NFL Draft Review: Will Teams take Steps Forward or Back, Shedeur Sanders Slide Convo

The NBA playoffs are heating up as we witness Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves make a stunning statement by eliminating LeBron's Lakers in five games. What does this result tell us about the league's shifting power dynamics and team-building strategies? The Wolves' youth, size, and athleticism overwhelmed an aging Lakers squad, highlighting how internal development might be replacing superstar acquisitions as the preferred path to contention.

Meanwhile, the NFL Draft delivered its share of surprises, none bigger than Shadeur Sanders' dramatic slide to the fifth round. Despite being widely regarded as the second-best quarterback prospect, Sanders' fall revealed how NFL teams viewed his preparation, attitude, and the potential media circus surrounding him. We dive deep into which teams capitalized on draft weekend (Panthers, Texans, Cardinals) and which teams left fans scratching their heads (looking at you, Bengals).

Our detailed breakdown of the Bengals' and Steelers' draft classes sparked passionate debate about team-building philosophies and whether Cincinnati missed crucial opportunities to address defensive needs. When discussing quarterback comparisons between Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud, things get heated as we examine what separates elite signal-callers from merely good ones.

The episode culminates with our "Steps Forward or Back" segment where we project every NFL team's trajectory for the upcoming season. Will the Texans continue their ascent? Can the Lions build on last year's breakthrough? Are the 49ers heading for regression? Our predictions might surprise you – and provide valuable insight for your football conversations in the months ahead. 

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NBA Playoff Updates and Matchups

Speaker 1 0:10

Welcome back to the podcast. Today's Friday, may the 2nd, we're back to the podcast.

Speaker 2 0:16

We back folks. We have a week a week out from without a week out, but a week past the draft for last week. Nba playoffs are still going on, baseball is baseball. And right now again, well, not a week out, but a week past the draft for last week, nba playoffs are still going on, baseball is baseballing. Right now, again, it's a. They're 160 something. Games in this season, 162. So, with that funny, how do they get to 162? It's just a weird number. It's not a round number, I don't know, that's just a weird number to have. It's not like. I guess nba basketball is 82, so I guess it's not the only sport that has a weird amount of games but who?

Speaker 2 0:50

knows. Um, sorry, had a little bit of off off, uh, off, thought there plenty of stuff to talk about. We're here, me and jay is here to talk about it draft recap, nba buzz where it's at right now, and uh, that'll be about it. So let's go ahead and jump in. Nba I don't have too much to talk about, but I just kind of wanted to give an update as to where the playoffs are right now. I have been watching plenty of the games. We'll start with the Minnesota Timberwolves Taking out the Lakers Five games. Not everybody else did.

Speaker 1 1:23

Why wouldn't you? Lebron's old as fuck, yeah, but they had Luka, so you, I expected that Not everybody else did, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 1:25

LeBron's old as fuck, yeah, but they had Luka. So you're sitting there like, okay, you have Luka, and then you have LeBron Even though he's old, he's still playing very good.

Speaker 1 1:34

This just means Luka has the same amount of help.

Speaker 2 1:36

he didn't Honestly think that his team around him was better last year than what he had this year.

Speaker 1 1:41

Who Luka? Oh, on the Mavs.

Speaker 2 1:44

Yeah, yeah I agree, they had the big. They actually had centers that can play out there on the court, which is something that the Lakers apparently couldn't do. He had a good teammate in Kyrie Irving that can get the ball and play offensively Defense not as big of a help as LeBron, but at least Kyrie can play the whole game without necessarily you know losing it Cause he's not 40 years old.

Speaker 1 2:05

Defense yeah, he's not lacking on on he's not lacking overall as a player LeBron, you can see he's just sluggish out there.

Speaker 2 2:11

Well, he can play 40 minutes without necessarily worried about hey, two days from now you're gonna be able to play again. So that's like build around a little better. But this year this team with the lakers, him being traded there, them not having any type of centers you can throw out there was definitely the fact they have jackson hayes and they decided, hey, he's so bad, we're not even gonna throw him out there dude, I think that was crazy.

Speaker 1 2:34

Is that jj reddick legit? Was like I got?

Speaker 2 2:36

four players.

Speaker 1 2:37

I could play all game.

Speaker 2 2:39

Yeah, that was crazy again, it's not anything crazy, not not anything groundbreaking, that you're like superstar players don't come out in the second half of the fourth quarter, but the fact that he had his starting five, he had five players in for the whole second half, was absolutely insane. Every single minute, which is like I don't know. I think I would like to say it's on him. But I also think the fact that they don't have a team built that they can trust to bring in other players but again, that's how the nba, the new nba, cba, works is that? Hey, you, when you want you, once you have two super max players, it's very hard to build a team outside of that and it's really yeah, or you have to be very smart about the players you bring in.

Speaker 2 3:19

Heck. They had a trade for the mark williams guy from charlotte and and they nixed because of his physical. He was on Twitter talking trash about oh they should have taken me, maybe they would have, because Rudy Gobert had his best game he's probably ever had as a pro in that last game because he had 27 points and 24 rebounds. He was unstoppable because they kept playing that zone and guess what? Rudy Gobert is sitting right there next to the basket like, hey, I tall seven two man right here, throw it to me and I'll dunk it. And it was just working. And anthony edwards was great in this throughout that series and he was ready for the smoke he did. He did his thing and that whole team was very well built and they're just young enough they're well rounded.

Speaker 1 3:59

Uh, real quick. They got rid of cat and they got better yeah um, but that's funny. So do the knicks, so I don't understand. Y'all legit swap players and both got better. So you know what it worked out. Cat for julius randall. I was like that's the craziest trade in my life and I was like you know julius randall's doing great julius randall was awesome.

Speaker 2 4:16

He was taking on the bra most of the game offensively and he was like, yeah, I'm gonna keep scoring. He kept he's scoring 20 points a night practically, and it was just like they were young, I think. I think nobody wanted to give the, the timberwolves, that much credit, but they're the much younger team, they're more athletic, they have the size. Rudy gobert finally showed up offensively in that last game to finish it off. But they decided everything the lakers didn't have and I think a lot of people didn't necessarily think that because they're just like oh, luca on, lebron's gonna be enough, and it's not the case. You need a team. Maybe if lebron was five years younger it'd be a totally separate scenario was four years younger, it'd be a different scenario.

Speaker 2 4:55

But it's just like he does. He's not and they haven't played all that game. In that game four, where they had them play all those minutes and it didn't, they didn't get the. The game five was pretty much a done deal because the Lakers came into that game five flat. So I don't know it's a whole thing, but the Timberwolves are a very scary team. It looks like they're going to end up playing whoever wins between the Rockets and Warriors tonight in the game seven. I'm going to smoke either of those teams.

Speaker 1 5:28

I think the Warriors could probably win that series, but they definitely smoked the rockets.

Speaker 2 5:33

How? How do the warriors win that series? I think draymond is the. Obviously he's not a center but he plays center minutes and he knows how to get under the skin defensively and he just, I think he's that good defensively. I just think, even if he doesn't give you offensively what these when he's a defensive demon and they have jimmy butler too. So like they, so like.

Speaker 2 5:50

With all of that together they can win a series like that against timberwolves my brain was like it's draymond, and then steph curry and who steph, hasn't really played all that well throughout this series, but like, if they manage to get to the timberwolves, steph can easily light it up and then win a whole series for them. That boy, jimmy Butler, is a dog, but no, I just think that the Warriors could do it. I think the Rockets are just too young and offensively they're just not consistent at all, other than Shang-Goon, that's pretty much it. He's really good he is, but he does not like when somebody actually plays defense against him, which is why Draymond gets under his skin. When Draymond gets under his skin when Draymond's out there, he's scared to do anything. When Draymond isn't out there, he's going crazy. Nobody can stop him.

Speaker 2 6:33

But yeah, that'll be a very fun series whenever the Rockets and Warriors figure out who that's going to be. If it's the Warriors, I think it'll give. Why am I forgetting the player's name, anthony Edwards. It's going to give him a chance to take out another all-time great on his run to really make a name for himself to be one of the faces in the NBA. Because again everybody's saying can he be the face?

Speaker 1 6:57

And I'm like the face he doesn't want to be.

Speaker 2 6:59

He doesn't want to be that. But I also think you have to start giving some type of respect to the two Celtics guys who? Why do you have to do this to me? You know, I wasn't remembering their names, tatum.

Speaker 1 7:16

You have to give some respect to Tatum and Brown. There we go.

Speaker 2 7:19

Brown not as much, but I think, tatum, you have to start giving them a little bit of credit here. No, fuck that nigga, they do too much winning.

Speaker 1 7:25

Where? But I think, tatum, you have to start giving them a little bit of credit here.

Speaker 2 7:27

No, fuck that nigga, they do too much winning. Oh, where's your final MVP?

Speaker 1 7:29

at. You're not wrong. I'm sorry they don't do too much winning the team does, but that team's built to where anybody can score 30 a night, so how needed are you niggas?

Speaker 2 7:40

They're needed. Are you Tatum's scoring almost 30 a night? They're needed. Are you Tatum scoring almost 30 a night. Yeah, yeah, so is fucking Al Horford, but he's not though.

Speaker 1 7:49

Legit. He's not Legit. This nigga has scored multiple 30-point games. No he hasn't In this season. Yes, he has, Because this team is built to. Anybody can score 30. Anyone can score 30.

Speaker 2 8:03

Again, this is probably the last Version of that team we're going to see. Their ownership group is sold. They don't want to start paying the money to pay all these players.

Speaker 1 8:11

Because the amount of money they made in tickets Only covers two contracts.

Speaker 2 8:15

Oh yeah, the money they made Is not going to cover the money that they're going to end up paying in contracts next year.

Speaker 1 8:20

And they saw that and they were like Now fuck that, we're out.

Speaker 2 8:23

Yeah, no question, but yeah, so I give them some credit to tatum and I think I think to a certain degree everybody's starving for the next face of the league, because we had jordan, kobe and then lebron for the last 20 years and then now we're like, hey, if lebron, steph and kd are all in their late 30s once they leave, who we got? I do understand that and I think n NBA probably needs that a little bit more than the NFL does.

Speaker 1 8:48

The.

Speaker 2 8:49

NFL, the teams are worth even more than the players. They are the Bengals, ain't True, but specifically not. But again, once Joe Burrow retires the Bengals don't die.

Speaker 1 9:02

Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 9:04

The team doesn't die. They keep going on. It might as well Again, heck Tom Brady once he left, as crazy as it was.

Speaker 1 9:16

The Chiefs goes back into obscurity. Yeah, maybe Possibly While that nigga's playing and on the Chiefs they can't draft his replacement.

Speaker 2 9:21

But guess what the NFL's still gonna be that as popular because, guess what, they don't want to put that much stock into any one player Again, as great as Patrick Mahomes was, once he's gone, they're like, hey, we still have other players too. It's always going to be the laundry before the player. It is what it is. It's the truth. As much as I was heartbroken fan ever since, even though they've kind of haven't done anything, I'm still here. So in your heck, you were going through all those bad years with the Bengals and now you found your Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 9:48

They actually weren't bad years. There was a lot of 14 and two years, 11 and um, 11 and four.

Speaker 2 9:54

Yeah, but that's bad, in the same way that my team is bad, because you're like they were equal to the Chicago Bulls at the time.

Speaker 1 10:02

They were going to get to the first round and get bounced, yeah, but they weren't bad. It was fun to watch.

Speaker 2 10:08

True. And then it was heartbreaking. When they finally happened. I knew what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 10:11

Yeah, we had five more wins than the Steelers that year and they still body.

Speaker 2 10:15

Yeah, and then you guys shot yourselves in the foot there at the end.

Speaker 1 10:19

Because, fucking Perfect, I am in the car, you are texting me. He's like he's still talking. You were like Perfect has racked up 75 yards of penalties in one play. Yep, that nigga was cut after the game I thought that was the funniest shit in the world.

Speaker 2 10:36

He was gone the day after the game Can't have it happen, can't.

Speaker 1 10:39

Because you lost us that game. You guys weren't in field goal range yet. No, we weren't, even when he killed Antonio Brown. Yeah, y'all still weren't in field goal range.

Speaker 2 10:47

And your best receiver was out, and then he had to talk after that, and that's what finally put him into field goal range and they added him more and he kept talking and ref was like fuck it, Do his hat. And I was like oh, through that, and you finally made it to Joe Burrow and you're like now you're in a different universe.

Speaker 1 11:03

I'm kind of in the same spot, but worse.

Speaker 2 11:05

Now we're getting even closer, yeah, but at least you have your made man that you can put all your hope and faith in and it amounts to nothing. True.

Speaker 1 11:13

I'm about to go watch another fucking 9-8 season.

Speaker 2 11:16

We'll get to that We'll get there Again. The NBA kind of needs that face of the league and I'm hoping Anthony Edwards is kind of that guy. We'll just talk about the other series. Cavs Pacers are going to end up playing each other. Pacers beat the Bucs in 4-1. They took care of them pretty. I felt bad for Giannis that last game against the Pacers. He had 30 points, 20 rebounds and like 13 assists, something like that. He was a monster. And then you have Halliburton's dad coming up to you after the game talking like this is what we do, this is what we do. And I'm sitting there like okay, I understand why, because that was a whole. It led to like a whole skirmish after the game. Giannis was crashing out. It was like a whole thing.

Speaker 1 11:59

Get the fuck out of my face fuck out of my face.

Speaker 2 12:04

Who are you? Oh, I understand he didn't know. But apparently yana said he didn't know he was, which I believe him. I don't think he'd lie. He didn't know he was until he finally started figuring out like oh, you're halliburton's dad and he. They asked him after, like why would?

Speaker 1 12:12

you have such a reaction?

Speaker 2 12:13

and he's like it's about respect my dad. Even when he was alive he was never trying to be on the court. I don't like. I totally understand that. I actually agree with it, and Especially when I was the best player out here the whole series I just had no help. So when your dad comes looking, at me.

Speaker 1 12:29

Dame was abysmal in that series.

Speaker 2 12:31

Well, Dame didn't play.

Speaker 1 12:32

I know, but even when he was playing he was coming off the heart murmur, not the heart murmur.

Speaker 2 12:35

It was like a blood clot. And then he came out for like two games, and he tore his Achilles Real quick. He probably retires this year too. He doesn't retire, but he's going to be gone all season next year.

Speaker 1 12:45

Dude, he's going to retire what Dame's? Probably 34 too. Yeah, he's somewhere around there, he was drafted a little before Steph, no, after Steph, I think he was drafted a little after Steph, because Steph's 37. He's older than you think, steph played yeah dame only played two. Yeah, so I think he's he's just.

Speaker 2 13:05

He's just a little one or two years after his death. He's like him and kairi are like you're right there in the same like 34 I think he was in the same draft as kairi so but I, yannis is crazy, like I don't totally understand yannis, like having a crash on moment.

Speaker 2 13:17

He's like I just did everything I did here and I'm having his dad come up in my face and I'm like I get, I'd freak out to a certain degree, I understand Halliburton and his dad because they're like, because remember the whole thing where they're talking about how Halliburton was the most overrated player in the NBA, which I which is crazy, because Halliburton's very good and so the Patriots have been a young team. So I get the idea of like no, if I was gonna fight for my guy, I have to, but like's not your place, you're not out there playing basketball. And Halliburton came out after the game and he was like, how, how crazy is it that you have to disavow your own father? I don't agree with anything he did. It was I wish he would just let me play basketball and like, I totally understand that and it's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 13:57

I assume Rihanna says if Giannis wants to get traded after this, like can you blame him if he wants to go and try to, because they're not able to do anything to build around him? So if he really wants to decide to go get traded somewhere else and try to go win, like I don't think anybody can walk, you be mad about it, but at all, because he's, he's done everything he can so he doesn't think on the lakers next year lakers can't make that happen unless lebron.

Speaker 2 14:19

Lebron does an opt-out thing. So if he opts out and they decide, hey, lebron, we're just not gonna, they don't have anything trade for him, they have no draft picks. But think about if houston trades for rihanna's.

Speaker 1 14:31

That would be crazy you know they'd end up in the same spot. They never give up all their young players but they have a surplus of them.

Speaker 2 14:36

They don't even play all of their good young players because they have like, because they just don't like play. They have so many they're like close to oklah. Oklahoma City is like a supercharged version because they just had so many draft picks for 10 years.

Speaker 1 14:47

They still do. They still do. They have a ton of draft picks. They have three first round picks next year. They have picks all the way out to 2028. I'm like dude, you guys got bags upon them.

Speaker 2 14:58

Stop using that towards something. If you went to Oklahoma City, if Oklahoma City, for some reason, it doesn't work out this year, even though they're the best they've ever been, what if Giannis goes to a place like that where they have a ton of picks and players I would say best they've ever been. Ever since they had KD and KD. James Harden and Russell.

Speaker 1 15:18

Westbrook. They just met the babyface assassin, and that nigga was hemmy yeah.

Speaker 2 15:25

That was 2015, 2015, and he just went out there shooting the lights out and apparently that might be a place potentially. Kevin Durant going back to Oklahoma City would be kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 15:30

He's probably done at that point then.

Speaker 2 15:33

Yeah, but he's not. They already said he wants to get traded. He's going to be traded. So if he can just go be the offensive guy and he can go with Oklahoma City like a made man team and real quick.

Speaker 2 15:42

the Suns had the biggest downfall of ever in my life, so bad and I was one of the people that were like very excited for all the moves they made and it blew up because again it just doesn't work anymore. If you can't, you need to have an all around team. Think about all the good teams. Right now it has teams that built from within draft picks and then they have really cultivated that Cavs, the Thunder, the Pacers, the Knicks to a certain degree they traded for Cat, but everybody else, Everybody else they did cultivate.

Speaker 2 16:08

For the most part, the Celtics, the Rockets, timberwolves, all of it. Man, it's just like you can't just build yourself a super team anymore. No, you have to have one or two.

Speaker 1 16:17

Heck, the Warriors are still just pieces of that. You have one really good player and then a second option. Yeah, get a player and then a second option yeah, and then a bunch of defense will be very cheap, or they said to be very cheap. You have a bunch of role player guys who are consistent. Um, like the knicks have josh hart, did you watch the knicks?

Speaker 2 16:31

series I. I watched this. I watched a little bit of every game. I didn't watch the full game. Did you see the?

Speaker 1 16:37

blatant foul and the on tim hardaway. Yes, it altered the fuck out of his shot.

Speaker 2 16:42

They they didn't call. They didn't call it Insane, insane, how they didn't call that was crazy. I was talking to Fonzo, our stepdad, who's a big Knicks fan. I didn't see anything. I'm like come on, dude, he's there with a big smile on his face. Again, it doesn't matter, they ended up winning the series.

Speaker 1 16:59

But stuff like that.

Speaker 2 17:00

He would have. He would have three. All he would do is make two of them. He would have won the game. Knicks Celtics are going to be playing in the next round. That game that's game one starts in a couple days. Cavs Pacers will be playing.

Speaker 2 17:13

The Cavs are still sitting because they beat the Heat 4-0. The Heat had nothing for them. The Cavs just kind of played around four games. Thunder is still sitting. They've been sitting for the longest because they took care of the grizzlies pretty easily. Nuggets clippers are still going. I think their game is going to be tomorrow. That game is probably the closest one in the whole first round. That game's going to game seven. So with that being the case, I don't know that can go either way. Yoka just kind of carrying a team that's like he's way too much, he's way too good and that team isn't really great around him, but he's doing everything he can. The Nuggets are just playing good basketball and the Clippers Kawhi's playing great. Harden is still playing pretty good and they just have a bunch of wing players that can do their thing.

Speaker 1 17:55

I watch the Nuggets and watch them have a Westbrook play.

Speaker 2 17:59

Some games he's great, other games he's like awful I know, but defensively he's been playing his heart out.

Speaker 1 18:04

It's been a lot of fun to watch.

NFL Draft: The Shadeur Sanders Story

Speaker 2 18:06

What's crazy is that they're so inconsistent. They potentially need him to play off, be able to do something offensively, and that's where things start going wrong. It's a whole thing, but that's where we're at with basketball. Nothing else more to talk about. As we go in the next few weeks, going into the championship games, the NBA Finals, we'll talk about it, but let's go and talk about football now so we can stop being as bored as we are. Watching the games isn't boring, but talking about it is just like ugh. I'm like there's so much more to happen. It's just an old thing, but that's what that is. So NFL Draft happened. How do you want to attack this? Do you want to just do a couple of great drafts that you thought were good, or do you want to do like end of the couple bad drafts? We can talk about the Shador thing, because that based on what happened last time we recorded. We were recording to the end of the second round. We had no idea it was going to keep going.

Speaker 1 19:00

For two days.

Speaker 2 19:02

For two days. He didn't get drafted until the fifth round. Let's start with this Shador thing Real quick. Let's get that out the way.

Speaker 1 19:08

That had to have been like the owners all together. All right, you want to see something funny? You're not bigger than us.

Speaker 2 19:14

I don't think that. I don't think it was a collision, my nigga fifth round pick.

Speaker 1 19:18

He's the second best quarterback in the draft.

Speaker 2 19:20

You I mean Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Milrow are better, gabriel, I understand him, jalen Milrow. If Jalen Milrow works out, he's better.

Speaker 1 19:28

Jalen Milrow, we're talking. Everybody can agree. Chador is the best, second best quarterback in that draft Right to start out with yes. Jackson Dart was the second quarterback drafted.

Speaker 2 19:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:40

Yeah. That nigga's a combine savant, because he is ass. Stop it. Who are his best games against?

Speaker 2 19:53

I want you to pull it up for me. Joe jackson dart uh-huh he was, if he played in the sec oh, that's not his best games weren't against sec teams.

Speaker 1 20:00

I can confirm that with you right now. My nigga, I just up for you.

Speaker 2 20:06

I think Jackson Dart's problem is that he's coming from an offense that they it's very hey, I'm going to scheme this up for you make the right throw kind of close to what Tennessee does. How's his name spelled? J-a-x, j-a-x.

Speaker 1 20:19

S-O-N.

Speaker 2 20:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:23

I'll pull up a stat for you.

Speaker 2 20:23

I think it's J-A-X-S-O-N.

Speaker 1 20:27

I need you to know.

Speaker 2 20:29

His best game Right now? Do I think he's a better quarterback than Shador? No, but I think if you have to translate that out To what they'll be five years from now, who would you put money on being the better, better quarterback in the NFL?

Speaker 1 20:42

Shador.

Speaker 2 20:43

I'd put on Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 20:44

Jackson Dart is a project.

Speaker 2 20:45

I told you when we were doing this last podcast is that the best you can think from Shador is that he can be. I was thinking, geno, and you were comparing him to freaking Kirk Cousins, jackson Dart. If he works out, he can be a shorter Josh Allen, he can be a Joe Burrow type. That is what he has the arm. He has the physical ability to be able to run like he has. He does all of those things right. It's just can you get him in between the ears? That, and that's the big question, that's something they're gonna have to figure out.

Speaker 2 21:16

I think the Giants are pretty heck. They made Daniel Jones look as good as he did for a little bit there a good enough to where they thought they could pay him 40 million dollars. I think Jackson Dard's actually talented enough. I just think they have to make sure they can get the offense into those brain and, like, really figure it out. I think it helps that they don't have to play him for a year because they have Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston. It's hilarious thing about those their starting quarterbacks, but like if they don't have to play plan for a year and they really can just sit here and be like, hey, you're just going to sit and you're going to learn the offense for a year and figure it out. I think that's a much better way to do. If you're going to spend a first-round pick on a quarterback, I'd rather spend it on Jackson Darth than Shador Sanders.

Speaker 2 21:57

I think it's what the NFL said. I think the NFL made that abundantly clear that, hey, there's only about eight teams. I need to draft a quarterback. And then, when he decided, when shador and his team dion decides to play it like they did, when it was talked about him going to the giants meeting and not being prepared and how he acted when he was doing those meetings, we're like, hey, I don't, I don't need to be here. You turn off the eight teams that potentially need you down to four and and the next thing you know, you're sitting there sliding and I think by the time you start getting to the third, fourth, fifth round, now the teams are like, hey, we're drafting him to be our backup.

Speaker 1 22:34

All right, you ready.

Speaker 2 22:35

Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 1 22:37

Hold on, let me check one thing first. All right, yeah, they were hot ass. Cool Wanted to double check. You want to guess who his best games were against?

Speaker 2 22:47

What were his best games against?

Speaker 1 22:52

Furman, Georgia, Southern Duke and Arkansas. He did nothing against South Carolina. He did jack shit against LSU. He did a touchdown against Mississippi State. That was about it. 2-2 against Georgia, 2-2 against. Florida 1-1 against Georgia. 1-0 against Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 23:20

That's not just him, that's a team thing.

Speaker 1 23:24

So they throw the interceptions for him. Type shit.

Speaker 2 23:28

He had 27 interceptions over his college career.

Speaker 1 23:30

It doesn't change the fact that his best games were against his worst competition.

Speaker 2 23:34

Can you look up Shador's total stats for his seasons at Colorado? I'm not going to talk about just his couple seasons at Colorado, please.

Speaker 1 23:42

Because I have Jackson Darts stats.

Speaker 2 23:46

And again, I'm not saying the stats, hard stats really matter, but I think it's an overall thing that I kind of want to make a point, I hate how ESPN gets rid of it when they get drafted in the NFL. Just go to freaking. Just look it up on Google and it'll go to like the football reference.

Speaker 1 24:03

PFF has that.

Speaker 2 24:04

Football reference has it.

Speaker 1 24:06

I was able to look up Jackson Darts pretty easily. I use PFF for everything, let me know when you're ready.

Speaker 2 24:14

I'll just say here's his stats, while you're going For his career stats, and this includes his first year at USC, where he played six games, but he played three seasons at Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 24:25

He doesn't have his games broken up.

Speaker 2 24:28

But for his career he had 65% completion percentage. He threw for 11,970 yards, 81 touchdowns, 27 interceptions.

Speaker 1 24:39

How many?

Speaker 2 24:40

81.

Speaker 1 24:42

How many receptions?

Speaker 2 24:43

27.

Speaker 1 24:46

And Shador's two years.

Speaker 2 24:48

Okay.

Speaker 1 24:49

He threw, he had a 71% completion percentage. Huh 7,364 yards, 64 touchdowns, 13 interceptions.

Speaker 2 24:59

That's pretty similar to me.

Speaker 1 25:01

Shador has two less years. Jackson Dart had played four.

Speaker 2 25:06

He played three total years at Ole Miss Okay.

Speaker 1 25:09

Starting Meaning one more year.

Speaker 2 25:11

Shador started from his freshman year.

Speaker 1 25:13

Not.

Speaker 2 25:15

Yes, but he played two years at Colorado. Which conference is easier to play in? Is it going to be the Big 12 or is it going to be in the SEC? Again, I'm not saying the SEC is the god of all things, but they're much more talented.

Speaker 1 25:29

Name all the good defenses in the SEC.

Speaker 2 25:32

Georgia. Yeah, but also how many players? The SEC has the shittiest defenses in the world, but they have NFL players all over the place.

Speaker 2 25:41

And shitty defenses but they have NFL players all over the place and shitty defenses that part. They're better game by game than the Big 12 is no questions asked From team to team because there's NFL players all over the place. Do you know how many players got drafted out of the SEC and the Big 10 in comparison to the other three? The SEC had 79 players drafted. The Big 10 had 79 players drafted. That Big Ten had 71 players drafted and the other two powered four conferences combined didn't have as much as either one of those two.

Speaker 1 26:13

The Big Ten had how many 71.

Speaker 2 26:17

So, like there's NFL players all over the place, again, there's some problems with Jackson Hart too. Again, none of these guys outside of Ward is really like they're all going to have their bumps and their bumps and everything, and again, even Ward does, but I just think he has a ceiling that none of these other guys can have. So I'm just saying with Shador, they overplayed their hand. He thought he was coming in as a top five guy when he was really a second or third round guy and then when he played it like he did with those teams, now they're like hey, we don't really need you that much, why we're going to come in and draft.

Speaker 2 26:51

A problem, a potential problem and again, that's not even including the Dion part is that he can come and after a Colorado game that he's coaching, he has a platform where he can like hey, they're not playing my son, right, and that causes a whole ruckus, because whatever Deion does makes an issue, and I think it's what you still have to worry about. But again, I don't think Shador ever thought of himself as a guy that could be not a top quarterback and I think he and Deion played their hand wrong at that point. I'm not saying he should have been a fifth-round pick. Obviously he should have been a second-round pick, second or third.

Speaker 1 27:27

Dude, pick 33 is what he should have been.

Speaker 2 27:29

Yeah, for sure, and I think the Browns made it look much worse when they drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round.

Speaker 1 27:37

And then turned around and took Shador in the fifth. The fact he was a third-round pick fucking insane.

Speaker 2 27:41

Dylan Gabriel should have been a sixth, seventh-round pick, but the Browns are stupid.

Speaker 1 27:45

He should not have been drafted way before Will Howard. I'm sorry, I don't give a fuck what anybody says. Will Howard is leagues better than he is.

Speaker 2 27:50

And this also makes my case. If you had to project who can be a better quarterback in the NFL, I would take Will Howard, over most of those quarterbacks that are drafted before him outside of Ward. He has the size, he has the arm, he's played plenty of football and everybody says, oh, you play with Ohio State players, but again, you're going to go play with NFL players at the next level. So I'm just sitting here like if you're going to bet on somebody's upside. I'd take Will Howard again. He went to the Steelers so I get to have that moment, but still, I just think that, like all these quarterbacks have issues. This is not last year's quarterback class, where there are like four legit guys.

Speaker 1 28:31

Okay, In order. Kyle McCord was drafted before.

Speaker 2 28:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:37

The fuck.

Speaker 2 28:38

I don't get it. He has a rifle. His arm is a literal cannon.

Speaker 1 28:43

But like he doesn't have that dog, he doesn't have that dog. He was a seventh-round pick.

Speaker 2 28:50

You know what's funny? He might have been a seventh-round pick, but am I crazy for saying he might have ended up in a spot where he could really succeed?

Speaker 1 28:58

He ends up in the best spot, probably out of anybody else in the draft Besides maybe, jalen Milrow.

Speaker 2 29:05

He can sit. They have a starter quarterback for a while, if he works out.

Speaker 1 29:08

The Seahawks are a great place for him to land. Hey, you just have to sit here.

Speaker 2 29:11

Which is why I understand the Seahawks taking him, because I'm like he's a lottery ticket that if he scratches off, if it comes up right, it's elite. It's elite. He can be the best quarterback in this whole draft, I agree, which is why I understand the Seahawks taking him and not taking a guy like Shador.

Speaker 1 29:26

Okay, what the Seahawks are doing makes more sense, because I feel like they are more like hey, we're not done building what we need to, especially on the O-line.

Speaker 2 29:34

They just paid him. Don't do this to me, you can do it. They paid the quarterback. Oh no, this sucks.

Speaker 1 29:46

Went to USC? Yes, he did. Drafted by the.

Speaker 2 29:48

Jets, nope, no. Why do I do this to myself? He just played.

Speaker 1 29:57

For the Vikings.

Speaker 2 29:57

Vikings. It's A, b, c, d, e, f, g, what, what? Come on. Come on, dude. Well, no, no, Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 30:14

God, there it is Blessed. That was one of my worst Goddamn stroke, yeah.

Speaker 2 30:19

They signed Sam Darnold. He's going to be their starter for the next few years and they can just say, hey, you can sit, you can learn, get your accuracies under control, and like it's a good situation and it's a good lottery ticket. I think it helps both sides there because he doesn't have to play right away, he can learn and all of that. But I'm like I just don't think. Like when people started talking about collusion with Shador, it was just crazy to me. He wasn't that good Because somebody made this point and it made total sense. I think you got the latest like the late Tim Tebow right when he was like he wasn't really a quarterback but he ended up going to the Jets and they're like, oh, we're going to use him as a tight end. And then the media, circus happened, they ended up dropping him. Circus happened, they ended up dropping him. When you're tim tebow and think about, think about the last quarterback that comes in with this much notoriety I think joe burrow, but before that it's tim like I like tim, like can newton and tim tebow like those are the guys that came in with that much cachet. But tim tebow is crazy because he has like all the all, like the crazy religious people. Right, if you come in with that much, that much of a media presence about you and I have all these media people coming in questioning everything because they're such big fans of tim tebow, do you want that as your backup quarterback? Potentially that will never be your starter.

Speaker 2 31:36

That's where chador was, that, I believe, when it came to. Once he started getting to a point where he was a third round pick, a fourth round pick, a fifth round pick. It's like hey, why would I take him if whatever starter I have is going to be questioned at every point because everybody wants shador to start? I just, I just think there's a lot of problems going into that. I just think that it can be a little bit of both. It's the nfl telling you that he's not as good as everybody thought he was, and I also think it's the media's fault for making everybody believe he was a first-round pick when he really wasn't. And it's Shador and freaking Dion's fault for letting him go into those situations thinking he was that guy when he wasn't.

Speaker 1 32:15

Hey, real quick, can we just the Panthers?

Speaker 2 32:19

Awesome Panthers.

Speaker 1 32:20

Pretty good draft. They had a good draft. They drafted two receivers, a tight end I might have been a fan of Tep McMillan. But like.

Speaker 2 32:28

If anybody needed him. They did Two receivers.

Speaker 1 32:30

Receivers are receivers and they took the guy Out of Ole Miss?

Speaker 2 32:36

No, they took the guy From Sanford.

Speaker 1 32:38

No, they took the dude From Ole Miss 5'8 real fast.

Speaker 2 32:41

Oh no they took the dude from Ole Miss 5'8" real fast.

Speaker 1 32:43

Oh, I might be crazy. My bad, the only thing I didn't see him do. Oh, the Bengals are so smart. They signed a center from OSU right after the draft. The day after the draft they signed him.

Speaker 2 32:51

Great pick, great pick up.

Speaker 1 32:53

Our center was fucking ass.

Speaker 2 32:55

He'll be able to play.

Speaker 1 32:56

They signed.

Speaker 2 32:57

I think the only reason he wasn't drafted was his injury.

Speaker 1 33:00

Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 33:00

He should have been drafted Like there's no question. He should have been drafted.

Speaker 1 33:03

Dude, he was the best center.

Speaker 2 33:05

He won the award for the best center in college football last year and we got him for fucking pennies.

Speaker 1 33:09

Yeah, you did. Yeah, Because unfortunately he's getting paid less than his half-time pick because you're an un-drafted free agent. Sorry, I've just been looking. The Panthers were very logical. They first like hey, we have to bolster our offense, make our quarterback look better.

Speaker 2 33:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:30

And then they were like let's go get a defensive tackle. Fifth-round pick, cam Jackson out of Florida. Not a bad pick. He's not a bad player Very long. He's kind of great. Not going to cap with you, I think they only have like four or five picks in this draft.

Speaker 2 33:44

Yeah they didn't have a lot.

Speaker 1 33:48

But they stuck to offense. They got an edge from Texas A&M.

Speaker 2 33:54

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:54

Oh, the other really good dude, that's not the guy I drafted.

Speaker 2 33:56

What was it? Shamar Stewart? No, nick Shorten, yeah, shorten.

Speaker 1 34:00

Yeah, and they drafted another one, prince Lee. I'm not even going to say his last name.

Speaker 2 34:05

Umem Mielin.

Speaker 1 34:06

Whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 34:08

Yeah, I think it's Umem Mielin.

Speaker 1 34:10

You're bullshitting, but okay, maybe there was two U's in that. Fuck out of here. I'm not saying that they had a great draft. I'm very surprised by what they did. I surprised by what they did. I noticed the Bengals took a running back.

Speaker 2 34:25

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:25

Taj Brooks, texas Tech.

Speaker 2 34:29

Yeah, I don't think running backs are probably the closest to being playing right away.

Speaker 1 34:35

He's Texas Tech's all-time leading rusher. Yeah, he was good, so he's impressive. He's small and not fast, but he catches well. Overall draft winners.

Speaker 2 34:51

I have a couple if you're still looking.

Speaker 1 34:52

Give me the Panthers. They did really well. Okay, I think they were like, hey, we're going to draft for necessity, but also make the games more fun to watch. Two edge rushers and a defensive tackle Great. They were late round picks but right now, doing what you can, the first couple rounds offense, offense, offense.

Speaker 2 35:09

They took Trevor Etienne too. He's a good running back from.

Speaker 1 35:11

Georgia. I saw that.

Speaker 2 35:13

They took Latham Ransom, too, from Ohio State. He's a thumper dude. He's going to be ruining people's lives from a safety position and destroy people.

Speaker 1 35:21

Sorry, it slides, I didn't see that and they also took Jimmy Horn, the wide receiver from Colorado.

Speaker 2 35:25

He was their speed guy. That's very good receiver, especially in the sixth round.

Speaker 1 35:29

See, I didn't see Ratham. I didn't slide it, that was just good job, bravo.

Speaker 2 35:36

I have one. Houston had an amazing draft that was going to be my next one, houston. They really needed an offensive lineman. They didn't have anybody when they were picking in the first round. So they said, hey, we're going to trade back. And they traded back, got a couple second-round picks. They took Jaden Higgins, the big wide receiver from Iowa State, and then in the third round they took Jalen Knoll, the other wide receiver from Iowa State. He took both of them. So now they have a big body wide receiver. Now they have a small speed guy.

Analyzing Team Draft Performances

Speaker 2 36:09

What does that sound like? Not Nico Collins, but that is Tank Dell, another Tank Dell, because Tank Dell's not going to be playing for a while because of the crazy nasty knee injury that he got in the middle of last season. So now he has a new set of wide receivers to go along with nico collins. They did get they did get a tackle uh erante ursery, but he may not be ready right away, might play guard for a little bit, but that's a very good pick. They took a running back. They took jaylen reed, the safety um. One weird pick that he had was graham mertz from florida. He was a very weird quarterback pickup, which is crazy. But in round seven they took Luke Lachey, the big tight end, from Iowa. They don't necessarily need tight ends right now, but why not have more? Especially, he's a really good blocker too. Houston had an awesome. They went in this draft saying, hey, we're going to help out CJ Stroud, and they got him plenty of weapons and it was a very good draft.

Speaker 1 37:01

Real quick on ESPN. One of the Bengals' needs was wide receiver. It says wide receiver is one of their needs.

Speaker 2 37:07

That's why they're stupid.

Speaker 1 37:10

Like they're very stupid. Wide receiver and tight end what do you mean? We have three good tight ends. Wide receiver, bro, be for real. Offensive guard, edge and cornerback yeah, that all makes sense. Yeah, offensive guard edge and cornerback. Yeah, that all makes sense. Yeah, my other one, arizona Cardinals, oh God.

Speaker 2 37:27

They're the new Buckeyes man. They're drafted a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 37:31

They only drafted two. Calm your tits. They had a very good draft Taking Walter Nolan defensive tackle from Ole Miss Great pick and Will Johnson in the second round.

Speaker 2 37:42

He fell because of a knee injury apparently, and he's not all that fast, but again they play a lot of zone.

Speaker 1 37:48

He can sit there in zone, look at the quarterback and break on goals. They then, in the fifth round, take Denzel Burke. That's another great one. He's great on press coverage.

Speaker 2 37:58

Cody Simon Awesome player.

Speaker 1 38:00

Cody Simon is another one. Linebacker. Grown man Great. They had a very, very good draft.

Speaker 2 38:05

The Jordan Burch, the edge from Oregon. Very talented guy.

Speaker 1 38:09

I was gonna talk about him Playing some Playing good ball. I was gonna keep going, I was gonna talk about him.

Speaker 2 38:13

He played good ball at Oregon Like he's. He's not necessarily Wasn't necessarily the most flashy, but like he knows what he's doing, he's a very good edge. They they went into this draft saying, hey, we need defense and they drafted defense, walter Nolan, awesome defensive tackle. Like we'll be able to be a stalwart for them for years to come.

Speaker 1 38:26

Who drafted the other defensive tackle from Michigan?

Speaker 2 38:30

The.

Speaker 1 38:31

Browns took one. Who took the other?

Speaker 2 38:32

That was. Was that Chicago, no Miami?

Speaker 1 38:37

That's what I thought it was Real quick. That dude's a grown fucking man, he's a big boy. I remember a play where I think they were playing some sec school no, they were playing western michigan and I remember he took their fucking center and just moved his ass, yeah, and threw him. Uh, he is crazy. He's a big defensive tackle and that's what you want for defensive tackle. Uh, he's gonna be a game wrecker, um new england had a great draft.

Speaker 2 39:02

I hate to say it it.

Speaker 1 39:03

I was going to leave them because I was like they had such a good draft. I don't really want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 39:06

Will Campbell, Travion Henderson, Kyle Williams, Braden Swinson the edge from the LSU Awesome player. Their draft was very good from top to bottom. I hate to say it, but it's true.

Speaker 1 39:25

They had a very good draft you have another one, I have one A loser.

Speaker 2 39:31

Oh, okay, the Rams. I like their draft. Actually, am I crazy?

Speaker 1 39:37

They need a backup quarterback would have been a great idea for them.

Speaker 2 39:41

I think they went into this season saying hey, let's help out matthew stafford, I think next year I agree, remember, because they traded down all they got all they got was a tight end, oh uh, a slow running back. He ran a 440 ty. Hamilton was a great pick, though out of ohio state. Very good, that's a dt run stuffing, that's a dt on a defensive line.

Speaker 1 40:03

that's already pretty good for them. Yeah, so, yeah, it's helpful, but like the only receiver they draft was Keontae Mumfield.

Speaker 2 40:10

Yeah, but they have receivers.

Speaker 1 40:13

They have Puka Nakua, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 40:15

And Devontae Adams Nigga as a number two receiver. That's very good. They didn't bring him to be.

Speaker 1 40:23

I want to fight with you on that.

Speaker 2 40:24

As a number two.

Speaker 1 40:25

Yeah, I want to fight with you on that, but again it's hard. It's Devontae Adams. I got to give that man his respect, but again To save him is a supercharged scooper cup. And that's awesome. I want to fight with you on that, but again, it is Devont. I want to fight you on that, but I can't.

Speaker 2 40:42

And when they traded back into the first round, they have an extra first round pick next year. So guess what, If they're done with Stafford after this year, they'll have two first round picks to go pick a quarterback next year with a lot better quarterback draft. That's why I think this draft is very good. They drafted what they could got that extra round pick extra first for next year, and I think they'll be ready to go for quarterback. And I hate to say this, I really do?

Speaker 1 41:05

I think Cleveland had a good draft. No, the fuck, they did not. My nigga, what Shut the fuck up? Mason Graham great pick. Why did y'all draft a linebacker?

Speaker 2 41:15

That linebacker was weird.

Speaker 1 41:17

It was a weird pick for me, but it was, quinshawn was a good pick. Harold Fannin great pick, awesome pick. Dylan Gabriel, what the fuck you doing?

Speaker 2 41:23

And then, the him and Shador Sanders thing was crazy. And then you draft another back, yes, but I also think they have to rebuild the whole running back room A slow back, but they have Quinshawn if they're not gonna have this nigga was a fourth round pick.

Speaker 1 41:38

There were much better backs on the board, but if they were going and if you wanted a thumper, okay, here's the thing they picked. Quintanil is going to be the A. You're the speed guy.

Speaker 2 41:49

Yeah Cool, he's faster than Dylan Sampson by a lot, a lot.

Speaker 1 41:55

Now Quintanil is just six foot, dylan Sampson is this nigga is lighter, lighter shorter and nowhere near as fast.

Speaker 2 42:09

Which man you know? You know he does not hit as hard, yeah, but he's another guy you can add to your room if they're not gonna have uh he was a fourth round pick. Yeah, there were so many other good running backs in the fourth round I see what you're saying, but again, they didn't need another superstar back, they just need another guy to fill the room again. Fourth round pick just need another guy to fill the room Again.

Speaker 1 42:23

Fourth round pick. There's better backs to fill the room than him. And then Shador in the fifth round.

Speaker 2 42:29

The quarterback thing was a mess, but I like everything else.

Speaker 1 42:32

I don't know if you saw their war room.

Speaker 2 42:34

Oh, they did not look.

Speaker 1 42:36

That was an owner pick.

Speaker 2 42:37

I think them drafting Shador was the owner saying hey, we want. Saying hey, we want, you're going to take him. He's sitting there, you have to take him Right.

Speaker 1 42:43

I don't understand, gabriel. I think this most Browns fans are like hey, okay.

Speaker 2 42:49

I heard this. I heard this saying that they're saying like, hey, the owner looks like he really wants to take Shador, but we're going to use a third round pick to take Dylan Gabriel Trying to appease him. To try to say hey, it's a quarterback, we can't take Shador to.

Speaker 1 43:03

I think that's what they're trying to do, because there's no other reason to take Dylan Gabriel. Yeah, the owner was like fuck you, I want another one Right, go get him Real quick. Everybody's been saying they're going to keep them both. There's no way. No, no, no. Okay, now here's what they're saying. To start, joe Flacco, I think they're going to drop Kenny Pickett. And they're going to cut Kenny Pickett, they're going to keep Shador, keep Gabriel.

Speaker 2 43:29

The problem is they traded a fifth-round pick for him, an actual pick, like a real pick. It's not a six or seven, it was a legit fifth-round pick for him, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 43:40

The fact that the Eagles got that for him. It was insane to me. Boy's a Super.

Speaker 2 43:43

Bowl champion. He does get a ring. Crazy, crazy, he gets a ring.

Speaker 1 43:49

He could do jack shit the rest of his career.

Speaker 2 43:51

For them. They have the extra first-round pick for next year. So if this whole quarterback experiment goes terrible, they have two first-round picks next year to go trade up to get their quarterback they want.

Speaker 1 44:01

Alright, the biggest winner for me personally. Like I truly think, they came into the draft, got everything they needed and scooped the fuck up the baltimore ravens.

Speaker 2 44:13

They do it every year, man, it's never a surprise anymore.

Speaker 1 44:15

But not this efficiently malik starks malachi starts that is malik.

Speaker 2 44:22

It's.

Speaker 1 44:23

Malachi. All right, fuck you. I don't care how bad people want to pronounce it. That boy does nothing.

Speaker 2 44:27

He's not fast. He's not crazy athletic no he comes down the field. He knows how to play.

Speaker 1 44:32

And he is a great coverage guy.

Speaker 2 44:34

He's a ball hawk.

Speaker 1 44:34

He tackles well, he's a ball hawk and he's great against Kyle Hamilton is a big fucking safety, kyle Hamilton can be the enforcer.

Speaker 2 44:43

Malachi Sarks can be the center fielder.

Speaker 1 44:45

And it makes total sense. Very good pairing those retarded asses Like hey, let's let them get Mike Green.

Speaker 2 44:51

Mike Green. He had two sexual assault things on his resume, so like I understand him falling.

Speaker 1 44:56

I don't give a fuck. We took Joe Mixon. He upgraded the shit Out of his girlfriend. Second round pick. An early second round pick.

Speaker 2 45:08

Mike Green fell to them. It was so easy. I don't know. I know he was there for the Bengals. He was there for the Bengals. Always happens to me.

Speaker 1 45:14

And no one. Real quick, he doesn't have those charges. That boy's a first round pick. He is that good. Yeah, he is elite.

Speaker 2 45:21

He's probably the second best address in the whole draft.

Speaker 1 45:25

You can say that and it be true. He is that guy and I wanted him so bad I was begging for him. I understand the essential assault charges there was a video of Joe Mixon up cutting the shit out of his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 45:39

You're not wrong, clear as day.

Speaker 1 45:41

And he pleaded self-defense and they gave it to his ass. The man was like good enough for me, let's pay you twice and you're only going to play three of those years. So and the Ram was like hey, we got Ray Rice to play.

Speaker 2 46:02

I have one more good draft and then we can talk about the bad ones.

Speaker 1 46:05

I want to finish their draft. Their draft was so good. They got tackles, linebackers, tackles DBs. They got a fucking kicker. They're like, whoa, we're done with him, we're not going the same route. The Browns did Justin Tucker get out of here. You know what's funny? I think they let him go more Because he was missing. Well, he has his issues too, and the other issue was just like a cherry on top, because if he was still as accurate as he was, they'd be like eh, eh we can live with it.

Speaker 2 46:30

I think the Titans had a good draft.

Speaker 1 46:32

I didn't.

Speaker 2 46:33

They took Cam Ward and said hey, we're just going to get you weapons to help you out.

Speaker 1 46:36

Make it entertaining, they took the edge.

Speaker 2 46:38

Oladejo out of Boston College was very good. They took Chamari Dike, a wide receiver. They took Gunnar Helm the tight end from.

Speaker 2 46:46

Texas Very good. Ayo Menor he was the guy that cooked up Travis Hunter. That's a very big-bodied wide receiver to help them out. Khalil Mullings he's weird coming out of Michigan because he didn't play all that great. But again it's weird coming out of Michigan because he didn't really play all that great. But again it's another running back from Michigan. He probably can't play as a six-round pick. It doesn't really matter. But like I think they had a very good draft, taking their quarterback and having picks to help him out was a very good draft.

Speaker 1 47:15

The Cowboys had a bad draft. By the way, cowboys are bad, I don't know. Had a good or bad draft. Atlanta Colts oh yeah, tyler Warren's a good pick, jt Tuamodo Is a good pick, and then it kind of just Falls off From there, dj Giddens, I think he played at Virginia Tech, kansas State, kansas State.

Speaker 2 47:36

Sorry my bad, he's a good back.

Speaker 1 47:38

I agree, but they also took Riley Leonard quarterback for Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 47:42

Again. They already have a bad quarterback. Why not add another guy they can't throw.

Speaker 1 47:46

He is ass 66% complete.

Speaker 2 47:50

Riley Leonard. He's a good guy. He's just a bad guy and he plays tough, but will he ever be able to have the accuracy to be able to play in the NFL which?

Speaker 1 47:57

is a big question. He screams jagged at me I don't know about you, no to me, I don't know, about you, but no, I totally agree. Okay, who didn't have a good draft? The Packers.

Speaker 2 48:06

I think the Packers had a. You added two more receivers. Yeah, but at least For what. For what? At least they finally have a burner that maybe can stay healthy.

Speaker 1 48:18

Reed ran a 4-3, dude Reed is a burner, they have a burner.

Speaker 2 48:24

He's not a burner in the NFL, dude, he's not. He hasn't been, he doesn't play like it at least.

Speaker 1 48:28

Oh, and he still had the most yards on the team, no, true, oh, what about Romeo Dobbs, your big body receiver? Oh, but you drafted a big body receiver, my nigga. They have 13 receivers on staff.

Speaker 2 48:43

Yeah, they're going to get rid of a few.

Speaker 1 48:49

All who had yards. Last year you took two receivers in the first three rounds.

Speaker 2 48:52

I think they were just trying to rub it in Aaron Rodgers' face.

Speaker 1 48:56

I know, but why, again you took an edge. Rusher Cool, you needed him. That would have been great in the second round. Took a linebacker Cool. Colin Oliver ain't the greatest, but he's okay. He's not a great tackler, but again he's okay. Warren Brinson from Georgia, that's a good DT. Yeah, that's a good DT. But then the DB from Tulane, I guess. I guess he didn't really play at a big school for the first four years, so it's hard to tell what his skill level is. He played at Furman for the first four years and then Tulane. Now Tulane does play a hard-ass schedule.

Speaker 1 49:31

They are a tough fucking team and they're a team I see probably moving conferences because they're that good of a team.

Speaker 2 49:36

Yeah, they're good every year, man they are.

Speaker 1 49:38

They are because they were good before they got to the. They're not in the Sun Belt, they're in the. Oh no, they're not in the Sun Belt, they're in the same division as Coastal Carolina.

Speaker 2 49:49

Isn't that?

Speaker 1 49:51

Mountain West.

Speaker 2 49:52

No, there's no way.

Speaker 1 49:53

They're all in Mountain West, oh man why can't I think of where Tulane and Coastal Carolina play? What the fuck.

Speaker 2 50:03

Is that the AAC, the American Athletic Conference, or is that mostly in the Midwest?

Speaker 1 50:14

I don't know.

Speaker 2 50:17

Because they're not in the Sun Belt. They're not in the Sun Belt, I am not sure.

Speaker 1 50:25

The AAC sounds right.

Speaker 2 50:29

Oh man, tulane is we're close but where? Does Coastal?

Speaker 1 50:34

play Coastal Carolina, isn't it? Aac, acc.

Speaker 2 50:40

No, they're not in the ACC. No, they're not. They're not in the ACC. No, they're not. They're not in the ACC.

Speaker 1 50:46

I don't want the.

Speaker 2 50:46

ACC website. While you're looking it up, I have another draft. I think Seahawks had a great draft. So Graves Abel, the offensive guard out of North Dakota State, that really helps him out. They took Nick Imanwuri the crazy the physical dude got him in the second round. Crazy pick. Crazy the physical physical dude got him in the second round. Crazy pick elijah. Elijah arroyo, the tight end on miami gonna be crazy for them. Um, it's a jaylen milroy on the fourth round and it's got a bunch of. They got damian martinez in the seventh round a very good running back if he can kind of figure things out. Um, I think he'll be a very good running back for them to add to their already great running back room. I I think their draft is very good. I had to tell our stepdad that the Giants did have a decent draft.

Speaker 1 51:29

It wasn't bad.

Speaker 2 51:30

They took Abdul Carter. They got Jackson Darf. They believe that he's their guy. That's something to be seen. But again they got Darius Alexander, the defense tackle from Toledo. He was awesome. Cam Scadaboo he's not going to be the number one running back ever, but if they're going to have a dual running back system, cam Scadaboo is an amazing player at Arizona State. I think he's going to be a very good complement to what they already have in the room.

Speaker 1 51:51

Coastal is in the Sun Belt.

Speaker 2 51:53

Oh, it is Okay.

Speaker 1 51:54

They're way too good to be in the Sun Belt.

Speaker 2 51:56

They took another offensive guard, marcus Embu, out of Purdue.

Speaker 1 52:00

It was consistent, it made sense you all drafted for need. Abdul Carter, I'm not going to lie to you kind of a big-ass luxury for you guys, because your defense's line is already really good.

Speaker 2 52:09

They're going to be like good luck going. Like we said this, last podcast being a third and eight be good luck. Good luck if you're going against them in third and eight, which is already good enough by himself.

Speaker 1 52:22

And then they added Brian Burns and they added they have three guys in that line. I don't know the third guy's name.

Speaker 2 52:26

Their defense line is so good. There's not a guarantee that Abdul Carter starts for them. That's how much of a luxury he is for them. That's good. No, I'm saying there's not a guarantee. They already have very good defensive linemen.

Speaker 1 52:39

Kavon Thibodeau.

Speaker 2 52:45

Real quick, quick. He's better than thibodeau. Uh, you can't tell me, isn't yeah? But thibodeau has, like he's, played well in the nfl, has the nfl body already, so he's not necessarily gonna have abdul khan is small.

Speaker 2 52:52

Yeah, penn state likes to keep the address for small but he plays big, he plays well against the run does but like, unlike somebody we know from penn state all right, let's go ahead and get into our team's draft, because I think we have alright. If you had to give me three words to describe what you felt about your draft.

Speaker 1 53:07

What the fuck? There we go. That's three. That's the three I got for you, gang.

Speaker 2 53:23

I don't know how I set you up so good for that. I did not know that was coming, but it was too perfect. I don't know why three came to my brain, but, dang, that was wild. How perfect that was.

Speaker 1 53:33

Okay, we'll start Real quick. They asked some of the rookies what they think a Madden rating is, and Schmarster, he was like I don't know. Four and a half sacks ain't that good. He's probably like a 72.

Speaker 2 53:44

At least there's self-awareness. He could have came in and said I need an 89. And I'm like we would have looked at him like he was stupid.

Speaker 1 53:54

What? The receiver that went to the Chiefs, the one real fast dude, he's like I'll be like an 80-82. I'm like nigga no. You catch like shit.

Speaker 2 54:04

Do you know what I heard somebody say about the Bengals draft? That kind of made sense to me.

Speaker 1 54:09

They wanted to gouge their eyes out.

Speaker 2 54:11

No, they said that they took a bunch of lottery tickets instead of taking guaranteed guys, because when they came to this draft, you're like hey, you're the Bengals, you don't have a lot on defense, you need guys that can come in and play right away. And they went and took a bunch of players that were not sure can play right away. But if they work out, they'll be great.

Speaker 1 54:28

What do you mean? Not sure they're going to throw them bitches in. We don't have nobody else on the defense. Y'all go play. No, that's true.

Speaker 2 54:34

That's very true.

Speaker 1 54:37

But it's not Okay. We had a good linebacker last year in preseason. Right, he looked like he had potential. He didn't know where he was. He wasn't all the way there. We had a good DB last year in the offseason, in preseason. He just didn't know where he was supposed to be and he was playing during the year because we had so many injuries. Yeah, and he played pretty well because he played like a rookie. A lot of bad penalties. He had a couple on uh pickings during that game. Uh, uh, newsome, newsome, not newsome. Sorry, it seems like newsome no it's something else.

Speaker 1 55:10

I can't think of it. It starts from the end. I can't think of it. But uh, if you think of this nigga's name, I'm gonna freak the fuck out. Um, but he plays really well, right, you can cover really well, it's just hey he's not the fastest guy in the world and he they Bengals like playing press. Yeah, but again, those guys are good. Why do we draft two linebackers? Y'all paid Logan Wilson. It's only on defense, that's paid. Yeah, also, your first two picks were they are lottery tickets. They both are very, very athletic.

Bengals and Steelers Draft Breakdowns

Speaker 2 55:44

Yeah, neither of them have many stats you're not yeah their stats are not there but again, of all these players, if they work out, it's awesome, like I. So I understand, but okay, but what they need is like guaranteed production, right? Now I actually think the guards they took, the one from georgia, dylan fairchild, he's not bad yeah, I'm not sure if he'll be able to play right away, but once he gets it figured out, I feel like he will be a good guard.

Speaker 1 56:05

And then the other guard they took Jalen Rivers from Miami, also a good guard.

Speaker 2 56:10

And Taj Brooks in the sixth round is a very good pick To add to that room.

Speaker 1 56:15

Chase Brown. We don't really have a huge running back room and Chase Brown does need some help because, he got injured later in the season last year. Yeah, so you know. But just two linebackers when we didn't need two, we needed another edge rusher. Yeah, y'all should have drafted at least one or two more edge rushers, man, and then no DBs.

Speaker 2 56:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1 56:35

Not a one.

Speaker 2 56:37

This is a weak DB draft, though it's not like there were a lot of great ones. Y'all didn't take one.

Speaker 1 56:41

Good DBs were drafted after you. Will Johnson was drafted at 27.

Speaker 2 56:45

Yeah, y'all picked at 17. Yeah, but it would have been crazy to draft him at that point.

Speaker 1 56:49

I know, but Demetrius Knight would have still been in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 56:52

Yeah, everybody said that he was drafted early, for sure.

Speaker 1 56:55

They were both drafted early. Yeah, you didn't develop four and a half sacks. Yeah, you did not develop the nigga next to you over the same three years had 11, 10 and 11 green.

Speaker 2 57:10

Mike green was still on the board. They could have taken him and the bangles have shown they don't care about off the field issues like. They're willing to take guys like that's something they could have.

Speaker 1 57:18

They should have shamar stewart.

Speaker 2 57:19

I see the vision they want their own miles, gary was number one in every stat for his position. Physically he was awesome, he was there.

Speaker 1 57:28

But y'all have been fooled by combine savants. They're hoping that he can hit, but if I have to watch this motherfucker be another John Ross, I will tweak. I will tweak. That was the first draft I watched. That was the second draft I watched the year before they drafted Tyler Boyd First round pick.

Speaker 2 57:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1 57:46

Pick 19. That boy was good. He was balling out For his first couple years when he was number two. Yeah for sure he balled out and he continued to be good For another Nine years. He played for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 57:57

He was good yeah.

Speaker 1 58:00

And then you took John Ross Gone.

Speaker 2 58:03

Yeah, y'all. And then you took John Ross Gone Y'all lost me. Y'all lost me.

Speaker 1 58:06

Yeah, you're not wrong and I just I think both the guards are good. I think they're going to sit for one or two years Cool.

Speaker 2 58:13

But with the defensive picks, you needed something that can go right now you needed explosions.

Speaker 1 58:17

They have to be able to play because you were not paying for it.

Speaker 2 58:18

Yeah, now you need them to really hit, because you're just like you're not sure, because Shemar's going to play.

Speaker 1 58:24

Yeah, they're going to start him, whether.

Speaker 2 58:27

Hendrickson's there or not, he's going to be on that line either way.

Speaker 1 58:30

He's going to be on one side or the other. Yeah, Y'all need a DT. Y'all really need a defensive tackle Now. Y'all only had six picks. Y'all should have traded Hendrick to trade Hengstion. Middle of the draft, trade his ass.

Speaker 2 58:41

If you're not going to trade, you're not going to sign him Somebody who wants an edge, rusher trade him.

Speaker 1 58:45

Somebody who has some money room trade him. At least get another second round, third round pick.

Speaker 2 58:49

Yeah, at this point he's it was such a great defensive line draft you would have found somebody Getting to my draft.

Speaker 1 59:01

Barrett Carter from Clemson. I actually don't think he's terrible. He's a really good downhill back.

Speaker 2 59:07

And, like we said, they did take the center from Ohio State. Later on, yes, and the undrafted Frazier is a very good pick, I just think Barrett Carter from.

Speaker 1 59:15

Clemson is better than Demetrius Knight. He's not as athletic but he is a great QB spy.

Speaker 2 59:22

Cincinnati shows. Hey, we just want the big athletic freaks.

Speaker 1 59:25

I know, but he's a great QB spy and when we play in a division with Lamar Jackson, he's going to be very helpful. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 59:31

No, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 59:33

We run a two linebacker system, you guys.

Speaker 2 59:34

Yeah, we're not the Steelers, we're not the Ravens, we don't run three linebackers.

Speaker 1 59:38

I bet it's still going to be like four. Three, four yeah, sometimes I feel like y'all think it's got 37 out there and I'm tweaking the fuck out. I don't know about you, but y'all have like five different linebackers playing the same game and I'm like why the fuck are y'all here?

Speaker 2 59:54

Yeah, they definitely helped that, because they took a couple others.

Speaker 1 1:00:01

Linebacker seems to be a position. Y'all don't draft well though.

Speaker 2 1:00:04

What do you mean?

Speaker 1 1:00:06

I don't draft linebackers.

Speaker 2 1:00:08

Well, we took. We took what's his face? From NC State last year.

Speaker 1 1:00:11

Y'all just took Devin Bush In the first round, so shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 1:00:14

That was awful. That was an awful pick, for sure. I totally agree, that's the last linebacker.

Speaker 1 1:00:17

I remember you drafting and him being hot fucking garbage and y'all paid him what once Y'all paid him once.

Speaker 2 1:00:23

No, we didn't pay him. We didn't pay him an actual contract. Okay good he was ass. We didn't keep him past the rookie contract. We didn't make him past the rookie contract.

Speaker 1 1:00:31

You guys' draft was good. Derek Harmon from Oregon good pick.

Speaker 2 1:00:36

Caleb Johnson very good running back pick.

Speaker 1 1:00:38

Jack Sawyer in the fourth round good pick.

Speaker 2 1:00:41

Sawyer in the fourth round. Good pick Yaya Black, the dude's tackle. I think the Steelers went into this draft saying, hey, we're not going to let teams run on us anymore. And that's exactly what they did. Derek Harmon, great run-stuffing guy. Yaya Black will be able to do it. Taking Will Howard in the sixth round Again like.

Speaker 1 1:00:56

It seems like, if I'm looking at this correctly, the Steelers are starting to navigate their way back towards what they were doing five, six years ago. We are going to run first, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:01:10

And Ben will throw it up when we need it. And I also think they went into this draft knowing that Aaron Rodgers is going to be there Again. We all kind of knew this already.

Speaker 1 1:01:15

Which is why you guys kind of no project guys, these guys are going to be good to go year one or two.

Speaker 2 1:01:19

Jack Saw go year one or two jack sawyer, the fact that he doesn't need to be a starter. He can come in and be another fresh body awesome.

Speaker 1 1:01:25

The fact, he can come in and learn from tj watt, you're just a body he can just learn from tj watt you're one of five.

Speaker 2 1:01:31

You're one of seven, seven guys who can rush off the edge uh, I think we literally have four guys that are going to be at four or five. We're going to be like hey, tj watt needs a breath. Come, come on in and breath for a little bit.

Speaker 1 1:01:44

Nick Herbig's awesome TJ Watt needs to go sit down. Go get the sack.

Speaker 2 1:01:47

Nick Herbig.

Speaker 1 1:01:48

Then go get a forced fumble.

Speaker 2 1:01:49

And then go return the touchdown. Alex Highsmith they paid him. He's still there, that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 1:01:53

It's him dude, y'all put him in Five plays a game to be.

Speaker 2 1:01:59

Sack tackle for loss fumble interception tackle and then nick herbig coming in and he just takes him out and be like hey, go sit down for us again, yeah I hate that. I think they just went in this draft saying, hey, we're gonna get back to business. Caleb johnson he reminds me a lot of what freaking uh.

Speaker 1 1:02:14

Naji harris how he ran but now he's behind a good line. But now he's behind a good line, it's his best carries not gonna waste his best carries.

Speaker 2 1:02:21

He his best carries. He has a little bit more speed a little bit more.

Speaker 1 1:02:25

He's going to be splitting carries with somebody else Splitting carries.

Speaker 2 1:02:27

I just think it's a very good draft all around. I would have liked another wide receiver, but it looks like they're not getting rid of Pickens. He's going to be there for at least this season.

Speaker 1 1:02:44

I don't think you guys would have taken an off tackle. Did you see one of your DBs?

Speaker 2 1:02:46

medically retired. Yeah, he was the guy that played at Texas and Ohio State. He had the neck injury last year but he was a six-round pick. It wasn't like he was a crazy pick, but he won't be playing anymore, I know, but from Another big body that can, he did start to show some things and it's unfortunate he had to retire. Yeah, for sure, pittsburgh Steelers did their thing. Man, I think you guys had a good draft. I can't complain.

Speaker 1 1:03:07

I think off of the tackle is the only thing you guys kind of left out there.

Speaker 2 1:03:11

We took an off tackle in the first round last year.

Speaker 1 1:03:15

It didn't even end up playing because he got hurt, I know.

Speaker 2 1:03:18

but again.

Speaker 1 1:03:19

I still think you should have taken at least maybe a guard. You guys do need guards. At least one at some point, maybe instead of Carson Brunner that's going to take a guard.

Speaker 2 1:03:33

Another white linebacker, by the way.

Speaker 1 1:03:36

Yeah, but yeah, that's just you know.

Speaker 2 1:03:40

It was a good draft, nothing to really complain about. Wish they would have made a couple of decisions here or there, but you know it is what it is. Uh, let's see Plus I I was very happy by the fact that um a Mecca was already taken before the Steelers even had a chance.

Speaker 1 1:03:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:52

So made it a lot easier, cause if he was been on the board in the Steelers in the Steelers past of really would um but, yeah, that's it. That's about it for all the okay, so that's about it. Do you have any more draft specific?

Speaker 1 1:04:05

things you want to talk about. The eagles didn't take. They took three offensive players and that was it do they really need more offensive guys?

Speaker 2 1:04:13

to be totally honest with you the eagles had a good draft. They always do defense, my nigga, what are we doing? The eagles just, oh. They always kill the draft. It is every year they it?

Speaker 1 1:04:22

Why do the Chiefs always trade back to 32?

Speaker 2 1:04:24

The Eagles and the Chiefs traded one pick. Yeah, why, I don't know, unless the Chiefs were going to take. Who was the guy that they took? It was the oh come on Joshua Simmons.

Speaker 2 1:04:40

No, that's what the Chiefs took. I was talking about who the Eagles ended up taking oh, I'm sorry, it's an L-M-N-O-P. I know, I know the alphabet, I swear Jihad Campbell, the linebacker from Alabama. He's not going to probably play for this upcoming season, but he's an absolute monster that can run from sideline to sideline. Unless the Chiefs were going to take him, which I don't think they were, because I think the Chiefs were definitely going to take Josh Simmons, because he's probably the best all-around tackle in this draft, but he's just coming off an injury. I don't understand why they had to trade. Does it make sense to me? But the Eagles just always kill the draft. They took Jaha Campbell, they took the Macuba out of Texas.

Speaker 1 1:05:17

Real quick.

Speaker 2 1:05:18

They always kill the draft Other than Kyle McCord. The they always kill the draft Other than Kyle.

Speaker 1 1:05:21

McCord, the Falcons got Nick Nash, the dude who won the Triple.

Speaker 2 1:05:24

Crown last year.

Speaker 1 1:05:29

He's going to line up great against Drake London. Do they have other receivers?

Speaker 2 1:05:32

Drake London.

Speaker 1 1:05:34

For the Falcons.

Speaker 2 1:05:36

Oh okay, Sorry my bad, I went ahead. A little bit of a thing there.

Speaker 1 1:05:41

No names are a thing, but I got this. But he's going to line up great against Drake London. I don't really know other receivers they have.

Speaker 2 1:05:49

They got Drake London. They obviously have the tight end.

Speaker 1 1:05:51

Kyle Pitts. This is his last year in contract by the way.

Speaker 2 1:05:55

Oh, they have the one guy from Chicago that played very good. He was very good for them. He had a lot of big games. I get what you're saying. There's another receiver to add to the room, for sure. I'm just saying he won the Triple Crown. I get you, he knows how to get open and, honestly, that's a big thing in the NFL for sure.

Speaker 1 1:06:13

He can create separation. Yeah, six foot three. He's not super fast, but he's a route savant.

Speaker 2 1:06:18

Totally understand. But yeah, how is it a big surprise? The Baltimore Ravens and the Eagles kind of kill the draft. It's what they always do, but you know it is what it is. I don't think I had anything else. Sasha, don't really care about the New Orleans Saints draft. The Minnesota Vikings had the least amount of picks, but they did take Donovan Jackson in the first round, so that was a great pick.

Speaker 1 1:06:42

But that's all I got for the draft.

Speaker 2 1:06:45

That's what you got. That's all you got, okay. So we got to play this game again. I played it before the draft and Jason didn't get a chance to play, but he was very jealous, so we got to play this thing again. We'll do this. We'll do more of like a Do it based off of records later on up, before the season starts, but I want to play the take steps forward, to take steps back. One more thing, what's up?

Speaker 1 1:07:08

The Vikings had a good draft. The only ads were five picks. Yeah, I think they did draft well though. Linebacker, tight end, edge rusher, offensive guard, many things you needed. I would have took a DB, but I'm just saying linebackers, not a position y'all needed, but Kobe King's pretty good the Lions also had a good draft too.

Speaker 2 1:07:29

They always overdraft and like they, like all the draft experts are like they way overdrafted what they needed. But they took a big Tyleek Williams, they took Tate Ratledge, the guard from Georgia, isaac Tesla, the wide receiver, not necessarily fast, but like he can get them out of their room. They just take guys that just know how to play that will be able to play in their culture.

Speaker 2 1:07:51

Yeah, they just do everything they do. The Lions are so stacked everywhere, they just need to fill holes, and what they took can fill holes. I think Williams, even though they didn't get a crazy good edge in this draft Ty Lee Williams will be able to get after the passer from the tackle position.

Speaker 1 1:08:08

I don't know, he's pretty good. Tylee Williams.

Taking Steps Forward or Backward: AFC

Speaker 2 1:08:11

No, from the tackle position he's awesome. I think he'll be able to get after the passer and do some big things, but he's not like a premium edge rusher that they could have had at that point I agree.

Speaker 2 1:08:22

But I think he'll be more than enough. I, at that point, I agree, but I think he'll be more than enough. I really do. So I think the Lions had a very good draft too, but they're just never going to be the team that are like, oh, taking all the perfect players from all these mock drafts. That's never what they're going to be. But they took guys that can play in their culture and will be additions to their team. I think they're doing a lot of good things, so All All right.

Speaker 2 1:08:41

So we're going to play this game Take steps forward or take steps back, just like I did a couple podcasts ago. Give Jace an opportunity to have his answers. We'll both do it all over again. Jace, you can do it by record, you can do it by vibes. I'm going to be more vibes and I'm just doing it based off of do. I think by the end of the season they'll take steps forward from where they're at at the end of last year. So we'll just go through. Each team doesn't necessarily have to be a long conversation, but if you have any comments about it, you can. Um, but because jace had a lot of questions about what I did when I did mine. So I have a feeling this will not be a very simple up or down. So we'll both have our answers and we'll just go through it. We'll start. We'll start with you want to start afc, nfc, and we'll just go through it. We'll start with you. Want to start AFC or NFC? Start AFC Well, afc North Cleveland. Take steps back, take steps forward or back.

Speaker 1 1:09:33

Back. All you did was make your quarterback room even more confusing. You didn't add a bunch to your offense like you actually needed to. You needed another receiver. You didn't take anything Back.

Speaker 2 1:09:43

I'm taking back as well. I back, I'm taking back as well. I just don't think the quarterback thing is gonna work all that well. I just think that they're just this kind of the same team and I think, with that being and you still have deshaun watson on your roster so I just I just don't think there's any way. Like you, really, even if your record's better, I don't think they're going to feel better about the team at the end of the next year, cincinnati Based off the draft, I think you'd feel differently from when we last had this conversation, because you were very mad at me when I say take steps back.

Speaker 2 1:10:16

I didn't go anywhere, but then the draft just did not help you with how you felt about that. I'm going to still say back, I agree, you're taking it back too. They didn't go nowhere. I just maybe these again, if these picks all work out and they all play very well, they could be easily in the playoffs Again, even without those players playing well, they can be in the playoffs. But like if your ultimate goal is to go win a Super Bowl with Joe Barrow while you have him, I don't think there's really any way, like you're going to go in the next season to go win a Super Bowl Again, unless these picks turn out to be amazing, which can definitely be the case. It's crazier, things have happened before. But I'm going to, more likely than not, I'll say steps back.

Speaker 2 1:11:04

Pittsburgh, I said back, I agree. I think I'm still still gonna go back because of aaron rogers saying I just think it's too volatile for me and I think even a very good draft I really do think it'll be, they'll probably have a better team overall. I just think that maybe at the point, at the pieces that they really need maybe quarterback I just think it'll still be too volatile to where I don't think there's going to be unless they win multiple playoff games, I think it's still going to be a step backward for me. Same thing for you, jace Backward. Baltimore Forward or back.

Speaker 1 1:11:33

Forward.

Speaker 2 1:11:35

You think so?

Speaker 1 1:11:36

Dude, did you see their draft?

Speaker 2 1:11:40

Yeah, they had a very good draft, but I just think they were in the divisional round of the playoffs last year, lost to Buffalo. So you think they're going to make it to the AFC championship game.

Speaker 1 1:11:52

They added a great edge rusher. They had a bunch of good DTs, not a good edge rusher.

Speaker 2 1:11:57

And I think this is what I made a mistake of last time. I've had so many AFC teams take steps back that somebody has to take steps forward, especially if you're going to be one of the best teams already. If I had to pick one, it's probably going to be Baltimore, so I'll say forward as well. They did have a very good draft, so that definitely helps AFC South Houston. I'm saying forward.

Speaker 1 1:12:17

Forward.

Speaker 2 1:12:20

They had a very good draft, like awesome draft. I was saying forward even before the draft happened. But I think, even after they just added so much CJ Stroud, I think they're just going to be a lot better team. I think they're going to probably make it a bit deeper into the playoffs too. Indianapolis, I'm saying back.

Speaker 1 1:12:35

I think I said back before the draft.

Speaker 2 1:12:36

I don't think the draft really helped whatsoever in that process. They're not going to be forward until they really find a quarterback, unless Richardson takes huge steps forward, which could be the case. There was a video of him throwing a deep ball and it looked better, but I don't know. He was throwing at 50-something percent in the NFL and that's something you can't do. So unless he takes a massive jump, I just don't think it's going to be forward. Or Daniel Jones, which I don't know how you can think you're better if you have Daniel Jones as your starting quarterback. Jacksonville, they had a decent draft. They had Travis Hunter, but I just think I didn't do anything else.

Speaker 2 1:13:17

I just don't think, trevor Lawrence is going to be proven to be a much better player. So I'm saying backwards, yeah, I'm saying backwards, I agree. I think one thing that did help is that now they have a player that will be more high profile than Trevor Lawrence, which I think might help, because there's some players that just don't like the spotlight. I think if Travis Hunter takes some of that off of Trevor Lawrence's plate, maybe that could help him out. But again, I don't think that answers your question of whether he can be really your long time starter the way they paid him to be long term. But you know, maybe that could help him out. But again, I don't think that answers your question of whether he can be really your longtime starter the way they paid him to be long-term.

Speaker 2 1:13:49

But you know we'll see. You have to see Tennessee forward. They had a good draft. There's no way they had the worst record last year. I don't think they should.

Speaker 1 1:13:59

They probably won't move anywhere. They won't do any better, they'll probably do worse.

Speaker 2 1:14:03

They're probably worse, but they won't be worse record-wise. But they just can't go anywhere but up. They were the worst team last year, so Forward is the only way. New England AFC East Forward. They had a good draft.

Speaker 1 1:14:16

Yeah, they also had a good draft. They were decent last year, so I think they can only go forward.

Speaker 2 1:14:20

They have their quarterback, they have their tackle. Now they added Travionerson is a very explosive player for them. I think they had another wide receiver, like they had a very good draft. I think the end of it. I have a great coach now. So, like all those things put together, I think forward is the only option for them. Buffalo, I wish I were holding ourselves to forward or back, not stay the same. I wish I could say stay the same for Buffalo, because I feel like they could easily go make the playoffs again.

Speaker 2 1:14:49

Go lose to the Chiefs and or the Bengals there in the playoffs and then still be at the same spot. But again, if I had to choose one, I'm taking back. They didn't help their wide receiver room. They helped their defense. They did, which was probably their bigger issue last year, but offensively they were. So Josh Allen, such a can you expect him to be as good as he was, as mistake free as he was, throughout the whole season? Like that is something that has yet to be seen, which is why I'll say probably, probably more likely to go backwards and forwards. Jason's a pure Josh josh allen hater. So next one, miami.

Speaker 1 1:15:32

I'm saying back I want to say the same.

Speaker 2 1:15:35

So bad that that team's a clusterfuck like that it is. It's a clusterfuck. They don't know whether their quarterback's their guy into. Uh, they don't like tyree Hill doesn't want to be there. They drafted good players but it's just not going to be enough. I think it's just going to be backwards. Man, it can get worse. They were already pretty bad last year. It can only get worse from here. That is the whole thing. New York Jets it still steps forward. I like their draft.

Speaker 2 1:16:02

I saw a video of Justin Fields throwing to Garrett Wilson. It brought me back to their Ohio State days playing together, made me kind of sad. But what I also saw was Fields' throwing motion is better, it's tighter. He was throwing a good ball. It made me kind of sad because I'm sitting there like I wanted the Steelers to hang on, cause I cause Justin Fields has gotten better every single season of his career and I'm like if the Steelers would have just hung on to him and really kept their faith in him, I feel like he would have paid off and I I have a crazy feeling he's going to do that for the jets and I'm going to be very upset because I could have had my Ohio State quarterback, even though I have another shot at it with Will Howard. But you know it would just suck to see oh, wow, wow, wow. I just had the I had the moment Justin Fields take that step for another team. That's even though we had him in our grasp, is what it is um.

Speaker 2 1:17:00

Next one AFC West Kansas City. It's backwards for has to be.

Speaker 2 1:17:06

Again. They were at the Super Bowl last year. I just don't think they're going to take that next step and go win the Super Bowl based on what their team is. Backward Chargers, I'm saying forward, had a good draft and that added Omari and Hampton to their team. Who knows, justin Herbert is really that dude which think he we have to start really start asking that question. But I think they're gonna add so much to that team around him that I think, even if he is still the same player, doesn't take really take that next step to being a superstar. I think they're still gonna be better because they just have a team overall, even if they probably gonna run the football like 40 times a game and he'll only throw the ball 20. But they don't have to be a better team all around him, I think they'll play better.

Speaker 1 1:17:48

Is it just me, or is it starting to feel like they have Phillip Rivers again?

Speaker 2 1:17:53

No, because Phillip Rivers was a baller.

Speaker 1 1:17:54

Yeah, but he was never that guy.

Speaker 2 1:17:57

Yeah, but I think we can truly blame the Chargers for never giving him that team to really do that for him which I think now they're actually giving him a full team around Herbert to where he'll be able to prove whether he can be the guy to go win them those big games and those big moments that they never had a chance to because their team was too bad Even though I think it'll be too much like a hardball team that they just want to run the football so much and I'm like well, you have that superstar quarterback back there, but you know they did have a wide receiver in this draft.

Speaker 1 1:18:31

That'll be very good out of Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 1:18:32

Very good idea. He's a very good player. Adam McConkie was fire. Put another guy on the other side of him. That's a more physical receiver that maybe can catch the ball better.

Speaker 1 1:18:40

I think they'll be better and cut Quentin Johnson.

Speaker 2 1:18:43

Get him out of town. Denver.

Speaker 1 1:18:46

I think forward, forward. Yeah, I think they go forward.

Speaker 2 1:18:49

Another year with their starting quarterback. I think they have other great players around him now. I think Denver will take a step forward. Vegas Down.

Speaker 1 1:19:01

Really.

Speaker 2 1:19:04

What do they do in this draft, besides draft Jenty? They had a Gino.

Speaker 1 1:19:08

He wasn't the draft. What did they do truly like? What did they do in the draft?

Speaker 2 1:19:12

well, they added genti and behind what line? Their office line actually wasn't that bad last year yeah, but it's not that good either.

Speaker 1 1:19:23

We're just gonna be honest, dude. It's not that good either.

Speaker 2 1:19:26

Yeah, but they added a tackle. They added Two wide receivers. That's great. They had a good overall draft. They have better coaching now. I don't know. I think Geno's going to be a big step up for them. I really do. I think the quarterback play they had last year was awful, really, though. Yes, I think Geno's one of the more. Again, he's a consistent top 15 quarterback, which is something that Vegas has not had in so long, and I think whether Do they take a whole bunch of offense for their shitty defense.

Speaker 1 1:19:58

No, I get it. I understand they still have a bad defense, like it doesn't change the fact that they didn't draft anything for their defense.

Speaker 2 1:20:05

Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong, you're not wrong. I'm staying forward. I think this is no, they're back. Okay, detroit, we're in NFC now. Forward or back what?

Speaker 1 1:20:15

do you think?

Speaker 2 1:20:15

This would be the perfect. Stay the same. This really would be. I'm going to stay forward.

Speaker 1 1:20:22

I don't see how y'all can get better. Yeah, they got better. They drafted a safety or two. Add a tight leak. Y'all can only go forward.

Speaker 2 1:20:33

I don't know where else for you to go. Again, they lose Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator, which sucks, but it doesn't negate how talented their offense is. They're such a talented team man, so it doesn't change anything.

Speaker 1 1:20:42

You guys may not be as um diverse in plays, but right, but they have everybody.

Speaker 2 1:20:48

Y'all could turn a bengal type offense saying that bitch their coach did say that they last year could have been their, their best chance to go and like win, win the whole thing, which that could be a thing where they have to start breaking this team apart after this year if it doesn't work out. But I just think they're too good of a team man. I don't see them taking huge steps back. They're too talented. Green Bay Back You're saying back, back, I'm saying forward. Think about it. What they have been is a team that's barely made the playoffs for many years.

Speaker 1 1:21:21

Continue to be as such.

Speaker 2 1:21:22

But yeah, but if they make the playoffs and like win a playoff game. I think that'll be better than what they have been doing. I think they have to give them Win a playoff game against who?

Speaker 1 1:21:33

Huh, against who? Who are they going to beat in the playoffs? They're not good enough. Oh, you're right. Maybe the other two receivers they added will help Christian Watson making the greatest 14 plays you'll see in the year and then tearing his ACL again.

Speaker 2 1:21:50

Next one, Chicago. They can't go any worse, right I?

Speaker 1 1:21:57

don't know. They drafted a receiver and they're already stacked receiver A first-round receiver, mind you.

Speaker 2 1:22:04

No, it was a tight end. No, loveland. That was a tight end, no, loveland that's who they took Chicago. Colston Loveland.

Speaker 1 1:22:11

A receiver.

Speaker 2 1:22:12

Not in the first round.

Speaker 1 1:22:15

Okay doesn't negate the fact of why did y'all niggas take a receiver? Even then, loveland's not gonna get the ball.

Speaker 2 1:22:20

Luther Burden. Okay, yeah, they did take him in the second Like seventh pick in the second round they probably shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 1:22:29

Y'all can't give the ball to everybody. It's not possible Offense tackle good pick, offense tackle good pick. Dt good pick. Linebacker good pick Y'all made a bunch of good picks, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:22:41

Even the running back that took Kyle Monunga's record Good pick.

Speaker 1 1:22:45

Y'all can't get the ball to everybody.

Speaker 2 1:22:46

But Colson Loveland is going to be their Travis Kelsey man. He's a good player I hate to say it him coming out of Michigan. I think they'll take steps forward, Unless Caleb Williams ends up being total trash, which is definitely an option. But I just think he's going to get the best quarterback coaching he can possibly get. It's going to get the best quarterback coaching he could possibly get.

Speaker 1 1:23:06

Think about what it's going to be hard to fuck up with Ben Johnson around, right, ben Johnson? He's going to give you every play imaginable, right?

Speaker 2 1:23:10

So, like I just think they're going to take steps forward. So you're saying back, I'm going to say back.

Speaker 1 1:23:14

I just don't think the team's going to get much better.

Speaker 2 1:23:19

I think Ben Johnson's going to add structure but Record-wise they may not be better, but I'm saying vibe-wise. I think they'll feel better about their team going in. Records is what matters.

Speaker 1 1:23:26

It's what matters. And if you're a Bears fan, y'all niggas ain't been good since Dick Buckus.

Speaker 2 1:23:31

You can do this how you want to do it but I'm doing record-based. I'm doing record-based later on Minnesota Back.

Speaker 1 1:23:44

Back. Yeah, they have worst rookie quarterback out of that class last year, but again even if he ends up being good, he's still going to make rookie mistakes.

Speaker 2 1:23:49

So I just thought you thought you were a Super Bowl team last year. I don't know how you can end this season being a Super Bowl team, You're just wasting another year.

Speaker 1 1:23:54

just Jefferson's prime Right. Yes, no question.

Speaker 2 1:24:07

ATL, but we didn't mention their draft. They took two. They said, hey, we had like the worst pass rush in all the nfl last couple years. We're gonna take two defensive ends and we're gonna we're gonna fix it, destroy everybody.

Speaker 2 1:24:13

He's gonna say they gave a first round pick to trade back up into the first round and get the guy out of tennessee. But like so that was a crazy reach for me, especially if they already took one. But like they took a draft, that's like all defense really gonna help them out. It makes sense and they already have their off. Their off the side of the ball is like pretty set up already. So I think forward is definitely going to be the option, for I think they're going to be better team um. New orleans is it crazy? I think they might take a step forward if derrick carr doesn't actually play.

Speaker 1 1:24:44

Who's their backup?

Speaker 2 1:24:46

Tyler Shuck. They dropped the guy in the second round. He's the most. He's the most ready to play right now.

Speaker 1 1:24:53

He's 25 years old, true, but his ceiling is high, but his floor is the lowest out of anybody else in the draft, Maybe.

Speaker 2 1:24:58

He's coming with a lot of. He had a couple knee injuries that are pretty gruesome.

Speaker 1 1:25:01

I know he also did probably the worst competition ever.

Speaker 2 1:25:05

He did play in the ACC, for sure.

Speaker 1 1:25:08

And even the Pac-12 was better than the ACC.

Speaker 2 1:25:11

I think, new Orleans. Finally, they need to pay the piper when it comes to like really sucking, so I'll take a suck and get everybody off your fucking payroll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:25:20

I opened up one game as a Saints GM in Madden. I was like nah, fuck this.

Speaker 2 1:25:24

No thanks, cut this shit off, which they started doing when they traded a couple guys last year.

Speaker 1 1:25:28

Good, they were like $30 million in the hole.

Speaker 2 1:25:30

They really need to hit rock bottom.

Speaker 1 1:25:32

Yes, you need to. I love Cam Jordan, but he is taking up probably like.

Speaker 2 1:25:36

He's so good, but he's old 20% of what you have. Right, you got to and I like their draft. I think they really did have a decent draft.

Speaker 1 1:25:43

I think everybody drafted well except the Bengals.

Speaker 2 1:25:47

So backwards, yeah, carolina, forward. Man, you can't go any lower, can't get much lower. I think they really did help out, not Jordan Love, bryce Young, bryce Young. They really helped out, bryce Young.

Speaker 1 1:26:00

We're going to give him all the chances and be like hey, if you don't work out this year, we're going to go for somebody else next year.

Speaker 2 1:26:05

I think their defense is still kind of going to suck.

Speaker 1 1:26:06

I agree, but I think they took defensive pieces.

Speaker 2 1:26:08

I think they'll feel better about their team because Bryce Young will be better, yeah, and I think that's all they need.

Speaker 1 1:26:13

You want the fans to be able to watch it. Yeah, there was times in his first year it looked like it was fun football to watch.

Speaker 2 1:26:24

And now they're getting him some weapons. They really started to believe in him and I think they're going to take steps forward. I really do. Tampa Bay, they can't go backwards, man. They're too good. They took a Mecca because they're like, hey, we already have everybody.

Speaker 1 1:26:35

Let's add a Mecca, be another grown man to the wide receiver because Vontaze Davis, vontaze Davis, vontaze Davis. Yeah, or is it Levante oh?

Speaker 2 1:26:47

no, it's Levante David, levante, david. Yes, we were so close, so close, we figured it out.

Speaker 1 1:26:52

He's on the older side. I think he's 32 now, so they took a few linebackers. I think they took another DT in this draft, but next to Vida Veya.

Speaker 2 1:27:01

No DTs. They took a couple edge. David Walker and Elijah Roberts from SMU it's a couple corners. Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame Very good pick.

Speaker 1 1:27:12

I remember them drafting him, jacob Parrish from Kansas State Another good player.

Speaker 2 1:27:17

They had good picks, so I think they did a good job. They have a good overall team. I think they added a lot of defense what they needed.

Speaker 1 1:27:26

They were just in the first round like hey, macbook is here might as well. Yeah, good for him, you don't?

Speaker 2 1:27:29

have to go to the shit so that the Steelers yeah, good for you, bro. That was unnecessary. You'll have a quarterback necessary. That's crazy bro that's so mean.

Speaker 1 1:27:37

I know my draft was ass. You can't do that. I ain't already said I can fuck with you. I can fuck with you Because you didn't get the players you wanted.

Speaker 2 1:27:45

We got Buckeyes man. That's all I can be happy about.

Speaker 1 1:27:47

Maybe not all the.

Speaker 2 1:27:48

Buckeyes I wanted. Not all the Buckeyes I wanted, but we got a couple of Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 1:27:51

Neither the backs either Neither back.

Speaker 2 1:27:54

I feel like if they could have gotten one of those two backs they would have?

Speaker 1 1:27:57

Oh yeah, Other than the Gentee, I guess, but you know.

Speaker 2 1:28:06

That's too easy to turn. Why'd you do that? That really took out my mood. Good, nfc East Giants forward Again. Another team that can't go any lower. Maybe they'll get worse quarterback play, but their team overall will just be so much better.

Speaker 1 1:28:18

It should all improve.

Speaker 2 1:28:20

They just added. But if Jackson Dart plays four games and plays well, I feel like they'll feel a lot better about their team. Next one, Dallas down, down.

Speaker 1 1:28:30

They had a terrible fucking draft.

Speaker 2 1:28:32

They took a guard at 12. Insane the fact they took a guard. He's a good player, but they overdrafted. They didn't really get everything they needed. They needed more offensive guys. They really didn't help, I don't know. I don't think Dax can come in and light the world on fire.

Speaker 1 1:28:48

We all know he won't.

Speaker 2 1:28:49

Exactly. I just think they're going to have to pay Parsons. I'm about to say Parrish, I don't know how they're going to come out positively at them this year. Yeah, they were talking about paying him right now what he's going into third year.

Speaker 1 1:29:06

He's going into last yeah.

Speaker 2 1:29:06

They were talking about Paying him right now. What is he going?

Speaker 1 1:29:08

to 30 years. He's going to Last year. No, no, two years ahead, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:29:11

He's trying to get Paid two years ahead, like Justin Jefferson Was trying to.

Speaker 1 1:29:16

You're not that good.

Speaker 2 1:29:18

I don't think so. Either Stop or run Philly. There's no way they can go forward. They won a Super Bowl. Stop copying me, unless they're gonna win another one. They're copying.

Speaker 1 1:29:31

They're going forward. Stop copying.

Speaker 2 1:29:33

You really think so. You think they won't.

Speaker 1 1:29:36

Real quick. Look at me. Look at me. They let all those players go. They just had niggas to replace them, true? So you're saying they're gonna win a Super Bowl again? Who's the next best team in the NFC?

Speaker 2 1:29:46

NFC.

Speaker 1 1:29:47

Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 1:29:51

Oh man, it's tough.

Speaker 1 1:29:52

Oh, if it's tough, it ain't good enough, it's tough. Yeah, it's the Lions. Lions yeah, Last I recall the Eagles put the Lions on a fucking T-shirt.

Speaker 2 1:30:02

Lions Tampa Bay. Oh, last, I recall the Eagles put Tampa Bay on a t-shirt, Rams T-shirt. I don't think they're going to Super Bowl again, so I think Pack pack, pack, bodies, bodies, bodies.

Speaker 1 1:30:17

That's all the Eagles saw. You can't say anything. They beat the Lions by like two touchdowns. They did. They beat the fuck out of the Rams.

Speaker 2 1:30:25

Yeah, no, that game was close. That came down to the last play.

Speaker 1 1:30:28

Regardless and they beat the shit out of. Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 1:30:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:30:33

Because they played Tampa Bay in the regular season.

Speaker 2 1:30:35

Oh no, they beat the crap out of Washington too.

Speaker 1 1:30:37

So again it's us and who else they lost players. It doesn't matter, we had replacements for them.

Speaker 2 1:30:44

I'm just making a bet they're not going to win the Super Bowl again and by that rule for me, I don't think they're going to take a step forward.

Speaker 1 1:30:54

I can make a bet they're going to be the team there. Who in the AFC is good enough to beat them? Nfc no who in the AFC, because they're going to make it to the Super Bowl. They didn't get worse.

Speaker 2 1:31:03

Baltimore is good enough.

Speaker 1 1:31:06

Baltimore wasn't good enough to beat Buffalo.

Speaker 2 1:31:08

And. Buffalo for sure ain't good enough to beat the Eagles, but I'm not sure if that's Baltimore getting beat by Buffalo or Baltimore beating themselves, which is what they've done over the last couple years.

Speaker 1 1:31:17

Buffalo also kicked the shit out of Baltimore.

Speaker 2 1:31:19

If Buffalo takes the next step, they'll be better, they'll be good enough to beat the. Eagles.

Speaker 1 1:31:27

Name their best receiver right now. Yeah, so I've already said this on the podcast Josh Allen's like I got to be Superman and we're going to watch that white boy become Superboy MVP, because you know what happens when he's like I got to be Superman.

Taking Steps Forward or Backward: NFC

Speaker 2 1:31:40

Makes mistakes.

Speaker 1 1:31:41

I get it 49-0.

Speaker 2 1:31:42

Yeah, I got it, I got it, I got it.

Speaker 1 1:31:44

Oh, so it sounds like he's on a team in the NFC that can beat the Eagles. Am I bangles? How about you? That's the best offense in the NFL. No one can lie to me. No one can say they ain't.

Speaker 2 1:31:56

I think if Houston takes their next steps they could Houston. What receivers. They just drafted some. They already have. Nico Collins. They drafted two guys out of Iowa State.

Speaker 1 1:32:05

That'll be very good. How's their whole line?

Speaker 2 1:32:07

looking. I need to fix that.

Speaker 1 1:32:08

Oh yeah, you ever seen the Eagles D-line? Yeah, they're not even blitzing it, it's saying everybody thinks they are Joe Burrow did without an offensive line. Cj Stroud and Joe Burrow. Go ahead, fuck with me, say some shit we go bad for bad.

Speaker 2 1:32:23

Right now, I think CJ can muster that type of season up. Oh, are you?

Speaker 1 1:32:28

saying he's not talented enough to so. Cj Stroud willed his team to the playoffs with no defense. No, that nigga goes out there and gets sacked. Joe Burrow got sacked, fucking 11 times. Second round of playoffs Like fuck it we ball. Did CJ Stroud do that? No, I'm hurt, I'm disgruntled. Shut the fuck up. Cj Strat's a bitch. B-i-t-c-h Whoa 11 sacks by the Tennessee Titans. Okay, we still came out two touchdowns up.

Speaker 2 1:32:57

Okay, 11 sacks. You went too far with calling it the B word.

Speaker 1 1:33:01

Look at me 11 sacks, Joe Burrow. Not a complaint, not a word. Goes out there and slings the football.

Speaker 2 1:33:08

We win the game by two touchdowns. Cj didn't complain either. Two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 1:33:10

Yes, he did. He was upset, he was in the media. Stop playing with me, Joe Burrow. Don't say a word, I'm going to thug it out.

Speaker 2 1:33:17

Oh my God, you went too far by calling him a. Has beat Mahomes? No, not yet he will.

Speaker 1 1:33:29

Oh, so if I recall Joe Burrow in his second year he didn't have a down year. That nigga's like. Let's go to the Super Bowl, watch your mouth, fuck, nigga.

Speaker 2 1:33:37

That's crazy.

Speaker 1 1:33:39

Sacked the most times in the NFL. That don't mean shit to him. Still the best QBR, second most in touchdowns, first in yards. That's the second year in the NFL. Second year in the NFL and that boy is like that Stop playing on that man's name CJ Stroud is, not him, cj.

Speaker 2 1:33:58

Stroud is not him Washington Forward or back. Forward you playing on my boy's name, cj Stroud can muster it up.

Speaker 1 1:34:06

Joe Burrow is just like that.

Speaker 2 1:34:08

I think CJ is too.

Speaker 1 1:34:09

Oh, I ain't seen it. Where's CJ Stroud in his second year?

Speaker 2 1:34:13

He didn't have a guy like Jamar Chase. Stop playing.

Speaker 1 1:34:17

CJ Stroud's defense is better. Now, it is no second year His defense is better than.

Speaker 2 1:34:23

Yeah, for sure, and Joe.

Speaker 1 1:34:24

Burrow was in the playoffs. He Second year. His defense is better than yeah, for sure. And Joe Burrow was in the playoffs. He was in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 1:34:28

CJ was in the playoffs too.

Speaker 1 1:34:29

Where.

Speaker 2 1:34:30

He went to the playoffs and got beat by Kansas City in the first round.

Speaker 1 1:34:33

Crazy Joe Burrow couldn't even imagine that. Was it the first round or second?

Speaker 2 1:34:35

round, it was the first no, it was the second round because Kansas City had a bye.

Speaker 1 1:34:39

That's crazy.

Speaker 2 1:34:46

They. Let me write a little off for you. Super Bowl AFC Championship.

Speaker 1 1:34:48

So he just made this playoffs both years of his career. Oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 1:34:50

What did he do? Lost in the second round? In both.

Speaker 1 1:34:52

Oh crazy, Joe Burrow was sacked 11 times.

Speaker 2 1:34:56

I'm just saying he's still playing very good Joe.

Speaker 1 1:34:57

Burrow was sacked 11 times in the second round. All I did was invoke Joe Burrow, and you know you're freaking out Because everybody wants to play on my boy's name, Like he's not that guy, I'm not playing on my boy's name.

Speaker 2 1:35:04

We started talking about the Eagles, but okay.

Speaker 1 1:35:08

The Bengals are the only offense I can stand up against the Eagles. Their O-line sucks, but that's always been a thing. No one can guard Jamar Chase, especially not T-fucking Higgins.

Speaker 2 1:35:18

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:35:19

Fucking nigga.

Speaker 2 1:35:19

see there's a bitch, you're going too far, you're going too far, I'm not.

Speaker 1 1:35:24

Joe Burrow gets sacked the most, probably the most in the NFL. Over his last five years in the NFL he's been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL. You can't say he's not.

Speaker 2 1:35:33

Yes, I know that.

Speaker 1 1:35:34

Doesn't say a word, thugs it out.

Speaker 2 1:35:36

But he's also had the best probably the best dual wide receivers his whole career. Again the most sacked in the NFL. Cj was most sacked in the NFL and all of the receivers were hurt.

Speaker 1 1:35:48

Throw the bitch up. He didn't have any way to throw two.

Speaker 2 1:35:52

That's what I'm saying he finally has guys to throw two. That's one guy. He's had two. Jamar Chase has been hurt, but his Super Bowl run he had both of them.

Speaker 1 1:36:01

But again, he was the most sacked quarterback in the NFL, so he was putting the ball in the air regardless of what was happening and you saw some of those plays. He stepped back, knew he was going to get sacked and slung it yeah but CJ was doing that too. Oh, he didn't have the weapons that Joe Burrow had. Cj made it to the Super Bowl. No, fuck, out of my face.

Speaker 2 1:36:18

Okay, washington, step forward or step back.

Speaker 1 1:36:21

Forward. Fuck, nigga Ever say Joe Burrow's name. In vain I didn't. Shut up.

Speaker 2 1:36:28

I think they've had a lot of cool players in their team. Jay and Daniel's going to take another step forward. He was already awesome last year. I don't know how he gets much better than what he already was and how great he was. They're going to be better next year. Arizona, Even though I think their record might be worse next year. I think, they'll feel better about their team, because I think Jade Nails is going forward.

Speaker 1 1:36:49

I think so too. They had a good draft. I think this is Kyler Murray's last year in Arizona.

Speaker 2 1:36:52

And that's their problem. I think they're going to play well enough to where they're going to be like. Oh, I guess we have to keep Kyler Murray when they probably don't want to.

Speaker 1 1:37:00

Yeah, but if his last year in Arizona.

Speaker 2 1:37:03

Yeah, he can't do it with this team that he has now man.

Speaker 1 1:37:05

No one can deny that he's the problem. I feel like the team wants to win and he's just not there.

Speaker 2 1:37:10

He has one of the best tight ends in the NFL. He has Marv Like they help the defense, like after this year if they really don't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 1:37:19

Every analysis I've seen, everybody said the Cardinals need another receiver, they need receivers, will need another receiver, they need receivers, they need receivers and, like they don't, they have a couple good receivers and they have one of the best tight ends in the NFL, he doesn't throw to them. That's not Sorry. That pissed me off, because I know Marvin Harrison is like that. He is that good.

Speaker 2 1:37:35

Oh, they had a picture of Marv. Oh my God, he's getting, he's doing the work. And again, if there's anything you don't question about Marv, he's going to put in the work, he's going to be better. But yeah, arizona, they have to take steps forward. Kyler or Kyler is gone, la Rams forward, they're too good.

Speaker 1 1:38:01

I think they're consistent.

Speaker 2 1:38:03

They finally had a first-round pick and then traded it away, but again, they'll have two first-round picks next year.

Speaker 1 1:38:08

And they just added their team man. I think they're going for it. They're shooting quarterback next year.

Speaker 2 1:38:11

Oh yeah, no question, a lot better quarterback draft.

Speaker 1 1:38:14

I didn't understand it at first and I thought about it, because next year's quarterback draft is going to be way better. Oh year, so no, it was a really smart play by Simon Bay.

Speaker 2 1:38:28

San Fran Back. I don't know how they can go forward. I really don't. Your team's in shambles and the news is coming out that they're close to paying Purdy and I'm like that's a mistake, don't. Don't Just wait. You're to do a rebuild than you are, come on.

Speaker 1 1:38:43

There's quarterbacks out there. Come on, man, don't do it, just wait one year.

Speaker 2 1:38:46

Don't pay him the money he wants. If he says yes, like $30 million, cool, fine. But I just don't think that's going to be the case. And they did sign George Kittle. Good. They signed him to a four-year deal, which is great. Good, they need to, because they pretty much don't have anybody else outside of Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 1:39:03

He was probably the most injured person beforehand a couple years ago and since then he's been the most consistent guy.

Speaker 2 1:39:08

He plays through injury. He does everything you need him to do he blocks, he catches, he's a great player.

Speaker 1 1:39:13

Yeah, no question, no one has anything bad to say about him.

Speaker 2 1:39:15

I just think the Purdy thing is going to be a problem. Their defense is going to their team, oh, uh, oh. Mikel Williams from Georgia Fuck Him. On the other side of Nick Bosa, he gets learned from him and they get to do that. They add a lot of guys. They add a crazy amount of picks.

Speaker 1 1:39:36

Stewart on the other side of Trey Hendrickson. I've been thinking about this. I feel like Trey Hendrickson is going to make him look real good Because he's going to get single teamed and he's too big and he's too fast yeah, for right tackles, and I'm very worried he's going to look good when I let Trey Anderson walk.

Speaker 2 1:39:48

Yeah, and I don't want that, that's not the world I want to live in, unless he's that guy, unless he has to earn that lottery ticket hit, you know.

Speaker 1 1:39:58

He could be. He has all the physical tools. If he could just find the fundamentals. Fundamentals, yeah, which sucks, because Luan Aruma could actually coach defensive talent.

Speaker 2 1:40:05

And now, he's gone, but again they did pick up the guy from Notre Dame. I think he'll be good, very good defensive coordinator. I think he'll be able to bring a really good defense. But, the problem is you still don't have DBs. Again, a great pass rush can like neutralize it a little bit, I think we have DBs.

Speaker 1 1:40:23

I just don't think we have a star or somebody who's consistent enough Can't tell you what it is.

Speaker 2 1:40:28

Yeah, but you also have to deal with DK Metcalf now, Like you have to deal with more weapons now than you did before, so we just have to get somebody. Dk Metcalf can swing on who's going to talk shit to him all game two is kind of scary. If he can stay focused and now he has a second best corner on him, that's a very scary, even though even if it's only for one year, that's a very scary proposition. Dude can figure this shit out.

Speaker 1 1:40:52

He is fucking so good he's so good, but it's just.

Speaker 2 1:40:56

He's so inconsistent mentally. But again, he's going to have a great season this year and then go get paid by somebody.

Speaker 1 1:41:02

I remember watching the game. I'm like this dude's not even trying, he's not even trying At the game. I'm like you could tell every time when the ball's not coming to him. When the ball's not coming, he's not trying. He ran around, got like halfway on the field. He's trotting.

Speaker 2 1:41:13

He's trotting, he's trotting. It's insane Again, dk Metcalf. So the fact that they can, like for one year, have that type of tandem together With Aaron Rodgers on the football, I think could be better, but it's just, it's very volatile.

Speaker 1 1:41:29

Can somebody get him like a, like a speed flex? Can we not see him in a bucket? No more, I'm really tired of this shit.

Speaker 2 1:41:34

Seattle Forward or back. It's forward man, they have a better court. Is he better Then? Is he better? I don't think he's better.

Speaker 1 1:41:43

I'm not going to gap at you, ceiling-wise.

Speaker 2 1:41:46

Ceiling-wise yes.

Speaker 1 1:41:47

We're going to see JSN on deep routes. Jsn is going to take a next step If there's something Sam Darnold can do he can boom the fucking football.

Speaker 2 1:41:54

If you can protect him and they got a guard to help that they did.

Speaker 1 1:41:56

So you know what I think they go forward, but I do think at their normal, in normal states it was a lateral move.

Speaker 2 1:42:03

There will be weeks where it looks like they can win a Super Bowl, because I think Sam Darnold can be that good. But again we saw the same shit with Gito.

Speaker 1 1:42:11

Sometimes Gito is four touchdowns, no interceptions.

Speaker 2 1:42:15

But they have no weapons, though that's their only problem.

Speaker 1 1:42:18

They do have Cooper Cup to add he's going to be good next year.

Speaker 2 1:42:23

With Jason. That's okay. They have Kenny Walker still there. They have Kenny Walker. They have good running backs.

Speaker 1 1:42:28

They have decent tight ends.

Speaker 2 1:42:29

Their defense is a little bit shaky, but they have a defensive coach so he's going to figure that out.

Speaker 1 1:42:33

They do. They have good DBs. They have a lot of good DBs.

Speaker 2 1:42:35

Yeah so.

Speaker 1 1:42:41

I think they'll figure it out going forward. I think next year they're probably shooting quarterback though.

Speaker 2 1:42:45

Yeah, no doubt Like a permanent. If they have an opportunity, the FSA will go draft quarterback, I think, sam.

Speaker 1 1:42:49

Donald, I don't know. I feel like he can be good, but as soon as somebody's in his face, he is.

Speaker 2 1:42:54

How it happened in Minnesota when he was on. He was on, he looked like one of the best quarterbacks in the league last year at times, until he got pressure in his face, which is a problem that Seattle's going to have to deal with. That's going to be a problem, but when he feels comfortable he can make every throw on the field. Man, he really can. But it's just he cannot push past any type of pressure and that's going to be the problem. That's going to be the Achilles heel of that team, but it's just. There will be times where he's playing awesome and they're going to look like one of the best teams in the NFL.

Speaker 2 1:43:25

I agree If the weapons turn out to be good. But JSN is going to do his thing.

Speaker 1 1:43:28

They should, they should be okay.

Speaker 2 1:43:30

But yeah, I think this is a very good exercise very good conversations and we'll do it based off of just record. We'll do like a record show based off or unders here in the next couple months because we have so much time before the season starts. But yeah, that's pretty much it. Man, we've talked about everything we need to talk about Basketball, football, and we'll keep doing that. So let's go ahead and end this podcast here.

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Speaker 1 1:44:36

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Speaker 2 1:44:43

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