JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
NBA Storyline Round-Up and Our First NFL Mock Draft Analysis
In our latest episode, we dive into the debate surrounding Jason Tatum and whether he's truly an underrated player in the NBA. With insights into his performance through the age of 26, we look at how he stacks up against legends like Michael Jordan and Larry Bird, examining the nuances of stats that often get overlooked. As we explore the future of star power in the NBA, we question who will take up the mantle as the league's face when legends like LeBron James retire. We do this while also reacting to some ongoing storylines surrounding the remaining regular season in the NBA.
After that we transition into some NFL stories including some potential rule changes going into the 2025 season with OT and first downs. We also discuss the big jump in the NFL salary cap, Travis Kelce's retirement decision, and the Packers announcement of their intention to trade one of their important defensive pieces. Finally we go through and react to the first mock draft before the combine and give our thoughts early on in the draft process. Who does your team pick and who would your dream pick be in the first round? Thanks for listening!
Welcome back to Christmas Podcast. Today is Thursday, february the 27th, and we are back for the podcast.
Speaker 2:We back and we're back. So we podcast last week had a good one, I think Actually been getting a lot more downloads Over the last like month or so. So anybody that's been jumping on and listening as of recently, we definitely appreciate it. Um, I've definitely been seeing all the downloads and stuff and it's also been very cool to see. So hopefully we can keep uh, building up on this.
Speaker 2:Momentum again makes it a little bit harder because there's a little bit less stuff going on when it comes to the sports world, but we're making it work. Um, the nfl is still helping us out. There's still combine this week. There's still plenty of things happening. Um, free agency is going to start, I think, in the next few weeks. So there's gonna be plenty of things to talk about. Maybe not the bulk. There won't be as much uh, more quality stuff, less quantity. I don't think there'll be as much quantity stuff happening, but hopefully there will still be some quality stuff happening that we will all be able to talk about. So and have fun doing it and be stupid doing it. So that's where our podcast goes. So, but before we get into any of the football stuff because there's plenty of stuff to talk about there. I do have some nba things I want to do. Um before jace all totally glazes over. There's one thing it's a little bit more interactive.
Speaker 2:I wanted to give you jace what you got jason tatum makes the case that he is the most underrated nba star through the age 26. So I think the quote was was that if you take away my name, take away my face and just look at what I've done so far in my career through the age of 26, that I am the most underrated player to like in the n history? Okay, yeah, so I'm going to give you three players a, b and C and I think I kind of ruined it because one of them is Jason Tatum, but I will. There's two other ones. So I was kind of I'm going to give you three, three, three, uh three resumes. So I don't know why I couldn't come up the word.
Speaker 2:Eight is giving which one you like the most. Copy player a 22.2 points per game. Eight 10.8 rebounds per game, 5.4 assists per game, four first team all nbas, four all-star selections and one title. Player b uh 23 and a half points per game, 7.3 rebounds per game, 3.8 assists per game, three first-team All-NBAs, six-time All-Star and one title. And then Player C 32.8 points per game, 6.3 rebounds per game 6.3 rebounds per game, 6 assists per game, 4 first-team All-NBAs 6 All-Star selections and 0 titles.
Speaker 2:Okay, so B is Jason Tatum. Yes, that's Tatum. I should have told you the Brezimaze before I told you about the Tatum thing. That was my mistake. It's the titles. It's the title that does it yes.
Speaker 1:I would have known it was him regardless.
Speaker 2:Well, you wouldn't know, it was exactly Jason Tatum if I wouldn't have told you the actual story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I would have. I would have A is the most attractive and then C is the highest scoring, uh-huh so what was A?
Speaker 2:A, we don't know his name, or you just want to know the stats again. Stats again 22.2 points per game. Yeah 10.8 rebounds per game. Yeah 5.4 assists, Four first-team All-NBAs, four-time All-Star selection and one title.
Speaker 1:No, these players are all 26.
Speaker 2:This is all through their age 26 season. Oh, this is not current. Like not all the players are current. It's current and past.
Speaker 1:Is one LeBron. Nope, I don't know who. One is A title. That one is a title. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 2:I would probably take number one. Number one is Larry Bird, that makes sense. Number two, obviously, jason Tatum. Number three is Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But here's my thing oh, no titles, yeah, that makes sense. So here's my question no titles, high scoring?
Speaker 1:and assists. Ah, that makes sense Okay.
Speaker 2:Right, but Jordan, obviously everybody knew the team Jordan was playing with was garbage. It wasn't good. He like, through the Jordan doc he's talking about how they're all doing cocaine and like doing all that. He kind of had to change the culture around. Everything had to change before he finally got to the point where he ended up winning a title.
Speaker 1:Obviously, getting Scottie Pippen was a big thing towards that, and Horace Grant and Horace Grant.
Speaker 2:So, with that being the case, is Jason Tatum underrated? Now, if we're just looking at it on its face, is he an underrated player? I don't know if he's underrated, because I don't think people, I think everybody. When they talk about Jason Tatum, it's he's a top 10 player. No, he's a top 10 player. No, he's a top 10 player In the NBA right now.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, no, he wasn't even a top 10 player on his team. Night in night out, Night in, night out. He ain't even the best player on his team.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to go on that one, am I wrong?
Speaker 1:Tell me, night in, night out, is he the best player?
Speaker 2:on his team. Sometimes it's Jalen Brown, for sure.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when you a 50-50-ass player, how am I going to give you a top 10? You can't name 10 motherfuckers better than him right now. I think I dare you. I bet you could get to 15. Let's play this game. I love this game. It's my favorite game. Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2:I would take Kevin Durant, but I think Jason Tatum is a better defensive player right now. But again, I think it's just based off of age, because when Kevin Durant was in his heyday he was awesome. Anthony Davis is hurt, not playing for a while. But I would still take him over, come on.
Speaker 1:At his best he's an MVP caliber.
Speaker 2:Giannis Okay Luka. Giannis Luka caliber. Yannis okay luca. Um, yannis luca, uh, sga is probably gonna be up there in the top 10 right now. Easy, like they're saying, sga might win the freaking mbp this year um nicola yokich yokich I take tyree tyree's maxi I don't think maxi is top 10 player.
Speaker 1:Maxi is currently scoring 27 points a night yeah, I know, but it's for an awful.
Speaker 2:They're awful and he's still that good. True, but I still think Tatum brings more defensively. Okay. Tyrese Halliburton Another bad team.
Speaker 1:I would take Tyrese Halliburton over Anthony Edwards oh.
Speaker 2:LeBron's a top 10 player right now. Anthony Edwards Anthony Edwards, that's six. I would say Wimby when he's healthy. But again he's going to be out for the rest of the season because of his blood clot in his shoulder that he had. So he's going to be out for the rest of the season. But when he was playing, he brings so much offensively and defensively.
Speaker 1:I think it is better.
Speaker 2:Might just be a difference of opinion. I would say, probably take Tatum. I think we're missing a couple.
Speaker 1:I just want a list of them.
Speaker 2:Let me think, let me think, let me think, let me think. We already mentioned Jokic. We already mentioned Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1:Oh, joel Embiid, Definitely better.
Speaker 2:I'll talk about him in a bit. But yeah, he's injured, but when he's healthy, yes, oh, I know there's another Steph Curry. Steph, yes, steph, top ten player, how many is that? That was at nine, I agree with.
Speaker 1:I'd take Jimmy Butler over him.
Speaker 2:The way he's playing now with Golden State Probably.
Speaker 1:I can guarantee he'll be there for the playoffs. He'll be the best player on the team.
Speaker 2:Golden State's playing really good since they got him.
Speaker 1:It's kind of crazy Giannis is an easy one.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure, I mentioned you. There's a couple players.
Speaker 1:I would take over him, bro, and there's a couple. I don't understand you not taking him over.
Speaker 2:I think he brings a lot defensively but again, like you said, he's so nonchalant offensively he almost can disappear on the court. That is something I can agree with, but defensively he's an amazing player.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, sometimes he's a great defensive player. Sometimes he's hot as a fucking ass dude. I can't Dude, no, no.
Speaker 2:So, and again, this all goes back to him being on the freaking all the uh olympic team last year, not getting played, getting not getting played at all amongst all the all stars, that is. And again, like you said, I think it's it's an indictment on him that he won the title last year, because usually whoever wins the title, like people automatically have the question like, hey, this player that was leader of their team to win the title is the best player on the team. But the thing is that jason tatum didn't even win the nba finals mvp. That was jalen brown. So I was. I'm saying his name right, jalen brown.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, Okay yeah.
Speaker 2:So Jalen Brown won the MVP for that series. So I think it because the team that he's had throughout his career I think they said that he's been to eight conference finals in his career so far so his team has had so much success and they've been on the cusp and they finally did it last year. So he's done a lot. But I just think things are kind of leading his way when it comes to the team that he has, the team that he's had over the his his whole career with boston. I think boston has set him up very well with him and jaylen brown and having all the other guys around them that they've kind of put to may have that team succeed. I think it's really helped him in comparison to booker devin Booker is a better offensive player Defensively.
Speaker 2:When he turns it on he can be that type of guy, but he's not consistent enough. But it sucks because they're playing for a Suns. The Suns are like 27-20. They're just over 500, and they're kind of sucking this year. They're outside the play-in right now. Yes, so it's not really great looking for the Suns right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say with Damian yeah, he's a superstar. Yeah, so I just think you don't take AD. Really, when AD's healthy, yes, I just think AD is going to be hurt for a while and hopefully he'll be able to come back healthy. But, yeah, when he's healthy I would take him over. I, I would take him over. I would take him over Donovan Mitchell. The way he's playing this year, I would probably say so. Yes, the way he played last year. Heck, the Cavs are in first place in the East. De'aaron Fox no, probably not. I would not take him over.
Speaker 2:Trayon no, I would not take Trayon.
Speaker 1:I'm not taking Tyrus Halliburton over, I crazy.
Speaker 2:Halliburton is like allergic to defense a lot of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's putting up 31 a night. He's a fuck about defense Putting up 31 a night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but at that you're talking about a few 400 pounds.
Speaker 1:He's putting up 34 a night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Lomelo's doing the exact same thing. Everybody yells about Lomelo.
Speaker 1:Lomelo's hurt all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but his stats you know he was actually voted. He had the highest amount of votes going into the All-Star game Because he's popular and they said no, because he's popular, he's been on. Tiktok apparently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been on. Tiktok Him and the rest of his siblings and his dad. If I see his dad on TikTok one more time About his leg getting cut off, no, on the friggin' Primby account.
Speaker 2:Did you hear about that, though I don't care, chopped off, I don't fuckin' care, I know, but it was a funny story, braylon, you know. Braylon told me about it, the kid doesn't care about basketball at all.
Speaker 1:All right, elaborate.
Speaker 2:Their dad had a medical situation and his left leg got caught. No, sorry, his right leg, yeah, chopped off it's leg, yeah, chopped off, it's gone.
Speaker 1:But braylon told me about it yeah, the kid doesn't care at all. Did you see the video? You know what primby is? No, I don't either, but he's on their account. He's gotten them verified and I see him all the time legit. The first video I saw him he was like yeah, I got my leg cut off. He was like but if I wanted to, I could grow it back all right now play my song. I might swerve in that corner. Have you not seen these videos?
Speaker 2:No, I'm glad.
Speaker 1:I haven't.
Speaker 2:You're missing out.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I haven't.
Speaker 2:No, I don't want to see them. Yes, you do you want to see them.
Speaker 1:I will pull one up for you. I have no fucking clue what Primby is. He's on their count every day. I can't, I can't, I can't. I regret bringing up the ball brothers.
Speaker 2:He's on their count every day. I can't, I can't, I can't. I regret bringing up the ball brothers at all. I regret it, I regret it.
Speaker 1:I don't Lonzo's been really good.
Speaker 2:Bulls are in the 10th seed right now, Like they're in the play-in as of right now. It's kind of funny. They're 13 games under .500, but you know it's fine. No, no, what.
Speaker 1:Oh my god.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Oh my god.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god Wait.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the question? Bro has not. I kid you not. For two weeks he's been missing that leg, and for two weeks. What the fuck is primby? I don't know what that is. I don't know either. I have no clue what they sell, what they do, but I want to buy it Because legit the video. Before that I might swear what, what? Where's your leg, bro? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So here's my question to you If he knew before, if he was when he was a young lad, before he ever had any of his children, and somebody came to him and said hey, two of your kids will be NBA players and one of them would have a very mediocre music career, but you have to give up your leg at some point. Would you do it?
Speaker 1:I think he would yeah, three for three. You, you say mediocre I listened to the radio for the first time in 37 years.
Speaker 2:His song is insane like that.
Speaker 1:It was on the radio. Both of them, both his songs on the radio, and I'm like that that first song is catchy it is, I don't know. I don't know the second song, but legit, I'll be at work randomly. My s swerve in that corner. Whoa. I have never heard the song fully and I don't want to.
Speaker 2:There's a remix with Lil Wayne on it.
Speaker 1:I know that, but, legit, I'm walking around my apartment, my swerve in that corner, whoa.
Speaker 2:It's a catchy lyric, bro.
Speaker 1:It is, somebody paid him $12 million and they're banking from it. They've made that back in spades Easily. He's made two songs, yeah, and apparently the second one is just as catchy.
Speaker 2:Look, he has something. I guess Apparently all that basketball talent just went straight into music. What do you?
Speaker 1:mean something. I feel like I should be in a cutlass playing his music On a cassette, bro. I feel like I should have hydraulics, hey.
Speaker 2:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:My bad. I think LeVar would do it. He would for sure, no question 100%. You know what's funny.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't need that leg. My boys would be able to pay for me.
Speaker 1:I don't hate LeVar, I have nothing against him. He calmed since Lonzo. When Lonzo first got drafted he was annoying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But he's calmed down a lot, yeah, and you know what's funny? I don't doubt he ain't, I don't doubt he's not a half bad dad.
Speaker 2:No, they all love him Like they don't, None of them.
Speaker 1:None of them have any. What Maybe he?
Speaker 2:got a little annoying when he tried to make them do the shoe, because the shoe sucked. Maybe they got annoyed by that, but otherwise they've said nothing bad about it.
Speaker 1:No, they all talk about how much they love their dad. In all these videos I see of him, I'm like you know what he's not a bad person. He's not a bad dad. He's a good husband.
Speaker 2:Cool Right, he's not doing anything unlawful. Normal dude Like. Come on, Normal dude. He could be John Moran's dad trying to like siphon off of his kids' fame, John Moran's dad's at every game, styling on the court.
Speaker 1:LeVar is almost as famous, if not more famous than his sons at this point. Right, and that's crazy. You don't do shit. He doesn't, you don't do shit, but somehow I that TikTok had 12 million likes. Oh boy, that TikTok had 12 million likes.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, yeah, I got my leg cut off, but I'm LeVar baby, you know.
Speaker 1:I can just Roll it back.
Speaker 2:That's funny. Okay, I'm kind of happy you showed me that, because it is funny. Yeah, it's so outrageous, it's funny, it's insane.
Speaker 1:I can't wait Until he gets like a prosthetic or something, and he makes a video Of him jumping around Like, oh, they took my leg. Yeah, he's funny. I don't hate him, it is funny Sorry. This is something I've been holding onto for a week and I'm meaning to talk about it because I saw it on my TikTok feed and I sat up in bed and I was like what the fuck? Outrageous. That's also how I learned that he lost his leg. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck.
Speaker 2:Again, our young brother had to tell me. He was the one that told me Again he saw it on TikTok. He don't care about basketball Whatsoever. Zero Zilch, not.
Speaker 1:He don't care about sports.
Speaker 2:In general, other than baseball, which is what he plays.
Speaker 1:Like he don't even care. He doesn't watch a baseball game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like he actually Cares about the, you know the, what goes on.
Speaker 1:In a game, and that's it.
Speaker 2:But he got into it. He got into watching the Yankees play when we were watching it.
Speaker 1:That's the World Series Come on.
Speaker 2:It was World Series he watched during the ALCS against the Indians.
Speaker 1:Guardians and it was a good ALCS. It was great, Awesome Again. That's playoff baseball.
Speaker 2:You're right, it's so much better.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're not wrong. Okay, I watch playoff basketball, playoff basketball I don't fuck with basketball, any playoff basketball game.
Speaker 2:Very good, very good. A normal basketball game, just like you watch March Madness and it'd be fun. Just because you just watch any random team and you're like, oh, this is awesome. The stakes are very high.
Speaker 1:I make eight brackets. Don't even know these fucking teams.
Speaker 2:Don't care.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a lie. I care about March Madness. Good basketball school.
Speaker 2:They hit a three-pointer the other day against Maryland to end the game and I'm like, oh, that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were also undefeated in the Big Ten, and then we proceeded to lose to fucking Purdue.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Who has like nine losses?
Speaker 2:You know how I said basketball was okay and they had a very bad two-week stretch.
Speaker 1:We were ranked Dude, so did we. We were ranked fourth in the nation and then suddenly we lost five or six straight games. They do it every fucking year. They're going to be ranked super high, go on a fucking losing streak, go on as a 13th seed and then make it to the Sweet 16 or make it to the Elite Eight and get blown the fuck out, because that's what they do every year. I don't want to watch it anymore. I'm tired of watching it. Please lose early or don't lose.
Speaker 2:I don't even want to see Ohio State in the tournament because they're just going to get upset. They're going to be beat by somebody. They probably shouldn't get beat by, and you know it's fine. Because, again, I think I've come to the conclusion that, even though Ohio State has the stuff to be both a football and a basketball school, they're just a football school. That's all that matters. It's football and basketball is just going. It's going to be a thing in the wind. Hopefully every once in a while they'll be good, but otherwise they're going to be terrible every year and I'm going to have to wear that. It is what it is.
Speaker 1:I have seen nine Elite Eight appearances. I have seen nine Elite Eight blowouts. I have seen six fucking Sweet 16 appearances. I have seen six Sweet 16 blowouts. What are we doing? Win one or don't.
Speaker 2:He did early on, but hasn't done it in a while.
Speaker 1:It didn't exist, it didn't exist, it didn't exist yet. I'm tired of this. I can't do this. We're not a football school. We are a basketball school.
Speaker 2:You're going the other way. You're going the other way.
Speaker 1:We are a basketball school. You are very the other way.
Speaker 2:You're going the other way. We are a basketball school.
Speaker 1:You are very good at basketball. I look at the recruiting for basketball. There was one day I was looking at the recruiting for basketball. I thought it was football. I was like man, we got three, five stars. Nah, I was tweaking.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. Moral of the story is Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1:It's not a top ten player.
Speaker 2:You are overrated as fuck. I think he's adequately rated.
Speaker 1:I think you are overrated as fuck. Top ten.
Speaker 2:But if I was?
Speaker 1:taking those three. You took nine people before him, yes, and then three of them you were fringe, you're not wrong. Three of them, you said, went healthy. They're better. Yes so there's 13 players that most people would take over you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, point mid.
Speaker 1:Between the three players, by the way. And then you're not even the best player on your team every night. Those 13 players when they're playing are the best players on their teams, right.
Speaker 2:Bar none, and the two players that we also mentioned placed against him through the age 26,. They both ended up being the best player in the world. Yes, at one point At one point.
Speaker 1:They were both the best player in the world at one point. At one point, they were both the best player in the world, and then the other player proceeded to put basketball on the world map.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and be the GOAT.
Speaker 1:Arguably yes. You can't argue stats and accolades.
Speaker 2:So the way I look through the 26 season, I'd probably take Bird, because he just has enough of everything. Jordan probably has the most individual accolades, but he hasn't done a lot of the winning yet. Again, things outside of his control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he has the individual accolades and he was a defensive threat.
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1:So he does everything Jason Tatum does, but he scores the ball every night.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think to a certain extent Jason Tatum has had the plus of having a great team around him early on in his career. In a way, the other two did not Never had a bad team.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, I guess Bird always had a bad team.
Speaker 2:No, Bird always had good teams too, You're not wrong.
Speaker 1:The Celtics were never bad.
Speaker 2:At that point it was the Celtics and the how that's going to go.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, until the Pistons showed up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, until the Pistons showed up, but that was still the late 80s though. True, but that was mid to late 80s.
Speaker 1:Mid to late 80s, bird and Magic would have been right in the prime Right, so you had the Pistons that were there.
Speaker 2:But yeah. So with all that being the case, we'll go on to the next topic here. Joel and b, like you already mentioned, out indefinitely um mulling in mulling options to fix his injuries, including a potential procedure to break a bone in his hip to allow realignment in his leg apparently that's how bad his knee is right now. Um, the sixers stink. Paul george is stopping his podcast because his paul george's podcast is actually very good, very highly rated people watch all the time. He said he's taking a hiatus from doing it so he can focus on their team. Um, the Sixers are 20 and 38, 18 games below 500 um and they kind of stink. Tyrese Maxey is getting getting his points but like they pretty much aren't a team. Uh, joel Embiid's gonna be out indefinitely, probably out the rest of the season. You know Joel Embi beat to this point. If he ends up missing the rest of this season, um, he would have missed more games than he has played throughout his career so far. So I think it's time just to blow it up and be done with this. Like there's. Like, if you're, if you're at the point now where you barely have a meniscus they already did a meniscus thing. He's almost he's close to the point where he's bone on bone. If they do anything close to his meniscus, again it's bone on bone. It's pretty much over after that. If you're playing like that, they're constantly doing the hip thing, which is crazy. If they have to break a bone in your body to help you get better, then there's no coming back from that. And let alone like when he was playing he was getting weekly injections. No, not weekly, sorry, he's getting injection for every game to try to play. So like mb's never gonna be what he once was. When mb was great well, he was right he was looking like one of the best players in the nba, probably having a hall of fame career. If he stops right now he'd probably be a Hall of Famer because of how, how crazy good he was. But when they signed Paul Giorgio to come over from the Clippers like they were trying to go have this little ass, aradigo, win a championship and that stuff has all gone down, up, up in smokes, up in smoke. So like it's time to blow this thing up. It's awful, like I just I don't know, I don't think there's any way to come back from like the things that they've been kind of dealing with and B like they. He should have sat out like again. He's been missed more games than he's played throughout his career so far. That's an insane thing. And B's been playing in the league for like nine years now like he's been playing for a while and I'm sitting here like so what, like what are we doing here? That? That was something I saw. That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2:Laker fans are ruthless with. Uh, the other night, dallas came to town and, uh, luca was able to play them. Uh, this was in. Uh, well, I forget what they call their their stadium, but this is in LA. Um, with AD in the building. Ad wasn't playing cause he had he got injured on the for his first game playing with the mavericks, but they're saying he's probably gonna be back in about a month or so. Ad was in the building on the bench. Um, those fans the laker fans started chanting thank you nico, who was the gm of the mavs, for the trade that sent luca to the lakers in exchange for ad. The fans and this is the same night they also gave a freaking tribute video to AD and all that, but they were chanting thank you, niko from the crowd and I'm sitting there like. Those fans are absolutely freaking useless like ruthless. They don't care.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah. You basically robbed the maps you did. They gave it to you.
Speaker 2:They gave it to you for AD and a bag of chips, but you had to feel bad for AD, though AD did help win a championship whether it's Mickey Mouse or not, which I truly think it does, based on the situation that they were going through like he did help win a championship whether we, whether they like it or not, but those fans are absolutely ruthless man and I'm like I get it. You're happy with luca. I think luca had a hit, a triple double, that night. He only scored like 19 points, but he was very. I think he had like over like 12 assists, like he did awesome things that night, even if it wasn't scoring the ball a lot. But the lakers have started to look good. They beat the, they beat the nuggets on one night but again, you can surprise, can't.
Speaker 1:What are we doing?
Speaker 2:But again they have no big man. I don't think they're not going to win a championship this year. That's just not how this is going to go. It makes them very frisky. But I'm just sitting here like I don't know. It's just like the NBA is such a toxic place at times and Luka hits a three in the middle of the game and he ends up turning his like turning to look at the whole freaking Dallas Mavericks bench like come on, it's not their fault, they didn't want to trade.
Speaker 2:You, kyrie, that night had like a 40 something point night and it all kind of got drowned out because he didn't have AD beside him. And you have LeBron going for 27 again LeBron to his credit, like he reinvented him. He reinvent, like he almost made it instant the way LeBron has reinvented himself to work alongside Luka. Luka has the ball all the time. Lebron gets to kind of be off the ball a bit and he gets. He gets to choose his spots and he's playing a little better defensively too, because he doesn't have to spend so much effort on the offensive end. Again, it's not like LeBron's playing the best. He's not playing one-on-one defense against the best player on the other side every night, but he's making himself effective while he's on the floor and he's 40 freaking years old. So this move with Luka may extend LeBron's career if he wants it to, if they can kind of make this work, because they have a smart basketball team With those two at the helm. It's a smart basketball team that can do a lot of things and even if Luka is not the best defender, luka is a well-known basketball savant that knows what teams are trying to do to him offensively and defensively and if they can get his effort up to where at least he's trying on defense, they will have opportunities to win games every night.
Speaker 2:And I think if you get into the playoffs, they can ruin somebody's season. They're not championship, probably not title-worthy, but they can ruin the team season that probably wants to. Can they ruin Oklahoma City's season? Yeah, they definitely could with that lineup that they have. But yeah, I just definitely wanted to talk about that. It was kind of like those fans are absolutely ruthless. Like I said, victor Weminyama blood clot in the shoulder, we'll miss the rest of the season, sucks, but it's not a knee injury and apparently they're saying it's like a one-off thing, that they don't expect it to be a long-term thing. So hopefully he'll be babby low to come back next season, because webby is is a very good basketball player, like when he's out there he I people use the word unicorn too often but the word unicorn applies to him in the game of basketball.
Speaker 2:He is so different from everybody else you could possibly see um but yeah, just had to mention that um, zion williamson. They said he's down like 20 something pounds. He's like down like 260. He apparently his coming in playing weight was around 280 when he came into the nba via the uh the combine but like they were saying he was up above 300 at some point. So now they're saying he's down to 260 playing. He has a decent weight.
Speaker 2:I think my whole problem with that is is that if you have to do all of this just for him to kind of take this point like how can you trust him the rest of his career to do what he has to do?
Speaker 2:And I'm like I feel like they lost out like he. If he would have, if this his career would have gone differently, he could be like the guy in the NBA, like he had that type of face, that type of mentality, like fans loved him. He played the one-year Duke, like he was on that trajectory and it just kind of all came like, just went up in smoke and it just kind of sucks. But I had to mention that Anthony Edwards, speaking of face of the NBA, he says that he does not want to be the face of the NBA. He said that's what Wemby's for. So any thoughts on who would be the face of the NBA once LeBron and Steph and KD kind of leave, because once those three guys are gone it's pretty much nobody. Maybe Giannis and this is one thing I kind of was seeing on social media is does that face the NBA have to be an American?
Speaker 1:I've heard that a lot, but I don't think it needs to be an American, I think it needs to be. I'd say I don't know. It's hard to say because there's not. There hasn't been a face like a true face of the NBA for a while, ever since LeBron and Curry started getting older it's probably like the last four years I ain't really been a face of the NBA.
Speaker 2:Those have been the guys right, but those have been the mainstays of the NBA.
Speaker 1:But once they're all in their Everybody was supposed to be just didn't work out. Was supposed to be Zion, that didn't work out was supposed to be Jab media.
Speaker 2:I don't want it. That's what it's for. I don't think it's up to us to know yeah, right, either you take, like it's something that you take, right. I just feel like it's something that like it's thrust upon you. But here's my thing why wouldn't Ant want that? I feel like because that brings you so much more money in the long run.
Speaker 2:Nobody can question LeBron has benefited a lot from being the face of the NBA for as long as he has been. But maybe that's a sort of responsibility, having the whole league on your shoulders, and maybe he doesn't want People look at Ant-Man him coming from, being from Atlanta. They say he's a very real dude. And I think to a certain extent people have compared him to like KD, because KD was always one that's like hey, I really don't want to be the face of the NBA, I just want to play, I just want to hoop and go home. And I'm like that is a good, healthy mentality to have, because once you start taking on the the weight of a whole NBA, it's like the whole NBA and a whole sport. I get how that can be kind of a big weight on your shoulders that maybe some people can't take. And again the fact that the NBA got so lucky for so long with having Jordan become that guy well, magic before him. And then Jordan take on the mantle, and then you kind of had Kobe, and then it kind of kind of ushered into LeBron, and then Steph, and then Katie, kind of helping at times when he ended up being with the Warriors. I'm like that's something the NBA got very lucky with and I just think with. If your league is so attached to needing one person to kind of be the face of it, is that a? Is that a a? Um, how do I? What do I? Is that a recipe for success? Because when I look at the nfl, the nfl does not look at like they don't need a face. Right, the, the teams are the face, and again you're gonna have some guys that kind of take over that become kind of big faces of the league. But like nobody, nobody says like once patchwell holmes retires, like it's going to the NBA, the NFL's going to keep going on. Tom Brady was the goat. Like he retires, things keep going on Like so with the idea that with all like the NBA needs one person to kind of take up that mantle, so much is kind of it's a scary thought process Because I'm like, as great as the NBA is, nba is like looked at as the second best sport in the United States.
Speaker 2:Nba is looked at as the second best sport in the United States. But the fact that they're freaking out so much by needing a face to be the guy that everybody can attach to it doesn't give me a sense of the NBA coming from a strength scenario. It almost feels like they're desperate. I don't know. That makes it a little bit more icky when I start watching them. You're like, oh, the NBA really just needs some. They're like flailing in the wind kind of. It makes me feel sad for them rather than just being happy. The NBA is on and I think that's kind of something that, narrative-wise, is definitely not a good look for the NBA. But yeah, that's it on the NBA story stuff. Let's go on to the NFL. Plenty of stuff to talk about there. Jace, you good over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker 2:All right, nfl news and notes. Mock draft reaction.
Speaker 1:We'll get to that last, but NFL's considering changes to the overtime rules in the regular season to increase the advantage of winning the coin toss.
Speaker 2:Thank God, fuck the overtime rules, they suck dick, they said one option is to make it more like the postseason, where both teams have an opportunity to get the ball.
Speaker 1:No, give everybody one chance. If y'all can't get it, after that fuck it.
Speaker 2:Or extending it to 15 minutes instead.
Speaker 1:Of it being 10. Yes, do one more quarter. Do one more quarter, just do a whole quarter.
Speaker 2:Just do one more quarter. I don't think they want teams that have to play a whole quarter. That's injury concerns.
Speaker 1:If I have to, stay up until 2 in the morning watching fucking 3-point conversions, I will kill myself.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I confer that no fuck you that.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I confer that. No, fuck you that Colorado game was gay. I legit looked at the crock. I was like it's 2 in the morning and I had to decide right then and there I'm not going to work tomorrow. That shit was. They did it 6 fucking times.
Speaker 2:I think that college overtime rules is better than the NFL.
Speaker 1:To be honest, they all suck let's just flip a coin for who wins. Yeah, flip a coin for who.
Speaker 2:That's practically what happens now, because I think I said they um, hold on. Let me go back to the stat, because they said that the with the new, with the way the overtime has been for a while, that it, the percentages, have actually been kind of crazy with how often it's happened. So they said apparently the overtime Receiving team, the team that won the toss, have won 56.8% of the games in overtime from 2017 to 2024, up from 55.4% from 2001 to 2011. So it only keeps going into. The team that receives the coin toss, like it gets the ball first, usually wins, and I think it's only going to go up with offenses getting better and better. And I think the defenses it's just harder for defenses to kind of match up with great offenses, especially with the way the game is going with winning more scoring and all that. So the fact that that's the case is kind of insane. So I do like the idea of them changing it, maybe just making it like the, like the um, like the ones, like the overtime, the playoff, which which would be great, or changing the clock to 15 minutes. Maybe that'll help. But yeah, I do think they do have to change it because just the fact that somebody's just waiting to win the coin toss when the game is kind of crazy again. The freaking meme with baker mayfield against patch mahomes there in the regular season was kind of like one of those all-time moments, because you're like, hey, as soon as he won, won the coin toss. You're like, oh, this game is over. Um, also, the nfl is considering using virtual measuring system in 2025 to indicate first downs. So, so, no more chains. The old guys will still be there to place the ball, but apparently in moments where the ball kind of disappears in the scrum of a play, they will be able to, if they decide to use it, be able to have a system that will be able to tell them if the first down was achieved or not. I feel like that's something that's been long overdue. They've been chipping the ball forever for other things. Why can't they do it for first downs? Because that's such an easy thing, like, hey, if you don't know, if the guys on the sideline don't know, they didn't see it just use the thing real quick. It'll tell you and it'll pretty much be over. It's a very quick process. It's not like you need to go to video review. So it's definitely a welcomed. Uh, a welcome thing, a rule change that they can implement, and I just I hope they take advantage of it because it's such an easy technology that they can use and they don't have to necessarily start firing officials to do it yet. So I don't know how anybody can be um against that rule change.
Speaker 2:Uh going into next season, um. Next next thing, nfl salary cap uh is goes up 23.8 million, takes a 23.8 million dollar jump. Um to now, the salary cap is at 279.2 million dollars. Again. There's really nothing crazy to glean off of that. I think it was like the salary cap went up like 11 or something like that, which like one of the higher, higher amounts in a little while.
Speaker 2:So, with that being the case, it'll help a lot of teams out to be able to go out there and sign more free agents to kind of help out the teams. But no, it was definitely a big deal. The free agent negotiating period starts at March 10th so and the NFL franchise tag deadline is this coming monday at 4 pm. So, with all that coming up, you're definitely the team's gonna have to know how much money they can they have to play with. So, with the uh salary cap, taking a big jump is definitely a big help to everybody in the nfl. Kelsey plans to play in 2025. Apparently the last the superbow Bowl left a bad taste in their mouths. Okay, fine, cool, but they have to be looking at more options at tight end, right?
Speaker 1:I think so. I think they're ready for Kelsey to retire. I think right now he's just taking up space. They have a young tight end behind him. That's been always pretty good. I don't remember his name.
Speaker 2:It's freaking crap. It's like brown or gray.
Speaker 1:Is it gray? I think it's Christian Gray.
Speaker 2:It's something gray.
Speaker 1:But he's been there for a while. I think he's plenty good.
Speaker 2:He's not of Kelsey's talent. I agree, kelsey was that guy.
Speaker 1:I think maybe take a year to tank, or your quarterback is good enough, just so you can go get a receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no for sure. I think the idea that they're tied in was their best pass catcher. Pat was was a plus they had for so long, but it's not something that they can rely on forever, especially with kelsey being 36 years old. So they're gonna have to like put some like real draft stock or put some real brain power into trying to get a real pass catcher to kind of be Mahomes' next number one guy. But again, I think to a certain extent because of his cap number, they were probably hoping for him to retire. But I think Kelsey just had too much money on the line. I don't think he was going to, and not to mention I do kind of believe him that losing Super Bowl the way they did does leave a bad taste in his mouth and he doesn't want to go out like that. So you know. But I do truly think that the Chiefs were hoping that he would retire, so they didn't have to necessarily keep all that money on their books.
Speaker 2:Next thing Packers looking to trade Jair Alexander, one of the better cornerbacks in the NFL. He's not necessarily the most consistent, he's not really healthy all the time, but he is a better if there's a team in the NFL that feels like they're a cornerback away from really doing something, he is definitely an option. Again, what are the packs going to let him go for, which is kind of the bigger question, and not to mention, he's already getting paid a decent amount of money, so it's like he's not going to come cheap. But, with all that being the case, that is a guy on as an option out there. If you're Washington that don't really have a great defensive backfield, that will be an option.
Speaker 2:The Lions, if they are secondary, away from really doing something in the NFL, so that will be an option like there's. There's definitely a big domino out there to deal with, not to mention the fact that the draft this year it's not like they have a bunch of crazy good corners coming out, unlike other positions. With all that being the case, I just think that having as many dominoes as possible to go to if you decide to take advantage of them is definitely helpful to a lot of teams. The NFL Combines this week Travis Hunter and something Ward oh, why am I forgetting?
Speaker 1:his name, the corner, oh, from.
Speaker 2:UNC. No, the quarterback sorry, oh, miami Ward, Cam, ward Cam. They're not going to be throwing. Why I don't? I think in Shador's case? Because I keep seeing videos of both of them kind of doing this, because they both have the same quarterback coach, so they're both out there. They do videos like practice. I see clips of them every day doing stuff like talking to each other and them getting mad at each other because they're so different, but it feels like they just they have to tolerate each other because they both kind of chose the same guy to kind of go to for their offseason stuff um, getting ready for the draft. But like when I see cam war throw, the ball kind of explodes out of that guy's hands. And then when I see shador throw, it's just not nearly the same.
Speaker 2:And the thing coming out when it comes to the combine and all that is like teams are thinking that shador sanders is ordinary when it comes to athleticism. He has an ordinary type of arm. He's nothing really. So I think everything coming out about Shador is that what makes him special is processing and for him to kind of be like he can just kind of figure things out, because in his college career he never really had the best offensive line.
Speaker 2:He was always out there just trying to be a gamer and figure things out. But the moves that he was doing in college football that kind of helped himself survive. He can't do that in the NFL because those guys are much faster than what he's going to be. They're as big as what he's dealt with. And not to mention the fact that Shador was trying to survive in the Big 12 and then when he was at Jackson State but like the Big 12 doesn't have a lot of great defenses that he had to deal with. And the fact that he's now going to be in the NFL with guys that are just as much faster than he is, bigger than he is, I don't think he can necessarily.
Speaker 2:And if he doesn't have a rocket arm when he's sitting there in the pocket to make big plays down the field, Sounds like a mediocre quarterback to me it's going to suffocate your offense and I just think that, with all that being the case, he Ward, who has the crazy athleticism, he has a crazy arm when he does throw it it kind of explodes out of his hand. So I just think, with all that being the case, maybe Ward maybe has more to lose by throwing. But again, I think once Shador decided not to throw, I think it gave Cam Ward a reason not to throw either, because I feel like if both of them would have tried to throw, I think Shador Sanders would have more to lose because he just doesn't have the same type of tools that a guy like Cam Ward has, and even the guys behind them. When we're talking about a Will Howard or we're talking about some other guys heck, quinn Ewers, they said that Quinn Ewers, with all the issues that he had throwing the ball last year, he had a torn oblique and with that being the case, you can't torque your. That's like your whole midsection, that's your core. So, and when you're a quarterback trying to throw on the run and trying to do other things, you're not going to be able to get as much power in your throws when you have a torn oblique than when you don't.
Speaker 2:And when I was seeing some things that they were talking about with uh, with uh well, no, I just said his name and I forgot it Um, with Quinn Ewers, they were saying that like guys that have had tournament leaks before we're talking about like hey, there's no way to kind of tell when those things are going to get healthy, and then every time you play and start throwing again, that stuff will just keep becoming an issue. So you just have to rest and just kind of manage it as you go. And he played a whole season like that in in college football, in the SEC, so maybe that changes how some teams look at him with like teachers talking about like hey, why doesn't he put any zip on any throws? That would be a reason. So, like there are going to be guys that are behind Shador Sanders that are going to have a lot more physical talent than what he has, and that's going to be. The question is like, am I going to spend a higher round draft pick on a guy like Shador Sanders there?
Speaker 1:draft pick on a guy like Shador.
Speaker 2:Sanders right if they don't. Maybe they have a better athletic ceiling than he does, but maybe he's a little more polished. Why would I give up the high pick for him when I can just wait for a round or two? Maybe get one of those guys? Heck, even Jackson Dart. He has physical tools. I'm not saying you're saying I believe in Jackson, are all that much out of Ole Miss, but like he has, there's not a big gap between a guy like Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart, from what you saw with them both in college. So, all that being the case, I just think it just adds a lot of crazy things.
Speaker 2:But question you, jace, while I still have you mentally and physically, yeah um, is there anything that you actually watch in the combine that you like you have to see? Obviously the 40-yard dash is a big one like seeing the guys try to run their fastest is definitely great. I like knowing what their coaches thought about them coaches um. Seeing the interviews and stuff and clips is always a very fun little thing what's your college coach truly thought about you, about you?
Speaker 1:what he says about you, um, means a lot to me, like when we drafted um jordan battle.
Speaker 2:Uh, he was like endorsed by nick saban and that means a lot because safeties are a good from alabama and j turned out to be pretty freaking good, you know what's crazy is that Tom McShay, the guy we're going to be doing his draft thing, is that he cites a story with about Nick Saban, with Jordan Battle, because he was talking about, like hey, I really liked him in the draft and all that. Nick Saban called him and said, hey, I don't want you talking like that about him. I want him to come back to school again for another year. And Tom McShay was looking at him like no, he's very good and he should come out in the draft because he's a very good football player. And it's just one of those things Like hey, when your coach thinks a lot of you, it definitely helps in the draft process for sure it does.
Speaker 1:It makes me feel a little more confident about it.
Speaker 2:Especially if a coach of that caliber is thinking a good of you, but that's coaches, what their coach says about them.
Speaker 1:It means a lot to me.
Speaker 2:And I do like seeing the quarterbacks throw wide receivers when they're catching the football, like when they're doing like the one big line where you have to. They're looking at both sides and they're trying to catch the football and then drop it and be ready for the next one. That definitely shows some like ease, there's some fluidity in their athleticism, be able to kind of and how easy can catch the football. Because when you look at a guy like uh, what's the guy's name from, uh, from the chargers, that can't catch a ball at all, oh, uh, quit johnson, a body catcher, not really great hands catcher, like some a drill like that, but he did great in that room did?
Speaker 2:he really went five for five dang, he caught one. That was the year he jumped up and caught one on one handed okay, all right, I'm wrong on that, but again, his nfl career hasn't really gone that way.
Speaker 1:And then you also have like the tight end from Penn State last year who caught two. He was running, caught one, thought it was the last one, went to turn and run and then dude did the last ball and he caught it one-handed and tucked it in.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so like I like seeing that drill too, because it kind of just shows that if the guys that can catch with their hands and guys that not, so those are the things I kind of look forward to. They're going to be doing the all that drill stuff over the next couple days. If I see anything I like we'll talk about on the next pod, but I'm kind of but once you see it, that's when you have things to talk about. Nothing really beforehand, though, because you know it's just a long process and uh, it's a it's a long one. So, uh, that's about it on that, and, um, it's time to do the draft stuff. So Todd McShay, who is an um NFL draft guy who's been doing it for a while he was on ESPN for a long time, got fired, took like a two-year hiatus and now he's kind of back doing drafts and stuff. Um, I he has like this thing that you have to pay for in order to get his draft stuff and all that. I paid for it because you know it gives us content, content to talk about during draft season. So I got it going ahead and got on it and we have his first draft. So this is his first mock draft before the um, before the combine. So we have it here. I figured we can kind of go through, give our thoughts on it, and that'll be the last thing we do here before we end the podcast today. Let's go ahead and jump into it. Jace, I'll just kind of give you the picks as we go. Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2:Tennessee Titans. Number one pick Abdul Carter Edge from Penn State. Apparently, he has a foot injury. It's like a potential stress fracture on his foot. They're talking about whether he should do surgery or not. Apparently, if he did get surgery it would be like an eight-week recovery time. Obviously he's probably going to have to do it, but apparently some doctors are saying he shouldn't get it. But again, I think if you can get it figured out sooner rather than later, he'll be ready to come in at the start of the season, because the longer he goes, the it gets to not him being up, not be able to play to start the year. I think that would definitely be a hindrance on his draft stock for any team that might want to take him.
Speaker 2:He's looked at as probably one of the probably the best player in the draft um because he's kind of outside of like Travis Hunter, obviously. But Travis Hunter's a little bit harder to kind of translate into the NFL because of you don't really know what he's going to do, but Abdul Carter being an edge obviously with his, his former Micah Parsons, the guy before him, kind of becoming the guy he became in the NFL it is there's an obvious blueprint that a guy like Abdul Carter has coming in the NFL. It just makes him a safer pick. So definitely makes sense that he's at one. Two Cleveland Browns Chavis. Travis Hunter coming out of Colorado Makes sense. But I think there was some news coming out this week that some guys are saying that the Browns are definitely looking at a quarterback. But maybe he made this choice beforehand, who knows. But Travis Hunter makes sense. He's one of the best players in the draft. If you can make the cornerback, wide receiver stuff work, I don't know.
Speaker 1:One of the best players in the draft.
Speaker 2:He is one of the best football players in the draft. Is he the best corner in the draft? No, is he the best wide receiver in the draft? Probably not, definitely not.
Speaker 1:Corner is probably the best wide receiver in the draft is fucking Nick Nash, the dude who had a triple crown that no one fucking talks about. No one talks about this, by the way.
Speaker 2:I know no one talks about it.
Speaker 1:Yes, because he was the third person ever to have a triple crown in the Indian.
Speaker 2:Council Bowl. Yeah, I know, but he was playing at Toledo. Right, he played at San Jose, san Jose. Sorry, my bad.
Speaker 1:He played actual competition.
Speaker 2:I didn't watch any of the Dick Nash. I didn't watch it. I didn't. I saw it. I'm like oh that's cool 1700 yards.
Speaker 1:Dude. He led in receptions, yards and touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Okay, and no one talks about it, nobody does Cause of where he came from. That's. There's classism in this sport. It's definitely.
Speaker 1:Did you see the Press conference? No, so there's a press conference when the DB from UNC I don't know his name, unc, I don't know why are you fucking useless dude?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I try, doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1:God damn, you're useless dude. That's so mean you don't know shit for names dude.
Speaker 2:I forget names all the time. That's definitely a character flaw of mine. For sure, I like forgetting names. Is it from this past year?
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes University of North Carolina.
Speaker 2:I don't watch college football um. Let's see tony grimes, mj stewart, justin lewis uh 2024. Let's do that. You have guys missing. You got guys moving. Let's go by position Defensive back Alright. Ty White, antavious Lane, jakeen Harris, malcolm Ziegler, zion Ferguson, tyrain Stewart, ty Adams, trey Miller, deandre Boykins, jaden Patterson, reggie Love.
Speaker 1:AJ Elijah. Oh, elijah Huzzy.
Speaker 2:Yes, jayden, patterson reggie love aj elijah. Oh, elijah huzzy. Yes, I do remember his name, you have definitely heard it. Yes, elijah huzzy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably the best tv coming out. Okay, this is the press conference. That's elijah huzzy, that's travis hunter. That's Elijah Huzzy, that's Travis Hunter. Real quick, he wasn't the best DB, he wasn't the best receiver. Why is he being drafted so high?
Speaker 2:Because they look at him as just a great football player. But again, like you said, he may slide because teams don't know what to do with him.
Speaker 1:Or he may slide Because he played no competition. And now you're in the NFL and you gotta pay the. You're gonna be drafted as either a number one DB or a number one receiver, and you ain't fucking either.
Speaker 2:You ain't either. I think cornering Probably has a better chance, because it really is Like John A Barron, I believe. The guy Out of Texas this might be one, but what drills is he doing Not? A lot of great. He's doing all the cornerback drills. He's not doing any wide receiver oh is he running the 40?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I don't recall him being very fast.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. If he runs in the 4-4s he'll be fine, but if he runs anything outside of that, it will become an issue for sure. Because, being a more. He's about round 6'1". He's not necessarily like a 6'2", 6'3" guy.
Speaker 1:So you better have a good speed If you run a 4'5". I'm not going to lie to you as a DB if you run a 4'5".
Speaker 2:He's on a slide. He's on a slide for sure. If you run a 4'5" and you're not that big, you're fucking under after a while. I honestly think overall you don't have necessarily to be as fast and he showed some good athleticism to be a wide receiver at Colorado. But you know who knows?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again no, hey, I don't necessarily agree with him being a top five pick either. I don't. He has no skills to be a receiver, especially an NFL receiver?
Speaker 2:No, obviously I don't think he's anywhere near one of the better receivers in this draft. No for sure I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I just think he has some good instincts, I don't think he's good enough to be a DBE.
Speaker 2:I think he's good enough to. If he chose one side, he'll be good enough to be an NFL player, whether he'll be a star. If you're getting drafted this high, you better be a star.
Speaker 1:I truly don't think he's a star. I don't think he's. He had a legendary college football season and when it comes to playing both sides, and that's going to give him a lot of cash in.
Speaker 2:You only had four interceptions, right? Okay, fine, legendary is probably a little hard. There's linebackers he had a very, very good season in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even very, very good. He had a mid-ass season. That dude was mid on both sides of the ball. Yeah, it's just he was mid on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2:Right. So it's so amazing, so they put it all together and just say, oh, this is a very good season. Okay, fine, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a very good season on either side. You had 1,100 yards yeah, that's cool. A number one college receiver does that and a fucking blink can do that. Shit. Fucking, what's? Emeka Abuka had 1100 yards and he's not even the One option on his team, Colonel Tate.
Speaker 2:Jeremiah Smith had 1100 yards. He had 1200.
Speaker 1:Colonel Tate Almost had 1000 yards, and that nigga's the third option. Yeah, you not special, you not. You did nothing special. Four interceptions, dude. Jack Sorger had two.
Speaker 2:He did have two. So guess what? You did Nothing fucking impressive.
Speaker 1:Right you did nothing special.
Speaker 2:Four interceptions, dude. Jack Soror had two. He did have two, so that's what you did.
Speaker 1:Nothing fucking impressive. Right, you did nothing impressive. There is linebackers and defensive ends with as many interceptions as you. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe he Against better competition, right? Yes, because he's playing Big 12. You played?
Speaker 1:none of the top TBs. You played none of the top TVs. You played none of the top receivers. What the fuck did you do? You sound like an 800-yard receiver at a big school and too slow to cover anybody else Because you're not fast. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2:He's not fast. He's going to run a 4.5. I hope you know he's going to run a 4.5.
Speaker 1:I hope you know he's going to run a fucking mid. He's going to run like a 4.6.
Speaker 2:He's a 4.6. No, he's going to run a 4.46. Okay.
Speaker 1:That is how fast he's going to run. That is too slow.
Speaker 2:That is way too slow to be a receiver and it is not fast enough to be a DB, because the receivers are faster than you and they know what they're doing, so you have to be able to not only react to them, but keep up with them, which is a hard. There's a reason why they call the cornerbacks in the NFL the best athletes on the field.
Speaker 1:What did they say? He's going to go.
Speaker 2:They're saying two to the Cleveland.
Speaker 1:I hope to God you don't go to Cleveland, because Jamar Chase is going to carve you the fuck up.
Speaker 2:We going to show you what a number one receiver looks like? I doubt that, because I do think the Browns need a draft quarterback.
Speaker 1:I really do Even better. I hope that, god, we play the Browns. We play them early, we always play them early. I'm going to watch Jamar Chase 300 yards easy On that nigga's dome. Jamar Chase is going to show you what a number one receiver really looks like. Yeah, he will, and you, not the DB, to stop him. I pray to God T Higgins ain't on the team, because T Higgins is bigger than you and T Higgins is fucking faster than you. I don't know about you, but T Higgins ran the 4-3's. He ran a slow 4-3. It was like a 4-3-9 or something like that it.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm not the biggest Travis Hunter believer you want to see athleticism. Wait until he jumps and there ain't no, nothing you can do.
Speaker 1:T Higgins had a 44-inch vertical T Higgins can jump. Yeah, he can we talk about Drake London being a jump ball master and he is. Drake London's vertical is crazy and he's also like huge. T Higgins was playing basketball at Clemson yeah. Dude, you go to the Browns. I pray to God. I see you in a Cleveland Browns jersey.
Speaker 2:I pray to God they're going to pick on you.
Speaker 1:I hope it goes to the Browns. This is the best list ever. Fuck the rest of the draft. This mock draft is elite. I hope to God I see Travis Hunter in a Cleveland Browns jersey. New York Giants I hope to God Joey Porter going to lock his ass up if he plays receiver.
Speaker 2:I'm tweaking, I'm tweaking, I'm geeking, I'm geeking.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, George Pickens would carve his ass up. George Pickens would make a fucking fool of him at DB yeah. And George.
Speaker 2:Pickens would go full of him in DB and then go fuck his girl Because everybody else has Exactly, but George Pickens would do it in a shy. Steve, oh man Pick three Giants.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry I'm now so excited about the fact he could come to the AFC North and he's going to see what football is. You want to play football with the best. We're considered the best division in football. You know why we had three teams almost make the playoffs In our best year we had four. Yeah, you want to come fuck around and play some football with some real football players? Oh yeah, because you're not fucking Denzel Ward.
Speaker 2:Denzel Ward's that boy, and that's what makes me weird about drafting him too, because I'm like they just paid Denzel Ward. They need a quarterback.
Speaker 1:But Denzel Ward is requesting a trade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he's formally requesting one. He has formally requested a trade. Okay, I might have missed that one, like two or three days after Miles Garrett did it. Might have missed Miles Garrett did it first. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I think it was just a power play of hey, make a move for a team A quarterback, do something else, get Deshaun Watson out of here.
Speaker 2:Definitely a possibility. But yeah, I just don't think, I don't know how the Travis Hunter thing makes sense for the Browns. I just don't think it makes sense Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's what the Browns are going to do.
Speaker 2:They already have a number one corner.
Speaker 1:Deshaun Watson sucks, yeah. So the Browns Are definitely gonna draft Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2:That makes total sense Make a terrible decision. Yeah, I get what you're saying I get it.
Speaker 1:Every DB and receiver In the AFC North Is gonna carve him the fuck up, cause he ain't that good, now you want that.
Speaker 2:Now you're gonna be rooting for that when the draft comes, aren't you, dude?
Speaker 1:the AFC North Is not a place for the weak dude. It's not Four games where mid-fucking game they're boxing each other. Yeah, I don't know what. That was against Jacksonville, actually, where AJ Green fucking grabbed Jalen Ramsey. Full hand to helmet. He's just swinging on his helmet. Aj Green was beating his ass, but mid-game we just fighting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Next thing New York Giants Cam Ward, miami Makes sense. They need a quarterback that makes sense their head coach and GM need to save their jobs, so they can't do anything else but quarterback here, because they're not going to Right Exactly.
Speaker 1:The running back. Y'all let go. Just had a historic season, right.
Speaker 2:They don't want a Super Bowl. Y'all are cooked and y'all let dan jones go because, like you, y'all are cooked cam ward.
Speaker 1:Better go out there when you a super bowl or you are fucked yeah, there is nothing you can do.
Speaker 2:Exactly now you're gonna be drafting a quarterback for some another gm and coach to have a chance to coach, because two years ago they were worshiping tommy devito because he had two good games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, y'all are so bad.
Speaker 2:But cam ward gives them. He has athletic ceiling, he has the chance to kind of make them come back to relevancy, but it seems like an easy pick Four. New England Patriots Mason Graham, interior defensive lineman from Michigan Makes a very good pick.
Speaker 1:Mason Graham is very good.
Speaker 2:They are coached by.
Speaker 1:Mike Rabel, defensive head coach. Yeah, it makes sense, defensive head coach. I think they got signed some offensive talent.
Speaker 2:They have the most money in the NFL when it comes to yeah. They have 130 millions, so like they have, they can fill out their team very nicely and then draft a guy like this to be their star defensive lineman.
Speaker 1:It's a good pick. It'd be huge. Well, I guess anything for the Patriots is a good pick. Yeah, because they need. Just don't take a quarterback, just don't take a quarterback.
Speaker 2:Don't take a quarterback and everything else is pretty much good. Everything else is a good fucking pick. They have needs everywhere else. Yeah, Don't take a corner, because there's not really a good enough corner.
Speaker 1:They already have their number one guy, I forget he's on that team. Yeah, christian Gonzalez, he's awesome.
Speaker 2:Shut. He shut down everybody. He shut down everybody. Jacksonville tight end, penn State this is high for a tight end.
Speaker 1:Tyler Warren is good.
Speaker 2:He's very good. He's very good, but like At five.
Speaker 1:Jacksonville needs so many other things.
Speaker 2:They need so much, why wouldn't you Again? There's no wide receiver really good enough to really take at five, but why would you take a tight end? He is really good and, as far as I know, their defense isn't good either.
Speaker 1:Okay, defense isn't good either. Okay, okay, okay, hold on.
Speaker 2:Tyler Warren is really good 80 blocks, so he is a dual-purpose guy.
Speaker 1:He is almost a carbon copy of George Kittle. Yeah, he is really really good, but at five when y'all need a lot of other things. Right, Because don't they still have Evan Ingram?
Speaker 2:No, he's gone.
Speaker 1:Oh, because don't they?
Speaker 2:still have Evan Ingram? No, he's gone. Oh, they're letting him be a free agent At five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, last time I drafted at five was Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2:Like when you're taking a guy like this, like that's like a, you're trying to change your team, like this is like the last piece of a championship, type of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's what the Falcons thought they were doing with Kyle Pitts, With this. I'm just saying you're like Tyler Warren is almost a lock to be good though, he's so good though, but y'all, need so many other things. Y'all need defense crazy.
Speaker 2:Y'all need linebackers.
Speaker 1:Y'all need DBs Again at five. Is there a defensive player to take at five?
Speaker 2:A Will Johnson a corner.
Speaker 1:That's not bad, but again, I don't see an offensive player to take it five. Tyler Warren is probably the best offensive player to take a five yes, to take at this point outside of quarterback.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's the best offensive player.
Speaker 1:I just think it's a weird pick when you guys really need a defense and are y'all really? Really need no line, like really fucking bad really bad this is just an odd pick.
Speaker 2:And not to mention, like are they really sure Trevor Lawrence is really the guy long term for them?
Speaker 1:I wouldn't be.
Speaker 2:Like this is a pick that you're trying to help your quarterback out, if you believe in him, and I'm like do you really believe in him like that?
Speaker 1:I know Tyler Warren's so good.
Speaker 2:He could have a Brock Bowers. I don't think Brock Bauer is a different animal, but he'd be very good, though He'd be probably thrust into being probably a top 10 tight end his first year because of how good he is, I know, and that's bizarre Six, the Raiders Shador Sanders. This seems like an easy pick.
Speaker 2:It drops down to them Apparently the Raiders are. Apparently Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford went sledding together to try to get to know each other. Why would together to try to get to know each other? Why would matthew stafford go there again he's having his issues with the rams then not want to pay him the money he wants to get paid? But like you're not gonna go win with the raiders, they'll pay your money that you want, he said. They said he wants like 50 million dollars a year. That's what's up. You 36 bro, yeah you you 36 he's not.
Speaker 2:He's not 36. Matthew stafford is 36 years old oh yeah, he's four years younger than Rodgers. Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And you got elbow problems. Like Ben, he's a top, but again, the way he played this last year, he's a top 10 quarterback. Looking back on it, the Rams gave the Eagles the best game in the playoffs. They did, but again that was the closest game. In the playoffs, they did, but again that was the closest game was the Rams and Matthew Stafford was the leader of that.
Speaker 1:You guys are at a good point to restart. This would be a great year to restart. There's better quarterbacks coming out next year. Yeah, or y'all could be like hey, Will Howard would be good for us.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about the Raiders side, or you're talking about the Rams?
Speaker 1:The talking about the Rams, the Rams, the.
Speaker 2:Raiders. I think the Rams are like what the fuck does this do for you? I don't know, if you take Shador, fine, and like why would you take Shador and then bring?
Speaker 1:in Matthew Stafford. This is a Kirk Cousins situation. Don't do this, don't do this, don't do this.
Speaker 2:I'm like Matthew Stafford would be great, but him start young, yes, and then not have to pay him.
Speaker 1:Like that's the young he is he's 22, 23. Like he's younger.
Speaker 2:I guess for quarterback james adams came out he was like 24 years old.
Speaker 1:So well, yeah, so joe burrow was 25 right.
Speaker 2:So like with, so he's younger by in in by comparison, but like getting them in early and then being able to pay them very much, a lot less money is what the that's the plus of having a quarterback come out in the first round yeah, I agree, I like the pick.
Speaker 1:I think it's a good pick.
Speaker 2:But with, potentially with stafford too.
Speaker 1:Doesn't make sense no, I think, but the rams getting rid of stafford this upcoming year makes sense the timelines probably don't work out.
Speaker 2:They're a very young team. Now they can get out. This would make a lot of sense this next year's a better year to tank because there's better quarterbacks, right and they're saying this for stafford potentially the jets, potentially the steelers, potentially the giants, but again, the giants can take a quarterback, so why would they do that?
Speaker 1:two of those teams make some sense.
Speaker 2:The steelers make sense, but I'm like I don't want to do this again. Stafford would be good, but again does he get it win a super bowl? Don't think so. He'd make us a lot better. We'd probably win more games in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:He's not likable.
Speaker 2:But, like again, I don't want to keep doing this whole getting a band-aid, throwing it on like oh, we'll get after it later but we all know Matthew Stafford can be more than a fucking band-aid.
Speaker 1:Matthew Stafford can be the championship piece of like the Steelers would need.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then we need it's just you would.
Speaker 1:Because if you were to get Matthew Stafford, you would have to draft a receiver.
Speaker 2:And we'd have to pay him. So we'll have to draft another receiver and we'll have a lot of money put into one guy that we don't know will be here for more than a year or two.
Speaker 1:Probably not.
Speaker 2:So what are we?
Speaker 1:doing. He is 36 and he has the same elbow problem.
Speaker 2:He already contemplated retirement this offseason. He was like I'm not sure if I want to retire or not, but no, I want to come back and get paid $50 million a year. What are we doing here? I don't know. It's just a weird thing. Seven New York Jets Will Johnson, michigan. It seems crazy that they have Sauce Gardner. Why do you need another one? But Sauce Gardner did not play well last year, but again his first year he played great.
Speaker 1:So was it a regression. They are letting him walk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the guy on the other side, yeah, maybe but the Jets have other needs too. Quarterback, quarterback.
Speaker 1:That's about it.
Speaker 2:Quarterback. They probably need more weapons because they're probably going to get rid of Devontae. Adams is not going to be there long term. They're going to probably let him walk, so they don't have anybody outside of Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1:They have Brees.
Speaker 2:Hall. They have Brees Hall, but they don't have any receivers outside of.
Speaker 1:Wilson, what is this?
Speaker 2:eight Pick, eight Pick seven. What receiver are you taking at seven McMillan?
Speaker 1:Apparently people are saying McMillan's that kind of guy, I guess. No, he's 6'7", he's tall. But yeah, you're right, jump ball, jump ball, jump ball, fuck out of here. Maybe this is like the best guy on the board Run a route, motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Best guy on the board. Maybe that makes sense. Eight Carolina Panthers. Mike K Williams, edge from Georgia.
Speaker 1:Makes sense. They need a defensive guy. Y'all seen an O-line.
Speaker 2:I won't forget the quarterback's name Bryce Young. Bryce Young is going to be able to stay upright.
Speaker 1:Their number one thing is let's just make the team better. True, and I'll be honest with you you can pick anything here.
Speaker 2:I prefer offensive linemen though.
Speaker 1:I agree. But again, any pick for the Panthers is a good pick, You're not wrong.
Speaker 2:Number nine Saints, jalen Walker Edge. Georgia Makes sense.
Speaker 1:That's another team that needs a lot, but again, anything will make them better. Their defense is aging and overpaid, exactly, and Alvin Kamara is getting $32 million a year.
Speaker 2:Getting young at good spots like this is good. 10, bears Will Campbell offensive tackle from LSU Makes sense.
Speaker 1:Good pick Protect their quarterback because the line sucked Still ran out the pocket.
Speaker 2:True, but off the line sucked. Maybe you can get a blow protection, but they were so bad. 11, Niners Kelvin Banks Jr. Off the tackle from Texas. The way I saw him play against Ohio State in the playoff game doesn't give me a lot of confidence, but maybe somebody will be able to coach him up and make him better.
Speaker 1:I think the Niners can do that. I think it's a good pick, good pick. I think it's a good pick, good pick. I think offensive line is a good pick, regardless, not to mention.
Speaker 2:They don't need him to play left tackle right away.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Because they still have Williams at their left tackle spots. Maybe he can play for a year or two more.
Speaker 1:Have this guy at right tackle learn. I think it's a good pick because of the team.
Speaker 2:But I think it's a good pick and I think they can coach players out very well. Cowboys, if you had to pick.
Speaker 1:It's a running back.
Speaker 2:It's a fucking running back. Ashton Denty, and I believe it. Ashton Denty, I would totally believe it.
Speaker 1:And I believe they. I'm not going to cap with you If I'm a Cowboys fan and up I dude, I can't. What does this do for?
Speaker 2:us. This does nothing. This does nothing. We can't stop the run, so we get our running back. What are we doing? What are we doing? I will give them this credit their running back room sucked okay cool, but the running back position is so stacked this year you can wait bro take a defensive you need anything else, you need a tackle. You need a defensive tackle to stop the run you need a defensive tackle to stop the run.
Speaker 1:You need a defensive tackle. You need DBs that can look at the quarterback and the receiver at the same time.
Speaker 2:Maybe tackle a little bit, might be nice.
Speaker 1:You need an O-line, you need a new fucking quarterback. Your dude's ass. And everybody says it and everybody knows it. The only thing you have right now is a pretty good receiver and a dude who can't stop the run.
Speaker 2:Even though he's a pretty good receiver that may be overpaid for what he gives you.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but again, your best defensive players neither can stop the run. How do you have two defensive ends who can't stop the run?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Again, ashton would be a good piece to add, but it just doesn't.
Speaker 1:It ain't the piece you need At this spot.
Speaker 2:take a defensive lineman and get a running back later, because there's like 10, 15 running backs that are all good that you could take in later rounds.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't make sense to pick them up right now. They could also go O-linemen. Their O-line is very old.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're freaking with their best offensive lineman, just decided to retire Like name the best one that they had I do.
Speaker 1:I know you're talking about, but again, their o-line is that old yeah, they're retiring, they need, they need guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so an offensive line.
Speaker 1:Pick uh a defensive. You need offensive line of defense line yeah, pick one very linebackers are actually pretty. They're pretty decent. Yeah, they're not the best in the nfl, but they're pretty serviceable you're your defensive backs, you're okay. And then you're set your your safeties. You need new ones, but they're okay. Right, you can't stop the run at all, and if y'all can't get to the quarterback in time, your DBs can tackle Exactly.
Speaker 2:If you had somebody that can clog up the run, add defensive tackle, it would make.
Speaker 1:Michael Parsons' job easier. I think his name's Lawrence, something Lawrence.
Speaker 2:Dexter Lawrence. It's uh, demarcus Lawrence. Demarcus Lawrence, yes, yes, yes, demarcus Lawrence, that's his name. Yes.
Speaker 1:It would make their job easier If you have a dude in the middle Taking up two guys. Yeah, that could help stop the run.
Speaker 2:That is what makes guys like Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1:So good, I'm going to clog up the front.
Speaker 2:Or Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1:Yes, it takes two guys to watch them, right.
Speaker 2:Because they're so big.
Speaker 1:Dexter, lawrence and Cam Hayward, they clog up the front and they give guys like Brian Burns, kayvon Thibodeau, tj Watt, nick Herbick. It gives them time to just get around the side Because I only have one guy to get past. Right, I'm small and I'm faster than you.
Speaker 2:Just don't let the running back get outside of you, but then you can just go after the quarterback Simple as that Exactly yes.
Speaker 1:That is the only thing the Giants have figured out. They have a really good defensive line. Yeah, that is all they have their. The Giants are hot ass. Their defensive line is very good, but it's just. The rest of the team is awful. Their defense as a whole is pretty freaking good. Yeah, it's just. Your offense is laughable.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is hilarious what is happening on offense. I think it's the funniest shit in the world, because I'm watching you guys and I'm looking at your quarterback. I don't know who the fuck that is. Is that Drew fucking Locke? Y Y'all have Drew Locke playing. Drew Locke, that's what there is Y'all were starting Tommy DeVito because Drew Locke was winning you games. Yeah, that's how bad your quarterback situation was. Yeah, the dude that was winning you games. You're like I'm going to bench him, bench him, bench him, bench him. And you did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly 13,. Dolphins Armand if they want to keep, I agree, two around Three of their defensive linemen had an ACL problem.
Speaker 1:Y'all need defense, they need defensive ends badly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had three hurt defensive ends, but this may be the draft where you can wait a round. You can probably pick up a defensive end in the second round and still be okay.
Speaker 1:No, they need a first round. Three of their defensive ends popped in ACL. Defensive ends are very deep class this year Three defensive ends are ACLs.
Speaker 2:I know they have no defensive ends, so you're saying they need multiple.
Speaker 1:Yes, they don't have any defensive ends. It won't protect Tua. He won't put on a bump cap Bro. His logical thinking is already gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, you've had seven concussions, let's throw in a bump cap. No, I'm going to go out there and play without it.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, this nigga's stupid, lost all the brains you can't tell me he's not.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know who is Dude. Did he put on a bump cap Demar Hamlin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, brad basically had, let's not risk it.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, they're lame looking, but Tua, you touch the ground instantly. Yeah, it turns out, yeah.
Speaker 2:Come on now. 14 Colts John A Barron DB from Texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good pick.
Speaker 2:Very good pick. Their defense has an issue.
Speaker 1:Their defense is bad. You got. They could have also picked Emeka Abuka. They could use a receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like through and through a number two Falcons Mike Green, edge from Marshall Very good. He's a guy that's kind of going up draft boards because he's a very athletic guy. Arizona Cardinals 16,. James Pierce Jr from edge, from Tennessee Good pick. They need more defensive guys.
Speaker 1:They could really use a DB here.
Speaker 2:They could, but there's not a lot of great DBs in their first round. Dbs there's really not.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:John A Bear is the only guy that people are really talking about as that kind of guy, but even he is closer to a taller, slower guy. There's really no lockdown type of corner coming out, got it. Potentially a safety Pick 17. Your team, cincinnati Bengals, todd McShay has them picking Colston Loveland, tight end from Michigan.
Speaker 1:Stop drafting Michigan players. They all suck ass.
Speaker 2:This is what I'll give him credit for. I think Colston Loveland with that he is closer to a Travis Kelsey type of tight end. He's not going to block a lick, he don't block. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it.
Speaker 1:He's not going to block anything. Yeah, type shit. Yeah, type shit. Y'all niggas need defense. Where's your defensive line at?
Speaker 2:They need defensive line.
Speaker 1:so bad, miles Murphy is your next D-end we are cooked. He Murphy is your next D-end we are cooked. He is ass, he's ass. We need defensive backs so badly that I would be okay if you guys drafted one right here.
Speaker 2:Even if it was overdrafting Dude.
Speaker 1:Dax Hill was overdrafting and he was pick 31.
Speaker 2:And he was still overdrafting.
Speaker 1:Myles Murphy was pick 30. There's a reason why he fell on everybody's draft board because he was not athletic enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Y'all need defense but you're just all about needing a tight end go get a defensive end. There's so many defensive in this draft do not get in his notes the bangles in his notes on this pick. The bangles could also target interior defensive line, edge and offensive line with this pick. Yeah, they need all three of those things.
Speaker 1:You need interior offensive line so bad. Orlando Brown is 31. He's 32. Yeah, and he only has one more year in his deal and y'all are going to fuck up and not signing on that left tackle and trying to move Mims over there. Mims can't play left tackle, exactly.
Speaker 2:He's low.
Speaker 1:Right. Keep him at right tackle. That's where he fits interior offensive line is garbo. Garbo, hot garbage, that is why defensive tackles like Cam Hayward kept getting through, right Defensive tackles like Matt Abouke kept getting through. Yeah, you guys, you can stop the guys the D-ends, you can't stop the DTs. Right, dts are not the ones that are supposed to get in the sacks.
Speaker 2:Exactly, they're supposed to clog it up. No, cam Hayward running free.
Speaker 1:We saw it Live action.
Speaker 2:I can see. I watched Cam Hayward, just he's in the back, slice right through and Joe Burrow's running for his life. Hot knife through butter.
Speaker 1:Dude. Our interior off the line sucks. Yeah, we need an offensive, we need a left guard, we need a right guard, we need a center. No question when I pick 17,. You can draft a guard here, that's okay, heck.
Speaker 2:The next team Seattle Seahawks. Tyler Booker, offense guard, Alabama.
Speaker 1:That is a great guard. Draft him instead. Yeah, I don't fucking want a tight end.
Speaker 2:Not at this spot, Like you have more pressing needs More pressing needs.
Speaker 1:The Seattle pick makes so much sense. I would like that pick.
Speaker 2:If it was freaking, if it was Tyler Warren falling to this spot and you were able to draft him that makes sense, because he has a chance to be one of the best tight ends in the NFL.
Speaker 1:That's okay. That is a hey, fuck it, let's keep going. Offense.
Speaker 2:Best player possible Cool that's fine, I just, think this one it's rich.
Speaker 1:It's rich, for what? The things that you guys need.
Speaker 2:Already mentioned, Seattle pick 18, Tyler Booker, offensive guard in Alabama.
Speaker 1:Very good, pick Something the Bengals should probably do 19.
Speaker 2:Tambay Buccaneers Jahad Campbell, Linebacker from Alabama. He's looked at as the best linebacker in the draft. Where are you picking 21. 21? Very good pick Buccaneers. They have a pretty good defense already but they are a little bit older at linebacker. They are older at linebacker, so getting a guy like this would definitely be a huge help.
Speaker 1:Levante Davis is the best linebacker and he is up there in age.
Speaker 2:Broncos 20.
Speaker 2:Teteroy, mcmillan, wide receiver, arizona, very good Makes sense they really don't have a lot of great wide receivers on their team Definitely would help build up them right away, even if he's he's pretty good. But you have a guy on the other side of him would also be very good. But they did pick up a wide receiver last year. That was McMillan, I think was his name. No, that's for the Buccaneers, it was a different tight end. It was the guy from Oregon I think was his name. I forget it. But again, wide receiver doesn't make terrible sense, doesn't make? It's not a bad pick.
Speaker 2:21, steelers Omarion Hampton running back, north Carolina. My thoughts why? Omarion Hampton's very good. He's a stud in North Carolina running back, very good Athletic. He's a little bit more of a bruiser but he has very good way speed. But I just think we should have learned our lesson from Najee Harris, the things we need at this pick. We could easily go wide receiver here. We could easily go defensive line here, like not necessarily defensive end, but maybe go. But we are a good defensive line too.
Speaker 1:You could use a defensive tackle.
Speaker 2:I could go corner safety.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you. If there's any pressing concern in your defense, you need a defensive tackle.
Speaker 2:I could use corner. I could use corner. Pretty bad too.
Speaker 1:Outside, I agree, but I think your safeties are so good we have a safety, that's so good.
Speaker 2:The other guy, which is always a rotating door of who's the guy, that's healthy this week, I agree, but I really think you need a defensive tackle. I just think Cam.
Speaker 1:Hayward's going into his.
Speaker 2:We did pick up the guy from Wisconsin, I know, but in this year's draft at 21,.
Speaker 1:You can get a stud defensive tackle. The other defensive tackle from Michigan is still on the board. He hasn't been drafted yet.
Speaker 2:Kenneth Grant. He's the next pick for the Chargers.
Speaker 1:Kenneth Grant would be a great fucking pick for the Steelers.
Speaker 2:He'd be a very good pick.
Speaker 1:Him and Cam Hayward are very similar in how they play Cam Hayward's going into year 15. Can you expect you get another three out of him? Probably not. No.
Speaker 2:Probably a year or two, yes, so I think another guy sitting next to him would be perfect.
Speaker 1:You guys did draft a guy, but while you have a guy like Cam Hayward to teach everybody everything. You should have young guys that are learning from him right so I think another defensive tackle would be great.
Speaker 2:Here I agreed I'd go corner, or I'd go freaking corner or I'd go wide receiver I agree, there's no corners that are that good, apparently he said fsu cornerback, azaria thomas, he's a very he's like a physical guy. He has like all the physical he's like more of like a locked closer or locked down corner.
Speaker 1:You don't need another physical guy. Joey Porter's flagged all the fucking time. Yeah, but he's a faster guy, oh yeah, cool, joey Porter's still flagged all the fucking time. You don't need another physical guy, I'm just saying it doesn't work for. Cam Tilly Bray. It don't work for Joey Porter. Emek Agbuka right here in his draft yes, you think Emek Agbuka goes in the second round?
Speaker 2:apparently it's all based on his 40 time. If he runs in the 4-4's team, somebody will pick him up in the first round. I hope it's the Steelers, but they said if he doesn't run in the 4-4's then it would be an issue. I can't. He's a grown man, wide receiver, that does everything. He runs very good routes. He blocks when I can't. He's a grown man, wide receiver, that does everything. He runs very good routes.
Speaker 1:He blocks When's the last time you had a wide receiver come in, that actually legitimately blocks.
Speaker 2:I saw him put so many niggas on their ass in the playoff.
Speaker 1:Boom On their butts. There were some runs where y'all would give Travion Henderson the ball and he'd go to run to the outside and Macko Booker's like bam.
Speaker 2:They had him be the lead blocker on some plays in the in the during the season he was a lead blocker. What wide receiver you know that could do that?
Speaker 1:he was that guy.
Speaker 2:I, I personally that's what I want that's what I think I want a grown man at wide receiver because pickens, as great as he is, he'll never be a grown man because he's a cry baby emotionally, emeka. He's a grown man that knows what he's doing. He'll be a professional from day one. That would be the pick I want.
Speaker 1:That's what I want dude, that's gonna be a second round pick I hope not.
Speaker 2:I like he's good. He should be a first round, like he should be the best wide receiver in this draft I think he's a mid to late first round, but people are so enamored with you know, physical tools, that's not the dude that would fuck around and end up on the chiefs.
Speaker 1:I think I'd cry.
Speaker 2:I think I'd cry, oh, my god, now that, oh my god, you just hurt my feeling when you said that I think I'd cry no, god no I may actually shoot myself, if that happens that may just make me emotional, when you said that if you end up on the chiefs, I'd have to hate him I, I don't want to have to hate him I love him.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to cap with you. If they were to draft Emeka Ibuka, they're going back to the Super Bowl. They are because— there's shit you can do about it.
Speaker 2:He's not a gadget receiver, but he can do everything you ask him to do, real quick—.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, If Tavon Austin was drafted in today's NFL, he'd be the best player in the NFL.
Speaker 2:He'd have a much better career because teams would have more creativity to do with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I could only imagine what a Tavon Austin on the Chiefs would do. I think he was Tyreek Hill before Tyreek Hill. I agree he walked so Tyreek Hill could run.
Speaker 1:I thought about it when I was sitting in bed.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I have to give Tyreek Hill a little bit of credit. Tyreek Hill is over 200 pounds, so he's a thicker guy that can stand up to an NFL workload. In a way, tavon Austin was never going to be that thick.
Speaker 1:Tyreek Hill also had elite speed.
Speaker 2:Tavon Austin was fast, but he wasn't Tyreek Hill fast.
Speaker 1:I am as close to an Olympic sprinter as you're going to get in the NFL. Yeah, but I was just thinking about it. I was like man, he'd be amazing in today's NFL.
Speaker 2:He would. Yeah, martin Hampton, that's who they picked. I just think there's so many running backs, dang. There's so many running backs, pick one in the second or third round.
Speaker 1:But it's very rich. To take one ineka Ibuka, I'd kill myself.
Speaker 2:Me too. I would do it along with you, because that is a nightmare scenario.
Speaker 1:It's horrifying? Yeah, it is. They can already scheme guys open, but he can get himself open.
Speaker 2:He can get himself open and he'll do everything you could possibly do. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Because the moment I watch him run out to the outside and lay a block for Pacheco and then I watch Pacheco run a dude over. I.
Speaker 2:What are we supposed to do at that point? There is nothing you can do. That would suck.
Speaker 1:If I swear to God, if I watch him slide to the Kansas City Chiefs and pick 32.
Speaker 2:It would suck, I would hate it.
Speaker 1:Now I'm going to have to watch the whole draft to see if he gets drafted. I would hate it. Now I'm going to have to watch the whole draft to see if he gets drafted.
Speaker 2:I would hate it. I hate it. 31. 31. They didn't win the Super Bowl, los Angeles.
Speaker 1:Chargers. I've been saying 32 this whole time. Holy shit, I guess it's just natural.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Two years in a row. I get it. He starts to become part of the course 22,. Los makes sense. Their defense was kind of a especially their interior defensive line. Not great. He would be an instant help for that team. Agreed Green Bay Packers Walter Nolan. Interior defensive line Ole Miss Another good pick. They couldn't stop the run last year, definitely be a help.
Speaker 1:You could also use an O-lineman.
Speaker 2:They could use an O-lineman.
Speaker 1:They could use an interior.
Speaker 2:O-lineman, but they know how to build up an offensive lineman, so maybe they can pick one later on in the draft and kind of build him up to be the starter for them.
Speaker 1:I agree, but you also don't have the time to build one up. Jordan Love's already throwing a pick. Yeah, he is antsy when he gets outside of the pocket. It is the scariest thing in the world.
Speaker 2:And he has no stop button in his brain. He's just going to throw it up. He don't care. If he sees a little bit of an opening, he'll try, and it most likely is going to be a pick, because he knows how to throw it up.
Speaker 1:If he played basketball he'd be just like James Harden He'd go 30 for 50.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no. You're giving him way too much credit. He'll be just like the play for the Warriors.
Speaker 1:Jordan Poole.
Speaker 2:Jordan Poole is exactly what he would be.
Speaker 1:Alright, sorry.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's a little mean, at least because Jordan Love has done some big things.
Speaker 1:So did Jordan Poole.
Speaker 2:Jordan.
Speaker 1:Poole was almost finals MVP.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong, he does have a ring.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. He did also make $134 million.
Speaker 2:He tricked the Warriors into paying him.
Speaker 1:He didn't, though. I think he was that good on the Warriors because the Warriors ran a scheme that fit for him and he got traded to the Wizards. Now everybody's like, oh, he's not good. I'm like no, he can play. It's just you got to be okay with him taking big shots.
Speaker 2:He doesn't play winning basketball.
Speaker 1:No, he does. It's just they're not running the James Harden system of let him throw up the ball 50 times, so they're trying to limit him to like 25, and out of 25, he's only making 10. And they're not good shots.
Speaker 2:This next pick does kind of hurt, but I can be happy for him. Minnesota Vikings 24. Travion Henderson running back Ohio State. That makes sense Him in this offense would be freaking elite.
Speaker 1:Awesome, he does everything right, this is a very deep running back class.
Speaker 2:Very deep Again. I'm like I would love to take a running back in the first round, but there's just so many. Go pick something else that you could possibly get and pick somebody else up later. It doesn't make sense. You don't need to Off a tackle.
Speaker 1:Ohio State Great pick 10 out of 10. Great because oh, I would have also liked Jack Sawyer. That's a good pick for the Bengals too. First round pick. He could be a first round pick.
Speaker 2:Jack's probably going to be a second round pick. I'm okay with that. Let him fall down in the second round. Josh Simmons great pick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have three second round picks.
Speaker 2:Do you really Dang Dang? He got hurt in the middle of the season so potentially he'll be able to come back and be ready for trading camp. But for the Texans they can put him at right tackle, put him at guard until you have because they do still have what's his. Laramie Tunsell at left tackle. He's still very good. He has two more years left in his contract, but you have a guy in waiting, ready for him to go as soon as you're done with larry tunsell. But he is a very, very good pick. Um. Next one here. I accidentally pressed the back button on my phone so I have to click back into the draft here. There we go. Um, good pick. Honestly, that would have been a good pick for the for the bangles to take, because he'd be a guy waiting and you can throw him in at guard until you end up needing him at tackle. But you know it's fine. Um. Next pick LA Rams. Josh Connerly often tackle Oregon. Good pick. Their offensive line was kind of struggling at the end of last year. Getting a guy like this will definitely be a big help. Um, maybe he might go into guard. I'm not sure if he necessarily a tackle as of right now, but with that being the case, it's not not a good, not not a bad pick. He has a physical tools he can do it. He can play tackle, but I think he a guard. You can probably start him out to begin with until he's ready.
Speaker 2:Um 27 baltimore raven is azaria thomas cornerback, florida state. The guy that they said the steelers might want to pick up later, earlier on the draft if they have an opportunity. They don't want to go running back um. They're saying he's kind of like Nate Wiggins from last year's draft, which is the guy that the Ravens picked last year. So you know he'd be a good cornerback pick. The Ravens struggled against a lot of wide receivers last year. They were one of the worst secondaries in the NFL last year. So getting a guy like this to be on the other side of Nate Wiggins would definitely be a good pick for the Ravens. 28,. Detroit Lions, shamar Stewart Edge, texas A&M. Very good pick. They're going to have what's-his-face coming off of injury. The defensive end from Michigan I forget his name, aiden.
Speaker 1:Hutchinson.
Speaker 2:Aiden Hutchinson Coming off of injury, have a guy on the other side of him, A young guy of Texas A&M. He is a very talented 6'5" 281. He's a physical freak. Having him on the other side of him would be great and honestly, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I think they need corner more than they need defensive end. Why do the Browns have 11 picks? I don't know, when do they gain 11 picks?
Speaker 2:Who do they trade? Who do they trade to get that many picks? That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but they have one, two, three, four, five. They have five picks in the sixth round. Oh, but that's all compensatory stuff though. Whatever you want to say there's a bunch of fucking players that come out of that round and somehow they're the best in the world. Six is crazy, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a lot. 29, Washington Commanders Matthew Golden, texas.
Speaker 1:One more question why did San Fran and Atlanta forfeit their fifth-round picks?
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe they did something.
Speaker 1:Like straight forfeit. I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's weird.
Speaker 1:And then the Jets forfeit their third-round pick.
Speaker 2:Fourth-round pick is much more valuable. I don't know why, I have no idea. Watch commanders Matthew Golden, texas wide receiver. He's good last year for Texas. Having a guy like that on the other side of Scary Terry would definitely be a good help for them. Their offense is already very good but having a guy like this that they can kind of add. It's not like they really have a corner that you definitely can go with here because they're washed and their secondary is kind of bad. But if you have a guy add a guy like this to go on the other side of scary tier, definitely be a good pick.
Speaker 2:Pick 30 buffalo bills derrick harman uh. Defensive lineman oregon definitely be help for them. They could not play well against the run last year. This will definitely be a huge guy. Definitely be a huge pick for them. Um in this draft um. Their defense has always played well, even without less. With less uh talent on that side of the ball, they still managed to have moments where they were playing very good ball. But being able to stop the run would definitely be a big help for them and a guy like this would definitely help um. Pick 31, kansas City Chiefs Donovan Jackson, offensive lineman.
Speaker 2:Ohio State. I think, as we all saw in the Super Bowl, their offensive line was a problem. Donovan Jackson can play guard. He can play tackle he's probably a more natural guard but heck, he got kicked out to tackle last year for Ohio State during the playoff run and he was an absolute monster and didn't let any sacks up during the playoff run. And he was an absolute monster and didn't let barely let any sacks up during the playoff run. So having a guy like that they can throw in on their offensive line would definitely be a huge help. Again, I would hate to have to hate Donovan Jacks because he ends up going to the enemy, but he's a very good player. He deserves to be a first round pick. That makes it three Ohio State players in the first round Definitely be huge for them, but it'll be a good pick for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2:And then, last but not least, philadelphia Eagles. Tj Sanders, interior defensive lineman, south Carolina. Imagine the freaking Eagles with as many defensive linemen that they have. They go interior defensive line again. The rich get richer. It's not like they have a bunch of needs on this team.
Speaker 2:So I guess, as the Eagles coming off your Super Bowl, you can kind of coming off your Super Bowl. You just go with best player available and from what I hear about this guy, tj Sanders from South Carolina, he's an absolute freak, and adding a guy like that to defensive line is definitely not a bad thing, especially when you're probably going to have teams coming after some of the guys that are already on your roster be trying to get paid. The fact you got another guy like that just to add to the rotation and keep your defensive line being one of the best in the league would definitely be a big help for the Eagles. So that's it for the first round mock from Todd McShay. All credit to him. I did pay the money for it, so hopefully we don't get sued or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Am I tweaking or some shit? I have looked at six mock drafts. So far, everyone has the Cowboys taking Ashton Gentry at 12. It's so easy, hold on. I just did the PFF mock draft simulator. Yeah, guess who the fuck was picked at 12? Ashton Gentry, is it like? Like I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Is it like an illness? The Cowboys love their star players, man. They just love it, and they have no, no good running backs at all. It just seems like an easy pick and genti is worth a top 10 pick. He is I. I look, I agree he probably should have won the heisman.
Speaker 1:But you guys can't stop the run.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, they definitely line is terrible and running back is so deep. You can go in later rounds, but you're going to have Jerry Jones with his hand on the phone. He's going to have to put the name on the card to pick and guess what? He's going to want to start player. Because guess what matters to Jerry Jones more than anything? Cowboy fans don't want to hear this. He cares about selling tickets and Ashton Denty is an absolute bowling ball with chainsaws surrounding him. He's a monster, monster.
Speaker 2:But it's just like you said, the more responsible pick will probably defensive line, but jerry jones gonna have too much power at the end of the day and he's gonna want to go ash and genti and I honestly this that might be the lock of the draft, because I don't know if the cowboy's gonna be able to not take him. Jerry jones, have a hard-on for ash and genti. As soon as he has that opportunity, he's like Ashton Denty oh, that's going to be it, that's going to be what he's going to want to do. So that's why everything is kind of going that way, because it just kind of fits too perfectly. And sometimes you just have to listen to it and don't just think it's a conspiracy. I think it's just, you know, cowboys love their, their star players and it just kind of fits and uh, and it's something you can possibly halfway talk yourself into needing. But you're right, the defensive line is what they need. They need interior defensive line to stop the run, because they, that's what they just cannot do. But it's just, it's the cowboys, they don't care about winning, they care about selling tickets and having the most talked about team, not necessarily about winning. It is that's what it is what it is, man. But with that being the case, there's 63 days until the draft. There'll be more mock drafts to talk about. We'll actually we'll probably end up doing our own mock draft at some point. So, um, starting with this exercise right before the combine is definitely a big deal. We had fun doing it and, uh, there'll be plenty of stuff to talk about in the nfl as we along Free agency draft all of that. So there will be plenty more to come here in the next two months before the draft comes. With that, it's time to end the podcast.
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