JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Festive Football Frenzy: CFP Quarterfinal Breakdown and NFL Playoff Push
Ready to unravel the electrifying stories from the gridiron that you didn't even know you needed? Get set for a touchdown of insights as we dive into the captivating world of college football and the NFL during the festive season. From the NFL's dominance in holiday viewership, surpassing even the NBA, to the seamless streaming magic on Netflix accompanying a new season of Squid Game, we've got your holiday sports fix covered. We'll question the playoff criteria, debate the merits of automatic byes and undefeated records, and ponder the "what ifs" of college football playoffs—could Alabama or Ole Miss have shifted the dynamics?
Fasten your seatbelts for an in-depth examination of college football's bowl games, as we uncover the strategies and star players set to shine. Penn State's battle with Boise State takes center stage, with defensive strategies, star running backs, and the potential impact of coaching consistency under the microscope. Can Penn State neutralize Boise State's offensive threats and emerge victorious? And don't miss our analysis of the Texas vs. Arizona State Chick-fil-A Bowl, promising to keep the adrenaline high with thrilling gameplay predictions.
The NFL discussions are as strategic as a game-winning play. Whether it's the potential edge of the Chargers over the Patriots or the Bengals' offensive threat to the Broncos, each matchup is dissected with precision. Our take on the Cardinals vs. Rams showdown questions leadership while acknowledging playoff motivations. We'll also tackle the Steelers' defensive hurdles against the Chiefs and the Texans' offensive woes, drawing parallels to league-wide challenges. This episode promises to keep football fans on the edge of their seats with a narrative rich in analysis, predictions, and the unyielding spirit of the game.
welcome back to the podcast. It's friday, december 27th. We're back from the podcast. We back.
Speaker 2:It's uh, what is it? Friday friday, it is friday 27th. We're close after christmas, so if you didn't listen to the last broadcast, Merry Christmas, we got New Year's. Next week we have Coswell playoff games next week, More NFL games Saturday, Actually all this week. Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday NFL really is taking over, Like you know, just real quick before we start getting anything. You know the NFL had like 30 million viewers or something like that during Christmas Day and they like destroyed the NBA games Not surprising.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's like. This is like the first time the NFL has really gotten into playing. Actually, no, sorry, second time Because they did the thing that Chiefs played on Christmas last year and those games are on Netflix too, and to be I to give netflix their credit after I watched the jake paul uh tyson fight where it was like issues and like buffering and all that.
Speaker 2:Nothing, so much better. Nothing would like that happen during the netflix games. I almost I almost honestly looking back I wish it would have happened, because I didn't want to see the massacre that happened, um, especially for my team that day.
Speaker 2:But yeah it was absolutely honestly, both games were a massacre on third, on Wednesday. So but yeah, we'll get to that. But I just want to like it was. It went off without a hitch. The they were very clear, didn't have any of the buffering issues. So give Netflix a lot of credit. Actually they're having a great week because they had all those and then they had freaking squid games come out that literally the day after christmas, so like it's a huge week for them. So if anybody that didn't have netflix by any means either got it for the nfl games or got it to watch squid game season two, so and by the way, if anybody's watching that that show is absolutely amazing does not suffer from the second, from like any type of second movie or second season uh terribleness.
Speaker 2:It is absolutely monster and Jace doesn't watch it. So no reason to have a real conversation on that, because Jace doesn't watch real people shows, only animated. But no, it's awesome. So if you haven't watched it, give it a try. Definitely a fun watch. Scary watch, at times Emotional, but very good watch.
Speaker 2:Alright, jace, you weren't on the podcast last time, so I wanted to first off set you up by giving you an opportunity, because you didn't get a chance to talk about any of the college football games that happened in the first round of the playoff. Not that there was a ton to talk about, I still managed to talk about it for close to an hour. So, um, again, that's me, you're you. So do you have any overarching thoughts about the first round of the playoff to be expected, to be expected okay? Can I ask you a question? Do you think those games would have gone much different if bama and old miss were in instead? Let's just say in the, in this case that let's say Bama got in instead of what? Would that be Indiana? So we're looking at Indiana and SMU. Were the like the two. So Bama and Notre Dame. We're looking at like, maybe Ole Miss, ole Miss and Penn State. Maybe the Penn State game could have gone differently, but again, ole Miss would have had to play in the cold. Um, bama would have played against Notre Dame in in the freight, crazy, cold, notre Dame too. So you would have had two southern teams coming up or out, or South Carolina, if you want to include them.
Speaker 2:Do you think those games would have gone much differently? I don't think it would have been as necessarily as much to blow it as they probably were. But would it have been a? I don't know, because the overarching thing was a lot of people were talking about how probably SMU and Indiana didn't deserve to be in the playoff. You know, what's funny is that nobody was talking about Tennessee, like nobody was having that argument about Tennessee not deserving to be in the play playoff, even though they got blown out the worst out of all the teams, but it's. But nobody. But everybody kept the kind of conversation was to those two SMU in Indiana.
Speaker 2:But the thing is is that I don't think those other teams would have gone much better. So so you don't. So you think the games would do you think either one of those games could have been more competitive with a different team in there? No, I think Bama versus potentially like a Notre Dame would potentially be a lot more competitive, but again, just like Bama, would have to deal with the cold. I don't know. But here's my next question to you, sir In your ideal, if you had a perfect world, what would be your perfect idea for the playoff? Do you want it to be the 12 best teams, or do you want it to be the 12 most deserving teams? Or do you have to put, if you put it on a scale, I think the automatic buy bullshit's stupid.
Speaker 2:That's stupid. Yes, we both agree on that.
Speaker 1:There's no reason I'd rather have it be the 12 best teams, so you don't want to be most deserving. No.
Speaker 2:So you don't care what happens during the regular season. The 12 best teams get in, no matter what they did during the season. I think it should be more of a proper mix. Me too. Boise being undefeated.
Speaker 1:Boise, they had one loss, but still there's not many one-loss teams, true, so them getting in, oh.
Speaker 2:Boise would have been. Nobody questioned Boise because they won their conference and they're in, but they shouldn't be an automatic buy, oh.
Speaker 1:I agree. I think a one-loss team should be considered always. If you're a one-loss, always considered Okay, you are undefeated with a good schedule, guaranteed, guaranteed. If you are undefeated with a Florida State schedule, then we can question you.
Speaker 2:Florida State played fucking nobody all year and every game they played was close as fuck and they were blowing some teams out, but again Some teams, but those weren't the teams that were in their conference.
Speaker 2:That one I'm totally not going to. Florida State fans do have a beef Because they used. The reason for not letting them in the playoff was their quarterback, even though they deserved it wholeheartedly. They finished it from start to finish. Florida State did the job right. Whether you want to believe that they'd be a good team in the playoff or not, they did what teams should set out to do when you start the season Go undefeated, win your conference. They deserved potentially to be in. Honestly, at the time I wasn't mad about Florida State at all because I truly thought that Florida State wasn't that. I didn't think Florida State was good enough to be in the playoff, but I just again, I would. I I do have to understand that they that, yeah, like you said, doesn't have to be a kind of a good mix between the two. I want it to be the 12 best teams amongst the teams. That does that did the job throughout the season right.
Speaker 2:Bama lost three times to bad teams. They lost to bad teams two bad teams I get. One of their losses was to Tennessee, but even Tennessee didn't make any fight against Ohio State in the playoff. So it's really you can question how great Tennessee truly is, even though I do think Tennessee is really actually a good team. I just think they just weren't ready for what Ohio State in the playoff. So it's really you can question how great Tennessee truly is, even though I do think Tennessee is a really actually a good team. I just think they just weren't ready for what Ohio State had coming for them. But again they. They had two really bad losses to Vanderbilt and to whoever else. They lost to Vanderbilt and Oklahoma Like freaking. So they had their losses, they had their. You have 12 opportunities throughout the season to put up a good resume, to be in the spot where they could consider you one of the 12 best teams.
Speaker 2:I just think that that whole argument is stupid. The Kirk Herbstreet part of it where he was talking about you should worry about what is your best wins. That should be what matters. The losses should matter too. Who you lost to should also matter. Maybe not the numbers, like. Obviously the number of losses shouldn't matter as much as the who you lost to and bama and south carolina and freaking old miss lost to very bad teams. And when you consider that against indiana who their only loss was to ohio state at the time, and when you consider smu, their only loss was to Ohio State at the time. And when you consider SMU, their only loss was to. I forget who they lost to, but it doesn't really matter. But I just think that it's a very hard thing to deal with. Okay, so that's it for the first round. You don't really have any other thoughts on that. You just they were blowouts. It is what it is.
Speaker 2:So for now we have to talk about the second round, because I think, with the way our schedule is going to be, I'm probably going to do a reaction pod to this weekend's games on probably Monday or Tuesday, and then probably give Jace a break and then not have to have him come, and then he'll come in later on next week to do the preview of the week 17 games before we end up going to the Steelers game. Who knows when that's going to be, because sometime on Sunday hopefully, but yeah, so that'll be it. So I want to give you an opportunity to talk about the second round of the playoff games, which should tend to be much better. So we'll talk about the games as they are going to come up. So New Year's Eve, penn State's going to play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. I think that's in Arizona, if you had to guess, do you have any prevailing thoughts on how you think that game is going to go? And winner is probably the two questions I probably need you to answer if we're doing a podcast about sports.
Speaker 1:I think Penn State loses that game. I think they lose it after getting a lead and I think Boise does win that game by like three 17-3 is the score of that game.
Speaker 2:I'm just worried about the idea that Boise State their best player is Ashton Gentry. No questions asked, he's the best player on the team. I think Penn State's whole defensive philosophy will be to load the box as much as possible and dare Boise State to throw the football Again? Will Boise State want to go out and throw the football 30, 40 times? I don't think they want to. I think obviously they want to get the ball to Jenty, their best player. But I also think from who they played all year outside of Oregon, who they faced and got in loss to early on in the season, that game went down to the wire. So it wasn't like Boise State got destroyed by Oregon. So they know how to play tough teams like this. But I just don't know with this Penn State defensive line, if Penn State puts all their resources towards that and asks the Boise State quarterback to make some throws, will they be able to? That's the question. Because obviously once you if Boise State, I forget the quarterback's name, let me make sure I get the guy's name before I keep talking about him Madsen, mad, madsen, madden, madsen, I believe his name is. So he has like 2000 yards passing, 22 touchdowns, three picks. So if he makes some big throws down the field it'll make the secondary have to respect him a little bit more and then it'll light up. Lighten up the box for gentee to kind of do more of his work, even though every team they've played this year has known that Gentee is the motor of the offense. They've been throwing more guys in the box and it doesn't matter to him because he's pretty much destroyed everybody. Heck, I think even Oregon they had actually a pretty decent game. So it's not like they haven't played great teams like that and still been able to run the football. But I just think with Penn State, the way that defense is built up, I do question that a little bit and I think that Boise State's passing defense probably won't be as good. But again, penn State's passing offense isn't great. So who knows, and I think Boise State's probably their rushing defense is probably the better part of their defense. But then you have to worry about the two-headed monster they have at running back, with Singleton and the other running back.
Speaker 2:I forget his, why am I forgetting his name, singleton? And it doesn't really matter. But yeah, they have a two-headed running back system. That is also great. So literally kind of like Ohio State, where they have two guys. As soon as you think one of them's getting tired, they just bring in the other one, and he's a bowling ball too. So I'm probably going to pick Penn State to win this game, and I think my whole thing was with even though I do not trust their head coach. Why am I forgetting his name now? This is a bad time for Penn State. I'm forgetting his name now. You don't remember his name either, do you? This is a bad time for both of us to forget his name. Hold on, let me get his name Just a second. This sucks that I forgot his name. I talk trash about him all the time. But yeah.
Speaker 2:I just oh uh, yeah, this is a bad time to forget his name.
Speaker 1:Fuck, all I can think of is lincoln riley. Um, I'm completely shorting out. I don't know james franklin.
Speaker 2:It's the most regular name of all time, even though he's black. It's hilarious, um, but yes, james franklin, even even though we've questioned all year long and I think when we did our confidence rankings as to who we thought we had the most confidence in college football-wise to actually win the whole playoff, I think both of us had our issues with James Franklin in close games. Is he going to be able to buck up in those big situations to make the right calls to win those type of games? And obviously in the first game against SMU, it didn't matter the, they just destroyed, they rolled SMU. There really was no shot.
Speaker 2:I think this game could be closer to where maybe James Franklin would be more of an opportunity. He'd have more of an opportunity to either win or mess up the game in a way that we thought he usually does throughout his coaching career, especially while he was. He's been there. But I just think their defense and here's I think the problem is with Penn State's offense. Even though they rolled against SMU, it wasn't like their offense was amazing. They didn't pass the ball that well. It's not like Drew Aller has made some plays, like he has some wow throws, especially in the SMU game where he was extending plays doing all heck in the organ game, I think is probably his best game at penn state. Extending plays running when he needs to, like he, he can have some wow moments, but he's not ever consistent throughout a good period of time to where you can just guarantee he's gonna. You're gonna get that out of him right, few and far between moments exactly. So I'm going to pick penn state to win the game. I think they're favored by 11 and a half they're they're favored by 11. So I, if I was betting the game, I'd probably bet boise state plus the points, because I do think boise state can keep it within, especially if boise is able to run the football at all.
Speaker 2:I think this game could definitely come down to the final, final moments and actually pretty close. But I think penn, think Penn State's going to win the game. That's where I'm at, especially since the bowl's in Fiesta. Well, I think it's in Arizona, so it's definitely nowhere near where you're going to think like either team's going to have a decided advantage when it comes to fandom. Like I think Penn State fans are going to travel pretty well and Boise's probably closer to Arizona than Penn State is. But again, who knows? So that's what we got on that Next game this is going to be New Year's Day Chick-fil-A Bowl, texas going to Arizona State. The Peach Bowl is in. I think the Peach Bowl is in Georgia.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh yeah, it's the Peach Bowl, Because I was thinking the Sugar Bowl too. I think the Sugar Bowl is in Georgia, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So what two places do they play them in then? Because I know the Peach Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, has done it in probably the Falcon Stadium. That's in Atlanta. Where is the Peach Bowl at? I have no idea. Are they both in the Falcon Stadium? Probably's in Atlanta? Where is the Peach Bowl at? I have no idea. Are they both in the Falcon Stadium?
Speaker 1:Probably somewhere in fucking Peaches, I don't know.
Speaker 2:That could be Florida.
Speaker 1:Nigga. Florida is oranges. Florida is the Tropicana Bowl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah, but they sell tropical fruit. Oranges are tropical, oranges are tropical nigga.
Speaker 1:No, the fuck, they aren't no, oranges are tropical.
Speaker 2:We were talking about peaches. Peaches are not tropical. I was talking about a peach when I said orange is peach bowl in Texas. I have no idea. Texas is a 13.5 point favorite.
Speaker 1:I think this game could be a rout. Oranges are not tropical Oranges are not tropical. Oranges have grown in California for many years Because they were grown everywhere. They were grown in North America and they were grown further up and they were grown in California back in the mid-1100s.
Speaker 2:Well, there we go. Got an answer on that. Can't say you don't learn anything if you come to our podcast people.
Speaker 1:You can't say you don't learn anything no more shit, fuck me.
Speaker 2:All right, texas, arizona State. How do you see the game going? Texas, arizona, texas, arizona State.
Speaker 1:Yes, Texas is going to put Arizona in a pack.
Speaker 2:Texas ran for 300 yards against Clemson last week.
Speaker 1:God damn.
Speaker 2:They destroyed them. I think Arizona's defensive line is probably better than their secondary is. It doesn't matter. Well, the thing is is that if that's the case, if it's going to be harder for Texas and Texas did that, I believe, without their two starting tackles, I think they're hurt two starting tackles, I think, for the rest of the playoff potentially. So they're going to. Even with their backups, they still destroyed Clemson running the football.
Speaker 2:If Arizona State can pose any better of a matchup problem against Texas running the football, it puts more pressure on Quinn Ewers to go out there and make plays and obviously I'm not sure if you watched a lot of Quinn Ewers this year he hasn't been crazy good. I think his last crazy game was probably against Michigan. But ever since then, ever since the oblique injury and then the ankle injury, I think he was a little better last week when it came to him moving around the pocket, but it's not like he's been amazing. He honestly regressed a little bit, honestly, from what he was supposed to be when he came out of high school. So it honestly seems like at some points they're coaching around Quinn Ewers rather than actually relying on him to really win them football games, hence why they ran the ball so much and barely he barely had to pass the ball. Last game again, it works. So I'm not gonna sit here and say that they were going to run the football no matter what.
Speaker 2:But if Arizona State can have any sort of fight that way, maybe the game could be a lot closer. But I don't know, I think. I think this game could definitely a rout. I think this game, I think Texas really does, especially since this game is going to be in the south anyway. So Texas is really going to have a real. Their fans are going to show out. They're probably going to take over whatever stadium that they're in and I think Texas is going to be like a home crowd for them. And I think Arizona State's offense has not dealt with a team like Texas' defense in a minute, even though I think because Cam Scadaboo, I believe, is the running back's name for Arizona State he's like their best player. Texas defensive line is scary.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:That's the scariest part of their defense. If you can throw the football against Texas, you're going to be able to do crazy numbers, because Clemson threw the ball for over 300 yards against them and Clemson has struggled throwing the football all year against teams that are of their same talent. So, with that being the case, if Arizona State could throw the football well, I think they would have a better shot. But I just think their offense is way too predicated on the run and Texas' defensive line is going to be able to control this football game and I think Texas is going to win the football game. If not, blow them the straight out, I think it might take Texas and the points. Sorry, my mouth was not moving fast enough for my brain. That happens sometimes, especially when you're on a podcast, so that's where I'm at with that game. I honestly think you're thinking the same exact thing. Next game. This game will probably be the game of the day, to be totally honest with you. Rose Bowl California.
Speaker 1:This is New Year's Day, 5 o'clock. I'm not going to lie to you. This decides the championship.
Speaker 2:This is it who wins the National New Year's Day.
Speaker 1:Yeah 5 o'clock. You're lucky, it's not at 12. Why, my bad. You're lucky, it's not A late game.
Speaker 2:Oh, on New Year's Eve. Yeah, oh, yeah, I don't have to go through that again. That's going to be Boise State and Penn State. No, it's not going to ruin my potential New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1:You ruined mine oh shut up.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to keep going through this with you Again. That night was worse for me than it was for you. Nah, no, not nah. That's really pretty much the case. Nah. That night was definitely worse for me, because not only did I watch my team lose in a heartbreaking fashion, I then had to fight with you while doing it, because you wanted to change the channel to watch the ball drop. And I'm like, no, it's my team on the line, my team's heart, my pride, everything on the line here. I need to see this.
Speaker 1:And I'm still sold.
Speaker 2:Yep, yes, that's why it's more hurtful for me than it is for you. You're making my point for me. Thank you. Ohio State Oregon Ohio State's actually a two and a half point favorite in this game. Again, oregon barely beat us last time in their home field by one point On their home stadium. By a point, if you guys lose this game again.
Speaker 1:I see this game going. If you lose this game again, is Ryan Day cooked.
Speaker 2:No, I think his. I think he makes another year. Oh, his year is. I think he has another year for sure. No question, I agree, I think he was probably going to have it either way. But I think the outside chance of him us getting destroyed by Tennessee would have been the final nail in the coffin. Like there's nothing any even even Ryan Day could treat like believers would be able to say about that. Now that you made it second, I think he's fine, but the fact that they destroyed Tennessee the way they did he's it wasn't even close like it was a. It was a splattering orange juice everywhere. So, with that being the case, he has another year. So I don't think Ryan Day is going to have the pressure of coaching for his job in this game, but I do think that with Ohio State beating Tennessee the way they did last game, I do think it opens.
Speaker 1:I think it gives him leeway.
Speaker 2:Not just leeway. I think it's giving him a new lease on life. Not just him. I think it's more about him than the team, but the whole team is a new lease on life.
Speaker 1:I, the team, but the whole team is a new lease on life. Like I agree. But my only thing is if you go out to eat, you're gonna get beat the fuck up by oregon.
Speaker 2:Well, that's not gonna happen. But if it does happen, he's cooked. No, I don't think so. I you think he's. I don't think he's fired at all, I think the.
Speaker 2:This seems in your conference I, I don't care, it doesn't, it doesn't? Oregon is the only team that was undefeated this year amongst all the teams. Do I think it'll cause a big issue again and fans will start calling for his head again? Yes, but do I think the administration at ohio state is going to pay the buyout to get him fired? When he just took us to the second round of the playoff and we had to play the best team, because of their stupid playoff system and the way they had the automatic buys, it was trash. In a normal playoff system. That makes sense. We wouldn't be playing oregon in the round. We wouldn't see them until the third at least, if not the championship game, because they're the one seed.
Speaker 2:Right. So in Oregon, and honestly, the other end, oregon, got screwed in this too. The fact that they had to play the second best team in the whole playoff, probably the first best. Ohio State's more talented than Oregon?
Speaker 1:I don't think anybody really questions that Haven't seen you beat them, so you were the second best. Until you can beat them.
Speaker 2:Fine, I'm talking about more talent. There is not any more talent team in this playoff than Ohio State, from top to bottom. So, like the fact that Oregon has to play a team like this in the second round screws them over too.
Speaker 1:No, we talked about this last podcast. Oregon was fucked.
Speaker 2:They got screwed. That was fucked up.
Speaker 1:No matter who you play it hard fucking game for you, which is why this game is for the championship pretty much, and you're looking over at. Penn State and they're playing Arizona State. It's like whoa.
Speaker 2:Penn State's playing Boise and Texas is playing Arizona State, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's like dude, come on, swap them in Penn State, yeah, or swap them in Texas.
Speaker 2:How does Penn State have the first two games of being Ohio State? No for sure. So I don't think Dave's coaching for his job. I don't think Ohio State gets destroyed by Oregon. We can lose to Oregon. I totally think that is definitely a possibility. But I do think the fact that they barely beat us at probably a worse version of us than what they were, because our defense is so much better now than what it was against Oregon last time.
Speaker 2:I agree Our defense gets a lot more pressure onto the quarterback. Our corners are playing better because they don't have to guard, they don't have to play Again. Playing corners is probably the hardest position on the football field because you have to cover somebody that knows what they're doing at all times and you have to be as athletic as them and you have to react to everything that they do. And it makes your job harder when you have to cover a wide receiver for three seconds, four seconds, five seconds Like that is that's what makes the job hard. But when you, if your defensive line can actually get pressure and you, oh, oh, let's just say you don't have to blitz the safeties, the safeties actually stay back and kind of help to make sure the deep balls don't get over the top of you.
Speaker 1:They can play safety.
Speaker 2:They can actually play safety, play deep safety and and actually help be that last stand before the end zone if a big play happens. So the fact that all that is the case, I think the Ohio State defense is a lot better now at getting pressure without having to send safeties. They can keep the front seven to stay the front seven and the back and the secondary can stay the secondary and make sure you're not having big plays over top. So I don't think Oregon has had to face this version of the Ohio State defense and I think the Ohio State offense. If they play like they did against Tennessee against Oregon, I don't think Oregon beats us because our offense wasn't nearly that good against Oregon last time. And Jeremiah Smith as much as I've been saying Jeremiah Smith is the truth all year that game against Tennessee, there was nobody in the world that had a shot to stop Jeremiah Smith from doing what he did that last game against Tennessee. There was nobody in the world that had a shot to stop Jeremiah Smith from doing what he did that last game against Tennessee. You can put it in any corner that you want in college football. It wasn't going to happen. So do I think Oregon has a corner that can stop Jeremiah Smith from doing what he wants to do. They don't. All it takes for Ryan Day and Chip Kelly to say, hey, we probably should throw that guy the ball more which is exactly what they did and he's going to eat. There is no stopping him. And guess what? You still have Emeka and you still have Carnell Tate as well that you have to deal with, and our offensive line seems to actually be able to block. They actually blocked against Tennessee last game.
Speaker 2:So I think again, oregon is a different monster because I think their defensive line is much better. But I think that the Ohio State offensive line will not be totally destroyed by Oregon's defensive line. So as long as that's the case, the towel on the outside and heck. Let's not even mention Travion and Quinshawn. Those two are monsters too, and they actually throw them the football in space. Hey, go out on a route you can actually go catch the football. We'll use you too. That's another guy that the Oregon defense is going to have to worry about getting out on the edge and running past you. If Travion that extra gear that he had against Tennessee when he was running, it was like the rest of Tennessee defense was in slow motion. That's how much faster he was than everybody on that Tennessee team. Again, maybe the cold had something to do with it as well, but again it was like he was on fast forward in comparison to everybody else.
Speaker 2:And I just think, with all that being the case, I think Ohio State can definitely win this game. I'm going to pick them to win this game and I think that the spread is two and a half. I already bet Ohio State with the two and a half. I think that's one point. The spread was one and a half. I wish I would have gotten that spread, but two and a half fine, cool. It's a field goal. So I do think Ohio State can beat them in Pasadena, california, where I do think Ohio State fans know how to travel there. They do it plenty with the Rose Bowl and all that. So I think we're going to have plenty of fan support there.
Speaker 2:I think our coaches and players are going to be in the right state of mind and I think they're going to go out there and get the job done. That's what I think. I think that they're going to get the job done because I think that as long as they're not playing the Michigan helmets and those colors. I think Ryan Day is one of the best coaches in college football. It sucks that.
Speaker 2:It's a truth that when he is playing Michigan he turns into a shell of himself. But it's just the truth. That is what it is right now. He at one point he will get over that hump and I think he'll get next year as an opportunity to do so. But I just think that, as long as he's not playing that Michigan team, he is a different coach and he coaches like it, and I think our team is at a different place right now because of it. And as long as Chip Kelly and Ryan Day don't mess this up, I do think that Ohio State should be able to win this game. Now it's your turn to make a choice. What do you think? Do you think Oregon's going to win? I think obviously you want to root for my destruction.
Speaker 1:So, even if you didn't believe it, you'd probably think of them.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see it to believe it, but you saw against Tennessee. So what do you think changes? Oregon.
Speaker 1:You didn't beat them.
Speaker 2:By one point in their house. So you don't think it evens up the score that we're not playing in Oregon's stadium.
Speaker 1:Oregon's closer to California than Ohio is right.
Speaker 2:Ohio State fans travel to California quite well, and I think and it's in Pasadena, which is pretty close to LA right. So that's a pretty decent drive for Oregon fans too. It's not necessarily just a hop skip and a jump, that's because they didn't believe it.
Speaker 1:All right, fine. I've watched that team make the same mistakes over and over again. Same way, like going into next year, I'm not going to pick you to beat Michigan, Regardless, I can't.
Speaker 2:Again, I totally— so I've got to say it to believe it.
Speaker 1:If you can beat Oregon, I believe you can. I do, but I also believe Oregon can beat you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure I'm not sitting here saying Oregon has no shot.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't say it's a coin flip, it's going to be the best game no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Actually, I actually agree with that. I think Texas is not that good. I think their offensive issues kind of keep them as a step behind those two teams. I agree Georgia is in close.
Speaker 1:Their quarterback's out Carson Beck he's done it for the season. Everybody else is there, but they're not a part of those two. So this is going to be the last good game, but I believe it is a 60-40, and I do believe that Ohio State has a better shot. But I also believe Ohio State loves tripping on itself. All year I've watched it trip on itself, trip on itself play a terrible fucking first half. Play a terrible second half. Games too close to a team they should have blown out.
Speaker 2:For sure no, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:I've seen those mistakes out of the 12 games you've played. I've seen those mistakes lose you games in two, only two. And I've seen those mistakes get you damn close for no reason. Closer than it should be, way closer than it should be. You should be beating these teams by 50. Yeah I, closer than it should be Way closer than it should be. You should be beating these teams by 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what, I think it was fucking Akron.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't Akron, it was Nebraska. But, Nebraska was the game we. We were way too close for no reason. I don't know why it was like that.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at the third quarter and I'm like why is it 7-14? Yeah Well what do we do? Yeah, so many teams this year that were too close for too long, and it's just I think.
Speaker 2:But again, I think what makes a lot of ohio state fans mad is that they waited until hey, we played against tennessee. And then you see a full. I think that is a full version of what ohio state is.
Speaker 1:I completely agree, and that's why what makes them mad? Give you the faith, because I've only seen you do it truly once okay, that's fine, or the other time where, other time where you were play for play.
Speaker 2:For sure, again, we did play them, play for play, last time against Oregon, and that's what I said you play for play.
Speaker 1:You play them, play for play, but you lost the game.
Speaker 2:No for sure.
Speaker 1:And then Oregon proceeded to blow out a bunch of teams. They blew out a couple teams. They blew out a couple teams, they blew out.
Speaker 2:A couple teams, yes, but not everybody.
Speaker 1:I have not seen Ohio State blow out anybody besides Texas, tennessee, tennessee, yes, the only team I've seen who blew out Oregon won the games they were supposed to win by a lot, by a lot. Ohio State made them too close. Well, howard has a bunch of fucking whoopsie plays that I can't give the benefit of the doubt, okay, but I truly believe 60-40.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm not mad about anything you're saying. No, I know.
Speaker 1:I'm just, I'm explaining what I'm thinking. I personally, I like singing to believe it, uh, uh, and I'm going to give Oregon the edge because I've seen, I know Oregon is able to win this game. I know that Oregon is going to be able to start off better.
Speaker 2:I actually don't believe that they're two weeks off. They haven't played in three weeks and that does hurt but sometimes that does help.
Speaker 1:Right. Ohio State has been a very slow start team this year, other than Tennessee, yes, other than Tennessee, and when Oregon has a much better defense than Tennessee does. Now your receivers are otherworldly.
Speaker 2:When they keep those guys involved, there's nobody in this country that can stop them.
Speaker 1:But for some reason in larger games like this, ryan Day's like I gotta run.
Speaker 2:Other than Tennessee. Yes, and it works Again that's what makes it so bad is that all these things were true until they faced Tennessee and the whole script flipped. I agree, Everything was different about it. So it's almost like because— but one game's a coincidence.
Speaker 1:Two is a pattern.
Speaker 2:For sure. Okay, I can see why you would think that. For sure, Like believe me.
Speaker 1:I've watched the Bengals defense play elite fucking defense against the Browns. They're still ass, they don't change that. They're still shitty. Okay, but they did it that one time. Right Ohio State sealed the deal. I believe that game was supposed to be like that and it was like that and I handled business like nothing. Like nothing. Right. I think that could happen against Oregon. It's less likely.
Speaker 2:I think Oregon obviously put up a much better fight For sure I'm going to give Oregon the edge that's fine If you had to give a score prediction. Honestly, we probably should have done it for the last game too, but the last two games Score prediction. I think for Ohio State it's going to be another first to 30 type of game.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be 38. 38-31.
Speaker 1:38-31 Ohio State. 30-27 Oregon. I don't think Oregon can beat you. I don't think Oregon can beat you by more than the field goal.
Speaker 2:I believe that Ohio State can beat Oregon by at least two touchdowns Okay, so if there was a team that gets blown out in this game Ohio, State has it.
Speaker 1:Oregon's the one that gets blown out.
Speaker 2:Oregon has a better chance of getting blown out in this game.
Speaker 1:Ohio state has it, oregon's the one that gets blown out. Oregon has a better chance. Okay, that's, that is what I was trying to convey, right, if there is the way oregon wins this game by keeping it real close and trying to keep everybody under wraps yeah, by making will howard make the mistakes. That's how they win this game. But if ohio state takes control of this game really fast it's it could truly just become a bludgeoning. It could become another Tennessee game, just like that end of the first quarter, if they let Jeremiah Smith eat like that, which was the problem last time, dude had no catches, and every time he caught that fucking ball he was gone.
Speaker 1:Well, or?
Speaker 2:Oregon, he did. But again, I think it's funny because they're facing a different Jeremiah Smith now, yes, than what they faced last time, a more experienced one. He's had a lot more games under his belt now I think it's just if Oregon gets control.
Speaker 1:It is a hard-fought battle that Oregon wins in the trenches. They win it in the trenches. When you're on offense, there in defense, they win it. Then they just make check down, check down, check down, check down Big play.
Speaker 2:I think last time they beat us with big plays. I don't think that's going to happen again. We had talked about it.
Speaker 1:I had not seen him throw the ball downfield all year Against Michigan State. He was trying to throw the ball in the end zone. It looked like it was hard.
Speaker 2:And then against Ohio State.
Speaker 1:it flipped Big plays all down the field, throwing them everywhere, which is why I think Oregon, if Oregon is on top, they only win by three. I think Ohio State can win this game in so many ways and by so many points, but I just got to see it to believe it.
Speaker 2:Okay, but I believe it can happen.
Speaker 1:I'm not counting Ohio State out. I truly 60-40,. Ohio State probably wins this game, but I have to go with what I know and what I've seen.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, I can respect that for sure. Last but not least, this will be the last game on Christmas.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I had to give an analytical view. I'm not just picking Oregon to pick because I don't like Ohio State. I'm picking Oregon because of how I have viewed each team over the years.
Speaker 2:That's reasonable. If anybody's picking Oregon to win the game, I can't look at them and be like you're stupid. Like I think to a certain extent when I saw people that were picking Tennessee to really win that game. It's crazy. The only reason that people had a true reason to think was that they thought that Ryan Day and Ohio State wouldn't get off the mat and come to play the game. Because I do think that everybody like truly believe that if Ohio State brings their full game, that Ohio State should beat Tennessee because Ohio State's a better team than them. But if I looked at anybody and they were like, oh, I'm not sure if Ryan Day can pull this off and bring the team back again from how bad they look against Michigan, I can't look at you and say you're crazy because again, it looks so bad against Michigan. I can't fight that. But now that I think that Ohio State is playing Oregon, if anybody's sitting there saying Oregon should destroy Ohio State, that's where I'm like, okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:But if anybody picks Oregon to win that game, I'm not sitting here saying you're crazy, because Oregon is a good team. They have done it all year long. They have played good offense. Their defense isn't as crazy good as I thought it'd be because they let Penn State run on them like crazy. Like Penn State was very effective against them for not really much, for great reasons, like Penn State's the best team out there. Again, penn State's in the playoff. They have a good team. But again, the fact that Penn State was so effective was wild.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at least being in the playoff don't mean much.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean as much now, based on how bad it was.
Speaker 1:We saw four fucking blowouts.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:So, with that being the case, up winning it fine, but nobody should tell me that Oregon is going to blow out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2:One difference between the NFL playoff and the college football playoff. You will not see this many blowouts in the NFL playoff. Let me think no, you definitely can.
Speaker 1:You can but for. Yeah, but I think the talent differential is not as, yeah, the talent's more spread out. But that's what I'm saying Because of the rules of the salary cap and all of that in a way that in college football you can have Ohio State, we can see a wild card winner go win the Super Bowl. We're not going to see that. We may see that once every 15 years.
Speaker 2:It's not going to be that much. There's a reason why upsets are so big in college football Because they the reason why upsets are so big in college football?
Speaker 1:Because it don't happen. Because it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2:It's not supposed to happen. The haves and the have-nots is such a wide margin. That's why blowouts are such a huge deal, that's why there's field rush, that's why there's field stormings. When it happens in the NFL and a team is favored to win by seven and a half points and they lose, they're like oh, that other team actually has some talent too, that can happen right.
Speaker 1:There's more paths to the Super Bowl in the NFL. There's many more paths. A team can just get hot.
Speaker 2:True, but I think the rules are more defined though, too. I think the rules are when you're division, you get an automatic bid. If not, you have to have a good enough record for one of the wild card spots. There is no subjectivity to it. It is, this is the rules, this is it, and a lot of the reasons people have problems with the college football stuff is that it's very subjective.
Speaker 2:We have a room of 12 people in there making a decision, and they don't necessarily have a set criteria to follow. It looks like they change their answers every week, and that's the part of the problem is that they have a show every week for the last like seven, like six, seven weeks of the season, saying that they have to reiterate why they're ranking things the way they do. If they would just not have that type that show all year and just have a ranking at the end, it's more succinct. There is no questioning, but the fact they have so much evidence out there as to what their rankings are, and it changes from week to week, people start having evidence to start questioning them, and that's why it's such a big issue. Now, nfl, it's not that big deal. It's this, this. There's rules that are set. If you follow them, you get to the playoffs and you have a shot. If not, you're out and you're waiting for next season.
Speaker 1:Then I think there's more play in the nfl. We talked about this before and and I said I was excited about the 12-team playoff. I am starting to realize this is going to be really fucking boring and I'm just going to watch the same.
Speaker 2:I've been telling you that.
Speaker 1:I'm going to proceed to watch the same four fucking teams. I would have watched, if we stayed a 14 playoff and I'm just sitting here like this is fucking stupid and you's going to be receiving one of those blowouts at some point.
Speaker 2:I think Michigan State's going to be closer to being in the halves once they start doing the salary cap stuff, where you only can play players a certain amount. Nil's always going to be a thing. So for the top-tier players, NIL's always going to be a thing.
Speaker 1:I think the $13 million we paid Aiden Childs should be revoked because he threw more interceptions than we paid him millions in.
Speaker 2:I don't think he paid him $13 million, I think it was like four.
Speaker 1:Dude, no, he was the highest quarterback in the transfer portal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they didn't give him $13 million.
Speaker 1:He didn't want to come to Michigan State.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they gave the Michigan. The Michigan gave their court of that court, the high school kid $13 million and everybody's like, oh, that's crazy. So I don't think they gave him $13 million.
Speaker 3:No, I think it was like $8 million, Something like that probably.
Speaker 1:But 22. He had 19 straight up interceptions and five fumbles.
Speaker 2:No, it's not a good look.
Speaker 1:What the fuck did you do it? And five fumbles? No, it's not a good look. What the fuck did you do?
Speaker 2:It wasn't throw touchdowns. Hopefully. You have two more years of him. Two more years of him getting better, hopefully. Last but not least, georgia-notre Dame Sugar Bowl in Atlanta. This is probably a home game. For Georgia. This is probably the most home game of all of them. Georgia will not have their quarterback, carson Beck. He's done for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1:That's where I am iffy right, because with him they kill Notre Dame. He's not good.
Speaker 2:Honestly, carson Beck hasn't been good all year. He throws a lot of picks. I think with him he's a very turnover-prone guy. Everybody was looking at him as potentially a top-five pick coming into the season. He's kind of played his way out of that.
Speaker 2:My question is which Georgia defense shows up to this game? If it's the Georgia defense that played Texas twice and destroyed them, I feel like Notre Dame may get shut out. This game ended up being 14-0. The Georgia offense will be trash. Their offense will be terrible, so bad.
Speaker 2:The back of quarterback the fact that he's the way he played in that Texas game. He wasn't great either. He wasn't good when Carson Beck went out. So even with those three weeks of reps, do I think they have an offense that's going to come out here firing and blow Notre Dame out the water? I don't think so. But if you know, what's crazy is that this game was in the cold. If this was in Notre Dame and they had to play outside in the cold weather, I'd give Notre Dame a better chance, because I think Notre Dame and Georgia play very similarly. Notre Dame wants to run the football, have a good offensive line, defensive line, play very good defense and they want to stay away from third and long, because they don't trust their quarterback to really make a big play. That's Georgia. They both play the same way, but I think that the fact that this game will be indoors, temperature controlled- Georgia gets the edge.
Speaker 2:Georgia gets the edge because they have more talent on their team. There is no question about it. The question is, which defense shows up for Georgia? If the defense shows up for Georgia, this game could be a 14-0 type of game in Georgia. It looks like a bludgeoning while it's happening, even though it doesn't feel like it scoring-wise.
Speaker 1:I almost would have bet it has to right that defense is going to show up.
Speaker 2:There's a reason Georgia is only a two-point favorite. Two points is crazy. Two points is crazy. Not even a field goal covers that. They're only a two-point favorite.
Speaker 3:So these two teams are very similar the way they play.
Speaker 2:Safety.
Speaker 1:The safety screws the parlay. Yeah, that's crazy. Give me Georgia.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take Georgia because again they're playing George.
Speaker 1:I'm going to assume that defense. This again they're playing the Dorsh. I am going to assume that defense shows up.
Speaker 2:If they don't, this game could be crazy or boring. You know what's bad. I almost want Georgia to beat Notre Dame because of how annoying Notre Dame fans are, just in general about who they are, and all that Because Notre Dame fans are crazy. They're crazy people. Everybody talks about how bad are, and all that Because Notre Dame fans are crazy. They're crazy people. Everybody talks about how bad Ohio State fans are.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame is like Michigan fans on steroids Because as much as Michigan hasn't done anything until the playoff the playoff, obviously, the National Championship last year Notre Dame has done a tad bit more, but yet they still have that pompous attitude as in we're Notre Dame. They have the religious aspect behind them, they have the academic aspect behind them. So like they're even worse, like I said, they're Michigan fans of steroids. So if I wanted to say who I would prefer, I'd probably prefer Georgia to win the game. I'm going to take Georgia to win because I just believe probably just what Georgia is a little bit more, their talent is just a little bit more, even though Georgia. I don't think Georgia has a great offensive talent to really take advantage of anything. It's just I don't know. Between the two things. I'd take the thing I believe in more. I think Georgia has a little bit more of a ironclad recipe for success that I have seen in action, not the recipe that I saw lose to NIU earlier this year. They did lose to NIU.
Speaker 1:That shit's still crazy.
Speaker 2:They're a fucking Mac team, so that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1:Mac. They're a Mac team, a 7-5 Mac team. Did you watch the Pittsburgh-Toledo game?
Speaker 2:That game was like 5 over time, 6. 6 over time.
Speaker 1:Did you watch that? No, I did, I did.
Speaker 2:I saw the clips of it. It was an insane game.
Speaker 1:It was. I watched it at Roosters.
Speaker 2:Y'all actually were at Roosters.
Speaker 1:It was great.
Speaker 2:Probably a fun atmosphere.
Speaker 1:There's too many people talking about the Bengals. I couldn't focus.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see If I had to pick a score for this game. If Georgia's defense shows up, it's like a 14-0 type of 14, 17-0 type of route.
Speaker 1:They shut them out for sure, if.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame shows up I mean, if Georgia's defense doesn't show up, this game could be like a 21-17 type of game 17-14. But that game could be a sludge fest to a certain extent, Not necessarily because it's bad football, but because these two teams just want to bludgeon each other to death and have no other option outside of that.
Speaker 2:It's just two hammers hitting each other back to back to back to back. It is what it is. That's all I got. That's the college football playoff second round that we have. Let's go ahead and do the NFL stuff. Well, let's start by recapping all the games that already happened the two on Christmas and the Thursday night game that happened last night. We'll do the recap of that.
Speaker 1:So two bludgeonings and then some bullshit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chiefs, steelers. Chiefs won the game 29-10. The game wasn't close. We didn't have Joey Porter Jr. As much as you like to talk about how bad Joey Porter Jr is without him. Our secondary was cooked Like there was nobody being able to block anybody, like our secondary had no shot. What?
Speaker 1:does, minka do?
Speaker 2:Minka's a deep, he does everything, but they have him play closer to the line of scrimmage. I don't know, minka is a, but he's not a cover corner. He's not a cover safety. He's just kind of like the last line of defense type of safety. But it didn't matter. It wasn't like Kansas City was hitting a bunch of deep shots, it was a slow but certain progression down the field. You don't know how many times Kansas City went 4-on-4 down and the Steelers had no shot, because it was just a slow, methodical drive, not just running the football, they threw the football, they had short throws. They didn't really have a bunch of deep balls, but it was just. They just kept methodically going down the field and there was nothing the Steelers defense could do.
Speaker 1:It didn't help that Russ Wilson has been having stinkers of games, is having stinkers of games.
Speaker 2:Is Justin Fields still hurt? Yeah, he wasn't available in this last game. I think he was like an emergency third string quarterback. They needed him, but he was not ready to go by any means. It wasn't like Russell Wilson 23-37, 205 yards and an interception. He wasn't playing great. Again, you're playing against a good Kansas City defense. Their defense is good, I know, but he hasn't played great for 33 games and Pickens playing great. Again, you're playing. It's a good kansas city defense their defense is good.
Speaker 1:No, but he hasn't played great for three straight games and pickens came back for this game, but pickens didn't play all that great.
Speaker 2:Three receptions, 50 yards, quick pickens has a lot of almost nice catches yeah, but here's my thing is that a lot of his, a lot of his game is throw the deep ball to pickens. Hopefully he makes the catch like that is the offense, because as much as I think we have a more diverse running game in the way that we do things, there's a lot of a lot of misdirection and stuff like that and the way they do their blocking schemes, but the actual passing game is not but here's the thing it doesn't change.
Speaker 2:It doesn't help the fact that we only have it's only pickings but it's just van jefferson.
Speaker 1:Ain't bad.
Speaker 2:Bad yeah, but he can't separate from nobody. Calvin Austin can separate, but guess what? He's 5'9". He's not big, he's not getting any deep balls after anybody. They try to use Mike Williams to a certain extent, but he's not very, he's still not very effective. So like they have no other.
Speaker 2:Pat Firemouth was the leading receiver in this game, like he was eating in the middle of the field. Firemuth is the truth. He's awesome. Seven receptions, 60 yards and we ran the football effectively had over 200 yards rushing in this game. Um naji had 74 yards rushing, jaylen warren had 71 yards. Russell wilson ran for 55 yards in a touchdown this game. He looked like young russ for a minute he did, but it's just.
Speaker 2:We don't have enough weapons on our offense to like sustain long drives and really do it, especially against a team of Kansas City's caliber. And this is when I think having fields would potentially be an upgrade, because fields adds an element to the offense that I think when games like this happen there there's an unpredictability to it. I think Russell Wilson has been playing better when it comes to using his legs, but I just don't know. I think we need a spark and I'm like as much as Pickens is great, he's just not trustworthy and I'm like we have nobody else to make a big place for us if he's not doing it. And I just think this game was an antithesis to that. And I've been saying it all year no matter how good we do throughout the rest of the season, do I believe that in the playoffs against a team like Kansas City or like Buffalo, that we're going to be able to do anything special, like really do anything, like really do damage? That we're going to be able to do anything special, like really do anything, like really do damage? I don't think so. Anything anybody outside the ravens, obviously, because I think the steelers know how to play against the ravens is if they have everybody on their roster. So, like, that's, that's how I feel about that. So I'm again it just I wasn't surprised. I picked the steelers to win the game because I'm like I have to, but like I truly thought that this game could have went this way. It sucked that. It looked as bad as it did. The score wasn't as bad. If you just watch the scoreboard it wasn't terrible, but I think it was worse if you actually watched the game of how it almost felt. Like it was like a crying baby just sitting there flailing in the wind and Kansas City was just putting us in their lap and just saying, hey, well, we're going to rock you to sleep tonight on Christmas baby. That's how that game went and that part sucked.
Speaker 2:But Patrick Mahomes played well 29-38, 320-yard, three touchdowns, zero picks. They only ran the football for 69 yards. So it wasn't like they ran the football like crazy against us, but there was that 320 yards. Travis Kelsey had 84 yards and a touchdown. He looked like his old self again.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like Pittsburgh put up much of a fight, especially in the middle of the field. Xavier Worthy had 79 yards, eight receptions in the touchdown. Justin Watson had a touchdown in 60 yards, two catches. Hollywood Brown got involved. Smajay P Ryan, juju Smith-Schuster Dehop I made a bet on him to to catch the football five to four times and he only caught the football twice. And they didn't need him to because they just gave it to everybody else, like there were just so many weapons that Kansas City used to dismantle our defense throughout that whole day. And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 2:And I'm not crazy surprised, but it's just, it's disappointing, it doesn't make me mad, I'm just disappointed and it's just. And again, now we're out of first place. Now the Ravens have it, so hopefully we have a shot to get it back later on in the season. But it's not very likely. We're going to be a wild card team playing either Kansas City or Baltimore in the first round. We're probably going to lose again and be out in the first round, like that story has been for the last many years. Sorry, that's a lot of stress. That's a lot of stress. I get out from looking at how bad the Steelers were. It's funny because I don't know. It didn't make me mad at the moment, but now I look back on it it makes me more upset. Second game of the day Ravens-Texans. Ravens win the game 31-2.
Speaker 2:People are starting to question CJ Stroud and he's playing so terribly and I'm like I've been saying this all season, but I'm just going to reiterate it again for anybody that hasn't listened to the podcast we've done. When CJ trusts his offensive line to block for him and he trusts for every wide receiver to be where they need to go, he is a different quarterback. Obviously, they saw that in his first year when nobody saw it coming. And again, I think the offense is probably a little bit antiquated to a certain extent when it comes to how they try to get the ball to people. I think they're not very the offensive coordinator. As much as we try to give him credit as to him being a genius and all that, he's definitely not that.
Speaker 2:And I think the fact that we have law they that this Houston team lost so many wide receivers this year. They lost Stefan, stefan Diggs Sorry, yeah, I was right. Right, yeah, they lost Stefan Diggs. They lost tank Dell and now they're coming in this game which is Nico Collins and then everybody else.
Speaker 2:Like they didn't really have anybody else to like really be scared of on this offense, like I, obviously they have Mechie, who is like an okay receiver but he's not very effective. Robert Woods is an older guy but he's just not necessarily somebody you have to be scared of. Dalton Schultz is a great middle of the field, tight end he's great, but he's not crazy dynamic. You're worried about getting beat down the field for it Mixon, which was not effective at all in this game. Houston couldn't run the football whatsoever and I just think that CJ cannot trust his offensive line to block for him consistently and when that's the case, I think it ruins everything. You can just tell his confidence was shot by how bad this offensive line is. I'm not saying that he's never going to get that back, I just think he doesn't trust it.
Speaker 1:No, but it's just hard. I think at the start he was sacked 47 times. Right after they put that 47 times sack display up, he Ravens are straight through Into the backfield. They're not. It looks like they're not black and warm at all. You know how like quarterbacks get their presents, their O-line presents, for Christmas? Yeah, I hope he got them a personal sign, fuck you. That's so crazy.
Speaker 2:Because that's so true? Because you know, over the holidays you're talking about freaking what am I freaking? His name Purdy getting his offensive lineman cars. You have Russell Wilson getting the Steelers offensive lineman like $15,000 worth of stuff for each of them. Over the holiday You're talking about all these quarterbacks getting their guys gifts. And you're like you said, like you're right.
Speaker 2:See, cj's offensive line has done jack squat for him this year Nothing, no help, zero, zilch, nada and heck. Even the running game. The running game was good earlier on this year with Joe Mixon, but even that has started to deteriorate. So I'm just like that. That offensive line has done nothing for them at all this year. And you can tell that with Stroud, even when he has time to get the passes out, it's like he's almost antsy. It's like he's like oh, when is the next guy going to come and hit me in the back because I can't trust my left tackle to block for me, or I'm going to get this pressure up the middle and I'm just sitting there like he will get that back when he starts trusting it again.
Speaker 2:And I think the offensive coordinator probably needs to. Maybe he's just lost a little bit of that being able because his offense is a lot like San Fran's, but San Fran's is built off having a good offensive line and you can tell with San Fran, when they lost their best left tackle, like their offensive line started breaking down. They're like, oh, we look lost. They're like, oh, we look lost, and that offense really started looking bad. So now that this offensive line for Houston isn't doing well, that same type of offense is really struggling. So it makes sense and CJ isn't appreciating it Like he's not having a good offensive line with him and it infects every other part of that game and everybody's starting to question him.
Speaker 2:It sucks, because I really do think, like everybody should believe that he's that guy and you should see all the other issues with that team that keeps him from being able to be great. But nobody's going to believe that it's all the quarterback's fault. When they lose, they give the quarterback too much credit when they win. That's how the NFL works and this is how it goes. But you know Baltimore, though, monster game. Lamar Jackson, 10 of 15. He only threw the football 10 to 15 times in this game. He didn't need to. They were destroying 168 yards.
Speaker 2:Lamar had 168 yards passing, two touchdowns. Derrick Henry 27 carries, 147 yards, a touchdown. He was averaging over five yards, a carry. Lamar Jackson four carries, 87 yards and a touchdown. It was just they were destroying. Mark Andrews had a big play in this game, like he was caught in the open. He managed to catch one right in the middle of the open field and he got a long, 67-yard reception for a touchdown. The Baltimore did not have to do a lot in this game because of how putrid the offense of Houston was. But you know, it's just good to see that. Well, not as a fan of the Steelers, but in general, it's good to see the Ravens playing their best ball. Right now, looking like the end of the season, they're playing their best ball both offensively and defensively. Their defense is playing better as of recently. Who knows if that's really going to be the case when they go and face Buffalo and when they face the Chiefs in the playoffs. That is a different question. But as of right now, they're playing their best ball and they're playing well. You have to give them that credit.
Speaker 2:And then the Thursday night game. Last night Seahawks beat the Bears 6-3. This game was an absolute snore. It was. I can't even say a slugfest, because that implies they were throwing punches. Nobody was throwing punches. This was a couple jabs and just run away from each other all night type of game, because I putrid these.
Speaker 2:Both these offenses were geno smith 160 yards, 17 to 23. Caleb williams 122 yards, 16 to 28 for an interception. Um, both. Neither team really ran the football that effectively. Chicago had a little over 100 yards rushing. Seattle had 122 yards rushing. Zach's driving at 57 yards and that looked okay, but it really wasn't great. It was just too.
Speaker 2:I'm not even going to sit here and say that the defense were playing great. This is all about the bad offense for both teams in this game and I will give the seattle a little bit of credit and say that they, like when they're playing their best, their offense can look a lot better than what they did last night, and give a little credit chicago. Their defense is good, but they have good players in their defense but they don't play well as a defense together. So I'm not going to sit here and give chicago a ton of credit. They're like they shut seattle down, but this was two teams that just offensively did not have it and it showed the game was just gross.
Speaker 2:This was not a defensive battle 6-3. This was oh my god, somebody needs to win this game type of 6-3. Somebody has to make the right move to win this football game. The whole, like the 6-3 was in the first half. Nobody scored the second half. I didn't even watch the second half of ball because I was sitting there. Like this is bad, I'm not, I'm not touching the rest of this game. Um, but no, it was. This game was just really bad, wasn't good, it's, uh, it's. It was a gross game, gross. But again, I will give the chicago a little bit of like. They had a chance to win the game. At the end of the game I said in the game twice but that sucked. They had a chance to go out there and do the job and Caleb threw a pick in the last drive. So I don't know, he's so mid, he's so mid, but I think get him a better coach, maybe he'll play better. But it's just.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've been telling Dak that this whole time.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It's caleb's college. His college tape is going to carry him for years, um. But again he's gonna have another opportunity with a better coach, with probably the better offensive coordinator, to play better. But it's just not looking great right now and it's bad, um, in every sense of the word, and it's just two bad football teams played each other that day. I'm not saying seattle is bad, but they were bad that day. And and it's just two bad football teams played each other that day.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying Seattle is bad but they were bad that day and it was just a bad game to watch. And that was it for the Thursday game. Now we have to sit here and go through the rest of the slate. We'll make our picks. And why are you drawing on top of our? You know it's in the middle, it doesn't really matter. Those are nice little drawings there. That's fun. Shout out to Jace for paying attention to this podcast. Alright, let's make our picks. Start with the Saturday games Chargers, Patriots, Chargers, Patriots.
Speaker 1:I'm going Chargers.
Speaker 2:Patriots legit.
Speaker 3:I have nothing to live for the Chargers is this their last game of the season Second to last.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going. Chargers Remember there's 18 weeks of the season. My boy, everybody has to have a bye. I guess I'm going to take the Chargers too. Chargers still have a chance to make the playoffs at 9-6, so they definitely have more to play for.
Speaker 2:How bad the Patriots played last week. It doesn't give me much confidence against the Chargers team. That I'm not saying they're as good as Buffalo, but the Chargers, justin Herbert, playing good football. This will be in the cold, so I'm not sure the actual passing offense will be all that great. But again, a hardball-led team would love to sit there and run the football all game. So I'm going to give the Chargers some credit there if they go ahead and win that one.
Speaker 2:But I will say Drake May will probably show more flashes because he literally does that every week. He shows great flashes as to why he is going to be their future and I have a lot of confidence that the Patriots will get good quarterback play in the coming years. Will they be able to surround him with other talent to supplement that, who knows? But uh, he will play. He will have some good play on the field if they keep him upright and healthy. Next game broncos bangles. This game, uh, has a lot on the line. Obviously for you, jace, as a as a bangles fan, this if you guys beat the broncos, what else do you need to happen after that?
Speaker 1:Beat the Broncos. Colts lose one, dolphins lose one.
Speaker 2:It's much more feasible than the Colts are playing the Giants this week, so that's not looking great. The Dolphins to lose. They play the Browns. The way the Browns play it doesn't look great either. So you wait until week 17. So the Colts?
Speaker 1:play the Jaguars next week, which I believe they can lose that game.
Speaker 2:They can. No, that's reasonable. And then, who does Miami play? Is it Buffalo?
Speaker 1:Or the Jets. So I am hoping to God it's cold in Cleveland, because I trust Cleveland more than I trust the Jets. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:But man, oh no, you know what would feel better. It'd be crazy, I'd actually feel better for the Dolphins to lose if they had Jamison with. Oh no, you know what would feel better? It'd be crazy. I'd actually feel better for the Dolphins to lose if they had Jamison.
Speaker 1:I fucking agree, dude.
Speaker 2:Because DTR, he just did not look great last week. It's just Gross. But back to your game Bengals-Broncos. Broncos are a good football team. They do have one of the better cornerbacks in all of football being Patrick Sertain. The question is are they going to put him on Jamar Chase? Is he going to follow Jamar Chase around? If he does, will he be able to keep Jamar Chase under wraps?
Speaker 1:Does it matter?
Speaker 2:Does it matter? No, because it seems like nobody can keep him under wraps forever. He's going to get his at some point. Maybe it may not be the big explosive plays, but he's going to nickel and dime you down the field because they just find so many different ways to give him the football. And they still have Tee Higgins. That's a guy you still have to worry about. Yoshi Vash is also another wide receiver that's making plays more and more as you start to pay attention to him. And they still have Chase Brown.
Speaker 2:So Bengals being at home, they need this game like a lot. Again, the Broncos need this game too. So I'm not going to sit here and say the Bengals need it more, like want it or need it more, but I think the Bengals talent-wise offensively. The Broncos just don't have an answer for it. And again, it's not as if the Bengals' defense has much to stop the Broncos either. But if I have to pick a quarterback that I believe will make less mistakes in this game, it's going to be Joe Burrow Boenix. As good as he has been at certain times this year, I just don't trust him to not make any mistakes at all. He's still a young quarterback figuring things out, not a young as in his age, but young in the nfl type of quarterback. Uh, so I'm gonna go ahead and take joe burrow and the bangles to win that game. I agree, are you actually writing it down? You just don't draw pictures. Next game saturday night, we got Cardinals-Rams. I'm going to make this very simple Cardinals with Kyler Murray is not a trustworthy football team.
Speaker 2:The Rams still can make the playoffs. Oh yeah, and the Rams can still make the playoffs. They still have a lot to play for they're playing for something.
Speaker 2:The Cardinals ain't playing for shit, and the Rams are playing at home, and as long as Kyler Murray is the quarterback of this team, I cannot trust week to week whether they are a serious football team or not, because as soon as I see Kyler Murray make any type of mistakes, he's looking at everybody else and he has the body language of a guy that's not an actual leader of men. And so when times get hard, do I trust him to be able to go out there and do what he needs to do to put the team on his back? I don't. He's going to make the plays that make him look good and he's like you're not going to be able to complain about what he does, at least not in a. Oh, I had good stats, but it's just. Nobody else did their job. That's literally what I think he, that's what I feel from him when I watch him on the TV screen because he just has such terrible body language. Watch him on the TV screen because he just has such terrible body language and he just his attitude just seeps through the TV screen. That he does.
Speaker 2:It's not my fault, yours. He's a child. He is not necessarily making decisions Like he's not will Levis. Will Levis is a stupid person out there making decisions when he played. He's playing court, playing quarterback, but when it comes to, it's not my fault, it's that guy's fault, my fault, it's that guy's fault. Yeah, that's kyler murray and marvin harrison. They keep asking like, oh things, you're struggling so much and you know marvin harrison has to buck up and say I get. Yeah, I'd be lying to you if I said this wasn't, it wasn't hard. It's not a big struggle for me to not be doing as much as I thought I would be doing that this time this season, because they just don't. They don't know how to use the man. I get, get it. He's having his own struggles too. I'm not sitting here saying nothing's on Marvin Harrison Jr, but I'm going to sit here and say that they're not putting him in good opportunities to be able to succeed either.
Speaker 1:But what is on? Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2:I think the fact that you know I can't think of anything particular, I don't think anything is his fucking fault.
Speaker 1:I'm open downfield dude. He's not the fastest receiver in the world. It's not like he's a burner. Agreed.
Speaker 2:But you can put him in spots where he can be successful, and they don't do that.
Speaker 1:But they're not even using him at all. Even Tom Warnie, there are so many clubs of him being open downfield and legit, he looks and just fucking stops. Yeah, I'm like yeah, there's nothing you can do Next game.
Speaker 2:You know it's a real problem when Trey McBride, one of the better tight ends in the NFL, does not have a touchdown this year, not a single touchdown.
Speaker 1:Sam Hubbard has a touchdown.
Speaker 2:A defensive end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sam Hubbard and Debo Samuel have the same amount of touchdowns.
Speaker 2:That's not true. Debo had like three touchdowns that day, oh lucky motherfucker.
Speaker 1:Before this past week, Sam Hubbard and Debo Samuel had the same amount of touchdowns.
Speaker 2:That shit was crazy to me. But yeah, rams won the football game. They're good, they're much better. Have something to play for at home.
Speaker 1:Buffalo Jets, buffalo Buffalo. Okay, next game Las Vegas. New Orleans, I pick New Orleans.
Speaker 2:They're just a better team back to just one quick thing about Buffalo the Jets just suck. Yeah, aaron Rodgers sucks yeah like.
Speaker 2:he has some good games, but he just in general, what he was once was, he sucks. And for anybody that wants to say out of their mouths that the Steelers and him should have a reunion next year because they don't want to pay Russell Wilson, I would rather give my left testicle than have Aaron Rodgers be the quarterback on my football team. I was making a fit about Russell Wilson being the quarterback on my team. For sure I was mad about it. I was kicking and screaming, but I would rather cut my left testicle off than have Aaron Rodgers be the quarterback on my football team. So don't let him anywhere near my team, but any means necessary. I don't care what discount he wants to take. It should not happen. It shouldn't.
Speaker 2:And if Mike Tomlin is even enticed to do that, fire him on the spot, because that is a terrible, terrible thing to do. I agree, raiders Saints.
Speaker 1:I pick Saints the team's just more talented.
Speaker 2:This is gross. Derek Carr said he was going to try to come back this year, but Carr is still out. They don't have oh man, they don't have Al Camara, they don't have. Chris Lave is still out. He's on IR, he's still out.
Speaker 1:And even with all that out, the Saints are still more talented than the Raiders.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they have Brock Bowers.
Speaker 1:And Brock Bowers Does the.
Speaker 2:Saints have anybody that can stop Brock Bowers from getting up and down the football field? Did anybody have anybody that can stop Brock Bowers?
Speaker 1:And the Raiders are still 3-9. They're 3-12. Okay, cool. So no one had anything that could stop Brock Bowers. No one has stopped Brock Bowers.
Speaker 2:And they still can't win football games. Saints are 5-10, though they're not much better, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Now again, no one can stop Brock Bowers, but they're still 3-12. Raiders are trying to tank. They need to lose more than.
Speaker 2:Giants I'm taking because you know what I'm taking the Raiders. Okay, Do you know who the quarterback is for the Saints?
Speaker 1:Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 2:I watched how he played last week. Their offense is no shot Dude Again. I know Green Bay is very good, but they got Like they got shut out, that's.
Speaker 1:Dude, nothing. I'm sorry, I am not trusting Aiden O'Connell To do shit.
Speaker 2:I've seen him do more. Than I've seen Spencer Rattler do Okay. And at least Aiden O'Connell has Brock Bowers on his side. Spencer Rattler has nobody Okay.
Speaker 1:Indiana Giants. I picked Indiana.
Speaker 2:I'm taking the Colts. I think they said Richardson may not play in this game, potentially.
Speaker 1:That may be better for them. Real quick, ooh, that does make it harder. He's questionable for this game it does make it harder, since that defensive line is really good, because if it's Joe Flucco back there, that man is not running. Yes, I need the Colts to lose this game, but this ain't the one.
Speaker 2:Jonathan Taylor is coming off an absolute monster football game.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, if you saw what he did last week I know. But again, it's a good D-line.
Speaker 2:It is a good D-line, but I'm not sure if they're a good run-stopping D-line or if they're just a good pass rush.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take the Colts.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take the Colts. Yes, they're just a better football team. The Giants suck. They're trying to, you know. Go get your door, I guess.
Speaker 1:Alright next game. Eagles Alright next game.
Speaker 2:Eagles-Cowboys Taking the oh, uh, uh. Why am I forgetting his name now? Ceedee Lamb out for the rest of the year, apparently a shoulder injury. He's going to take him out for the last two games, so that's definitely not a help. I don't care. The Cowboys' defense has been playing better, but it's just. That's great. Them niggas are asses. Eagles should win the football game unless they have Kenny Pickett a quarterback. Even then, kenny Pickett played fine. Who'd they play? Last week they played.
Speaker 1:Washington. Washington yes, and Kenny Pickett played good. They scored 38 points and won the game Lost. They lost that game.
Speaker 2:They lost Washington. Yeah Fuck, washington scored 22 unanswered points in that fourth quarter. Man, that's not Kenny Pickett's fault, you're not wrong. And Kenny Pickett did give the one pass to Devontae Smith to ice the game. If Devontae Smith catches it and he just straight up drops it, it was a corner route, it was like an easy catch if he would have made it.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong, but do I trust Kenny Pickett on a week-in, week-out basis? I saw it in real time.
Speaker 2:It's not great I trust him more than Cooper Rush, with no CeeDee Lamb who the fuck are they throwing to?
Speaker 1:Hurts is out. He's not playing Again. Who is he throwing to if it's not CeeDee Lamb? There's no one to cover. You're not wrong. They can't stop the run.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, eagles. Next game Tampa Bay. Next game Tampa.
Speaker 2:Bay, carolina. Carolina is a feisty team at 4-11. They're feisty.
Speaker 1:Mike Evans needs like a shit ton of yards. He doesn't need a crap ton.
Speaker 2:He only needs to average like 98 yards for last two games and he's over.
Speaker 1:He'll get it all right here, he'll be over 1,000. Who's going to cover?
Speaker 2:him. They don't. Jc Horn is good. Jc Horn is very good. He's not Mike Evans, good though.
Speaker 1:I will give JC Horn that, but JC Horn is a number two DB.
Speaker 2:He is a number one db but he's not a superstar db. That can cover a superstar receiver. If it's a normal regular receiver in the nfl, fine. If it's a top 15 20 receiver, I think he has a good spot. But mike evans is a top five, top 10 guy and that's the guy. That is the guy, a guy like JC Horn cannot handle.
Speaker 1:Like he stops at 15.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying if it's a quarterback outside the top 10. Like if it's right outside the top 10.
Speaker 1:T Higgins is outside the top 10. That nigga's not covering T Higgins. Okay, devontae Smith's outside the top 10.
Speaker 2:That nigga's not covering Devontae Smith. I feel like he could do well against Devontae Smith. He could do well.
Speaker 1:Garrett Wilson's outside of the top 15. Jerry, yeah.
Speaker 3:Jerry, Chris Olava's outside of the top 15. Okay fine All right, all right, all right. Scary Terry's outside of the top 15 for most people.
Speaker 2:Oh, Scary Terry's been eating this year that nigga's not covering anybody above 20. Okay, yes, all right. Okay yes, alright, yes, okay, yes, okay, that's fine. No, no, no, I was flippin' about that. I probably should have put a little more thought into it before I said it. For sure, okay, that's on me, but okay. But yeah, I do have to give Bryce Young credit, though. He played well last week To a win that they got. They ran the football quite well with Chuba Hubbard, so do I think they can do that against Tampa Bay?
Speaker 1:I Chuba Hubbard, so do. I think they can do that against.
Speaker 2:Tampa Bay? I'm not going to say so. They're going to make K's top 25. I think Tampa Bay is going to run the football effectively throw the football to Mike Evans and I think they're going to play some good football. He covers Devontae Adams With this version of Aaron Rodgers. But, does he cover Devontae?
Speaker 1:Adams no, no, no.
Speaker 2:He cover Cooper Cup I think? I don't think he wouldn't. Cooper Cup's a weird one, Seven.
Speaker 1:I don't think Cooper Cup physically is dominant enough. Hell no, nine no.
Speaker 2:Stephon Diggs when he's healthy? No Ten, Obviously not Scary Terry. Eleven no.
Speaker 1:Nine no, stephon Diggs when he's healthy? No, ten, obviously not Scary Terry Eleven no, he can cover Debo Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2:Twelve no Can he cover Waddle? No, jc Orange Low no, he's not.
Speaker 1:Waddle Fest Thirteen. Can he cover DJ Moore no 14. Can he cover? We already said he can't cover DeMarcus Smith 15.
Speaker 2:Nico Collins.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No 16.
Speaker 1:That nickel was fringe for me. Puka Nakua no.
Speaker 2:He does it in a different way. I don't think Puka Nakua 17.
Speaker 1:Amari Cooper 18. Oh, no, no, no, that's close, that's close, that's close.
Speaker 2:I think Amari Cooper is mid as crap, jsn 18. No.
Speaker 1:Chris Olave, no 19. No, I'd say he could cover Drake London.
Speaker 2:I think Drake London will big body him.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. He'll cover him real well.
Speaker 2:He won't get shit away from him. He'll be there.
Speaker 1:He'll be there. He'll be there, but he won't like. Sounds like 19 to me. He'll be treated like a little kid. That sounds like 19. I didn't even name some of them. There were some guys. I'm like you're not covering them. Yeah, t. Higgins, no, it's 20. Legit, there were guys I didn't name because I'm like you're not covering them. It's 20. Already put a.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, definitely not, amara.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? Then? You've made your point very clear. Chris Godwin. Eh, he was the better of the two of him and Mike Evans. He's not better than Mike Evans. Yes, he was With Tom Brady with the short passing. Last year he was better.
Speaker 1:Chris Godwin was killing it. I feel like you don't know who Chris Godwin is.
Speaker 2:No, I know who Chris Godwin is. I've seen him play good football.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, fine yes, I like neighbors. No, not now no, brian Robinson Jr. Nope 22.
Speaker 2:I wish the Steelers would have picked him up. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Will he cover? I don't think he covered George Pickens, he's 23. Romo Duse Actually cover Romo Duse. Fuck, no, no 24.
Speaker 2:If Caleb can get him the ball or not is a different question, but yeah, he'll be open.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's open. He could cover Marvin Harrison. They may not be using it, but that man could not cover Marvin Harrison. He's 25.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're getting deep here, we're getting deep.
Speaker 1:I could take a 5-1,. Motherfuckers, michael Pittman.
Speaker 2:Whether he's going to get the ball or not. He's 26. Rich is thinking about the football.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, that's 26.
Speaker 2:Can we get the Titans in Jacksonville? Nah, game's ass. Can we get the Titans in?
Speaker 1:Jacksonville Nah game's ass.
Speaker 2:Why are we talking about that game? Titans Jacksonville. I'm going to take the.
Speaker 1:Titans. Oh, I legit. I was like, oh, he's going to take Jacksonville, I have the Titans down too.
Speaker 2:Are you freaking kidding me? Why would I take?
Speaker 1:Jacksonville, because you're a backward-ass motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Nah, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had Tennessee written down for you. At first it's like, nah, you don't take Jacksonville.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Unless Will Levis is playing, which I don't think he is, I believe. No, will Levis is not seeing the football field, so I'm not going to know. No, tennessee is a much better football team, so I'm going to take Tennessee to win that game. Jacksonville sucks. Other than Brian Robinson Jr, they really have nobody else. Brian Robinson Jr is that boy, though I have to give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 1:That physically like he is a very hard guy to tackle Jordan Addison 27.
Speaker 2:Not who Jordan Addison is this year Oof, yeah, he's scary. Next game Dolphins Browns.
Speaker 1:I'm taking the Dolphins. I don't trust the Browns. They're trying to lose.
Speaker 2:It's cold outside, though they're playing outside In Cleveland, it's cold.
Speaker 1:Nigga DTR For real For real. Dtr. You don't trust that.
Speaker 2:Can we? Can we call in? Call in the righty, winston, please? No, they'll win the game like that. They need to lose. No, no, no, no, no. You don't trust that. Can we call in the righty in, winston, please?
Speaker 1:No, though when they game like that they need to lose.
Speaker 2:No no no, no, no, no. They just restructured Watson's contract again. They added on two void years so they can spread out his contract to up to 2030. So if you're adding void years, that's not because you want to get rid of him now. That's because you want to keep him another year and potentially be able to spread out his contract for even longer. So he's coming back next year. They're not drafting a quarterback. They are going to stick with what they have because they owe this man a ton of money, and that's the case. So they're not trying to get a quarterback now. At least it doesn't seem that way. It so they're not trying to get a quarterback now. At least it doesn't seem that way. It seems like they're going to run it back with old boy Watson for another year and pay him a ton of money just to do absolutely nothing for them. I don't understand. I'm like dude, it's a waste. It's a waste of time. You're already a terrible football team.
Speaker 1:You may as well just eat the contract and start anew. Oh, dude, you mean you were balling out what 310 to 381?.
Speaker 2:What is that? Oh yeah, yeah, it was over two weeks, so that's a lot of points. I won, though, yeah, but no, it's hard to trust the Dolphins in the cold weather man. Again, they have their offense much different now, but Brown's defense is actually pretty good. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Zay Flowers. Can you cover Zay Flowers? That one's French, I'll give you that?
Speaker 2:That one's French I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:God, mcconkie, I cover that.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:It's 20. Courtland Sutton it's 29.
Speaker 2:fine.
Speaker 1:DK Metcalf.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna take the Dolphins.
Speaker 1:DK Metcalf same thing as Drake London. He'll be there.
Speaker 2:DK Metcalf had his own issues the other night they were asking him about it. He was like I'm an adult, I can control my emotions. I'm like, well, dude, you've been putting up a lot of moments out there that makes people think you can't, so I don't know about that. One buddy, I'll give you that, but no, dk Metcalf can destroy him. No, that's not a question.
Speaker 1:That's 30 then.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was just talking about the whole. Rashad Bateman. He can cover Rashad Bateman. He's a mid-SF receiver For sure.
Speaker 1:Fifth round picks.
Speaker 2:Next game Packers Vikings.
Speaker 1:I'm taking the Vikings. Pretty confident in that. Jordan Love has been like a roller coaster and the Vikings are just a steamroll Packers are coming off a big steamroll over the Saints yeah. But I don't think that matters.
Speaker 2:I think that Sam Darnold has put everybody in a body back. That's ever said anything negative about him. Not necessarily because they were wrong at the time but, I, think that he is. He has played on a crazy level. This year.
Speaker 1:I didn't think it was possible. I have never said anything bad about Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to know, because if anybody said he was playing badly, I don't think that's necessarily negative.
Speaker 1:No, but I've never said anything bad about him. I've always held out hope for him.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, no. I don't think I truly have either. I don't think I've ever truly thought that he was not a quarterback capable of being a guy in the NFL. I've always believed it. It was always about getting it in his own head about the mistakes and having the right talent around him to be able to bring that out of him. And he has found that in Minnesota and watching that game last week where he just said F it, throw it up to Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson was double covered on that deep ball. There is no reason any quarterback should ever try that throw. But guess what? Sam Darnold, talent wise, has the, has the, everything in the world. He has the arm. He was able to get outside the pocket this was with an ankle injury, by the way that he got that escape ability to get out, get to kind of take a step up and make that throw and he puts it on a dot to Justin Jefferson and Justin Jefferson just does the rest and gets the touchdown on that.
Speaker 2:With Sam Darnold playing like this with those weapons that he has on his at his disposal, this Vikings team is absolutely scary. And as much as I think the Packers are a very good football team. Jordan Love is up and down. Josh Jacobs he's played awesome this year. He's over 1,000 yards rushing this year, 13 touchdowns.
Speaker 2:You know what's crazy? Jace loves talking about Jacobs and he hasn't really been able to say a lot of bad things this year because he's balled out too. But against this Vikings defense that knows how to play well, they play very complimentary football, they stay in front of you, they're not going to make any huge mistakes and when you have this Vikings team that can literally score any which way they want, it's a very hard day and I don't think the Packers have the pass rush to get after Sam Darnold to rattle him at all. So I think he's going to have a fun little time. As long as his ankle's fine, he's going to sit back there, make his plays, get it to the right guys, addison and Jefferson, and they're going to ball out and win this football game.
Speaker 1:Especially since they're at home. Burke Bowers is five receptions away from the most catches by any rookie in history.
Speaker 2:Any rookie, just any receiver.
Speaker 1:Any rookie in history and his team is that ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they have nobody else, literally. Actually, they have other guys, but nobody of his caliber whatsoever. Like that's it. Like their running backs are fine, like they have some like Amir Abdullah, I believe, is still playing running back for them and like their running backs are playing well, it's just uh, uh, brock Bowers is that boy? And imagine, once they get my actual quarterback I'm guessing they're hoping it's Jador, uh, but yeah, that was crazy how good he is.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think the Vikings are just a very, very, very good football team. And do you know? They're setting up a week 18 matchup with detroit to not only play for winning the division but winning the number one overall c2. That game is going to be a freaking barn burner. And again, I think detroit's defense is probably the achilles heel for them, because they have no hope of guarding this minnesota vikings offense. But at the same time, that detroit offense is so elite I just don't know, even with the v Vikings defense being good, do they have enough to stop all the weapons that Detroit has at their disposal? I just don't think so either. So like that will be an absolute insane football game week 18. And that game happens at 425. So we're probably not going to be watching it. Probably watching it for our phones, depending on when the game is for Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. But yeah, I think that game's going to be awesome. Vikings win this game against the Packers Sunday Night Football. Falcons Commanders yeah, I don't know. I think the Commanders win?
Speaker 1:Yes, but Michael Penix looked better than.
Speaker 2:Michael Penix looked good. He Michael Penix looked good. Like he did not, like obviously he didn't have the touchdown. Did he have one touchdown pass?
Speaker 1:He didn't have any touchdown passes last week? No touchdowns, no interceptions.
Speaker 2:But they were in the football factory last week.
Speaker 1:He was more dynamic and it made the team more dynamic and it opened up for fucking Bijan to run.
Speaker 2:Him and Drake London have an awesome him. Drake London, why am I forgetting the other wide receiver's name for them? Oh yeah, the guy that used to play for Chicago.
Speaker 1:Darnell Mooney.
Speaker 2:Darnell Mooney absolutely awesome. Like they have a more dynamic offense in general, and I think, even though Penix did not have a touchdown pass, I think he played very well. It made the team more electrified. That and I think it just it's a spark. It's a spark for sure, and they still have a chance for the playoffs too, so like they still have plenty to play for Kyle Pitts wants to go become a bangle.
Speaker 2:Again the fact that he didn't put an offense that got all the talented guys the ball. I know, but with this team I don't know how Kyle Pitts doesn't do anything. He's just they don't use him at all. It's not just that they don't use like they don't. Not only they don't feature him, but even when he's out there like he looks like the most talented guy on the field and yet they not only don't get him the football, he doesn't look like he even wants the football Like. It's insane sometimes. Like how like, even though he looks so like, not ordinary.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's just because he knows he's not going to get the football.
Speaker 2:I guess not, but I feel like even last week could have been that moment. And it's just Drake London, over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:When do you think he had his most targets? Kyle Pitts how many targets do you think is his max?
Speaker 2:Kyle Pitts For this year. What's most targets he's had in the game, Like five.
Speaker 1:So the most targets he had in the game was nine. He had 108 yards.
Speaker 2:So when you?
Speaker 1:give him the football he—. His next is eight with 88 yards. So when he has thrown that football he's doing neck is eight with 88 yards, so when he has thrown that football oh, he's doing something with it.
Speaker 2:He's going to make plays. Okay, so he's super talented. It's just he's always been super talented. He looks like the most talented guy on the field at all times. It's just they don't use him.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Come to Cincinnati, we'll show you what it's like they just put him in it.
Speaker 2:It's almost like they're trying to treat him as a tight end. I'm like that dude's just a really big wide receiver. But again, maybe Drake London has taken up that spot to where you can't.
Speaker 1:I know, but again, if he wants to become a banger, there's a spot for him.
Speaker 2:What safety has a chance to cover a guy like that? I know.
Speaker 1:That is what I'm saying. It's saying if there's any dude that can give him the ball, it's joe shysty. Joe burr legit, there was. Joe burr had through through a pass to 10 dudes last game yeah, he'll get it to you.
Speaker 2:If you're open, he'll get it to you you don't want to pay t higgins.
Speaker 1:You could pay kyle pitts at a fucking discount for what he's actually worth for true, yeah, you know why? Because, oh, you don't, you're not really all that good. Kyle Pitts is that guy. He has 500 yards. Those were his two maxes. His next highest was four targets in a game.
Speaker 2:Dude, just Maybe there's such a thing as having too many talented guys to give the football to. I don't know.
Speaker 1:There can't be Joe.
Speaker 2:Burrow does a fine. Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong If he's covered. He's not. Yeah, if he's covered, he's not. Yeah, simple as that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think Commanders win this football game. They're the better team. I think the Falcons' defense is just not as great as what we thought they were going to be.
Speaker 1:They weren't as good as they were last year. Think that's their bigger, bigger problem. I think their secondary is good. I just think, like you said, when you're covering for four, five, six, seven, eight seconds, you're like, holy shit, somebody get to them, because they have no one that can get to the quarterback funny.
Speaker 2:It's funny. They probably could have used a pass rusher on their draft last year, but they decided to get michael pennix instead in the first 10.
Speaker 1:It's a top 10 pick I think a lot of the defensive players that were drafted this past year have been really fucking good. No for sure.
Speaker 2:All of them. I'm not saying they've been superstars, but they've all been productive, they've all played very well.
Speaker 1:So it's insane.
Speaker 2:And no defensive player got drafted until the 20s, 15?
Speaker 1:15. Latu Latu.
Speaker 2:Leatu.
Speaker 1:Latu yeah, he's been pretty good for the Colts, exactly, but again you had your opportunity.
Speaker 2:You could have picked anybody, but again, michael Penix is now playing, so maybe he's the future.
Speaker 1:If he truly does go out there and start slinging the football you got lucky.
Speaker 2:But I think the Commanders, they win this football game. They're the better overall team and Jay Daniels is on fire right now. Terry Scary Terry Him and Jane Daniels was on fire right now. Scary Terry Him and Scary Terry together are just an absolute match made in heaven, everybody's now giving Scary Terry his credit. Oh, we've been on this for years.
Speaker 1:It's annoying because I'm like bro. I've known he's been that guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've watched him. He finally has a quarterback to help him out. Like finally, Like finally he has a guy that can really get him the football no one wants to and an offense that can feature him, but he does have Mike Evan-like stats where he has had 1,000 since he's entered the league.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every clean 1,000.
Speaker 2:Right. He's just not flashy dude, the way he does it, he just and he's what the stat was.
Speaker 1:He has had 13 quarterbacks. Throw him a touchdown.
Speaker 2:Right, 13? 13. He's only been in the league six years. Yeah, what the fuck? 13? Again, one of the quarterbacks did die, but again, he was traded. Yeah, he was traded, he was yeah.
Speaker 1:That ratio is seven years. He's been in the NFL seven years. Yeah. That ratio is crazy, yeah, crazy. You were having at least two different guys steal your touchdown. You have two to three guys steal your touchdown every year. Yeah, no question, all right. Last game.
Speaker 2:Last game, monday night Lions Niners.
Speaker 1:That's us All.
Speaker 2:right, we can wrap the podcast up Because, come on, lions win this football game. Niners are locked out of the playoffs. They have no shot. They have nothing to play for at this point.
Speaker 1:The Lions are so injured, but it doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2:Their defense is so injured, their offense is fine. Other than Montgomery, who's out for this rest of the season? But, outside of him. They have everybody else offensively and I just don't think the San Francisco 49ers defense has anything that can stop this Lions offense from doing what they want to do. I agree.
Speaker 2:And as great as Kittle has been, kittle has heated up. Oh, just take everybody else away and let Kittle have to be like the only him and Debo be the only pass catchers. And I will add what's his face Juwan Jennings. Juwan Jennings. He's been very good I know, but like Kittle's been eating this year, Like he's been. Great Kittle is as good as Kelsey Imagine if he's been treated like Kelsey, I think he's a better tight end. I think he's a better all-around tight end. Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but I think he doesn't have the same pure athleticism Kelsey does of hey, once I get into open space I'm just a receiver. Kittle is I'm going to go run that motherfucker over. He's more of a straight-up tight end, true.
Speaker 2:But again it's— Look at all the quarterbacks he's had throughout his career in comparison to you know, kelsey getting Patrick Mahomes Well he's had.
Speaker 1:Kelsey has had three. Maybe Kelsey had.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's had three, Because I think he had the one quarterback that broke his neck, chad Henney, nope the other one.
Speaker 1:That was also one of his quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:Was it Mahomes?
Speaker 1:yeah, Was it really, and then before that it was I do know who you're talking about, alex. Smith, it was Alex Smith. Chad Henning Mahomes.
Speaker 2:Insane. But yeah, kidd has been awesome this year, but again that's just not enough and I think the Detroit Lions team is going to roll and again, like I said earlier, they're setting up a nice Week 18 barn burner against Minnesota and I don't think the San Francisco 49ers is going to do anything to mess that up. So I think Detroit's going to go ahead and destroy San Fran here. Maybe the game might be close and we might think, probably saying it is, but I think Detroit probably still wins because offensively they just cannot be stopped, especially by the San Fran team. That's just hurt everywhere and they have really no shot to win this game, even though they probably do, because they're all paid and they're all very talented guys too. But you know, I think detroit wins and that's about it.
Speaker 2:Um, oh, by the way, real quick, how did you see the clip of, uh, joelle and bead yelling at the, the ref, the female ref? It sparked a whole thing because they were talking about because joelle b was chewing her out like not physically, it was more of a metaphorical saying when he was yelling at her because of a bad call or something like that, and she teched him up and sent him out of the basketball game and everybody was talking about how, like there was obviously see people on one side saying that he shouldn't be talking to a woman like that. That's like he's using, he's trying to intimidate her, and the other side is like, oh, but she's a woman in a man's sport and she should be treated like every other official, not necessarily as a woman, and I'm like I think it goes both ways. I think to a certain extent, you just have to treat her like another official. I did hear one person say that no one ref should be able to tech like disqualify a player from a game. That should be a group decision so you can keep stuff like that from happening. Because I think they said after the game that she was like that she said after she was like I messed up and all that.
Speaker 2:But the fact that this is again, I think, women being officials is definitely being refs is a good thing, because they want to have the job. If they can do the job well, there's no question they should be doing it. But they should be treated as if they're official, no matter if they're a man or woman, because they're playing in a predominantly man sport. They can't change the fact that all these dudes in the NBA are 6'8" and look big and tall over her and when they're in the heat of battle they obviously those guys have jobs on the line Like those are the guys that get paid big money for this. Like that. That's a very high pressure environment.
Speaker 2:So I don't think you can necessarily look at Joel Embiid and say he should be able to control his emotion in the moment and be not intimidating to a female official Like that's what he's thinking about. That could be an alien at the, could be an alien at the as a referee and he'd still be going crazy like that because that's what he does. He's in the heat of battle and he's out there trying to win a basketball game. That's this the night before Christmas. It's like it's definitely still a big game that people are watching, even though on Christmas Day nobody really was watching comparison to the NFL.
Speaker 2:But like I think that was a weird. It was a weird thing to happen when, especially when the NBA is trying to, like you know, keep their, keep their spirits up, and you're like, oh, you still have games going on and it's like a little negative headline again. We don't really talk about basketball until after the, after football is over. But I figured that was one thing, that kind of popped up that I was just like it's the weird, weird thing to happen because even the NFL like as much we've had women officials like out there doing it. You know, it's funny that, now that I think about it, female officials have never actually they've always been sideline officials Like do you ever see like an actual female official be like the head official or anything like that that people have to talk to?
Speaker 2:I haven't, which I think maybe it's the NFL knowing that coaches and players chew out these officials all the time and don't want to have that situation happen at all. Again, I think I have to give the NFL a lot of credit that they think about everything in terms of what looks good to the audience, and I feel like they're very cognizant of that and they treat everything as if they're running a TV show, and that's how they do things in a way that the NBA can probably learn a little bit from them. But no, it was a weird story that I wanted to talk about real quick, but that's all I have here. Let's go ahead and end this podcast.
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