft, though they did not go all the way down.
Speaker 2:They had Javante Jean-Baptiste.
Speaker 1:Oh my bad. The defensive end.
Speaker 2:Edge from Notre Dame, but he did play at Ohio State so I did get to see a little bit of him there. I don't think he's necessarily going to be a big sack guy, but he definitely plays against the run.
Speaker 1:very well, he's going to add some pressure to the quarterback.
Speaker 2:And he plays the run very well, so it's definitely a good thing for them.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying they could not stop at run blocking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I do think he's going to be a nice little piece.
Speaker 1:Maybe not be like the star of your defense but he's definitely going to be a guy you can rotate in Depth piece Rotate in.
Speaker 2:He'll be a very good player for you, especially against the run, so it's definitely a good draft. I totally agree. They had a decent draft for what they were going for. Do you have a draft automatically that you know that who you got? The Browns all three picks go for it all three pick. I did like their second round pick though that's the only pick I like.
Speaker 1:Mike Hall Jr Ohio State great pick. It's a good pick.
Speaker 2:He's a good defensive tackle, he'll be able to play right away. He plays really quick. I do feel like, especially with having a guy like uh miles garrett on the other on the outside you have my uh hall will be able to get a lot of pressure from the inside because of his quick first step man. I don't think there's gonna be a lot of centers in the league they're gonna be able to stop him from getting past you really fast. Um, he's not. He doesn't necessarily play with the most strength, but he knows how to play. He doesn't make a lot of bad plays, so definitely a good pick for them on that one.
Speaker 1:They went straight defense and then won two offensive players.
Speaker 2:They got Zach Zittner the guard from Michigan. He was hurt last year. His season ended because of an ACL injury.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is where it kind of goes down.
Speaker 1:For me that's not a pick I would go for doesn't, he's not, I would help you right away, for sure especially like, even if he does go in, he's kind of small and he's not super athletic and he's gonna get beat off the edge by guys like fucking tj watt, trey henderson, um roquan smith uh, he's wasn't the best guard available in the round in the third round and it was kind of it was a reach for me. The next one they got was uh jamari, uh thrash. I was here from louisville. He's there's kind of no, there was. He doesn't have good stats, he's not super big, he's not super fast. Um, I don't understand why you draft him. I know it's a fifth-round receiver, but it's kind of like why I'd prefer if you went more O-line, because you guys kind of need that, your O-line is always getting older.
Speaker 1:You have a good one, but they're really old, so it was just kind of like why? And they didn't have many picks. Uh, the next one was a nathaniel watson from mississippi state. Um, he's big and he's slow. Like he's really slow, he ran like a. He ran a four, nine and I understand that as a linebacker you're not super fast, but he was like bottom five.
Speaker 2:Especially when you're going to have to, you know, cover some running backs, some tight ends, some slots yeah, he's not doing that shit Some slot wide receivers potentially.
Speaker 1:He's very slow. He's big and he's a blitzer. He's not the type to. I want to sit back and cover. He needs to blitz. That's how Mississippi State played him. That's not how the Browns are going to play him. The Browns are going to play him. You have to be a linebacker. Yeah, I need you to go out there and cover and he's not going to be able to do that. Yeah, the next was Adibi from South Dakota. Automatically, I'm like what the fuck? Who did he? Miles Harden from South Dakota. Okay, I like you gotta throw this dude out there, like with Zay Flowers. Um, jamar Chase Fucking George Pickens. He has to like help. I understand this dude's probably gonna be your slot DB. All of us have slot receivers. I don't know about you, but the Bengals love throwing Jamar Chase in the slot. Yeah, we love doing that shit all of us have slot receivers.
Speaker 1:I don't know about you, but the Bengals love throwing Jamar Chase in the slot. Yeah, we love doing that shit. And when this dude can't fucking cover Jamar Chase because he's eight yards down the field, what?
Speaker 2:are you going to do yeah?
Speaker 1:And then they took the DT Jawan Briggs from Cincinnati. That Cincinnati team was terrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they weren't Especially defensively yeah.
Speaker 1:And you already drafted a pretty good DT at the start?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and I just Maybe he's not meant to touch the field.
Speaker 1:But again, if you have so little. Why, though?
Speaker 2:You have so little picks like you probably should try to get more impact guys, you got to be really, really smart about browns.
Speaker 1:I just felt like the only pick they were smart about was the first one yeah, zinter, I feel like for a long-term thing they probably don't need him right away but again him coming off the bat.
Speaker 2:The bad injury, acl injury, has no lineman.
Speaker 1:That's hard, yeah, no for sure I like, like in cases like there's a lot of positions on the field that you can't have an ACL injury as, but that's one of them. Yeah, even at fucking quarterback, if you're a pocket passer, you'll be cool, right, but at guard you launch from your legs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not where you want an ACL at, and I'm like I would have skipped him. The only good pick was Michael Jr yeah.
Speaker 2:He's a good solid DT.
Speaker 1:That's going to help you in the run and in the passing. He's going to help you get both yeah. And he's very, very good. But other than that y'all had let's see, that's one, two, three, four, five, six. So you had six picks out of six. One is good. I'm giving you guys an F, I'll give you a D Michael Jr is going to be great. Everything else is a. What the fuck, bro? But that's all I got.
Speaker 2:All right, and the draft I did not like was the Cowboys. I did not like their draft particularly much, their first round pick, Tyler Guyton. He has all the physical tools in the world but he's not necessarily going to be able to start from day one.
Speaker 1:I feel like we missed all their picks.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll let you know what they have.
Speaker 1:I think me and you were sitting on the couch during the first round and we were both on our phones during the Cowboys pick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't disagree with you. Round Round two, they picked Marshawn Neeland edge out of Western Michigan, like he has let me see. Is he a high-weight speed guy, 6'3", 267,? Yeah, but when it comes to he's athletic but he's not very productive. He's like the 15th-ranked edge out of this whole thing. Especially using that on a second-round pick is kind of crazy. That's high.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's a third or fourth and it's not like the edge pick. There weren't a bunch of edges being picked. So it's not like they had their pick of the litter for the most part, except for, like the top, top guys, and they picked him. So it's kind of weird, yeah, it's weird. Round three, they picked Cooper Beebe, a guard from Kansas State, and it's just crazy how they're putting so many picks into their guard spot when they're looked at, these are all future type of picks you're making, but it feels like you needed more to be able to help your team right away. But with a guy like Tyler Guyton, cooper Beebe and then they took another, nathan Thomas, off the tackle from Louisiana, lafayette what With the guys they picked, they're not going to have any of those guys be able to start from day one these aren't impactful at all, right.
Speaker 2:They picked Maurice Leofu from linebacker from Notre Dame. Like I get it. They had one guy, but again he's not going to help them right away either. He's more of like a hey, hey, maybe in the future guy he'll be able to turn into something. Um, kaylin carson, cornerback from wake forest, I don't think like maybe he has this. Is he a height, weight, speed guy, six foot 199, not the most athletic, like he's not necessarily going to be able to start from day one.
Speaker 2:I just feel like, with all the picks that they had, and then you had after him, you you had Ryan Flournoy for a wide receiver from South Missouri, southeast Missouri State, which I'm like even in the sixth round there were still wide receivers that have done more on a bigger stage and they picked him, which is kind of crazy. Let me see, make sure he's 6'1", 202. So he's very athletic. When it comes to his production, he really didn't have any, especially coming from a place where where you know it's not like you're playing the best competition out there. So the idea that he didn't even kind of be able to, he wasn't able to do big things in the spot that he was in, where even if he was very athletic he wasn't very productive is kind of crazy. Um nath, like I already said, nathan thomas and then justin rogers defense tackle from auburn. So, like amongst all the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, they had eight picks.
Speaker 2:I maybe one of them will be able to do anything for them year one, especially when you the way you ended your season was getting stomped out by the packers, like you didn't really need an impactful pick you didn't get the running back that you that you needed, like they had multiple spots to try to get a running back and you didn't get the running back that you that you needed, like they had multiple spots, try to get a running back and they didn't. Why didn't they draft him at 30 um, because it would have been too early to pick somebody that early, especially at running back. But then all the guys they wanted, especially they wanted the guy from texas in the second round, he'd got picked already. So like they didn't, they didn't trade up. When they had the opportunity to to get the running back, they and then you would go the rest of the draft without getting a running back you definitely need.
Speaker 2:So they didn't get a running back. They didn't really get another wide receiver because they kind of let a couple of the wide receivers go this past year to help out old boy CD Lamb. Have they paid him? No, I haven't paid him yet.
Speaker 1:Then you needed a receiver. They haven't paid him Dak or freaking uh, michael Parsons Dak. I understand Michael Parsons I'm iffy on and then I wouldn't pay CD.
Speaker 2:But that's just me personally, but just amongst all the picks they had, they do not have anybody that's going to be able to help them right now yeah maybe Guyton if everything goes perfectly, but I just don't think that's going to be the case.
Speaker 2:So I just think their draft it is like they did not really they didn't address all the needs that they had and then, with the guys they did address, they just like none of them were going to be able to help right away. You're playing in two or three years, right, and you're already playing in a division where, like you know, the washington's going to be making a big jump up. Uh, hopefully the giants are going to be able to do something, but again they have Daniel Jones, so I'm not really going to put any type of hope into that. But the Eagles are loading the clip right back up to be able to be great next year. How are you with the picks they have? If you compare your draft to the Eagles, you're getting stomped out Heck.
Speaker 1:even if you compare it to the Giants, the Giants still drafted for need.
Speaker 2:And the Giants drafted for need and they have a lot of guys gonna be help them, be able to help them in year one draft.
Speaker 1:So like I don't like what this is.
Speaker 2:This is gonna be some washington's second year where they had a good draft and if you look at yourself as the cowboys right, and the only team that you really see yourself like being like, if you see yourself as the only team that can really challenge the eagles, guess what the eagles got? They're already much better than you. And then they got better. They got better out of this draft in a way that you guys didn't. So how are you going to be able to close that gap?
Speaker 2:It's kind of crazy, even though the eagles didn't really play all that great last year. But I do think they're going to kind of reload the clip and kind of get a lot better, especially on defense. I just don't think the cowboys did enough to really, you know, be any better in comparison to last year, and especially when you have your owner and jerry j hey, we're all in. It just seems like as much as they're all in, they're really just saying, hey, this is the last year for this kind of group of players and if it doesn't work out, we're blowing this thing up. So I don't even think they've really made a lot of moves to get better in comparison to last year, where you got destroyed by the Packers in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Blowing the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Like it wasn't even close, like it was a terrible way for you guys to go out. And it just sucks that you have all those draft picks this year and you didn't really address everything that you needed. All right, and that's it. That's about all the draft talk we have. I know we're going to talk about it a little bit more. I want to get Jake on to be able to defend his Browns and how they drafted here. Maybe, if not this week, maybe next week, so, but again, we talked about all the draft stuff we wanted to talk about. Again, we'll be doing more and more throughout this off season where we'll just kind of bring some things up see how it goes.
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