JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Mavs a Disaster, NFL Pre-Free Agency Madness
The latest podcast episode unpacks the ongoing NBA season's drama, focusing particularly on the impact of injuries to key players like Kyrie Irving, and the subsequent fallout for teams like the Dallas Mavericks. As playoff hopes dwindle, we analyze how the betting culture intertwines with real-time occurrences on the court, and how this reality checks fans and gamblers alike.
We also tackle the broader narrative around negativity in the NBA, as players express their frustration with the media’s critical lens compared to previous eras. Are fans and media too harsh in their assessments? This discourse offers a fresh perspective on motivational factors in the sports world.
With an eye on the future, we review highlights from the NFL Combine, examining promising prospects and potential draft strategies that teams might employ as they navigate a deep talent pool. And with free agency beginning soon we explore the whirlwind of moves NFL teams are making to set themselves up before it starts and how the moves will ultimately impact next season.
Join the conversation as we look into how these events shape the landscape of professional sports and what we can expect moving forward. Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share our podcast with fellow sports enthusiasts!
welcome back to this podcast. Today is wednesday, march the 5th. We're back for the podcast we're back.
Speaker 2:It's march. Uh, we're, we're in. Honestly, even though there's not a lot of things happening on a field slash court, well, there's things happening on courts right now. I've watched, I'm watching. I actually watched a basketball last night Cause I bet on LeBron and Luca.
Speaker 2:I had LeBron to get more than three, more than three, three pointers, luca to get eight plus rebounds, zion to get eight plus rebounds. And then I bet on the other white guy who's the other white guy on the Lakers, austin Reeves, to get eight plus rebounds. And then I bet on the other white guy who's the other white guy on the lakers, austin reeves. Austin reeves, I bet on him to get three plus threes. He didn't play, so my bet got reduced, but I was still watching him sitting there like how does zion williamson go through a basketball game because he's healthy, right? I was seeing him. He yammed on somebody last night. I think it was jackson hayes. He yammed on somebody last night, full extension. I'm like this dude's a monster. Which is what? Obviously what the pelicans are looking for, which is why they haven't got rid of him yet, even through all the weight issues, apparently, as of recently. If you've watched any type of stuff, that's like the. The newest thing is that, like he's got his weight down apparently he's got his weight down lower than it's been since he's been in the NBA. All good, but I was watching.
Speaker 2:It Didn't win my bet, it was a whole thing. I watched the Phoenix game last night. Phoenix at one point they were playing the Clippers. Last night they were down in the third quarter by 20 points. It was like 64 to 84. And Phoenix manages to come back and win the basketball game and it was a crazy little turnout there. But basketball was just on my mind there. But I lost my bet and all that. I still have a little bit of money. I'm probably going to bet on some more basketball in the next couple days, but there has been one big basketball thing, well, two. First, kyrie tore his ACL a couple days ago first Kyrie got.
Speaker 2:He tore his ACL a couple days ago. Yeah, this is going to be another reason that the Dallas fans are. They've already been ready to riot ever since they traded Luka Doncic, which is great, fine, you. You trade Luka for AD and other in other things fine, cool. But now AD plays one game and gets hurt.
Speaker 2:And then now, especially after the Kyrie news, there's talks that AD may shut it down for the season and just be done for the year. Because obviously, without Kyrie, what are you guys doing for the rest of the year You're not going to go win anything, especially when the reason that they made the trade, sending Luka away was like, hey, this gives us a two to three year window to try to win a championship now, but now, with Kyrie getting hurt, the rest of this year is over. Most half of at least half of next year is over. Kyrie won't be able to play. It's gonna be probably a year before you probably get back, even with moderate advancements in medicine, like you could. Like you're talking six, seven, eight months of him to even get back and then you have to worry about him getting back into being a pro basketball player again. That takes time, right. So now I think the next two years are pretty much done for and you still have AD, who's not the most healthiest of players out there, and this is going to be the latest reason for mass brands.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know what's funny? Before the game happened that Kyrie got hurt in, they raised ticket prices. Why, again, they didn't know that Kyrie was going to get hurt that night. Yeah, but what do you have for me to come to the game anyway? Apparently they were thinking it was a good time because, like, hey, we're trying to go ahead and try to win a championship. Maybe they're just trying to go ahead and try to win a championship, maybe they're just trying to get ahead of whatever they think was going to come. But it's not coming Like it's a whole. This whole thing has been an absolute disaster.
Speaker 2:I honestly, like somebody said this I was listening to is that if Luka, like if Luka found a voodoo doll, the Dallas Mavericks somewhere and just started poking, going crazy, because ever since they traded him away, everything has gone wrong, everything. There has not been one good thing to happen on that Mavs team. They were clearly in the playoffs. They were like a fifth seed when they first got AD. Now they're going to be taking a nice little tumble down. Ad's probably not going to play the rest of the season.
Speaker 2:Kyrie's done for at least the next two years and whatever window you guys thought you had with these two players again the Dallas Mavericks team, with the team they had kind of assembled without Luka, is more interesting. Obviously you gave up the best player on your team. But I can get behind. Maybe I can get behind the idea that maybe for the next two to three years they had a bit better chance to win the finals now than when they did with Luka, with Luka and Kyrie as the pairing for your team. But that's over. That's donezo. There's no chance of that.
Speaker 2:So I think this whole thing is almost dead on arrival and now all Dallas fans have left of this whole thing. What's left for them is their old Luka jerseys that they can't wear anymore because he's with the Lakers. Not to mention the fact Luka, last night he hit three three-pointers in a row. He had like 30-something points last night. He's starting to come around and starting to get healthier and get more into basketball shape. So he's only getting better and better and he's unlocking LeBron and LeBron's like turning the clock back. He's averaging 27 points and he's age 40. And again and also, lebron scored his 50,000th point last night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did. That was really cool to see.
Speaker 2:Which is awesome, right, and then it starts going into the first thing. Part of the conversation is is this the thing that gets LeBron over Jordan? And I'm sitting here like I don't. This is where and this is my main thing that I wanted to talk about. Are the media and fans overly negative about the NBA? Because that's what the players are painting a picture, right? What players are saying is wrong with the game is that the media that follows the, that that reports on them, and then the fans that follow that, follow the players and the games are too negative and that they're making a case that the 80s and 90s they were, they were. It's all positivity with them. Nobody talks about the negative of the Jordan. Nobody talked about the negative of those of those old times. But now what's happening now is that what everybody talks about with players that are playing now is just negative talk.
Speaker 2:Getting to the point where we talked about last week on how Anthony Edwards didn't want to be the face of the league. He just wants to play basketball and go home. Lebron has made a statement since we podcasted pretty much saying, hey, why would you? It is coming from. Lebron has made a statement since we podcasted pretty much saying hey, why would you? It is coming from LeBron. That's been the face of the league for a good portion of the last at least over 10 years. Pretty much it was him and Kobe at one point. Then it became him. Then him and Steph LeBron said why would somebody want to become the face of the league if you're just going to get shitted on all the time by fans and media?
Speaker 2:And I'm like that may be a little bit of an oversimplification of the whole thing. Because, again, when you've become the face of the league and all that, what comes with it is the pluses of being the face A lot more endorsements, more money coming your way, the power to be able to have your voice heard on a plethora of issues, not only with your team but with the NBA at large there, plethora of issues not only with your team but with the NBA at large. There's a lot of plus that come with it. Obviously, that comes with minuses as well, just like at all points. Right, you get the spotlights on you and you have you have to kind of move differently because everything you looked at is under a microscope, which that part's fine.
Speaker 2:But now this started this has sparked this whole debate that the NBA is every, everybody's negative about LeBron, to the point where they're like, hey, when you talk about your top five, when everybody says LeBron is two, they don't say anything negative about Jordan. But when they say LeBron, lebron's not only number two because of the negative things he's done, it's only we should only be positive about everybody. I don't know, do I think the negative gets magnified?
Speaker 1:Yes, I do. I think the negativity in the NBA is always kind of butting around. Maybe it's because of the 90s and 80s, your superstars stayed on your team forever. They retired with your team, they played with your team, they retired with your team or did very little moving, very little moving at all. Very little moving Unless the team did it yes, or did very little moving Very little moving?
Speaker 2:Yeah, very little moving. Like A player may move Unless the team did it.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then it like A player may move once or twice, and then that's it.
Speaker 2:For his career yeah.
Speaker 1:Nowadays, kd's been in what Four different?
Speaker 2:jerseys Five Okay, see Golden State, brooklyn, brooklyn, and now the.
Speaker 1:Nets Four, four jerseys. Superstars back in the 90s did not do that.
Speaker 2:Right, lebron's been in three different jerseys.
Speaker 1:Technically, if you count Cleveland one, two, three, four.
Speaker 2:Wait, he was in Cleveland twice.
Speaker 1:Still four different jerseys. Okay, four different jerseys, four different trades, right.
Speaker 2:Or four different signings he's never done trades Right or four different signings.
Speaker 1:He's never done trades Always been him with the free agency. Nothing about Golden State. There's never anything negative about Golden.
Speaker 2:State. The fans still love him.
Speaker 1:They're always still there, but all your superstars are still here. Everybody was sad when Klay left, yeah, but you know it happens, right.
Speaker 2:But your superstars are still here. It was an understandable moment.
Speaker 1:Yes, your superstar is here. Nothing's ever negative from Golden State, golden State sucks.
Speaker 2:They're not right now, not with Jimmy.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. They're okay. But even without Jimmy they were happy.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Bulls are always fucking negative. I've never met a happy Bulls fan in the last ever Probably the last 15 years. Bulls fans are negative as fuck. You know why. There's nothing to be happy about. We have no superstars to be happy about. There's no superstars here. So it's I think it's different when you have a perennial superstar who's always going to play with your team, like it's, like Denver's not negative.
Speaker 2:It's negative. People talk about how Denver isn't what they used to be.
Speaker 1:I know but again, it is a different connotation when you're talking about outside of how people feel about the team.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I think when you talk about the Mavs fans, there probably is no Mavs fans.
Speaker 2:There's nothing to be positive about. No, there's no Mavs fans.
Speaker 1:There's Mavs haters. Mavs did it to themselves. There Mavs haters, mavs did it to themselves. You probably don't want me to upset Nuggets fan. No, I think we have a good team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the players want to be praised more. That's the thing that the players want to keep saying they don't get enough praise For what we do on the court. We don't get enough praise. I think there's a lot of things to that right. I think when you're on social media and what you indulge in social media, what gets more traction more often than not on social media, it's negativity.
Speaker 2:People, organisms, are negative by nature because that's the thing that drives us. We don't think about all. Like one of the main driving forces that drives us throughout our lives is the fact we're going to die, one of the most negative thoughts you could possibly have throughout your life. That's the most negative and that's the thing that like in the deep parts of everybody's brain. That is an overwhelming thought in people's lives and that kind of goes to everything else. Negativity does drive what people want to talk about when people make jokes and I'm not saying people are looking for like the bad things on tv all the time, but what I'm saying is is that like that's something that people react to more often than the good things but I also think is that the players are indoctrinating themselves in that negativity by being on social media, because obviously every player a lot of players wants to know what's being talked about with them and negativity is going to spread like wildfire on social media. This is how it goes. But I also think players have to take some responsibility for how things have gone too, when they set the expectation that like hey, if I don't want to, I don't have to. Like, a lot of players look at it as I think the mentality changed and again I'm not sure whether this is a positive or negative thing. It went from players in the 80s and 90s feeling it was a privilege to play in the NBA, to get paid to play the game that you love. I think the overwhelming expectation like not the thought process of a player now is that fans should feel lucky to be able to see what we put on the floor. They should be lucky to see our greatness.
Speaker 2:I think it's a two-way street, but when these players decide to start taking that mentality and they start oh, we're going to start resting ourselves Again. This started with the Spurs a long time ago, where they would just rest their whole starting lineup without telling anybody. This happened 10 over 10 years ago, when Popovich was doing that with the Duncan and all their older guys but, like players, started taking out of their own hands Kawhi, like, oh, I'm trying to preserve myself for the playoffs and again, that's for again. That partially is the fans fault because we put so much emphasis on rings. So what does a regular season matter? But just the idea that a family can get their kids their kids are so excited to go see LeBron James play or Kawhi Leonard or just any number of players. You try to go to a game and watch them play. You have the jerseys, you have the ticket, and then you don't hear that your favorite player is not going to be playing in the game until right at game time. Because players are put are putting themselves ahead of what everything else. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I think there is. That is something that has to be addressed, not not addressed, but you have to accountability for that too.
Speaker 2:Like all of this stuff comes in together, I I think it's everybody's fault, but I think players like to make it seem as if it's only on the media that follows them, or and it's or the fans that follow it. I think the players have fed into it as well and I think also to a suit. Another degree is that when they compare it to the nineties and the eighties, about how people fought, like when they, when news would come up the NBA around those times it was always positive, it was always grandizing, everything going on. It wasn't a lot of negative stuff Because, you know why, the players and the teams had a lot more control as to what got out. When MJ put out the Last Dance on Netflix, a lot of that stuff was crazy because nobody had seen that type of footage before. So with that being the case, there was a lot more control. So if somebody put out something you didn't like, guess what? You get to tell that media reporter, you don't get to have access and we're not going to give that. They had a lot more control as to what got out, but nowadays it's not the same. So I just think there's a lot of things have gone into all this thing.
Speaker 2:I just think that players just generally saying that everybody is nagging about the nba and there's no positive, I think it's just to over. Is this to over like just painting with a broad brush when they don't need to? And I think if they had a different mindset about it, maybe they would change the way. I thought they not thought of it. But I don't know, man, it's just. I just think when, like when LeBron is sitting there like putting, like backing the whole idea that Anthony Edwards shouldn't want to be the face of the league, it does kind of take a little bit of air out of the sails, like like LeBron.
Speaker 2:Lebron said he in that statement he made about Anthony Edwards, he's like I didn't ask for this. And when LeBron says I didn't ask for this, I'm like but he bought, he bought into it, though he has a tattoo on his chest saying the chosen one, like what person like goes behind that mantra being the chosen one? And I'm like, if you don't kind of believe the idea that you were meant for that spot and that's what you wanted. And again, obviously, with technology and all that and social media becoming such a big thing, obviously there's like some of that stuff is unforeseen. But, like lebron wanted that spotlight. That's what he wanted when he was young, when he thought I'm gonna be one of the best to ever do it. This that's what he wanted. He wanted to be the face of the league and he got it.
Speaker 2:And maybe there's some bad parts to it too. But I just think, putting it painting with a broad brush, just saying it's all negative and nothing's positive, just like I think it's just it's just painting with too broad of a brush and I think it's not very nuanced in a way that I think this is very, a very nuanced discussion about this whole thing. And heck, when you compare it to like the nba, like the nfl, that, like in baseball, like I think with the NFL, there's definitely negativity going on and, like the NFL, nfl kind of dominates things as they go. But I don't think that like the NFL. I think it's because maybe fans are too attached to the player specifically. Like when people talk about the NFL they talk about the fans are more attached to the player specifically. Like when people talk about the NFL they talk about the fans are more attached to the uniforms than they are to the actual players playing on the field. And I think that applies.
Speaker 2:I think there was a little bit of a barrier around that Maybe players want to be known more for what they do rather than just the team. But I think that does give them a little bit of a sanctuary to be able to say, hey, I just play for this team and when fans are mad, they're mad at the team more they are mad at the players. Again, there's some exceptions quarterbacks, wide receivers, like some of the more deeper positions but like, like, the fact they don't see your face a lot maybe hints at the fact as to why they're not so attached to all these players. Going on like pete, like people are attached to players in the NBA like most a lot of people out there are more attached to act, to write just players rather than teams themselves. I just think there's a different connection and I think with that comes with a whole different set of circumstances that maybe players do or don't like.
Speaker 2:But just the way I see it, I just feel like there's just a lot of things going on in this to where I just hate to see the conversation just go. Oh, everybody's just too negative when I'm like, everybody has a right to be negative. There's some negativity, obviously, but like, maybe are there people that go too far and only see the negative, not the positive. For sure there's people like that everywhere, about every subject, about every part of life, everywhere, about every subject, about every part of life. But the way I see it of just like everybody's focused on the wrong, like what they want to be focused on, and guess what? They're focused on, the negative stuff, because that's what drives them too. So I don't know, I just think in comparison to the sports, I think it's just a little bit different. I think I don't know, maybe it was too deep of a conversation to go into today or like, maybe I haven't really formed all my thoughts on it, but it's just, it's such a big part of the conversation right now, especially in the NBA that is, I felt, come, I just felt like I wanted to talk about a little bit here, even if Jace kind of gets, uh, gets tired of it and just doesn't really want to be a part of it, no more, which I totally understand. But but yeah, it's just with that. I just wanted to kind of have that little conversation there. But you know, let's get on some other to some other things, let's get on some other things going on.
Speaker 2:So nfl combine did happen last week from thursday through sunday. Thursday was the offensive line, I think was offensive linemen on Thursday, friday was we're talking tight ends and defensive linemen. Saturday, quarterbacks, wide receivers and I think running backs no, running back was Friday. Saturday was quarterbacks and wide receivers. And then Sunday was offensive linemen, thursday was defensive linemen like the defensive tackles Got it. That's what it was. Sunday was offensive linemen, thursday was defensive linemen like the defensive tackles Got it. That's what it was. The actual schedule aside, the combine happened. A lot of things came out of the combine that I wanted to. Not really a lot, but I just wanted to talk about a few things.
Speaker 2:Just things coming out of the combine. That kind of struck my eye. One the running backs are very good this year coming out of the combine, that kind of struck my eye. One the running backs are very good this year coming out of college football, when they did the 40 times for all the running backs, I think the average 40 time was like a 4-4-8, so like it was a. It was a very big. Uh, the running back showed out for sure and I think everybody kind of got involved. Not every player did absolutely everything. Some did the testing, some of them did the actual drills themselves, but it was a show. All the running backs did very well out there and showed why this might be one of the deepest running back classes and, honestly, in a very long time. When you compare it to 2017, some of the great running backs came out that year. This is very close to that.
Speaker 2:We're going to have a lot of guys coming out and doing a lot of big things. There's probably going to be at least two first-round running backs in Amorian Hampton, and why am I forgetting the other running back? Oh no, ashton Genting is the other one. Those two are pretty much locks to go in the first round. But then you're talking about um, obviously I love my buck guys travion henderson potentially being a first round pick. We're talking like was there another one? I was thinking about being a first round guy, not first round, but like travion might be the other first round back. That may happen in the first round, but there's just so many guys quinshawn had like had a great workout, like there's a lot of crazy good running backs coming out, like this guy tootin um bait I think it's basial tootin, basial, basial, whatever running back. Virginia tech he ran a 4-3-2-40 and this guy was like a freaking monster and he's not me not get picked into like the third round. 5-9-2-0-6, like a little bit of that there, but yeah, so like there was just a lot of a lot of great running backs that showed out that day and just really showed why this is a very deep running back class.
Speaker 2:Quarterbacks. Gotta get to this. I watched all the quarterbacks throw that day on Saturday. Kind of I stayed and just stayed on my phone Just watch it as I was doing their stuff. Um, so the top two guys didn't throw cam ward and Shador Sanders didn't throw whatsoever. They did all the testing stuff. When it came to the measurements that they did. They did the interviews I'll get to the interview for Shador in here in a minute but they but everybody else kind of did their thing, went out there through.
Speaker 2:Um, I did want to get to Will Howard real quick because Will Howard was kind of like the guy that was made fun of after the draft. Pretty. He had some pretty bad throws. Like there were some ones that kind of they were head scratching right.
Speaker 2:But when people came up and asked me when I was talking to other people that I talked to when it comes to NFL and just talking sports and stuff, like how did you feel about it? And I'm like it got very negative about him, about Will Howard. But I'm like, yes, amongst all the throws, was it like five or six that looked really bad? Yeah for sure. But I also think you're throwing to wide receivers you haven't thrown to before. Some of the drills weren't necessarily like that straightforward as to what they were supposed to do, where they were supposed to throw it, so that also didn't help. But like, at the end of the day, go look at the tape, go look at what he did when he was on the team, like when I saw Will Howard go out there and play with guys that he's been playing with all year. Go play in that playoff. He showed a lot more tight window throws and making big throws when he had to in that playoff run against very good defenses, than he was ever going to show in that combine.
Speaker 2:And I think it goes for other quarterbacks too. Quinn Ewers actually threw pretty well, but you had other like Dylan Gabriel, the quarterback from Oregon. He's small, they say he's like 5'10", 5, 11. He's, he's like 190 and then he has a great arm but he's just not big enough and he's not very all that athletic. But like the quarterbacks that went out there, they, they went out there. Uh, tyler shuck, shoe, shut, it was shuck the guy from uh. I think he went to louisville. He might be a big draft riser. When it comes to the draft, jackson Dart, jackson Dart also they're saying he might be a first-round pick.
Speaker 1:He was doing well he was.
Speaker 2:People keep trying to put him to the Steelers and I'm like it's annoying the crap out of me because I just want them to keep Justin Fields. Maybe take a quarterback later on in the draft. Why use a first round pick on a guy like that when you have so many other needs on your team? It just doesn't make sense. If he's not potentially going to change, if he's not going to come in and be the starter right away, don't take a guy like that in the first round. Doesn't make sense. But you know I'm not going to get on my soapbox on that one.
Speaker 2:But like the quarterback, I think it's just. It shows the good and the bad when everybody's talking about how, oh they wish Shador and Cam Ward would throw, but they don't. But then, with the guys that do throw, they make some mistakes and then everybody starts shitting on them. It's like it's a double-edged sword. You do you like? You win if you do, you lose if you don't. No, sorry, nope, that's not. That's not the saying. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's the saying I was looking for. So, like, I think, the will howard situation, people started making fun of him all over twitter, saying how bad he is and I'm sitting there like all this shit he's doing right now on this field, doesn't? It doesn't matter as much the tape he put out there when he was out there blowing up defenses in the college football playoff against really good defenses that everybody respects in college football, like that matters a lot more than what this combine is going to be throwing the guys he's never thrown to before. So like I just think it's a damn if you do, damn you don't. Like I already said, I just feel like it will make more players not want to throw out the combine and then more people will be mad in the future. But I'm like it's what you asked for. If you're, if you're gonna let, if you have to give these guys grace to go ahead and make some mistakes when they're in a situation that's not necessarily meant for them to excel, unless you are a cj stroud who has just a freaking piss missile of an arm. He's perfect accuracy wherever, whatever he does. Like only guys like that are going to be able to go out there and just show what they're supposed to do and not lose. But again, there's a lot more guys not like cj stroud and there are guys like him. So I don't know. It's just one of those things where it's just you know, I think it just came to this conclusion that like, if you're going to go out, if you're going to go out there and be competitive and take that chance, but then you're going to make some mistakes and people are just going to shit on you all the way forward, like why, why throw? Why, why does it make sense to go out there and compete and try to do that? Like, got to pick one. You can't have it both ways, can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2:Wide receivers, the wide receivers. There are not a lot of great wide receivers this year. Great, I'm talking like, like, a lot like lock it up. They might need pro bowlers types, right, at least not coming out. But I think there are a couple guys at the top that are probably going to be first-round picks. Ted Arroyo McMillan is the guy, the big guy with the physical tools. That may not be like he's explosive, but he may not be the most polished of receivers Played at Arizona, I think at Arizona, right, yeah, arizona, mcmillan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, arizona.
Speaker 2:McMillan. Yeah, you have Emeka Igbuka from Ohio State, obviously, and then you have Matthew Golden, the wide receiver, from Texas. All three of those guys are kind of looked at as going to be potentially the first-round guys. If any of them go at all, I think you're getting.
Speaker 1:Igbuka run the 40. No, he didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:He didn't do anything at the combine.
Speaker 1:I saw that.
Speaker 2:Because all I get for a while with the Buckeyes, they just stop playing.
Speaker 1:I know, but it really hurts. It really hurts him.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's going to do it at his own pro day, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again it still hurts For quarterbacks. If you're a projected high quarterback I wouldn't throw to random at the combine. Jalen Milrow, it hurt him a lot Now. He had two bad throws.
Speaker 2:He was better than what he was in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1:Agreed. Now he had two really bad throws but they were just inaccurate. But they did drop a lot for him Will.
Speaker 2:Howard didn't have a good pro day, but again you go watch him on tape at Ohio State. He looks good, it's great and he's making short window throws. It's not all about him throwing into five-star receivers.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but I don't know the common. The flashy guys are the really good. The quarterbacks, the receivers, they were all boring. There were a few good guys, I know, but I was more interested in, like, the DNs. The flashy picks aren't here. You're right, there's a lot of good defensive players and there's a lot of good O-linemen and there's any running back. You can pick anyone. You can have anyone you want. Yeah, those are the more interesting ones. Yeah, the flashy pictures isn't here. I don't, Cam.
Speaker 2:Ward might be the Cam Ward and Abdul Carter might be the two Agreed. But even Abdul Carter has the freaking Bone, like a bone, like a stress factor in his foot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So like he's gonna have to get Probably get surgery potentially. So like that has it's own little issues there and Cam Ward is probably the only quarterback that really projects to be like Potentially a really good quarterback in the NFL. Yes, because of the tools he has, because of what he can do throwing the football. Like when I watch the, I can get why Shador didn't throw because there's nothing for him to gain, because if he threw there was no way Cam Ward wasn't going to throw. And Cam Ward throws piss muscles. Because they have the videos of both of them throwing, because they're playing with the same they're doing, they're training with the same quarterback coach. Like you see them throwing back-to-back and I'm like the ball just comes off of Cam Ward's hand different, different.
Speaker 1:So Jackson Dart threw 50s, eight miles an hour. I truly think Cam Ward would have easily topped that. Yeah yeah, yes, now it could be because Cam Ward's huge yes. He's a very big dude, he's like 6'2" 220. He's a big guy what That'd make Cam Ward smaller than me, Uh yeah, hold on, we don't have to have the Participants.
Speaker 2:Haha, qb, he really is. Yeah 6'2" 220.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had it right. He's smaller than I am.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Again, it looks different when you have all the pads on, but you know, when he's out there on the field it makes a big difference.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there's a couple other guys that didn't run. Ashton Gentry didn't run the 40.
Speaker 2:Ashton Gentry didn't do anything, but again he showed enough. On tape it doesn't Agreed, but Scadaboo did everything. Scadaboo did.
Speaker 1:No, scadaboo didn't either. He didn't do everything, yes, but he did everything else. Scadaboo also had a 39-inch vertical.
Speaker 2:He didn't run, though, Because they said he had like a I think it was a hamstring injury or something like that, or that.
Speaker 1:Nick is not as fast as the other running back there. Oh Scadaboo isn't, neither is.
Speaker 2:Jenty. Jenty would run in the 4-4s. No doubt He'd probably run a 4. Running backs were averaging a 4-3. 4-3-8, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you slow? He's nowhere near it. I truly don't think Jenty was probably bottom tier of speed when it came to all the other running backs.
Speaker 2:I've watched him play. There's no way he's not running in the 4-4 tops. He has everything you want in a running back.
Speaker 1:He really does, except the top end speed but again the question is is that what?
Speaker 2:what do I want to draft genti in the top 15 if I can get no mario hampton later on in the first round, or if I can get one of these other great running backs in the second, third and fourth round, because there's so many good ones? So I get the idea, gent, he's probably gonna end up running his 40, probably at his own pro day. But, like I, I do get what you're saying is that when you don't do things, it gives people a chance to question is he that guy right? Like, is he? Is he gonna have all the measurables that make me not question him, because sometimes I think sometimes he'll be on a mission.
Speaker 1:Is Gentry faster than Travion Henderson? Probably not. No, Travion Henderson ran a 4-3.
Speaker 2:He ran a 4-3-2,.
Speaker 1:I believe he ran Okay so he's not, probably not that fast. He's been quenched on Jutkins.
Speaker 2:Probably Jutkins ran a 4-3-8, right probably.
Speaker 1:Judkins ran a 4-3-8, right. Judkins ran a 4-4-8.
Speaker 2:Travion ran a 4-4-3. Okay, 4-4-3, 4-4-8. Sorry my bad, but yeah, 4-4-8. But Judkins, though, he did all that at 2-20. At 6-1, 2-20, he had like an 11-inch broad jump which, like the highest of all the running backs, like he had a crazy. He may not be as explosive as some of the other running backs in the draft but like at his size people were talking about how, how good he did at the combine all together.
Speaker 1:Judkins had an 11-inch broad jump. Yeah, I don't know how to say his name. Be bashal tootin. Yeah, tootin, real quick his combine he was.
Speaker 2:He had an insane combine. He was. I was talking about him earlier. He was very, very quick, very fast, no question he ran almost the fastest for everything.
Speaker 1:Uh, he had a bad shuttle. Donovan Edwards did not have a good combine. Donovan Edwards has it.
Speaker 2:He had that one year where you thought he did rep out 23,.
Speaker 1:Though it doesn't matter for a running back, it's still impressive.
Speaker 2:Oh, it don't matter for a running back.
Speaker 1:Save one over their squad and 500.
Speaker 2:Stop lying to me. I thought you were talking about bench press.
Speaker 1:Well, he still repped out. 225 is a running back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're not wrong. But yeah, dylan Sampson, there are a lot of running backs that did also very good. The wide receivers you said there aren't necessarily a lot of great ones, there isn't. But I think I heard somebody say that there may be more pro, like in this type of draft where there's not a lot of flashy picks, just in general from all, from the whole draft. But somebody said that, like the there may there may be more pro bowlers in the second, third and fourth round than they are in the first round. And I'm like you know what. That may not be wrong, because there's gonna be so many players that probably have first round grades that just don't look all that flashy that you might want to pick. That may just end up being second and third round picks just because of what teams needs are and how things kind of kind of work out. But like even a guy, like people, start stop forgetting, start getting about emeka buka like he is gonna.
Speaker 2:He's, if he runs a is something lower than four, four, which I think he probably will, because I think he has more straight line speed than a guy like JSN who ran in the high 4'4". He was not a 4'5", he was running in the 4'4" he's faster. He doesn't have necessarily the short area quickness that JSN does, but as long as he runs in the 4'4" lower than 4'4" he's probably as long as he runs somewhere in the four fours he will be a first round pick. I hope the stealers take him. That's like my dream pick of all the guys. Maybe matthew golden too. But matthew golden ran a four three. So like he's his other worldly fast in comparison to the other wide receivers that are out coming out in this draft. But like there are a couple wide receivers from I iowa state that did very good there's, there is a safety. This might be the craziest person in this whole draft. Okay, nick emin, worry, he is 6, 3 220.
Speaker 1:Oh, I hate these stupid ads you know you can just turn your sound off for the laptop, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I was just trying to find it. Okay, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to be the smarter of the two.
Speaker 2:I understand. Let me get back to my point 6'3" 220. He was coming out looking like the second best safety in this draft, behind the guy from Georgia, I think, elijah Starks, I believe the guy that was playing for them. Very good safety, but he didn't necessarily have as great of a draft because of his size and because he ran like a 4.5, right. But this guy from South Carolina is insane 6'3", 220. He ran a 4.3840. Had a 43-inch vertical jump, an 11-foot, 6-inch broad jump At safety At 6'3, 3, 2, 20. That is a monster like. He's as big as the safety that went ended up going to out of from Notre Dame. That went to uh, um, kyle ended up going to the Ravens.
Speaker 1:Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 2:He's as big as that dude but he runs a 4-3-8. That's a monster. That's like an alien at the safety position. That is something that you can't just grow. That that's very rare at a guy from the safety position. And then this cornerback everybody talks about travis hunter great he's.
Speaker 2:He did very like he didn't do anything at the combine. He didn't have to. He's kind of already kind of locked in. But like this guy, maxwell harrison, he's around the same side as some other prototypical corners in this draft. He ran a 4-2-8 and he's kind of rocketing up into being potentially being a first round pick. That this uh, kentucky cornerback. So like, if you this, if you follow the combine and all, if you've got going into this draft and I don't want to say I want to go too much longer about this because I'm like just it doesn't really make any sense, but cause we still have like over a month until the draft there's just so many good picks as you can have in the first, like in the second, third, fourth round. I think a lot of teams, if you do this right, are going to be having a lot of good players in their team. They're going to be good starters, potentially impact starters potentially make pro bowlers if they do this right, because there's so many good players in this draft maybe not a lot of great players, so with that it's just a lot of, a lot of a lot of good players coming out and I'm just very excited about it.
Speaker 2:But one of the storylines coming out of this draft was about Shador Sanders. They said he went to two different teams and had conversations it's like a 15-minute interview you're supposed to have with teams that want to potentially draft you and they said that Shador Sanders was. They said that he didn't do anything disrespectful, but they said that he had an air about him that he didn't feel like he had to impress us, and that sparks a huge amount of backlash from people that are like Sanders backers and people that aren't. But I just kind of want to get your breed on this right. So when you're Sanders and you've made a bunch of money coming out of college already and you're coming into the NFL, he came in very confident. Every interview that I saw him in he was full of confidence. He was being his good old self. He's confident, almost seems arrogant, but it's just like from a place where he's been that dude already. Right, there's even a quote of him coming out like, hey, if you don't want me to change your culture, then don't draft me, which I'm like that may be a tad too far Because I'm like dude, everywhere you've been, you've had your father there and, as far as I know, deion ain't coming with you to the NFL. So was it really you that changed the culture? Or maybe your father has something to do with that as well. You know, being Deion Sanders and all maybe has an impact on that.
Speaker 2:But when I first heard about the thing about about Shador, it gave me pts. I had a ptsd moment because I'm like this is what stuff I was hearing about CJ Stroud coming out, where everybody was attacking his character, and I'm like I've been watching this dude for years. He's not like that. So I instantly turned it off. But when I really started hearing some of the things that were coming out, there was a point I feel like there is, I think, if you want to go too far, both directions. I think you're doing it the wrong way. If you're going so far as to say Shador Sanders is too full of himself and he shouldn't feel like he has all these options when he doesn't, that may be going too far, because I'm like this dude has been like that His father has already said multiple times we know where we want him to go. There's a good chance that the Sanders family knows where Shador is going to go already and then Shador is just not going to play the game of just trying to be nice to you if he knows you're not going to be able to draft him.
Speaker 2:But I also think if you are going the other way by saying that oh, you guys are scared of a black quarterback, a young black man, being confident, I'm sitting there like maybe you could go, maybe not go that far either, just being in the middle, maybe having questions, saying, oh, maybe because there's six quarterback needy teams in the top 10 picks, maybe you don't want to turn off any one of them because any one of them can come up and just say, hey, I don't screw how you feel I can just straight up here and come get you. If I really, if I really am in love with you that much, so like maybe you don't necessarily want to put out a vibe that you don't like us, or like maybe you're that you're too good for this team. So I don't know, it's just one of those things where I'm like it got very loud really fast coming out of the draft. But I think if anybody had the idea that maybe Shador didn't necessarily put his best foot forward in in trying to people, maybe that's the case. But I think you also have to give some teams some credit, like maybe they're allowed to have their opinion, that maybe he didn't feel like he wanted to impress us at all, like that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world. You don't necessarily have to take it from the fact that the man is trying to put a young black man down by not wanting him to be confident. I just think if you're going there's, if you're going too far either direction, I think it's just too much. Um, but yeah, just you know why. You like let their tape and let them talking to teams like speak for themselves. You don't necessarily have to make everything such a huge deal about everything.
Speaker 2:All right, so done with the draft. I mean done with not the draft, because there's still a whole month of that we're gonna be. There's going to be another mock draft next week that I want to react to. So that'll be fun when we do that, but for now let's go ahead and go on to plenty of other news in the NFL to talk about. This is news stories literally just starting from last week when the combine was happening, up until now. I just have this all written down. We're just going to run through things, talk about things. We want to go written down. We're just going to run through things, talk about things. We want to go. Um, jace, jump in whenever you want to.
Speaker 2:Matthew stafford this was during the draft last week during the combine. I keep saying the draft, the combine, matthew stafford, to stay with the rams. There has not been a deal revealed yet, like, so like. There was a whole thing with matthew stafford wanting more money. They people were saying that he wanted to be paid as much as 50 million dollars per year to kind of get over the DAC number, to kind of be one of the higher paid quarterbacks in the league. Obviously, him being as great as he's been over the last few years definitely makes sense. He would like to get paid more money because I think he didn't have any more guaranteed money left on his contract anyway. So the Rams gave him his opportunity to say, hey, go out there and find what you want If there's a team that's willing to pay you the money that you like, go ahead and we'll see if we can make out a deal.
Speaker 2:When it comes to a trade, Apparently two teams were answering. The Giants and the Raiders were the two teams that were the most active in trying to convince not only Matthew Stafford to potentially sign with them, but then trying to contact the Rams to go ahead and try to trade him for whatever price it is that they were going to be. Apparently, the Rams were potentially a second round pick was going to be what the Rams are going to be asking for for Matthew Stafford. So it does give me some type of belief that maybe the Rams were not, as their feelings were not as hurt by the idea of him leaving the team If it was going to be for too high of a high of a number, right when it comes to how much he wants to get paid. So all in all, that doesn't happen. Him going on the ski trip with with Tom Brady really didn't matter about the Raiders and with the Giants apparently being very desperate to try to get him on their squad, that didn't matter either.
Speaker 2:The everything's worked out as of right now. There hasn't been a deal, um, talked about, like I already said, but like the idea that he gets to say in la, where he's been the last few years already. Um, but like, think about it this way the rams were the team that gave the eagles the biggest challenge during their playoff run that ended in a super bowl win. So, like, with the idea that they can keep that going, keep adding to their team and Matthew Stafford will still be at the helm, even if you lose a guy like Cooper Cupp along the way. That's definitely something they need to figure out. I am intrigued to see, whatever that number is he's going to get paid for how much of a discount. There's no way the Rams are going to be paying him $50 million a year. It's going to be something a little bit cheaper, but how much cheaper $30.
Speaker 2:Who knows, but again, I just want to know how much once it does come out, because it always ends up coming out at some point once they have to turn it into the NFL to kind of have it reviewed. San Francisco 49ers traded Debo Samuel to the Washington Commanders for a fifth round pick in this year's draft. The Commies are going to have to pay the rest of his contract and paying his full $17.55 million salary for this upcoming season. Washington getting their guy wide receiver wise to be on the other side of scary Terry. It gives them a versatile weapon, uh, a veteran guy that has been there for a while to help out Jane Daniels. Again, it's not like Jane Daniels needs a ton of help, as crazy was last year, like they just got to keep this going, keep him protected. I think they'll be able to do a lot of good things next year, but having another weapon along on the other side of scary Terry is definitely a huge deal. Let's be honest Devo Samuel is not the same. I'm not going to sit here and say he wasn't the same, like totally not the same player, but there has been a couple of steps back when it comes to his speed and like his breakaway ability in comparison to prior seasons, not to mention the fact he's been hurt multiple times over, so he hasn't had a lot of full seasons played over the last few years. Debo Samuel did go on Twitter and say there's no hard feelings. Obviously this is part of the deal, this is part of the business side of the game and he has no hard feelings to the Niners or the players that are there and that he's happy to have this new opportunity. But I just think with this new spot playing as a number two, I think he could be a very again.
Speaker 2:When was Debo at his best was when he had Brandon Ayuk on the other side getting a lot of the big attention for the bigger plays downfield. Scary Terry is still doing that. He's still going to get that number one treatment. I think it's going to make Debo Samuel that much more effective. Playing with a Jane Daniels that also is a threat to run as well. It only just allows more and more space for Debo to be able to work with, especially on those underneath routes, and being able to hand him the ball and give him the ball in many different cool ways. I think it's going to make it going to maybe not extend his career, but he's going to extend the amount of high level play he'll be able to give you for the next year or so at least a couple of years of his career. And I think for the Niners on their side it's like a Bill Belichick move Get rid of you one year too soon rather than one year too late. And I think they're just trying to do that. Get under the cap number that they again. They've paid so many people they're going to have to pay the piper on that at some point and by doing that, getting rid of Debo Samuel saved them a decent amount of money for their cap space.
Speaker 2:Next thing Eagles. They make a flurry of moves over the last few days or so. So they cut Darius Lay to save $4.3 million. Cornerback Darius Slay, their veteran guy in their locker room, saved to save $4.3 million. They cut their other veteran cornerback, james Bradbury, to save $2.1 million. And then they signed Saquon Barkley to a two-year $41.2 million extension, making him the highest paid back in NFL history, and he's also the first NFL running back to make over $20 million in a season.
Speaker 2:So that is a huge deal for a running back. Obviously, after the year he had last year kind of makes sense right. He kind of puts up one of the best running back seasons of all time. He was a huge reason as to why the eagles had the playoff run that they had and I think he just makes that whole offense run at a different level and I think they were going to show him money wise how much, how appreciated he is for that team. Huge deal for him. He earned it. He's a nice guy all the way around.
Speaker 2:He he did everything right. There was no sitting out. He did everything he was supposed to do, necessary, got to free agency, got to the Eagles and had a great run. And they're going to pay him a decent amount of money over the next few years to do so. And then they also signed Zach Braun to a three-year $51 million deal. So they do get to keep their very, very.
Speaker 2:He was an all-pro last year, all-pro linebacker. Honestly, he was surprised. They didn't think he was going to be as good as he was playing for them this year. But they're keeping him around for a few years and just kind of help him infuse, obviously, those young guys. They have them to their defense already and I just think with the moves they're making, they're getting younger at certain positions, getting cheaper to kind of keep their team going as far as they can.
Speaker 2:But it was definitely a huge move to kind of keep the guys they did keep, even if it meant getting rid of some of the older veterans that helped you get to the Super Bowl and win it. So give them their rings on the way out, I guess. I guess that's all you can ask for, right, jace? This is your time now. Bengals tag wide receiver T Higgins in hopes of coming to a long-term deal, along with them meeting to sign his running mate, the big-time wide receiver Jamar Chase, coming off his triple crown season, and then also defensive end Trey Hendrickson. They released guard Alex Kappa and they've created an additional $17.6 million in cap space doing so.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sam Hubbard announced his retirement today, so there's going to be a little bit of dead cap money on that one, but again, he won't be on the team anymore. Can Burrow force the Bengals' hand and are the Bengals actually going to try to make this work? No, that's my thought, right, that's my prevailing thought, because I think there's no like Burrow is for sure trying to make this happen, because Burrow is a very competitive guy. He's shown that all throughout his years in the NFL and even going back to college. And he said everything right. He said hey, I want to keep everybody here. He said the Eagles have made it work, why can't we?
Speaker 2:But the problem is, is that to make that happen, the Bengals, actually the ownership for the Bengals, actually what has to make it happen?
Speaker 2:And I just think that even if Burrow restructures his contract to kind of make a little more money for him, I just think that the Bengals are going to have to want to do all this and I think the Bengals will be very happy with keeping Joe Burrow, maybe signing Jamar Chase to the top of the market money and then just keeping everybody else at a minimum so they can try to make as much money as they possibly can, and that's the part that I'm not sure. If Joe Burrow can change, joe Burrow can change. Joe Burrow can change as much of the culture that he wants when it comes to inside the locker room, but how is he going to change that very old billionaire's again, he's not really a billionaire, but how is he going to change that old man's mind that's been running this team a certain way, being very cheap? How is he going to change their mind and stop doing that? And that's the part I don't have any belief in. Agre their mind and stop doing that, and that's the part I don't have any belief in Agreed.
Speaker 2:And even if they and I doubt they're actually going to try it, let alone actually be able to convince all three of them to be able to sign and maybe take a tad bit less. But I'm like there's no way Jamar Chase is going to take any less Coming off the Triple Crown season he just had. Why would I? I like that's. I did what I was supposed to do on five million dollars last year of his salary. You're gonna have to pay me more because I did that, did that on the cheap last year.
Speaker 2:Hendrickson, like you've made him wait for so long. He's getting paid half of what other great defensive ends that on his level are making right now. So, like, why would I? Like? I want everything I can get because I've been waiting so long to get my, my big payday. And then, on t higgins, now you've franchise tagged me twice in a row. You are keeping me under the chains of no free agency with this franchise tag and again, maybe I can get behind the idea that they don't want that. They're gonna really want to sign him. I get it. But just signing t higgins and jamar chase is not going to fix this team either, because you still have so many needs on the defensive side of the ball and now you have one less offensive lineman on your team because you got rid of alex. Cap is not like he's necessarily great, but like that was still a body that you had in your line that you probably could have used, but now you're not.
Speaker 1:One less defensive end.
Speaker 2:One less defensive end. Sam Hubbard's gone and again it could be two if they don't get Trey Hendrickson to do what he has to do and they don't sign him. So I just think the Bengals have a lot of balls in the air right now, and I'm not sure if Burrow has enough bullets in his gun to keep at the head of the Bengals' front office and keep the pressure on them to do what they have to do to make a winner, because you have to spend cash to make a winner and there are too many owners in the NFL that are okay, just hey, let's scrape by, let's give our fans a little bit of hope to keep coming to these games and keep paying for tickets and keep watching, like some teams are good at that. That's a Carson Palmer, carson Palmer.
Speaker 1:That was his problem.
Speaker 2:He was cool. He was with the Bengals for so long. The same thing happened to Carson Palmer and he's like y'all are not trying to win, so I'm going to get out of here. I'm going to go ahead and retire.
Speaker 1:Y'all signed, no talent around him. So he retired to get out of his contract and then went and signed with somebody else.
Speaker 2:I think it was the Raiders and the Cardinals.
Speaker 1:Yes, he signed to the Raiders and the Cardinals, but you guys didn't sign Chad Ochoacinco back. You guys didn't want to give him top-tier money. You let him walk, so we walked. They didn't give Palmer a line, which was his biggest problem. He had no line oh yeah, he was getting destroyed. And and then that same year in the offseason you draft Zanetti Dalton in the second round.
Speaker 2:Right, you want to get cheaper there too. So I'm sitting here like I just think can Burrow tame this horse that's been doing it one way for so long? That's my question, and I think Burrow's going to try everything. But even in the other question is if the Bengals actually try or they just kind of try to fake it like, oh we tried, sorry, burrow, we couldn't make it happen, how is Burrow going to take that? Is he going to believe them or is he going to have a bad reaction to that? He's going to call BS and like what happens after that? Like Burrow, there's not a lot of quarterbacks out there that say I'm not going to play or I want to get traded. So what happens after that? Burrow truly believes that the Bengals aren't going to do everything necessary to make sure that he has a chance to win throughout his career. Because I'm like, if it don't happen now, when is it going to happen? There's no way you can. If he's putting the pressure on him now, he wants some results. But yeah, it's a whole mess. They have a lot of balls in the air that hopefully they can get it all figured out.
Speaker 2:Only two players in this free agency class have been franchise tagged Only two, because every team has a franchise tag they can use but nobody else has used it except for the Bengals on T Higgins and the Chiefs using it their guard, trey Smith. Only two teams that use their franchise tag these years. Kind of crazy, I think. Kind of marks that a lot of teams are in it like ready for business and they're like ready for the league year to start because apparently the tampering period starts on Monday, which is why all these Floria moves is really starting to happen over these next couple of days, just to kind of get every all these teams ready for is really starting to happen over these next couple days, just to kind of get all these teams ready for the tampering period to start next week so they can start talking to other players, try to get players on their team as fast as possible.
Speaker 2:So a lot of moves happening because of him. We're kind of running through it all. Next one Dallas has freed up $56.6 million in cap space by restructuring Dak and CD Lambs contracts. That's a lot of money. And again you, the only way teams do that is by making part of their salary into a signing bonus and then kind of pushing it off to next year and years after that. Pretty much what it does is send money, kicks the money down the road, so you have more uh cap space now, but those that bill does come due later with higher cap hits and all of that later on. So the cowboys are trying, apparently but again they have michael parks on their team they're going to try to have to sign that sign to a long-term deal at some point, so like that they just may be getting more ready for that.
Speaker 1:They're signing him next year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they can't do this again and wait until the last minute, because they end up paying more every single time. By their luck, this will be the year Michael Parsons has the sack record like the best sack record of the year, has the most sacks and he's going to come over the head for more. It's better to do it early rather than late, and I just feel like they need to. But again, the Cowboys have done this twice already. They waited until the last second on Dak multiple times and he made them pay every single penny for it. Ceedee Lamb, they made him wait until the last second and he made them pay for it. So I'm just like it's not working in their favor, but yet they're not learning lessons from it. But the Cowboys, with all that little bit of that money they made back in their cap. They signed Osa Odigizua, I believe is a defensive lineman for them, to a four-year $80 million contract. At least they have one defensive piece they believe in, enough to keep on their squad.
Speaker 1:The Bengals signed a guard Jackson Kirkland.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a one-year deal?
Speaker 2:I believe yeah. So that's another one. At least the Bengals are trying to make some moves. Again, they need to get their big guys back in order. But again, where they can fill in other spots is what they're going to have to do.
Speaker 2:The Lions trade guard Jonah Jackson Buckeye to the Bears for a 2025 sixth-round pick. Again. Is this a big deal for the Lions? No, because they have so many great offensive linemen.
Speaker 2:Jonah Jackson's played a lot of games over the last few years, but this year he was a little bit more hurt. But I just think with that, it guards a little bit easier to play some tackles and I think if they're trying to save a little bit of money, getting rid of Jonah Jackson is definitely a good way to do it. They'll take a cap hit now, but it won't be as big of a hit in the coming years. So, with that being the case, it makes sense. And on the bear side, they need as many good offensive linemen as they possibly get, because that off the line tore Caleb up last year because they couldn't protect him whatsoever, and I think that with Ben Johnson being the coach at Chicago, he, coming from the Lions, knows what Jonah Jackson's about being an offensive lineman, so I just feel like being able to get a guy like that on the roster is definitely a big deal.
Speaker 2:To try to protect Caleb Williams, next one Jets cut Devontae Adams Big deal Again. He's a very good wide receiver still, yeah, but did you not expect this?
Speaker 2:oh, I did because once you kind of got rid of aaron rogers, it seems like they're trying to restart this whole thing. Not restart, as in blow the whole team up, because they have a lot of young pieces yeah, just reset a soft reset.
Speaker 2:Let's just say that a soft reset. Get rid of all that aaron rogers acolytes he kind of brought in during his two-year window there. Get a Al Mazar, the wide receiver that's still on their team. They told him he can look. He can look for a trade if he wants. Because they're trying to get rid of him so like they're trying to get rid of all the stench of the Aaron Rodgers era for that team. And you know, it's just one of those spots where they uh decided to make moves. Devontae Adams still a very good receiver. He's going to have plenty of suitors out there in free agency. The question is where he's going to go, where he's going to be the best used. He's an intriguing guy for a team like the Steelers. But again, I'd rather just go draft a young guy and try to do it that way rather than just get a Band-Aid at the position, because you just never know when it's going to, when that luck may run out, when it comes to injuries, when it comes to want to Like. It's just a lot of factors when you're talking about a guy that's a little bit longer in the tooth at that position.
Speaker 2:Next thing Seahawks are overhauling the roster by cutting guys like Draymond Jones, their outside linebacker, who was a pretty big I think he was a guy that attacked at the quarterback, so that was big Tyler Lockett. They released him, amongst other players. I think they made like $27 million in cap space by making the moves they made over the last couple days. Not just that, but DK Metcalf asked for a trade today. So he said he's done, he wants to go to a contender and try to win some games and try to go win a Super Bowl as hard as he can. So that is a big deal because, heck, I think DK Metcalf was on the trading block last year. If they would have found a trade that they really liked. But I think, with it getting leaked that DK is on the chopping block now I mean DK wants to leave I feel like it just makes it a lot harder for the Seahawks to do anything differently.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. They made a lot of cap space. They still have Geno on their roster, like is he going to be their guy long?
Speaker 1:term. Are they going to cut him? They draft a late round quarterback.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's. Or they get one early, like they, I think. Where are the Seahawks in the draft order? Like they're, I think they Close to 15, right, they're in the teens, yes. Nfl draft order. They're closer to 15, if I had to guess, they don't get a first-round quarterback.
Speaker 1:There's not a first-round quarterback out there.
Speaker 2:A Jackson Dart would probably make sense for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they'd probably go get an office lineman 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Speaker 2:Dang Seahawks are 18.
Speaker 1:They're the ones that most people have the mock draft pick up guard or tackle.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Booker kid from Alabama. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:That definitely makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. I think they get a second-round quarterback.
Speaker 2:But yeah, with all that, and here's one little silver lining though.
Speaker 2:JSN if they trade DK, there's nobody to take anything from him. They're going to have to throw to him like 15 times a game at this rate, with them not having really anybody else on their roster they can believe in. So and it was funny because there was a corner that played for one of the other NFC West teams that they were like he's like, oh, with no DK Metcalf who's going to challenge me, and he claimed that all JSN do is cry. He called him a crybaby. I'm like, okay, all right, dude, this is the problem.
Speaker 2:When you put stuff on social media like that, everybody sees it and then JSN is going to have that date locked in, circled in, so he can go out and show out on you for calling him a crybaby, because I'm like Jason's that dude, and he showed it this year Like when they start using him like a number one receiver, he produced like a number one receiver and I think that people were trying to push DK Metcalf to the Steelers too, and I'm like I'm not sure I want that either. He's a big receiver, but he's like not all that fast, that's just George Pickens with more muscle.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm just like and he isn't necessarily the best adult in the locker room either, it's like you're going to have two of them. I'd rather get a Mecca. Right now. He's at least more of an adult and he can do everything you ask him to do and he's going to. I'm not saying he's going to be a pro bowler every year, but he's going to be a very good NFL starter.
Speaker 1:He's going to be a consummate professional.
Speaker 2:Right. Sometimes what you need and I just think DK Metcalf isn't necessarily that all the time he's AJ Brown, without the explosiveness At least AJ Brown produces. That's very true.
Speaker 1:That's a good point.
Speaker 2:There's too many games like DK Metcalf is. Too many games like that. I don't trust it, so I don't want him on my team whatsoever, especially at the big number he's at, unless you're gonna get him for nothing, which, again, if it's a fifth round pick, okay, fine, I guess, I guess, but I'm not gonna give up anything of consequence to go for a guy like that when I can just draft somebody.
Speaker 1:A fifth-round pick for the Steelers means a lot. That's where you find your random-ass, fucking Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. You're not wrong whatsoever. The.
Speaker 1:Hall of Famer fucking safety from Kalamazoo Michigan.
Speaker 2:Or another white guy from Wisconsin. They love doing that, god damn. Sam Darnold will be a free agent. He was not franchise tagged. He will be a guy out there to go try to find a deal for himself as much as he can. I see him as an option for a team like the Raiders, for a team like the Giants, for teams like that. I see him as a real option. Again, he's going to be a good NFL starter.
Speaker 1:Is he going to be a guy that can take?
Speaker 2:you to the next step. I think if he goes to, one of those two teams.
Speaker 1:He starts seeing Ghost again. You think so. Have you seen the Raiders? The Raiders are bad Name. Four Raiders players.
Speaker 2:Name three. Let's see Okay.
Speaker 1:It can't be Max Crosby.
Speaker 2:I was going to talk about him in a second because he had a big deal.
Speaker 1:No, max Crosby, name three.
Speaker 2:Okay, you got the oh no. Why am I doing this to myself? We got the tight end, obviously. And no, no, no. Why am I forgetting his name? Oh, he played for Georgia. Don't do this, joe, not right now.
Speaker 1:Not right now. We're not doing this.
Speaker 2:We're not doing this. We're not doing this right now. His name is Brock Bowers, yeah, brock.
Speaker 1:Bowers plays for them. You have the other tight end from.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame His name is. I can't look this up, right, I have to do this off the top of my head. Okay, okay, okay, okay, did I mention Max Crosby?
Speaker 1:You can't use that one.
Speaker 2:I was going to say Gardner Minshew, but they're going to drop him. He's not going to be on their roster anymore.
Speaker 1:So he doesn't count.
Speaker 2:He does not count. Running back to why they really don't have anybody I can think about like they had Robert Smillane on their team last year. I'm not sure who the fuck that is a linebacker used to play for the Steelers. Only reason why I know. Let me see here who's the other freaking tight end for them yeah, that's kind of the only other guy I know. That's who I'm thinking of too he was a very good tight end at Notre Dame. He was that's kind of the only other guy I know, that's who.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking of too. He's very he was a very good tight end at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1:He was very good for the Raiders, he's just not. He's not Brock Bowers. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:He's a very good tight end. You know, funny enough he's a very, very good tight end and they drafted Brock Again. The Raiders didn't want to draft Brock Bowers last year, but they freaked out once all the quarterbacks they liked got taken before they were able to pick Act.
Speaker 1:Like he didn't, dude still had 800 yards his first year.
Speaker 2:Michael Mayer Bang. Michael Mayer had 800 yards his first year.
Speaker 1:That's his name as a pro 800 yards as a tight end is crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Brock Bowers put up the best tight end season of all time in his rookie year, I know, but Michael Mayer still had 800 yards his rookie year. I know Everybody discredits him Because he's not a flashy Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers is that dude? He really is. No, michael Mayer is a tight end. Michael Mayer is an all-around tight end. Tight end does everything but get him in some space and that boy can work Right. But he's're not Brock Bowers.
Speaker 1:Brock Bowers. Don't do fuck else besides, I'm going to go catch the ball. I'm a big ass receiver.
Speaker 2:I'm a head topper dude. Brock Bowers can't fucking block and he's very fast too.
Speaker 1:He is, but again, he can't fucking block. He's not bad at blocking.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, go say watch fucking George Kittle go out. Good enough blocker to go block the best off the tackle.
Speaker 1:It's not what Brock Bauer's going to do. Again, what I'm saying is Brock Bauer's can't do that, but Michael Mayer has more opportunity.
Speaker 2:Michael Mayer can't do that. I can agree to that. I can, I can.
Speaker 1:I can totally agree to that as aeman. No, that nigga was out on the fucking side.
Speaker 2:You're taking away possibilities if you have him on the line.
Speaker 1:Exactly. He don't line up on the line. I look up and bro's out there next to my receiver, who I don't know, I don't know who the fuck that is. I know where the ball's going. I'm about to throw that bitch up about 35 yards down the field.
Speaker 2:And he usually comes down with it no route. That was his old.
Speaker 1:No fancy shit. He's about to run 35 yards and jump.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's gonna make the fucking six foot dude In front of him Look like a little boy.
Speaker 2:Sam Donald could do pretty good With Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, they'll have to get a wide receiver To help him out and an O-line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not bad, but it's not great and the rest of the defense. Their defense isn't good either.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he's on the Jets again. Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:Speaking of the Raiders. Oh, by the way, Vikings, you think this means it's JJ McCarthy time. There's no way they start Daniel Jones going into next year. There's just no way.
Speaker 1:No way, no way no way, no, how.
Speaker 2:There's no way. They start Daniel Jones, so I'm thinking it's JJ McCarthy time.
Speaker 1:They draft him with the top have fun.
Speaker 2:What is he Pick? 11 or something like that. They use a high pick on him.
Speaker 1:Have fun.
Speaker 2:Again, I never believed in either, but I had to admit he was a great third down quarterback.
Speaker 1:Y'all are going to watch him play and then miss Sam Darnold Because, I'll be honest, jason McCarthy has a noodle compared to Darnold.
Speaker 2:You're not. His arm is not like Sam Darnold has, like an otherworldly type of arm.
Speaker 1:Sam Darnold can boom that ball and when you have Jordan Addison I mean I'll go out to you is one of the biggest deep directs in the NFL. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then Justin.
Speaker 1:Now I wouldn't say Sam Darnold's Lethally accurate, but I could say he could throw the ball Right in front of Dustin when he has his feet Under him and he has a clean pocket.
Speaker 2:He can make a lot of.
Speaker 1:Great throws. But even that he can get him on the move A little bit and he can make the throw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when he starts Getting pressure in his face, that's when everything Bre which is why he had the worst eight days any quarterback ever had last year.
Speaker 1:He could boom the ball down to Jordan Addison. I watched him throw several 70-yard touchdowns. Gone, jordan Addison's gone. You know why? Guess who played at USC, guess what offense USC has always ran, yeah, fucking air raid.
Speaker 2:We're going to throw it up and that's all we're going to do?
Speaker 1:No defense is going to be played all game, no question do. No defense is going to be played all game, no question, and then he can just put it on the. He can put the ball on the dot for just enough for Justin Jefferson to go get it and make some plays. I don't think JJ McCarthy can do that.
Speaker 2:Again, he can show us all wrong. I'm definitely, I'm up for it, because obviously he's a Viking.
Speaker 1:Now JJ McCarthy should be looking at Daniel Jones like I'm going to a year and then I'm paying me Because JJ McCarthy is not that good.
Speaker 2:He was very good on third down. Honestly in the NFL, that's where you make your money.
Speaker 1:It's hard to not be good when you know what scheme they're running. I know your scheme.
Speaker 2:That's true. That's true. I know what's coming. He's looking at his running back like, hey, I know this play.
Speaker 1:I know if it their linebacker's going to fall in.
Speaker 2:I'm about to hit a tight end. Come on, dude.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Oh, one more thing DJ Chester ran a 4-2-6?.
Speaker 2:In 2023,.
Speaker 1:He ran a 4-2-6.
Speaker 2:He didn't break the record, but he was right there.
Speaker 1:Fun fact, the Bengals have also drafted seven of the top 15 40 runners. So I was looking at top performers and John Ross was there. You can click on them and you can see who drafted them. The Bengals drafted seven of the 15. Guess how many worked out?
Speaker 2:Like two.
Speaker 1:Currently it's DJ Turner, so one. Sorry, it was very infuriating. They were all first round picks, by the way. Gross, so gross. John Rawls' pick, fucking seven. Yeah, that thing crashed and burned Every time I look at that draft it upsets me because I look at all the other perennial hall of famers that were in that draft and we took john ross oh, by the way, they did say that aaron rogers may be an opportunity, maybe a spot for the vikings huh aaron rogers he wants, if he wants to try to complete the.
Speaker 2:I want to have brett farve's career um bingo card. It's go play for the vikings after playing for the jets and in the packers. So like, with that being the case, I'm again. Would he be able to go back, sit there and do nothing except for throw to the to justin jefferson, jordan addison and the in hawkins, hawks. Yeah for sure he could do that.
Speaker 2:But I just think the idea that, even if he does come in cheaper, if he comes in wanting less money, like why would I, why would they surrender their, their peace for to aaron rogers, I'm like, everywhere he's been, every he gets run, he either gets run out or he ends up leaving with a bit being a big old mess everywhere. So why would you invite the Fox into the hen house? The Jets did it and they're treating him like a cancer. They want to get rid of anybody that got close to the man. They're like get him out, get him out, we're getting him out of here. So I just don't know why, if you're the Vikings, especially if you drafted McCarthy last year, why would Aaron Rodgers be a name that even comes out of your mouth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, if they're looking at McCarthy like they're not 100% sure what they're looking, for yeah, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's a whole mess. It's a whole mess. Raiders cut Minshew, extend Max Crosby to a three-year $106.5 million deal, making him the highest paid non-QB in NFL history. He has $91.5 million fully guaranteed at signing. Do you know? This is the fourth time his contract's been touched in five years. He keeps looking at the teams like, oh, we still shit. Restructure my contract, more money. Oh we still shit. Give me more money, if I'm Max Crosby.
Speaker 1:I got y'all by the balls.
Speaker 2:Fourth time in five years they've done contract moves.
Speaker 1:Look at the Raiders. The only other good player is Michael Mayer and Brock Bowers, who are both tight ends, and looking at that, I can truly name three people on that team. I can name four, and one of them is their backup running back, because I had him in fantasy all year and every time I put him in he'd fucking shit the bed and do nothing. No, fuck. I called it, I called your bluff I had his name, but then the fucking dude from the niners popped out, eliza mitchell, and I was like that's the wrong, not not that guy.
Speaker 2:Yes, I knew that was the time to ask. I knew that was the perfect time. It was right there. I just blanked Nope, no, you don't, you don't know that dude's name.
Speaker 1:You know his face, you know what he looks like, you know what number he wears. You don't know his name, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard, ain't it? It's hard. I'll give you a second to think about it. But Tom Brady, apparently he's being very involved. But here's my thing they're letting him be so involved with QB decisions and all this. There's been a lot of guys that think they can be a part of the front office and it doesn't work out. Michael Jordan was the best basketball player to ever play.
Speaker 1:He couldn't pick basketball players for shit.
Speaker 2:He sucked as a GM.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess he picked LaMelo, I guess.
Speaker 2:But again he had so many bites of the apple it had to work at some point, I know.
Speaker 1:but he also picked a couple other good players and they barely ever won.
Speaker 2:So again, they really didn't do a lot. But what makes you think that Tom Brady is an instant he-knows-what-he-wants guy? He may be ass at this. Not to mention, he talked to Matthew Stafford and could get the job done. He talked to who was it? Who was the other quarterback they talked to and didn't work. He's had two bites of the apple and the quarterbacks they've tried to get to come there. They haven't said yes. So what makes them think Tom Brady's going to be instantly good at this Again, just like people thought he would be instantly good at calling games which newsflash he isn't. I'm not saying he won't be good forever, but it's not looking good right now. So like I just don't know why having him again. He's an owner, he's partial owner, but like who hears about a minority owner of a team until they become a full owner for another team.
Speaker 1:Fucking Alexander Madison. I could not think of his name. God damn it. I knew his name, but I could not think of it.
Speaker 2:Oh, by the way, Alex Kappa, a Raider. They went and signed him to a three-year deal. That's another Raider. You asked for Raiders earlier. I gave you another one.
Speaker 1:The only thing Kappa had going for him Was that Burr really liked him.
Speaker 2:But he was hurt, not all that great when he was playing. He was on his last year Of his deal anyway. So, like with all that, not to mention, the Bengals try to get their money together so they can try to go Pay the big players. They didn't.
Speaker 1:Don't really want to, is probably looking at us like I'm much better than Max Crosby. I am much better than Max Crosby and unfortunately he fucking is. Yeah but Three straight years.
Speaker 2:he's been much better than Max Crosby, but can the Bengals afford to pay him like that type of money? No, they cannot. Even if they wanted to, which I think they really don't want to no, I think they really don't want to.
Speaker 1:No, I think they truly. Tray Anderson tried to retire after he's done with his deal. He's 32.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's still looking for his money though, well, again he deserves his money 17, 19, 17 and a half.
Speaker 1:He's getting paid half of what all the other great defensemen are making, and you're playing just as good, if not better, than some of them.
Speaker 2:That's before this latest deal that made Max Crosby the highest paid non-QB ever. Before that, he was still getting paid half of that.
Speaker 1:So we're just kind of you know. But yeah, max Crosby has them by the balls.
Speaker 2:Four times in five years Like oh, I need more money Sorry.
Speaker 1:Hey, we're still really bad. Can.
Speaker 2:I need more emotional support. With some dollars in my bank account Like it's what I need, I'll take the lose and just keep giving me more cash.
Speaker 1:Just keep paying me.
Speaker 2:Like seeing what Max Crosby is going through Again. Maybe, maybe I'm cool with the idea of somebody being loyal so loyal to the cause they're willing to keep going through all this.
Speaker 1:Max Crosby ain't loyal to shit. He just knows the Raiders will keep paying him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like gives me more. At least Miles Garrett is like hey, I don't want to do this the rest of my career. Even if you're willing to pay me, Get me out.
Speaker 1:Nah, give me the Mike Trout special. I'll take $932 million the next 10 years just for him to play.
Speaker 2:Barely at all.
Speaker 1:And he's still considered one of the best players ever.
Speaker 2:When he was playing. He was, but it's just not a lot of playing as of recent.
Speaker 1:True, but let's be honest Three straight AOMVPs on a shitty team.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Say what you want about him.
Speaker 2:That boy was crazy, yeah, but again I think he's paying for that by being too loyal, like, hey, do you really care about winning if you want to go through all this losing? It's not like they. There's a middling team, they suck.
Speaker 1:and that's what this, when the Raiders has been as the Raiders have, sucked that boy probably a damn near a billionaire with, like Billy, would have be by the time he retires like the, like the Lions, and they won't be able to what Max Crosby making with, with the, with the Raiders.
Speaker 2:But I'm like if they could pay you 10 million dollars less and you can go try to win a championship, shouldn't that be worth it? He said no, I need the money in my bank account and he might throw so much money. Of course I did they.
Speaker 1:I know again, at the time he deserved it but let's be honest, he's still kind of the only reason why people are in their stands no, you're not wrong, but it's just he hasn't play a lot so he keeps getting hurt.
Speaker 2:He's like crack glass.
Speaker 1:At this point I'm not saying he's totally broke and can't be put back together, but there are some real signs showing that there's some issues, I agree, but that crack glass will still play half a season and still put up 27 home runs, 27 home runs, 19 stolen bases and leave with a 326 fucking batting average. I'll take it when I'm the Angels. What else I got going for me?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Nacho Hematani, exactly, and if I'm Mike Trout, will you guys want to give? Me $700 million.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll take that, thanks, Thanks, yeah, for sure. Where are my signs? And he had like a shit ton guaranteed.
Speaker 1:I think most of it was guaranteed. That's why his contract was such like headlines Nowadays that's not Come on. That's $20 million short of what Soto got, but he's probably made so much money, but no, it's just insane.
Speaker 2:Um, let's see the other thing I had um chiefs, they trade guard joe toony, the guy they put up tackle to try to play with them, like the last half of last year because they they had so many hurt tackles they didn't have anybody else. They're like hey, we're done, we didn't. Like you didn't play well in the super bowlers. Like hey, we're done with this, you can. They traded into the bears for a 2026, the fourth round pick. So it seems like the chiefs just making some moves, trying to get a little cheaper. Um, obviously there's a lot of office alignment in this year's draft, so like there's gonna be plenty of opportunities for them to go ahead and draft another guy?
Speaker 1:who? Who are you paying?
Speaker 2:They're paying Patrick Holmes. They're still paying Travis Kelsey because he's coming back for his last year of his deal. That defense they're still paying guys, Chris Jones.
Speaker 1:They're paying him top of the market. He's top of the line of money, you're not wrong. List stops. Who the fuck are you paying? All your receivers are rookies.
Speaker 2:All your DVs are rookies at this point. Reed isn't Justin. Reed isn't.
Speaker 1:But you're not paying a ton of money. Y'all kind of paid them on a discount.
Speaker 2:They're paying their misogynist kicker Again. Being a misogynist is better than being a massage guy. And Justin Tucker.
Speaker 1:He still probably makes the Hall of Fame though.
Speaker 2:Depends on how bad this whole thing goes.
Speaker 1:OJ still in the Hall of Fame, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, cool Got it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, vars real low, yep.
Speaker 2:Vars very low, got it. Yes, yes, it's a perfect point. I have no retort to that, no retort whatsoever to that at all. But yeah, you're right, they're not willing to pay a lot of people. But I think maybe they need to get a little younger at offensive line, because they have had a really good offensive line for the past years. But, like it's a little older, they franchise-tagged the one guard that's young. They still have to pay.
Speaker 1:I think I had a memorial for OJ Simpson at the NFL Hall of Fame. Hey, real quick, that's something we should go to. We live in Ohio, yeah probably should. We've never been there. Never have Where's Canton, I think that's. Is that north, is that just outside Cleveland? I think so.
Speaker 2:No, thanks, I don't want to go anymore. Is that just outside of Cleveland? I think so.
Speaker 1:No, thanks, I don't want to go anymore, let me see.
Speaker 2:Oh, and Jags, they released Christian Kirk. Okay, so again, he's not a bad receiver, but he's probably not what he once was. So that's a bad casualty Agreed. So here's Mike. He's not a bad pickup he wouldn't be and, honestly, every Steelers fan is trying to connect them to all these wide receivers that are out there.
Speaker 1:I think Christian Kirk actually wouldn't be half bad for the Steelers.
Speaker 2:I know, but I just want to draft a young guy. I need an adult, no.
Speaker 1:I agree. But if you were to take Christian Kirk and then still take a younger guy I Kirk and then still take a younger guy.
Speaker 2:I think Christian Kirk's a really even keel guy, true, and I think he can still put up decent numbers, yeah, and then you can draft a young receiver, I think as soon as I just know my Steelers well enough to know that if they go ahead and sign somebody in free agency, they're not going to spend a first round pick on Emeka Ibuka and that's who I want. He fits the Steeler way. He does everything.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest with you. I'm not going to book Zubia second round pick.
Speaker 2:He shouldn't be. He's going to be a second round pick. I feel like literally at latest he will be a. I can shake your hand on this right now he will. If he doesn't last through the first round, if he goes all the way through the first round, he won't make it past the fifth pick in the second round. Somebody will trade up and get him if he's still sitting there in the second, the fifth, pick in the second round.
Speaker 1:He will not go past that. I'll bet you five bucks.
Speaker 2:Five bucks, five bucks. Easy, okay, easy, no, he's going to slide Past the fifth pick in the second round.
Speaker 1:Okay, I agree.
Speaker 2:I think it depends on his. Okay, I will revoke this if this nigga runs a 4-3.
Speaker 1:I'm revoking this Fuck out of here If he runs anything anything in the 4-4s he's done, If this nigga runs anything faster than a 4-4,. I'm revoking this, fuck that.
Speaker 2:That nigga's a first-round pick. If he's a 4-4-something he's gonna be a first-round pick, let alone if he runs like a 4-3-8.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, thank you, I'm good, I'm revoking that. You can keep that shit.
Speaker 2:We have a little asterisk on it. Okay, fine, we'll see how they do the pro day.
Speaker 1:I agreed with you. When we said it, we were at our grandparents' house. You were like, if he runs anything faster Than a 4-4.
Speaker 2:If he's in the 4-4s, he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1:Yes, I can agree with that. I think he has to run faster than a 4-4. Personally, I think it says he has to be in the 4-3s.
Speaker 2:I don't think it has to be that he's too good at everything else.
Speaker 1:I know that's the thing. It solidifies him as an actual threat receiver.
Speaker 2:Okay, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Because he does have everything else. But you could have everything else if you're not fast. Yes, Especially when you have a— it, it's like claims of being shifty, terry McLaren is not fast. He is not a fast receiver, he is shifty. But the thing is he's an elite route runner. Yeah, there's no one in the NFL that runs routes better than him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he was a second-round pick, so it made it a perfect pick at the time. Because he wasn't fast enough, right, but that's the thing he was fast enough, but he wasn't first-round pick type of fast.
Speaker 1:Exactly, that's what changes it. Yeah, terry McClendon probably ran in the 4-4s. He probably ran a 4-40-something. Yeah, okay, no.
Speaker 2:Him and Emeka are very different coming out of college, though.
Speaker 1:Emeka's a much different cat. Emeka Obuka's had four years to develop as a player, yeah, where he has never got to be the number one option.
Speaker 2:Again. Oh, his only sin he's not Marvin Harrison. You're not Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1:You're not Garrett Wilson, you're not JSN, and you're not Chris Olave, and you're not JJ, but you are.
Speaker 2:You're not, jeremiah.
Speaker 1:Smith, but you are the most put-together receiver that has probably come out of Ohio State, but you are the most put-together receiver that has probably come out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2:He's complete Forever. You are good at everything.
Speaker 1:There's nothing you are bad at. But I also can agree he doesn't excel at anything either.
Speaker 2:I would say probably his route running. I think his route running is probably a little bit under, but he's not.
Speaker 1:You are not, chris Olave.
Speaker 2:He's not a route. God yeah for sure I totally agree.
Speaker 1:There ain't been another motherfucker, that's Michael Thomas. To this day I will never see another OSU receiver. Go ahead, come out there like Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2:Jeremiah Smith, is that dude?
Speaker 1:Running routes. Like Michael Thomas you are tapping. No, Jeremiah Smith is get the fuck off me and walk right past his ass. No, I ain't seen Jeremiah Smith run route. I watched Jeremiah Smith. Hey, throw that bitch up.
Speaker 2:But again, he's a freshman. He don't run routes, you know why.
Speaker 1:He don't need to. I'm six foot four. Okay, I'm telling you he was so much bigger than everybody else.
Speaker 2:He has two more years.
Speaker 1:Then he pushed somebody over and they flagged him for it. He Pushed somebody over and they flagged him for it. He has two more years under Hartline.
Speaker 2:Jeremiah Smith does not run a route.
Speaker 1:Again, he's a freshman, okay, fine, I know, but I said as good as Michael Thomas, michael Thomas as a fucking redshirt freshman I'm projecting Without their route.
Speaker 2:Motherfuckers up. He didn't play as a freshman Redshirt. I said redshirt, okay, got it. Why aren't you listening? Listening gang. I'm sorry. Jeremiah Smith loves his Retro freshman.
Speaker 1:I remember he came out it was a year right before your championship yeah, he came out there. He's a monster. Boop, boop. Put a dude down, yes. And caught his first touchdown pass, yes. Or where he jumped up end zone, caught a ball, yeah, oh toe tap.
Speaker 2:Falls out of bounds. No for sure. Okay, I'm projecting.
Speaker 1:There is a single Ohio State receiver since that man was drafted that runs routes like him. There ain't a single receiver that runs routes like him. He ran routes different.
Speaker 2:He did it in a physical way, but it was still so precise. Chris Olave was more smooth when he did it.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but again, when you are that size and Michael Thomas, he can move.
Speaker 2:He wasn't the fastest, but he's so visible. But he can leg it out, michael.
Speaker 1:Thomas, is what 6'4".
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like Justin Herbert, he's just legging it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stride for stride Right.
Speaker 1:Once he's going, there's no one to stop him Right. There is never going to be another receiver.
Speaker 2:His prime was three years I was projecting Jeremiah Smith what he will be by the time he gets drafted.
Speaker 1:No, I am not denying that. That's why I was doing it. Jeremiah Smith is elite. I understand that I got a little over carried away.
Speaker 2:You're cool, I'm projecting him out.
Speaker 1:But there is. I have since I've seen Michael. I watched Michael Thomas play at OSU. I watched him drop several of my DVs during a game and I decided I no longer wanted to watch that game. First quarter I cut that shit off I didn't because you were still watching it and walked away. I was done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have never. He probably got drafted what Eight or nine years ago. Yeah, so he played for OSU, probably about 10. Not a single player since he was drafted that runs around like him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no you're not wrong. You're not wrong.
Speaker 1:That man was elite.
Speaker 2:And it makes it more frustrating too. It's one thing if this is a big like Jeremiah Smith way, it's a big play over the top, one-hit score type of thing. That's okay, fine, cool. But when he keeps doing it over and over death by a thousand, cuts down the field, you're like, oh, what are?
Speaker 1:we doing here. It makes you that much more frustrated. You would end the first quarter of Michael Thomas' eight catches you can't stop none of this.
Speaker 2:You can't stop none of these. You're right there. But he's just out there. He's like hey, dude, I'm going to play this like a basketball player, my body is between you and the ball and I'm going to keep it there. And that's exactly what he did, and that was his NFL career too. He caught every ball. That was his NFL ball, it was.
Speaker 1:Ohio State versus Michigan. I remember this play Catches the ball Legit. The DB is draped over him. He just holds the ball out in front of him and goes down with it Still out in front of him.
Speaker 2:Monster. Monster he was so good, it sucks that injuries ruined his career in the NFL like it did Paris Johnson from OSU. He played for the Eagles. He has a Super Bowl ring now he does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2:He got a ring.
Speaker 1:I don't know what many think of him earlier.
Speaker 2:He's obviously not a starter, but he's a very good rotational receiver that can help out a team, and he did. He's going to have a ring now Good for him. He's a champion. He is a national champion and he's a Super Bowl champion now. That's very good, very good for him, awesome. But I just want to go through. Since we have all the cap casualties that have happened as of yet, I just want to give you the top 10 teams that have the most cap space.
Speaker 1:Just give me thoughts if you have any, number one is New England $128 million in cap space.
Speaker 2:They're going to be able to sign so many players and then when they sign people, new England might be. They might turn it around to be like a playoff team next year if they do things right, they may launch into prominence yeah. Drake May. They already have their quarterbacks. I don't think they have to replace that.
Speaker 1:I think actually they go draft offense or sign wide receivers and free agents. They need all of it, christian Kirk would be a good one.
Speaker 2:Very good.
Speaker 1:He'd be a good one to sign and draft a receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:Because you can draft a late-round receiver. They could also probably pick up a running back. Ramond Stevenson is good, but he's not that.
Speaker 2:And they could just use that and be like, hey, if they sign the right people with all the money they have, they can just literally draft like, hey, the best player available at four, where we're actually no, are they at four? Yeah, they're at four. If we had the best player at four, we'll just take the best one and when no it doesn't matter, they get that new card abdul. May. He may go at one, but again he may drop I don't know what the fuck titans are gonna do again.
Speaker 2:I think they might go. There's no way they can. How can they not go a quarterback here? Why there's no good reason?
Speaker 1:You're telling me you believe you can thug it out with Will Levis. Again, you are lying to me. You are lying. Do not draft. I don't want to watch Abdul Carter get 13 sacks in his first season because Will Levis keeps throwing interceptions.
Speaker 2:Maybe some of these quarterbacks. Even though they're not necessarily great quarterbacks, they're better than Will Levis.
Speaker 1:They're options. Maybe they wait until the second round to do it. There are so many quarterbacks in this draft. I'm like these guys could be viable NFL options when.
Speaker 2:Quinn Ewers is talking about potentially being a third-round pick. Quinn Ewers is so much better than.
Speaker 1:Will Levis? I don't even hear nothing. Time, I forgot he was in this draft. Quinn Ursch, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's quiet man. You know, it is what it is. Bro is elite at high school, apparently. The Steelers interviewed him and I'm like if we picked him up in the third round it wouldn't be a terrible option, really wouldn't be.
Speaker 1:Again, I worry about some of the issues that he has when it comes to not being in the draft yeah, it's deep, but it's not a lot of great quarterback, which is fine.
Speaker 2:Again, there's a lot of boomer bus talents.
Speaker 2:there's a reason why these guys, you know, are called coaches they actually have to coach. So if you want to like, get these guys in and actually make them better players coming in not every player is going to be wrapped in a nice, nice box with ribbon and all ready to go be a perfect player for you right out the gate. Some players going to need some, you some. You're going to have to cook them in the oven a little bit. Do some coaching and if they do that, you can get some really good players, especially in this draft. Number two, vegas. They have $95 million in cap space Again, cool because they have a lot of moves. Is this before or after the Max Crosby move? Because they just keep giving him more? But they have a lot of needs. They need wide receivers, they need running backs, they need defense out the wazoo, they need a team.
Speaker 2:They need everything, everything. I don't think, tom.
Speaker 1:Except defensive end, except for and tight end.
Speaker 2:They need a second defensive. Oh they don't need tight ends, they have plenty of those.
Speaker 1:You have two tight ends you have two of those.
Speaker 2:You're great, washington. Million dollars in cap space. I fucked you. I have 78 million dollars. The fuck are you doing? They're not. They're not paying no quarterback. They're not paying jane daniels for at least the next two or three years, and scary terry is still like.
Speaker 1:It's not like they really give him any signed recently.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's onto a new contract no, not recently, but like over the last, like four, three, four years he has, but he's not getting paid 30 million dollars a year like some of these players are getting paid now. So he's still a cheaper, very good wide receiver that's getting paid, but they don't have anybody else on the roster so they're going to have a bunch of money to play around with to add to the team that made it to a NFC Championship game last year. It's crazy Arizona's at four. I don't know what they're going to do Kyler. Murray is not that guy.
Speaker 1:They're going to draft a late-round quarterback.
Speaker 2:Probably. But I'm like they already have so much money tied up in Kyler Murray and once Kyler Murray sees a quarterback he'll get pissed off and like, oh, he'll just make a big deal.
Speaker 1:You guys should go get Will Howard.
Speaker 2:Everyone should go draft.
Speaker 1:Will Howard.
Speaker 2:Everybody should draft Will Howard. I want Will Howard to drop to the third round so the Steelers can pick him If they don't pick a quarterback before that Will Howard has definitely picked him.
Speaker 1:a third round.
Speaker 2:Everybody's saying he's going to be a second round pick. People saying they love his People. From the stuff I've watched, they're saying how they respect Will Howard's run to the title in the playoff and I'm like you know what?
Speaker 1:I think? Will Howard is a quarterback. I think he embodies everything as a quarterback. He takes blame for what he does do wrong. He absorbs a culture of a team. He did it with Ohio State. He absorbed the culture immediately. Instantly he was liked by fans. He was loved by his teammates. He took all criticism as positive reinforcement. He never once truly crumbled under pressure. He'd have whoopsie plays and it happened.
Speaker 2:The Michigan game was bad, but again I think everybody's getting behind the idea that he really was something wrong with his brain when he took that hit and he shouldn't have been out there.
Speaker 2:He looked like he looked concussed, but he's probably one of the better quarterbacks in this draft, you know what's funny is that people are trying to draw that connection with the Raiders because they have Chip Kelly as their office coordinator. If they don't go quarterback in the first round, maybe they can pick up a guy like Will Howard in the second or third and be able to do that. I'm, like you know what, not a terrible idea, because Chip Kelly already knows the guy. They can bring him along slowly, wouldn't be a bad pick whatsoever. Chargers at five makes total sense. They have a lot of guys. They need a lot of help, though. They need weapons. They need a lot of help, though they need weapons. They need more wide receivers. They need their. Off the line is good, they have a quarterback. They need more defense. They're probably going to cut more defensive players. To be totally honest with you, that's an issue they're going to probably have to deal with it because they have so much old money on their defense. Minnesota is at six. What?
Speaker 1:round. Do you think they draft Donovan Mitchell in?
Speaker 2:Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1:What's his name? Brandon Mitchell, the running back from Michigan. Oh, donovan Edwards. Yeah what round do you think they draft him in?
Speaker 2:He might go undrafted. My boy, I'm not going to lie to you. Donovan Edwards will be an undrafted guy. He will not get drafted. I swear to God he won't. He did so bad in the combine. He will not get drafted. I swear to God he won't.
Speaker 1:He did so bad in the combine. Have you seen the Chargers?
Speaker 2:He's going to draft him. Yeah, but they have the JK. Jk has more talent in his right toenail than Donovan Edwards. Donovan Edwards has two ACOs, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:JK still was great last year.
Speaker 2:Oh, and his MCO and his PCO and his whatever else, not to mention there's 20 different running backs that he can take and be better than Donovan.
Speaker 1:Edwards, but it's Jim Horvath. He's going to take his guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he might take his guy in the first round. I think Colson Lovell might like the tight end. I think they're like raring to go take him in the first.
Speaker 1:He is very good Like Colson Lovell.
Speaker 2:No, the Chargers pick at 22.
Speaker 1:Oh, how the fuck they pick it at 22. They were hot ass. They made the playoffs, they did yeah. Why are their bad games so bad? They pick.
Speaker 2:One pick later than the Steelers. They pick at 22.
Speaker 1:The Steelers pick at what. 21 that nigga's made the playoffs. Why don't I remember anything? Y'all got shit on in the playoffs that hard we got lost the ravens.
Speaker 2:Yes like bad yeah that was of course it was bad damn because russ wilson's russ wilson was bad and they're saying the steelers might go. They're saying this either justin fields or russ wilson will bring back. I'm like there is no russ wil. He doesn't exist. Take Justin Fields and be fine. Take Justin Fields and then draft a quarterback if you feel like you want to, but like there's no way you can bring Russell Wilson back, I would chop off my left testicle. If we bring Russell Wilson back, do it.
Speaker 1:Russell Wilson has stopped existing. He is in a void. He's in a void, he doesn't exist.
Speaker 2:Mike Tomlin. Get a hit and assist on Mike Tomlin and say, hey, russell Wilson doesn't exist, he does not. That's not a real person. Don't let him go somewhere else. Let him go play for the Raiders or something. Don't bring him back by any means.
Speaker 2:Speaking of the Steelers, number seven, fifty nine million dollars in cap space, we got to sign some players. Our defense is like we maybe get a corner, maybe get a corner to help out, help that out, maybe. Maybe another safety, because we had a lot of different safeties, just kind of subbing in on the other side of Minka and then offensive players again, wide receiver help we need Off the line isn't bad. But here's the thing as bad as my Steelers were last year, we have units that I'm like oh, I'm seeing where we're going. I think our offensive line is going to be better next year. I think we have so many guys get after the passer, like we have pieces, but it's just that the important position quarterback, it's not figured out. We need another running back, but again, there's 30 of those dudes in the draft.
Speaker 1:Fun fact, just so you know, a 34-year-old, adrian Peterson, had a 90-yard run for the Redskins. That is longer than any run Najee has had in his entire NFL career.
Speaker 2:I know, but Najee was good but I'm just like I'm done with Najee the longest run in Najee's NFL career is 37 yards. Yes, but Najee has had 1,000 yards in his whole career.
Speaker 1:That's great. Adrian Peterson had one at 34. I know.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to give him his flowers while also saying get the fuck out of here, I'm done, I'm done, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1:He is the most mid-running back I've ever seen in my life. What's his name? He's played for the Bills Devin Singletary. He's Devin Singletary.
Speaker 2:Devin Singletary is more athletic than Benaji Harris.
Speaker 1:He is Devin Singletary is more athletic than Benaji Harris. He is Devin Singletary also has 6,000-yard seasons, but no one was talking about that. He was small and he was slow.
Speaker 2:Benaji.
Speaker 1:Harris is big as fuck and also slow as fuck.
Speaker 2:I am not a fan of Mel Kiper at all.
Speaker 1:I find him very annoying.
Speaker 2:He's a draft guy, right.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, Mel Kiper he made one point that makes total sense because he he does not like taking running backs in the first round at all. Okay, no, sorry he does, he doesn't. Todd McShay doesn't like doing the first round running backs, but he's like the problem with drafting running backs where you're at. If you're going to draft them early on in the first round or in the first round at all, you better make sure every single one of their carries matter. And we didn't do that for Najee Harris.
Speaker 2:We picked the running back in Najee Harris before we had an offensive line that could help him do anything in the NFL. So when he was at his most athletic coming out of Alabama, we spent two years of him just getting beat to shit because our offensive line couldn't block for him. So by the time our offensive line is now getting good, all of Najee Harris' good carries are gone. We wasted what good we had of him because our offensive line wasn't fixed. I think Najee Harris had to pay our price. So now, whatever running back we do end up picking hopefully Quentin John Judkins he will be able to have a great good five, six years as a running back because our offensive line is actually good enough to accentuate what a running back can do, and I think it makes total sense. If you're going to take an Ashton Gentry probably the Cowboys you better make sure your offensive line is going to be good enough to make sure he can do what he has to do.
Speaker 1:I did a look at it over my break today 28 mock drafts. It was 27 mock drafts. Have the Cowboys taken Ashton Gentry at 12.?
Speaker 2:Again. It's such an easy thing, it is almost a done deal. They love their star players. There's no way that It'll sell a shit ton of tickets, jerry Jones loves his star players, it'll sell a shit ton of tickets.
Speaker 1:It will not win you a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:Again and heck their best lineman, just retired today.
Speaker 1:What happened to Ricky Williams? Who is that?
Speaker 2:He's a Texas running back. He got drafted out of Texas and then he had a lot of problems with Weed. When Weed was like truly elite, like truly NFL said no to it. They ended up suspending him and all that. And it has got to a point where he was like I'm done, I don't want to play, no more. And now he makes a ton of money selling.
Speaker 1:Weed now. He was the one with really bad anxiety. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:But he was a very good player. He was awesome. Like I didn't watch him in college because I was a little, I was too young, but if you go back and watch clips, he was a dog.
Speaker 1:He was awesome okay he won the Heisman, didn't he? I don't know, sorry, don't worry about it, we got negated, sorry.
Speaker 2:Ricky Williams, we gotta get this out.
Speaker 1:I know play win a Heisman, or was he up?
Speaker 2:for a Heisman. I think he was up for a Heisman. No, he did win a Heisman, okay 98. He won the Heisman. See Again, I didn't know, but yeah, he was awesome.
Speaker 1:A baby is an understatement.
Speaker 2:You weren't said to yet. Um so, with all that being the case, but yes, if you're in a draft running back early on in the first round, make sure your offensive line is able to make those carries matter. That makes total sense. Again, when the lions did it with getting uh gibbs, what is the offensive line done for gibbs? Gibbs looks like the most explosive running back in the freaking nfl because their office line was ready for a guy like that to be able to come in there and make plays. That mattered, and I think that makes total sense. That's an awesome point and that's the only thing I'll ever give Kuyper, because I hate him. Otherwise I also do not like him.
Speaker 1:I find him annoying. Todd, todd, todd. He's always trying to find his next big like oh, this guy, this guy, this guy was his guy.
Speaker 2:He was the one sucking Will Levis' dick in the draft and he still was like oh I still think there's a chance, will Levis can be good.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, there isn't. There's nothing good about Will Levis. Eight Dallas, because they opened up all that cap space by reworking the contracts at $56 million. Nine LA Rams, $54 million in cap space and then at 10, cincinnatiinnati bangles, they have 52 million dollars in cap space. So how much of that is going to be taken up by jim or chase? He's gonna want 30 and apparently people are saying he might want 40. But if he gets anywhere close to that, there's no way you're getting the other two. But uh, it's just. You know bangles, are they going to use that wisely? Try to go make a winner, and I think burrow is going to have to put guns to all their heads. He's going to have to restructure his contract real quick.
Speaker 2:He'd be willing to, but he has to get a promise that they'll actually take care of business.
Speaker 1:I don't care, he's saying that, dude, restructure first and then go at them with that. You have to restructure first and then go talk to your teammates. So you want them Restructure first. You are blowing smoke.
Speaker 2:There's only one problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If he restructures, the Bengals can just say, oh, you're cheaper now and not use the money on other players, like they said they're going to Again you're Joe Burrow. You know what you do.
Speaker 1:I don't want to play here anymore. Trade me, we're sorry. Here's $35 million, we're sorry. You know what? What is he going to do? Jim Brown will have a heart attack. He will have a heart attack. You ask for a trade.
Speaker 2:I know, but there is nothing.
Speaker 1:Joe Burrow is Cincinnati. Joe Burrow is Cincinnati. Joe Burrow is the Bengals. There is not a single true-blooded Bengal in that stadium. That is not Joe.
Speaker 2:Burrow, I know.
Speaker 1:He is all you have, so you know what you do. If he wants to restructure and y'all don't go sign the players, I bet you, before the end of free agency he's restructured again and y'all are not paying him more money than last time.
Speaker 2:Let me ask this one last question.
Speaker 1:then we can leave, we can be done with the podcast, yeah.
Speaker 2:And answer this question honestly. Yeah, I think all of that works. If you're assuming that the Bengals, the front office and the owner is not okay being bad, I think as long as the Bengals keep making money, their ownership in their front office is okay with being bad. The Chiefs aren't okay with being bad. The Steelers aren't okay with that Almost to a detriment. They're not okay being bad Even if they would give them a short-term. They're a bump. They're so not okay with being bad. They're not willing to help themselves out by potentially getting a top pick to go get their guy right. I think the Bengals are too okay with being bad, which is why I think this may not work.
Speaker 1:I don't think they're okay with it. I think they're used to it. I think there's a difference In the way that I believe teams like the Giants are okay with it. They're okay with being bad Because, regardless, they're going to fill the stands. The Cowboys are okay with being bad. We're going to fill the stands. The Bengals, unfortunately, are one of the smallest market teams in the NFL. If you are bad, your fans will stop watching. Look at the Reds stadium. It sits right next to yours. They can't even sell the. They can't even sell the. See, it's my fucking home plate.
Speaker 2:You need a guy like Elie de la Cruz to come up out of nowhere to get any type of pop.
Speaker 1:And they won't pay him in the next year, right, and they're gonna trade him Like they do every player, and they can't fill the stands. So you're Do you know how many fucking people they can fit in that stadium? You know how they had the fourth biggest stadium in the MLB? Do you know they haven't filled their stadium in 15 years? They've hosted playoff games. They've been to the playoffs. They didn't fill the stadium.
Speaker 1:So the city of Cincinnati don't believe in the Reds, no more. So y'all don't get no fans. You think they won't do the same shit to the Bengals? The Bengals were making the playoffs. That's why people kept believing in them, right?
Speaker 2:They were close and they were on the precipice of doing something We've been in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:You're telling me you're going to have all those players still on your team, you're going to pay none of them. And if Joe Burrow restructures and you don't pay the players?
Speaker 2:Then there's no excuse. The fans will know that y'all were just playing around.
Speaker 1:And that you go out there and be bad again, and then you're bad again.
Speaker 2:It might be the final straw, and then you're bad again.
Speaker 1:And then you're bad again. You're going to have to sell the team or you're going to have to die you 87, bro. No one's going to notice if you run the steps. I agree with you. I believe the Bengals organization are so used to being bad, they're okay with being bad. But I also believe that Joe Burrow ain't okay with being bad.
Speaker 2:He's not.
Speaker 1:And again, let's say he does this for two years, he will ball it and be like I'm done, I want out of Cincinnati. And if that happens, unfortunately I don't think Joe Burrow is the kind of person you could change his mind no, once he's done with. Cincinnati. He's done with Cincinnati right yeah, and if y'all let another player like that, y'all let Carson Palmer walk and that didn't go well, right? I know old Bengals fans that still don't forget me for that heck, andy Dalton.
Speaker 2:You waste away Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton was pretty good. He was good for a good while.
Speaker 1:Andy Dalton led the league in yards twice. We went to the playoffs several times.
Speaker 2:Did have AJ Green, so definitely it was a little bit easier, but we went to the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Several times you had a coach that couldn't close and you kept him. He was cheap.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If y'all let a guy like Joe Burrow walk. Joe Burrow is truly the second best quarterback in the NFL. No one can deny me that fact. Most people can't deny that fact, they can say, oh, he doesn't do as well as this, this and this, and I'm like, well, yeah, compared to who? Well, patrick Mahomes. I'm like, all right, who else? Oh, he's not as good as Lamar Jackson. Lamar's in his division, joe Burrow's, top of the division twice. Lamar couldn't beat him once. Oh, josh Allen.
Speaker 2:Get the fuck out of my face. I was waiting for you to mention Josh Allen.
Speaker 1:Get out of my face 42-17. Get out of my face, walk home, I like it. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Look, I truly believe what you were saying. Yeah, I think they're okay With being bad, because they're used To being bad. Unfortunately, you have a lot of fans that we've been good. Yeah, a Super Bowl. We tasted a Super Bowl, right? Fans didn't. I didn't know how to act. You couldn't tell me. Act like you've been here before you're just motherfucking. 60 years old, I've never been here before right, yeah, and you're gonna take that from us right yeah, I just see like my brain.
Speaker 2:I just see like joe burrow being like batman trying to convince joker to stop what he's doing, and joker's like I'm like I want you to kill me. There is no explaining because I'm so set in my ways I want the worst thing to happen. I'm cool with chaos. I agree Joe Burrow's trying to talk sense into a team that doesn't know, what sense is? That's the part I'm scared of. I don't want to see Joe Burrow not doing anything with his career. He's too good.
Speaker 2:I completely agree. I also believe in the next five years.
Speaker 1:Jim Brown's going to die. That's the hope. That's the hope. So, unfortunately, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:Hopefully one of your fuck-ass sons don't take over. Apparently he has a granddaughter or something that's getting really involved and she wants to spend money. Apparently she gets involved with the front office. She wants to kind of take those next steps.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the granddaughter of his daughter who also wants to spend money. I follow her on Twitter, by the way. She be saying some fuck shit and it's wild as fuck it is funny as shit.
Speaker 2:White lady from Cincinnati. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1:No, I mean like about other teams. Oh, she's popping off. I see Fly Eagles 5, fuck Kansas City.
Speaker 2:What the fuck? That's crazy Hate runs deep.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. That's crazy work.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:It just If we don't make the playoffs again and you don't pay any of these guys. That's crazy work. Oh man, that's crazy. If we don't make the playoffs again and you don't pay any of these guys, we'll know soon. You're cooked.
Speaker 2:Dude, you are cooked All right by.
Speaker 1:Monday. We'll know by Monday.
Speaker 2:Monday is when they can start tampering, so most deals are done before free agency actually starts. So we'll know very soon and we'll be doing another podcast next week to talk about all of it as it hits. Hopefully nothing too big happens in the next couple of days to kind of make me want to kill myself that we did it. So do that podcast right now. So we'll be back next week.
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Speaker 1:Thank you for listening today. Thank you for always listening today. Thank you guys for always listening. You guys have a nice day and a nice night. Goodbye, y'all.
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