JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Ohio State Goes Duck Hunting and NFL Week 18 Preview
The episode dives into the current NFL playoff landscape, college football's emerging talents, and the ongoing quarterback debate across teams. The hosts discuss the implications of recent performances, draft strategies, and the importance of effective management in shaping team futures. They also share their predictions for upcoming games and analyze the evolving dynamics of player positions and roles within franchises.
• CFP Quarterfinals Recap, Ohio State's Dominance
• Discuss the impact of current draft class on NFL teams
• Predictions for NFL playoff scenarios
• Reflection on team management strategies
• Importance of integrating young talents into rosters
• Spotlight on quarterback performances and future prospects
welcome back. Jay was just podcast today's friday, january 3rd, and we're back from the podcast happy new year.
Speaker 2:we here, we're podcasting. Uh, we have one last week of nfl regular season football. We are in the middle of a midst of a college football playoff going as well. So that's, that's honestly everything. Basketball. I guess here his Bryce James no, sorry, bronny James, nope, not Bronny Bryce Going to Arizona.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It seems like a good basketball decision because arizona actually is like pretty good at basketball for the most part. But uh, I don't know. It made news for a little bit so I'm like I guess a little bit he's actually a better prospect in general, not just a name yeah, he's six foot seven with actual skills he has a size, I feel, because I don't think, I don't think brawny doesn't have the skills to actually play, it's just he's small for the position that he plays.
Speaker 2:What does he play? He's a point guard.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? He's small.
Speaker 2:Relatively small. He's 6'2" Right, but he doesn't have but at 6'2", neither have the elite athleticism to be able to jump out the gym or you need to have the crazy speed. He doesn't really have that.
Speaker 1:Remember the Steph Curry jump out the gym or you need to have the crazy speed he doesn't really have that. I'm not going to stuff Curry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Steph Curry has an elite shooter.
Speaker 1:He probably does have the crazy athleticism. No, he's not fucking John Morant like everybody else.
Speaker 2:Right Is De'Aaron Fox. No, he's crazy fast. No, de'aaron Fox is that type of athlete. Okay, yes.
Speaker 1:Give me another point guard that is lamello at that.
Speaker 2:No, demos lamello's tall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's tall. Okay, yeah, cool. So what is ronnie doing wrong? He's six foot two right.
Speaker 2:He has the athleticism of a lamello but doesn't have the size. While being at his, at his height, he'd need to be even more. When it comes to a, you need to have even better burst to be able to get around some of the height issues that you potentially could have Unless you were like you know.
Speaker 1:You hatin'.
Speaker 2:I'm not hating you hate.
Speaker 1:I'm not hating on anything. No, you're hatin'. I don't disagree. This nigga's ass, this nigga's not good at basketball.
Speaker 2:I don't give a nigga's ass. This nigga's not good at basketball. I don't give a fuck. See, I'm not going as far as you Saying he's not good at basketball. I think he's good at basketball. No, no, no. I think he's actually good at basketball.
Speaker 1:I think this nigga's a EuroLeague Motherfucker, because I don't think he's good at basketball.
Speaker 2:I think he is.
Speaker 1:I just think.
Speaker 2:I just think he needs to Either be so.
Speaker 1:This nigga averaged nine in the G League. Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:Good at basketball Nine he averaged six points in college yes, I understand. And then nine in the G League. He was sitting on the bench last night when LeBron was playing.
Speaker 1:That's why he's on the team.
Speaker 2:Your daddy's on the court.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. If he's not on the team, you're not drafted?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I agree. Actually, the team you not drafted. Yeah, no, I agree. Actually he probably could have been drafted, but because the sons apparently were interested in the second round later on in the second round. But they were, but they told him no, they were like, okay, we'll go with it, it's fine, they didn't want to cause any problems but again, I, like you were.
Speaker 1:You weren't a top 50 prospect coming into the nba draft. There was 50 dudes better than you.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah coming into the draft. Yes, he was not a 50-dude better than you. Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And most second-round guys don't really make it. Yeah, no question Hell, most first-round guys don't really make it True. Outside the lottery you make it like six.
Speaker 2:Six is a good year. There's a reason why Kawhi being picked like, pick like 20 something was such a huge deal.
Speaker 1:It's impressive.
Speaker 2:Giannis was a later on pick At fucking 12.
Speaker 1:Giannis was 12. 17. Giannis was 17.
Speaker 2:Um freaking. Uh for what's his face? Uh for Denver.
Speaker 1:Jokic.
Speaker 2:Jokic. Yes, jokic was later, he wasn't a he wasn't a lottery pick either. He was a second round pick.
Speaker 1:That's the thing If you're a second round pick do not.
Speaker 2:Jimmy Butler was a second round pick.
Speaker 1:He was. But again, if you're a second round pick, at best you're a role player.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they're just taking little flyers on you saying, hey, maybe this can turn into something. You have potential somewhere. Let's see what you can do.
Speaker 1:Right, you are a role player. Most guys outside the top five, five in the first round. You're a role player.
Speaker 2:I'll say top ten, top ten. Because top ten, I'll say top ten. You don't think so?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I would say, if you have some bad years where there's only like five good players, that's one thing, but there are some drafts where there are like ten really good prospects that can turn into like good players.
Speaker 1:My nigga, andrew Wiggins, was the number overall pick.
Speaker 2:He really good prospects that can turn into like my nigga. Andrew wiggins was the number overall pick. He's, he's, he is an nba vet like he stayed in the league.
Speaker 1:It's not like he isn't good enough to play, but that number one yes, that nigga was one. Yes, you know, it was second marvin bagley, that nigga, we don't exist, no more he is a cease to exist.
Speaker 2:No, you know, he's playing where. I think last time I checked he was like with detroit business we don't exist no more. No, he's playing when. I think last time I checked he was like Detroit business.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't call that play. I call that Cade Cunningham has his nuts on everybody else's head and the rest of y'all suck ass. Cade Cunningham has scored 40, and they're still down to 30.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:No, I was just like If you're a bench player on the Pistons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're bad, you're bad. No, you're bad, you're bad, you're bad, you gotta go.
Speaker 1:You may not be good enough for the Euro League. You have to leave. You are a bench player on the on the pistons. If you're not a point guard, yeah, you're not wrong. If you're a point guard and you're like you're kate cunningham's that guy, right, he's that guy yeah, okay if you're, if you're the backup point guard, you may not be asked.
Speaker 2:Right, you may be decent he's playing over you because he's that dude and if you are anybody else in that team if you're not finding playing time, you're something wrong.
Speaker 1:Or, if you anywhere, that's 9, 10, 11, 12, or 13, bro y'all are random.
Speaker 2:Your agent did you dirty.
Speaker 1:Your agent was like a check's, a check Bag's, a bag. Piss isn't a body and you that guy Like but still, I just Brody is not good. I don't even think if he would have stayed in college at this point. I truly don't think if he would have stayed in college he would have gotten much better.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't want to say that, that part I don't want to say.
Speaker 1:Well, why can't you shoot? And JJ Redick's your coach.
Speaker 2:Well, he's not getting coached by JJ Redick all the time.
Speaker 1:He's not, he's getting sent to the G League sometimes it still doesn't negate your daddy to go, so what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2:Honestly, you didn't even have to go to JJ Redick. Your dad taught himself to shoot. He's gotten a lot better at shooting over the years. You've known him your entire life.
Speaker 1:You've lived with him your entire life and you still can't shoot. He sucks at shooting.
Speaker 2:He's streaky, I'm not saying he can't shoot. I'm not saying he can't. If he was given a whole NBA season he would not be bottom of the barrel at shooting.
Speaker 1:He wouldn't be he's a good, decent NBA shooter. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:In a way that LeBron, but he's not lethal In the NBA. Now you need to be lethal.
Speaker 1:That's where I agree with you. Steph Curry and him are similar heights Right, and Dame's even a little shorter than they are. But those two guys that's the equalizer Too much space.
Speaker 2:Right. All space is too much space for them, not to mention Steph's, a magician dribbling.
Speaker 1:They have handles. Dame ain't as good, but they have handles Right. Probably don't have that LeBron. He plays like LeBron, right, but you're six foot two, right. Why does your younger brother play less like LeBron? Have you seen his younger brother?
Speaker 2:He's a big, he's like yeah.
Speaker 1:He's six foot seven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's tall, he's a smaller direct because he can fucking shoot, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he's also crazy athletic.
Speaker 2:What the fuck happened to this one?
Speaker 1:Was this one not done?
Speaker 2:cooking. Sometimes the gene pool just doesn't pick you, man. It's how it works. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:don't pick you. It picked somebody. How is it not you it? Picked your brother, which is cool and all, but you still can't do other shit. He banked his entire high school career of I'm athletic.
Speaker 2:He was more athletic than the people he was playing in high school.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that's high school. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:But he couldn't do that at college and now in the.
Speaker 1:NBA. He's not doing that. Yeah, because you were little you want to play like you're 6'7", but you are in fact 6'2" Right, and you're not that athletic If you were.
Speaker 2:John Morant athletic. Oh yeah, that's an equalizer.
Speaker 1:John Morant don't have to shoot because he's already down there, but John Morant's also that fast.
Speaker 2:Right, you have to be that fast and athletic. You have to be John Morant. You have to be De'Aaron Fox. De'aaron Fox.
Speaker 1:Like you're the fastest dude on the court.
Speaker 2:Right you. You're not that guy, or it'd be Kyrie freaking magician.
Speaker 1:You have to be a magician, but that's not. Kyrie can shoot. Kyrie can shoot yes, he's not great from three, but he's good enough to where I wouldn't give him oh he's a good three-point shooter.
Speaker 2:He's not a bad three-point shooter by any means he's not great. But I wouldn't give him space. Oh, because he can get. He's supremely athletic. Not necessarily in speed. Well, in his younger years he was very fast.
Speaker 1:He's very sneaky athletic. If you give him enough space he's going to get up there and as his career has gone along.
Speaker 2:He's become even more of a magician, which has equalized the fact that maybe he's lost a step or two over his years.
Speaker 1:Agreed, his handles have gotten better when his speed has diminished. Right so it's.
Speaker 2:Because, unless you're not that, you have to be Luka and be 6'8 and be with the ball in your hand.
Speaker 1:And be confusing as fuck on. How'd you get past me? You are made of jello.
Speaker 2:Hey, he just does his thing, man, he just does his thing, he does his thing. And it works Is.
Speaker 1:Luka 6'8? I thought he was more like 6'4.
Speaker 2:No, he's 6'8. Is he really? Lucas is huge. Can you fact check that real fast? Yeah, is he really 6'8? Yes, don't judge 6'6. Sorry, a little too far. 6'6. I was about to say 6'8". It's fucking Right between. We were right between 6'8 and 6'6", I mean 6. You were thinking 6'4", he's 6'6". Yeah, yeah, he's a tall boy. He's a tall boy. Tatum's 6'8". That's that nigga's ass. I don't give a fuck, whatever he says great, he's a good all-around player oh he's just not the best player in the or on his team he's
Speaker 1:not the best 10 players dude, you weren't even the best player on your team, yeah, and so you don't get the. How do you not get finals mvp? And everybody's like, oh, he's the best player in the nba and I'm like, nope, I'm sorry last time. I recall he's the best player in the nba. Hoist that finals MVP.
Speaker 2:That's not how that works With that team. It doesn't.
Speaker 1:Jokic did it.
Speaker 2:Yes, but Jokic was the best player on that team. Exactly, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:How are you, the best player in the NBA between the best player on your team.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, those two things don't mix day out night.
Speaker 1:you're not the best player Right. Why am I looking at a score chart and Al Horford has 42 points? What the fuck are we doing? That motherfucker's been playing since before the 2000s.
Speaker 2:Their team is built differently, in a way that you know it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Yes, in a way that Tatum can be ass every other night, right.
Speaker 2:Airtame just blows everybody out. That's what it is.
Speaker 1:They blow everyone out, because suddenly they just start raining threes oh yeah, now everybody's starting to play like them.
Speaker 2:But here's the problem nobody like not everybody has the team and the people to do what they do, so now everybody's just raining threes down, and this has been a thing in the nba now because people have been talking about maybe they need to start making dunks worth more points to give people incentive to actually go to the rack, because nobody does that anymore. Everybody just keeps shooting threes. So all these games are boring. What brought people to the NBA was when you had Jordan going to the bucket.
Speaker 1:When you have LeBron being a freaking supreme athlete going to the bucket, I know, but I guess when Curry was doing it before it was more impressive.
Speaker 2:It was magical, he was the one right, and now that him and Dame I would say Dame too, with his crazy range Dame was more impressive when it was that time. Right Of hey.
Speaker 1:I got 20 seconds left Even.
Speaker 2:John Morant doesn't go to the basket anymore. John Morant is not trying to risk his body to go dunk in people's faces.
Speaker 1:You know who does. That's what brings people to the NBA. You who does, but that's what brings people to the NBA. You know who does. Who's that? That boy, anthony Edwards. Even him.
Speaker 2:That boy can't shoot. You've seen his numbers. He's getting better, agreed.
Speaker 1:He's getting better, but I can recall the last game I watched, the Timberwolves game. I'm going to be honest with you the last game I watched, the Timberwolves game. You know what I saw. I saw him get up there. You know what I saw I saw him get up there?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure, but he's 22.
Speaker 1:Like he's very, very young, he's 22 and he is 6'8". Right, he is that big. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So like that it's. So now the people are talking about how do you bring the athleticism back to where you want players to do that. You can't, because the three point, the three ball has. Oh, maybe you should take the corner threes out, because the corner threes are so much shorter.
Speaker 1:Take away the corner threes and let it be an actual arc. So it makes the three-point percentages a lot lower because you don't have those easy corner threes.
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe extending the three-point line, making it a little deeper. Extending it.
Speaker 1:But again, even then you have shooters that are like, hey, they want to do it. That's the thing. You have a guy like Curry.
Speaker 2:He's like I've been shooting from that far behind the line. Anyway, this don't change for me. What makes it worse is that you have the big men that don't want to play like big men. Yeah, you have Jokic, who's like, he plays like a big man. He hits his threes every once in a while, but he's never attached to the three like that right. But you have all these other big men that don't necessarily want to bang in the inside. They don't want to do that. It's bad in their bodies.
Speaker 1:So that's why people are starting to be bored in the NBA Because every game looks the same. You say that and Joel Embiid's injured every season.
Speaker 2:He's the one dude that does play like that. No, but even he goes through his moment In the playoffs. He doesn't want to do that at times. That's the thing, because he's always injured?
Speaker 1:No, for sure. He always gets injured inside the paint. In the paint is where he gets injured.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing. That's like players don't play as many games as they once did and they get injured more often. And when they do play, they're not playing how they probably should play. It's like all these things coming together where people don't find the NBA as interesting. Did you recall wanting to watch one game of NBA on freaking Christmas?
Speaker 1:No, because there's two NFL games on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, were there NBA games on? I had no idea, because the NFL took over for two games that were both blows. So guess what? We were all watching? They destroyed, they destroyed and they put a Beyonce concert in the middle and then next thing, you know, everybody's watching the NBA gets taken over.
Speaker 1:I can't say I have watched more baseball games than I have.
Speaker 2:Me too.
Speaker 1:Me too, but again, we're probably over the minority on that one, yes, but that's the thing.
Speaker 2:I think baseball has gotten more views, since it's been shorter.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure I can sit down and watch a game.
Speaker 2:Baseball has made a lot more changes. That makes the game more palatable on a gaming game and the nba is kind of going different way. It was so palatable before because it was so different and it was that it had its niche. But now that the, the gameplay is actually starting to be a lot different. It's some people are getting turned off, so like I don't want to sit here and watch the bulls.
Speaker 2:They think they said the bulls like attempted like 50 something threes in a game a couple weeks ago like why would the bulls ever attempt that many threes?
Speaker 1:in a football game. I did attempt to watch the Chicago Bulls game. My first thing is holy shit, we're going to hold the ball for 25 seconds. We're about to hold this ball for all 24 of those fucking seconds Right.
Speaker 2:So like everybody's sitting there trying to like play the same way, that's not the case. Like some teams can shoot threes, like Golden State.
Speaker 1:Some teams have to get to the rock and play. You don't have the different styles of the NBA like you used to. I don't know Bryce James going to be going to Arizona no, it's.
Speaker 2:Bryce, Bryce, I'm with it. Bryce going to Arizona. Good for him all that. Stay in college for two years. Stay in college. Don't let your father try to draft you, because that only puts a target on your back.
Speaker 1:He will try to draft you. I'm not going to go to the capitol. I think that's what he's waiting for.
Speaker 2:That is what it is, man. I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's a reason why we don't talk a lot about basketball while the NFL season is going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's 40. Legit 40 now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He just turned 40 on the 28th or something like that. Him and Tiger were born the same day. Crazy Him and Tiger Woods. It's crazy. They have a lot of greatness on the same day.
Speaker 1:But yeah, less allegations.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:All right. I can wait two more years. What I can wait? Two more years. Bryce graduate. Will Bryce get two more, two years of basketball?
Speaker 2:Because if Bryce didn't, I think Bryce physically can play to where he. I don't think he'll need two years.
Speaker 1:No, I think he'll catch up.
Speaker 2:Because, honestly, if you have talent, you have the size, you can go. You can go to the nba because you're going to get better coaching and you're getting like there is something to in. Why would you stay in college basketball if you already have the size? Just come learn the nba game now, because there are a lot of differences between the, the nba, the college game in the nba, in a way that in n football they need you to physically get stronger Even if you come in, because obviously not always coming looking like Jeremiah Smith, we'll get to him later. Now everybody's coming in being six, three, two, twenty five filled out. You need three years in college football to fill out, become physically stronger and then you get to go to the NFL where there is a, there is a, there is a learning curves but it's not as many styles Fucking six".
Speaker 1:Right, that's a fucking 17-year-old. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Sonny Stiles is going to probably play again next year at Ohio State because he switched to linebacker starting this year, so he's in another year of learning linebacker where he's really good at it.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. I'll try to have that big nigga play safety, safety.
Speaker 2:but I just think it was eventually he was going to be have to be a linebacker dude, you're six foot six right, he's too big what are we gonna do with? It was a problem with the fact that he was. He was trying so hard to keep off weight, like because he's filling out like he's. He just just playing normally he's. He's a heavier dude, so you can't sit there and like starve yourself all the time to try to stay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't keep up the eating you need to do and keep off the same weight your body is meant to maintain, the weight. Because when I saw him playing safety his first year, he could play fucking safety.
Speaker 2:That boy was good at safety. He's like Buda Baker. He's just all around the football field just making plays. Yes, but I just think, with the size that he has, with the way he's filling out, he had to play linebacker and it finally happened.
Speaker 1:It was the same problem. Logan Wilson same thing.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:He got to the NFL and he couldn't keep weight off because he was 6'5" and trying to play strong safety.
Speaker 2:Right, not to mention once Caleb Downs came. Somebody's going to have to move, and it was going to be Sonny Stiles. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That's kind of like Thomas says Ryan ain't going, bro, it's Caleb Downs bro, Come on, You're good, You're very good he went to Nick Saban's defense and played as a freshman, no questions asked.
Speaker 2:He's going to come here and dominate. We need somebody to move, and it's going to be you Again.
Speaker 1:We should have done this before, but this is the reason we have to move you now like the first six, seven games.
Speaker 2:he was struggling a little bit, but seeing him play against Oregon he was tracking everybody down.
Speaker 1:Learning curve.
Speaker 2:It's a learning curve, man. It's different because you have to, you don't because at the safety spot, everything.
Speaker 1:You have the view of everything, the full scope, but at linebacker you have to track these guys as they're coming back. Everything's happening so much faster.
Speaker 2:You have to read the line of scrimmage differently. You have to be able to fill gaps or have to cover running backs.
Speaker 1:You've got to know exactly where you're going as soon as it happens.
Speaker 2:And now he's starting to get to a point, now where he's starting to click and him and Simon are literally destroyed.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you. Having a converted safety, that's a linebacker's fire.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:Logan Wilson.
Speaker 2:He's been hurt Because they have a different understanding of the whole defense. I miss him so much.
Speaker 1:I miss him so much he's been hurt the last like four weeks and it fucking shows.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Because God damn is everybody else's ass. I noticed Logan Wilson in the first game. He was gone. I was like who is this trash motherfucker that just let up a four-yard touchdown? That guy's black. Logan Wilson's a white man from Wyoming.
Speaker 2:Understanding is like half the battle, man.
Speaker 1:It was the same thing with Logan Wilson. The first couple weeks he was just kind of struggling but, they kept him out there, and now he is easily one of the best middle linebackers in the NFL, right, because, god damn, he can track anybody. He's so good. I miss him so much. I hope he plays. We'll see All right. Pat Frymuth will fucking murder us.
Speaker 2:He's been on a tear and I don't want him Pat.
Speaker 1:Frymuth. He's been the most consistent offensive player for the last four weeks. Yeah, najee's had under 10 carries for weeks now.
Speaker 2:I feel like the last couple games. Again, we're getting on. We're supposed to talk about football first, but we'll just keep going.
Speaker 1:Let's just cut this and just talk about football.
Speaker 2:All right. So college football We'll start with that. All the quarterfinal games have now happened. It took a little bit longer, which is why we probably didn't record yesterday. We wanted to.
Speaker 2:It was because one of the games got postponed. All the you know guy wants to get in a truck and ruin a lot of people's lives. Did that Terrible person? Terrible people, life sucks. Did you not know? That was why it was postponed.
Speaker 2:There's a guy who just got in a truck and started running people over in New Orleans. He killed 10 people no, killed 15 and injured like another 20. Just started driving through the streets of New Orleans and just killed a bunch of people and, not to mention, there were bomb threats that were going on. They had to check the stadium multiple times for bombs. It was a whole thing in New Orleans and that's why it got postponed for like 24 hours and they ended up playing yesterday. You had no idea yeah, that's like all they were talking about on. That was new year's day, when those games are going on two games earlier in the day how all that happened. But yeah, it was a crazy, whole crazy type of day, because I was supposed to be, I was happy with that same time I was like disappointed. I'm sitting there like. This is like people can't just go enjoy their time to go watch a football game and they people are getting slaughtered by a truck crazy new orleans is never hosting a game again it again.
Speaker 2:They did 24 hours later. It was fine, but a lot of people left because obviously neither they. They didn't feel safe, or they're like hey, I have a real life to go back to, I can't stay here and stay an extra day. I got to go home or I had a flight already and I can't move it right, so it definitely messed up the vibe a little bit there, but again it was a decent game. The game wasn't great.
Speaker 1:The game wasn't the best game.
Speaker 2:It wasn't All right. Let's start with the first one. Boys, this is the New Year's Eve game. Penn State Boise State. Penn State plays their food a bit, but they do finish off the job. Finish off Boise State 31-14. It was a pretty big route. Boise State could not run the football. Ashton Gentry only had like 97 yards. I think they said he was like 27 yards off of the actual record for the whole season, for the single season record.
Speaker 1:It excludes bowl games, though.
Speaker 2:I know, but he could have hit the number, but he was like 27 yards off, I know, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1:He got those yards in spite of how bad his offense was. Oh no.
Speaker 2:Penn State literally just said hey, we are going to make sure you can't run the football. Can you make plays outside? And they couldn't. Boise State could not do that whatsoever, Would their quarterback do two, three interceptions. Yeah, yeah, no, he had three picks. Madsen threw him he still threw for 300 yards. It did yes.
Speaker 1:But they just could not get in the end zone. But this game showed that, holy shit, boise is not good Outside of Ashton Gentry. That was it. They had nothing else on that team.
Speaker 2:Their defense actually played decently. But here's the problem. Penn state was playing like I guess I'm playing with their food. How do they let drew aller throw the football 25 times when katron allen had 17 carries for 134 yards. Nicholas singleton at 87 yards off 12 carries. They ran the football for over 216 yards in this game. They didn't run the football enough. Why did they let him throw the football like they did? Why did you let him throw?
Speaker 1:the ball. He had three touchdowns.
Speaker 2:He had three touchdowns. I get it, he had three easy plays, but like, if they would have just ran the football like they probably should have, this game could have been so much cleaner and like Should have been so much cleaner. It should have been so much easier than what it was, because they just kept throwing the football around when they really don't have the athletes to their. Wide receivers aren't great, they don't have the wide receiver core to sit there and throw football around like that. They can't play like Ohio State. They can't. Not a lot of teams can right now, but you just don't have that type of team. So when you so easily physically dominate a team, why don't you just lean into that?
Speaker 2:Again, same thing with Ohio State. Why would you sit there and play Michigan's game against Michigan and lose? And then now they realize, hey, we should just become the monster that kills everybody throwing the football around. And now they've learned their lesson and they look like the best team in college football. So, but again, penn State, they have the easiest draw, they've taken advantage of it, made it look pretty easy and heck, now they've got to play Notre Dame Two. Very like that game might end up being the exact same as what the Georgia game ended up being, but I think both offenses are a taboo. Penn State's offense is better, but I don't know the fact that Penn State has had such an easy draw. I think Penn State's a better team than Notre Dame, but is there a chance that Penn State's not ready for this type of game against a team that actually can physically muscle with them To where I think that game might be a lot tougher, even though I think Penn State's probably the better team?
Speaker 2:I agree, because they had such an easy draw is that maybe they were healthier, but they lost. I think Penn State may have a slightly easier time scoring yeah, but Notre Dame's secondary is actually very good.
Speaker 1:I agree, but Penn State can run the ball. They have two guys that can run the ball pretty efficiently. Yeah, In the way that I think I watched Notre Dame's offense it is subpar. Their quarterback is hot fucking garbage.
Speaker 2:That's like the last game we'll talk about.
Speaker 1:I watched him.
Speaker 2:But he threw the ball for 90 yards.
Speaker 1:Dude, I legit— I watched a play. He snaps it, goes to turn total receiver. He fucking sails that bitch Like he is not good.
Speaker 2:He's not going to throw the football at all. He threw the ball at 90 yards.
Speaker 1:He threw the complete completed 15 passes, 90 yards and a touchdown. Let's check down, check down, check down, check down, check down.
Speaker 2:Like you can't throw the ball. He ran the ball for 80 yards so like that is what they that quarterback is there to do is run the football and be gritty and do all that. But I just that offense was just putrid to watch if they didn't get those couple big plays. They got the punt return. The was that kickoff return touchdown return.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a kickoff return.
Speaker 2:It's literally turn out we'll just get. Let's talk about the game now. There's really not a lot to talk about. Notre Dame, georgia Notre Dame wins that game 23 to 10.
Speaker 2:Literally the difference in this game was Georgia fumbles the ball in their, in their own territory, giving giving Notre Dame that touchdown before the half and then in the set, literally the start of the second half, they get a kicker turn touchdown that they ended up scoring those 14 points in the middle of the game and that was all they needed. Literally that was the difference in this game because Georgia was so bad offensively. I can say Gunnar Stockton, not terrible, but he was running for his life the whole game and you can tell he's not terrible, but he was running for his life the whole game and you can tell there's like he's not terrible but he's not a great passer, like for what he was. I thought he was a little better than what I thought he'd be, but he was running for his life. They could not protect him whatsoever. Notre Dame's defensive line was destroying Georgia's offensive line, like it wasn't close, and then their wide receivers kept dropping passes over and over and there was like one big pass, like as there was a deep pass down the field that they could have had. Wide receiver just drops it, straits drops it, he's by himself. It would have been a touchdown. So, like this Georgia team is not the same Georgia team of years past.
Speaker 2:And I think this one might be the final nail. And like not the final nail because Texas is still here, but like they kept complaining how the SEC is so good and they should be getting more teams in the playoff. But every team that's gone and played in the playoff has not really had a great showing, even Texas. Even in their win We'll talk about that in a second they didn't look impressive. Not to mention the teams that you were fighting to try to get into the playoff. South Carolina lost in a bowl game to freaking Illinois. You have Alabama losing to Michigan and then you have, I think, ole Miss won.
Speaker 2:Ole Miss did win against Duke, but that's Duke, that's Duke, that's a basketball school, so like that's not really something to put a feather in your cap for. You should have made the playoff because you beat Duke. That's funny how that goes, but it's just. This Georgia team was not good. I don't even think having their main quarterback was going to really change this game, because they were just so out-physicaled in those big plays. That happened for Notre Dame. It is what it was, and there was a point where Notre Dame, all they had to do, kept running the football down Georgia's throat, so they really did out Georgia, georgia in this game. It was a very boring game. Neither offense really could do all that much, but Notre Dame got a little bit more and they won. And I will have to give Freeman, the coach for Notre Dame, his credit because I think he outcoached Kirby in this game. Did you see the one play where they started out kicking and then?
Speaker 2:they brought the whole offense onto the field, forcing Kirby to then bring his whole defense on, and they got the. I'm not sure if that was neutral zone infraction or not, because the wide receiver moved first. That should have been a false start. Let alone I'm not sure if the defensive end actually got into the neutral zone or he just moved and the official just overreacted.
Speaker 1:No, he was well into the neutral zone.
Speaker 2:Okay, maybe not, but that wide receiver moved first that should have been a false start.
Speaker 1:I do know Kirby Smith was all fucking upset about it, like, oh, they can't do that. You didn't see that clip on the sideline Moving all 11 at once yeah, you're allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:You are allowed to do that. I think he was talking about how the SEC officials told them they couldn't do that. It was like one of those things like unwritten rules, but guess what, you don't have SEC officials doing this game. It was ACC. So I'm like come on, you have to deal with those rules. Same thing with Ohio State. When Oregon did what they did, they got away with it that one time and you got got, you got got.
Speaker 2:Exactly so it's going to happen. It is what it is, but again, it shouldn't have never been that close. If you were the Georgia team that you think that you are, that the SEC claims that you are and they weren't, that it seems. Every team that got the bye lost. It didn't help that Boise and Arizona State were two of those teams, but every team that got the bye managed to lose to the team that ended up having to play one game in the playoff already. But yeah, notre Dame-Georgia, notre Dame, georgia, notre Dame congrats to them. They did their job, won that game and Georgia, they're just not the same team. It is what it is. Next game this was the big one, this was supposed to be the big one. No, no, no, we'll talk about Texas-Arizona State. We'll talk about Texas-Arizona State.
Speaker 2:Before we get to that, texas beats Arizona State 39-31. This game was insane because, literally, arizona State got the ball first and managed to have a really good drive, get three points out of it. They got into the red zone, couldn't score. Fine, Got three points out of it. They're up 3-0. You think, as the Arizona State, you're like oh, this is a good start, We'll play defense, we'll stop Texas from doing it. Texas scores in two plays. We'll stop Texas from doing it. Texas scores in two plays and then on the next drive Arizona State has to kick the ball off and then Texas gets a punt return touchdown. So then they're up 14-3 in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2:I'm talking this game was barely started and they're up 14-3. And literally in the middle of that game they really couldn't do anything. Arizona State scored like five points in the third quarter with a safety, because they got into the red zone, tried to run the football with Cam Scadaboo four times and they couldn't get into the end zone. And then Texas has the ball on their own two-yard line and then it was a fumble. So they ended up getting a safety. And then they got another three points in that third quarter. So we're talking it was in the third. It was 17 to 5. And then the fourth quarter. Arizona state then score 16 points to texas. Seven manages to tie the game. Can I give you cam scataboo's uh stats for this game?
Speaker 1:didn't have like 148, 42 yards rushing a touchdown 143 rushing and two touchdowns and then he had, I think, like 73 receiving he had 99 yards, receiving off eight carries.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then he also had a 42 yard touchdown pass real quick.
Speaker 2:Scataboo is also their entire offense I know I will give their quarterback some credit because they were missing their best wide receiver and he was getting outside the pocket trying to make some plays because they really their wide receivers really were nothing in this game. They didn't have any type of weapons that you really had to be. Their tight end was actually decently good, um, but their wide receivers really nothing, just nothing to worry about whatsoever. And he was trying to make some plays, extending the play, getting it out when he could. So he tried.
Speaker 2:I think that quarterbacks actually end up being an NFL guy by the time he's done in college football but, like Cam Scadaboo ended up being their whole offense and in the first three quarters, when they really couldn't do anything, they would move the ball into the red zone and just can't score. That was the difference in this game. They kept getting into the red zone and they just couldn't score whatsoever, and I think that was the difference in this game, and they still had a chance to win. In the fourth quarter. They ended up being all tied up and Arizona State gets the ball back. They're going down the field. They're playing well.
Speaker 2:Cam Scadaboo, did you see the part where he was puking on the sideline. He's playing terribly. He ends up puking on the sideline and then he ends up coming back and you can just tell he can only play a couple plays at a time and he'll have to go out to get rest or something like that. No, I was saying like was he drinking the night before and all that. But he's like no, I don't drink, but like he was like struggling because he never had to play this much, because everybody during the season right, and not to mention you're playing against Texas, a lot bigger team.
Speaker 1:A lot better team the way that he runs.
Speaker 2:He's trying to run people over. He's not running away from anybody.
Speaker 1:I did notice that his change in running. He was much more directional of I'm trying to get away from people.
Speaker 2:Right, because when you're facing those bigger dudes, they're just as big as they are and they don't hurt you.
Speaker 1:They're bigger than you. They're bigger than you. He's only 5, he's like 5, 6, 5, 7.
Speaker 2:He's not a big guy. He's probably going to get drafted Because he just runs that physically and I have to give this guy With that credit. He didn't do a lot For three quarters but then he started waking up In that fourth, did all that, ran for as many yards as he did, got those touchdowns Like he was an awesome winning. He was in the Heisman odds. He definitely showed why he was supposed to be there. But I think this Texas team, with the strong start that they had and then the fact that you let Arizona State get back into this game, quinn Ewers ended up playing great by the end of the game. But he did throw the one pick you couldn't throw in the fourth quarter. That gave Arizona State the ball to be able to come down and tie the game. So he threw the one pick you couldn't have.
Speaker 2:And like, going back to that last drive, arizona State's taking the football down the field and one of their wide receivers gets absolutely destroyed. Helmet to helmet contact and the officials go in review because they didn't call it on the field but then the guy is laying down unconscious because he just got hit in the face by the defensive back and they're like, oh, we're going to look at it and see if it's targeting. And they say it's not targeting, when it had everything there for targeting. I think those refs looked at that game and said, hey, we're not going to be the reason that Texas loses this football game. I truly have a feeling that if that play would have happened in the first, second or third quarter, they would have called it. I have a feeling if that call was being made for Texas, if there was a Texas player laying on the ground and they were playing offense and they got hit like that, they would have called it no-transcript, have gotten the field goal and won the game in regulation. But those refs decided to not go by that and that part sucked because that was definitely targeting and you should not be calling games like this to where? If it's something that is very black and white, it'd be one thing if you called it on the field and then decided, oh, it's not that. But you sell like, oh, there's something here, you look at it, it's very black and white. Once you start reviewing it, it's about did it happen or did not? And targeting did happen and that's the part that sucked about it. Arizona state would have won if it's not that had if that had happened. But it ended up going overtime and texas managed to score.
Speaker 2:Like quinn ewers was a was he was a dog in this game. He ended up running for a touchdown in this game. He threw like a very good touchdown pass where he was, where their wide receiver was covered by a safety and the safety just let him pass him like why do you let that happen? It was a wide-open touchdown for them. Matthew Golden for Texas very good, seven recepts, 149 yards and a touchdown. He was very good. But it's just. This Texas team is very underwhelming Offensively. They can go into spurts but then they can play like trash for most of the game and their defense could not stop Arizona. Arizona in total, right, I think. Do you want to know the yardage differences here? Yeah, arizona State had 500 yards of offense to Texas 375 damn.
Speaker 2:Arizona State had 29 first downs in this game. Arizona State held on to the football for close to 40 minutes. Arizona State dominated every part of this game, except for the fact they could not score in the red zone. That was the difference. If they could manage to get more points in the red zone, they would have won this game going away. But they couldn't do that because it's shorter space, they try to run the football too much and they don't have wide receivers that you can count on to catch the ball when you need to, especially in those short, short spaces. So, with all that being the case, texas got the win, but I think people feel a lot worse about Texas now coming out of the game than they did even before the game. So I would say this is probably the. This is the best game of the playoff so far, because every other game has practically been a has been a blowout for the most part, probably excluding the Notre Dame and Georgia game, but but even that one felt like it was just a groggy mess. It was not really a great game. But yeah, arizona State showed they were worthy to be in the playoff, even if it was because Texas played terribly. But I have to give Arizona State their credit. They showed out Cam Scadaboo he talks all of his mess. He came out and showed out and he played very well. Well, a lot of credit to them. And they had. They played a very good game. And, last but not least, ohio State Oregon.
Speaker 2:This was supposed to be the best game of the whole playoff. This was supposed to be a rematch of the first one where, it came down to the last moment, oregon won by one point in their home stadium. This game was over by the end of the first quarter. Ohio State came into this game and said hey, we have Jeremiah Smith on our side, let's use him. They did it in the first game too, but they put that on overdrive in this game. They got the ball first and scored in two plays, gave a short little pass to Jeremiah Smith and he runs for like an 80-yard touchdown pass Sorry, it was a three-play drive, my bad and he runs for a 45-yard touchdown and we score that seven points very early. Okay, oregon gets the ball back, cool, fine. Oregon gets the ball Three and out, gives the ball back to Ohio State. Ohio State then has to punt, but then Ohio State gets the ball again and they score in two plays and, sorry, another three plays. It was a 42-yard touchdown pass to Emeka Igbuka. There was a point where Ohio State was up 34-0 in this game. It took Oregon to score eight points at the end of the second quarter and then they scored again at the start of the third quarter to make it 34-15, to make the game felt like, oh, oregon could have a shot to get back into this game if they want to. But by that point Ohio State ended up scoring again in that game in the third quarter that put themselves up 41-15, and then the game was practically over. By that point Ohio State ended up scoring again in that game in the third quarter that put themselves up 41 to 15. And then the game was practically over. By that point Oregon fans were leaving and it was a route man. I think Ohio State has decided throughout this. After that Michigan game and before Tennessee, they said we are done trying to bang our head against the wall and doing the thing that makes us worse. We have McLarens, we have freaking Ferraris in the garage. We're going to drive them.
Speaker 2:Jeremiah Smith had seven receptions, 187 yards and two touchdowns. He's a freaking cheat code. At this point. It's like one of those little cheat buttons you just keep hitting when you're playing on PC and the good things just start to happen. Every time they threw to him, it doesn't matter if he was single covered, double covered, he made a pass, he made a play. When he was triple covered, there was three different Oregon players looking at him and he lost all three of them. And on that play the one defensive player got up and did the incomplete sign because he's like there's no way he caught that Jeremiah Smith is just passing it back to the referee and dogging back to that huddle because he did. He was that big of a monster in this game.
Speaker 2:Will howard 17 to 26, 319 yards and three touchdowns. Monster travion henderson eight carries, 94 yards and two touchdowns. You have quinn sean judkin 17 carries, 85 yards it was. I think ohio state has decided in this game they're going to start to pass the ball, to open up the run, and I feel like Ryan Day, with the opportunity for him to not have to worry about doing other stuff, only worrying about ball, I think him and Chip Kelly really came together Ryan Day with the passing game, chip Kelly with the running game. They've come together and created an offense that is nearly impossible to play against, especially when you have Jeremiah Smith and Emeka Ibuka on this team. They're playing perfectly right now. Their defense is an absolute monster.
Speaker 2:I think Caleb Downs we mentioned him earlier. Caleb Downs is playing like a perfect mix of freaking Ed Reed and Troy Palomalu all in one, I think, pretty much this whole game. They just told him to sit in the middle of the defense and just do what you want. If you feel where the play is going to go, go where you want to go. They let him play the middle field of this defense and they were playing a three-safety system, having two safeties over top, and they were just letting him not even play linebacker. He's just doing whatever he wants and our linebackers are playing great.
Speaker 2:We got after dylan gabriel. We didn't sack dylan gabriel one time in the first time we played them. We sacked him eight times in this game. Our defensive line was getting a ton of pressure on him. He wasn't even when he got like he got some plays off, but for the most part he was sitting back there patting the ball because there's nobody to throw to and there was a lot of coverage sacks for that Every time he thought he was going to extend a play, we had Cody Simon coming in and he was literally matching him step for step, and once he thought he was going to try to run, cody Simon was coming in attacking him. He had a couple sacks. Why am I forgetting Jack Sawyer? He had a couple sacks in this game. This game.
Speaker 1:Jack Sawyer and JT both had two Right. Cody Simon had two JT had been disappearing in big games. He disappeared at Oregon the first time, but not the second time, not this time, man.
Speaker 2:Ohio State has shown that they are willing to become the monsters. Now they want to just nuke everybody from the start of the game.
Speaker 1:They played how they're supposed to.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You guys can run the football. It's just Oregon has a good defensive line, right, you don't take the ball and go run straight at them like you did last game. Exactly.
Speaker 2:They decided you did what worked Right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to throw the ball up.
Speaker 2:And this is why I made this case to Fonzo when I was talking to this little text thing. I'm in for the Ohio State. I think if somebody with a crystal ball before the Michigan game told me that, hey, you have to lose this game to get what I'm getting now, I would pay that price every single time Because I would make a very big case that if we were playing how we were playing before, where our offense wasn't playing all that efficiently, we are running into a brick wall and just not doing what we're doing right now. I don't think we would have made these changes if we didn't lose that game to Michigan. I think if we would have managed to pull that game out and we would have won that game by three points, ohio State would have been happy, ryan Day would have been great. The fans would have been fat and happy like, oh, we finally beat Michigan and I don't think they really would have fixed the issues that they had in those last four games. Going into that michigan game and I think in the 50 in 50 years, if this run ends up ending how I want it to end and ohio state wins a national championship, I won't give a fuck about what happened against michigan, because a national title is means a lot more to me than michigan does and I get.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's because I my fandom started when we were losing to lsu and to freaking Florida in the national championship game when the whole narrative started that the Ohio State can't beat the SEC. That's literally when it started in my fandom. That's what I had to get made fun of for was that Ohio State can't play the big boys in the SEC. So now I want titles as much as I want to beat Michigan. As much as it hurts when we lose to Michigan, the being able to have this title will be so sweet that Michigan would not matter whatsoever. This joy that I've had these last two games is so much joy that it would never been matched if we had beat Michigan by a hundred. I'm saying, with what I feel with these last two games, right, I don't think we're getting the team we're getting right now. We're not getting the Ryan Day we're getting right now if we didn't lose that game against Michigan, and I just think that what this team is now is because of that and I think to a certain extent we'll have to thank Michigan for kind of giving us that L, to be able to say, hey, everything's not fine and, dandy, you can't just sit there and not change the things you need to change and expect for it just to work. I think Ohio State has learned that lesson. The players have learned that lesson and they just decided, hey, we're just going to go ahead and start nuking everybody from the start, every single game. No more slow starts. We're going to nuke you and then we're going to be fat and happy in the third quarter laughing at you while you're trying to catch up. That's what Ohio State is going to be playing like now. And if they keep playing like this in the next couple of games, when we play Texas next game and I don't even care who plays in the championship game, because I think they'll be worse than whoever, worse than Texas and worse than Oregon I think Ohio State will be hoisting a national championship trophy and I think I'll be very happy to see it.
Speaker 2:Jeremiah Smith is a freaking monster, like I've been saying it all year, but it's only it feels. It feels like he's. He now has a national type of voice. Now everybody's talking about how great he is as a freshman. Everybody knows how great he is and now he has this. He's still playing at Ohio State for the next two years. If he's already this good, now what happens when he truly knows everything he's doing from a minute detail standpoint, when Brian Hartline literally drills into him how he runs his routes, reading defenses what's gonna? What is he gonna look like in two years? He'd be a top five pick right now if he came out into the draft like this. Dude is the truth, and emeka buka is awesome, and I think brian hartline has.
Speaker 2:I I also made the point. I think brian hartline made a deal with the devil to get a guy like him in his room, because this isn't like. A guy like this should not exist in football. He was perfectly built for this moment and to be the Ohio State wide receiver that's going to lead us to glory, hopefully this season and then, if not, for the next two years, he's going to be playing great for Ohio State and then he's going to go to the NFL and I truly believe, health notwithwithstanding, he'll have a gold jacket on by the end of it too. Like he is that good right now.
Speaker 2:So the fact that they've decided, hey, we're gonna, we have this guy on our team, we should use him. Great thing, and I think it opens it up for everything else on the offense and our defense is absolutely playing amazing. Safety is playing. Like I said, caleb down is probably the best defensive player in football. We're getting sacks, we're playing very good coverage and we're just nuking everybody from start to finish and I'm very, I'm a I'm a very happy guy right now and we'll see in 10 days when we have to face texas, uh, next friday. So you know, it's a very, very good run that ohio state's having. I hope it ends up ends in a championship and I won't even care what happened against Michigan this year. Say something ignorant, go ahead. Or say something to clown me, go ahead.
Speaker 1:My team didn't make a bowl game. I don't give a fuck about college football.
Speaker 2:Okay. Am I crazy? Am I going too far now? Or am I crazy by saying that Ohio State is the best team left in the playoff now?
Speaker 1:I told you before, whoever won this game won the national championship. The rest of these teams aren't that good or they're injured. Texas is the next best team. It has already been proven Penn State can't beat you.
Speaker 2:And we're better now than when we faced them last time.
Speaker 1:And Notre Dame can't beat Penn State.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you?
Speaker 1:I doubt. Notre Dame beats Penn State? I doubt.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame beats Penn State? I doubt too. I doubt it too.
Speaker 1:So if one of these teams can't beat you and the other one ain't as good as the other team, what are we going to do?
Speaker 2:And I think we're going to destroy Texas because Texas is not good enough offensively. They have the people, but do they have a cornerback that can stop Jeremiah Smith? No, they. Their defensive line is very good, they're awesome, right. But Oregon had a great defensive line. So did Tennessee, apparently.
Speaker 2:But Ohio State's not going to sit there and do what they did against Michigan and just try to run into a brick wall. They're going to make you worry about the guys we have on the outside, and then it's going to open up the run game for them too. And when that happens, travion Henderson is running away from everybody On that 66-yard yard touchdown run. Travion run, hit the corner and then nobody could. He's hitting the rocket. Rocket boost on in his, in his legs and nobody can catch him. Everything is opening up right now. Everybody's playing great football.
Speaker 2:Will Howard everybody talks about the oops. He plays Will Howard. He has played a perfect two games and I don't need him to see keep playing being perfect because, guess what, we still have all these guys on our team that can help him around him. But he's even elevating his play in these last two games. So like, if we keep playing like this, there's nobody left in this field that can beat us and we're going to keep destroying everybody.
Speaker 2:So, again, if I know, some Ohio State fans that may listen to this or may not would think I'm crazy for saying what I did about being happy to lose the Michigan if this is what we get out of it. But because, honestly, at the end of the day, if I have to weigh what is more important to me, national title is more important to me At the end of the day, that's the goal. That's the goal that everybody has. I get it with Michigan as a part of it, and I'll be happy when we beat Michigan again. But a national title will definitely satiate any type of pain that not beating Michigan is giving me. It is what it is.
Speaker 2:So that's it for the college football playoff. Those semifinal games are going to happen in the next 10 days or so, so we'll definitely go more into how we feel about those games next week. So let's go ahead and get off of that. Let's go ahead and talk about some NFL stuff, because we have plenty of games to talk about. We're going to an NFL game tomorrow. Ohio State and no sorry, pittsburgh and Cincinnati are playing tomorrow night.
Speaker 1:We won't even be able to watch Ravens-Browns, because we'll be on the road.
Speaker 2:I'll just play it on my phone. Yeah, I got Hulu. I'll play it on my phone. Out in the middle of buttfuck nowhere. Yeah, there's 5G everywhere. Hopefully you ever been to Lancaster? Yes, I can promise you there ain't fucking 5G out there. We'll try, but yeah, you're right, we'll probably won't Again. Do you know Baltimore's a 20-point favorite?
Speaker 1:That doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2:If you want to bet on Baltimore, you have to bet on Baltimore, you have to bet 20 points.
Speaker 1:Have you seen DTR?
Speaker 2:So bad.
Speaker 1:So bad. I'm convinced they put him in because they have learned this dude is ass. Maybe he'd work when he's moving around.
Speaker 2:he ain't going to have that on the run. I think they decided that Jameis was making too many mistakes. We're like, hey, we want to lose these games. Anyway, dtr were definitely he won't be as crazy. These games, anyway, dtr were definitely he won't be as great, it won't be as like.
Speaker 1:There's no chance we win this game with him. Right Jameis, go out there and throw three touchdowns at 400 yards.
Speaker 2:Right. So there's a chance. Jameis can actually get us a win. We want to tank, but Jameis is more fun. Dtr is just sad. It's just sad out there. They could not do anything for him. Offensive, they're terrible.
Speaker 1:They don't protect him. All three quarterbacks that have taken snaps in a brown uniform are within top 15 in sacked.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:All three Oof None of them played a full season, not one.
Speaker 2:DTR's only played three games.
Speaker 1:How has he been sacked 20 times? It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Three.
Speaker 1:Now, trey Hatterson did sack him four times, yeah, and the Bengals as a whole sacked him six times. That doesn't make up for the other 14. Yeah, no, you're not wrong. Dude Watson got sacked 33 times in seven games. Winston got sacked 18 times in seven games. Winston got sacked 18 times in four games. What are we doing?
Speaker 2:Their off the line is awful, their quarterbacks are awful and everything else is awful. Their defense is good.
Speaker 1:Oh, apparently Jared Judy's God, because he made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2:He's played very like Jared Judy's had it. He has like over a thousand yards. He's playing well this year but again it's because they have nobody else on that offense.
Speaker 1:He made the Pro Bowl. Tell me if this roster makes sense. Jamar Chase, cd Lamb.
Speaker 2:Okay, nope, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1:Oh, then I don't know who the fuck.
Speaker 2:CD Lamb's in the NFC.
Speaker 1:Throw my phone. Throw my phone Cause I know two of them. One of these things Are not like the other. Cause I got it? Cause the Pro Bowl Was actually Very, very good this year. Quarterbacks Daniels, darnold Goff For the NFC. That's fine. Allen Burrow.
Speaker 2:Jackson Allen Burrow.
Speaker 1:Jackson, okay, running backs, or who you would expect, henry.
Speaker 2:Mixon.
Speaker 1:Taylor for the AFC Saquon Jameer, josh Jacobs. Yep, okay, that's about right. Fullbacks are the same fullbacks. They always are.
Speaker 2:Yep Wide receivers Jamar Chase, jerry Judy, nico Collins, zay Flowers.
Speaker 1:Okay, how the fuck did Zay Flowers get here? I don't know how the fuck did Jerry Judy get here? Second thing how the fuck do none of them have more yards than Tee Higgins? Dang, I'm looking at the NFC side, I'm like oh yeah, justin Jefferson, ceedee Lamb, Terry McLaren and Aron C Brown. That makes total sense. Yeah yeah yeah, okay, nfc side, afc side Jamar Chase is the only one that I'm like, yeah that's okay, I'll say Nico too.
Speaker 2:Leading the league. A lot of stats for sure what stats he's close to leading. He's in the top five.
Speaker 1:What stats? Because, last I recall, jamar Chase is number one in touchdowns, number one in receptions.
Speaker 2:I'm saying he's close to the top Number one in yards.
Speaker 1:So what the fuck?
Speaker 2:He missed a shit ton of games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, how the fuck is? I don't think Zayn Farrar's done shit all year.
Speaker 2:He really hasn't. He's exploded the last couple games and Jared Judy is same shit.
Speaker 1:Had a couple good games. Right, you're not wrong. Neither of you have been better than George Pickens.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Y'all ain't even like, if I'm being honest with you, I could maybe get like what the fuck, dude? I'm sorry, like it does not make sense, but the rest of the list is pretty fire.
Speaker 2:Brock Bowers, Travis Kelsey were tight end Kelsey's a little shaky. It is shaky, but again they're 15-1.
Speaker 1:I know, but Mahomes ain't here and Mahomes has been very bad.
Speaker 2:Kelsey ain't been great. Do you know? Mahomes' stats is better than Josh Allen's. He doesn't have the rushing touchdowns, as Josh Allen has Agreed, but his actual quarterback stats, when it comes to throwing the football, are better than Josh Allen's. Joe Burr and Lamar Jackson, stats-wise, are just transcendent. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I would switch Kelsey out for somebody else. I am blanking on AFC tight ends right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Fryer moves up. He's been really good. He's been playing very well.
Speaker 1:I'm blanking. That is the only one I can think of. Why am I? All of it's gone? I don't know any of them.
Speaker 2:Duncan Cade's missed too many games. He doesn't have the stats for it From Buffalo.
Speaker 1:Sam Laporta. He's NFC. Oh fuck that I don't know. Trey McBride's cool, George Kittle's cool. Trey McBride has zero touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he has one, he has one, he has one. Yeah, good.
Speaker 1:Tackles, that's fine. Centers, I don't care. Guards, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Defensive ends.
Speaker 2:Miles Garrett, hendrickson Crosby that's fine, dang that's uh. Tj Watt has no sacks yeah, they've been double tripling him all year oh, wah.
Speaker 1:So is Trey Hennigson, and he still leads the league and he ain't as good as TJ Watt, and I'm sorry, tj Watt's on a better defense. Yeah, trey Hennigson's the only motherfucker on his defense.
Speaker 2:No, I also think that's part of it too. Is that there's other guys on this, on this Pittsburgh defense, that are getting sacks too Like as soon as you start doing that, the other guy is eating. So like there's, but that's the thing, oh, not to mention Cam Hayward is like Went back to being young Cam Hayward again. He also made a't look like he was drafted back in 0-fucking-9.
Speaker 1:Bro's been in the league as long as our younger brother's been alive. Yeah, I've had to deal with this man. My entire fandom. I'm tired of it. Retire.
Speaker 2:Came here was great, I'm tired of you.
Speaker 1:You had a down year last year, the first I expect you. This. Is it Nope? Nah, two-year extension. Fuck, you mean two-year extension.
Speaker 2:I thought he was done. He got that before the season even started.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:He's like all right, cool, I'll just get back to old camp.
Speaker 1:I'll be that guy. Yeah, Let me get my gold jacket ready. I'll be that guy again. Yeah yeah. Chris Jones. Nnamdi Matabuke for the Ravens makes sense, the NFC I cannot think of many very good.
Speaker 2:NFC defensive ends All of them have been very mediocre. Oh well, I would have been putting What's-His-Face for the Lions if he didn't break his leg. Aiden Hutchinson, yeah.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but you have Nick Bosa, Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2:Nick Bosa makes sense and Rashawn Gray.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Nick Bosa's been okay.
Speaker 2:No, he's been. He has sack numbers this year. I don't think he's top five For the. He's for the NFC now. I don't think he's top five for the league.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but you have to do it by AFC and NFC, so like he's probably in the top five of sacks in the NFC, I know, but has been bad.
Speaker 1:You have three really good. You have three really really. You have four really good teams. And then everybody else is kind of dooky, and then two of them are like really fucking good the Vikings and the Lions. We'll figure out who's the best Sunday. Right exactly Defensive ends Jalen Carter. Yeah, yep, dexter Lawrence absolutely yeah, v Vita. Vea Cool Cam Hayward, chris Jones.
Speaker 2:Matabuke.
Speaker 1:Matabuke, that's very good. Yep, dexter Lawrence, despite his team being garbage.
Speaker 2:Or is it Matabuke? I think it's Matabuke.
Speaker 1:No Matabuke.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think it may be Matabuke.
Speaker 2:Now that I'm thinking about it, I think it's Matabuke, I think it's. Matabuke good, dexter lawrence, despite, despite his tj watson. What are you talking about? He has an outside linebacker dude, they split it up.
Speaker 1:They split it up, lucky motherfucker, because he he has not been good this year. Um, jalen carter made it. That makes sense. Dexter lawrence despite despite his team being garbage, he's very fucking good. Um, I guess he didn't make it.
Speaker 2:Uh outside linebackers nick benito for the broncos, tj Watt and Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1:Khalil Mack has had a resurgence as well. Very good, both Vikings linebackers made it Jonathan Grenard and Andrew Van Ginkle.
Speaker 2:Yep, both very good yes.
Speaker 1:And Jared Burse.
Speaker 2:Yes for the Rams. When they drafted him they were like, oh, he's going to be a monster and he has been this year for them.
Speaker 1:Inside linebackers Fred Warner, zach Braun and Zyra.
Speaker 2:Franklin Cornerbacks, Derek Stingley, Patrick Sertain, Marlon Humphrey, Denzel Ward. I think Marlon Humphrey is the one that probably doesn't belong. I don't think he belongs with those other three, but okay, fine.
Speaker 1:Okay, real quick. We were just talking about how bad JC Horn is, and he's a pro bowler who? The fuck has he guarded Because, I'm sorry, I've only ever seen more than 20 on the Panthers. Who the fuck are you guarding? You're not wrong. Byron Murphy makes sense. Yes, I'll be honest. No one on this list Besides Byron Murphy and Devon Witherspoon Makes sense, for the NFC side Is that just me.
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying, but again A lot of bad teams in the NFC. Not that many good teams.
Speaker 1:Buda Baker, brian Branch For the NFC, kyle Hamilton, dermot James For the NFC. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Oh, minka, fitzpatrick, Minka for free safety, he's in, he's been okay this year. He's been awesome. No, I think he's been very good. I feel like he has had to put on many hats depending on for the team, but you know he's played well.
Speaker 1:You have Xavier McKinney and Minka Fitzpatrick, Xavier Fitzpatrick, Xavier McKinnon very good, you have Brandon Aubrey for the Cowboys. That's basically how they get all their points, so that makes sense. Chris Boswell for the Steelers. Chris Boswell again.
Speaker 2:Literally the best kicker in the AFC. Now I swear to.
Speaker 1:God he's been drafted. He was drafted back in fucking 2009 as well. He's been on the Steelers my entire life. He's the best kicker in. And then we don't really care about the rest of the guys. Yeah, who cares?
Speaker 2:about the rest of the guys.
Speaker 1:Long snappers. Who gives a fuck? But yeah, I'd say it was okay. Yeah, the wide receivers really get me, but the AFC side.
Speaker 2:The AFC side is perfect, but. I don't know. That's our impromptu Pro Bowl voting talk. Yeah, no fun stuff. Let's go ahead and start talking about these games now. Make our picks, do all that oh, my bad, my one.
Speaker 1:The one was thinking of Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2:Where is he at, Awesome Dude 1,100 yards, 12 tutties.
Speaker 1:Guess how far we go until we get to Zay Flowers. Between Brian Thomas Jr, who's number five, and Zay Flowers, let's see.
Speaker 2:Let's go around 15 spots 11.
Speaker 1:Zay Flowers is 16. Ladd-mcconkie, another one, was also better than Zay Flowers. Yep, there's a big-ass gap.
Speaker 2:Pickens.
Speaker 1:Jared Judy was sixth.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he's up there in stats, for sure, but he only had four touchdowns.
Speaker 1:Okay, or I can switch it.
Speaker 2:Pickens is probably in the top 15 as well, right, or am I wrong?
Speaker 1:George.
Speaker 2:Pickens yeah, he's not Not in touchdowns, but everything else he is, he's top 15 900 yards, even 900 yards.
Speaker 1:Three touchdowns he really does have no touchdowns Now.
Speaker 2:Brian Thomas Jr Is the second best Receiver in the no, Brian Thomas Jr Is receiver in the AFC. No, Brian Thomas Jr is legit. He was the second best receiver in the AFC and for most of this year he didn't even play with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1:No, he's playing with fucking Matt Jones and dude is he's eating. He's eating right now. 16 game played. He has less targets than Jim R Chase by the way. Less targets than Jared Judy. Less targets than Zay Flowers 1,179 yards, 10 touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Big play machine for that team. Dude is a beast. He's been the only good thing about that Jacksonville Jaguars team all season. He really is.
Speaker 1:Like Ladin McConkie, Garrett Wilson is above him. Cortland Sutton, I probably would have put in.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Cortland Sutton's been really good this year.
Speaker 1:Nico Collins wasn't as good as Cortland Sutton and he won't fucking have him in as good as get. No one's talking about how good Garrett Wilson is, because that team's so fucking bad yeah is it, but Garrett Wilson still has a thousand and seven touchdowns. Ladd-mcconkie also has 1054. He has one more yard than Garrett Wilson with seven touchdowns it's crazy. With better quarterback, play what you can do now, garrett Wilson does have almost as many imagine if Garrett Wilson was with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. But Garrett Wilson does almost have as many targets as Jamar Chase with a third of the yards. He does have way less yards, the people in front of him and behind him.
Speaker 2:But again, aaron Rodgers has been awful though.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but the people in front of him and behind him have less targets almost as many yards.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure I'm saying it's not about him. I think it's about how bad his team is and how bad Aaron Rodgers has been this year. People are totally believing that Aaron Rodgers is going to be close to what he once was. He's been awful, he's been zero.
Speaker 1:It's been like 40% of what he was. He really has 1,100 yards. He's awesome.
Speaker 2:He broke all the tight end rookie tight end records for catches yards. I think he's close to doing it for touchdowns. He's been a monster this year, man. He's probably the best tight end in the NFL right now. No questions asked.
Speaker 1:Jonu Smith was the other tight end I was thinking of.
Speaker 2:Oh for Miami. Yeah, he's been pretty good too. With the way they've changed their offense to be more of a quick hitting type of offense.
Speaker 1:Jonu Smith has fit in.
Speaker 2:Jonu Smith has fit in and he's been a very big weapon for that offense 7'7" 828 yards. Yeah, he's been awesome.
Speaker 1:He's been very good too, he has been, but I just think there's people better than Cortland Sutton, who's kind of a snub, and then Brian Thomas Jr not being here. Fuck, if he's a rookie, he's that good. No, he's been very good. Garrett Wilson the same thing. Yep, they should have gotten.
Speaker 2:I know it's a fan vote. No, it's not just a fan, it's fan. And then players, and then coaches. I think All right then.
Speaker 1:Whoever voted for Jerry Judy needs to sit down and be like damn.
Speaker 2:He is third, but he's been very productive without the touchdowns, but other than that he's been very productive A lot of catches, a lot of yards. So when it comes to our picks that we have to make now, we've been awesome this year. We've been making our picks 47 drops, okay, but again, that makes it that much crazier that he has that many drops and he's still as effective as he is. Imagine if he didn't drop that many. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying you have 132 targets and only 74 receptions. Something don't add up, bro.
Speaker 2:It's probably not that many drops. It's probably defective passes, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:It has the drops right here. Oh, okay, it has drops. Jamar Chase has 161 targets 117 receptions with 15 drops. 15 for 161 targets 117 receptions with 15 drops, 15 for 161, that's like 5%. Okay, that's pretty good. Right Looking at like a 35% drop percentage. He going to drop that bitch. Sorry, I hate Jared Judy, he ain't that fucking good.
Speaker 2:Our picks Straight up, not using the spread. We'll probably change it to the spread next year, now that Jace knows how to bet a little bit more. Be a little more fun. Our picks have been great this year. I'm 184-71. Jace is 165-90. We've both been very good this year. I think we both had over 10 or 11 won games last week that we picked. Let's go ahead and go on to this week, the last week of the NFL season. There's going to be a lot of weird games that go on based on seating and all that. Some teams are sitting their players, all of that. So we'll talk about that as we go and let's go ahead and get this thing started. We'll start with the Cleveland-Baltimore. Baltimore's a 20-point favorite.
Speaker 1:It's insane.
Speaker 2:We mentioned that already, but it needs to be said again.
Speaker 1:That is unheard of in the NFL. This game does give Baltimore. They do need. Baltimore needs this game in order to tie up the AFC North.
Speaker 2:So Baltimore, baltimore is going to win this game. It'd be very funny if they lost. But Baltimore is going to win. But that makes me worry. But again, it's Mike Tomlin. I don't think he's going to rest his players, he's going to make them play. Because if the Steelers know that Baltimore won the game, it doesn't matter if the Steelers win or lose that game, but they could drop out of the five seed Because if the Steelers stay in the five seed they'd go play Houston in the first round. The way Houston looks right now, not able to protect CJ Stroud, that's a lot better draw than having to potentially face Baltimore in the first round in Baltimore. So I think the Steelers are going to play their guys, no matter what may, try to make sure they stay in that five seed, even if they can't win the division.
Speaker 2:Um. Next game Cincinnati, pittsburgh. Man, we're going to this game. Hopefully it doesn't work out to where you try to leave me in Pittsburgh, um, because it's definitely a possibility that I have in my back of my brain, but I'm hoping our brotherly love will get us through and you not want to do that. I'm going to pick Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh needs this game and, um you know, I pick Pittsburgh either way.
Speaker 1:I don't love you, they win.
Speaker 2:Fuck, you mean brotherly love. We ain't in Philadelphia Talk about. You know we're brothers, Brotherly love.
Speaker 1:Oh, get a Pittsburgh fan to take you home.
Speaker 2:It'll be a lot harder, since we're in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1:Crazy. If I know how to play, wait until I get the car.
Speaker 2:Come on, man, don't do this. Obviously, you're taking Cincinnati Duh, I don't know. It's a great game to go to. At least it's not going to be boring Cold as fuck it's going to be so cold it's going to be cold as fuck. It's like 26 degrees potential snow Potential.
Speaker 1:It's going to be snowing like a motherfucker dude. It's like 20% precipitation. It's going to be snowing. It's like 20% precipitation, it's going to snow. It has not stopped snowing, it's still snowing. It's snowing here. It is three hours away, but it's probably going to snow.
Speaker 2:Look man, I just want to bundle up, have a couple hoodies on Gloves.
Speaker 1:It's just 26.
Speaker 2:If there's any type of wind blowing. It's like 15 mile per hour winds Damn, it's gonna burn our faces. Scarves, if there's a scarf around. I'm about to find a scarf. It should be a fun time, as long as we don't freeze to death. I'm picking Pittsburgh, jay's picking Cincinnati. Let's go ahead and keep going, and again we're gonna be driving. At least we won't miss the rest of the NFL games. I'm only going to miss one.
Speaker 1:What the fuck, do you?
Speaker 2:mean I offered to drive.
Speaker 1:I really did. You drive like a grandma, and have you ever driven a rear-wheel drive car?
Speaker 2:No, but I'm an adult that knows how to drive so real quick.
Speaker 1:You eyes, you were fucked, we're fucked, fuck, we are fucked. So two lane road, both sides are dishes where you gonna go. You, you know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 2:You're gonna break, and if you get to break, that's a terrible idea, yeah, we're meeting god tonight brother no, no, obviously I wouldn't want to hit the brake, it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1:Oh cool, fuck, you undude, countersteer, countersteer, can you countersteer? No, you know why your car does it for you. You know why? Cause your shit's front wheel drive. Alright, man, you can't countersteer, right nigga, you can't countersteer, you hit that ice. You gotta go the other direction. It suddenly feels like I got no power, steering, traction control that bit don't exist. We are dying. So if I hit ice, we're dead. I I hope you had a written will, because if we hit ice and I'm not ready, or if I'm not sleeping we heading home I or, if I'm not asleep and we're heading home?
Speaker 2:I sure hope not. It's going to be so late, we're going to die somewhere between Pittsburgh and Columbus. So nowhere. We're going to die in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Skursky.
Speaker 2:Next game Carolina and.
Speaker 1:Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Atlanta still is playing for potentially a playoff spot, so Atlanta Carolina don't give a fuck. We didn't talk about the last game because you weren't here, but Michael Penix still throws a beautiful ball and you know what's funny In this game? They got old boy Kyle Pitts involved. Crazy how that goes, including getting the touchdown there that tied the game to the end of the game, but they finally got him involved. Atl should win this game. They still have something to play for.
Speaker 1:And I think Mr Penix Jr is only getting better and better. I think he should have been starting at the start of the year. You guys would be a much better team because of it.
Speaker 2:I think so too. I think he'd be better by now, like he would have gone through a whole year.
Speaker 1:No one had a problem. That's the thing. No, no one had a problem with the pick of Michael Penix.
Speaker 2:It was in concert, it was in cohort with the fans. You just paid a quarterback.
Speaker 1:A quarterback. You gave a no trade clause to.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's the bad part. So you really didn't like. That's how you know. At the time they really didn't think they were going to draft a quarterback. At the time they thought they could wait. Why would you give a guy a no trade clause if you think you're going to draft a quarterback? At the time they thought they could wait. Why would you give a guy no trade clause if you think you're going to draft a quarterback?
Speaker 1:that he might be mad about. They freaked out. Four quarterbacks went off the board too fast and they freaked out.
Speaker 2:Well, they fell in love with Michael Penick Jr, I think they just fell in love. They had to meet him, that's fine, and they fell in love.
Speaker 1:And then they're like, oh, get him in the second round. Really no.
Speaker 2:The Raiders were in love with him.
Speaker 1:The Raiders were in love with anybody that came down to them. No, they either won Apparently the Raiders Araki, Aiden O'Connell and Garden Minshew. They were in love with anybody that came down to them.
Speaker 2:There's a reason why they picked the tight end when they just picked Michael Mayer the year before in the second round, michael Mayer's very good. Because they're like, hey, we either wanted Jaden Daniels or Michael Penix and neither of them are here, and that's why they ended up picking Brock Bowers. But they wanted one of those two quarterbacks and neither of them fell to them. That's why they freaked out and got Brock.
Speaker 1:Bowers. It partially worked out.
Speaker 2:Partially, but they still need a quarterback. Now. They need a quarterback and there's only two guys that are even really worthy coming out in the draft.
Speaker 1:Two yes in the draft Two.
Speaker 2:Yes, Cam Ward, the guy I always forget, and Shador.
Speaker 1:I think Cam Ward's better than Shador.
Speaker 2:I think Cam Ward's more explosive. I think Shador has a he can. I think he has a better chance to run an NFL offense starting from day one.
Speaker 1:I can't tell how talented he is because he plays with no one.
Speaker 2:But I think this might be my problem with him. I think his pocket awareness is terrible. I agree he sits in the pocket way too long. He holds on to the football. Maybe it's just because he knows he needs to make a play have you seen Cam Ward play? He does the same shit, yeah but Cam Ward has the explosiveness to get away from people he does.
Speaker 1:Shador does not. No, he does not. He does not.
Speaker 2:Cam Ward can actually run away like he's yeah like he has some jayden daniels qualities to him in a way that shador does not.
Speaker 1:Shador is more of a statue.
Speaker 2:He has jayden daniels quality in a big bend frame right he is a big dude uh not that big, but no, but he's. He's quick and athletic, he's bulky um, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think sure is that good. In the same way, I don't really think travis hunter is that good again.
Speaker 2:People are talking about how, what would happen if, if jeremiah smith came out this year in the draft, they were like the patriots would take him without asking a question. They're like oh, we don't want to disrespect travis hunter, but the fact. But here's the thing with travis hunter he's, he, ain't that good dude, he's nothing.
Speaker 1:he's the same thing of hey, you didn't play anybody that great on either side of the ball you weren't great on. You weren't even the best DB, you weren't the best fucking wide receiver.
Speaker 2:I don't know how he won the Blundekoff. I don't know how he won the Blundekoff, he just you weren't the best on either side, nope, okay.
Speaker 1:So they knew for damn sure they couldn't give you the award as a DB, because last dude I wanted One of them was Charles Woodson, and he was that guy.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:He was so good. They were saying the same thing they were saying about Jeremiah Smith he's going to have a gold jacket at the end of his career. He had a gold jacket and a Super Bowl MVP, yep. And then you, for damn sure, weren't the best receiver. The best receiver was over in San Jose, who had a fucking triple crown. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Third person to ever do it Over 100, my boy Ohio.
Speaker 1:State's been around for 100 years and three people have done it, and he was the third Right and he didn't even get the award for best receiver.
Speaker 2:And I don't think anybody would look at you comparison to a guy like Jeremiah Smith and said, oh, travis Hunter's a better receiver. Nobody would say that you can't run you're playing Right.
Speaker 1:You're not better than them, not to mention you're the only guy. Well, the other receiver's better. But he just again, he wasn't actually that good this year no the other receiver is a deep threat. Yeah, he is tall and he's fast as all hell, and that's what he's good at.
Speaker 2:He's very good, but when he goes in the NFL draft he's going to keep saying he wants to play both.
Speaker 1:He wants he's going to keep saying he wants to play both. It's not. There should be a clause in his NFL contract Break up with your girlfriend, but you're hyped on camera If you leave, dude you just want to do a numbers game here.
Speaker 2:Why, if I'm an NFL team where I let a guy even let's just say it works out perfectly, he ends up being my best wide receiver and my best corner. But if you get hurt, I miss.
Speaker 1:I'm now missing two players.
Speaker 2:We're so good, I'm now missing two players instead of one. Just a numbers game. That doesn't make any gosh darn sense. That's how it works out perfectly. That's if you were the best wide receiver and corner on our team.
Speaker 1:My brain went to when it comes to a contract. I'd be going to him like can I pay you?
Speaker 2:like a.
Speaker 1:DB. Can I pay you like a number one DB?
Speaker 2:58 mil Much cheaper than paying a one wide receiver.
Speaker 1:If I can't pay you as a DB, you're going to have to start playing receiver.
Speaker 2:Right. Because, you're not getting both, so I'm just like. It doesn't make sense. And not to mention, you need to be able to rest, so so like if I need you to be my best for both. When are you going to take snaps off?
Speaker 1:You can't, you don't. Every team has another one to receive, to guard and if you can't go out there and guard them. What are you here for Exactly?
Speaker 2:So I'm going to tell him like hey, we'll play, nice, we'll be. Like hey, you could play both, yeah. And then first day of practice, like hey, dude, we lied, pick one.
Speaker 1:We wanted a DB, so they're not lying.
Speaker 2:Here's what I think. The Patriots have the number one overall pick right now. What do they need more? They already have Christian Gonzalez and he is a freaking dude, so you're not going to. He has four interceptions.
Speaker 1:You're not Christian Gonzalez. No one talks about it because that defense is atrocious. He has four interceptions. Christian Gonzalez is you can't throw on that side.
Speaker 2:You're not going to be him, so we're going to want you to play wide receiver.
Speaker 1:And in all honesty here's my quick question I wouldn't pick him at receiver over fucking Emeka Ibuka. Personally, he's more explosive than Emeka.
Speaker 2:But Emeka is a grown man playing wide receiver when it comes to his routes are probably the best in the whole draft.
Speaker 1:That's my thing is. He's where he needs to be. He blocks very well. He's open five yards down the field because he left his DB back there.
Speaker 2:Right, he's not the fastest, he is a less explosive JSM. Jsm's more explosive than Emeka Buka, but it's literally.
Speaker 1:Emeka Buka reminds me a lot of Terry Scary.
Speaker 2:Terry, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's.
Speaker 2:Terry McClellan is faster, you know what's funny is that he's not as short area speed, but when it comes to his actual 40 time, I think he's faster than Jason.
Speaker 1:I agree, and.
Speaker 2:Mecca. I think Mecca's actually faster than Jason in the 40 time, but his short area quickness is probably not as high to speed, right, and that's why I think him and Scary Terry are very one-on-one receivers Right.
Speaker 1:I look at them both like he's not, scary Terry's not the fastest, but off that line.
Speaker 2:He knows what he's doing. You better have him. Yeah, exactly, you have to give him cushion or he will leave you. Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 2:Travis Hunter. They had a mock draft that had him going to the Emeka.
Speaker 1:Abuka. Yeah, don't let me get Ohio State receiver on my team.
Speaker 2:I will become insufferable.
Speaker 1:If the Bengals lose this game, fuck it. I don't know the receiver.
Speaker 2:Not to mention he'd be the perfect guy to pair with George Pickens, because he'd be a perfect like hey, go on the other side, be the route guy, make some big plays when you can, and then George Pickens can stay just trying to be the big play receiver he wants to be until we end up not paying him because he's just not worth paying?
Speaker 1:I don't know. The Bengals can't draft first-round defense which Dax Hill?
Speaker 2:Miles.
Speaker 1:Murphy, stop drafting first-round defense, please, please, Please. You drafted a first-round offensive player. Mims has been great. Yeah, Okay so you can't draft first-round defense. You can't draft first round defense. You can't draft second round defense. You can draft third round defense. Yeah, first round, the best offensive player taken. Please stop drafting defense. Don't make it hard. Don't make it hard.
Speaker 2:Dude, he don't even see the field, no more. You know, what's crazy Is that you now are in the Steelers category, because now you're too good, you're going to be from around 13 to 17. Dude.
Speaker 1:I'm so tired. I was legit and you're not going to.
Speaker 2:You potentially, don't make the playoffs. Three weeks ago, and you're just going to be here from 13 to 17.
Speaker 1:We're meddling in the middle. There's no one elite down here. Y'all are like all okay, what? There's no one elite down here. Y'all are like all okay, what are we doing? Right? Y'all could have just fucked around and be like let's just go lose a couple more games. Right and then y'all could fuck around and be like we're high enough to draft Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2:Let's go get him Exactly Like, fuck around and do some shit like that, no, no.
Speaker 1:We're going to be at like 12.
Speaker 2:And we were close to the playoffs. Guys, okay, cool, don't fuck this draft up. Oh, you're telling me, we can still get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:obviously I know, but it's. We'll play one or two games and we'll be out. It's worth it. Now I'm going to have the 18th overall pick. Do the same shit again next year.
Speaker 2:And who knows who my quarterback is going to be, because I don't want it to be Russell Wilson. I don't care what money he wants to take.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest Russell Wilson didn't give you anything, justin Fields couldn't have.
Speaker 2:I hope to God that they played this right and told Justin Fields hey, take this year and just learn, and we'll have you out next year and you'll be our guy from now on. You have to Justin.
Speaker 1:I truly don't get it. Justin Fields done everything russell wilson did and then moved like run the ball, like he gives you more diversity on offense.
Speaker 2:I guess russell wilson gives you more consistency. Consistency, but even then over the last couple games.
Speaker 1:He ain't giving you that right, you're not, so I don't get it, I guess, I guess long term.
Speaker 2:We're pretty much turning into the colts and I'm not liking this. The colts after andrew luck left, we're middling with court old quarterbacks. They are like, hey, we'll just do a one year rental with this guy.
Speaker 1:Matt Ryan, that really didn't work.
Speaker 2:Oh, they did it with freaking. One year of the one guy from the Chargers, phillip Rivers. One year of him. That's what we're going to turn into. If we don't have Justin Fields, be our guy, because guess what? We're never going to turn into. If we don't let just have just feels better guy, because guess what, we're never going to be bad enough to be in the top five to take a quarterback we probably need to take. So I'm just like what do we?
Speaker 1:be bad enough to be in the top 10 to at least get a quarterback right and if y'all aren't going to take a chance because y'all don't do second round, third round quarterbacks after after the first round.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter because quarterbacks are such a premium. If they are any chance they're going to be good. They're a first round pick because you want the fifth year option.
Speaker 1:Hank, your team can take a chance on a guy like Will Howard.
Speaker 2:Honestly, that'd be great.
Speaker 1:He'd be good enough to.
Speaker 2:When we take a guy like him. We actually need to have good quarterback coaching and I doubt we really have the best of. We need to have a guy that um, like um. Who's the coach for the giants right now? Dayball, dayball. He was with buffalo and he turned josh allen to what he became whisperer. We need a quarterback that we know is going to be able to turn a guy like that, like a talent, into a quarterback we can trust.
Speaker 1:We don't have that the giants expected him to turn Daniel Jones into Josh. Can we all give that guy credit of? He did a lot with what he had. Oh no, Everybody's angry at Dave, like, oh, he's a bad coach.
Speaker 2:And I'm looking, I'm like he won a lot of games with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:He made Daniel Jones really good at times.
Speaker 1:And then the organization's like let's not sign Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2:The best offensive player that we have on our team. Let's get rid of him.
Speaker 1:The best offensive player we've had since fucking Odell seven years ago.
Speaker 2:They're saying why are we paying a running back $15 million when we have our quarterback $40 million?
Speaker 1:Because he has 2,000 yards right now and the quarterback sucks. You cut him, you cut him.
Speaker 2:That's. What's crazy is that you didn't sign Saquon and now Saquon's having the year, he's having this year, and you gave up on freaking Jones halfway through the year.
Speaker 1:Y'all were looking at week seven like we're done. This is bad, this is bad. And again everybody's looking at it like oh, fire Dable, and Dable's like.
Speaker 2:I'm working magic here, you don't even know.
Speaker 1:I was at their winning game with Tommy DeVito last year. Did y'all see Daniel Jones, daniel Jones is that bad he's that bad.
Speaker 2:He's that bad. He is garbage and he's going to be a career backup for the rest of his career. A career backup is generous and he'll make money. He'll make money doing that.
Speaker 1:Okay, real quick, but he'll be a backup for the rest of no because Daniel Jones ain't as good as no, because athletically he gives yeah, yeah, yeah athletically.
Speaker 2:He gives you, like a hey, a one or two game sample size give me famous Jameis and Daniel Jones who are?
Speaker 1:you picking? I'm picking famous Jameis. Oh yeah for sure, cause at least in the locker room they like him right?
Speaker 2:they don't fucking like Daniel Jones, they don't hate him, but it's not like one of those things. But they didn't like him, yeah fucking jake browning.
Speaker 1:I dude, I would take jake browning in a fucking heartbeat oh yeah, for sure I know he can be pretty good, but I know why you're a backup, right you? For three games he slung that football three touchdowns, four touchdowns, three touchdowns. And then suddenly it was two touchdowns, two interceptions. One touchdown, three interceptions. I'm like, all right, get back to the bench, bro. You know your spot, but Daniel Jones is. He's not good.
Speaker 2:He's not good. He's not good.
Speaker 1:He's the kind of backup of oh fuck, daniel Jones is going in. It's the same thing with Geno Smith Video Seahawks fan. Yeah, genos are going out. Fuck, it's Sam Howell. Dude. I don't want to have to deal with that. My idea. I want to be so worried that Burrow's hurt. I don't have to fuck Jake Browning he can manage a game Right.
Speaker 1:I'll get you through this. I'll throw a touchdown. We'll get a win Right Now. Two weeks from now, will you be wanting to shoot me in the face? Now? Will you be wanting to shoot me in the face? Most likely, but I'm your backup quarterback. I'm here because you hope your actual guy will come back yeah exactly. I'll get you two more games, right, but don't put me up against a team.
Speaker 2:If I'm up against anybody else that's not like the Browns, or the Panthers, I'm fucked. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:That's what I want, but I don't want to have to sit back and be like god damn it.
Speaker 2:I don't?
Speaker 1:It's Sam Howe, Genuinely Like it would distraught his voice.
Speaker 2:Gino hasn't been good, but fucking Sam Howe we're cooked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so bad, so bad.
Speaker 2:No chance.
Speaker 1:Drew Locke would be a great one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but even Drew Locke started playing, terribly too.
Speaker 1:Drew Locke's that kind of guy. If I'm going to give you one really good game to make you think I'm going to start in quarterback, you're going to pay me for another two years and then. I'm bad afterwards, and then I'm bad.
Speaker 2:All right, next game Washington-Dallas.
Speaker 1:Drew Locke was that guy at Iowa, wyoming. Where did he go?
Speaker 2:Drew Locke was Mizzou. I gave the black and yellow color scheme. It's the black and yellow. It was Mizzou. My apologies.
Speaker 1:Black and yellow color scheme. But yeah, it's Mizzou. It was Mizzou, my bad.
Speaker 2:Next game Washington-Dallas. It's Washington. Come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1:Dallas has nothing to play for. Are they playing their starters? They wouldn't have to.
Speaker 2:Actually, I think they, depending on the playoff spot, Returns to the house playoff round. No, they're playing. They're playing their guys right now.
Speaker 1:How Cooper rushes better than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Daniel Jones can give you a game in a way. Cooper Rush probably can't.
Speaker 1:You lying. I watch Cooper Rush dice up. Not any Bengals, the Super Bowl caliber Bengals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he is more about hey, I can run the offense.
Speaker 1:Five touchdowns? Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Five, he had five touchdowns, don't get all deep on me, don't get all deep voice on me. For what?
Speaker 1:No interceptions, five touchdowns Don't get all deep on me, don't get all deep voice on me.
Speaker 2:For what? No interceptions. Five touchdowns. Next game Chicago going to Green Bay, Chicago's awful Green Bay.
Speaker 1:Chicago's hot garbage.
Speaker 2:They're so bad. They're so bad, dude. I'm not sure if there's any coach that's going to want to try to save them.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's a coach that can't save them. If I'm a coach, I mean we have everything we need.
Speaker 2:Why are you all so bad? If I'm Ben Johnson, the coordinator for the Detroit Lions, why would I want to go to Chicago?
Speaker 1:If I'm Ben Johnson, I want to go to the Bengals.
Speaker 2:The Chicago Bears is just a terribly ran organization. Thank God Ben Johnson comes to the Bengals Like. The Chicago Bears is just a terribly ran organization If we can't have.
Speaker 1:Ben Johnson, I want Mike Vrabel. At least Mike Vrabel would be like hey, let's fix this defense, because goddamn he'll fix it, he don't care. We need a good offensive coordinator if we have a defensive head coach. Mike Vrabel would be perfect.
Speaker 2:Here's my thing. Do you really need a great offensive coordinator when you have Joe?
Speaker 1:Burrow that knows what he's doing. We just need one that won't call a fucking screen pass. It's 39. What are we doing? And if you're going to call one, don't call it Jamar Chase. Who the fuck else are we going to throw it? To? Throw that bitch to Chase Brown. Jermaine Burton, the same size, the same size, the same build, the same skill set as Jermaine Chase.
Speaker 2:You'll throw it to him. Have some misdirection a little bit if you're going to call something so simple.
Speaker 1:No, y'all don't even try. We're throwing it to Jermaine Chase. Yeah, they know, everyone knew.
Speaker 2:No one went left. Everybody has their eyes on him already.
Speaker 1:No one went left. They didn't get against the Steelers. I watched every player on that defense go right, jamar Chase is going right. We're going right Fucking, do a QB, draw and run, burrow out to the left, dude, do something, something. I have watched so many screen passes over the last four years and I'm tired. If they extend.
Speaker 2:Zach.
Speaker 1:Wilson, I will have to relocate my fanship. I can't do it If they extend Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2:Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1:I need to be a different fan. I can't do it. He's that fucking bad. You cannot look at this year and be like, yes, this is Joe Burrows' fault. You are looking at this team like they are 8-8, in spite of how shitty Zach Taylor's play calling is and in spite of how shitty that defense is Yep, the problem is, and in spite of how shitty that defense is, lou and Romo is really trying and I can tell, because sometimes that defense looks okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they just don't have dudes. It's not because of the defenses that made— Lou and Romo can put together a defense he can, but if you're giving him terrible ingredients to make a dinner, the dinner's going to be bad. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it. I don't care how good of a chef you are, you have to have something in there to make it something good and palatable.
Speaker 1:He does have both that shine. He realized very early in the year Jordan Battle is the guy Jordan Battle should be starting and playing.
Speaker 2:At safety. He's been very good, but again, it's just safety.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Trey Hendrickson has been very good and he has known this since we got Logan Wilson. That is the guy he runs the defense, everybody follows him. Trey Anikso gets hurt and he's like, well, let's just blitz. That's all the Bengals have been doing. We're going to blitz, the ball's going up anyway. Let's try to get him to stop that.
Speaker 2:It's worked. It works, yeah, but then it's just like now. You have teams throwing all over, you have Denver literally throwing deep shot bomb yeah but they've been doing that to everybody, so I can kind of live with that. No, the Denver hasn't been throwing deep shots on everybody. They just did it to y'all cuz we're like hey, there's somebody open down there, because they're not their secondaries not doing nothing, mims was.
Speaker 1:Two DB's. It's not like it was a safety in a DB. It was two DB's. One of you was in front of him, one of you was behind him.
Speaker 2:We got to love both of y'all, mims is not that guy?
Speaker 1:No, and he made you look like children.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Twice so bad. And you just need to get better defensive players. You need to just and I just think you can't keep going with what you have now, because it's already been said, you, because it's already been said you just need to have different voices in the room. Dylan Irwin was good and he's probably going to get another job somewhere else, but you need a different head coach and you need to get different coaching staff all together and flush everybody out outside of Chase and Burrow and say you can keep the QB coach.
Speaker 2:In the office line.
Speaker 1:Can you keep the QB coach Burrow?
Speaker 2:really likes him and he's actually pretty good but again, burrow is so good like the qb coach is not going to matter agreed.
Speaker 1:But when browning went in, the qb coach continued to be good, okay, he kept, he kept because burrow was expected to come back in a couple of weeks, right. And then like hey, it's a full tear, he has to go to get surgery. And then I was like, oh fuck.
Speaker 2:Oh, speaking of full tear, right, the Indiana quarterback that played for them this year.
Speaker 1:He played the whole year on a tourney, huh, richardson.
Speaker 2:No Indiana, like the quarterback for the Indiana Hoosiers right that made it to the playoff and lost to Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:I don't know who you're talking about, it doesn't matter, I'm saying he played this whole year on a torn ACL that he's now getting surgically repaired after the season's over, but he played the whole year on a torn ACL. It's very admirable and it kind of makes sense why, when he was getting blitzed by Ohio State, he was just sitting back there dumbfounded because there's nothing he could do like. Because he was when he played at Ohio he was able to run a little bit, but he didn't do any running this year. It kind of makes sense. I don't have an ACL to run on.
Speaker 1:It kind of makes sense why it was so bad. So he was standing back there looking at the blitz like you guys have fucked me.
Speaker 2:I can't run from this. If I'm him, I'm falling, I'm going down If the team knows he's playing on a tourney ACL they had.
Speaker 1:they were like, oh, we're just gonna let him sit back here and get destroyed all year after the first drive, if they after the first quarter and that's been done to me all quarter, I'm walking the field. I'm done, I'm going home. I'm not doing this anymore. This ain't worth it.
Speaker 2:Again, they won a lot of games until they got to Ohio State and they ended up losing bad in Notre Dame as well, but, like those, teams just blitzed every single time and he could not do anything to get away, which now makes sense because he was playing the whole year on 20 ACL. It's crazy, Don't?
Speaker 1:let him get rushed. That fucking bad. You should be imprisoned Right. That man played an entire year for you. No, acl. You know he can't move If you don't fucking send two tight ends out there and a fucking fullback.
Speaker 2:Max protection, y'all are going. Max protect, max protection. Only two routes, dude, only two. I was going to get to go run a route today.
Speaker 1:If the ball can't get out, if he doesn't have a lane to throw, it's not worth it. Exactly, you better, dude no, fuck that. You better throw two tight ends, a fullback and two running backs. Y'all are running a fucking power eye all game.
Speaker 2:If you can't, run the ball Insane.
Speaker 1:Dude a tornace yo.
Speaker 2:All year long Crazy. Next game Houston Tennessee. Houston will not be playing anybody. They're resting, they're stuck where they're at. They're in the four-seekers. They're going to win their division.
Speaker 1:The Titans still somehow probably lose this game. I don't know. Okay, you're going to pick Will Levin. No.
Speaker 2:Because you know who's back Aziz Alshayer, the guy that got suspended from the hit on. I'm forgetting his name. Who did he hit?
Speaker 2:Mahomes, I think it wasn't Mahomes, because he was suspended for that game. He didn't play Mahomes, he ended up hitting oh, it was for Jacksonville Trevor Lawrence. He was the one that Trevor Lawrence got hurt after that game and didn't play again. So, no, he's back. So he's going to be headhunting one again. I don't think he's really that bad when it comes to back, so he's going to want to play very well, not like the Lions player, third DB, who had took out Higby. Hawkinson.
Speaker 1:Tried to take out Hawkinson again.
Speaker 2:You're taking Houston as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why wouldn't I? Do you want to trust Levis?
Speaker 2:Can't trust Tennessee. No, Levis isn't playing. He hasn't played for the last couple weeks. They benched him. They benched him during the Bengals game.
Speaker 1:That because it's been. They benched him. Yeah, they benched him during the Bengals game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Rudolph Rudolph. Yeah, he's a good backer and he's been playing very well. Honestly, he's been running that offense very well.
Speaker 1:He's been playing. Well enough. He's going to take his job back in the year if the Titans don't draft a quarterback. Oh, levis is done, levis is done.
Speaker 2:Jacksonville going to Indianapolis. This game is gross, Indy. There's nothing left for them because they lost the game last week. They could have still gotten to the playoffs. They lost.
Speaker 1:Jacksonville. There's even less left for them, right, but I'm going to say Jacksonville. Brian Thomas Jr is that guy, and the fact that he's been so good.
Speaker 2:Oh, Richardson's out again.
Speaker 1:So it's Joe Fluco. So it's Joe Flucco, so it's.
Speaker 2:Joe Flucco, or the big ol' sleepy Joe Lookin' fallin' asleep on the sideline. No, this game's gonna be at 1 o'clock.
Speaker 1:He'll be good to go. Gotta get home by 5 for dinner.
Speaker 2:He just has like I don't, this game is gross. This game is so gross. The over-under is 43.5. I actually might go over the 43 and a half. Just for funsies. I might go over the 43 and a half.
Speaker 1:Just bet just over the 43 and a half, because they'll score Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2:They'll score, but you know I don't know, give me Jack.
Speaker 1:Jack works Okay.
Speaker 2:I'll take Jacksonville as well. Next game Buffalo going to New England. Buffalo is not playing any of their guys. They Buffalo is not playing any of their guys. They're locked at the two seed.
Speaker 1:Again, that's still almost better than New England. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2:Does New England want to win this football?
Speaker 1:game. No, they want to lose.
Speaker 2:Because they have their number one overall pick right now.
Speaker 1:No, they want to lose. They want to lose hard.
Speaker 2:So either they'll trade that pick and get a ton of picks for whoever wants to get their quarterback. I would, because obviously they have Drake May, they don't need a quarterback. Or, worst case scenario, you pick up Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1:Worst case, you can't trade out the pick. I know at that point you could trade out like three. Right, you can do that same thing.
Speaker 2:No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to go Buffalo.
Speaker 2:Is Drake May playing? That is my question.
Speaker 1:Does it matter? He's very good, but goddamn, that team is ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if Buffalo's playing nobody, it doesn't matter. Drake May is questionable. Give me Buffalo, yeah, I'll get.
Speaker 1:Buffalo as well. I probably would have taken Buffalo even if he was playing, just because their backups are as good as New England starters.
Speaker 2:There is no reason New English want to win this game whatsoever.
Speaker 1:No, I want to lose, lose, lose, lose.
Speaker 2:I don't care what these guys paid for their tickets to come in and watch this game, because they want the number one overall pick too. So I think fans will be more mad if you win this game than if you lose. Go ask the Giants fans how they felt after last week when they balled out and won that game.
Speaker 1:They beat the shit out of them. It was hilarious.
Speaker 2:How do you do that to Indianapolis? They wanted to lose that game and it was a freaking shootout and they destroyed you. I don't understand.
Speaker 1:Destroyed you they destroyed you.
Speaker 2:The Giants fans were freaking out on Twitter afterwards. It was like, oh, we had them all picking our hands. Like, oh, we had the number one pick in our hands and y'all want to do this now.
Speaker 1:No, bro, come on, aren't they tied for the second overall?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:They're tied with, I think, the Browns. It's the Patriots, browns and Giants that still have a chance at the first round, so they're tied with the Browns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, gross.
Speaker 1:And the.
Speaker 2:Giants definitely need a quarterback. So, and the Giants definitely need a quarterback, so they would have loved to have that first-rounder pick to get Shador or.
Speaker 1:Ward, do you think the Browns don't take a quarterback?
Speaker 2:They just did a whole rework of the contract with Watson. Dude, you don't do that if you plan on getting rid of him.
Speaker 1:They're going to take this to the grave. We're going to die by this.
Speaker 2:You gave them that You're so. You gave them that they are so hamstrung. They are so hamstrung by that freaking cap the cap hit for the guaranteed contract that they're going to go to hell on this thing. They're not going to do anything to fix it. They're not Real quick. Y'all are losing money.
Speaker 1:Y'all are losing money, eat it.
Speaker 2:You, y'all are losing money.
Speaker 1:Y'all are losing money.
Speaker 1:You're losing fans. You are losing fans. Real quick, fuck the cap. Last Browns game I watched, your fucking stadium was empty. There was no one fucking there. You are losing money. You're losing money. Why would Browns fans come watch the fucking Browns? Well, they can go watch the Cavaliers who are. They've only lost five games. Yeah, let's go watch a different fucking team. Right, Dude, y'all are losing money. This isn't profitable. I just don't understand. There is no way. Like the guy we know that's a Brown Jake, he legit told me last time I saw him I have not watched a Browns game in four weeks.
Speaker 2:Four weeks. That's a lie, because he went to the Cincinnati Browns game.
Speaker 1:That was two weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he went to that game. That was two weeks ago. Oh, when did you talk to him?
Speaker 1:It would have been after. That was two weeks ago now.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:But again, he's not watching them, he went to that game, but he didn't watch the game before that.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, I got you. I got what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he has not watched a Browns game on TV In four weeks.
Speaker 2:Got it. He had an opportunity to go, and when?
Speaker 1:I work with several Browns fans, none of which even know what their. They know their team has A second overall pick right now. Right, dude, don't fuck this, you don't fuck this, you. You can't fuck this up. There's no. If you fuck this up, you're gonna, why would you? We need to sell the team. You can't afford the cap hit and here's my thing I get.
Speaker 2:Maybe watson wants to hold on to any chance he has to kill, still keep his job with the brown, so maybe he'd be more willing to rework his contract they booed you when you tore your acl but why would you do that? Why would just tell them to drop you and just let you off the hook. You are not wanted in Cleveland.
Speaker 1:You get severely injured. It's going to impact the rest of your life there are people that had the balls to cheer.
Speaker 2:They cheered, not people.
Speaker 1:There were more cheers in that stadium than there was boos. It was audible, you were was audible when you came on the field for drives, you were booed. When you came off the field for drives, you were booed at every moment. You were not wanted in cleveland right, and there was a dude I work with. He was like I hope they sell the team he's not gonna do that.
Speaker 2:He said they're that bad.
Speaker 1:I hope they can sell the team. Just redo all of this, he said. I want them to restart like they were just founded back in 2000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, it's awful. Next game, new York Giants going to Philly. Philly is sitting Saquon, they're sitting all their main guys. It's disappointing, right. Yeah, it's a better decision for the team. I get it, I do. Who are they playing again?
Speaker 1:They're playing the giants let him get it.
Speaker 2:He got 100 for the end of the fucking first half. I know, but the giants may just go into that game saying hey we're gonna front seven.
Speaker 2:We're gonna, we're gonna put nine men in the box, we'll let you throw one over our heads all day, but we're not letting saquon get this record. So like it was over 100 yards, I think they almost. They almost told on themselves when they sat him after in the last game when he was on a, he was like had 178 yards, something like that. Once you sit him after that, if like, why wouldn't you let him just keep getting his yards now, make it easier for the next week? So it almost felt like they kind of said what they were going to do when they sat him in that game you think that's something.
Speaker 1:They asked him like hey, do you? How bad do you want? Do you want the?
Speaker 2:Apparently, he said he left it up to the coach in the coach's hands to make the decision. From when they asked Saquon about it and Saquon said I left it up to the coach, I let him make the decision. He's like I understand what they want to do. The plan is to go win playoff games, win the Super Bowl. That's what the most important thing is.
Speaker 1:I'm like please don't get bounced first round. If you get bounced first round, I understand, zaywon, if you're angry, because at least you could be immortalized in history, right, but you are taking. I want to team first, team first. Cool, I understand. That is a good decision, that is a good business decision. Right it is I want to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:But he's too close. For this man that's 101 yards 101?.
Speaker 1:That is chump change to you this year you could sneeze out 100 yards.
Speaker 2:There has been five games where he hasn't ran for 100 yards this year.
Speaker 1:Five games they play 17.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong so 12 of those games you were that guy, and even then how far under 100 was he? Yeah, you're not wrong, it's just, it's disappointing.
Speaker 1:I would like him to break the record and I think the giants have a very good defensive line right.
Speaker 2:Dexter lawrence cave on, thibodeau and brian branch are all very good and you have to play in the first round of the playoffs because you don't have the number one overall seed a guaranteed they would put nine men in the box. You are not running the ball on us. It's a good decision, not the team. You are getting this record on right. It is a good decision for the team. It is, I agree so. So I won't fault him, but it's disappointing. I'm disappointed. That sucks.
Speaker 1:I want to see it.
Speaker 2:I want to see it happen.
Speaker 1:You don't get to see records broken a lot in the NFL.
Speaker 2:That record. It's a 40-year-old record, dude, you get 60-year-old records.
Speaker 1:This shit happens a lot in the NFL. Seeing one broken is a marvel, Right. Same thing in baseball, Like Like when Judge was chasing the record, everybody was watching. Right. Every Yankees game somebody tuned in. I want to know how many home runs he's on.
Speaker 2:I want to know how close he gets yeah.
Speaker 1:And when he was like he was, what 15 off they were constant Heck when he was only like one or two off.
Speaker 2:he went on like a little slump there for like a week and a half two weeks and everybody just kept watching. It was like we need to watch. When it does happen.
Speaker 1:I got to know when it happens, right it's just you know it just sucks. You don't get the opportunity, but again, for the team it makes sense. It does. Yeah, so I can't fault him. So you pick him.
Speaker 2:Giants, and the Giants don't want to win this football game.
Speaker 1:There's no way they want to win this football game Um that's a great question.
Speaker 2:Is he their starter? He was out there, so I think he probably will play. Because they're keeping Hurts out, he's definitely not playing, especially coming off the injuries he has Kenny Pickett's been playing pretty good. Pickett's not on there, so he's probably going to play. I'm taking Philly as well. There's just no way the Giants want to win this football game. They have to. If they win another game, it's just in a spot they're in where they still potentially have a chance in the overall pick.
Speaker 1:There's no way, if you guys win another game, don't go.
Speaker 2:There's no way the owner doesn't go, are they?
Speaker 1:at the Eagles.
Speaker 2:Yes, If you win another game.
Speaker 1:Stay in Philadelphia because they're burning Giants Stadium as we speak. Don't go home.
Speaker 2:Next game New Orleans going to Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1:Tampa Bay. They need this game.
Speaker 2:They're in the. I think they're in the playoffs, no matter what.
Speaker 1:I know, but they don't want to. Why risk it?
Speaker 2:Right, and I think seeding is one of those things, and I think Mike Evans still needs like he still needs some yardage to get to the 1,000 yard mark I think I saw still needs a touchdown and something else to get $3 million or something like that.
Speaker 1:Mike Evans needs 75 yards. No, he needs 85 yards. 85 yards 85 yards.
Speaker 2:He has 11 touchdowns, Not to mention New Orleans, is terrible. They're not good for the most part and I think Tampa Bay will be able to only play one half and be able to destroy this team and just play all their second string guys and not have any worry about losing this football game. Next game Kansas City, Denver.
Speaker 1:Are 1,000-yard receivers rare or some shit?
Speaker 2:1,000-yard receivers.
Speaker 1:no, why is there only seven of them in the AFC?
Speaker 2:I think passing has just been down this year in general Because there's only 10 in the NFC. I think passing in this I think just offense in general this year has kind of been down Pukunuku ain't one of the 10. Oh, because he missed so many games start of the year. He just missed a lot of games, but he's still the 12th.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry, continue.
Speaker 2:Kansas City-Denver man. Kansas City's arresting everybody Denver.
Speaker 1:I need this game, they need this game. I know you need them to lose this game still. Yeah, I know. So You're lucky If this game was on Sunday at 4 o'clock. I'm not even watching this game, I'm watching the Denver game. Oh, please, please, yeah. No, the Bengals aren't making the playoffs.
Speaker 2:I know that for a fact I don't know Miami's probably going to lose. You know, who knows man I don't know, because isn't Miami playing the Jets? Yeah, oh, that's so gross, mm-hmm. Oh, that's so gross. That's so gross. I'm going to take. There's no way Kansas City is going to try to win the game, right, they have no reason. They're not going to have any way. Their guys though I don't know, I'll take Kansas City. I want you guys to make the playoffs. I'm going to take Kansas City, no, but that means I'll need you to.
Speaker 1:I want you guys to make the playoffs. I'm going to take Kansas City, no, but that means I'll need you to win the game.
Speaker 2:That sucks, yeah Ugh. This is gross. Because I want to be in the 5C, because I want to face Houston in the first round, all right, I'll take Denver Screw it.
Speaker 1:Damn. Back in 2019, cmc was 1,000 for 1,000.
Speaker 2:Insane.
Speaker 1:So was Z.
Speaker 2:So you're taking Denver, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1:Who the fuck was? Chris Carson? Yeah, no, I'm taking Kansas City, kansas City it is, you're definitely losing the game. It was a random Chris Carson.
Speaker 2:Kansas City Next game. You got the LA Chargers.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, adrian Peterson. Back in 2019 At 898 yards From scrimmage.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry, continue.
Speaker 2:LA Chargers Going to Las Vegas. This game is weird Because if Pittsburgh wins the, the Chargers are locked Las Vegas. This game is weird because if Pittsburgh wins the, the Chargers are locked in at the sixth seed. There's nothing they can do. But if the Steelers lose this game, the Kansas city can win the. If they can win their game against Las Vegas, they would then jump up to the five seat and have to face Houston in the first round, which is obviously of the four teams you, the three teams you have to face in the first round. If you're a team that does not win your division, I would rather have to play Houston, right? So I almost want to put an asterisk on this, but I'm going to keep it as it is and I'm going to say Las Vegas wins this game. Nope, I'm going Chargers.
Speaker 1:I'm going chargers. I'm going chargers.
Speaker 2:So I think there's a good reason that either way, harbaugh would want his team to go out there and win the game and just keep his guys out there, even if they don't have any gain out of it. So we'll, I'll go chargers. Next game Seattle going to the LA Rams. The LA Rams have won their division so they are officially. They're locked in where they're at. They're resting all their guys. I think they're just resting everybody. I'm going to take Seattle to win this game. I think offensively, seattle still plays for pride. I feel like they have a team that has a lot of young dudes that want to sit there and go out on a good note to end the season, to go on next season on. So I'm going to take Seattle to beat the LA Rams, with them not playing their other guys.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:All right, three more games. Miami going to the Jets.
Speaker 1:Tua has not played.
Speaker 2:He didn't play last game. They've been having Snoop. Why am I forgetting his name? Tyler Huntley yeah, snoop Tyler Huntley. They call him Snoop, for whatever reason, during the games, because apparently it's his nickname. Snoop Huntley. It's a lame nickname yeah, I know right so I'm going to take the Jets.
Speaker 1:I agree. I need the Jets to win this game.
Speaker 2:You think there's a chance that you know Aaron Rodgers' whole thing with the Jets is done, but he's going to have one last game that plays well. That makes people want to think, oh, maybe he can be that guy again.
Speaker 1:I think so. How many games have they lost?
Speaker 2:The Jets, I think, are a three or four win team. Let me just check here, Jets are four and 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's too many wins to get a quarterback.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:They could trade up.
Speaker 2:Want me to check what the draft order is right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Current draft order in the NFL. As of right now, new England, tennessee, cleveland, the Giants and Jacksonville are the top five picks. The Jets are currently at seven.
Speaker 1:Tennessee's number two. Yeah, no, they're trying to stay there.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, tennessee does have a shot at that first-round pick. I was wrong, because there's one, two, there's four teams tied at three and thirteen.
Speaker 1:So if they all lose, then what?
Speaker 2:Then it stays in that order.
Speaker 1:Crazy. I hope Mason Rudolph goes out there and wins the game. I want to see the Titans have to deal with fucking Will Ellis in the year.
Speaker 2:There's probably a top five pick, if you had to guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but pick who.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. Next game, san Fran, going to Arizona.
Speaker 1:Give me San Fran. Yeah, I can't trust Arizona man. Kyler Murray is becoming the Jack, just a guy. He looks worse and worse every time I see him play.
Speaker 2:And even with San Fran not having nothing to play for and all that, they are out there playing hard. If Freaking doesn't throw those picks last game, they win that game against the Lions and the first half of that game was perfect. San Fran had a perfect first half. So I don't know. I'm going to take San Fran. I just trust them a little bit more than I trust that Kyler Murray-led Arizona team. I just ugh gross. He's just not. He's such a talent, but it's just. Everything else is lacking. That's the part that sucks. And last but not least, you got Minnesota and Detroit. This is the part that sucks. And last but not least, you got Minnesota-Detroit. This is the Week 17 game. Do you think there is a regular season game that is worth more?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Because the difference in winning this game and losing this game whoever wins this game gets the first overall seed and a bye in the playoffs. Whoever loses this game has a five seed Oof. Oof and we'll have to play on the road pretty much all throughout the playoffs. Maybe, that's a crazy one. That happens and currently let's get the standings here and at the five seed, you would have to play the four seed right Detroit, tampa so you'd have to go play either Tampa Bay or the Rams.
Speaker 1:Those are not teams I would want to play.
Speaker 2:I'd much rather have the bye.
Speaker 1:Much rather have the bye.
Speaker 2:This game has a ton going behind it. You got the Lions, who are great offensively, but their defense cannot stop a nosebleed.
Speaker 1:I know, and that's why I'm Can't stop anything. Their defense is awful. Give me the Vikings, because they at least have a decent enough defense where if the Vikings can hold up. This is at Detroit, though, I know, but if the Vikings can hold up on two drives, it changes the game. All they need is two drives, two important drives, and it changes the game, because the Vikings defense has been pretty good. All you gotta do is hold up on two drives.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think Detroit's off. Can they stop this offense man?
Speaker 1:Okay, agreed, but whose defense is worse? Oh, it's definitely Detroit, Okay now here's the thing With the Vikings defense being better, even if their defense was fully healthy. Can they stop Justin Jefferson?
Speaker 2:No, but I think Detroit no one can. This is where I think Detroit's offense can control this game, because they can run the football more effectively. I understand.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't change the fact that Detroit's defense can't stop anything.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Vikings defense has been able to stop decent teams.
Speaker 2:Detroit's defense cannot stop anybody. That's tough. Detroit's two and a half my favorite Kind of crazy. I'm going to take Detroit. That's understandable, and you're going to take Minnesota. That game is going to be crazy. I'm going to bet so many overs in this game. I can't wait to make my parlay for that one. That's about it. So that's all the game picks. We're going to be going to a game tomorrow. We'll be having our fun doing that. We'll talk about how that goes in the next pod when we podcast next week. But from there, that's about it here. So I want to give Jason tomorrow. So let's go ahead and end it. If you've been listening to the podcast for a while, we appreciate you. We're just now joining on. Hopefully you like us and enjoy the content we're putting out, talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. If you like us and enjoy what we do, we would appreciate it. If you could Like the podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you do listen to us.
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