JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
We Haven't Talked Sports in Weeks, and There's a Lot to Unpack
Has LeBron James finally surrendered control of his NBA destiny? The basketball legend made an unprecedented move by opting INTO his Lakers contract rather than leveraging free agency—but his agent's statement reveals lingering concerns about the team's commitment to winning now versus building around Luka.
We're back after three weeks away, diving deep into stories you might have missed. The Steelers shocked the NFL by trading away Minka Fitzpatrick for Jalen Ramsey in what might be the most polarizing move of the offseason. We break down why one host sees potential upside while the other predicts defensive disaster for Pittsburgh, examining every angle of this blockbuster trade.
Baseball season hits its mid-point with fascinating discussions about what makes the perfect walk-up song (popularity, pace, and production all matter), whether Paul Skenes might actually get traded, and why MLB umpiring desperately needs accountability. Have you noticed how many terrible calls go unchallenged because of outdated systems?
Our NFL division predictions begin with comprehensive breakdowns of the NFC West (Rams vs. Seahawks for the crown), the Texans-dominated AFC South, and an AFC East where only the Bills look competitive. Game-by-game analysis reveals several teams with Vegas win totals worth betting against—including the Dolphins and Jets, who face brutal schedules.
The conversation turns explosive when discussing evidence of NFL owner collusion regarding guaranteed contracts, with leaked texts confirming what players have long suspected. Plus, our review of "The Quarterback" show reveals which star comes across most authentic (Jared Goff might surprise you) and which seems painfully inauthentic (Kirk Cousins and his Great Clips obsession).
Join us for passionate sports debate between hosts who don't pull punches, whether analyzing the Diddy legal situation or arguing over defensive end rankings. Bet the under with us on several NFL teams and prepare for football season with our uniquely unfiltered perspective.
welcome back to mr's podcast. Today is friday, july the 11th.
Speaker 2:It's been a minute, it's been too long it's been two weeks but technically, since I didn't, I didn't actually post the last episode I did by myself. It's been three weeks since we've done anything for anybody that one who even cares at all. I did record one by myself three two weeks ago, on the 24th. I did not realize that I'd never posted it. I did the editing, I did everything I needed to have the title and all of it, just never press the little publish button to put it out. So if you want to listen to it can. It was about kd and it was about the end of the finals, like it was all old news at this point. But listen to it if you're interested. It's on there. We'll be posting two podcasts in one day, so I did put on the other podcast that it was old. So hopefully anybody that listens to it understands. Um, which just makes me crazy, because I'm like we had 80 downloads last week. What were they fucking listening to? Just old episodes, I don't know. It was just 80 downloads out of random and I'm like, oh, it must be the new episodes download. Some people are listening to it with other episodes, but apparently not.
Speaker 2:So last week, at July 4th, really doing all the things, we had our own firework show. We were doing other things, so we got a little distracted. In this past week that was last week. The week before couldn't figure out a time. I thought I was going to do one by myself, but then I was like, eh, let me just wait for Jace. So it's been a while. I just wanted to make sure we got to do one together, got to talk about everything we want to talk about, not to mention mention. It's not like there's a ton of news coming out as of right now when it comes to what we normally talk about being football, basketball. I guess there's a little bit of news when it comes to people moving teams and all that. But I covered a good board. Like the biggest one is like katie going to the rockets. I've covered that in the last pod. Jace I'm, jace hates katie, so we're not gonna go into that conversation. I do have a lebron thing, though, because he kind of did like one of the weirder things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:He opted out of his contract.
Speaker 2:He opted in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's never opted in no one before.
Speaker 2:And, like, been on the last year of his deal. It's never been what he's done. But I just wanted to kind of talk about things today with Jace. It's not going to maybe not be a lot, maybe it will be. We're going to do our catch up on football stuff. We'll have one big thing that happened that we never talked about. That I'm sure is going to get me and Jason really loud on this pod, and then after that we'll get to our NFL division stuff. So we'll go through. We're going to do three divisions today, since we're a little behind. We're going to do the NFC West, we're going to do the AFC South and we're going to do the AFC East. We're going to be and who's going to win the division, who's going to be the worst, and all that. So let's go ahead and get into it. Would you like me just to run through the lebron thing I talked about real quick?
Speaker 1:and then get to the baseball.
Speaker 2:So lebron opted in the contract, like we said, but did you see the what he had rich paul, his agent, have as like a statement after he did it have as like a statement after he did it.
Speaker 1:I'm guessing not on twitter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did I read something about it, but not really spark notes version. It was a pretty much saying like hey, I still believe in the team, but I understand that you guys are building for the future with luca, but we also. But I also want to make sure that everybody still understands that, with me being in my 20, going into my 23rd year um being in the nba, I wanted to make sure that everybody still understands that, with me being in my 20, going into my 23rd year um being in the nba, I wanted to make sure that we're still always going trying to go win a championship. So that was like one of the weirdest things. I'm sitting there like if you are worried about the team not building enough for this year's team with you involved instead of because the whole thing is that they're kind of trying to save their money in order to, when it comes into the free agency of 2027, to be able to go and sign free agents to come play with Luca. But I think we're all thinking that LeBron probably won't be in the NBA by 2027. So if you're LeBron and you opt into this contract to get like 53 million dollars, I'm not. I'm never going to sit there and tell a guy. He should take less or do anything like that, because, honestly, lebron's probably been underpaid throughout his career because of how much publicity, um what he's done for the NBA. He's a well underpaid for what he's brought. But the idea that people have looked but but that it was the weird things that when you come out out with this statement, that's a statement of a guy that's not sure that the Lakers are really doing everything they can to make this year's team the best that they can in order for LeBron to try to win a championship, because LeBron claims that's what he wants. That's what he's looking for every year is try to have a chance to go win a championship. But from what we've seen Lakers do, that's not. That's not what's happened.
Speaker 2:They DeAndre Aiton, they signed him as a center, but like nobody's really considered him like a game-changing center for them. He really doesn't even help Luka because he really he can hit the mid-range shots, but he really doesn't do a lot defensively and when it comes to offensively he's not much of like a a rim runner. He's not going to sit there and like do all the dirty work in order to get all the lobs from Luka that you would get, as long as you do the other stuff. And then, when it cut, they let one of their better wings leave, I think Dorian Finney-Smith. They let him go to Houston. And so they're like, hey, what have you really done for this team to make this team good? And they really haven't.
Speaker 2:But if I'm LeBron, this is where I have a question is why would you opt into a contract and then say, hey, I want you guys to make this team better? Wouldn't your opportunity to do that is by opting out of the contract and then making Lakers prove that they have to, that they're going to do the right things in order to bring you back on a salary? Because the one thing is that he does have a't have a no trade clause. Of course he does him and bradley beale the only two players in the nba with a no trade clause insane. That's the stat that you can, that you can say out loud, with bradley beale being as awful as he's been for years.
Speaker 2:So my question is this does give lebron a little bit of control as to if he decides to get traded? If he wants to be traded, he gets to decide where in order to do all that. But I also think he gave up a little bit of control. When it comes to he's in the last year of his contract, the Lakers can just say, hey, you're going to play this year, no matter what anyway, and we'll just see you next year. Because, again, I think now when you have Luka on the team, it's all about Luka. They want him to sign the extension, they want him to do all that. But if this is the first time we've ever seen LeBron be on the last year of a contract, either he's one-upped, he's either signed the extension when he has the opportunity to or when it comes to him leaving I guess he did leave in free agency, no, he got traded, didn't he?
Speaker 2:No, he left the free agency when it comes to him going to Miami, and I guess he was a free agent when it came to going from Miami back to Cleveland. Yes, and then he left. Actually, he's been in free agency multiple times, but he's never on the last year of his deal, which is kind of the weird thing. Usually he's opting out and then doing okay, whatever it is. Do you think it's weird for him to opt out of a deal and then opt into the deal and start asking for things?
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I think he's done.
Speaker 2:I think this is the last year that he's going to play. I don't think that team is championship-bound at all. The Thunder aren't going anywhere. They've signed all three of their big stars, so they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Most of their money won't kind of like kick in until after next season, so they're going to be the same team.
Speaker 2:Denver made a lot of moves to become better. The Rockets have now become a team that like again, I don't want to get into the KD thing, but when a KD can just go in there and be a scorer, he does not do do anything else. That team was already ready-made. We already seen what he was able to do when he went to Golden State and could do that. I'm guessing it's going to be pretty similar with the Rockets, but I don't know. I just don't see the Lakers as a team that you could think like. Think even. They proved last year that Luka is not always going to be healthy. You can't necessarily count on LeBron to be totally healthy from start to finish. Again, he's not at most of his career, but he is 41, 42 years old, so, like you really can't necessarily guarantee for that to be the case. So I don't know. It was just a weird thing for him to come out with that statement.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's mixed messaging. Dang, you're 10 years younger than LeBron. Huh, you're 10 years younger than LeBron.
Speaker 2:I'm more than 10 years younger than LeBron. What are?
Speaker 1:you talking about. You're 11 years younger than LeBron.
Speaker 2:How old is LeBron?
Speaker 1:How old are you? I'm 29. How old is LeBron? Like 42?.
Speaker 2:That's it 41? He's 41. I think his birthday is in December, so he'll be 42. My twinsies 13 years, I see. So why'd you have to do that? To me it's all right, that's not necessary. It got me off of my thing.
Speaker 1:I count LeBron years.
Speaker 2:My bad, but yeah, I just thought it was a very weird, a weird thing to kind of, do you said he's this last year? Yes, for sure, but do you so? Do you think that's more of a facade thing for him to try to make sure that he's always? Because, again, lebron's done this throughout his career? He's always wanted to put out. He always wants to control the narrative when it comes to what people are saying around him. I get it. When you're as big as he is, you can do that, so why not? But I just don't know how you're gonna sit like. The lakers can't do anything. They're already in the second apron stuff. They really can't make a lot of moves. They already have the two superstars. They really don't have a lot of assets. They have no draft picks left to trade. Um, deandre aiden was like the best guy they could find as a center, so I just don't know how this makes them. They can get much better than where they're at now like in all honesty they really can't.
Speaker 1:They're kind of tied up in lebron.
Speaker 2:They are like maybe luca has his like mvp year, so like maybe that changes things.
Speaker 1:But luca, still being young, does help. Uh, there is a future, but I don't think it's bright well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:The future is bright, two, three, four years from now, but that lebron can't think like that. He is on a one year, one year at a time type of time, and it was in his career, being over 20 years in the league I agree but it was just a weird thing.
Speaker 1:It was just weird I agree, I think I think you're right.
Speaker 2:He's just kind of somebody did mention this though yeah if lebron were to opt out of his contract and then just go to any team, sign for the minimum and then win a championship, wouldn't they just treat him just like they people treat KD? He cheated his way to a championship.
Speaker 1:Nah, lebron has his own championships.
Speaker 2:He does, but I'm saying because—.
Speaker 1:LeBron has multiple of his own championships.
Speaker 2:Yes, but when you're sitting there talking about him going after Jordan because, that's the main goal. That's what everybody considers his main goal at this point would that championship actually help his long-term or would it just be one of those things where people just talk about hey you cheated for that one.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to say KD's nowhere near as good as LeBron.
Speaker 2:Right now or just for all time?
Speaker 1:Is Katie considered a GOAT?
Speaker 2:He's a top 15 player.
Speaker 1:people say Is he one or two?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Cool.
Speaker 2:For sure. Again, I'm not trying to get into that conversation, I'm just trying to talk about LeBron here.
Speaker 1:I know, but again, in the idea that LeBron was able to win one by himself, he had Kyrie and Kevin. Love, but again, when it came down to it, it was me and me.
Speaker 2:True, but I'm just saying would another championship, with him going to play with Jokic, with him playing for $15 million, would people actually consider that something LeBron did? Or that would just be oh, you had to go play with Jokic to go win that championship. That would just be another knock on LeBron. That's what I'm saying. I don't think so. I don't think so, but I think the basketball community at large I think they would.
Speaker 1:But again, I think it's a lot different than compared to KD, where you already joined a team that had won an NBA championship. You couldn't beat them, so you go to join them.
Speaker 2:LeBron would just be an older man trying to.
Speaker 1:Ring chase, that's cool. Ring chase, that's funny.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just think when it comes to where LeBron's at, he's chasing a ghost. I feel like people would use that against him more than actually put it on his resume as like oh, you earned that, I agree, and I'm like that doesn't. That doesn't help lebron at this point, so I understand why he wouldn't go. Do that, I agree. And for him to go play for less money doesn't make sense because he brings so much to the nba. Like why would you go play for play for less?
Speaker 2:because you don't need it he doesn't, but I think it's more on a principle than anything.
Speaker 1:Again he could truly go play for a league minimum. He could, no, he could, and still make more than half the team.
Speaker 2:Because of everything he has off the court. Okay, that makes total sense. That does.
Speaker 1:That's just what it is. He's rich enough to probably buy a G League team.
Speaker 2:Not by himself, a G League team, or are you talking about WNBA?
Speaker 1:for a second, he could own the WNBA. That's my point. They lose $10 million a year.
Speaker 2:Not as long as Kaitlyn's on the court. They don't.
Speaker 1:I agree, but they're trying to get her off the court, did you?
Speaker 2:think it was weird Angel Reese is on the cover. If she has her own version of the NBA 2K cover, I don't give a fuck, I'm not buying 2K. I don't care either, but I'm just like Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 1:Live your life Cool.
Speaker 2:No, it's not, If you like, kaitlyn Clark's, the better player, but I'm not going to go into that.
Speaker 1:That's a Angel Reese got benched. She wasn't even a starter. What do you mean? Going to what?
Speaker 2:Again she's. I'm just saying she's on the cover, bro.
Speaker 1:They said it on ESPN. Why her? I don't know. If you guys have noticed there's an increase in Viewership and you can tell it's when Kaitlyn Clark planned.
Speaker 2:There's a start line here. I mean, everybody knows what that start line was.
Speaker 1:It's like 15K is what the normal viewership is and then suddenly it goes to like 100,000. Yeah. Who did she play those weeks?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:I like watching Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2:It just goes both ways. Like there's people that like want to like bow at the altar of caitlyn clark and just want to make all the black girls like say, hey, you have to grovel at the feet of this white girl because she's she makes sure all of you guys can fly private now. But I'm like it can go. It goes both ways. It's a whole. They make it a race thing, it's not, it shouldn't be better than you she's
Speaker 2:better it shouldn't be, but people make it a race thing. Is that if you like caitlyn clark, you hate angel reese and I'm like I don't want to follow that? Do I follow any of it? Hell, no, I do not. Again, they play good basketball but it's not something I like. Oh, I want to go find wmba game to watch, like no, thank you, I watch clips. I like if they pop up with angel reese like, or caitlyn clark hitting those crazy threes, but like do I actually care? No, I do not whatsoever. All right, that's about it. That I have on. You're probably going to fact check me on if you could own the WNBA or not, but that's all I got on basketball. It's really all right Actually.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Dame Louie thing. Did you see what the Bucs did to him? The Bucs cut him straight up, cut him and then did like mlb team. They spread out his contract. He had like 111 million they owed him left and like three years left on his deal and they decided they did like an nfl team where, like, if you cut a player, the rest of their contract get kind of split up through as like a dead cap hit. I didn't even know that was possible in the nba and apparently that is, and that's what they did with Dame. They decided, hey, you're going to be hurt all next year anyway, we're just going to like cut you and just pay you out. For apparently he's going to get paid $20-something million for like the next four or five years and he doesn't have to play on the basketball court at all.
Speaker 1:Lebron could own and operate the G League. How much is G League worth To the entire league? The cost of the league team is not publicly disclosed. The estimate suggests it could be low millions of dollars, possibly around $2 million to $3 million for operational expenses.
Speaker 2:How much would it be to own a WNBA team, because it's always been a thing. He said that he wants to be an mb, an nba owner, and apparently he's like eyeing to like own the team that ends up going to vegas at some point. So that's going to take expand the team.
Speaker 1:If you want to like, start your own 250 million in a wmba yeah, to buy a team, very significant people. Recent but recent expansion teams fees have reached a record of like $250 million. He probably has a—. But the New York Liberty were valued at $450 million. The Phoenix Mercury were valued at $105 million. The Atlanta Dreamer were valued at $55 million. He could buy all of them.
Speaker 2:He probably could.
Speaker 1:Again, he probably has that money in cash the most expensive team right now is guess who the Indiana Fever With Kaitlin Clark Worth the $250 million.
Speaker 2:Not surprised, not surprised whatsoever.
Speaker 1:They're not an expansion team, but the expansion team that was recently announced in Cleveland, detroit and Philadelphia all paid the fee of $250 million.
Speaker 2:Because apparently it's not just to start the team. You also have to pay the other owners because they're going to get less money now because you're there, yeah, so the fee is $250 million.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 1:He could do that in cash Now it's not the same based on the city. Like for the Portland team, they paid $125 million, but the Golden State team paid $50 million. But now the Golden State team is also owned by the Golden State Warriors owner, so he paid way less. And then the Toronto team that debuted in 2026 paid a $50 million fee. Okay, so it does depend. Now, the ones we named are in Cleveland, detroit and Philadelphia, a lot bigger of cities being. Detroit and Philadelphia are really big cities. Cleveland, it's a shithole. You should have picked a different city, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2:They already have an owner that is willing to do it.
Speaker 1:But the New York Liberty is the most valuable team valued at right around.
Speaker 2:They did win the championship last year, so I think it kind of.
Speaker 1:They're also in a very big market city. Yeah, they're valued at $450 million, which he could still buy.
Speaker 2:He probably could cash. But again, when you're that rich, the cool thing about it is that hey, why would I pay all by myself if I can get a bunch of my rich friends together? We can just own it all together and nobody has to give up that much money. Crazy how that goes. It's funny how the rich stay rich that way. Alright, that's all I got with basketball. The Dame thing was kind of funny how they did that. But they're just trying to keep Giannis as much as they can and they didn't have any type of movement outside of that.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Let's go ahead and get off the basketball stuff. Let's go and do, because there were a bunch of moves in the NBA but none of it. All that crazy LeBron.
Speaker 1:James is worth $1.2 billion. Yeah, that is worth. It was on a list.
Speaker 2:He's worth more than Beyonce and Jay-Z Not combined but individually, because Jay-Z is almost worth a billion by himself.
Speaker 1:And I'm all for saying that women are worth Never mind, okay, mind, okay, okay. I want to say something out of pocket. It was not up to date, jay-z is worth 2.6 okay, it's only worth 700 million okay I was just.
Speaker 2:I'm so out of pocket, I'm so happy I didn't. You stopped um, all right, mlb. You said you had some mlB stuff you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1:Did you see Diddy's charges? See what he was charged for. We're not going with this right now. Sorry. I meant to talk about it before the podcast. See what he gets charged for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much Rico charges.
Speaker 1:No, he got charged for jack shit. He's only getting like 10 years.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he can only get up to like 10 years in prison. Yeah. Because, the rest of it, like all the bigger stuff, all got knocked over.
Speaker 1:Because there was a shadow of doubt.
Speaker 2:Because they were trying to charge him. They were trying to make a case that he was using all of his businesses to cover up for the freak-offs.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it's very hard to prove.
Speaker 1:And that was the one they were trying to get him on the most Right.
Speaker 2:That was going to give him the most time. He was making people watch other people you know, that's the same stuff they got freaking out not Al Capone, but who was like the big liquor salesman that got it was.
Speaker 1:Al Capone right Al Capone was right, that's how they got him.
Speaker 2:was on rico charges.
Speaker 1:They got him on other stuff. Yes, right um but they're trying to get him on the big stuff which is making people watch other people do stuff, which is very, very illegal, right? Um, but there was a shadow of a doubt because they're they had like security guard and he was like well, there was those kind of workers in the room and the the defendant, the um, prosecutor is the one that prosecutes the defendant, right? Uh-huh, he was like but did you see it?
Speaker 1:And he was like well, no, they can't prove anything bro, and he was like I was reading about it.
Speaker 2:Apparently there was videos that they had.
Speaker 1:But none of them were conclusive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all they were doing was rubbing baby oil on each other.
Speaker 1:Again, all he has to do is provide doubt. Right, if you can't convict him without a shadow of a doubt, it doesn't stand. Yeah, I got him all a bunch of small stuff.
Speaker 2:He'll be out in 10 years all the videos and stuff were like tame, like people were saying that it's like what are you in that bad? No, and they weren't again, I don't believe that none of that stuff happened. I believe all of it happened. I agree. It's what you can prove and that's the problem you can't prove, prove it what you can prove is that he was flying these people certain areas. He's a freakazoid, but you can't prove he did anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which was true, so they got him on the other side.
Speaker 2:Not to mention because all this has been happening for so many years Now. Hearsay, it's all hearsay. You can't prove that what she's saying is correct.
Speaker 1:So they got him on a bunch of small stuff.
Speaker 2:Got him 10 years maybe 10 years in prison, that's. Maybe he may not even get that, no, that's probably gonna be out in four.
Speaker 1:Weird, then he's gonna be out there, he's gonna be out there again.
Speaker 2:It's not like he's ever like people have always like it's always been a thing that everybody thought he was weird. So like it's always been like a known thing that he like had those weird stuff going on. It nobody knew was as bad as what it was if he's paying.
Speaker 1:But like you go to a ditty party, it's how much you paying?
Speaker 2:I know I'm good to go to a free golf, to be one of the ones you no six there will be men ready to take me.
Speaker 1:Six million dollars.
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:Ten. There was a doubt.
Speaker 2:There was a doubt Would they use all holes?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know If I had to just give them flesh Ten million dollars, tell me in dollars If it was just here's ten million dollars I have no choice Come to the party.
Speaker 2:Ten. Tell me if it was just here's $10 million.
Speaker 1:I have no choice. Come to the party. $10 million a lot, bro, so it's six. I'm done working. I'm calling I'll buy me some properties. How do you this money? Don't remember I woke up. My ass hurt. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I was a little slippery.
Speaker 1:No questions for me to ask. I woke up on a plane. I was a little slippery. No questions for me to ask. I woke up on a plane. Booty hole hurt $10 million in a bag.
Speaker 2:Who cares? $10 million is too much to say no to $6 million. You're like, I still got to work at some point Agreed.
Speaker 1:But again, $6 million is enough to be like. I can buy a property. I can make some passive income with this.
Speaker 2:I can buy a car wash laundromromat or put it in a put it in a equity account and it's work I can make, I can live off the interest of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but 10 you're talking.
Speaker 2:I could waste three and still be chilling don't worry about taxes, they just give it in a bag. Yeah, that's something that's something.
Speaker 1:Because they can't tax, I can't say no.
Speaker 2:I can't say no to that. No for sure, actually I can. You just have to be. You have to be real on the deal about it because, like all the money mr beast gives out, like he pays them, he pays them the money and he gives them the taxes for it yeah, they also do the.
Speaker 1:They send them like the papers, like hey, fill this out, we'll do the tax information for you. That shit's cool yeah, it is cool I'm happy that you do that for me, because I'm not because that's the cool, crazy thing.
Speaker 2:When you watch any type of game show you're like, oh, we'll like give you this new car. But I'm like, then you have to choose. If you want the car, then you don't have to pay the taxes on the car, yeah, or you just get the cash amount for the car and they just take it from the cash and I'm like, oh, I could never be happy about taking the car, no, because, then I have to pay the tax on that in the very nice car you're trying to give me.
Speaker 1:So I'm like that's stupid. I rather tell me how many dollars. That's a lot of money. I guess we know two. Again, if somebody, if he was coming to me like hey, I'll give you a million, and I'd just be like what do I got to do If the number is small?
Speaker 2:you're not getting maximum effort. If you give me six million and you only use my mouth, I think I could do it. You got my booty hole my booty hole. I think that might be too much for me.
Speaker 1:Ten million it's all on the table. 500,000 per bro. Come on, I think I'm worth it. I don't.
Speaker 2:That's not enough money for me.
Speaker 1:It's just not Whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2:All right, we got way off topic here.
Speaker 1:It was just, it was so like on top of my mind.
Speaker 2:I've been thinking about that. I watched the whole podcast about it. I was like, oh my brain went.
Speaker 1:They let this motherfucker out. He had a suitcase, a travel suitcase, with Baby Olen. Are you dead ass?
Speaker 2:They're letting this man on the streets again.
Speaker 1:And they're going to give him a max of 10?.
Speaker 2:By then he will be like 70 years old, if he gets that and I by then he will be like 70 years old. If he gets that and I can't, Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Money is a magical thing, dude, he doesn't have any.
Speaker 2:Apparently he's broke. Apparently he broke broke. But again it's like with guys like him. They can have money offshore somewhere, who knows, but again, apparently he's broke. Whether believe that or not, I'm not sure. But he is going to be a pariah in whatever community he comes back to, because he's not one of those that wants to be a gangster dude. He's always been a more clean cut guy, kind of like Jay-Z in that fact, where Jay-Z, even though he's from the streets, he really wants to be a part of the high life, he really wants to have that status. That's what diddy's done his whole career, right. So if diddy wants to go back to being that guy in the high life with everybody else, amongst all the people in hollywood, he won't be, he'll be cat, he'll be a castaway. But if he's willing just to come back and just make money off of being the like, being the weirdo with all the other weirdos out here like to follow them like he could do that, but I just don't, I don't feel like he'll ever want to do that.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm just saying 10 million is a lot of money heck, think about it.
Speaker 2:Uh, what's his face? Why am I forgetting his name? Uh, um, no, why? Oh, the freaking bills running back. They uh killed his, killed his wife. Dude, I'm for oj. Oj came back and was able to make money. He was doing freaking like people were what is what do they call it? The cameos. He was doing cameos, people were paying for that, so like he had a niche before he died. But again, he was never like coming back, like being a popular dude.
Speaker 1:But like he was able to come back and make money A lot of people. He was a popular guy. You were black at the time. He was popular with you. Yeah at the time.
Speaker 2:yes, but I'm saying now, when he got out of prison and all that, he was able to come out and make money and everybody believes he killed her. So everybody believes that and he was still able to come back. Not, everybody.
Speaker 1:You know there are idiots out there. There is a large portion of people that believe he didn't do it. An old black man at work the other day he's like oh, jay didn't do it. I looked him dead in the face. I was like are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2:I've talked to a not as old black like this. Dude has to be in his 30s and he believes that he didn't do it. I'm like there's no way. There's no way, there's no way, no way. All I do is watch the one freaking 30 for 30 frat by espn.
Speaker 1:I'm like he did that that's all I watched, dude, we watched it in uh and Law In my class and he puts on my gloves and he's like struggling To get them on. I'm like those are your fucking gloves.
Speaker 2:Hand exercises bro.
Speaker 1:And he puts on my gloves, legit, all of his things, they fit perfectly and everybody's like. And then they just say Like 20 minutes later oh, I'm not guilty, I'm like, oh, my fucking god. All of you must have been stuck in a room with a fucking meth vaporizer for y'all to give this verdict. I watched the prostitute go and just slump in his chair. What are y'all doing?
Speaker 2:Don't do it, you just don't do that In utter shock. That's one thing you don't do, because they knew that was going was gonna be a possibility. And he did hand exercises like again, as you work out, your hands do get bigger. That's definitely a possibility, so why does that even matter? But again, that was the final thing. That kind of pushed the other way.
Speaker 1:But again all right.
Speaker 2:Can we get back to sports please? It was sports, oh yeah, I guess I just want to get off the ditty thing more great running back.
Speaker 1:he was, was he was. He was. He was very good. Nelson doesn't believe OJ did it.
Speaker 2:I'm not going on that. He still has a little Bills poster in the shop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, just in case you forgot.
Speaker 2:I haven't been him in so long. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:We don't get our haircuts anymore.
Speaker 2:All right baseball, baseball stuff. What do you got? What you got for me? Okay, walk-up song while you think about it. Perfect, mike, I have three categories that makes for a good walk-up song in baseball.
Speaker 2:Again, this whole idea started because our younger brother he's in high school ball and he was talking about how one of his favorite songs that he would use as a walk-up song was by Green Day and it kind of thought my mind like what makes a good walk-up song for in in the ML if you're just a baseball player? And I'm like that's kind of a cool concept because I'm like everybody has different music tastes and it's just very different for everybody. Some people go country music depends on the genre. I I. Here's the three things that I think makes a good walk-up song the popularity of the song I think if it's a white, more widely known people know it off the top of their head. I feel like it gets a lot more people into it. So it gives people a lot more hype, even if they don't even care about the actual player that's coming up to bat.
Speaker 2:I feel like a good song that if you know it at least get your mind going and you like it'll make you pay attention. I think also the um, the pace of it. Like if it's like a more hype obviously a more hype song then it's something to kind of keep people, get people going, or if it's like it's different, like different um vibes a song can give you, depending on what it is. You know, it's funny if, when I was thinking about like a song that I would like as a walk-up song do you know how many old kanye songs I came up in my brain is like perfect options, but like it would be so, like come on, as we know what kanye is now, it's like, oh, that's probably not a great idea, but like there's so many cool kanye, old kanye songs that would be perfect they have nice beats yeah yeah, and everybody would know them and it's like a whole thing.
Speaker 2:And then I also think popularity, the song, that. And then I also think that, um, if they're going to say the words or not, with words and without words, because it it makes a big difference. If they're going to play the words, because then, if you're thinking about high school ball, not all of them be willing to play the, play the actual words of some of these rap songs, stuff like that, and then some of them they're like oh, it's a country song, be willing to play the actual words of some of these rap songs, stuff like that, and then some of them are like, oh, it's a country song, we'll just play the whole thing, which is kind of funny how they choose that that way. Again, we are in the middle of Ohio, so it is what it is, that's true, but I also think that matters too. If you have a song that's just a beat, that is very widely a good song, it won't be as good of a walk-up song if they're not willing to play the words that's true that's all I got on.
Speaker 2:That again it's. It was a pretty cool concept because, like, there's so many different options you can have, but it honestly depends on who's listening to it. I I think, do you think a walk-up song more for the player coming out or do you think it's for the fans?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think it's kind of like a hype song For you and the fans, because I think when fans hear a certain song and they know who's coming out, it's a hype thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the longer you go. If it gets attached to you, then that's one thing. Why am I forgetting the? The closer for the Mets. That guy, that is who I talked about Before the podcast started.
Speaker 1:See, I'm not. That is who I talked about before the podcast started.
Speaker 2:See, I'm not.
Speaker 1:That's what I was saying, it's Edwin Diaz.
Speaker 2:Edwin Diaz.
Speaker 1:Yes, trumpets, yeah, yes, I know One time they actually came out with the actual the dude who wrote the song yeah, doing the song yes, and everybody is.
Speaker 2:And they had live trumpets. Come out and do it one time. Yes, that song, yes, and everybody is and they had live trumpets come out and do it one time.
Speaker 1:Yes, that kind of thing. It's like the longer you do it right and you are that guy right. There is a difference, even if you're a backup pitcher like um cory kluble kluble fuck you call him evil quenevil yes, um yes jesus, I hate you. He had a great, great walk-up song because he was going up there throwing gas. Right. I'm about to put down the next three guys and we're going home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:But I don't know, I think it's just popularity of the song, beat of the song and who you are as a player matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like the bigger player you are, the more leeway you have to do whatever you want. But if you're a smaller player and you want people to start noticing you, you've got to kind of go with a more popular song to kind of get people going for you.
Speaker 1:Well, supposey, we were talking about it the other day.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 1:his welcome song was what was it Thunderstruck? Oh, his welcome song was what was it thunderstruck?
Speaker 2:oh, great song, great song yes great song great player it fits him
Speaker 1:yes, um, but again I think it depends on the player. Who you are as a, what your fans will. You will know you as songs, you will know, so that a lot of that stuff matters. Like if you're in fucking new york, if you, if if you're in New York playing a country song, they don't look like what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, for sure that, yeah, you're making that makes sense.
Speaker 1:But I was at Clippers stadium and they were playing fucking. Uh, I don't remember, it was some song. Uh, no love in Oklahoma. I'm singing it, I'm singing it. I love this song. It's great. But again, a song don't resonate with everybody everywhere. Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:But we live in a. Columbus is the biggest thing. If you go a mile outside of Columbus like you're hitting Grove City, it's fucking, you are in the middle of nowhere, big country music place. Yes, so it depends on the city, the people, you as a player, yeah. Big country music place yes. So it depends on the city, the people, you as a player, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then if your song's just not good. You know what's funny Is that a lot of like I was, I watched much high school baseball with Braylon playing and all Some of the songs I heard. The weirder you went, the more it kind of got people to notice you Like some people, because obviously kids like high school boys, they want to go with some of the weirder songs. I'm a fairy. How many times I heard that song. It's just one of those things you can go weird and kind of get the same effect. That was one of the questions. Why wouldn't you? If you do it for varsity, why would you do it for JV too?
Speaker 1:We got songs we didn't get to pick them Apparently for Bre breland.
Speaker 2:he said the varsity got to pick them, we just they didn't get to do it at all I'm like that's if you're at home, why not?
Speaker 1:I don't understand, every time we're at home, varsity was running the thing because again, it's for the fans more than it is for the players.
Speaker 2:So I'm like it. It's for the players too. But I'm like, if you want the fans of your players that are coming out and watching like, shouldn't you give them that experience?
Speaker 1:as well, but it's a whole thing. We had the experience, it was great. My song was your welcome for Moana, that movie that came out the same year I started playing baseball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was what people wanted to call you One at that time, maui.
Speaker 1:I had teammates that called me Maui my the entire time I played ball After that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that movie came out my freshman year, like a month before I started playing baseball, and I just happened to be a tall, light-skinned nigga with long curly hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people don't know what light-skinned means, and so some people are like, oh, you're Hawaiian, you look Samoan.
Speaker 1:And I'm like no, I'm not that. No, my mother is white as snow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:And I can't swim. So what the fuck are we talking about? I can't swim and I don't like fish.
Speaker 2:You're missing the nail bro. Yeah, not there. And my only other thing I wanted to bring to the baseball conversation and then you can kind of take over. Do you think Paul Skins actually gets traded? It's just been more rumblings that it may actually happen.
Speaker 1:To who?
Speaker 2:Just to somebody. Again, you'd have to have a King's Ransom You'd have to give them.
Speaker 1:They can't. They can't. What do you?
Speaker 2:mean they can't have you seen their farm system?
Speaker 1:They can't. How do they have the number one prospect from four different classes? They can't, not even on the Dodgers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they're in.
Speaker 1:AAA, we don't need you, they can. You want a King's ransom? The Dodgers can give it to you.
Speaker 2:What do you want? They can, but I'm just like at some point they got to like again. It's like Paul Ski is getting paid a bunch of money.
Speaker 1:Exactly. We're not paying him for another two years.
Speaker 2:Right, you don't actually have to pay him for that.
Speaker 1:Dude, you play for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2:You are now a multimillionaire and you get to play with Shohei Otani for a good portion of your career, but man, it was just like that would suck. That would make me hate baseball. That's the only place that has enough to give them, which is crazy. I'm like the Dodgers would do what the Yankees used to do to other fans, and now it's the Dodgers doing it. It's like they're controlling.
Speaker 1:They have the farm system because their farm system, funny enough, is the best in the MLB. How the fuck did we let that happen? No one, no one like acknowledging that they just have a bunch of MLB players playing in their farm system. Because we don't need you. I don't know, dude. I can't remember his name. Asian kid Plays on the Dodgers. He's just shortstop.
Speaker 2:I'm going to look this up. I'm looking up the best MLB farm systems. I just want to look Just off the top of the head, because it's not like that's something I really, I really follow.
Speaker 2:According to MLBcom, the best farm system mlb is the detroit tigers okay number two is tampa bay, number three boston, number four the dodgers, number five seattle, six the white socks, seven Milwaukee. Eight is Chicago, the Cubs, nine is the Guardians and ten is the Twins. Again, it's all subjective. Who knows what their criteria actually are, but you know. But no, that would suck.
Speaker 2:I just think I only brought up the Paul Skeen thing, so I'm just like he's waste again. He has I forget how many starts it is now where he has like under two, like under like um three runs allowed and he's lost. So I'm just sitting here like man, like he's done his thing for so long. I can understand his frustration with the, with the, obviously with the pirates, by not putting out a good team on top of. If the pirates really do get a king's ransom, they really can like change again, will it? Well, could they ever actually change their franchise is a no, because they're not willing to spend like a normal mlb team. So I don't think they'll ever truly do that. But if they decide like hey, we can can get a Kings ransom and try to restart this thing, because again they're not going to do anything with Paul Skeens anytime soon, with what?
Speaker 1:they have right now. How many players do you think the Dodgers have in the top 100 prospects?
Speaker 2:I don't know, like five, six. According to this site, the Dodgers have one, two, three, four, five. They have six.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. They never make any same OB. They don't need them right now, yeah. No, you're not wrong. The Dodgers are in such a great position to win that they don't need these guys.
Speaker 2:According to this site, they have the number one right-handed pitcher, rocky Suzuki, the guy from Japan. Yeah, he's just sitting at number one.
Speaker 1:Just looked at his stats. Boy can sling it. Yeah, hey, you guys want this. Hey, you want this outfield. That's ranked like, I think, sixth or seventh. We have a couple more guys on the list that you for sure, fucking need.
Speaker 2:I would maybe Hate baseball more Again. I don't really hate it, it's just.
Speaker 1:Oh, you want backup, guys, we're not using, you can have them too.
Speaker 2:That would just suck Again. I would love the Yankees to get him, because that would Just be awesome, but you know I can't get what I.
Speaker 1:We can't. We want the Yankees fans Stop playing. We had one dude in the top 100 prospects. We have nothing to give you.
Speaker 2:Well, we did have the Martian, but now he's playing. He's playing up in the big leagues now. Exactly, he's actually good, he's so good, he's actually playing very well.
Speaker 1:We have one dude in the top 100 prospects. He's like 67. Yeah, you could have him. We'd probably be giving up the rest of our roster as well. Everyone looks like all right, cool, we want your second baseman, your first baseman, your third baseman.
Speaker 2:We can't give up our second baseman now. Why we can't? Who is it? They moved. Jazz over to second. I'm like that's great, because he should have been playing second and he's playing well. He's going to be in the home run, derby. They probably want Ben Rice.
Speaker 1:He's been so good for us too, can't do it. If they didn't, I wouldn't doubt if they fucked around Like I want Volpe as well and I'd be like, fuck yeah, you can have him. That's Paul fucking.
Speaker 2:Deans. His defensive issues have been a little bit of a problem at times.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's almost like we have Gleyber Torres he was better last year.
Speaker 2:This year it's just been like it's insane, my nigga.
Speaker 1:I have watched games. This is fucking Gleyber Torres, but he can hit consistently, yeah he can't hit Gleyber Torres is ass His defensive stacks suck.
Speaker 2:Gleyber Torres is an all-star right now.
Speaker 1:Insane.
Speaker 2:For who For?
Speaker 1:the Tigers. I forgot. The Tigers are one of the best teams in baseball right now, but again, he's a great batter, his defensive stacks still suck. Do you know why? I think he's stuck at second base and I think Javier Baez is that shortstop, because Javier's a better defensive player, right, but Gleyber's the biggest problem In big moments. He's fucking up the play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we watch it Too many, too many times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ball's gone and I'm watching Volpe do the same shit. Now, volpe is better, but it's like dude, that's a routine ball.
Speaker 2:It is, he has, and again, when he's on, it's on, it looks great. He can make some very spectacular plays, even in a way that Glaber can't.
Speaker 1:But his bat is so consistent he's going to give you consistency.
Speaker 2:He's gotten so much better this year and he has some power. There's some pop behind it, but the Yankees there's no reason to ever give him up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like one of the young guns and it just doesn't make sense. He's consistently a good batter. His defensive issues who cares they? Let Elie De La Cruz play and his defensive issues suck Right. He makes the easy plays look hard, but the hard plays look like a routine ball.
Speaker 2:And he's still cheap as of right now, so you're not paying him a ton of money.
Speaker 1:And even then he's never going to be that guy.
Speaker 2:Never be the guy you give a ton like a life-changing, like crazy, like you know franchise-changing numbers on.
Speaker 1:We still need somebody to show up in the playoffs, because y'all didn't do it last year.
Speaker 2:True, Again they were on a. They were on a very bad run For a good while During the season.
Speaker 1:I think we're probably Like the 6th or 7th best team. We're probably the 6th best team In baseball.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they're still fine, but, like Some of the games they're losing Is like this is insane.
Speaker 1:But then they.
Speaker 2:Sweep the Mariners these last three games and it was awesome, so I'm like that should go low.
Speaker 1:They did. Did you see? They had figured out his signs? No, Okay so somebody was at first base, I think it was Belly. I can't remember the other dude. He has a mustache. That's all I can. Definitively, I think he's our catcher, maybe.
Speaker 2:Or he's an outfielder.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It was Belly and somebody else. They're on second base. Belly is looking at it. He's looking in the glove Real quick. I said last year they should have picked him up right before.
Speaker 2:They tried to. They tried but they couldn't, they didn't want to, and then they got him in free agency. Awesome, he plays everywhere.
Speaker 1:He's in the glove and we had a guy on second base. He would just put his arm up and then the guy on second base would just go slider. And then, if they didn't, do it.
Speaker 1:It was something else Fastball, breaking ball. They figured that shit out. Base is loaded, volpe's up to bat and legit. Somebody else is at first base. Belly's now at second and they're doing the same shit. They know his pitches. All they do at first second and they're doing the same shit. They know his pitches. It's a lefty. All he's doing is not getting lead. Belly is standing straight up looking into his glove Throwing his right arm out. Immediately. He's doing it Slider, slider. Couldn't hit the zone, but it's a great swing and miss pitch. He walks two batters. He walked Belly like that. He walked another batter and then Volpe comes with the bat.
Speaker 2:Two run shot hey, we'll take it uh, but no they came back they're playing good baseball.
Speaker 1:I thought their pitching was still not great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously losing your main guy. Obviously before the season started. Max freed have been great. Yeah, he's been awesome, but, like the rest of our rotation, kind of broken down as we keep losing pitchers.
Speaker 1:People keep getting hurt Every year why is every pitcher on our staff hurt? Again, we're in the same boat as the Mets. The Mets have zero pitching.
Speaker 2:We're going to have to trade for more starting pitching. Yes, it's a whole thing, probably another closer, because our closing pitching hasn't been all that great. Yeah, we probably still need another bat, but you know again, I think we're okay right now.
Speaker 2:I think another bat would be helpful, but I think we're okay as of now. The goal is to get to the playoffs and that's player-based, best baseball. When that comes, they're a good enough team to do that. What happens once you get there is a totally different animal, but you know it is what it is. But the way they came back and they were no hit through seven and then came back and won at the bottom of the 10th, hit the walk-off Absolutely insane and heck. Volpe made a great play, making the play at home. He was able to slide, avoid the tag.
Speaker 2:Stuff like that. That's great. That's what you need.
Speaker 1:It was a great play man.
Speaker 2:Great play, especially off the sack. Fly from Judge.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Have you seen Upping's been worse.
Speaker 2:Apparently they're going to do like the.
Speaker 1:Challenging.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the all-star game Real quick the minor league's been doing it.
Speaker 1:I watched it Real quick, dude. I was at a game. I've been at a couple of games. They dudes sit up, challenge the ball. I'm talking. This shit was a foot off the plate and it was called a strike. It is so funny to watch the umpire get it wrong and then everybody cheer. They should be doing that already.
Speaker 2:They should be Again. They're just trying to do it in a way that doesn't put a bunch of those old white dudes out of work.
Speaker 1:Well, in the minor leagues I did notice that a lot of the calls were not argued. There was one that was, you know, called on, but it's not used super often. I think it makes them tighten up.
Speaker 2:They have to uh so the calls get better. If you are not going to do it and make their stats, like either you're going to put them up against each other and say, hey, your stats truly matter, what you need to actually make the right calls, or you're not going to be playing in the games, you're going to be send you down to send you down to the triple a. So like you need to either do that or they just start bringing up challenges and bringing up robot umpires because as bad as it's been, it's awful and heck. All we need you for is to be able to yell at, to be able to help the teams play better when they're on the field. I'm like, dude, you guys got to actually do your job better.
Speaker 1:I agree. I just think you guys are there and I think it's a good thing, because close pitches if we just go to robots, close pitches are balls.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's pain.
Speaker 2:You would like there to be a little bit of wiggle room to to reward pitchers from having the pitches is like a few inches bigger.
Speaker 1:I'm talking like two or three on every side yeah cool, you have a slider that breaks down be consistent great, but the only other thing is like catcher framing. Yeah, so because they have to deceive them of the pitch. The catcher has to because they have to stand in different areas. Right. So it happened actually to yesterday. It happened.
Speaker 1:Kyle Riley set up inside the ball, came low on the slider and it was a strike, they called it a ball and they walked. Ben Rice, I was like okay, and then it was the Cardinals and another red team.
Speaker 1:I don't remember which one, but just terrible calls Like bad after bad, after bad. And then like, because I watched this one on a review, the guy who was reviewing it took the exact X and Y coordinates. There was 26 other pitches like that. Guess how many were called a ball, half of them One and it was that game that call. Every other one was swung at and then 13 of them were called a strike. So 25 times that ball was called a strike. I'm talking it's corner of the zone, fastball, right there. It was called a strike just before that Same pitch and it's called a ball. How does that happen? How do you get that kind of discrepancy? And it's because JT, realmilto, realmilto, jt, realmilto, realmilto.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to try to Just let it rock. Just let it rock.
Speaker 1:I don't know His name's hard. He's a shitty. He framed it different because he was trying to fake a change up. So he had to frame it different. So he had to catch it and he kind of stabbed at it. So it was called a ball. That kind of shit's like alright, nope. I'm challenging that. That kind of stuff is where it's helpful. Yeah, for sure, but again, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You've got to do something, because you can watch so many clips on TikTok of umpires making terrible calls and they're all over the place. So I'm just like, if it's that bad, you have to do something about it. If the umpires aren't going to change, you got to make some changes somewhere. And I like the MLB to do so, because it's the easiest way to bring it out and kind of be like, hey, it's a one-time thing and let fans figure out, because, again, fans already know about it. It's the first time, it's happened in your minor leagues and
Speaker 2:they did it during the regular, during the preseason, when they're all in spring training.
Speaker 1:It was great they did it there and it was working it, but like you've been doing it for like the last two years in your minor league, apparently the teams.
Speaker 2:they teams have won 52.2 percent of the ball strike challenges during spring, the spring training test. That was his past spring training, so like it was working. So, with that being the case, I'm just like, if it's something to help, especially in the big moments, why not? But again, that's how it starts. Then you start doing all this, but again, I don't know. Umpires need to be able to be checked, man, because at the end of the day, in all of pro sports, the one problem that most players have teams have is that umpires can make these umpires referees.
Speaker 1:They can make these calls and they don't have to be held accountable for it.
Speaker 2:They don't have to go speak to the media, they don't have to do none of that and they just say, oh, mistakes happen or heck. In the NBA. They release like a whole little newsletter thing saying what the umpire, what the refs got wrong, but it doesn't change what happened in the game already. So I'm like, if they don't have to be held us held accountable, held responsible at all, and these email these players, their money gets affected by it, their chances for championships get affected by it, coaches get fired, it doesn't help that like especially in mlb.
Speaker 1:It's a huge problem in mlb. Right, they can't fire these guys right like I. I think it was in like 2007. I read this article angel hernandez sued the mlb because he said it was racial discrimination. He's been passed up.
Speaker 2:As it was more sooner than that, for even more reasons than I was. No, no, it was a while ago or maybe he did it again more recently twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, they said he said it was racial discrimination. I think he did it twice. Yeah, they said he said it was racial discrimination. He'd been passed up as crew chief. He's been passed up For the award series Because they earn more money Doing those games, right, you know? And MLB said no, you're awful, you fucking suck, you suck. You have not been passed up Because of racial discrimination. You've been passed up Because you don't show the ability to make these calls. So mlb knows you're bad and everybody hates you. No one likes you. This is an 07. He umped for another like 15 years.
Speaker 2:He just retired, not this past year, the year before maybe. Dude. 15 years, you he. Everybody knew how bad he was and he still was able to there's nothing we could do how? How does that?
Speaker 1:make sense and everybody was like, hey, can't we just give him a role, not behind the plate? He knows the rules, he understands the rules.
Speaker 2:To which MLB did the same thing They'd love to, but there's a union that keeps them from doing that.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but they said the same thing. He gets the calls wrong everywhere. He gets them wrong at first base, he gets them wrong at third. He gets them wrong when he's the second base umpire. He gets them wrong when he's outfield umpire. He's just not a good umpire. Yes, he knows the rules but he's not able to make these calls, which makes me think you're just not paying attention, you just aren't watching the game. I understand, dude, it's the craziest thing, there's no way possible.
Speaker 2:You're just not watching the game.
Speaker 1:Again. Then there's umpires. I don't remember his name. I feel bad for not knowing his name. He does a lot of World Series games because he is the most accurate umpire, because he sets himself up. He's always behind the plate, he sets himself up in between the catcher and batter. He shifts sides based on where the batter is so he can better see the zone and he has like a 98% correct call Because he's setting himself up to where he can call the correct call. Yeah, do what he has to do. That's the kind of guy that needs to get paid more, like I want you for every game.
Speaker 2:There should be a way for umpires to get challenged based off of that yes, and be able to say, hey, if you're better at your job, you get paid more or you get the better.
Speaker 1:There should be merit for it, right. Too many times it doesn't happen. I think in the NFL A lot of the calls they make are okay. I don't complain about them, it's just Y'all make really shitty calls In the biggest moments, when they're bad.
Speaker 2:It's absolutely insane. Yes, other than that, I'm like. Alright, it's deplorable Other than that, again.
Speaker 1:If I'm a fan of a team, I watched T Higgins hold the fuck out of Joey Porter and go catch a touchdown. They didn't call that shit. I didn't see it. But you as a Steelers fan, you're like what the fuck is that? Again, those kind of calls are not made, made based on one the kind of players Joey Porter and T Higgins hold the fuck out of each other. Unless it's truly egregious, they don't call it. There's a lot of grabbing. You got to let it go, yeah, and that's fine If you see these kind of plays.
Speaker 2:Human error is one thing, but it's just when the egregious errors happen. You haven't called this all game.
Speaker 1:It has to be a course of action. It is now fourth quarter, a minute 30 left in the Super Bowl, and now you call it Heck in the Texas game Texas and. Georgia last year no, it was Texas and fucking um no, no, no, where?
Speaker 2:they made the call and then just straight up picked up the flag. No, it was.
Speaker 1:Texas and Iowa. No, where did Scataboo go? Arizona State yes yes, yes, it was Texas, and Arizona State yeah, in the playoff.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:They had made good calls for Arizona all game and the calls were warranted. Great, it was just suddenly.
Speaker 2:That's not roughing the it not, it was targeting right, they called it and then picked up the flag. Because players, because the fans threw the bottles on the field yeah, they started complaining and then in all that time they wouldn't picked up the flag because they're like oh, we watched the replay. I'm like that's not how that goes.
Speaker 1:You make the call yes, and then you do that. You're playing.
Speaker 2:You see the dude's head whip back because he launched himself at his head Like how does that not targeting it doesn't make any sense. Arizona State loses that game because of that and everybody's like that is straight up targeting One for one targeting.
Speaker 1:And I watched a few weeks ago OSU get a dude ejected for not that OSU gets called.
Speaker 2:You get called for targeting a lot, a lot, and I look at it, I'm like that's Every time.
Speaker 1:Not targeting. It was during a Michigan State game. I think one time it happens so much man, and I remember being here sitting together and I looked at it and I'm like that wasn't targeting.
Speaker 2:I have a very bad relationship with targeting calls because I was like my guy is not defenseless.
Speaker 1:Dude catches the ball, doesn't get a chance to turn Nope and is straight head. Yeah, he unconscious. Yeah, I'm sorry, that's a targeting call, right.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a challenge. How do you get to look on the big screen because you're picking up bottles and then change your mind Because it wasn't a challenge?
Speaker 1:your mind because it wasn't a challenge, nothing like that. That's not something in the rules. No, how is that the case, doesn't?
Speaker 2:make tennessee have to challenge that.
Speaker 1:Call arizona I mean texas tell you, I'm not the same color scheme.
Speaker 2:My bad, the same color they would not say that it's burnt orange and like something else I don't know. The cover with tennessee calls it I think texas is darker texas, burnt orange is what they call it. Not by, not by a lot, it's not much different.
Speaker 1:If they're on the same field, I would be lost. Who is who? One of you need to wear black.
Speaker 2:Especially amongst the fans. One of you need to wear white.
Speaker 1:Especially amongst the fans. I don't know who's who the? Only way I know one is Tennessee is they usually have like a checkered pattern Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Texas always has the white helmets.
Speaker 1:Yes, but again stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Come on, you can't help your season. That doesn't help the umpires.
Speaker 1:I think in the NBA it's a little bit harder, since guys are typically playing a lot closer. But, SGA. That motherfucker should not have gone eight for 29 and somehow scored 44 points.
Speaker 2:Those, numbers don't add up, bro. So many foul calls Again, they can sell it a lot better. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:That's the thing In the NFL. They do that shit too. Real quick I watched motherfuckers not touch a quarterback and he just go.
Speaker 2:Oh, what are we doing when it comes to protecting quarterbacks? It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:It makes zero sense, or like the Mark Andrews, they did the Mark Andrews last year. It was a one-for-one hip drop tackle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, didn't call it at all.
Speaker 1:Legit dude just drops.
Speaker 2:And goes to pull him back by his hips. How is that not a hip drop?
Speaker 1:No one calls it, I think me and you were watching this game and you said you were like that's a hip drop tackle. I was like, yeah, it's a routine hip drop tackle Not called Because, again, one that's a really hard thing to call.
Speaker 2:It is, it's all subjective, it's literally. But again that one was not, that was a hip drop tackle. They only added that rule so they can sit there and find people on the back end. Yes, but actually in the game they don't want umpires, they don't want them to call it no, Because, like hey, it's subjective. We don't want to have to explain this the week after, like Monday, after all the Sunday games. They just don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited. I want to watch football. So bad man. We're getting there. We're close.
Speaker 2:Playing college football has made me realize I want to watch football Apparently yesterday was 50 days until Ohio State plays Texas and I'm like they play early, they play before Day, not Labor Day is it?
Speaker 1:It would be Labor Day, the ninth month. Yeah, labor Day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they play right before that. So, with all that being said, we're getting there, I know but I'm just so bored I enjoy baseball.
Speaker 1:I enjoy watching baseball.
Speaker 2:It's the dog days, man, you just can't pay attention.
Speaker 1:But again, baseball games. I put them on when I'm at work.
Speaker 2:It's a grind bro.
Speaker 1:It's on when I'm at work. It's something to watch. I don't have shows to watch. It's two hours. I'm going to watch this game. I'm going to unfortunately have to watch a Rockies game Because, holy dude, I've seen a lot of bad teams. The Rockies are sad. You know what's the easiest stadium to hit in? Because they're so high up. Ball flies a little different when you're so high up. Oh yeah, because the elevation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes total sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a hitter's paradise. Why do you?
Speaker 2:have no one that can put the ball up. Man, it's just you know, Sorry.
Speaker 1:It's such a huge discrepancy. I was watching a video on it.
Speaker 2:It's just the dog days at MLB. It's really hard to kind of stay locked into. It is because there's a lot of games, A lot of games I've probably caught like 20 or 30.
Speaker 1:That's a lot, dude. I know there's some old guys that's probably watched every single one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some lifers bro, good on you.
Speaker 1:I am catching 30 of like the big games and a couple of the small games.
Speaker 2:And I'll be here for the playoffs. I'll watch every game.
Speaker 1:I will Like the small ones. Right, I want to see a certain pitcher. Right, I want to see a certain player. I want to see how they do. Yep, I'm not watching the Rockies versus the White.
Speaker 2:Sox, go fuck yourself. I won't do it. I won't, no, no, it doesn't matter long term, it doesn't matter to me right now. So why would I sit here and watch?
Speaker 1:it Like if it's a team, if there's two teams that I know might make the playoffs and they're not the.
Speaker 2:Yankees.
Speaker 1:I'll watch it. I want to see a good game, but if you're below number 12, I'm not watching those games.
Speaker 2:It's so different because I can watch two bad NFL teams play and still have fun watching it, because it's it's a one-week thing. Again, when they have so little inventory, every game matters that much more.
Speaker 1:Every game does matter. I'm watching the Cardinals and the fucking Colts play a game and like it's just ass football, but it's fun to watch. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 2:You can still have fun watching it.
Speaker 1:It's something to watch, dude.
Speaker 2:And the MLB. It's just so different and heck in the NBA.
Speaker 1:it's the same thing I try to watch less NFL games than I do.
Speaker 2:MLB games, yeah, but are that much more heightened in importance?
Speaker 1:in a way that MLB games aren't. There's so little Right. It is what it is.
Speaker 2:It is what it is. You got anything else for baseball or you want to move on? All right, Football. There is one big thing we had to recap. This will be the thing. We've already had this conversation over the last couple weeks, but we at least have to have it on the pod About my team, the Steelers. They made the big trade. Don't laugh, motherfucker, I hate you so much. So this was on 11 days ago. This is right before July 4th. The Steelers and Miami Dolphins made a trade.
Speaker 1:Turn the AC on niggas.
Speaker 2:We shouldn't acknowledge that. We're just going to keep going. They made a trade with Miami and so they traded Minka Fitzpatrick and a 2027 fifth round pick. You gave them a pick In 2027, two years from now, it don't matter you gave them a pick, a fifth round pick. You gave them a pick to get butt raped I don't think that. But they traded those two things to get cornerback Jalen Ramsey, tight end Johnnie Smith and a 2027 seventh-round pick. Let me just give the facts before you start freaking out. All right, okay, fine, I'll start with the Steelers side. Apparently, from everything that I've watched and seen, last year Minka was not Minka's still a great safety, awesome safety, top five safety in the NFL. He did not make as many splash plays as usual last year. He's a little bit more hurt over the last couple years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, splash plays were your problem. As a team. Yeah, the splash plays were your problem last year. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:As a team, we kept getting raped up the middle when it comes to against the run. I think we have now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it totally totally wasn't, because you couldn't score more than 14 points. That too that for sure was a problem. Yeah, but Minka's splash plays was the problem. I'm talking about this specifically.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about this specific trade. All right, let me get through this, motherfucker, let me get through this, okay. Yeah, we're going to get fucking torched in a second. Okay, we're going to get absolutely blast. Okay, as well as that, apparently, the Steelers and Minka were not necessarily on the same page.
Speaker 1:They were not on the same page when it comes to as how the defense was playing.
Speaker 2:And all of that On top of the fact that Minka was on like he had, like his like this year and the next year on his contract. So I'm guessing the Steelers did not have any thoughts that they were going to sign him to a long-term deal for his next contract. So with them trading for Jalen Ramsey, I think Jalen Ramsey is getting paid like $20-something million. The Steelers gave him a $1.5 million raise for coming to the Steelers. The Dolphins are paying a portion of that. So the Steelers are not paying all of that money for Jalen Ramsey this year. Johnnie Smith Johnnie Smith is looking for a new deal. The Steelers gave him a one-year $12 million deal. So he'll be playing not just this season but next season. He signed for the next two years, that type of shit. Yeah Great, I tied it. You didn't. Not just this season, but next season.
Speaker 1:He signed for the next two years, type of shit. Yeah, great, I tied in, you didn't fucking need.
Speaker 2:And then the seventh round pick was a swap with the fifth round pick. Again, it's in 2027, two years from now. I really don't care. The difference between a fifth round pick and a seventh round pick is wipe your ass. It may matter, it may not matter, who knows, sometimes it doesn't, it doesn't really matter. Fifth round picks Like can be just as much With busts as sevenths.
Speaker 1:That's true, unless your fifth round picks A back.
Speaker 2:Right for sure. Depending on the position.
Speaker 1:There's some positions that like that's a.
Speaker 2:Right, you're still getting a guy that can play.
Speaker 1:You can get a great running back. You can get a Safety.
Speaker 2:A receiver can come up and play some pretty good balls. A center, A round guy? Yeah for sure there's a lot of Linemen. There's specific positions that are like you have an injury issue or there's something wrong with you, we can teach you. We'll make you a better player. Yes, that's what.
Speaker 1:Jamar Stewart should have been Sorry.
Speaker 2:I have no ill will against him, but damn dude, you got four years. Sorry, but he's a physical freak though that I'll never see play.
Speaker 1:We're not to redraft as of right now.
Speaker 2:We're not to redraft yeah, for sure, I'm about to see his ass play for a&m again. Okay, so on the dolphin side yeah they're getting a safety back that'll be able to play for them. Make us great, they're getting their safety back.
Speaker 1:You guys just rented him for a couple years and the dolphins got him back a little bit.
Speaker 2:We paid him a good amount of money during that time too. We paid him multiple times, but okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you let the Dolphins. Y'all fucked the Dolphins because they were tanking, just for the Dolphins to get their fucking 17-inch slong. Put it straight down your throat.
Speaker 2:It wasn't that bad and gave you an old-ass DB with leg injuries.
Speaker 1:John O Smith's pretty good. He's not as good as Pat Friermuth but he's pretty good.
Speaker 2:That might be the more unsung portion of the trade where I think the John New Smith will be a bigger impact than Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, fucking dip, you have a safety, which is where he's going to be playing.
Speaker 2:They say he's going to play slot safety. They're going to let him move around the defense If you put him in slot.
Speaker 1:And Jamar Chase is in slot. That boy is cooked. That is a touchdown 115 yards.
Speaker 2:I'm guessing he's not going to be facing Jamar Chase?
Speaker 1:He should never face anybody on the Bengals wide receiver role.
Speaker 2:Look, I think Jalen Ramsey can still play some good ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, Of course he can. No, the fuck he can't. You have a bunch of old-ass DBs in Joey Porter. These DBs are on the last contract that they will ever get. Darius Slay is not getting another contract. Jalen Ramsey is not getting another contract.
Speaker 2:Darius Slay is around the same age.
Speaker 1:They're just over 30, dude, and they both weren't that good last year.
Speaker 2:Darius Slay was good on a championship.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, the rest of the defense is very good. Darius Slade just wasn't a hole in the defense because their second day was so good that white boy was the best on DB on the roster.
Speaker 2:No he wasn't.
Speaker 1:It's that say differently.
Speaker 2:Look, I just think and this is where I get to this from the Steelers side of it- John Smith will be a great, because if you're not going to, be able to get a wide receiver number two.
Speaker 1:I'm going to watch week one and week two so I can watch your Ohio State receivers absolutely butt, rape you while they get over 100 yards. Look, jsn and Garrett Wilson are going to absolutely murder you.
Speaker 2:Maybe, dude, let's be honest, Not to mention it'll be Justin Fields throwing to him. Oh, that's just a cherry on top. Yeah, I know it sucks for me.
Speaker 1:Can we go back to your schedule real quick? This has to tend to outlook.
Speaker 2:Can I just give my outlook on it first, before we do that?
Speaker 1:The outlook is that of a meth addict and delusional. Not delusional Because there is no other Steelers fan that feels the way you do no.
Speaker 2:No, I am very mid on the whole thing, I am.
Speaker 1:Okay, Fuck your feelings. I'm going to bring you back to reality. I want the Bengals to go 17-0. That shit's not happening Right In reality. Ramsey ain't nearly as good as Mika Fitzpatrick. John O Smith was just an add-in At safety. Yes, john O Smith was just an add-in, because they didn't want to pay him.
Speaker 2:Right, y'all lost in this deal. I don't think we lost, okay, whatever, I think it's a very mid move for both teams. To be honest with you, I hope Minka's the best safety in the NFL, so y'all can get the same feeling I got after losing again. I love minka.
Speaker 1:I really do I really not enough, clearly, because you, uh, you are trying to look at this like it is a good move for either team.
Speaker 2:It is a bad no, no, no, you and you alone, I think it's.
Speaker 1:They shall put his contract off onto you guys, because that is what they did. They didn't want to play a db that I don't think he played a full year last year. Even if he did, he wasn't that good.
Speaker 2:What is one of the biggest complaints from Steelers fans about the team? Your offense is trash. No, sorry, philosophically. Not necessarily about the actual players on the team, but philosophically from the ownership down when it comes to the front office. What is the biggest problem that people have that are fans of the Steelers? I can tell you, if you don't know.
Speaker 1:You guys don't draft quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:They're never bad enough to draft quarterbacks, but that's one thing. To draft a good quarterback at the top of the draft, that's one thing.
Speaker 1:The Steelers don't make any widespread changes. Oh my fucking God, there's widespread changes, ass, you should have just traded TJ Watt. Actually, go get something.
Speaker 2:No, you made a. They're going to. They're going to.
Speaker 1:You made a subpar move After making this move, they have to sign. Tj, you made a mediocre ass move to do nothing. There's no widespread change. You did nothing. This is nothing on top and then you get two players you don't fucking need. Your team stayed exactly the same, but got worse.
Speaker 2:I think Johnnie Smith was needed because we don't have a wide receiver. Two, whatever you want to say your team got worse.
Speaker 1:Pat Fryer-Muth was your wide receiver. Two you don't need Johnnie Smith.
Speaker 2:But now we need to have wide receiver three.
Speaker 1:That's great, you're just going to run two tight end sets, need John Uso, but now we need to have wide receiver three. We actually can run out two. You're just going to run two tight end sets. You did not get better, you got worse. Your team got worse. This was not a widespread change. This was a shitty fucking move. This move was bad From just a overall I am an NFL fan standpoint. No one agrees with what you're saying, right?
Speaker 2:now. No, I agree with that fact.
Speaker 1:Everybody agrees with this was a bad move. There's no widespread change. You still kept all the other players. Your team got worse in the secondary because now you don't have an actual ball hawk back there that can bat down a ball. I know he can bat down a ball. I've watched him play Almost his entire career. I have watched him play. Now you have Jalen Ramsey back there who is nowhere near young enough to actually play that position, nowhere near as skilled as Minka is, can't actually play DB no more because he is not who he was. You got worse. Your team got worse. Widespread moves. To do what?
Speaker 2:Just go 9 and 8 again. I only mention the widespread move because if people have that problem they make this move, If it goes to shit, it goes to shit.
Speaker 2:Again, the Steelers have done more with less. So I'm not saying I think I made this claim that this move in particular is throwing a bunch of it's like a witch making a concoction together, throwing in a frog's foot All this other shit together. Will the shit explode in our faces? Potentially Probably. They really are. They are playing with fire here. I am not necessarily saying that this is wildly good. They're going to make them a Super Bowl contender and all that shit. No, it's not. Again, we might barely make the playoffs and maybe win a playoff game. That's play a fuck out of you're not winning a playoff game again.
Speaker 1:I don't know whatever, but I just think that if for people that say they want changes, at least they're trying something. Dude, this is whatever.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever this is okay, I'll ask you one question yeah this trade never happens. They stick with the team they have. The same shit happens anyway. Okay, cool. So why would you willingly get worse, just to still not? I don't think it's really this trade never happens.
Speaker 1:They stick with the team they have. The same shit happens anyway. Okay cool, so why would you willingly get? Worse. I don't think it's really worse. It's worse, it's worse. Your defense has gotten worse. You don't even have a top pick. Your offense is staying nowhere Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever. Well, we can disagree on that. I just think that.
Speaker 1:No one agrees with you. I'm not all that. No one agrees with you, I'm not crazy positive about this deal either. I'm not crazy positive about it. If no one agrees with you, that means you're wrong. If I say the sky is blue, 99 other people say the sky is blue, but you say, no, it's green.
Speaker 2:You know what that means.
Speaker 1:You're fucking wrong.
Speaker 2:I think my difference I difference for me is is that I still think there's a chance that it might go well.
Speaker 1:okay, cool if no one else agrees like five percent guess what that means? You're still wrong. Maybe it's not like everybody's agreeing on a wrong thing and you're the one that's right. No, everybody's agreeing on a right thing and you're the one that's wrong, because steelers fans don't believe this I.
Speaker 2:I maybe we're on different sides of social media because I think that's there's a lot of people that think this is going to make them Super Bowl contender. I'm like, I'm down. They're not even close to that. All right, whatever, I just think I come again. I've been, I've been in this thing where I'm like the when the for a championship winning or for a team that's supposed to be a cleverest class if their whole big goal is to win a playoff game, we're fucked in the first place. So what are we doing?
Speaker 1:Whatever you want to, say I think you lose more games this year.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, because they've done more with less. Do you want to go through the schedule? Go for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we beat the Jets.
Speaker 2:Fuck out of here. We beat the Jets. No, you don't, no you don't.
Speaker 1:We do how. Their offense is better than yours.
Speaker 2:TJ Watt will be healthy at his best. I think all these players that you think are old, they will be their healthiest. And I think that Gary Wilson will get his and again, I think Justin Fields will be better this year. I keep seeing clips of him. But there's no way to guarantee that they'll be ready to go week one Week two against the Seahawks. Lose, all right Is it at. Seahawks.
Speaker 1:You are. No, you're at the Jets, you're home. Against the Seahawks, I still think you lose their defense. Their secondary is elite.
Speaker 2:Their secondary was bad, their defense was bad last year.
Speaker 1:but I think it was better. Their front seven was bad. Their secondary is very good. Week three you're at Patriots.
Speaker 2:Win. Patriots aren't good. Week four Vikings, I think we win. If we play the Vikings later on this season, I think we lose. Do you believe in JJ McCarthy, yes or no?
Speaker 1:I believe in their teams better than yours.
Speaker 2:I don't believe in JJ McCarthy whatsoever.
Speaker 1:We're six at the Browns. At Browns, no, browns, no.
Speaker 2:We win.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're not beating the Bengals At Bengals or two, it does not fucking matter.
Speaker 2:You think we're just going to go to get you at this point. I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Dude, there's no one back there to be scared of your secondary. Joey Porter couldn't even stop T Higgins. You think anybody would stop Jamar Chase? I think one of them is going to have to guard Jamar Chase, and none of them can do it.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's going to probably be two on one go well for him. I think it'll go better this year. I think he'll become a better player.
Speaker 1:This nigga's had several touchdowns on Joey Porter's head. Yeah, fine, and both games. Every time he's played T Higgins has had 100 yards, but he's not getting punked, but every time they've played he's had 100 yards and at least a touchdown. Yeah, but at least you know what that means, that he's won every matchup Higgins against Joey Porter.
Speaker 2:He had two touchdowns on 110 yards.
Speaker 1:He got punked, yes, but it was a fight. Two touchdowns on 110 yards. What fight did he put up?
Speaker 2:He's doing that against a lot of corners. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Exactly Joey Porter's, your best corner. There is a difference.
Speaker 2:Yes, but Joey Porter Jr is still getting better. He's in his third year as a pro. I agree he. I agree he's getting better. Okay, that's what I'm saying, but it still won't change the fact that he can't guard T Higgins.
Speaker 1:Whatever you want to say, dude Packers, you're losing the Packers.
Speaker 2:I don't trust Jordan Love, but okay, you think you beat the Packers. I don't trust Jordan, love you beat the Packers Say those words.
Speaker 1:Yes, we beat the Packers. Fuck out of here. If you lose to the Colts, I would off myself. You should off yourself.
Speaker 2:Me too.
Speaker 1:At Chargers.
Speaker 2:We beat the Chargers. We beat them last year with the worst team.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:You think you beat the Bengals? We're not Again.
Speaker 1:I don't think Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:I can go one against you At the Bears. Yes, we beat the Bears. The Bears aren't good.
Speaker 1:You don't beat the Bills.
Speaker 2:No, you do not beat the Ravens. No.
Speaker 1:Dolphins, it's week 15. They're coming to us. We beat them. We're lucky on that one. You do not beat the Lions?
Speaker 2:No, we don't. We might get dicked out by the Lions at that point. It's the Ravens. You guys right? No, you'll beat the Browns again and then the. Ravens right, week 18? Yeah, we lose to the Ravens. We go 0-2. No, sorry, we lose to the Ravens. I meant lose, not beat them. My bad, oh, okay, we go 0-2 against the Ravens. Bro, let me guess 9-10 wins.
Speaker 1:Something like that. You think you win 11 games.
Speaker 2:It's probably less than that, probably 10. Again, I was guessing 9 or 10. Okay, I don't think we're winning 11 games.
Speaker 1:I really don't. I think the Bengals defense is 11 games. I really don't. I think the Bengals' defense is so bad. I think your offense is worse. I think you're a bottom five offense next year.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's going to be the case. Okay, we have a young running back that knows what he's doing. Young, coming from Iowa, he knows how to be a bell cow.
Speaker 1:He is amazing. Pat Frymuth is amazing. That is it, my bad.
Speaker 2:We have DK Metcalf. What's his name?
Speaker 1:Tight end. You guys saw Jawan Johnson. That's a Saints tight end. I totally forgot the dude's name. I don't know. Francis Ngannou, it's something African, what is it?
Speaker 2:It's, it's.
Speaker 1:I'm forgetting too, you don't?
Speaker 2:know, he's just a borderline blocker, it's all he is. Yes, yeah I understand Dude.
Speaker 1:you didn't get better Dude. I'm sorry, I think.
Speaker 2:Johnny Smith was a pro bowler last year he makes our team better. You just said his name Johnny Smith. Is that who it is? I thought you were talking about the guy we drafted from Georgia, who's like a big borderline blocker, who the Darnell Washington.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, john O'Smith.
Speaker 2:John O'Smith was a Pro Bowler last year. Dude With the Dolphins who sucked.
Speaker 1:Okay, real quick. The Pro Bowl is not impressive.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I also think the Dolphins are so bad. The fact that he was able to have a career year, I think, with him Eli.
Speaker 1:Apple was a pro bowler once. Did you know that? Please shut the fuck up about him being a pro bowler. That shit's not impressive. If he was an all-pro, that's impressive.
Speaker 2:Get the fuck out of my face. I need to look up his stats real quick. Who Jono? Smith Okay, fucking pro bowler. I need to look up his stats real quick. Who, john O'Smith? Okay, fucking pro bowler, I don't give a fuck. Last year he had 88 receptions 884 yards and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1:That's great.
Speaker 2:And you get to add him along with Pat Frymuth, you know who had more but wasn't a pro bowler Trey McBride. He had no touchdowns last year, though he had like one.
Speaker 1:Oh great, how many Marvin Harrison have, how many that team probably has. A whole only had like 10.
Speaker 2:Marvin Harrison had more, but it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1:Again, that team was not good. And Trey McBride he had well over 1,000 yards. He was easily probably the best tight end in the NFL. But everyone knows you're the best option on the team because he's not throwing to Marvin Harrison. So we're just going to throw a linebacker and a slot DB on you.
Speaker 2:It still didn't work that often.
Speaker 1:It didn't, except in the red zone, where there's nowhere to go and you're six foot four yeah.
Speaker 2:And Kyler can't see how the offense is playing. No, he can't.
Speaker 1:Real quick. They're awful in the red zone. Yeah, it has to be a big player. He's not, he can't, and they can't.
Speaker 2:They weren't able to run the football effectively because James. Connors always hurt. Do I think we're winning 11 games? No, I think we're going to win 9 or 10 games. Get to the playoffs, hope to win a playoff game, but again, that's the fucking ceiling.
Speaker 1:That's where I've sat. 9 or 10 is ambitious bro.
Speaker 2:That is ambitious. We have done exactly nine game win seasons with Duck Hodges as our quarterback. Duck fucking Hodges.
Speaker 1:Even Aaron Rodgers at 41 years old think your offense was better at the time, even Aaron Rodgers at 41 years old. Your offense was better at the time. You had a better offense piece at the time.
Speaker 2:No, we didn't, you had a better O-line at the time too. I just think that we have done more with less.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've seen what Aaron Rodgers gave last year. I think Duck Hodges would be a blessing to you right now. I don't think so. A blessing to you right now. I don't think so, I don't think so, I really don't think so Mason Rudolph would be a fucking blessing to you.
Speaker 2:Mason Rudolph's on the team. He's there. That nigga should be starting. Look, I'm not saying you're saying peach and cream either. I'm just saying this team is destined to win eight or nine, ten games, lose a playoff game.
Speaker 1:That's what it is. Nothing else for me Next time.
Speaker 2:Alright, next time, all right. Um, that okay. Did you hear about the, the, the coercion stuff? It was a whole big thing there was a one big trial about, from the nflpa to the end to the against the nfl, pretty much saying during the year where um deshaun like remember, uh russell wilson, um kyler, murray and um why am I forgetting the freaking herbal? All of them were kind of going to become they're all looking for the money around the same time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there in this collusion case, they kind of came up and they were able to prove that there were texts between when the ari Arizona Cardinals signed Kyler, the owner for the Chargers texted that owner for the Cardinals and said, hey, thank you for signing Kyler to not a guaranteed deal, because that'll help us out for when we have to sign our guy, pretty much proving that all the NFL coaches, all the NFL teams are willing to collude with each other to make sure that the players don't get guaranteed contracts. And that was at the same time that Russell Wilson was at the height of his powers. He was going from Seattle to Denver, he was looking for a fully guaranteed contract as well and they told him no as well. And it was all again.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure. It all went badly after that, but at the time he was like he was still the Russell Wilson. Everybody thought he was that dude let Russell Wilson cook. Which is what that Russell Wilson that was at that time. It's pretty much been proven that it was collusion happened. But apparently during that time that there was a um, there was an agreement signed that nobody would talk about the actual ruling. So it never came out until some reporters came out and they found it a couple weeks ago. And now the nflpa is um challenging that charge. They're what I figure, what they call it, but they they're challenging it. Right to try to get re re looked at how again everybody always thinks that there's collusion in the nfl and it's again when you're talking about to a certain point.
Speaker 1:huh, there is to a certain point, oh for sure, but there's not supposed to be NFL Again when you're talking about there is to a certain point.
Speaker 2:Huh, there is to a certain point, oh for sure, but there's not supposed to be so legally the idea that these NFL owners are all coming together and apparently there's a whole meeting where the NFL Roger Goodell brings in a guy that says, hey, this is how all of you NFL teams should run your teams, which isn't supposed to happen. It's supposed to be 32 individual businesses all working to try to beat each other. Be the best as possible.
Speaker 1:Our owner must not go to those meetings. He must not be at those. My bad If they're doing that real quick. If the whole NFL is colluding, is my owner mentally deficient?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what are we doing?
Speaker 1:He's not well-electliked he doesn't want to pay money is what it is sorry I've been the nfl the smart steward stuff is making me more and more angry because I'm like I kind of want to see if he's good or not the nfl players kind of, kind of got, kind of got wind of the whole thing, and now they're pissed I would.
Speaker 2:They should be right. It's because the idea that, hey, I'm supposed to be in business with you, I didn't know. I was in the business with all the NFL. I forgot to mention at that same time Lamar Jackson was also a free agent and remember at the time he asked for a trade straight out hey, hey, you're not willing to pay me, trade me. None of the other teams in the NFL tried to make a trade for him because apparently at the time he was looking for a fully guaranteed contract and none of the none of the other nfl owners came up with any type of offer as to what they would want to give him when it comes to a fully guaranteed deal. So that kind of all comes into this whole thing.
Speaker 2:Now the nfl players are pissed. Like I said before, if I I'm supposed to be in business with you as an nfl team, why are you like? How can you all kind of talk to each other and kind of make sure all this doesn't happen when I'm supposed to be? The market's not supposed to be that way. Again, does it really matter long-term? Because probably none of it's going to change, because when it comes to the NFL, there's too many players that don't make a lot of money and when most of their careers only last three to five years. They're never going to sit there and make the long-term decision of, hey, we're not going to play it for a full season because that's a season of my career. I may not be playing in comparison to, like the high, high tier players of joe burrows, mars, where they're guaranteed a 10, 11, 12 nfl year nfl career of them making millions upon millions of dollars.
Speaker 2:So will ever truly change? I don't think so. There's too many players on it not making the money to be able to do so, especially in comparison to 32 NFL owners that, whether we like it or not, are either little B or big B millionaires. Sorry, little B or big B billionaires. At the end of the day, if they decide, hey, we can survive without having games for a year, nfl players cannot. And that's the part that creates such a power imbalance in the nfl that in comparison, like the nba players, they're making so much money from top to bottom in a way that nfl players aren't mlb2.
Speaker 2:Mlb is like the known as like the most powerful freaking um players union because they, every time there's a possibility they're willing to sit out games. That's kind of the culture they have like for so long, which is why they have fully get fully guaranteed deals and they make a lot more money in comparison to even the nba and even the nfl. So even in comparison, when they they're not watched as much as those other two uh sports are. So I don't know. It's a pretty cool thing to see in the mo. Sorry, the nfl pa is like saying they're challenging it now to try to save face. But I also think at the same time it's like mutually assured destruction. We're like, hey, the NFL players, they know they don't want to really fight for this long term because they know at the end of the day, when there's one side that's willing to hit the nuclear switch and the other side isn't, it's never going to go far enough to actually truly create equality within the sport of the NFL. That's all I got there.
Speaker 2:When it comes to other NFL stories, there's really not all that much happening right now. Again, we're in the middle of July. There's going to be camp happening in probably a month or so. When all that happens, I think things start to pick up. When it comes to stuff to talk about, college football, same thing. The college football game just came out. Me and Chase really haven't played long enough to have any type of opinion or really big conversation about it, but when it does happen it is good.
Speaker 2:Again, it's better than Madden already. I don't even need to see Madden to know that. So, honestly, as long as that's the case, that's all I truly care about. But as stuff comes up, we will keep talking about it. Hopefully we'll be more consistent about podcasting every week so we can, if anything pops up, we'll be ready to go, rather than having to recap two weeks worth of news. So that's all I got on that.
Speaker 2:Let's go ahead and do our division winners, slash records and all that. Start at the NFC West. Let's do it um nsc west. We got the cardinals, rams, niners, seahawks off the top of your head. Which team do you think would be the best in the division by the time? The season's over rams? I would think so too. The rams were be the best in the division by the time the season's over Rams? I would think so too. The Rams were probably the best team. They were the team that gave the Eagles on their on their run to go win a Superbowl. They're the team that gave the Eagles the toughest time.
Speaker 2:Matthew Stafford Again he's back. He's another year older, but again where he's at in his career. All if he's able to sit back there and fling the football around. He's more than good enough to do that. All the arm strength there and everything. Their defense was young last year but very good. They're only going to get better. They kept adding to that defense, which is even better for the Rams, and I think that and heck, they added Devontae Adams to that team.
Speaker 2:They did It'll be the and heck, they added Devontae Adams to that team.
Speaker 1:They did.
Speaker 2:So, like they replaced Cooper Cupp with Devontae Adams, who was a better version of him.
Speaker 2:It'll be Rams, seahawks, niners, cardinals. Can I make the case? Because obviously I don't think you've looked at the Niners schedule? Mm-hmm, can you look at that real quick? Because I think the NFL helped them out so much when it comes to their record that I think they actually might be better and potentially have a chance to win the division. But again, I think the the thing that teeters on that is that all their defense, because again all of their bigger name defensive players other than nick bosa and like pretty much left that team who funga's gone, freaking um, but I think both their corners are gone, like they lost so much on their defensive side, but their offense is still the same.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on, they lose to the seahawks. They're at seahawks. They'll beat the sands. They'll beat the cardinals. They're as good as the jaguars I don't trust jaguars.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't, I don't I don't trust niners either yeah, but I think the coaching for the jaguar for for the Niners is better.
Speaker 1:Which is why the Niners win. Niners so far probably have they're 3-1. They lose to the. Seahawks they're 3-2. They lose to the Rams they're 3-3. They lose to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the Falcons will be by this point.
Speaker 2:The Falcons could be very good.
Speaker 1:They could be awful.
Speaker 2:Michael Penix could be great.
Speaker 1:Or they could be bad. Or they could be bad. Yeah, that defense is still.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go, based off their good yeah, they added two great defensive ends in the draft.
Speaker 1:So I think they lose to the Falcons. That makes it 3-5. Right, they lose to the Texans. It's 3-6. Do they beat the Giants?
Speaker 2:Yes, at.
Speaker 1:New York.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That defense is not to be played with.
Speaker 2:I know, but offensively, who knows what they're going to be at quarterback by then? True, are they going to be starting the rookie? Who knows?
Speaker 1:how good Brock Purdy actually is. You don't have the talent around you. You once did, I don't.
Speaker 2:Again, they still have Chris McCaffrey. What's left of him?
Speaker 1:Again, everybody says he's great, he looks slow. I've seen clips where he looks slow. They still have. I think they lose to the Giants. I don't think so At the Giants. I think they do. I think that defense is not to be fucked with.
Speaker 2:Let me see here.
Speaker 1:They go over against the Rams. They lose to the Rams twice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably, I would say so Off the top of my head. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:And it's Lost, s-u-s. Lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost. Two, three, four, 5, 6.
Speaker 2:NFL team.
Speaker 1:That makes them 3-6. Now, are they beating the Giants or no?
Speaker 2:I think they beat the Giants.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll do 4-6. They'll beat the Cardinals 5-6. They'll beat the Paninals, the Cardinals. Five and six. They'll beat the Panthers. Six and six. They'll beat the Browns.
Speaker 2:Would you believe I?
Speaker 1:think this is where their schedule just goes Easy. They're beating the Browns. Oh, fuck off.
Speaker 2:The over-under for the Niners is ten and a half.
Speaker 1:When the end of their schedule looks like Cardinals, Panthers, Browns, Titans, Colts.
Speaker 2:I can't believe you. And the Bears Bears. The end of their schedule is like. That's like five, six wins in a row.
Speaker 1:But you're not beating the Seahawks. Again I see them losing to the Rams and Seahawks twice.
Speaker 2:My only problem with the Seahawks is potentially.
Speaker 1:Is Sam Darnold good or is he?
Speaker 2:bad and their office line is still bad. Again, if you can't protect Sam Darnold, he will make dumb mistakes.
Speaker 1:The Niners can't exactly capitalize on that. You have no more defense. Your defense ain't nearly as good as it was. You have Fred Warner and Nick Bosa. That's pretty much it, yeah, nothing else. And Nick Bosa, at this point in time, may not be on the field right now. That's a good yes. That's not necessarily a bad yes. That is not a bad take.
Speaker 2:But by the time they get to the Again, if they turn some of those I'm not sure into wins, they're going to be like 11-7.
Speaker 1:They're going to be a 10.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, exactly, 11-6, because they only played 17 games. So, like again, if they just turn some of those into wins, that's the part where I'm like, oh, maybe Because I foresee. Like I think they're the dark horse potentially in that division.
Speaker 1:You're losing twice to the Rams and you're losing twice to the Seahawks. That's two losses. Yes, and you don't beat Tampa Bay, Fuck. I can't even say no, no, they have seven losses. They're 10-7 from what we see.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:They don't beat the Seahawks, they don't beat the Rams, they don't beat Tampa Bay, they don't beat Atlanta, they don't beat Houston. They don't be the Rams.
Speaker 2:If they just flip one of those Seahawks games, that's like them making the playoffs. That's the difference. And again, I'm not saying the Seahawks. The Seahawks are not a ton better than the.
Speaker 1:Niners right now I just don't believe. So I know. But I think the Seahawks have a better defense and then more offensive pieces than the Niners.
Speaker 2:Yes, that I can.
Speaker 1:yes, they traded away most way, most of them but true, but again, they still have a, they still jason again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they kenny walker's still there. They showed a picture of kenny walker when he got drafted and what he looks like now. He's bald. He's bald and looks like three shades lighter. Yeah, like you haven't seen sunlight in so long. My nigga. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:I looked at.
Speaker 2:I go to the comments I don't even say that word. It makes me want to say I know.
Speaker 1:But I go to the comments and a dude's like this is what happens. This is what happens. This is what getting drafted to Seattle does to you and I was like damn Legit he's smiling in his picture, yeah he doesn't look malnourished, but I'm just like he just looks so much different.
Speaker 2:It's insane. But again, I'm just like they could easily turn one of those games, but that's, I think. Who's the dark horse in that division? I think the Rams should probably the Rams Seahawks and Niners.
Speaker 1:But I think the Seahawks and Niners sit real fucking close.
Speaker 2:Hold on. I think I want to look at the Seahawks record.
Speaker 1:real quick Hold on, I have it.
Speaker 2:Me too Versus Niners start of the season. I think Niners probably win that.
Speaker 1:No Seahawks win that. I don't foresee the Niners probably win that At Steelers. No Seahawks win that. I don't foresee the.
Speaker 2:Niners beating them twice. Okay, hey, at Steelers I would say win. You would say loss, fine, whatever, we'll go with what you say on this one We'll go with what? You say, okay, saints, beat the Saints.
Speaker 1:They beat the Cardinals Fuck. Their schedule is not easy.
Speaker 2:They got the Buccaneers, they're losing the. Buccaneers At the Jaguars. They beat the Jaguars.
Speaker 1:They're losing to Houston.
Speaker 2:They're losing to Houston.
Speaker 1:They're beating Arizona At the Rams. You're losing. You're beating Tennessee, minnesota again. I don't know what the fuck.
Speaker 2:Minnesota is.
Speaker 1:Who knows?
Speaker 2:what Minnesota is going. It's very good. But, again, it's all based on what JJ McCarthy's going to be Like. That really is that question.
Speaker 1:It's very much based on if they can fix their offensive line issues. It's also based on is your defense what it was two years ago where it was really really good, or was it what it is?
Speaker 2:last year and it was dog cheeks Like dog water and be able to keep up that type of play.
Speaker 1:It's a lot like 10-7. But again that 10-7 does rely on. Can you beat the Niners twice, Right Playing with the start and at the end of the year?
Speaker 2:And again, can they get better quarterback play from start to finish. Again, geno Smith as great as he is, I think he's still a good quarterback. He still can fall to face the earth at times and I think he's more consistent than Sam Darnold is, even though I don't think he has. Geno doesn't have the high mark of what he can be.
Speaker 1:They're the same player.
Speaker 2:Geno Smith has a higher floor. I agree, but Sam Darnold has a higher ceiling.
Speaker 1:Yes, but Geno Smith is hitting that floor more often From what we saw last year. He's hitting that floor a lot more often.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but his floor is higher than Sam Darnold's and when Sam Darnold hits that floor he looks like he shouldn't even be playing in the NFL.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to cap with you. I watched Gino Smith throw five interceptions at a game last year.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I think that's also when I think their floor is the same. No games at the end of the season. No For Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1:Where were the Seahawks At fucking home? You know why? Because this nigga threw three interceptions in the last game and didn't make the playoffs. You threw three interceptions and missed the playoffs because of that. He was that ass in their last game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Sam Darnold was too in those last two games.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry. We made the playoffs, the Seahawks. I watched this motherfucker throw three interceptions In big moments. I watched five, five.
Speaker 2:Who had a better wide receiver core, the Seahawks or the Vikings?
Speaker 1:They weren't even like good interceptions Like oh it's a tip ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Sam Darnold does that all the time too.
Speaker 1:No, I'm talking straight to a DB.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:JSN is nowhere in the vicinity.
Speaker 2:If you had to choose who had the harder job last year, it was definitely Geno.
Speaker 1:Okay, I agree with you, I do.
Speaker 2:I think Sam Darnold had everything handed to him and said hey, as long as we can protect you, all you have to do is sit there and make the play to the guy we want you to.
Speaker 1:I think the Vikings played better teams.
Speaker 2:Yes, but the— the.
Speaker 1:Seahawks didn't play the Cardinals twice. Get the fuck out of my face, fuck you. The Seahawks didn't play the Cardinals twice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the Vikings had a—.
Speaker 1:A harder fucking schedule. Fuck-ass, nigga.
Speaker 2:But their team is better, their schedule's harder.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, harder schedule Real quick. If the Seahawks Didn't beat the Cardinals Twice last year, this conversation's done. You understand that right.
Speaker 2:Right for sure you want to be close.
Speaker 1:Yes, I understand yes.
Speaker 2:I get it. I'm just saying I don't think they're all that different. A quarterback, I really don't Okay.
Speaker 1:That is great for you. I am happy you feel that way.
Speaker 2:Again, I just think Geno's a little bit better, that's it, when it comes to consistency. Just a little bit better, that's it. I'm not even saying that Geno's a lot better than Sam Darnold. I'm really not, because I think Sam Darnold, when everything is set up for him, he looks like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, which is what he was last year. He was on an MVP campaign until like the last three, four, five games of the season he started looking like ass, like that was the difference, but it's just, I don't know. Again, this is where Gino will have his opportunity to fit, to fix it, and when he's in the fix, his narrative, when I think everybody likes Gino. I don't think anybody actually hates Gino Smith. I think it's more on Sam Darnold to fix his what people look at him as, with him being with the Seahawks now they hated Gino Smith.
Speaker 1:Week 12, when they got through three interceptions. Get the fuck out of my face, fuck out of here, go fuck yourself, we're done. And I'm always one to believe we watched this nigga play a week 17 game where the score was 6-3. Get the fuck away from me. Don't ever speak to me again about the Seahawks. Geno Smith is worse than Sam Darnold 6-3?.
Speaker 2:Agree to disagree.
Speaker 1:Six to three.
Speaker 2:I think they're a very similar player.
Speaker 1:I really do. In all of Sam Darnold's starts I have never seen this nigga not complete a touchdown.
Speaker 2:Six to three. I'm seeing ghosts. Bro Sam Darnold has one of the all-time biggest, best memes because he was seeing ghosts against freaking the Patriots.
Speaker 1:What year was that?
Speaker 2:That was when the Patriots were pretty good at that point.
Speaker 1:Oh, Give me a year If we're talking about the perfect Patriots.
Speaker 2:I'd be seeing ghosts too. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Again, it does not matter, that's the Pats For sure I'm seeing ghosts.
Speaker 2:They have a defensive scheme that puts you in different moments.
Speaker 1:This nigga was 6-3 against the Bears. Everyone could have played a touchdown against the Bears. Jason still had 120 yards. Guess how many interceptions you don't have in the red zone. He had a few Above or below three.
Speaker 2:I'm guessing that you asked it's above. Fuck, right, it was.
Speaker 1:Guess how many it was.
Speaker 2:Five.
Speaker 1:Six.
Speaker 2:Get away from me. All right, Cardinals Marv's bulked up Trey McBride's still one of the best tight ends in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if y'all win three games, good on ya.
Speaker 2:This nigga Kyler Murray they got Walter Nolan, they got Will Johnson Great players. They got a couple of Ohio State guys Cody Simon, denzel, burke, paris.
Speaker 1:Johnson Jr. Great players, great players, great players.
Speaker 2:Great players, y'all do not win more than three games. I can't believe it. I'm sorry they're going to win more than three games.
Speaker 1:If you guys play the Panthers three times, yes.
Speaker 2:Do you want to know what the over-under is for them Five?
Speaker 1:The over-under for them is there's too many teams in the Cardinals.
Speaker 2:Oh, eight and a half, and I think they'll be right around eight and a half. I really do you lucky motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:You have Tennessee, indiana and Carolina on your schedule.
Speaker 2:You lucky bastards, you lucky motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:Are they better than Carolina? Yes, or are they equally as good as Carolina?
Speaker 2:I again, I just I cannot. Panthers don't have anything offensively, dude. They got a dude that barely can speak English.
Speaker 1:He speaks English, barely, barely.
Speaker 2:I have watched clips. Clips he's dating sexy red is he actually dating her or they just in a music video together?
Speaker 1:no, they're together. But you know, and I fell together, we're no cuz he was.
Speaker 2:No, he was the music video with freakin what's-her-face sexy red, no sexy red.
Speaker 1:Oh, gorilla, that's who it is, not Sexy Red One dude. He was like in the comments of the video. He was like if they have a kid, that kid will be speaking a different language. Because she's from Memphis. Yeah, memphis yeah.
Speaker 2:Memphis.
Speaker 1:And no one can understand what she's saying.
Speaker 2:And she's bleegs better than him at speaking. Way better than him, leagues better, like they're not even in the same universe. No, get him speaking more. Xavier Leggett, by the way, is the guy we're talking about Again. How do I remember that name?
Speaker 1:I don't remember OJ.
Speaker 2:It's how he talks, dude, it's just again. If you get him to speak any type of actual pace, you'll stop understanding anything he says.
Speaker 1:The Cardinals beat the Cowboys, by the way, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that.
Speaker 1:Monday. Night Football the light's too, bright. Sorry, I had to say it. Legit, that is the only game Monday. It is way bigger than the rest of them. You can tell which one is the Monday Night Football game oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:ES when it's the Monday night oh yeah for sure he has been definitely trying to push that one.
Speaker 1:The Cowboys get smoked yeah.
Speaker 2:Packed. I just never believe in the Cowboys, but again the Cardinals. If Kyler could just play good football. Do they beat the Saints? Yeah, they're starting a rookie quarterback, bro, it's either him or Spencer Rattler Again another name. Why do I remember that name and forget the others? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But it's either the rookie. Okay, so they beat the Saints, cardinals, tennessee and Indiana. Yeah. There's other names they win on here when Jacksonville?
Speaker 2:They have to rant to end their schedule. Who knows if the Falcons Will be by then?
Speaker 1:Okay okay, after Jacksonville.
Speaker 2:Uh huh.
Speaker 1:Tampa Bay L.
Speaker 2:Rams.
Speaker 1:L.
Speaker 2:Texans.
Speaker 1:L. Again, it's If the Falcons are good or not. This is the game they flip. Yeah, if the Falcons are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not a chance.
Speaker 2:Right If they're bad.
Speaker 1:It still may be a struggle.
Speaker 2:And then at Bengals. Bengals will be their best at that point. Even if they're not making the playoffs, they will be their best. So the Bengals will try to be. And then you're at the Rams again, you're not winning.
Speaker 1:So there is a very high likelihood. One, two, three, four, five there's six games in a row. You lose, right. There's a high likelihood for that for sure, and you're at.
Speaker 2:Seattle. But again I think they're good enough to where. If they could be a scrappy team, again they're good enough, but I just don't think they're.
Speaker 1:I believe the Cardinals as a whole is good enough. I don't believe Kyler Murray is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I believe the Cardinals is a team that they can be scrappy. I can foresee seven and did not take you serious, but I do not foresee Kyle and Murray being able to do it. That's my problem.
Speaker 2:First, so Dark Horse.
Speaker 1:I would trust the Seahawks more than I would the Niners, so I'd go one, two, three.
Speaker 2:I think the Niners schedule is so easy I think they'd be second in that division, but again I think they could very likely end up with the same record.
Speaker 1:I believe it's a 1A, 1B type thing. And this division could turn out to be one of the better divisions just because of how bad the Niners are Do we have to be the AFC South? I don't want to talk about three of those teams.
Speaker 2:We gotta go through it. You said you want to do three. We're doing three.
Speaker 1:There. There is no dark horse in that division. Legit, some of the teams I've seen in Jacksonville. They're on their schedule.
Speaker 2:Jacksonville has a lot of fucking losses. Is it crazy? Could it be the Colts, with Daniel Jones as their quarterback?
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, the Colts are the next best team in that division. How sad is that. No. Okay, who is it? Is it the Jaguars? I don't trust the Jags.
Speaker 2:Oh, then it's the Colts because it's not the fucking Titans. Is there a chance? The Titans? With a new quarterback at the helm? Could he have a dynamite year?
Speaker 1:Name one receiver.
Speaker 2:The Titans.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Name two Dang Again you asked me name questions Name a running back.
Speaker 2:They have the guy that used to play for the Cowboys. It is.
Speaker 1:Tony Pollard Pollard, yeah, he was garbage last year.
Speaker 2:No, he actually was good he actually was good, it must have just been fantasy. He was good. Last year he was good.
Speaker 1:Tony Pollard was good Name someone on their defense besides Jeffrey Simons.
Speaker 2:Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 1:Fuck, he's on the Titans.
Speaker 2:You can't.
Speaker 1:They traded their best safety for, I think, a fourth-round pick.
Speaker 2:They did trade for the corner from Kansas City. What that guy's name is, I have no clue, jesus. But no, you're not wrong. Again, it's Houston's. They have no offensive pieces.
Speaker 1:Their defense is shaky at best. I say all this like the Bengals didn't struggle against them Because our defense couldn't stop shit. Houston's the best team.
Speaker 2:Oh, by far no question.
Speaker 1:You should give Houston first, second and third place. None of those teams make the playoffs, the only question about Houston is can they protect CJ Stroud? Are those when six of your games against the Colts, jaguars and Titans you are winning a guaranteed six games.
Speaker 2:The only question is the Jags. Again, I'll never believe in Trevor Lawrence enough to really believe they can really do that, but the Jags are a talented enough team. They do have Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Is it crazy for me to say that the Jags are probably the second best team in this division, and also the Dark Horse, because they're just what At their top end they can be a team that can be pretty good kind of, because they're. I don't still believe in their defense, um, but at the low end.
Speaker 1:they're like Thomas Jr is very good.
Speaker 2:Brian Thomas Jr is awesome. He's very.
Speaker 1:He's a really good receiver all right, let's go to their schedule week Jags yeah, I got it, I got you Week 1 the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2:They unfortunately beat the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1:You were at the Bengals.
Speaker 2:They lose.
Speaker 1:Hopefully.
Speaker 2:The Bengals are known to lose these games though.
Speaker 3:This is week 2. They're known to lose these games Early this season. This is week 2.
Speaker 2:Didn't they start 1-3 last year? I've been watching, I've been watching quarterback. They started 1 in three last year.
Speaker 1:We didn't play really good teams. No, we didn't. The first game was the Patriots and we fucked that up. The second game was KC. The niggas won by a few. So what was the third game? I don't remember.
Speaker 2:The one against TV should have lost two. I don't remember Again. I think you should win, but again it's the Bengals early on in the season, you never know.
Speaker 1:That's a Saturday, I'll take it. They're not beating Houston. They do not beat the Niners.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:They don't beat Kansas City? I wouldn't think so. They don't beat the Seahawks.
Speaker 2:Again, they could beat the Seahawks who knows what the Seahawks will be.
Speaker 1:Cool, they don't beat the Rams. I wouldn't think so. You'll probably dig down the Raiders. Yeah, probably. You don't beat the Houston, I don't know.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Raiders have.
Speaker 2:Ash and Jenty. They just run the football down their throats and Brock Bowers that boy's downfield.
Speaker 1:The Raiders might be a little scary for like seven plays and then they're just gonna triple team those two guys yeah, for sure I don't know, who your quarterback is right now gino it they're fucked. The raiders are not scary. Back bow is gonna have to run the ball too. Um, they'll beat the raiders. They're losing to the texans yeah losing the chargers, you'll beat the cardinals maybe ah, they should to the Texans. You're losing to the Chargers. You'll beat the.
Speaker 2:Cardinals. Maybe they should beat the Titans Week 12 against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1:Do they really beat the Cardinals?
Speaker 2:Again, who knows? The Cardinals can be good, they could be bad.
Speaker 1:You'll beat the Texans. You'll beat the Colts. I don't foresee you beating the Jets. You will not beat Denver. You'll beat the Colts. You split the Titans.
Speaker 2:Jacksonville's over-under is 7.5. That seems about right.
Speaker 1:I'd bet the under. Is that weird?
Speaker 2:to say I would be confident enough to bet the under Confident. That's crazy. I don't think you should be confident to bet that.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can foresee you, then maybe they can probably beat. Tennessee twice. Mm-hmm, I can foresee you. Then maybe they can probably beat Tennessee twice. Mm-hmm. I can foresee they'll probably beat the Colts twice. Mm-hmm. And then the Panthers, that's five. Mm-hmm. Do you see six? I see seven. I see they could do seven. They could Probably beat the Cardinals, depending on how what the Cardinals are doing and the Seahawks. Seven and a half right.
Speaker 2:Seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, seven and a half, so they have one eight. Uh huh, you see eight games.
Speaker 2:It can't Again. They could easily flip Some of those games like that's again, that's on the bangles that's what I'd be worried about.
Speaker 1:If they don't beat the bangles week 2, I got it. I'm winning my bet. I have it. If they beat the bangles week 2, fuck my money's gone.
Speaker 2:If like half way through the year they get me a buyout like I bet $5, I'm winning my bet.
Speaker 1:I have it. If they beat the Bengals week two, fuck my money's gone. Yeah, no question If, like halfway through the year, they get me to buy out like I bet $5, or give me eight to buy out.
Speaker 2:I'm buying the fuck out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm out, yeah, but again. I don't foresee seven and a half.
Speaker 2:It's right there, it is.
Speaker 1:It's pretty right. Yeah, I'd take the under.
Speaker 2:That's why they're good at this. That's why they make so much money. Houston's nine and a half win total.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, their schedule is hard.
Speaker 2:It's tough. Nine and a half is a tough one, but I think they could hit it easily.
Speaker 1:Their schedule is a little harder. They'll definitely get the over, though. They should, they should.
Speaker 2:As long as the Off the line is not ass, I think they'll easily get it Because their defense is really good. They've only added to it. They added a couple wide receivers From Iowa State. I think they're going to be good. Wide receivers don't really take a lot To like learn NFL system. It's very easy and their their offense is so Wide receiver friendly and CJ just knows where to put the ball. That's never going to be fine. Be where you need to be and CJ will put it in your bread basket every time.
Speaker 1:Just run the route and the ball will be there. They're going to be in the playoff team easily.
Speaker 2:I think Houston's probably going to take that next step. I really do. You're right, I think it's one, two, three Colts four. Titans. I think the Colts could be the dark horse man.
Speaker 3:The Colts think about it, if I have to pick a dark horse.
Speaker 2:Daniel Jones, he's ass, but he's not bad enough to where you think. If you, they sent him up, they have weapons. I watched Tommy DeVito start over this nigga.
Speaker 1:Get the fuck out of my face, mr. Starting over him.
Speaker 2:It's because they didn't want to pay him. No more, yeah.
Speaker 1:You are so ass, tommy, motherfucking DeVito. That boy is never playing in the NFL.
Speaker 2:Well, they only did that because they didn't want to pay him his injury guarantee, because if he got injured, his money became fully guaranteed. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. Go to the Colts. Go to the Colts, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, fuck it, I'm not going to the Colts.
Speaker 2:Do it. I'm telling you, we only have one division to do with this. We don't have that much longer. Colts, dolphins.
Speaker 1:Loss.
Speaker 2:Do you think so?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Dolphins don't have a secondary anymore.
Speaker 1:They have nobody.
Speaker 2:They don't have no way they can tackle that man.
Speaker 1:No, no. They're losing to the Dolphins, they're losing to, they're getting absolutely butt-raped by Denver.
Speaker 2:Denver will butt-rape them. No questions asked. They'll beat.
Speaker 1:Tennessee, you're losing the Rams.
Speaker 2:That's one. I say two wins, but you say one win so far. They're beating the Raiders. They should beat the Raiders Cardinals. Who knows? I think they lose to the Cardinals, it's at home, so I will give them the win. I'll give.
Speaker 1:Cardinals the win yeah.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I'm giving the Colts the win because it's at Indianapolis.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, you're losing.
Speaker 2:At charge. You're losing Titans. I think they could 2-0 the Titans.
Speaker 1:They really could. I agree. Yeah, they're losing to the Steelers.
Speaker 2:Losing to the Steelers Falcons. This is one of those games who knows, falcons could be awesome, they could be bad, who knows they lose? We'll just say they win, because that game is in London, that game's in London, I think.
Speaker 1:Falcons play pretty good in London.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chiefs, loss, loss, loss, texans Loss At Jaguars, jags Loss Probably a loss At Seahawks Loss San Francisco. Niners Loss Jaguars, again Loss no you're right that 18.
Speaker 1:You are not a dark horse. You want another over-under for the Colts Six, six and a half. Over-under Seven and a half is the over-under.
Speaker 2:I might need to bet the under. I'm betting the under. I'm going to have to write this down.
Speaker 1:They could be a dark horse, but I'll say under for the Colts and Jaguars, please.
Speaker 2:So we'll say Colts third or Titans third. We'll say Colts three.
Speaker 1:And the Titans are four.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't need to look at each guy. I don't think they could be okay, but it's just not good enough. This is the division I want to do. Afc East this is the division I wanted to do?
Speaker 2:We're moving on to the AFC East. Can we be honest and just say it's the Bills division, it's the Bills division, okay, it's the Bills division, okay. I think we can be honest about that.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on. If that Patriots play is different, it's not no more. I think the Patriots will be a much better team to where. If the Bills don't play them twice in close succession, I think the Bills lose one of those games.
Speaker 2:Even with that, they're guaranteed four wins in that division.
Speaker 1:Five. I don't think they can beat the Jets twice.
Speaker 2:Sorry, that's six Again.
Speaker 1:if they don't play the Patriots and Jets two times in close succession, I think they both can take a win for the Bills.
Speaker 2:The over-under for the Bills is 11.5. And it's going to be right there. They're going to be right. Ravens first game of the season Win or loss At the Ravens. Nope At home. I think they win that game.
Speaker 1:God damn it, lamar, I don't trust you, so win.
Speaker 2:But Derek Henry is most healthy, though that one could go either way. They have no fucking defense. That's a loss. Their defense was okay, that's a loss.
Speaker 1:They can't stop the run. That's a loss.
Speaker 2:That's a loss.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that's a loss.
Speaker 2:At Jets, that's a win. Dolphins win. Saints win Patriots early on in the season, it's a win At Falcons most likely a win, I don't care how good the Falcons are.
Speaker 1:They're 6-1 right now.
Speaker 2:At Panthers. How are all these teams? Getting the Panthers, bro, who the fuck made this schedule.
Speaker 1:They're 7-1 right now. Okay.
Speaker 2:Chiefs At. No Chiefs are coming to Buffalo. It's a loss, is it? They beat the Chiefs? They Buffalo. It's a loss, is it? They beat the Chiefs? They beat the Chiefs in the regular season.
Speaker 1:It's in the playoffs that they get dicked down. That's crazy. I watched 17 calls go for the Chiefs. The Bills scraped up, teeth Skidded.
Speaker 2:I'm just telling you Okay, it's what it is.
Speaker 1:Whatever, that's a loss.
Speaker 2:Okay, they went to the Buccaneers. It'll be tough At no Fuck. Buccaneers will be cold, god damn it. This is in November, mid-november. They're winning. What is it? Nine, yeah, texans At At Houston Lost. That's a loss. That will be a banger of a football game. Yes. It'll be awesome. Yes At Steelers that that's a win.
Speaker 1:Bengals At no, we can play in the cold they can play in the cold.
Speaker 2:That's a win.
Speaker 1:But this is week.
Speaker 2:Oh, this has to be like week 13. This is the middle of December December 7th Hot streak.
Speaker 1:That's a win. That's a loss to the Bills.
Speaker 2:At Patriots, it's probably a win.
Speaker 1:I think the I fuck out of here. I think the Pats take this one. Again, I just I think the Patriots take this one.
Speaker 2:What do they have at wide receiver?
Speaker 1:They don't need those.
Speaker 2:For the Bills to be worried about. They got Travion Henderson and Drake May sitting there. They have a new left tackle? We're not sure, because he has short hands, short arms.
Speaker 1:We're not sure if he can block nobody. That boy is different. That boy is different. Stop playing with him.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say this name You're going to tweak out because it's always the same thing with him, but Joey Bosa is on this Bills team. Shut the fuck up. If Joey Bosa's healthy, that short-armed man can't stop him.
Speaker 1:That boy's not to be fucked with. I watched that boy play at LSU I watched him play.
Speaker 2:I don't care, he didn't have to see Joey Bosa. If Joey Bosa's healthy, if he's healthy. If he's healthy, it's over. What week is that playing? This would be the latest game. That would be December. That would be week 15.
Speaker 1:Joey Bosa's been hurt for four weeks. Stop playing, stop playing.
Speaker 2:At the Browns. That's a win. Eagles, we're sitting at around 11, 12 wins already.
Speaker 1:We still have two games left. They lose to the Bengals Ravens. I think they lose to one of the Patriots. What are the other ones?
Speaker 2:You say Chiefs, I think we both kind of decided Texans is a win, it's at Houston, okay.
Speaker 1:That's six.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's it. The rest were scraping the barrel, bro. We're like oh, maybe this, that, this, that and the other happens because they had the Jets last week of the season. I don't think the Jets are beating them last week of the season. If the Jets are a playoff Again, if the Jets end up being good, if they're a wild card contender.
Speaker 1:The Jets are starting everybody.
Speaker 2:If everything works out for the Jets.
Speaker 1:Two of the teams in the division. I'm like I don't know how good you guys are going to be. Right, you guys could all be pretty good, Because I don't exactly have a dark horse. I think it could be the Jets or the Patriots.
Speaker 2:I don't think the Patriots are dark horses, because I think they're probably just the second-best team in the division. I agree, I don't think talent-wise they are.
Speaker 1:I think with the new head coach they have Head coaching-wise and what they have currently, they are the second-best team. I think yes.
Speaker 2:I think they're two, and then Jets are three, jets are three, dolphins are four Dolphins are going to get dicked down by everybody.
Speaker 1:It's just going bad, they don't. And who like can to play a lot of cold weather games late in the season. Who?
Speaker 2:hasn't played a full season so long in his career and, honestly, the next head injury gets maybe his last, because he might be dead or does not be able to play football anymore.
Speaker 1:Probably the second, the latter not dead, but I'm gonna have to sit back.
Speaker 2:They're gonna have to like redo their helmets again please, they can only put so much padding in him. Keep his head up.
Speaker 1:Redo his contract and make it to where he has to wear A guardian cap.
Speaker 2:I just he can't be trusted. That's just for fucking looks, dude he's not Real quick.
Speaker 1:Somebody needs to medically Fucking induce him. He's not making sound decisions. He's not Real quick. Somebody needs to medically fucking induce him. He's not making sound decisions. He's not sound of mind.
Speaker 2:I just think, when you've had as many head injuries as he's had, it should not be a choice no more.
Speaker 1:Chris Olave is no better. He won't go out there with one either.
Speaker 2:True, but I also think he plays a position where he can avoid it more.
Speaker 1:He's had five concussions. No, you know why.
Speaker 2:And this is one thing I will say. At least he can run away from people. Tua's not running away from nobody. Whether he's fat, whether he's skinny, tua's had his big boy era. He's had his skinny boy era. He's not getting away from nobody, no matter what happens. So I'm just sitting there like you just can't trust. Tua should not be able to have an option and say hey, if you want to play for our football team, you're wearing a guardian cap because we just don't want to get sued on the back end because your family's, like you guys, forced to play. No, we wanted them to leave. We don't want to have to pay this guy. We can't play in the freaking in the cold. We tank for the wrong quarterback. No, they tanked for the right quarterback. It just didn't work. What class was? The same one as joerow the Dolphins?
Speaker 1:were Before Herbo.
Speaker 2:Yes, they picked the wrong quarterback. They could have had Herbo, that could have been awesome. Yeah. But they were trying like hell to trade up for Joe Burrow and the Bengals were like, nah, we're going to take this guy Again. Joe Burrow made it easy, but the Bengals have made stupider decisions. So it all worked out for the best.
Speaker 1:I guess I'm not going to lie to you. If, right then and there they had traded that pick away, I would have been a Steelers fan, swear to God to you Would have committed to being a Steelers fan.
Speaker 2:Well, joe Burrow just had that season. It was magical. He won the Heisman, it was perfect. He had the perfect NFL. I I mean perfect college football season. It was too easy of a pick. If they didn't, then it was like oh, what are you doing here? But again, they took Jamar Chase over. Why am I forgetting? Oh no, I'm forgetting the offensive line Panay Sewell. And I keep watching Panay Sewell on the show because they're both on there, because Panay Sewell is with Jared Goff, I keep seeing Panay Sewell.
Speaker 1:I'm like our O-line's gotten better.
Speaker 2:It has In the long run. And Jamar Chase is awesome. Jamar Chase is going to be a pro.
Speaker 1:He's going to yes, we did make the Super Bowl the year after we drafted him, for sure it's hard to complain.
Speaker 2:It's hard to complain, we didn't draft Kyle Pitts. But I'm just saying if you flip Burrow and what I forgot, not Jamar Chase Pinesul, if you're making that choice, it would be a lot easier to make the choice to pay Pinesul like an all world left tackle, instead of trying to say, hey, should we pay two top wide receivers. So I think it would be a little bit easier if they decided to make a different decision. But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Damn Patrick. Sertain was also in that class, I think we fucked up. Yeah, he's also. I'm not going to cap with you.
Speaker 2:Being great.
Speaker 1:Patrick Sertain was in that class. Micah Parsons would have been cool.
Speaker 2:So over-under. If you had to bet what the over-under was for the Jets, what do you think it is?
Speaker 1:Greg Newsom was in that class too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, greg Newsom hasn't done a lot with the Browns, though I think they've been trying to pawn him off for a while because they're not going to pay him. So they're like hey, if somebody wants him.
Speaker 1:This was a really bad wide receiver. This was a bad everything draft besides DB. Yeah, jc Horn, patrick Sertain they're pretty good, but besides Jamar Chase and Devonta Smith, it is downhill from here. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Your first three picks were Trevor. Lawrence, zach, wilson, trey, lance.
Speaker 1:That was this class.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of great players in here Over-under for the Jets If you had to say what their over-under is.
Speaker 3:Seven and a half, five and a half Ooh, it's not we should just give it a little gander right, Just for shits and giggles.
Speaker 2:It's not unlikely Jets, Because again, we've talked about them a lot Steelers' first game of the season. Steelers beat them Bills. That's another L At Buccaneers. Fuck. Three At Dolphins Early on in the season, dolphins, it's very hard to play the Dolphins early on in the year.
Speaker 1:Cowboys, cowboys win that game. What game Monday night? No, it's going to be a one o'clock game.
Speaker 2:Lucky motherfuckers, broncos, six Panthers. That's a win Good for them. One and six At Bengals.
Speaker 1:Five, we're off. One and seven. Browns. Two and seven.
Speaker 2:Yeah At Patriots. That's an L, two and eight. I think they split with the Patriots. If I had to guess, okay, I don't think so. The Patriots are better coached. No questions asked. Exactly, I'm saying they split. Oh, you think the Patriots win both. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. For sure, I was trying to give the Jets a little bit of credit. What is it? 2-8?. Yeah, At Ravens another.
Speaker 1:L 2-9. Falcons they're losing to the Jets.
Speaker 2:No, this is the.
Speaker 1:Dolphins are going to the Jets.
Speaker 2:That's me in December. That's a win, that's 3-10. Good for them, that's 3-10. Good for them At Jags. They lose to the Jags At Saints 4-10. I don't know, I'll give it that's 4-10. Maybe Patriots 4-10. Maybe Patriots 4-11. And then at-bills 4-12. So probably under. If we were going to bet, that would probably be the under. Yeah, I'd bet the under, no.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:If that's the case, then the Dolphins over-under if you had to guess 8-1⁄. The Dolphins over under if you had to guess Eight and a half, that's ambitious.
Speaker 1:Eight and a half, that's ambitious.
Speaker 2:I got to see it. Now. How is it all sack up if that's the case? Because there's no way. Eight and a half.
Speaker 1:That's ambitious dude.
Speaker 2:I'm going to bet the under.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make a parlay of all these unders we're catching so far and see how it goes. I'm coming to get a ton of money.
Speaker 2:We got Colts Jets, colts Jets, freaking, two teams in the same division, like Titans, most likely because we think Titans are going to suck too. Yeah, colts Jets, titans, man Dolphins. Add that too. So at Colts L Patriots L At Bills L Jets, we said it was a win.
Speaker 1:At Panthers. That's a win. It's 2-3.
Speaker 2:Chargers. That's an L 3-4.
Speaker 1:At Browns.
Speaker 2:At Browns. That's probably an L.
Speaker 1:At Browns Is it cold. No.
Speaker 2:It's October.
Speaker 1:That's 3-4. They'll win that game At Falcons.
Speaker 2:It. It's October, that's three and four. They'll win that game At Falcons. It's an L.
Speaker 1:That's four and five. No, it's three and five.
Speaker 2:Ravens.
Speaker 1:L Three and six.
Speaker 2:Bills Three and seven, commanders Three and eight. Saints.
Speaker 1:Three and nine At Saints. Saints, come to them Okay.
Speaker 2:Again, the Saints are indoors. It doesn't really matter. Four and eight Jets, that's an L. Three and four and nine, especially this is December at the Jets, four and nine At the Steelers.
Speaker 1:Four and five, four and ten Bengals, four and eleven.
Speaker 2:Buccaneers Four and twelve At Patriots.
Speaker 1:Four and At Patriots 4-13.
Speaker 2:Insane.
Speaker 1:Insane, I'm sorry, insane Is that two teams in this division that may not win five games.
Speaker 2:That may be 8-1.
Speaker 1:They're tweaking. There's too many teams they have to go to with cold weather.
Speaker 2:There's no way, 8-1. It must have changed it. Bet the under If I see that I'm betting the under no questions asked, Way under Dolphins under Jets, under Titans, under Colts, under Easy. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No question.
Speaker 2:Insane.
Speaker 1:Bet a hundred dollars. You're going to. You're going to.
Speaker 2:I'm winning Buku. Bucks, I'm winning Buku.
Speaker 1:And it's going to be from the Dolphins Everybody's going to believe they can.
Speaker 2:the East, probably the Patriots, because there's really nothing else.
Speaker 1:After looking at the Jets schedule.
Speaker 2:yeah, man, that's insane. That's insane. Yeah, the Bills have this one locked. I think both two of the divisions are like hey, there's this one great team and they're just going to be feasting off the others with one team that, oh, they could be something.
Speaker 1:Again, at least with the Ac south. I look at two of those teams. I'm like the titans. You are you have hope right and the jags. I'm like I.
Speaker 2:It's mostly trevor lawrence and your shitty defense and you're adding trevor, you're adding travis on her, I guess so that's cool whether he's a db or wide receiver yes, for sure you're gonna be hope they had talent on their team.
Speaker 1:In a way, yes, again on your offensive side. Your offensive side is very talented. You have a decent running back. You have a good receiver, a guy who can kind of play both sides of the ball. You will sell tickets.
Speaker 2:You will not win games, yeah especially when people are like hey, trevor lawrence getting paid two over 200 million, so where's the wins?
Speaker 2:at trevor lawrence getting paid too much and he's yeah, he's not gonna give it to you. So, yeah, it's a, it's a tough one. It's tough. Well, that's that's three of them. Done, three divisions. Next we will come back and just do one again. We're just trying to get back into it, um, and then what do you think? What position should we do? Position, right, guy? I think it's time. Just do one a week, though. So we'll do one division and then one position rankings. So, if you, what position, though? So we'll do one division and then one position rankings. So what position do you think we?
Speaker 1:should do no, we should do two.
Speaker 2:Because it's not enough juice, interesting enough All right, we should kind of start with a little bit of a bang, then Probably, and then save some of the better ones.
Speaker 1:Quarterbacks always last Save quarterback for last, that fucking quarterback show coach came up to him. Despite that guy, you're the second best in the business, you goddamn right. Why does no one else believe this?
Speaker 2:Again, he had to say that because the quarterback's for his team.
Speaker 1:Again, but again no at the time.
Speaker 2:there's no question, you're not wrong. Yeah, joe.
Speaker 1:Burrow's the second best quarterback in the NFL. You're high if you don't believe that.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1:I've met actual Chiefs fans. They believe it. They think Josh Allen's ass, just like I do.
Speaker 2:You want to start with running backs or receivers first, then Running backs are boring. Receivers, then Do receivers first.
Speaker 1:Dude, if you look at the top ten running backs from last year, I look at these guys like none of you are that fucking good.
Speaker 2:Right, that's where I think some of the young guys can make a jump, and it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I can't rank you.
Speaker 3:I have nothing on you in the NFL, you could be ass Running backs is the worst one.
Speaker 2:Receivers. I'm going to start with that.
Speaker 1:Because I think our running back rankings always ends up very similar. Yeah, because usually Because let's be honest, the only one that's guaranteed we know where he's going to be is number one.
Speaker 2:I don't think Saquon wasn't. Saquon wasn't one for us last year, but he will be one coming into this year.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but other than that, like who's two?
Speaker 2:Christian McCaffrey was one last year and he's taking a drop Exactly.
Speaker 1:Because we're all. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, it'd probably have to be Derek Henry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and they don't even use him like that all the time.
Speaker 1:And after that it's murky yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:Well, so is Sarge. Wide receivers no, no, no, you want to save it? Well, position, we'll say it, we have it figured out right now, and then we'll just know you want to go defense.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's cut and dry who's number one At every defensive position.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to do the rest of the 10.
Speaker 1:Top 10 Okay.
Speaker 2:All of them are top 10, except for the quarterback when we do all 32. I hate quarterback, I know, because you end up. You end up pissed off Every time. Is it my fault? Not always, it's always your fault, Josh.
Speaker 1:I'm to talk about the third best quarterback in the NFL. He's not top five All right.
Speaker 2:What are we doing?
Speaker 1:I don't know, do the?
Speaker 2:What is the receivers? It's enough juice there where we can.
Speaker 1:There's some movement.
Speaker 2:Tight ends Okay, fine, I like tight ends. Okay, tight ends.
Speaker 1:We'll do tight ends, dns. Okay, fine, tight ends is very boring. Okay, because dns is a statistical stat somebody pissed me off monty jones.
Speaker 2:I watch his podcast and he was talking about how tj watt is looking for a miles garrett like contract and he said miles garrett is better in every sense. And I'm like, no, if you want to make the case of miles garrett is younger, fine, because if you're going to pay miles garrett, you're going to pay. If you're going to have a long-term contract, miles garrett being he's like 28, tj watts like 30, 31. So if you're going to make the case that, hey, he's younger, he has a little more tread left on the tires. That makes sense. But you're not going gonna fucking tell me that miles garrett is better than tj what? Across the board he is fucking not. He feasts on bad defenses and when he actually plays an offensive line that has some pop wants to talk about he does, he doesn't do shit.
Speaker 2:He gets like four or five sacks against bad fucking teams and he doesn't do shit for four weeks.
Speaker 1:I know he does because last year he had seven total sacks against the Bengals Right. That's a bad, that's not a great O-line Right, and this motherfucker was abusing.
Speaker 2:And he does the freaking. He does a little in-between dribble move One time when he's against a fucking center. Oh, I'm not surprised he feels confident he's against a fucking center. You're four inches bigger than that, dude. Oh, it's so cool. He did that.
Speaker 1:You're four inches bigger and about 40 pounds heavier. Get the fuck out of here. That's such aura.
Speaker 2:Get the fuck out of here with that shit Again. When you want to say he's younger, for sure, fine, but nobody can tell me he is flat out better than every defensive end in the NFL, because he's not.
Speaker 1:He's not consistent enough. Miles Garrett ain't been as good as fucking Trey Hendrickson last week, when you look at him on a piece of paper.
Speaker 2:if you want to build yourself a defensive end, he's perfect. He's a freaking Greek god, but when you actually see what they do on the goddamn football field, he is not far and away the best defensive end in the NFL.
Speaker 1:He's just not. He's nowhere to be found against certain teams.
Speaker 2:He's not. Again. I'm not saying he's not a good player, I'm just saying he is not just flat out better than everybody. He's not. He's just not.
Speaker 1:We all had to play the Chargers last year. That was last year's Chargers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I watched Rashawn Slater put him in the fucking mud Right, and then what's the guy's name? They have a right guard who's just as good Right tackle.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was the guy from freaking.
Speaker 1:He's a rookie, yeah. I'm forgetting the name. He's so good.
Speaker 2:You said Rashawn Slater right.
Speaker 1:No, it's the left tackle.
Speaker 2:No, he's the right tackle.
Speaker 1:No, it's the left tackle. Slater was drafted the same year as Chase.
Speaker 2:Yes, slater, but they drafted a new left tackle. Who was the guy from freaking who played at fucking right tackle? I thought he played left. No, slater's better. Oh, okay, I thought. Oh, it's the guy from freaking Notre Dame.
Speaker 1:Yeah really fucking good.
Speaker 2:But big, big boy Can't get around him.
Speaker 1:Well, you can, it's just you have to wait until the second quarter.
Speaker 2:You have to be fast when?
Speaker 1:TJ Watt, Trey Hendrickson, actually Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you can't get through him. No, you can get around him.
Speaker 1:Miles Garrett couldn't do either.
Speaker 2:Right for sure. Why am I forgetting his name? He's so good. Oh man, you can figure out the name. Did you have any? How many episodes of the quarterback show have you watched, or did you watch all of it already?
Speaker 1:No, I'm busy.
Speaker 2:Okay, just my one thought is Joe Alt, joe Alt, yes, very good, very white guy name Very simple, I know Perfect.
Speaker 1:He's going to be a 15-year veteran. It's kind of a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2:But again In a way it's a perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know he got drafted. Motherfucker stood up. Dude took a picture. He was like a 15-year veteran, five-time Pro.
Speaker 2:Bowler, no question.
Speaker 1:Four-time All-Pro yeah, hall of Famer Joe Alt. Yes. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I know, but again TJ Watt got around him. Trey Hannickson was able to get God damn Ravens won. I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Miles Garrett couldn't get around it Right.
Speaker 1:You know why Miles Garrett is large. Big boy and you can't move around the line.
Speaker 2:There's nowhere to go, right.
Speaker 1:You got to face either Slater or oh, you're not fast enough.
Speaker 2:No question. Again, he's great, but he's just Don't tell me he's flat out better than any other defensive end. That's of that tier. He's just not. He's not flat out better.
Speaker 1:Again, his stats show that he was worse than Trey Hendrickson the last three years.
Speaker 2:Right, for sure, and TJ Watt.
Speaker 1:Statistically there is a gap between Hendrickson.
Speaker 2:He's up there, he's there, he's in the conversation, but he's just not but over the last couple years.
Speaker 1:Statistically, trey Hendrickson and TJ Watt are far fucking better than him in every category. Including. They both have interceptions.
Speaker 2:They both have higher impacts on what they do around the whole defense, not just getting after the quarterback. Which you don't do, that Including causing fumbles, including getting fumble recoveries, including picks, including all of it Now.
Speaker 1:you're better than Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2:That's not a fucking high bar. I hate the people that want to say Micah Parsons is a generational talent. No, he's fucking not. He's a tight end playing that position and he can't get past nobody big.
Speaker 1:He is an above average defensive end.
Speaker 2:He's very fast, very fast guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's not as good as Montez Sweat.
Speaker 2:I feel like he'd be so great as a linebacker, but he's undersized. That's the problem he's undersized, so he can't do that either. So what do?
Speaker 1:you want to. Okay, you're a D-end playing, you're a middle linebacker playing. D-end Right Is what you want.
Speaker 2:Exactly so my question to you is oh so, my one. I have a couple statements about the. Joe Burrow is comes off. He's very dry. He has personality, it's there, but it's more on the football field.
Speaker 1:He is way more personable on the football field than he ever is in a practice where he's talking to three trainers about dinosaurs yeah and fossils he's a nerd he is a I know and I'm looking at this like not in a nerd like Kirk Cousins no.
Speaker 2:Kirk Cousins went on this five minute rant about fucking great clips. Kirk Cousins, no, kirk Cousins went on this five-minute rant about fucking great clips.
Speaker 1:Kirk Cousins is a fucking. I wanted to fucking kill myself. Kirk Cousins is a fucking cornball.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. He's like nothing more exhilarating than going to a great clips and getting my hair cut Like what are you fucking? Talking about.
Speaker 1:This is an ad that's exactly what he said I saw this like.
Speaker 2:This has to be an ad, right? Is this an ad in the middle of a god damn TV show? What are we talking about here? He's about to go to an Atlanta fucking great place.
Speaker 1:Is this a personal ad? Get the fuck away from me, dude. Like what are we fucking talking?
Speaker 2:about how does he get on the show for a second time. Again, it makes it worse because I know how it ends.
Speaker 1:But like I'm like come on, kirk, he was talking about fossils and shit, and then he's in the interview still talking about fossils. Right dude, we're not. We're like seven and four. Please. The fact that I know the in my brain, I think about last year. I'm like he's talking about fossils and we are six and six yeah my nigga lock. The fuck in lock in.
Speaker 2:What do we do? Here's my thing. I believe he like football. He's all locked in on.
Speaker 1:I know he was pissed after the Titans game. Right they went to Zach Taylor and was like oh it's just a lot of emotion. I'm like no, that was a bad fucking game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is bitching about our. He is complaining about our defense. How bad our defense is, yep and verbatim. This is why I know he'll be successful If he comes to Super Bowl. I'm not sure but like, this is how I know he is, who he is and why it's proven. He said because they asked him like hey, why aren't you more vocal about your issues, what they're doing wrong? He's like what happens when I have a bad day? Who's gonna yell at me? I can't yell at myself and I'm like that might be one of the first times I've seen a quieter quarterback have that like. That's first good reasoning I can see for a quarterback not having that type of mentality like Tom Brady. Like, when you're Tom Brady, you can yell at everybody because, like, you hold yourself to that standard and I think Joe Burrow, if you decided to be that way, nobody would blame him, because Joe Burrow holds himself to a high standard and he meets that. He's been that guy. But I totally respect it when he said that.
Speaker 2:Not to mention Jared Goff very personable. They, not to mention Jared Goff Very personable. They show his hot wife around a lot, but again, I understand why. She's a fucking smoke show, but she is dumb as rocks. She asked. They said there's a hook and ladder show. He's like what is a hook and ladder and what's a flea clicker? What's the difference? And I'm like y'all been watching this man play football for five years.
Speaker 1:What are we doing? For a long time and again in his brain he's like it's great.
Speaker 2:But they show her a lot and I'm like it comes off how dumb she is, but she's, she's great, she's hot. They keep showing her picture every time. They show her freaking swimsuit model photo and, like it's in the background, they focus on her while he's sitting there talking. He's talking about football, he's like having a great convo about what he's doing and they're showing her first and then fading into him and I'm like, oh, this is what they're doing, they know they know, I have seen him talk, I do he's personal man as a.
Speaker 1:I think he is the perfect quarterback for a city like detroit yeah where they want personal people as as their players it started like the first episode.
Speaker 2:He was talking about how hurt I was by the Rams I wish they would have been adults about giving me, having having the conversation with me before trading me for Matthew Stafford. He's like I wish they would have just been more adults about it. And I'm like, and he's, and he sat there was talking about how Detroit they were like all excited to talk to me and he's like it was the first time in a while that I truly felt wanted. And he's like I'm about to cry like he was really emotional. He's like it was really great to see have my coach and the gm sit there and really want me and they embrace me. And I'm like, oh, this guy comes off as so much more personable than anybody else in this show. But again it's for totally different reasons. Because you thank jared goff for being an asshole, him going to the rams being the pretty boy having the super hot wife, but he got thrown in the dumps real quick in his life. So I think it made him pretty fucking personal if that was my wife too again.
Speaker 1:If he stayed with, I'm happy. I I fuck football again.
Speaker 2:He's not the prettiest boy of all time, especially now. He's not really the pretty like the prettiest looking guy he was a pretty. He was a pretty boy coming out of college, for sure it was and's when he met her in LA Makes total sense, but like man they show her a lot. She's like the second. Other than the quarterbacks, she's the most used character in the show.
Speaker 1:I want to see her more than Kirk Cousins, please.
Speaker 2:Kirk Cousins, bro, I hate him, bro.
Speaker 1:If they would have cut every segment of Kirk Cousins out and put her there. I'd be okay with that. I hate him and then they sit there.
Speaker 2:Sit there and said they were talking about how he was in break. They had a like a little clip of like snoop dog talking about how he's embracing atlanta and I'm like, isn't this appropriation? Didn't y'all just yell at drake for doing this? Or let this white man do it and it's fine. I don't understand. But he's talking from atlanta yeah, but he, but he's all everything black. Snoop Dogg is one of the guys, so he's embracing Atlanta. I'm like isn't this appropriation? Isn't this the same thing Drake did? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But I'm just sitting here like he's so corny, he's a funny white guy.
Speaker 2:He's so corny bro, I don't understand. He's number one when it comes to going to the bank Because no matter how bad he's been for his whole career, he's just good enough to get paid and he makes sure that happens. And then he comes off saying, oh, I felt betrayed. I'm like it was stupid, but like you're not good enough to feel betrayed by them drafting a quarterback, you were okay with playing on the franchise tag when you were at Washington.
Speaker 1:Right, you were cool with that. Right, the price kept going up.
Speaker 2:Right, it's all guaranteed you can be a starter in the NFL, but you're 35, 36 years old. You know what you are. You're not that good. You're not Aaron Rodgers at that age, because Aaron Rodgers still won in the MVPs. You're not that. So I'm like how are you like? How would you feel hurt? I don't know. I again at Kirk Cousins. Now I'm never gonna like sit here and love Kirk Cousins. It's never gonna happen. He's too much of a cornball and it doesn't. None of it seems, uh, personable or legitimate to me. It's all an act.
Speaker 1:I feel like.
Speaker 2:Not as bad as Russell Wilson because he should be all of those things because he should be, but it's not. But yeah, that's my whole thing on the show. So far it's very fun. Joe Burrow is great, but yeah, the hot wife for Jared Goff is like the star of the show. That's all I got All right.
Speaker 2:So we've known this long enough. Two and a half hour show. Hopefully we'll come back next week not have two and a half hour, maybe in like an hour. Keep it a little shorter because we won't have so many things to talk about. So we haven't podcast in a while. It's been a fun one, had a fun time, great combos and that's about it. So I will end the podcast here.
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