JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Can the Bills End Chiefs' Reign?
On the latest episode we start on some cfb topics beginnin with a convo about the viewership of the national championship game being lower than prior years and why that was the case. We discuss if the stranglehold the SEC has had is possibly ended with all of the changes in college football giving more teams a chance to get more talent and why this fact may make it harder to have back to back champ like Georgia did a few years ago. After that we take a dive into the latest in the coaching changes in the NFL and who can make the fastest turn around and try to decide whats next for the Detroit Lions and LA Rams who may be in rout for some set backs for different reasons. We also preview the two conference championship games. Can Buffalo, led by Josh Allen, get over the hump and beat a better Chiefs team and end their run to a 3 peat? Can Washington shock the world and get all the way to the SB led by their rookie QB Jayden Daniel's by beating this Eagles team with a very good defense and a dominant rushing team led by the best back in the league in Saquan Barkley? We discuss it all and make our picks to finish it out. Thanks for listening!
welcome back here to this podcast. Today is thursday, january the 23rd. We're back for the podcast. We're back.
Speaker 2:it's thursday. Um, you know more football. Well, college football is pretty much over, but I saw a few things I wanted to talk about there. We have NFL football. Nfl Conference Championship weekend is going to be this upcoming weekend, so we got to talk about that. Chase, do you want to build a parlay together on the podcast? That'd be fun. Let's have one parlay. We each take a. Let's say we'll build like a three or four leg parlay together, we bet it and then we'll talk about it in the next podcast how it hit. If parlay together, we bet it and then we'll talk about it on the next podcast how it hit. If it hit, did it do well, did we win or did it go terribly?
Speaker 1:You want me to bet my realistic money. Every bet you and me have made together, I have lost.
Speaker 2:Fun fact, fun fact. Those are the ones I've sent you. You've lost, but we haven't actually built one together.
Speaker 1:There's a difference, exactly, but everyone you built is hot ass.
Speaker 2:I've won eight bets, but I've won more than that. I've only made 12 this year. The ones that I've sent you have not been good, yes no, but I've won plenty of bets oh, Kyle Pitts gets a touchdown. E-e Kyle Pitts. It wasn't a touchdown. Yeah, you're right, kyle Pitts gets 25 yards.
Speaker 1:He only has 300.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not building a parlay with you. I'm never believing in Kyle Pitts, ever again. In fact, you believed in him at all.
Speaker 1:No one believes in him. I am never building a parlay with you because you could be like hmm.
Speaker 2:You'll have more control. You could say yes or no, whether you like it or not, right here on the podcast.
Speaker 1:That's why it's fun. No, I hate it, I hate it. I hate it. What I hate it. What game would you want to build a parlay on?
Speaker 2:We can do anything you want. You can do a touchdown parlay, we can do catches, we can do a combination of both of the games this weekend. We can do anything you want to do no. I hate it. I feel like you're being really negative. Oh, in betting you're going to lose more, more than you win.
Speaker 1:that's how it goes, I have won eight of the 12 parlays I have made, four of the parlays being yours. I've lost all four parlays you sent me. Yeah, but I've won eight of my own.
Speaker 2:I've won plenty of parlays myself, my guy I have I only made 12?
Speaker 1:uh-huh, if four of them were yours and eight of them were mine, I'm done making yours. I know we're making it together maybe we can mix.
Speaker 2:I lost. Four of them were yours and eight of them were mine. I'm done making yours, I know, but we're making it together. Maybe we can mix it together and get some goodness going, because.
Speaker 1:Kyle Pitts. He did 25 yards and I all over the phone I was like, hey, bro, I'm not sure about the Kyle Pitts 25 yards. You're like no, it's gonna hit, he's gonna get it.
Speaker 2:He did so good last week I'm like.
Speaker 1:Kyle Pitts run immaculate routes.
Speaker 2:It didn't go well, and then just walk off the field.
Speaker 2:That was one of my lesser moments right there, Because again I was hoping hey, you have a new quarterback coming in, You're going to stay in the middle of the field. No, they stuck to the outside pretty much, or they did go throw it inside Guess who it was going to Drake London. I've learned my lesson. I just have to hope. Maybe Kyle Pitts goes somewhere else. Jason's been talking about the Bengals this whole time. Get a talent like that to go somewhere else where he can be used better. It makes so much sense.
Speaker 1:Joe Burrow likes tight ends.
Speaker 2:He loves tight ends and Mike Gusecki's not under contract and Kyle. Pitts, you can kind of buy. It's a buy low product because he really hasn't done anything in the NFL. Like he's not going to be asking for a ton of money.
Speaker 1:You can just buy low and sign him for a couple years hey two years, we'll give you like eight mil. Prove it contract. Yeah, because Mike Gusecki is not signed after this year. Right, this was. He was good. When he was playing, he was good, but he was injured three times this year.
Speaker 2:He was very injured and that's like is that going to be a thing going forward or is it just one of those things where you're just going to get a bunch of small injuries?
Speaker 1:True, but Kyle Pitts has been healthy all year. He don't do shit. That's probably why he's so healthy he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2:No, for sure.
Speaker 1:Because he's a deep threat target.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I said Sorry, it's just something I've been.
Speaker 2:No, I mention it because I'm like, hey, just get him to a place where he can be used and, like they know how to use tight ends Be a good way to go. I'm not suggesting that. You know, zach Taylor is going to be the one to really put it together. It's going to be mostly Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1:He's like, hey, you is not really going to help. Our offensive coordinator got to the Pro Bowl. You see, he was a Pro Bowl selection. No, yeah, I'm not going to lie to you. I saw who it was and I'm like who the fuck are you Straight?
Speaker 2:I don't know who that is. Yeah, because he doesn't call plays but he ran the best offense in the NFL.
Speaker 1:so I guess, yeah, Zach Taylor calls plays.
Speaker 2:My guess is Pro Bowl doesn't matter, it's a seven on seven. So what does it matter? There is no actual game, so I don't know. But so you know what about a parlay together? I thought that'd be fun. Maybe I can talk you into it as we go through the podcast. Yeah, I'm good, come on, dude. No, thank you, my bets. I'm saying we both do it together. We both have input. You could say yes or no, and we'll do it together. It's a collaborative type of thing, it's all I'm saying Collaborative.
Speaker 1:No, thank you, brethren. I'm good, alright, okay.
Speaker 2:And I win a lot more bets. Alright, I just haven't the ones I've sent you, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's good for you.
Speaker 2:I hate you so much I hate me all.
Speaker 1:you want your bets suck ass.
Speaker 2:The ones I've sent you did, but I, why do you only?
Speaker 1:do you only send the?
Speaker 2:losing ones. Are you like this?
Speaker 1:is going to be funny. Kyle Pitts 25 yards. James, bet this, bet this, okay, joe.
Speaker 2:I trust you. That was a five-leg parlay and the other four hit Okay.
Speaker 1:Why did you ever put Kyle Pitts on it?
Speaker 2:That was a risk. I took a risk. It didn't work.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a risk, it was stupid. That was just stupid. It was just plain dumb.
Speaker 2:The odds were so good though.
Speaker 1:Bro, I would have been okay with winning. I would have legit been okay betting $5 and winning three. If I could have just taken that shit off because that shit was never hitting.
Speaker 2:It was never hitting. I get that. Now, I do. I understand that. Now, kyle Pitts was not the guy to throw money on. I get it, oh fine.
Speaker 1:The three years before this? Didn't he the three years and nine games he had played before this? Didn't tell you? This ain't the game to bet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he had a new quarterback. So, I figured it would be a little bit different of an offense that maybe he can do better in. You know it's funny. Later on in the season he did have some big moments. He had the game-winning touchdown yeah, the game right before that was why you made this fucking bet.
Speaker 1:No, the game after.
Speaker 2:It was actually the game after Does it fucking? Stupid as fuck.
Speaker 1:Stupid as fuck. I am never making a bet with you. I am never trusting your bets again. I am never letting you tail me in a bet.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, I tail you. You are a bad juju. You are a bad juju. I'm not bad juju. I've won plenty of bets.
Speaker 1:Except for the one you sent me.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I'm telling you Once is a coincidence.
Speaker 1:Two is an accident Before you're trying to fuck me, and when the fourth one was Kyle Pitts, 25 yards, but I'm not betting. I'm not betting. When the fourth one was Kyle Pitts, 25 yards, I should have came to your house and shot you dead Because you were trying to fuck me. I should have murdered you on the spot, dude.
Speaker 2:Look, I've said it to myself.
Speaker 1:Go fuck yourself, go fuck yourself. I don't want to look at anything you're saying.
Speaker 2:Next topic I've said it's a mistake. Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1:I don't want to look at anything you're saying. Next topic Okay, fine College World News After the last championship game, not this topic.
Speaker 2:So the title game viewership was down by 12% from last year. So 25 million views last year to 22 this year, but it did peak at 26 million. What factors may have led to this? So so there was a peak of 26 million on in this title game Cause obviously you have the big brands coming into, a probably two of the biggest brands in college football Ohio state, notre Dame, all that right. The viewership down to 12 million 12, sorry, 12, 22 million.
Speaker 2:So the thing is the this is a couple things I just wanted to say is that a lot of people are making this like a whole college football is a whole thing. It's like oh, the playoff is bad, I get it. It was a game where Ohio State got up very quickly and everybody turned the game off. I feel like that's a very simple explanation as to why the viewership was down. I don't think Michigan or Washington from last year is a bigger draw than what this year's was. I just think that one team kind of became a juggernaut throughout the playoff, throughout the playoff run, and there are a lot of people that kind of had that preconceived notion that if things went badly quickly, that it's going to stay that way. And again, notre Dame fought back and fought hard and I think they made it a game there at the end. So people that did end up watching the game and that didn't have like the all their hopes on Ohio State, there was a moment where like, oh, this is interesting. I was it really? Uh, ohio State's about to lose this game? It really wasn't, but Notre Dame did come back and make it a closer game, at least make it interesting at the end. Uh, but but no, it's just the viewership.
Speaker 2:A lot of people looking at the viewership and just saying, oh, what does this say? Like, do you know? That day was filled with so many things happening all at once, the 20th on monday. The inauguration happened that day with trump. So you have a lot of white people going crazy about that. I heard a joke that somebody that was there. They said that washington never looked so white like they said, dc never looked so white ever during the inauguration. Hilarious, um, but inauguration happened that day.
Speaker 2:You had the championship game happening that day and there's something else too, and not to mention, you're coming off the nfl, the nfl playoffs as well, and I think that's one other thing I wanted to talk about is the fact that this game was so late and according to how the schedules are going to turn out here in the next couple years, you're you're going to have some championship games going to be on the 24th turnout here in the next couple years, you're you're going to have some championship games going to be on the 24th of January. So I think the longer that you get and think about it this way is that Ohio State played that last game in the championship game on the 20th. They played the Michigan game at the end of the season on the 25th sorry, the 28th of of.
Speaker 2:November 25th of of november 25th no, it was january 3rd, one of those days that that last week of november. So I think you need to shrink the amount of time going, because it's like two, it's like two months. So the amount I think you need to shrink the amount of time that you have from the end of the season to the start of the playoff, because it's like three weeks for a lot of teams, uh, when you include, like the, the conference championship games and and then you have a two-week break after that before anything even starts. So I think you need to kind of lessen that and I think you also need to find some different ways to kind of bring the schedule back a little bit to where you're not ending it so late in January, because by this point, a lot of people that are casual college football watchers they're mostly on the NFL, they don't care about college football anymore, especially, obviously, once you get to the championship game. You're either a fan of one of the two teams that are there or it's a compelling enough game to make you want to watch it.
Speaker 2:And again, monday is a weird game, a weird time to have a game, especially on college football, because everybody's so conditioned to have college football games happen on either a Saturday or a Friday. That's pretty much it. Like that's where everybody's conditioned to watch college football. So the fact that it's on a Monday and again the only reason it's on a Monday is because they're trying to avoid the NFL games, because the NFL player playoffs is kind of takes over and they have games on both Saturday and Sunday in the in the playoffs. So I think they need to find a way to change up the calendar to get the play, the playoff, the championship game to happen a lot sooner, um, in january. So you don't necessarily have the same issue. But again, 22 million on a monday night is not necessarily the craziest number. Again it peaked at 26. I feel like if it was a more competitive game it would have been even higher than that. So I just want to mention that and just say that, like people that are freaking out about it, just it doesn't make any sense to freak out. There's plenty of uh things that can be, that can be fixed about it, but I just think that you, it's just one of the, it's just a weird day to kind of have all that happen at the same time. Oh, and it's martin luther king day, all on the same day. It was a very packed day to have, like all that many thick kind of storylines going throughout the day, to where there's some people that, if there's some people that forgot the game was even happening on that monday if they weren't a fan of one of those two teams, I kind of understand, because there's a lot going on, all right.
Speaker 2:Next thing, marcus Freeman says the loss is on his shoulders and that's it. Is it, though, that one of the main things is like a lot of people were a lot of Notre Dame fans were making fun of Brian Kelly, the LSU, the now LSU head coach, who used to coach at Notre Dame. He left Notre Dame, went to LSU, and when they asked him why he did so, he said the reason was that I don't think that we it is not possible to win a championship at Notre Dame with how the times are nowadays and coming up throughout this playoff run, and then, especially the week before this play, this uh, championship game happens, everybody's making fun of Brian Kelly and saying, hey, you kind of made Notre Dame out to be the problem, you were the problem, and with Morgan Freeman, that's insane. With Freeman as our head coach. He is going to get us there, and we're not only there. We have a chance to win this thing Again.
Speaker 2:It didn't happen that way, but now he's putting it on his shoulders, saying that it's his fault. It's not his fault. They ran up against a better team that was Ohio State. It was a buzzsaw type of factor and it the game had to like you would have had to run that same first drive over and over and over again, where you're running your quarterback nine, ten times a drive in order to do so, and that wasn't, and you weren't possible, weren't capable of doing that. It's not capable of doing that because it's just not how things go. So I just think the fact that he put it on his shoulders is obviously something he needs to say, because it's his, it is program. A lot of those players leave, and I get it. But at the same time now I think everybody that knows football knows it well enough to say that Notre Dame was at a decided disadvantage and they made it close, closer than anybody ever thought they would have again, it looked really bad at them in the middle of the game, but by the end they made it look a little better than it probably should and then it probably should have. So I think he needs to take he needs to take some pride in that and I think he but I think also everybody needs to understand that Notre Dame, as good as they are, as much better as they've been because of the academic standards, that Notre Dame, as good as they are, as much better as they've been because of the academic standards that Notre Dame has and because it's a different type of place Because it's such a religious school and all that they're not necessarily going to be able to attract all the same type of talent that you have at Ohio State and have at all the SEC schools and some of the bigger Big Ten schools. There's going to be a lot of places that are going to be able to do a lot, recruit different guys, more talented guys, because the situation isn't as niche as at Notre Dame. I just want to make sure I mentioned that one from Marcus Freeman. It's not his fault, it's just it was a team disadvantage and there's nothing he could do to fix that.
Speaker 2:Next one Final AP pool is out. Let me make sure I get that because I want to have it all out here. Osu does end at number one, obviously having the dominant run in the national championship game. And then so here's the ranking. Here, jace, you have Ohio State at one, with all the first place votes, notre Dame at two, oregon at three, texas at four, penn State at five, georgia's at six, arizona State at five, georgia's at six, arizona State at seven, boise State is at eight, tennessee is at nine, indiana's at ten.
Speaker 2:So here's my thing, and then for the totals, for the whole thing, the SEC had seven teams in the top 25. The Big Ten had five, the ACC had four, the big 12 had four, ac, the aac had two, the mountain west had two and the independent notre dame being number two, they have one. So, with that being the case, I have a question for you is the sec run of dominance over the? The sec is going to control college football? Because it's, honestly, for the most part I think it was like 13, of like I forget what the number is of like all the champions that have happened since like 2005.
Speaker 1:Like most SEC Right I know in the past 10 years, most of them are SEC. You have Alabama. A bunch of times Clemson is ACC. You have LSU, you have Georgia. I think Alabama has three. Georgia has two, lsu has one.
Speaker 2:Ohio State has one.
Speaker 1:Ohio State has two over the past 10 years.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, past 10 years. Ohio State has two.
Speaker 1:Clemson has two, alabama, I believe, has three, georgia has two, lsu has one Do they have three, or do they have? Four Three.
Speaker 2:Then LSU has two.
Speaker 1:Because when Florida State does not have one, yeah, they do.
Speaker 2:Over 10 years, over the last 10 years, yes, they do. When was Jameis drafted?
Speaker 1:2014,. Dude, go ahead.
Speaker 2:He was drafted in 2015. So they won the national championship after Ohio State the second year Because they beat. I think they beat Auburn. No, they beat Oregon.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me confirm with you they weren't. I was right. Ohio State, alabama, clemson, alabama, clemson LSU, alabama, georgia, georgia, michigan. Dude, I was naming it correctly. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:No, Florida State won it in 2013. The year before the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Ten years, dude.
Speaker 2:Ten years the year before the playoffs started. My bad.
Speaker 1:I told I legit, I gave you the order. Verbatim Said Ohio State, alabama, clemson, alabama, Clemson, and then it goes. I believe LSU does it after that Alabama, georgia, georgia, michigan and then Ohio.
Speaker 2:State, ohio State. Yes, I had it, I knew it in my head I inserted Jameis in there.
Speaker 1:That's my bad I knew he wasn't that guy.
Speaker 2:Well, he won a national championship, but it was in the old system.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It didn't matter, that don't mean shit All right?
Speaker 2:So is SEC dominance over? Have some of the rules that have, like the NIL and all of that kind of, brought everything even again to where the SEC is not going to have such a stranglehold on all of Cosmo Ball? When it comes to the upper tier of championship winning type of teams, first off, nick Saban had most of that control. Without Nick Saban, without that crazy man that sold his soul to the devil to have all these wins and all these championships, I think the SEC takes a drop just because of that, only because of that, because he carried the torch for the SEC and I think the rest of the SEC just kind of attached themselves to that. Lsu is one of those teams that have done every once in a while, but they're not necessarily a dominant force. Every year Georgia, with Kirby, has had their like resurgence where they had those back-to-back national championships. But it's like this year just shows that they can have their issues as well. They don't look as like bulletproof as what Nick Saban's Alabama team was. Is that even on a down year they still were like right there to win a championship, right?
Speaker 2:So I think with the things with nil. So now you can't build classes upon classes of hey, all my whole starting unit is all going to be first, first like all be draftable prospects, and then I also have five and four stars behind them. They're just waiting their turn. They're going to be the guys that are going to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's going to be, like it's going to be able to siphon off of that, especially for the SEC teams, that maybe you get those players to start because you're, they're right there in your backyard. But as soon as those players realize like hey, I'm not going to get to be able to play here as much as I want to, they're going to go to other schools because, nil, they can get a nice check and then get a chance to start sooner. So I think with the SEC, what they did for so long was have classes. They just build classes upon classes of dominance and they just have players on players waiting to go. So even if guys get hurt, there is no drop off because you just have another guy raring to go and just be just as good. So I think that's something you lose out on with how things are nowadays.
Speaker 1:I agree which is a big thing that fuck Alabama would do. For a long time you'd have running back rooms of Derrick Henry, josh Jacobs, aaron Jones, like a bunch of dudes that were that good, all at the same time. Or you'd have a quarterback room of Mac Jones, jalen Hurts, tua. You'd have a bunch. He's gonna go up, then he's gonna go up, then he's gonna go up. They're all ready to go.
Speaker 2:So I Especially at quarterback.
Speaker 1:Quarterback now like it don't work like that either you.
Speaker 2:It's going to be very hard to have class of class of great quarterbacks sitting there waiting no, either I'm gonna get paid or I'm gonna go play the fact that texas has held on to march manning for two years without him really having a chance to play is insane.
Speaker 2:That's very rare and like he's like in a spot where he doesn't need the money. He's already coming from a family with money, so like that's not something he really needs to do and they focus on his development. He's like's like hey, I'm willing to wait, let Quinn yours play this out, and it's going to be his job going into next year. So that's rarely going to happen. He's going to be a one-and-done, ain't he? If he does well next year, yeah, he'll be a one-and-done. That's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:But again, if he does come out next year, he isn't as good as they probably need to rush it. They'll say, hey, arch, we'll give you whatever money you want, just go ahead and play another year, have another year of development and you'll be ready for the NFL. They get to slow, play it as much as they want to, because Arch Manning ain't trying to save nobody. He don't have to pay nobody's bills. Everybody is taken care of. So he can just sit there, even though he's getting a ton of NIL money already and he's like one of the highest NIL-valued college athletes and he's gone on the field a little bit this year when he was getting hurt, because you have to keep him and then you have to keep him.
Speaker 1:That's why he's probably one of the highest. People are probably throwing a hell of money at him to come over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Texas has to throw a lot of money at him just to keep him there Just to keep him around, yeah, so, with all that being the case, think for the SEC again there's always going to be teams that are going to have a slanted towards them Ohio State, the Georgias, the Bamas Because they just have so much NIO money. You're going to have nothing. So they're going to have teams that are going to be a little bit better off, right, but I just think the amount of just the overbearing amount of players that are just raring to go they're all four and five stars that's not going to happen as much anymore. I think Ohio State being as talented as they were to win the championship this year, that's going to only happen because a lot of four-year guys decided to come back and Penn State's trying to do that and build that going into next year, and that's what Michigan did last year for their championship. That's the only way you're going to have these overbearingly great teams is if you have guys stay but like for the system that's been is like a three years and out, you're not gonna be able to build teams like these teams have been for the last 10 years or so, especially in the sec.
Speaker 2:So I just think and that kind of goes into my next thing with this is that the betting odds for next year's championship texas has the highest, the highest odds, with like plus 450. Ohio State's right behind it, plus 500. And then you just have a bunch of teams after that that already have all this. So you can already bet on it if you wanted to. They already have the odds for the Ohio State and Texas game, the first game of the season next season. Already bet on that game. It's Ohio State minus three and a half Good for at home. So it kind of makes sense. But it's going to be Arch Manning versus Julian Zayen. New quarterbacks, a lot of brand new teams. Both these teams are going to have a lot of players leave.
Speaker 1:Your defense is going to be Pick clean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because of the draft mostly, Not necessarily because we're losing guys to the portal.
Speaker 1:No, they're just going to be picked clean because of the draft. You have a lot of seniors.
Speaker 2:Right, but guess what? We still have Caleb Dantz. That's a good starting point.
Speaker 1:That's a great starting point, agreed, but even offensively, aren't both your backs going to the NFL?
Speaker 2:Both backs are, but we still have all the wide receivers. They're all coming back. Our offensive line, our interior, our three guys they're going to be back and we have two tackles that came in via transfer, that they're both four or five year guys, so they're ready to go. We don't have to build up anybody. Oh, no, one of them is a sophomore, but he played at Minnesota last year so he's been in the Big Ten and kind of played against some of these defensive lines.
Speaker 1:He played at Minnesota. I would assume he's a very large guy. He's a big boy. He's like 6'5". 6'6". Yeah, he came from a farm where he ate nothing but fresh grain and meat, so he's going to be fine. He's a big boy.
Speaker 2:So I just think I already bet on that game, so all those are coming out. So this is my thing. Ohio talking about a repeat again. I would love for that to be the case. I think repeats are very unlikely to happen nowadays. It's about, like we just said, for now, with why the sec is like that, is that it's just repeats are just. It's so rare. You have to be in the perfect spot you have that players not leave, yeah I just think repeats are going to scrub like a dime, like it's.
Speaker 2:It barely ever happens before, even before how things have been. But with NIL and everything now it's just not going to be very likely to happen ever again.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Georgia being the last team to do it. I don't think you're going to have another one, unless you have just an overbearingly powerful great quarterback that can just, like you know, trevor Lawrence types. But again, even he only won one championship.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he spent another two years doing nothing. Yeah, and then he spent another two years doing nothing. So I just the idea of everybody talking about a repeat going in next year. I think it's a very unlikely ability. I think Ohio State's good enough to where they're going to be in the playoff. They're going to be playing for it, they're going to be in the hunt. But the idea of just automatically going in next year saying, hey, we're going to have the team win championships this year it's a hard task.
Speaker 2:But again, starting with caleb downs and jeremiah smith probably the best defensive player and offensive player in football- yeah in college football maze is a very good start, but I think you have to build out the rest of the team, so it's gonna be a lot harder to do with nil and all that. Yeah, the one word answer is like ad libs if I'm rapping a dude, I, I don't care.
Speaker 1:My best defensive player, my linebacker, the white dude 97, who's really really good. Yeah, he just graduated with his master's because he was that smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bro foregoed his senior year enrolled in college, graduated in three years, started his master's, graduated again in three years and that was my best defensive player.
Speaker 2:You're gonna have good players, man, you're gonna have good players. Will it turn out to be a great team?
Speaker 1:That is yet to be seen, my nigga, if we can win five, I'd be surprised and I told you at the start of this year, if we win five, I'm surprised. We won five and I was fucking surprised. No way we were winning six.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I. We won five and I was fucking surprised. No way we were winning six. Yeah, I lost my money on that one. We're legit bottom five in the Big Ten bottom five we were bottom five in the Big Ten the only school I can almost score. Better than them is Northwestern.
Speaker 2:We are better than Northwestern and we barely beat Northwestern yeah, you're not wrong, it's gonna be an upward climb, but I'm saying you have to.
Speaker 1:There was only four teams in the Big Ten. That went under 500.
Speaker 2:My bad.
Speaker 1:There was only four teams in the Big Ten that didn't make a bowl game UCLA, wisconsin, northwestern.
Speaker 2:There's more than that. That didn't make a bowl game.
Speaker 1:Six games makes a bowl game. Oh sorry, no, there was four, two.
Speaker 2:Northwestern. There's more than that. They make a bowl game. Six games makes a bowl game. Oh sorry, no, there was four, two, three, four, five. There's six. What's six? You got Michigan.
Speaker 1:State.
Speaker 2:UCLA, wisconsin, northwestern Maryland and Purdue how many?
Speaker 1:games did Maryland and Purdue win?
Speaker 2:Maryland had four wins.
Speaker 1:Purdue had one.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Guess who Purdue beat you? Yeah, yes, guess who. Maryland beat you by a lot. Maryland beat us by a lot, a lot. You know why we have five wins. We're good enough to go play Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 2:We're good enough to get that kind of schedule.
Speaker 1:We get to play Eastern Michigan, central Michigan, western Michigan we can go play those teams. East Michigan, central Michigan, western Michigan we can go play those teams. But we also are good enough to where Ohio State, penn State, purdue we fucking lost to Purdue. We got the. What the fuck they won? Win and it was us yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a bad game. It was a bad game.
Speaker 1:Oh, we also lost to.
Speaker 2:Maryland, I watched that game. It was a bad game. Okay, dude.
Speaker 1:Look, I know there is no hope for you, you're just yapping. You're yapping, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I know, okay, can we go to NFL stuff now.
Speaker 1:Dude, I've been dying to go to the NFL stuff.
Speaker 2:Why don't we?
Speaker 1:talk about college football stuff first. I don't care about it.
Speaker 2:Well, because I'd rather, I would imagine let's talk about the stuff Jace cares about.
Speaker 1:We'll have an end to the podcast of the Jace segment. I'll leave Go home.
Speaker 2:And then you can finish the podcast. I got to keep you engaged. I have to hold it like a carrot on a stick.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I have to keep you engaged until the end. I kid you not.
Speaker 1:You need to stop starting with college football, or you're going to start the podcast 20 minutes and I'll come in after We'll restart the podcast.
Speaker 2:I'll start recording my own segments to just insert in to my yes, yes, yes or legit, you can Welcome back to the Gives. Us Podcast. This is the.
Speaker 1:Joe's College Football segment and then I'll come in. Welcome back to the Gives Us Podcast. Blah, blah, blah, blah. We'll actually start the podcast. Podcast. You do your bullshit at the start because I don't give a fuck about college football Legit. The last 20 minutes I've been sitting on my phone.
Speaker 2:I'm aware.
Speaker 1:I can do the same shit with my mic off. I don't care about college football, michigan State's ass I know it's you, nil only makes them worse because we can't pay nobody as much.
Speaker 2:But that's going to change, though. How? Because they made the house settlement, will we?
Speaker 1:ever get a player as good as Jeremiah Smith to come to Michigan State.
Speaker 2:No you're not going to get that. No, oh, what about Carnell Tate? But you have Nick Marsh.
Speaker 1:Nigga, nigga, be for real. Nick Marsh is very good. He's very good.
Speaker 2:Right, he's very good. Right, he's very good.
Speaker 1:Nick Marsh is a three-star recruit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, development.
Speaker 1:Guess what happened last time? We had receivers, this good. We had Jalen Reed, who only stayed at Michigan State because Peyton Thorn was at Michigan State and they were high school teammates, jalen Reed was?
Speaker 2:I think it was Jaden.
Speaker 1:Yes, Jaden Reed now plays for the Packers. He's fucking good. He's good Most of the time. They're number one option. Yeah, you're telling me he don't go to a different school, doesn't get better numbers and is drafted higher in the third round.
Speaker 2:He was a third-round pick when you see him play for the Packers.
Speaker 1:He looks much better than a third-round pick. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know why he was a third-round pick.
Speaker 1:Because he was at Michigan State. Oh, so hate, I despise. Goes to Florida State and so much better, everybody knows his name. He's a second round pick.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:know who Keon Coleman is when he's at Michigan State. No.
Speaker 2:Actually I've heard of it. Obviously I knew him before he went there, because I despise that motherfucker.
Speaker 1:Because he's not that good. Yeah, I know. So you're telling me this receiver that just had 1,100 yards is going to stay at my school for another two years.
Speaker 2:It's already over. He hasn't transferred.
Speaker 1:For this year. Yeah, what's going to happen? A child's going to go out there.
Speaker 2:Actually, you know what's funny? That's a lie, because he still has a chance. There's a spring window. Yes, there is.
Speaker 1:So what happens if he's playing spring?
Speaker 2:ball and was like that was a third overthrown ball. I'm going to go somewhere else Then somebody's going to pay him a lot of money Because he's that good. He's good.
Speaker 1:There was three receivers selected, three freshman receivers selected, and he was one of them. I agree, no one knew he was that good, because who's watching the Michigan State game? Not many people.
Speaker 2:Exactly you were, because you had a bet going.
Speaker 1:I was because I'm in hell. I chose the wrong team back in 2014. Back in 2013. I chose the wrong team. I have to deal with it every day. You can always switch. No.
Speaker 2:I hate you that much, you can switch to a different team. That you can still hate me who. You can go pick an oregon. You'd be the trendy pick oregon. They're always gonna be good I'd rather suffer in silence.
Speaker 1:I suffered for nine, for 11 years with the bangles. I'm gonna commit to it okay eventually michigan state may be good, or my coach will go touch more well. There was a point where they were good, yeah, I was too young for that.
Speaker 2:And then, when they you caught the tail end of them still being good.
Speaker 1:No, I caught the tail end of them getting beat the fuck up the next year and I'm like, oh, football's cool.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't cool. You've seen it in a playoff. That's something Penn State can't say Well, until now.
Speaker 1:I can also say I won't see them in a playoff, for who fucking knows? The closest thing I've ever seen to a championship for one of my teams is us being there yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I've never tasted victory. I didn't know how to act when the Bengals were on their way to the Super Bowl because I had never been here. I'd never seen a win in a playoff game. How the fuck am I supposed to act? The Bengals were on the way to the Super Bowl because I had never been here. I'd never seen a win in a playoff game. How the fuck am I supposed to act? And now I'll never know how. I'll never truly know how to act. I'll never get there again.
Speaker 2:You'll get there with the Bengals, for sure. Okay, you'll get there with the Bengals.
Speaker 1:Who are my best? Three defensive players.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Shoot DJ Ivy, let go ahead shoot DJ. Ivy, mm-hmm. Um, let's see Hendrickson gonna be gone. Yeah, um, let me see Stone. No, uh, sorry, no, stone is not. Stone is not one of your best two players. Um, we'll say the other. Your other safety, uh, from Bama Mm-hmm, battle Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And then let's see, and he's more of a raw product than a good player. He's a very raw product. Go ahead, continue.
Speaker 2:And I got nothing else, because all your defensive linemen are kind of old and probably not going to be there after this year. Oh, hilton, there you go. Hilton, nickel Corner, there you go, did you just?
Speaker 1:give me a fucking Nickel Corner. Yeah, I'm going to beat your ass. I'm sorry. Did you watch Mims do a jump ball on him too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's going to happen. But he's still very good Doing what, Not covering. Do you know what I want when you watch the Bengals play every week? The announcer will say it once every game.
Speaker 1:It'll happen like clockwork.
Speaker 2:Mike Hilton is the best blitzing nickel corner in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Yes, he will. You're right, it does happen like clockwork. You know why? Because he can't cover.
Speaker 2:He can cover. But it's just, they just understand the offense you end up facing, understand like, hey, they don't just have just like some stupid corner playing on the inside. No, they're going to throw their best wide receiver in the slot too. And if your best corner is not going to follow them, you have Mike Hilton then having to play DB on him and it's not going to go.
Speaker 1:Well. When Mike Hilton's in the game, I'm like they're blitzing. He's going to blitz around the set. He's going to get a sack. Mike Hilton had eight sacks. He's good. That's a crazy number for a DB. That's almost as many as TJ Watt. Fun fact who's up for the DPO? I don't know why I don it's because of his impact on the team.
Speaker 2:Without him, we suck even more Actually. I don't think you do, I'm not claiming that he was the best defensive player this year. I'm not.
Speaker 1:It's okay, it was Trey Henderson, but it'll still be given to Myles Garrett.
Speaker 2:He doesn't deserve it. Neither does Myles Garrett. He doesn't deserve to have it either. I really do think Henderson probably deserves it. You know what's funny? All the guys that are up to be the defense player of the year, they all are on bad teams everyone again, the sealers are a good team because of the record, but like, were they actually that good? No, they weren't, and miles garrett obviously played for a sucky team. So like the defense player of the year. Just, they run by different, different standards because in the offense you can't.
Speaker 1:It should be the best defensive player. Okay, real quick. Uh, I just want to get into this. Mvp candidates for the year are jared golf saquon barkley, josh allen and and lamar jackson. Uh, so the office player, the? Uh. The mvp candidates are lamar jackson, joe burrow and josh allen, because the other two niggas aren't winning it. Let's be, let's be for real, um yeah, unfortunately, offense player of the year is Saquon Joe Burrow, jamar Chase, derrick Henry, lamar Jackson. That's a much tighter race.
Speaker 2:It's going to be Saquon.
Speaker 1:Most likely Saquon, defensive player of the year. He needs it or something. Zach Braun, linebacker for the Eagles yeah, he's very good.
Speaker 2:He's one of two white players on their defense Miles, defensively, miles.
Speaker 1:Garrett, Troy Hendrickson, Patrick Sertain, who's the other guy that's actually up for it?
Speaker 2:Oh, Sertain's actually really good. That makes sense. He had a great year.
Speaker 1:He's up for it, and TJ Watt who, again, I truly believe he doesn't belong here.
Speaker 2:No, there's Miles Garrett. Like a lot of them don't deserve it, I know, but Miles Garrett at least had 14 sacks.
Speaker 1:Tj Watt. I don't think Eclipse Very well. Offensive Rookie of the Year Brock Bowers, jaden.
Speaker 2:Daniels, Blake Nabors, Bo Nix, Brian Thomas. Jaden Daniels is winning, though It'll be Jaden Daniels, but Brock Bowers was that fucking guy.
Speaker 1:Brock Bowers deserves it. He really does deserve it. Defensive Rookie of the Year Any other?
Speaker 2:year that Jaden Daniels doesn't exist, he's probably winning it, I agree.
Speaker 1:Defensive Player of the Year Cooper Dijon and Jared Verse.
Speaker 2:Jared Verse might win it, because the Rams kind of made a run there at the end to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1:I don't know any of these guys. I don't care. Comeback Player of the Year Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2:Is he Comeback? Player of the.
Speaker 1:Year Comeback Player of the Year Joe Burrow, Sam Donald, JK Dobbins, Chris Gonzalez, DeMar Hamlin, It'll be Joe Burrow. Can you deny Joe Burrow?
Speaker 2:Any of them play like how he did. No, but comeback player of the year. I think that implies that you were really bad last year. Joe Burrow was good until he ended up getting hurt, but he was good, Was he?
Speaker 1:4,600?.
Speaker 2:I would say Sam.
Speaker 1:Darnold. Okay, tell him when he stops seeing ghosts to show up.
Speaker 2:He was left for dead and came out and had a great year this year. Ghosts.
Speaker 1:He didn't know where he was going.
Speaker 2:Yes, but Sam Darnold's stats are very good.
Speaker 1:Were they, joe Burrow good.
Speaker 2:No, obviously they weren't.
Speaker 1:And why is DeMar Hamlin up for this award again?
Speaker 2:Because he actually played more as a player. Dude, what are we—? He actually made a play in the freaking playoff game against the Ravens.
Speaker 1:I understand, but, like you know, Again, that guy will.
Speaker 2:as long as he's playing in an NFL uniform, he's going to be on that list Because, like, oh, you should be dead. Don't care they should have buried him on the field he was on.
Speaker 1:Should have buried him under the field he was playing on. You are talking to the wrong person.
Speaker 2:Well, I know, I get it. That brings up PTSD for you. I understand, should have been first round. Fucking bye, yeah, I know that will go down.
Speaker 1:All because we were a game short. Oh you, motherfucking. Both of us beat Kansas City, though. Yes, again, I'm Y'all should have just gave it a tie. You know, what's funny, if they would have just made the game a tie, we both still would have been ahead of Kansas City.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I understand. This is one of I understand, can you?
Speaker 1:tell me it's not After the game we watched.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of things that keep happening, that like, ah, like, it's hard for me to make an argument, even though I really don't believe. So I really think that it only looks this way because they're as good as they are.
Speaker 1:You've seen a team win at least 14 of their games by three points.
Speaker 2:The Patriots did it like this all the time too. Three points no, the Patriots were built to win like that.
Speaker 1:The Patriots, the Chiefs, were winning, in spite of them playing like ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of somehow. Yeah, every quarterback you face outplays Mahomes by a fuck ton.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't matter, because they're efficient when they need to be In the red zone.
Speaker 1:But somehow Not making turnovers Somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, every kicker for the other team misses the kick. They just let you beat yourself.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:They did block a kick against the Broncos.
Speaker 1:They actually blocked it Again. That's the only game. They deserve the win.
Speaker 2:And Bo.
Speaker 1:Nix went crazy in that game. Yeah, crazy in that game. They're winning, in spite of Mahomes being hot, fucking ass.
Speaker 2:I'm glad he's not up for it.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad he's not an MVP finalist.
Speaker 2:He doesn't deserve it. That would have made no fucking sense.
Speaker 1:He doesn't have the stats to be. He's legit like the 12th best quarterback in the NFL right now.
Speaker 2:Stat-wise Legit. Stat-wise. Yes, stat-wise, he's the 12th best quarterback in the NFL. Yes, 12th best quarterback in the NFL. Yes, stat-wise. Yes, but no, everybody kind of knows that's not really the case. Oh he's the best quarterback in the NFL. Like until somebody like you know wins a championship, swap him and Joe.
Speaker 1:Burrow right now. Swap them right now. Joe Burrow's an eight-time Super Bowl champion. I don't give a fuck what you say to me, joe Burrow. Ah, let let's continue. All right, you have any other rewards you want to talk about?
Speaker 2:Okay, nfl coaching positions are being filled. Pats, bears, jets have all been filled Pats by Vrabel, bears by Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson Jets with the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1:For the Lions.
Speaker 2:Aaron Glenn. Yeah, Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1:They have another defensive head coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So here's my question Of those three that have been filled, because the other ones still have to be, you still have the Saints you still have?
Speaker 1:the Jacksonville Jaguars, those still need to be filled. Saints are in capital.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Cowboys Saints are truly in capital.
Speaker 1:Oh, Saints are so bad, so badly in capital.
Speaker 2:Negative 50 million yeah they're so bad, so I want to talk about those, because those are still going to be the thing. We'll talk about them as they come they have to be losing money every season.
Speaker 2:They're not losing money, but they're just like they can't. They don't have any wiggle room to sign new players and do all that because they keep having to do so many reworks and they end up owing more money long term because they have to extend all these guys and just keep giving them money so they can make the cap charge lower. It's crazy. It's like you do this on the NFL Madden but then when you look at it in real life you're like why are they doing this? It's like to start dropping players.
Speaker 1:I think it was last year. You were playing Madden, you were trying to play with the Saints and you was like what? You were like I can't get him in a positive cap, I can't do anything. I was like what you were like I can't win games because I have no players. I can't get rid of players because their contracts suck.
Speaker 2:And you were like I can't make positive cap. They're untradeable. There's so much money being made. If I drop them, there's dead cap hit, so it's you make no money.
Speaker 1:There's nowhere to go. It's like there's nowhere to move. It is impossible. You stopped. You were five games in and stopped.
Speaker 2:The saints should have stopped this three years ago. They really should have. They should have just blown all this stuff up, but they kept trying again, to the, to their credit, they keep trying to win.
Speaker 1:They're not just trying to. This team is good, I just think.
Speaker 2:They just have no movement up or down.
Speaker 1:Agreed At some point you have to reset. I think you keep Chris Olave and then restart. Restart, Maybe Alvin Kamara, but if he'll take a cheaper deal but he won't Alvin.
Speaker 2:Kamara's probably 30. The fact that he was trying to look for a new deal, I don't think they signed him. But yeah, but it's just okay. So get back to my actual question Of the three guys that have accepted head coach positions, which ones which of those three? Or if you had to rank them, how? Like as fast as which? Ones are going to be the quickest to find success of, you know, making the playoffs actually doing something legitimate.
Speaker 1:What were they again?
Speaker 2:Ben Johnson going to the Bears, you have Mike Vrabel going to the Patriots and, by the way, the Patriots they got McDaniels again, the offensive coordinator that's always been with the Patriots multiple times over.
Speaker 1:He works on the Patriots and the Patriots only.
Speaker 2:I get it, but you can get some new blood in there. I just don't understand Mike McDaniels. He was great with Tom Brady, but like can you say that he's worked well with any other quarterback he's had in his career?
Speaker 1:He's worked well with the Patriots, so I guess he works really well with the Patriots. So I guess it's not like they're hiring a new regime, like you said on podcast. Mike Vrabel is the same thing.
Speaker 2:it's the same shit, but younger. Yeah, it is, it really is. So, joss mcdaniel, he's like the more he's, just the more cool version. Yes, josh mcdaniel's making perfect sense but yeah, but he's like rabel's worked with so many other guys. I'm like I just don't understand how you don't like I think it makes perfect sense and with the quarterback you have, I'm like don't you want to have like a more explosive, explosive office? Mike mcdanDaniel's not like Dude, I think it makes sense. You're just going back to the well that's already been had.
Speaker 2:If I had to rank them, it'd be which ones are going to be the quickest to find success?
Speaker 1:What was the just one's name?
Speaker 2:It's Aaron Glenn from the.
Speaker 1:Vrabel, aaron Glenn Ben Johnson. Vrabel, just because I think that team's going to be, he's going to have a lot of control and he can do stuff like draft. He can coach a team. He's a very big culture builder, that he's a very defensive oriented team, not? And then what was the other guy's name?
Speaker 2:Aaron.
Speaker 1:Glenn, aaron Glenn, because they have everything else.
Speaker 2:So I think if they have a decent, my caveat is I think if Aaron Glenn can find, if, like if that Jets team can, convince Aaron. Rodgers to retire.
Speaker 1:Then they'll be fine.
Speaker 2:I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 1:If they can find consistency, I think they'll be okay. The Bears are truly, down to the bones, a dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 2:They have a bad offensive line.
Speaker 1:They have a bad offensive line. They have a defense that doesn't gel well together. They have a bunch of guys that are paid a shit ton of money to not do anything. I think that team needs to restart more than anybody else of. We need to truly cut everybody loose and cut and start fresh. You brought in a wide receiver but stuffed him on a depth chart full of other wide receivers. Uh, I don't. I. I don't understand the keen allen. I so don't understand that trade.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make sense I think that was just like they were trying to make it the offense for this year, for this year, yeah you should have let him go. Kept dj more, kept um roma dunesay, that should have been your offense, because roma dunesay got buried on a depth chart roma dunesay is very, very good and he was and you used a top 10 pick on the guy you did, and he was buried like he was still, very good though he was, he had like five, six.
Speaker 1:But again, he should have been your number two option and not your number three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially since he'd be so cheap by comparison.
Speaker 1:You need a better back. Your backfield was abysmal. You need to tell Caleb Williams hey, stop holding the fucking ball so long and stop trying to wait for the big play. Throw the short route. I think Ben Johnson can help that.
Speaker 2:He did that with golf.
Speaker 1:The fact your defense is such a problem. You have a lot of veteran defensive players.
Speaker 2:They have talent on the defensive side, which is a good thing.
Speaker 1:It's just you have to cut all these veteran defensive players loose and start from zero, because they don't gel well together. You paid a bunch of guys. They spent the most money in free agency this past year. And it hurt, it helped and it hurt you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got better you got to cut all these guys loose. But also, they're just not.
Speaker 1:It got worse at the same time, you should have signed three or four veterans and then signed a bunch of young players.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Guys who you want to keep for two, three years.
Speaker 2:You guys, you have to go out there and defense, defense, defense, O-line, O-line, O-line. That's all you were drafting this year.
Speaker 1:Lots of O-line that is all you were going out there drafting With the way that Ben Johnson wants to play his offensive line.
Speaker 2:You need an offensive line, there is no question.
Speaker 1:You need one. I think your receiver room is pretty good. I'd draft another couple pieces or I'd sign a couple other guys that just fill the room a little bit better. You ass, it was Freeman Not good. Was it Freeman or was it something like that? I don't remember. It was something similar to Freeman.
Speaker 2:It was the guy that was playing for the Swift.
Speaker 1:It was Swift.
Speaker 2:DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 1:Yes. He's a good back, but they didn't use him right. Stop taking chances on him. If he didn't work on the Lions, he won't work anywhere. Alright, I'll give you that. Stop taking chances on him. Alright, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2:Stop taking chances on him. I believe today Not to be a number one back. Maybe he's a good secondary back, real quick. He didn't work on the Lions or Eagles.
Speaker 1:Let's get that straight. He didn't work on either of those two teams and they like running the ball.
Speaker 2:It worked with the Eagles.
Speaker 1:But when you add no, it didn't when you add a real running back in Saquon.
Speaker 2:You can just tell how, how low it actually was last year.
Speaker 1:It should have worked better. He only had 800 yards, it should have been better?
Speaker 2:No, for sure.
Speaker 1:Especially when he was behind a great O-line. Saquon is behind a worse O-line overall, but he didn't do as much so everything stopped taking chances on Swift. He's not that good.
Speaker 2:He's not your bell cow back. No, he's a good secondary back, but he is not a bell cow it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1:I just think Ben Johnson's in the one organization where they're truly dysfunctional top to bottom and they're truly dysfunctional. I think the Jets have realized, and Rodgers ain't it, but we can't get rid of him.
Speaker 2:And as much as I think Caleb Williams is a very talented quarterback.
Speaker 1:I don't know, or is it a guarantee that he's going to be an NFL stud? I just don't see it. Yet I have seen nothing. Drake May and be like damn.
Speaker 2:I've seen flashes. I've seen real flashes.
Speaker 1:This kid can play. Yeah, he can fucking play, and he was playing for a worse team, which makes it that much crazier. He was balling out.
Speaker 2:It's like Caleb had everything handed to him and he still struggled like he did this year he was balling out, drake May was balling out.
Speaker 1:He was making some mistakes, big plays, he threw some interceptions, cool.
Speaker 2:But damn, he was pushing the ball down the field, he was trying to make things happen.
Speaker 1:And I will give Caleb Williams was the worst performing quarterback of the first round there was points where you looked scared during this year.
Speaker 2:He did it almost felt like they overcoached him and just said, hey, no making mistakes, no making mistakes, no making mistakes. And then he overcorrected and was I'm not going to make any mistakes. The same shit they did with Justin.
Speaker 1:Fields Exactly. Yes, one for one. A dysfunctional organization brings in a new shiny toy. They're breaking the toy. They're going to get rid of it and get a new shiny toy. Exactly that's why I think Ben Johnson won. Why the fuck did you take this job, dude? This is the worst job. This was the worst job out there. I don't know why he took this job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, last year you would take the Washington Because they drafted Jaden Daniels and look at Jaden Daniels. You could have did some shit with that. Oh yeah, no question, I think he can fix Caleb, I don't think Caleb needs fixed.
Speaker 1:I think Caleb needs proper coaching.
Speaker 2:I think he needs structure. I don't believe Ben.
Speaker 1:Johnson can fix an organization.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he can't do that.
Speaker 1:That's my problem. The Bears are dysfunctional.
Speaker 2:They sell the same GM, they sell the same football ops, they sell all of that. Everything's the same and it's still dysfunctional. You're just bringing in a coach.
Speaker 1:You're bringing in a good coach, but a good coach can't fix a dysfunctional organization, from owner to fucking equipment manager, you guys are dysfunctional. You can't fix that the Jets are dysfunctional.
Speaker 2:With Aaron Glenn at the helm, I feel like they can go back to being a defensive first type of team.
Speaker 1:I think that's how you should run and that's the strength of their team. You need a different quarterback.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:I think everybody on the Jets knows that.
Speaker 2:Do you think a Sam Donald reunion could be good?
Speaker 1:I think Sam Donald would sooner kill himself than go back to the Jets and then go back to the Jets. They legit could come at him $65 million a year for five years. Sam Donald would be like I have nightmares of this team, I have PTSD of this. No, no, and you know what's funny. I'd be like, okay, fair enough, okay.
Speaker 2:I get that.
Speaker 1:No, nope, I truly believe there's nothing in Sam Donald's bones that will tell him to go back to the Jets. Okay, fine.
Speaker 2:I totally understand. I totally understand.
Speaker 1:Y'all be better off going and trying to get Zach Wilson back, because I don't think there's any former Jets quarterback of the last five years that would willingly go back to the Jets.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:You'd have to. It'd be legit, like trying to drag them back to the gates of hell.
Speaker 2:So you would just draft somebody and, but you have to get rid of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1:You can't let him come back, or Howard would be a great draft for the Jets, don't do that.
Speaker 2:I want the Steelers to get him.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, if you need a quarterback, that you don't need the offense to be amazing, you just need him. Hey, throw the closest to actually being a contending team because they have so many weapons. But the Jets are locked under Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2:Right, it's his decision, but they're still better than the Bears, because if he wants to come back, they can't tell him.
Speaker 1:Which is why Will Howard's a perfect one. He's a good go-to guy. He's a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. We're happy-go-lucky guy. He's big, he can run. He's going to take some abuse back because your line's ass your line is not good, so you need a bigger. That's something they really need, so they're going to need a quarterback that he's going to have to take some hits and be able to move. Try to get away from something will blow somebody the fuck up.
Speaker 1:five yards downfield. True, he's a quarterback that can reinvigorate people, but he's not going to be a first-round pick. He's a mid-second, mid-second or a third or an early third. He's a guy you can get later and Aaron Rodgers, not feel threatened.
Speaker 2:True, or you want Aaron Rodgers to feel threatened. I don't want Aaron Rodgers to be anywhere near my team. I'm done, dude. You can't continue this.
Speaker 1:I think Will Howard would be a great pick.
Speaker 2:He's a big guy, stop doing this.
Speaker 1:He's a big guy, he can throw the football, he can run a very easy offense.
Speaker 2:I need the skills to get him in the second round. Man, don't do this to me, the Jets should simplify the offense.
Speaker 1:Throw it to Garrett Wilson, hand the ball to Brees Hall. That's all we do. Yeah, simple as that, and you know what. They have tight ends, you know what Howard can do.
Speaker 2:Devontae Adams is probably gone after this year. He's gone, he's going to be somewhere else, where else? Is he going to go? So yeah, so if I had to rank them, I'd probably put the Jets at one, With the caveat that if Aaron Rodgers is gone, I think they're probably the closest.
Speaker 1:I put them at two because Aaron Rodgers isn't going to leave. He's going to be there another year, If we're going to be realistic. He's going to play his deal out and fuck the Jets for one more year.
Speaker 2:Oh goodness gracious, If we're going to be realistic?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. I put Vrabel at one because he's going it.
Speaker 2:He's the only one going it in with a fresh organization, yeah, but I also think that organization needs. All they have is a quarterback. I know, which is why Christian.
Speaker 1:Gonzalez, that's it, which is why I'm putting Braybel at one, because he gets so much more control than the others.
Speaker 2:True, he got his own GM in there.
Speaker 1:They want a coach with control, because the Patriots don't know what the fuck they're doing. Right and unlike Belichick, braybel can draft he has been able to draft, yes he. Vrabel can draft he has been able to draft. Yes, he drafts very well. The only thing he, as we can see the Titans lose him and then they draft Will Levis? Oh, fuck, like, come on.
Speaker 2:Can't put that on him.
Speaker 1:Vrabel can draft. Vrabel can build a team. Vrabel's a very good culture builder. Players like him. He can entice players to come there and when you have a fresh quarterback like Drake, may Vrabel's going in there. Like I know what I need. You don't need the biggest piece.
Speaker 2:No, you don't need the biggest piece on the table. You can get smaller pieces. That's why I, personally, put the Patriots number one. Oh, and I also put the Patriots at two, because the Patriots have the most money, the most cap space $125 million.
Speaker 1:So like they have also at one for me.
Speaker 2:I put them at $125 million. They have a bunch of money. A bunch of money. What? Yeah, I have them at two just because I think they just need to build it out still, and then the Bears at three, like for reasons we already mentioned. I think Ben Johnson can give Caleb some structures, what he probably needs, and just give him some kind of good advice, because again, he fixed golf, they fixed Goff.
Speaker 1:I don't think he fixed Goff. I think he refined Goff.
Speaker 2:You refined Goff. Sorry, refined is probably the better word.
Speaker 1:Refined was Goff was always a pretty decent quarterback.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Goff at his best was never what Caleb Williams has ever looked like in his career.
Speaker 1:No, but I think Goff at his best can control a team.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure I think Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1:I think golf at his worst can still get you through a game. I think Caleb Williams at his worst is not a good quarterback, right.
Speaker 2:But that's.
Speaker 1:Personally, I put the Patriots at number one because Vrabel gets all the control. They have a bunch of money. He's getting a brand new start on a brand new team. They're fresh. And I think the Jets are number two because they're going to stick with the N-Riders. They're still a little dysfunctional and I agree with you, Bears are three. You can't fix a dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 2:You can't. No, you can't. You hope to try to build a house of cards and not mess it up.
Speaker 1:You're trying to mitigate, you're trying to push out, put out fires, while trying to build a team.
Speaker 2:All right, my next thing. So we talked. We talked about those offensive coordinators for the Lions now taking head coaching jobs. So now, without them, can we expect the Lions to be the same team?
Speaker 1:that they have been. I think it took a bit of a dip.
Speaker 2:Do you think their Super Bowl window potentially?
Speaker 1:is closed. I don't think it's closed, I just think it's harder. They're not going to go out there and be the most dominant team scoring 35-40 a game. I just think their offense won't be as creative.
Speaker 2:No, it won't.
Speaker 1:I think it'll become more of a Bengals-esque offense, but they have more talented pieces all the way around. I think if you still get a decent coordinator in, there are some decent coordinators out there who are looking for jobs. I think they can still get a decent coordinator in that can work the offense If they don't have a job.
Speaker 2:look at the blinds with all the weapons that they have and say no, especially the offensive line as well. I agree it's going to be an attractive job, but are you going to get the right guy in there to kind of keep things rolling like they?
Speaker 1:have been Agreed, but I think their window isn't closed. I think it's closing.
Speaker 2:Okay, winning one the further that window is going to close I just feel like maybe their best opportunities, just just pass them by. Agree the same way it did for the bank these last two years I felt like were the best, their best spots. I completely agree because now you gotta think about it. Now washington looks like even no matter what happens on sunday, washington's legit like they're they're not going nowhere.
Speaker 1:I agree with you. I don't think the window's closing, I think it's sliding the end ofC is getting better and better.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're not just going to be able to sit there and be like come and do a season where, hey, it looks like it's just us and probably the Eagles and nobody else. Yes, it's only going to get better from here and I just think that you're now losing. And the back end the fact that he put enough duct tape and glue and tape they did as much as he could do with that team and he made it work. The fact that that same defense made Minnesota look as terrible as they did is a testament to how Aaron Glenn is as a defense coordinator and how well he put that game plan together. Again, they need to build their defense more. They need to have so many more pieces, like they have so many guys that were missing. Even before, when they were all healthy, they were not all that good, so they need to get more and more pieces and kind of build it out that way. But Goffman I think him and Ben Johnson was a very special combo. I think that is something that is very hard to quantify. When you get another guy, is it going to be the same click that him and Ben Johnson, that Goff and Ben Johnson had.
Speaker 2:That's the part I question, because Goff has had great coordinators before. He had McVay probably the best offensive head coach out there pretty much and it didn't work out. Mcvay has done more with Goff out of town, but again they did go to a Super Bowl together. You did switch to Matthew Stafford, you did switch to Matthew Stafford but then you switched to Ben Johnson. So there's no guarantee you get an offensive coordinator of the talent of a guy like Ben Johnson. So Goff's going to have more on his shoulders when it comes to having less, having less creativity in the offense. So now it's really going to be more on you Drop back passing, you just getting the ball where it has to go. That's the part I question about this whole thing. Like Goff's the one I question. I don't really question a lot of the weapons on this team. Like the offensive weapons are great. The offensive weapons are great. The offensive line is still very good. James Williams is kind of a weird one. He keeps making bad decisions every offseason. That kind of ruins his season somehow.
Speaker 1:Here's hoping he doesn't Right exactly.
Speaker 2:Hoping this offseason can be clean for him and he can come back next year healthy and ready to go. There are some real questions to be answered about this Lions team. Again, the first one to be answered is who's going to be the offensive coordinator. But like that is going to be the big decision maker on how this window kind of goes. Is it going to keep closing gradually or is it going to get slammed shut real quick and then the Lions are just like the best should have could have been type of team, and that's the part that would suck the most, especially if they never get to a Super Bowl. That would be the worst part. It's like, as talented as they've been, as good as they have been, if they don't get to a Super Bowl, that's going to be a huge one, Alright.
Speaker 2:Next thing Is it time for the Rams to go full rebuild?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And sell Stafford to jumpstart it. Yes, Trade him. That playoff game he played was still very good even in those crazy conditions. He seems pretty decently healthy. He's about 35, he's like 34, 35, 30 years old, I think he's 33.
Speaker 1:There's no way.
Speaker 2:He's only 33 years old. Yeah, he, yeah 33, 34. He's at, he's 36. Oh, wow, okay, he's like kind of weird. He kind of he's not in a spot, like a lot of the quarterbacks weren't taken around the same time as him, so it's like he kind of like falls like no, he was the best quarterback he was drafting in 09 right.
Speaker 2:So, but there wasn't a lot of great quarterbacks drafted at the same time as him or within a year or two of him, so he kind of like he kind of came in on his own as a great quarterback. But no, so, at 36 years old it looks like he still has plenty in the tank. He said after this he said recently that they asked him what his future plans are. He says, hey, I still gotta figure it out. And they asked him do you still have football left in you? He's like, yeah, I still feel like it and he's still feeling good. So, with that being the case, this Rams team, they over their wide receivers hurt.
Speaker 1:I feel like this has been the constant thing we've been saying about the Rams the last three years.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing about the Rams is that they went so long by saying just fuck those picks and they kept trading their picks to get all these great players in, got their Super Bowl. And then now it's kind of been pieced out piece by piece. Aaron Donald left on his own accord and decided to retire. I think that really helped them in the long run. So that's like like a contract. They don't have to worry about keep paying him, because if he wanted to play they'd have to keep him and they'd have to keep paying him the money he deserves because he was just that good. So I think this might be the last piece to like really setting up, like him cooper cup, get him out and just really start with a brand new team. Because they really they're defensive guys on the defensive side of the ball. A a lot of them are young guys that are ready to go and they were playing their best football at the end of the season.
Speaker 1:You just keep Pukunukuwa and Kyron Williams in the offense.
Speaker 2:Pukunukuwa Kyron Williams and then. But this is the thing there's not really a great quarterback ready for this draft. Are they a team that can get a guy like Sam Darnold and kind of keep going that way? Because, and kind of keep going that way because again it worked with the Vikings the Rams have a better offensive line than the Vikings did Sam Darnold's just a fix.
Speaker 1:He's just a fill-in.
Speaker 2:They'd be a great team for.
Speaker 1:Howard too, they would be.
Speaker 2:They'd be a perfect team for Howard. But I think what Sam Darnold, what he lacked, was that in the big moments where madness started to happen in front of him, that's when he had his worst play, that's when the ghost came up.
Speaker 1:No, I vote for Will Howard. I vote for Will Howard. I vote for anybody that's not the Steelers.
Speaker 2:That's because you know I want him. Why you guys have some feels, I know, but I'm not sure what they're going to do. They don't know and he's going to be. He's a free agent. Again, I don't think there's going to be a lot of teams that are like like lining up to try to sign him. So I think the Steelers, if they want him, are going to be able to have him. But it's at what cost? And do they really?
Speaker 1:are they really going to give Russell Wilson? Oh, I hope it's Russell Wilson. Oh, my God, I hate myself. Russell Wilson keeps you guys mediocre.
Speaker 2:If that happens, that will be my hell. You sit there and talk to me about how I get to have the best of everything and I'm so lucky, da-da-da-da-da, I have a national title to sleep at night, but I will be tormented throughout the day if we sign Russell Wilson again. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1:At least you can sleep at night. True, I can, all I have is Super Bowl haunts to help me sleep at night.
Speaker 2:I do have a championship Stop.
Speaker 1:Cooper Cupps.
Speaker 2:Stop Aaron Donald no, why didn't you catch that football? Why didn't you catch it? It was within range. Why didn't you die for it? Okay, so I just think, matthew Stafford, the way this team is at right now, I think they should start the full rebuild. If they trade him, they get a lot. I'm not going to say they're going to get a.
Speaker 1:King's Ransom of.
Speaker 2:Pigs. Huh, I'm sad they're not going to get a King's Ransom of Pigs for him, but if you get a first and a third or something like that, not to mention you won't have to pay his salary, and he deserves to get paid a bunch of money. So that's something they get to get cheaper that way. So I just think this might be the moment where they probably need to sell high on Matthew Stafford before there is an actual physical decline. That will make it a lot harder for you to sell him. We should have a ring. We should have a ring. See, it was funny at first, and now, if you're actually sad, it kind of makes it suck.
Speaker 1:I'm really sad dude.
Speaker 2:You know how often I sit around and think about that Super Bowl. Yeah, I have those moments myself yes, fuck you.
Speaker 1:You have two Super Bowls you've seen. I could have watched the only Super Bowl I may have ever seen in my lifetime.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's going to happen with Joe Burrow at the helm, dude.
Speaker 1:Dude. That is the only Super Bowl some people have seen in their lifetime.
Speaker 2:I know. Again, it's not a guarantee, I know 37 years. But if I had to put money on it, yes or no, will Joe Burrow be at another Super Bowl? I'd have to say yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, with the Bengals or without the.
Speaker 2:Bengals? Ooh, that's a different question.
Speaker 1:That's a different question, it's starting to look like it'll only happen if he ain't on the Bengals.
Speaker 2:On the Steelers. Maybe we have to wait. Let's wait a couple years for him. Well, no, maybe not, it won't happen.
Speaker 1:Well, by the time he's done with his contract, he'll be 30.
Speaker 2:Right? Do we want to go down that road? Probably not. And plus, do I want to be bad until then? No, I don't. I want to get us better. But yeah, okay, that's all I got for the NFL news. Got through all of that.
Speaker 2:Let's go ahead and talk about the NFL games. There's only two, so this won't take all that long. Let's start with the first. Both these games on Sunday Yep, so it's 3 and 6.30 are going to be the games.
Speaker 2:We'll start with the one that's going to be at 3 o'clock Eagles Command. These are two NFC teams. How bad do you have to feel if you are the Giants? And not only do you let Saquon walk out the door and go to your crosstown rival in Philadelphia. He goes, runs for 2,000 yards, has one of the best running back seasons of all time. He's on the top five. There's nobody yardage-wise that's ahead of him. But when it comes to those guys that are close, he's had the second best running season of all time. He goes and does that, and the Eagles are now in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2:And then you also have to watch the Commanders with their guy. They just drafted Jaden Daniels, the nice rookie quarterback, and they have put up outside of him. They really didn't add a lot to their team. It wasn't like they again. They still have scary territory, they still have other pieces, but their defense isn't great at all. Their defense kind of sucked. You know how many turnovers Washington had last week. They had five turnovers total last week and they still beat the Lions. So I don't know If you're the Giants watching this happen and having to watch both teams in your own division go and play for nc championship game. I I don't know if you're the owner. I'm like you should have fired the head coach, dayball and the freaking gm at this point.
Speaker 2:If you're the owner of the giants, you should sell the team it's just bad they're not going to because they're like one of the, like the oldest own, like ownership families in the nfl y'all are bad are owning teams.
Speaker 1:You guys signed daniel jones to 40 million dollars that that was big mistake.
Speaker 2:And then let Saquon walk. They let Saquon walk.
Speaker 1:And then watch. There's a video of your GM not trading up to go get J Daniels after his son Said you only have one chance. You might as well.
Speaker 2:Might as well go for it. No, they didn't. They didn't want to do that. They picked a wife. That's still very good, but that's not what you needed. Your 13-year-old son knew better. Y'all did that because you thought, oh, we can get Daniel.
Speaker 1:Jones is going to be the guy. Ha-ha, see how that worked out. They drafted at five. Yeah, yeah, y'all could have tried to trade up.
Speaker 2:You could have tried to trade up and go get one of those guys and obviously all of them turned out to Bo Nix was still available when they picked. Heck JJ McCarthy was still available, he ended up getting drafted at 10.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we don't know if he's good.
Speaker 2:Bo. Nix is after that Again. Yes, you're right, we don't know about that.
Speaker 1:But, again.
Speaker 2:The shot of having JJ McCarthy on your team is better than what Daniel.
Speaker 1:Jones was.
Speaker 2:JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix. They had options. We already knew that he was bad. Everybody, everybody knew he was bad.
Speaker 1:Everybody saw you let Saquon go and then signed Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2:You were like okay, Everybody's like that's a terrible decision.
Speaker 1:Terrible. That's a bad idea, awful.
Speaker 2:And so you're watching these two teams now playing each other in this championship game. Philly is a six-point favorite in this. How do you see it? How do you see this going? The Eagles have the better defense Between the two. The Eagles' defense is absolutely monstrous.
Speaker 1:Jalen Carter on the defensive tackle awesome. He's a freaking man-eater. I see the Eagles winning this because of the Commander's lack of defense. I see the Eagles winning this because the Eagles have been here. This is the third time they've been here in a row. Not in a row, Not in a row. They weren't here last year. I'm pretty sure they were. They lost to the Niners.
Speaker 2:Did they play each other twice? They did Holy F.
Speaker 1:This is their third year in a row doing this.
Speaker 2:Holy F.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying the light's going to be too bright for Jayden Daniels. I'm saying as a team, your defense isn't good enough and that defense for the Eagles is way too good, and then the offense for the Eagles is also really good.
Speaker 2:I don't know, the passing offense has not been good.
Speaker 1:They've been pretty bad. True Hand, take on the rock and let them run.
Speaker 2:And Jalen Hurts' ankle injury.
Speaker 1:That's fine Again, I still think that defense is so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is easy because the Commanders did they lose to the Eagles twice? I think so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Jalen Hurts and Saquon have been kind of doing the same thing all year. Jalen Hurts has been hurt basically all year and Saquon's been running like this all year. Yeah, so I'm going to trust in what I've seen.
Speaker 2:The Eagles are going to be able to control this game. I agree. They're going to keep running with Stake.
Speaker 1:They're going to control the pace, the tempo and that defense is going to wreck havoc, and that secondary has been very, very good, so I'm going to stick with the Eagles on this one. And I think, the offensive line for the Eagles is absolutely mauling everybody that they see they're way better than I thought they were going to be, but then again. We have a guy like Jason Kelsey where he's been there so long. Of course you had a center right behind him. That's the same thing.
Speaker 2:They just had somebody set up ready to go.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go with the Eagles.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go with the Eagles too. I honestly would not be surprised if Washington really does win this game.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't either.
Speaker 2:I believe there's a way they can, but I just think it would be a much harder route for them to win this game is for it to become a shootout, and Washington just does a little bit more.
Speaker 1:Yes, I just think.
Speaker 2:If it's a low-scoring type of game, I think the Eagles definitely control this game a lot better in that scenario and with that, eagles defense, I believe more that they are going to be able to control the game better.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's all. I don't think Washington can't do it and I wouldn't. It's just realistically, the Eagles have a better chance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with that as well. I think the match predictor on here is like 63% Eagles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's about what I feel.
Speaker 2:Again, washington has a path. I'm just going to believe in the Eagles. What I've seen? Saquon Barkley's been on a freaking run. To where he is unstoppable right now. Just get him the ball. However, you need to Try to pass if you can. Jalen Hurts he's been bad for the last two playoff games. Hopefully he'll be a little better coming into this one.
Speaker 1:He seems to be a little bit better in this game. He's probably a lot further than it should be.
Speaker 2:Right, just because the Eagles are just a lot better top to bottom. But Washington man, jayden Daniels, scary Terry's not like. I'll be mad if we get wrong on this one. Alright, I see the Eagles winning that game. Question for you If you're either one of the winners of the Chiefs and Bills because we're going to pick that in a second who would you rather see, the Eagles or the Commanders?
Speaker 1:I'd rather see the Commanders.
Speaker 2:I think I'd rather see the Commanders too, because their defense is so bad. I think it'd be a much more fun game. Oh no, no, I'm saying, if you're trying to win a football game in the Super Bowl, if you're one of either the Chiefs or the Bills, which team would you rather see? Because we think we can beat them.
Speaker 1:Oh the.
Speaker 2:Eagles Really.
Speaker 1:I think the Eagles would be more likely to collapse the Eagles be more likely to collapse.
Speaker 1:I think the Commanders know what they are. They know their defense ain't good. The Commanders against both those teams where both of them have shown the Bills don't have a defense. All you gotta do is stop Josh Allen and that's a tall task. And then with the Chiefs, all you gotta do is get flagged. Don't get flagged. The Commanders aren't heavily flagged. Yeah, don't get flagged. The Commanders aren't heavily flagged this year. And if Jayden Daniels I think Mahomes has been bad enough to where he would lose a shootout with Jayden Daniels. Now, playoff Mahomes, yeah, it's great, but again, mahomes didn't play all that great last week. That Chiefs defense is still very good though it is, but Jayden Daniels has torched many good defenses.
Speaker 2:I think they would both rather see the Commanders, just because of that lack of defense on that side.
Speaker 1:I think the lack of defense on that team.
Speaker 2:being very young and I think Jay Daniels on that offense is just a wild card. Do you really want to deal with them potentially being on fire?
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the Eagles would be a better thing to face, because if you're the Chief Chiefs, you want to face that Eagles defense you've seen them twice.
Speaker 2:I think the Eagles defense is a lot different than the Eagles defense they've faced again. I think that Eagles team is more bound to collapse in on itself because the offense can't move the ball okay, fine, but I think that defense is still good enough to stop you from doing whatever you want to do but again, who has been able to stop Josh Allen this year? True, yeah, you're not wrong. Totally shut him down. Not very many the.
Speaker 1:Eagles defense is good, but when Josh Allen gets to the outside, those D linemen aren't fast enough to keep up Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong, and he's going to put a hole through Cooper Dejean's chest?
Speaker 1:He's not, and Mahomes is a In the biggest game, in the brightest moment. That's not who I want to see, if I'm the Eagles or commanders, and if I'm the Eagles, you've seen this story. You've read this book.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You've been a part of this book, right, you know what he is, you know what he can do, and you guys are still going to lose. Know what he can do and you guys are still going to lose. Y'all lost last year. Y'all lost to him last year, I kid you not the only thing that's different about this defense is that their secondary is better. Not like there was downfield threats to begin with last year and they still killed the Eagles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not how the Chiefs play now, so I think the Eagles are more susceptible to an internal collapse because their offense can't move the ball and the defense has to get tired. Compared to the Commanders, no, the defense isn't good. They're going to go in there and turn this game into a shootout with whoever they're facing. If it's the Bills, it's going to be a high-scoring affair. If it's the Chiefs, the Chiefs probably beat the Commanders, but I think the Chiefs also probably beat the Eagles. I think the Chiefs that team ain't much different. They have a better secondary. But you can game plan with the same team you faced last year. It was the same team last year.
Speaker 2:I get behind that. Two years ago. Two years ago, who were they? Niners. Last year they faced Niners last year. Two years ago they faced the Eagles, but Two years ago they faced the Eagles.
Speaker 1:But again, that team ain't much different. That team's almost exactly the same.
Speaker 2:They added some defense. I would say they're a lot different. They've added some real superstars. They've added secondary. What else have they added? Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1:Jalen Carter's been on that team for two years.
Speaker 2:No, he hasn't. When did he get on that team, you're telling me he was drafted last year.
Speaker 1:He was drafted before last, after they went to Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 2:When they drafted him Joe Before last season.
Speaker 1:Before last season? Yes, so two years ago.
Speaker 2:No, this is his second year on the Eagles.
Speaker 1:So he was drafted two years ago. If this is his second year, he wasn't on the Eagles when they faced the. If this is his second year on the Eagles, so he was drafted two years ago.
Speaker 2:If this is his second year, he wasn't on the Eagles when they faced the. If this is his, second year playing.
Speaker 1:That means two years ago he wasn't on this team. So at the end of the Eagles Super Bowl run he was drafted. The Eagles were in the Super Bowl two years ago. He was drafted two years ago.
Speaker 2:They drafted him after they went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Which was two years ago.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:What the fuck are you saying?
Speaker 2:I'm saying he wasn't on this Eagles team.
Speaker 1:I know I said they drafted Jalen Carter two years ago. Yeah, I've said this five times.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, alright, there's a misunderstanding. No you're fucking stupid, I thought because I was trying to make the case that they haven't seen the Eagles have not had a dominant defensive player like this against the Chiefs. That's why I'm saying the Eagles are different now than what they were, then that's what I'm trying to say it was a misunderstanding.
Speaker 2:My bad. Chiefs Bills. Winner of this game Thoughts Any type of thing. I'll start, since you're getting over being upset at me for having a misunderstanding. My bad apologies again. Chiefs bills um, chiefs are a two point, one and a half point favorite. Two point favorite. They're at home. This is the bills opportunity. Well, I guess they had the opportunity last year as well, but this, this series, looks like the year the bills again. I don't know. I don't know what I want to say. The chiefs have at every point, every time we felt like that it's their time to lose. They pretty much won, except for the one time the bills beat them this year. Uh, in their I think it was in their house right bills beat them. So can the bills repeat that type of success? Or the bills are much like? I think both teams are much healthier than they were last time.
Speaker 1:I'm starting to feel that way the bills lose it.
Speaker 2:Josh Allen can't do it. I'm not gonna say Josh Allen can't do okay. Again I feel like the way that he beat Lamar Jackson last week, that again he didn't, he didn't have to do anything, he literally did nothing.
Speaker 1:Who is the next best quarterback behind the homes that Josh Thomas faced?
Speaker 2:That he has beat. Yeah, lamar, that's it.
Speaker 1:He hasn't beat Burrow. Has Lamar beat Burrow no?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:So you took two dudes in the playoffs who can't beat nobody. They just beat each other.
Speaker 2:So no, he can't do it. No, I'm just saying I was saying he's not going to take the cake of just trying to be Superman and making a bunch of mistakes.
Speaker 1:Dude, if you shine a shit, it's still a piece of shit. He's still going to lose this game. He's still going to lose this game, I don't care how good he gets, he'll still lose.
Speaker 2:Mahomes Lamar's winning that he is a choker.
Speaker 1:He chokes against Mahomes Chokes. Oh, he had a shootout three years ago now. Yeah, cool. What has he done Last? Year when they faced the Chiefs in the playoffs, he had a great other than missing the guy right there in the flat, potentially to win the game he had an awesome game outside the year before he couldn't get to my homes and year before joe burrow stopped that from ever even having a chance okay cool.
Speaker 2:So again, he has faced my homes twice and he's lost to my homes twice yes, but I think the lesson that he may have learned is to try to be able to manage the game better and make winning plays when okay.
Speaker 1:So now he has to try to manage the game better with a worse team than any other time he's faced. I agree.
Speaker 2:But they beat him earlier this year with a worse team. How early this year that was week, I think it was around halfway through the season.
Speaker 1:Okay, has the Chiefs been that good all year?
Speaker 2:I think the Chiefs are the healthiest they've been all year, right now, oh.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So no.
Speaker 1:Dude, this is just lining up for the Bills to lose this game. You can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not trying to convince you I don't think Josh Allen can beat Mahomes.
Speaker 1:I truly don't.
Speaker 2:Is this because of your non-belief in Josh Allen?
Speaker 1:It is a belief that I don't think he can play up to the moment. Truly, I truly don't think he can do it. I think he can do everything to show you he is a good quarterback and I truly believe he is the third best quarterback in the AFC. I have gotten past my hate to believe he is the third best quarterback, but I believe he's third for a reason. I don't think he's as good as Burrow and I don't think he's as good as Mahomes. I think when there's a level of play that needs to be met at all times, if I have to do it, it's on me. I believe he's way more susceptible to crumble and he has been more susceptible to crumble.
Speaker 2:He has, and that has for sure been in the playoffs. I totally agree.
Speaker 1:And in those moments Mahomes is at his best.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And in those moments Joe Burrow was at his best and I believe he's not as good as those two guys. He may not be as good as them right now, but I think he's not as good as those two guys.
Speaker 2:He may not be as good as them right now, but I think he's learned that lesson though.
Speaker 1:I know, but he's learned that lesson. But your team has gotten worse around you and Mahomes' team, arguably, is the exact same. It's always been.
Speaker 2:I don't think that offense is close to what it is?
Speaker 1:I don't think that offense necessarily— I have Travis Kelsey and who else?
Speaker 2:A lot of nobodies.
Speaker 1:A lot of nobodies.
Speaker 2:The same offense has always ran. I guess you can put in. Why am I forgetting his name now, Dehop?
Speaker 1:But he's an older, non-the-same version. Again, it's the same offense the Chiefs has always run. So the Chiefs have stayed almost exactly the same, but the defense has gotten better. But the Bills have gotten worse, with less overall offensive talent. You have James Cook and Josh Allen, and your receivers are okay. Right now, your best receiver is Akil Shakir, and Akil Shakir ain't that good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I also think their pecking order is a little bit more streamlined and I think that I think Lamar I mean sorry, I think Josh Allen is not taking the cheese of.
Speaker 1:I need to be Superman here, I think he is, I know, but in this game he will have to be Superman because his defense is bad. He's going to have to play up to the moment, and I don't think he can. That's what I'm saying. In this game he has to be transcendent. You have to put the nail in the coffin or the Chiefs will fight back. True, but they did that to the Chiefs earlier this year. Yes, so did the Bengals. The same year, they lost to the Chiefs 41-13. They proceeded to not, they were up going into the fourth quarter. They were up two touchdowns and they never. They let off the gas. They didn't put the nail in the coffin and the Chiefs beat them. But Joe Burrow did play transcendent Right. I don't think Josh Allen can meet that. I think when he tries to meet that, he starts making mistakes. That is the difference.
Speaker 2:That's the thing I think he's learned from. I think he's a different quarterback now.
Speaker 1:I know, but he's learned that with a worse team.
Speaker 2:It is too late, yeah, but I think he's overpowered that worse team to do a lot more than we ever thought they would have this year. But he's not playing anybody. He's playing one of the greatest playoff players ever. Yeah, but haven't we also talked about all year how the Chiefs aren't as good as their records, as they are?
Speaker 1:And everybody cannot beat them. The Bills are the only team that can do it. But again, Josh Allen can't play transcendence. He's going to have to play that much better. You have to truly outperform the Chiefs and put the nail in the coffin as soon as you can.
Speaker 2:He's shown to not be able to do that. I agree. Maybe this is the time to prove it. I'm going to take the Bills.
Speaker 1:All right bro.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take the Bills. Maybe it's just out of hope that this won't be the Chiefs winning it for a third year. Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 1:Because I think if there's a chance that the Bills can, be the AFC representative against either the Eagles or the Cancers.
Speaker 2:That's not the representative I want Another one.
Speaker 1:You want no. I believe he chokes in the biggest moment if he does make the Super Bowl. I believe he either chokes here or he chokes in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to go that far.
Speaker 1:All right, you think the Bills can beat the Eagles?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude With how good that defense is.
Speaker 2:No, I think they can.
Speaker 1:Okay, there is nothing else I want from you, because you are fucking delusional. There's nothing else you can tell me there's nothing else you have for me. I think if they play the Eagles they get shit on. That is all I got from you.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, I'm going to take the Bills. I'm going to take the Bills, I'm going to go ahead and just hope, I'm going to hope against hope and I'm going to take the Bills. I think this game is only a two-point game for a reason, with the Chiefs at home. So I think the Bills can work some magic. I think Josh Allen was learning some lessons and I think this is his time. This is his time to go ahead and, and you know, patrick Holmes can finally be sitting at home during the Super Bowl. And, you know, keep us from being necessarily as sad about whoever loses, whoever wins the Super Bowl. So that's it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take the Bills, you're going to take the Chiefs, and then I think we both took the Eagles. So that's about it for the games there. I've had a lot of you yelling at me today. It's crazy. I didn't think it was gonna be that uh, that much going on in this podcast to have you yell at me, but you know, it's fine let's just get it over with all right all right, before I give you any more reasons.
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