JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Football's Comeback Season: NFL Contract Drama and Quarterback Rankings
With football's return just around the corner, we're diving deep into the stories dominating the NFL landscape as teams prepare for kickoff. The countdown stands at 32 days until regular season action begins, and preseason football offers the perfect appetizer for football-starved fans looking to evaluate talent on the bubble and rookies getting their first taste of professional action.
Contract drama takes center stage as we examine several high-profile standoffs. Trey Hendrickson's return to Bengals practice doesn't resolve his desire for a contract more in line with elite pass rushers like T.J. Watt and Myles Garrett. Meanwhile, Micah Parsons' trade request after Jerry Jones attempted to cut his agent out of negotiations shows the complex dynamics of NFL business relationships. Perhaps most frustrating is Terry McLaurin's situation, where Washington refuses to either pay their star receiver or trade him to one of the reported teams calling about his availability.
The heart of our conversation centers around our comprehensive quarterback rankings, sparking passionate debate about who truly belongs in the elite tier. Our "Core Four" features Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson, though their exact ordering proved contentious. We categorize all 32 NFL quarterbacks into distinctive tiers including "Prove It," "Questions," "They're The Guy," and more, offering detailed analysis of why certain signal-callers may be products of their systems while others elevate everyone around them.
We also present a fascinating thought experiment: identifying the one non-quarterback player for each NFL team whose loss would completely derail their season. From Chris Jones in Kansas City to Trey Henderson in Cincinnati, these irreplaceable players form the backbone of their respective teams beyond the quarterback position.
The episode concludes with a reflection on how NFL defense has evolved from the headhunting era of the early 2010s to today's more safety-conscious approach, acknowledging that while the game may be "softer," it's ultimately better for player longevity and health.
welcome back to this podcast.
Speaker 2:Today is saturday, august the 2nd uh, we back, uh this playing sports to talk about. Did you know jay said this is the last weekend without any football until February 32 days.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but we still have preseason football, still got 30 days to act with the football? Well, yes, but I think, do you enjoy preseason football at all? I okay. Here's my thing. I don't watch it intently. I watched the Steelers for a little bit, not so much. I have Will Howard playing now, so I'm like I'd like to see him do have some I'm here for joe burrow and joe, yeah, I know why the fuck I don't want to watch all the backups end up playing at some point anyway.
Speaker 2:So like it gives, it would help to get not all of them, but some of them do get chances to play. So the idea of being able to watch a backup that may not ever see the field get a little bit of time in early on Okay.
Speaker 1:I like preseason because it shows me some of the guys that are almost there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If I can just see you are right fucking there to being a starter, and it does show me guys that I believe are more talented than the starters just aren't fully put together. I like watching it for DBs and linebackers and I'm going to watch it because Samar Stewart is playing a lot of preseason, because I've been watching Mims stuff the fuck out of him I watched Mims in a practice put that nigga in the dirt and because Mims has two inches on him. Samara Stewart is 6'4". Mims is like 6'6", 6'7".
Speaker 2:And he probably has a good 50, 60 pounds on him too.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, why would I watched it? Mims was able to corral him. You're supposed to be faster than him. Mims got stoned for feet.
Speaker 2:Shamar Stewart does not look very explosive, like truly.
Speaker 1:Marius, Marius, I think it's.
Speaker 2:Marius.
Speaker 1:Marius, marius, mims does not move fast. So the fact he was able, you pushed him and he was able to set his feet back and get you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He had you, you could not get around him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not a good look, it's a bad.
Speaker 1:Look, dude, if I can find the clip. I follow Bengals basically everywhere, but the Bengals don't always post all that.
Speaker 2:They don't, of course not.
Speaker 1:They don't like always showing hey, our first round pitch getting stuffed by.
Speaker 2:A first round tackle. Let's put it in context here yes, is it a bad look? Because Shamar Stewart's supposed to be a more athletically talented defensive end.
Speaker 1:He's supposed to be quick.
Speaker 2:off the edge, man you would think quickness would be one of his attributes if he was such a combine darling. But it doesn't look that way. Every time I see a clip of him it's like, oh, he just doesn't look necessarily explosive. But again, maybe it's. It's coming back little by little, or maybe he's just supposed to be more of a strong type of defensive end. That is gonna have to figure it out. But again, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Back to back to the preseason. I just want to see, and even if I'm not watching the Steelers play, I can put that football on because obviously I'm doing other things, I'm playing Xbox or I'm like doing something else. I can play it casually and not necessarily like intently listen or watch what's happening. Just the feeling. It just gives me enough, just a little, just enough to give you the feeling that football is back. And just having that preseason game on in the background is definitely a help. And again, it's just giving me a little bit of a boost up until we get actual football, not only NFL but college football, because college football will be back sooner.
Speaker 2:A month from now, like less than 30, it's like 28 days, is when Ohio State plays. Again, this all comes back to Ohio State. Let's be honest here ohio state plays texas on august 30th. So like up to up until that point, everything else is just kind of like getting me, helping me get to that, that point where football really does matter again, both, not only for the nfl but for college. But yeah, this and again everybody's like it's trash. But here's my thing I would watch, watch preseason NFL football over the spring freaking United Football League any day. At least the dudes that are backups and stuff they deserve to be in the NFL. They have the skills. It's just they're not necessarily the top flight dudes that can go play and be starters. But those guys are a ton better than some of the guys in the UFL.
Speaker 1:Amar Cooper's still a free agent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody was trying to get the Steelers to want to go get him. I'm like nope, I'm good.
Speaker 1:I guess Simmons is still a free agent.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That one is more crazy.
Speaker 2:How is he not signed by somebody? He's still more like the, maybe one of the better safeties in the NFL, but like when he left, he for sure was. And who do you play for last year?
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Falcons yeah, and you play good football.
Speaker 1:Dude, I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I think it's also can be just as much about what the guy wants to get paid. So I'm like having a guy that thinks he's worth one number and then all the teams are like, hey, we'll just wait you out and at some point you'll get desperate enough to just want to play for the number we like for you to play at. So that, like I can understand that can be like a two-way street type of thing. Nfl teams try to get you as cheap as possible and try to get the most productivity for a lower number. And sometimes the players need to realize like, hey, I don't have the leverage I used to have. But again, simmons, being one of those guys that's going through this right now is kind of a crazy thing because of how really good he has been throughout his NFL career.
Speaker 1:The Bengals should be dying to get him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the Bengals are just. They're on a thing where they're trying to not spend any money as of recently.
Speaker 2:Uh obviously, but okay, real quick, before we get, keep going on the football. Luca, you saw that he's now skinny luca. Now he got worked out. He now has a three-year deal worth 165. Three-year, 165 million dollar deal.
Speaker 2:My only question is does do you think because if he was going to be this guy like, why wouldn't he have done this sooner? Yes, he's 26 years old. Maybe it's one of those things he has to grow up and just kind of realize what things matter. But I don't know if one guy like, maybe this, that one moment where he got traded from the, from Dallas, and they told everybody he's super lazy and he's never going to be the player we want him to be, maybe that was the moment, that was going to be the thing that changes Luka forever. Am I crazy for thinking what if this is a one-year thing, being skinny Luka, putting in all this extra work in the offseason that he's never done before, luca giving like all, putting in all this extra work in the offseason that he's never done before? What if this is just a one singular year to get back at Dallas and show the heck, hey, I can be that player. But then, once he gets comfortable again in an LA Laker uniform and kind of feels like he's gotten back after got gotten his uh, his get back from Dallas, like what if he just goes back to being the player he was, where he's not giving a lot on defense again?
Speaker 2:The player he was was still a six-time all-nba player within in his first six years as a pro. So like what he was before was still an awesome player, but maybe not necessarily like a guy that we could see long term having a prolonged great nfl career, like at going at the pace he's going at. But I just we see this all the time in sports where you get a player that, um, why am I forgetting the guy's name? I remember the defensive tackle that played with the Patriots. That was like a super big dude. Um, he's like Alfred I forget what the guy's name, but he was like very known for like he got in shape for one big season, had his contract year and then once he got paid he's went back to doing what he was doing before, like this happens all the time in sports. So if Luca wasn't necessarily taking care of himself like he needed to before this cop before he got embarrassed by the doubt by Dallas for all the world to see, and then now he's kind of like having this resurgence now.
Speaker 2:Is this going to be a long-term change or just as a short-term change? Because that's a big question. If he's going to like have this season where he's going to be a little more trimmed down, he's gonna be able to put more effort on defense on top of what he already does on offense and he's going to be a little bit more healthy, because obviously that kind of works out is, as you go, you get more athletic and when you kind of trim, trim down, but you also stay healthier because it's less gravity that you have to deal with with your joints and stuff like that. When lucas had plenty of injuries throughout his career, so I don't know. It was a decent question where I was like man, like if he this happens too many times in sports, so it's. This wouldn't necessarily be new if it happens with luca, but it was something where I'm like man, it's just like buyer beware I'm very upset.
Speaker 1:I can't find this fucking post and I've now started realizing I think I deleted it oof all right off of luca because the bangles posted it and I'm now trannerton, real quick has been coaching shamar suit a lot, just so anybody cares. I care.
Speaker 2:Well, I care. No, he's back, which I'm not sure we haven't talked about, obviously, because that happened in the middle of this last week. Tran is back. He is back at camp. He doesn't want to get fined anymore. Obviously, we've been talking about that for a minute. 50k a day is nothing to scoff at. This We've been talking about that for a minute, 50k a day is nothing to scoff at. This is our second round guy. Yeah, hey, he has the quickness.
Speaker 1:That was a good catch by Chase Brown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he made him earn it, he did.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying if he's able to do that on tight ends and shit that's.
Speaker 2:A nice piece to have, versatile piece to have On tight ends, on running back that shit, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of pissed right now because they were fucking roasting shamar stewart in the comments. Um, the biggest thing was men's is big and slow. He's not fast. Why is it right? That's why is it right tackle? Um, the bangles were like hey, we're gonna leave ass to right tackle because he's not fast and I think it's going to benefit him. But Mims stood his ass up Like he got vertical when he was facing Mims and I'm very worried. Eric Hall has an ACL injury, did you see?
Speaker 2:that that's probably why they signed the fan Eric.
Speaker 1:Hall Jr at the Bengals practice is going to miss the entire season after undergoing a second ACL. This dude's done with football. A second?
Speaker 2:ACL Second.
Speaker 1:ACL reconstruction. They had to reconstruct it. He's done. That's tough.
Speaker 2:And again that gives credence as to why they signed Noah Fant. Noah Fant's a pretty similar player. He's more of a blocker but can get the ball on the outside, makes a few big plays if you give him an opportunity to, so it makes sense altogether. When that injury happened last week, I'm guessing and he just recently had surgery that sucks, he's standing dude. Eric Gull was awesome.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, he was awesome at Iowa.
Speaker 1:He was injured his first year. Yeah, he got drafted.
Speaker 2:That sucks. It does, Hendrickson? How do you feel about it? I don't know. I feel, bad, you feel?
Speaker 1:bad. That guy doesn't deserve a contract man. He's played his heart out for the Bengals and, in all honesty, he wasn't on that Bengals team that went to the Super Bowl. He was the year after that. He wasn't on that Bengals team that went to the Super Bowl. He was the year after that. He wasn't on that team.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:I think back and I'm like if he was on that team, that would have been a help Dude that team's a whole lot fucking different. Yeah, Our biggest problem we couldn't watch the pass, by the way.
Speaker 2:That was a whole BS. We couldn't get to the quarterback. That whole defense was different, though.
Speaker 1:It was, but that's the thing. The secondary was better, the front seven was worse.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And the year after the front seven was really good and we were getting after the quarterback. It's just our secondary just went.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Straight to the dirt, straight to the dirt to the dirt, not even close You're talking if he's on that team.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you that Super Bowl looks a lot fucking different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:It's nowhere near as hard. Again it's more of a shootout, but again Odell still gets hurt. Our biggest problem was Matthew. Stafford was in the backfield just chilling.
Speaker 2:Hey, where's Cooper Cup at Give? Hey, where's Cooper Cup at Give the ball?
Speaker 1:to him. He was vibing back there. He had time.
Speaker 2:He even had a point where he had enough time to throw a no-look pass to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1:And that's the type of shit we were having a problem with.
Speaker 2:One of the coldest moments I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:He had so much time in the backfield because no one could get after him. Sam Hubbard was our best rusher at that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he great next to a really good guy. He's giving you 9 to 10 sacks a year. His best year on sacks was 13, and that's pretty good for a guy like him. Yeah, for sure it was good enough for the Bengals captain his whole career.
Speaker 2:He made a career out of it. He's retired and he's going to be looked at as a very good Bengals and that kind of guy is who you like.
Speaker 1:Sam Hofer wasn't a first-round pick.
Speaker 2:He was a a second round pick. Consistency like that of a second round pick, as long as he did it chef's kiss for sure.
Speaker 1:It's all you know. Chef's kiss, nine years worth of it bro, cool, yeah, you were in the last two years. You're like, hey, I'm not, I'm not able to play out where I want to be anymore. Cool, no one faulted you. That was a set you left I like sam hover. He's a great guy awesome okay but again, trey henderson gets us closer to where we want to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah no question.
Speaker 1:Especially because Shamar Stewart's getting stood up by a slow-ass, fucking 6'7 tackle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's still physically talented. Even though he may not be fast, he's still physically imposing, he's still very strong.
Speaker 1:You know why he couldn't get sacks? The quarterback got away from him, yeah, yeah. Once he got there, he couldn't get sacks.
Speaker 2:The quarterback got away from him. Yeah, yeah, Once he got there, he couldn't finish his job. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:My nigga, lamar Jackson, is in our division.
Speaker 2:But again, michael Parsons has done that for us all. Pass rush win rate, that's all that matters, right, that can win you defensive play for the years.
Speaker 1:Yeah but Michael Parsons still got sacks. Yeah, no, no, you're not wrong, he does If we're all year three with this nigga and he only has three total sacks. Boot his ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if his pass rush win rate's over 40%, oh my god, I'm gonna come, I don't know. So look, I think Henderson being back it sucks for him, but also I think it shows the Bengals are gonna get get their way.
Speaker 1:He's going to play this year out with us.
Speaker 2:He's going to play it out. He has to.
Speaker 1:He has to play it out. It's in your contract.
Speaker 2:Because if he doesn't, he technically doesn't get credited for the year.
Speaker 1:So you've got to play another year with the Bengals and they keep owning his rights. But again he's about to do the same shit. T Higgins was gone for several weeks for no fucking reason. I am not going to rush back.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take my sweet old time if I have an injury, exactly.
Speaker 1:Again, we still won some of those games, but with T Higgins there it would have been a lot easier. No, for sure, but again he'd get a minor ankle injury and he'd be gone for three weeks.
Speaker 2:But the problem is with T Higgins gone, you still, and gone you got Shamar Stewart and who knows how that's going to look like and I'm not going to put money on it looking awesome with just Shamar Stewart on the field.
Speaker 1:In all honesty, everybody on our I can't say our defense looked better, but our defense I mean Jordan Battle, logan Wilson and Demary's Knight.
Speaker 2:Jordan Battle's been like. Do you see the clip of him? And?
Speaker 1:Chase Him and.
Speaker 2:Chase, yeah, and he's like catch the ball, him and Chase, yeah, and he's like catch the ball, because he stopped Chase from catching the ball. Chase, that's how I'm a little sly. He's like catch the ball, then Catch the ball, then I'm like oh, real quick.
Speaker 1:No, I've been singing his praise of hey, he is as talented as you could want. He has no fucking clue where he's supposed to be out in the field. He has zero fucking clue where he's supposed to be out on the field. Yep, real quick. Players that got Nick Saban's approval leaving college. Yep, you know who else got that fucking approval Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying Jordan Bowden's improved over the last three years. Very good player, yes, in a way that he is straight up lying.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, but at the end of the day he's still a safety, so you can't just have him and Shamar Stewart oh for sure, now again you're battling against two receivers who are both in the top 15 of receivers.
Speaker 1:One of them's number one, one of them's like 12. And you are not letting them get every ball. They're getting some over you.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure they're going to. There's no question about that. You're not the fastest guy in the world.
Speaker 1:They're going to get some over you, but you're still getting up there and getting some down on them Fighting. And when you're not playing the same team every game and you're playing different receivers, and those receivers will never be fucking Jamar Chase and Tee Higg, ratcalf, zay Flowers and Jared Judy. And you can leave Jared Judy open. He may still drop that bitch. Our defense in spurts of. I can pick out pieces that look really good. Logan Wilson has always been good. We extended him for another three years, yep, because, dude, he's one of the better linebackers in the NFL. Like true middle linebacker is one of the better guys. Demarius Knight, as you saw, he made that shit hard on Chase Brown.
Speaker 2:Demarius is Demetrius Knight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, demarius, my bad, I think that's somebody else.
Speaker 2:Demarius Thomas.
Speaker 1:I think that's why I think their name is spelled the same. Yeah, demetrius Knight. But again he has been showing he's getting better in practice. So I am more optimistic going into the season with my defense of hey, in a year or two we may be pretty good on defense.
Speaker 1:Got to keep drafting more players, but yes, and I've seen some of our other DBs that are doing better. The dude who had an ACL last year, dj Turner yeah, he had an ACL last year. He's also from Michigan, he's back and he's been doing great too. He lost some of the quickness.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But again when he was a little longer. Anyway, he's still Playing great. I just it doesn't mean shit If the quarterback has time. Yeah, no for sure. Where you win Fucking coverages Is when the quarterback doesn't have time to sit there and be like, hey, somebody will be open.
Speaker 2:Either have to have a better pass rush to give the corners not have to cover as long, or you have to have lockdown safeties and bound the back end, or you can have a good balance.
Speaker 1:If we are okay, I'm talking if we are top 20 in defense, we are a playoff team. We're winning 10 games, yeah. With the offense you have yeah, no question, we just got to be top 20 in defense, and that's where we went super Top 20. We were top 15. We were like 14.
Speaker 2:But again they were playing above their weight class.
Speaker 1:Our defense was yes.
Speaker 2:Specifically.
Speaker 1:Because Jesse Bates would go out there and be like I'm going to go grab this interception late in the game and he would just snatch that bitch Again for somehow the hodgepodge of DBs we had fucking Eli Apple, mike Hilton. Cam Taylor-Britt was in his first year and he played great.
Speaker 2:Heck, is Mike Hilton even playing with the Bengals? Now he's with somebody else right?
Speaker 1:No, he retired.
Speaker 2:No, he's not, he was with somebody else.
Speaker 1:No, I think he might.
Speaker 2:No, I don't care who cares, it's Mike Hilton. He's a fucking slot DB who plays three times a fucking game to blitz the quarterback. He was one of your best corners, though he was a slot DB, but he was at least doing his job.
Speaker 1:He was doing his job, but again, Dax Hill can kind of do that, no he can't.
Speaker 2:Dax Hill ain't there no more.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is.
Speaker 2:Dax, still, still there.
Speaker 1:Dang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a shame. That's a shame they picked up his fifth year option. I guess you can get it for two. No, he has one more year.
Speaker 1:Oof. This is his last year. They did not pick up his fifth year option Did not pick it up Because he was a 2022 pick.
Speaker 2:Yes, he was. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, mm Insane who isn't there.
Speaker 1:Who is still there? Is the 2023 pick. What's his name? From Clemson, Another dude who is really-.
Speaker 2:He's still there.
Speaker 1:He is, yes, another dude who is really super uber athletic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's more of a D-tackle.
Speaker 1:Because he's too fucking big. But Clemson liked playing him at defensive end. Yeah, but Clemson the Bengals are dumb and draft his ass as a defensive end and be like, hey, this fucker's slow.
Speaker 2:Hey, look, your defense needs to just be okay and I think you won a lot of games. We just got to be mid. Okay is an overstatement, yeah.
Speaker 1:We have to be mid. You need to make one to two plays a game. Just get us the ball back. You got to be mid.
Speaker 2:Hendrickson would be a very big step towards that if you can make him Again, even if because he's going to end up having to play. But, like we've said before, if he does end up playing, spiting like despite not getting the money he feels like he deserves, he's not going to play his heart out.
Speaker 2:He's not going to play his heart out. That's the difference, because he doesn't have the most talent in the world. He is just going to outwork the guy he's going against on the offensive line, and that's how you get the best out of him. But I'm just like, if it's not going to work out that way.
Speaker 1:They've given him two contracts.
Speaker 2:It's just they've probably lowballed the fuck out of him. Oh yeah, they've tried. I think the last thing they said they offered was like $28.
Speaker 1:Million a year.
Speaker 2:That they offered him that low. Yeah, that's kind of wild. Myles Gere's getting $40, my boy TJ's getting $41 If he could be okay with like $35. They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1:Real quick. 35 is reasonable. You are older than those guys. Dude, it is reasonable. You are older than those guys and your production started way later. So there's a high odds your production goes down after that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I have a feeling he's going to stand on business and that's not really going to be what he'll want to do. But again, when he's faced with, he's already taken. He went back on his word and come back when he said he wasn't going to.
Speaker 2:So, who knows how far he's going to fall before the seasons kind of start. All right, speaking of guys not getting what they want, micah Parsons has now asked for a trade from the Dallas Cowboys due to a contract negotiations. How do you think this ends? So, apparently, according to the story that I read, him and Jerry got together and talked one on one and apparently Jerry was using that as opportunity to like hey, the conversation started as, hey, how you doing Just kind of friendly kind of thing, hey, how you doing just kind of friendly kind of thing.
Speaker 2:And it started going into a contract and where jerry was trying to iron out a contract from with him and michael parsons, just by themselves in a room together, and, according to everything that's going on, it said like it's like, oh, things are going well. It made it to the point where jerry jones thought like, hey, we ironed our contract all promotes to, all of it's done. And then michael parsons like, yeah, I'll have my agent, uh, david Mulgetta, who was one of the better, one of the more popular NFL agents. I'll have him call you. And then they they tell Mulgetta like hey, this contract's mostly done, what are you talking about? And Mulgetta's like, no, I'm the agent here, what this is, why I get my commission, and there are some things that have changed since that's happened. So that's not how this is going to go.
Speaker 2:But jerry jones is considering a oh that conversation. We had his business and we're not taking things back here. So with all the things going as bad as they have and apparently they're not willing to talk to his agent whatsoever. But here's the thing if a player has an agent and the owner slash team is trying to talk to him specifically without his agent involved, that's not the way you should do things. If the player comes up on his own and says, hey, let's hammer out a deal right here and let's get this all done, that's one thing, because at the end of the day, the agent works for the player. So if the player makes the decision, hey, I'm gonna play for this number, even though it may not be the highest I can get, tj did it years ago, his last contract. It was like oh, the agent was trying to get a little bit more out of Pittsburgh and TJ's like no, I want to get to work.
Speaker 1:I do remember he's like fuck that, let's just, I just want to play. I want to play. And he took a little bit lower than what he was worth at the time, right, because he could have got top dn money at that time and he didn't. He's like I just want to get. I want to get back to work.
Speaker 2:I want to end this. Hold out, I'm done. But at the end of the day, if, if they have that conversation and micah parsons like, hey, I want to get my agent involved, that's his job. Let's make sure everything is together because, again, at the end of the day, a player is not nowhere. There's no way you can guarantee a player knows as much about contract stuff as agents do. That's their whole job. So I just don't know.
Speaker 2:That whole situation is very because I could see it on both sides. I could see jerry thinking like, oh, we worked out a contract. I can also see that conversation going and micah parks as much as he likes to talk and be like, hey, oh, that sounds really good. And like he'll give him the enough gab to be like, hey, all this, all this sounds great. But at the end of the day, it's his right to go to his agent, be like, hey, make sure this is all working out, working good. The team has to be willing to work with that agent because that's the guy that the player trusts.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. It's a very weird situation. Do I actually think that it's good? He's going to end up being traded? I don't think so jerry jones does this shit every single goddamn time. It's oh, we're not going to sign ezeke's, zeke's going to mexico.
Speaker 2:Well, he always ends up signing them, he always ends up overpaying the player and all this ends up happening. And not to mention, if Michael Parsons is off that defense, that defense might be the worst defense in the NFL. That's how bad that defense is around him. So he is their defense. So I just don't think, with Jerry Jones being in his late 80s, you can't necessarily guarantee that he's going to live another three, four or five years to have more opportunities to try to go win a championship before he dies. So I just I think this will end up with Michael Parsons getting paid. But I think this is something Michael Parsons feels like he has to do to get Jerry to work a little faster, because Jerry is going to milk this shit for all that it's worth, because he likes seeing the Cowboys on every single ticker on ESPN, every single day, talking about Micah Parsons having them in the news. Do I think he ends up being traded? Probably not, because I just think this is a fucking soap opera.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real quick, jerry Jones, make sure that happens. On the other hand, on the flip side Tara McLaurin Took the words right out of my mouth there has been so many teams calling the commanders like, hey, what do you want from them? They're like fuck no uh we don't want shit for him. Stop calling we're not apparently like 13 teams have called them about him, uh, and they have said no to every offer that's the problem is like you can't tell a player, you can't tell these teams.
Speaker 2:I love him too much to let him go. There's nothing I'm willing to get, willing to take for him, but at the same time, like I don't want to pay you all the money that you want, you can't. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and that's exactly what the commanders are trying to do.
Speaker 1:I'm the packers right now I'll give you, I'll give you half my number two receivers for your number one receiver.
Speaker 2:If I'm the Patriots right now, what would I do? I get it. You have Stephon Diggs you have Stephon Diggs, but he's not Terry McLaurin, he's not, he's just not. So I'm like, what would you do if you're them? Because, again, the problem is, you have to trade for him.
Speaker 1:You have to give the Patriots, what, what they want. They walk into the fucking Commanders. Open up a trench coat, take your pick, Anyone. You have anyone Like, come on.
Speaker 2:Terry McLaurin is taking advantage of this opportunity because, hey, this is potentially one of my last contracts big contracts I'm going to get in my career. I have been the face of your franchise with all the bullshit quarterbacks you've had, playing here Like I've been that dude and now you don't want to pay me now that you have the quarterback that you want, but he's gonna be cheap for the next two, three years. So I'm like why wouldn't you want to pay me now when I have done exactly what I have done, especially last year where I tore it up?
Speaker 1:I was your leading receiver last year, so like I've been your leading receiver every year yeah, I've been that guy for y'all, so I'm like it's a crazy stat when dude has caught 13 different touchdowns from 13 different quarterbacks, like that's a crazy stat. He's been with you through a lot of bullshit, through a lot of shitty owners and y'all won't pay him right now. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Y'all got your quarterback now, but you're not going to pay me Like I just think— this is a bad time to do this and you're not going to trade me. We love you too much, but we're not going to pay you because we don't think you're worth what you think you think you're, you think you're worth and I'm like it sucks for everybody because I'm like terry mccorn's done everything right. He's played it, especially the last contract he had. He took less than he probably could have taken and he he's been the good soldier. He's done everything he's possibly can do.
Speaker 1:He took way less than his last contract. And y'all want to be dickheads. He should have policed them for everything they were worth at the time and he didn't. And he should have. He should have by a lot because they can't. They also suck at drafting. At the time, back when he took that contract, they were still hot ass at drafting.
Speaker 2:There's no guarantee they're still good.
Speaker 1:you can't necessarily say they're great at drafting again, but they've gotten way better. Imagine Forbes to fucking reach.
Speaker 2:But that was bad but they've gotten better yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2:They're being absolute assholes to him and I'm like I wish he can go somewhere where he can get his money. He can probably go to a better like again, I can't say a more winning situation because I do think the commanders are looking up by comparison to a better like. Again, I can't say a more winning situation because I do think the commanders are looking up, and by comparison to a lot of teams in the nfl. But he just wants to have his chance to get his slice of the pie. Give the man his money and but this one is one. I could totally see him getting traded because teams, at the end of the day, if you don't want to pay the wide receiver, you like you can draft another guy. That's, that's what the idea.
Speaker 2:Unless you are a tippy top guy and Terry McLaurin, I love him you can't necessarily call him a top five or top like. He's close to the top ten. Like, would I call him a top ten receiver? That's definitely a question to have. But, like, unless you are a top five guy, that is, you can pretty much replace anybody else, the way the NFL teams look at it. So, but again, they're not going to replace him. They want to keep him and not pay the guy, so I'm just I'm. It's very messy situation that I I wish, for terry's sake, him being a buck. I followed him for a long time. I would. I would love for him to get his opportunity to get the money he has well earned throughout his career so far so okay, real quick thought.
Speaker 2:This can be a very quick exercise, doesn't have to be long, this can be a very quick, one answer type of thing. I'm only talking about the Buckeyes for a second. The defensive tackle for the Buckeyes got hurt the other day and it was like uh, edric Houston, who's supposed to be our starting D tackle, he's going to be a monster, top five star guy, right. He got hurt in for like three or four hours. Everybody was like if he's hurt long-term he's going to be done for the season. Because it was a non-contact injury.
Speaker 2:And usually in the NFL if you have a non-contact injury, usually you're going down for a while, if not the whole season. Same thing as in the NBA. If you get a non-contact injury, especially a lower leg injury, it becomes a problem. So it sent Buckeye fans into a fren, a frenzy because they're like well, if we don't have him, we don't have a lot of depth on the defensive tackle spot. So like, if that, like how bad can our season go if that one player gets hurt? And that kind of spurred a thought in my brain. And we're not gonna do this for college football because it's a little bit too big, but in the NFL. If you had to pick one non-quarterback for every single NFL team that, if they got hurt, would totally, could totally change the tide of the whole season, could you come up with a player for each team? That non-quarterback Because, again, quarterbacks has an abnormal amount of impact on the football game Could you do it? One player for each team? I think between the both of us we could.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Quick answer for each one Buffalo Bills If it's not Josh Allen, I think Von Miller would be a bad injury. Oh, matt Milano, the linebacker, that would be a huge injury that they probably couldn't come back from. Okay, or the running back he's not paid, he's not paid, he's not paid, but like he's gonna end up playing.
Speaker 1:He's not gonna sit off my knee.
Speaker 2:Come on, dolphins, tyreek hell right to. Uh. Oh yeah, no, non-quarterback. Oh, quarterback's too easy, I know, but is it tyreek hill? At this point I would say so. He's like he doesn't fit their offenses right now, but so is it. But he's a bit still a big enough threat to where teams have to account for him All right, okay, and with their offense being a lot of trickier mirrors. That's a huge thing.
Speaker 1:Tiger kills on a bad one.
Speaker 2:Patriots Christian Gonzalez. Their defense has a lot of new faces. Christian Gonzalez is probably the lockdown corner on their team.
Speaker 1:He is the lockdown corner. I think Without him they're defensive, stephon.
Speaker 2:Diggs yeah, but he's meant to be their number one receiver. Without him, they're back down to having no weapons.
Speaker 1:I agree, but I still think it's Christian Gonzalez. You have a guy that can lock. He locked the fuck out of Jamar Chase, week one. You have a guy of that caliber of like we're looking at. He's probably going to go into this year and be in a top five court.
Speaker 2:Or we can say they're off the line. So bad the offensive tackle they picked. Oh, Will Will Campbell, yes, Will Campbell. If he gets hurt, they draft him to be their left tackle and they're off the line, it's awful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he gets hurt their season's over.
Speaker 2:That's probably a better one AFC Derrick Henry, that has to be, or or Kyle Hamilton that's who it was.
Speaker 1:I was like, no, he's a defensive player.
Speaker 2:I can't think of Kyle Hamilton. That's probably he's like the biggest piece of their defense right now.
Speaker 1:Bengals Hendrickson, if he's on the team Jamar Chase, jamar Chase, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Again, you still have T, but T isn't.
Speaker 1:Jamar, it's Jamar Chase yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, browns.
Speaker 1:Miles. Gary Miles, gary, yes, Steelers, it's TJ Wild Time out.
Speaker 2:Do you see that?
Speaker 1:they had Denzel Ward as the ninth best corner in the NFL. When how Madden has him as the ninth best quarterback? Pff, but fuck PFF. But ESPN has him as the ninth best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2:He's top five, top five, corner Easy.
Speaker 1:You're telling me there's truly eight motherfuckers better than him.
Speaker 2:Jamari Chase was asked who is the corner that gives you the most trouble, he said denzel ward, dude like come on denzel warts, that fucking dude don't do that again.
Speaker 1:I know he's a buck guy, I know I slept every buck I off. But come on, last year had one of the only actual interceptions off of joe burrow that wasn't a tip. Joe burrow had three tip interceptions. No, denzel ward took that bitch out. The air.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't care, he care, he's that dude. He's that dude. Last year he had a no-fly zone, I get it. He had a couple years where his injury marred, but last year he was an absolute monster.
Speaker 1:They couldn't throw the left side of the field because he was over there. He didn't have no safety help.
Speaker 2:Nope, they tell him lock down their best guy. Sorry, give the Browns any sort of credit, but Denzel Ward is that guy. Pittsburgh is definitely TJ Watt. It's you.
Speaker 1:TJ, no questions asked Bears. Roman Dunzay.
Speaker 2:They have other receivers. They just drafted another second-round receiver this past year. Dude, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1:I can't name it if it's a player or a team?
Speaker 2:I can't either. If it's not Caleb, they don't have. Oh, they did draft. Did they draft a running back? No, they drafted a tight end. I guess. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I practice.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And also he's been Ben Johnson's favorite due to scheme.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do foresee him taking a jump to be in the number one receiver they do have all those linemen, probably one of those linemen would probably be a better pick because their offensive linemen were so bad last year I don't know which one they drafted so many in this draft. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. It has to be Roman Dunzix. I truly do believe he takes the jump to be the number one receiver, because they have nobody else. They have DJ Moore.
Speaker 2:Oh, probably DJ Moore.
Speaker 1:I know, but I think— he stretches that offense.
Speaker 2:Like Roman Dunzix is not a burner.
Speaker 1:But I think in top-end talent Roman Dunzix is better.
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe at one point he will be.
Speaker 1:I just think DJore is just a that's the thing I think this year is the year he's that guy maybe, so I think he fits a ben johnson offense because him and our mom are very similar. They're not super fast. They can do a lot, a lot of different things tan brown's a different animal.
Speaker 2:But okay, I can see. I see what you're going for a fucking murderer.
Speaker 1:If he's not a football player, yeah, that's who he is yeah, he's a.
Speaker 2:He's an animal dude, uh, detroit lions he's Detroit Lions. It's St.
Speaker 1:Brown right, or is it Aiden Hutchinson?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because their defense is a lot of holes. It changed their season last year when he got hurt.
Speaker 1:So I think it's Aiden Hutchinson. I think they're on a TJ system right now. Without him, we are scared, shitless because every game for them became a shootout and, unfortunately, your quarterback is not. Their defense was unimaginably hurt in a way that it's so unlucky, but without Hutchinson they have no pass rush same as the Bengals yeah, no, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. Packers, oh, the running back Jacobs, all their wide receivers are kind of garbage. They don't really have a defensive player that they really rely on.
Speaker 1:I first thought it was Jair Alexander. I was like he's not there.
Speaker 2:He's not there, no more.
Speaker 1:Defensively they would have to be Jacobs, probably.
Speaker 2:Jacobs, minnesota. Justin Jefferson yeah easy, no questions asked. Dallas Michael Parsons or CeeDee Lamb yeah easy, no questions asked. Dallas, michael parsons, c or cd lamb, one of the two that's my course. C I made that good they do have. They do have george pickens now, so I guess they do have another weapon to go to if they don't have a pretty good practice.
Speaker 1:It's michael parsons. That defense is garbo and he can be good for now it's keeping his his attention, every, every game, every snap.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna happen, giants, oh I.
Speaker 1:I can't say it's abdul carter because I haven't seen how he fits in the offense onto the defense.
Speaker 2:So I would they have so many. They have so many pass rushers.
Speaker 1:Dude, I agree but I think dexter lawrence without him.
Speaker 2:He's a big, deep middle of the defense and he is very.
Speaker 1:He's a lot like Cam Hayward. He had like nine sacks last year and as a DT that's pretty fucking good. So I think it's Dexter Lawrence. I think they're wide receiver too. Ooh, malik Nabors is also a good one, but they're also very. He instantly was their best receiver. I agree, but I don't know if you've noticed they've been misman shoulder injury and they're still letting them practice. Now he is a soldier, he's a trooper. Yeah but.
Speaker 1:I do believe it's dexter lawrence. He's like the face of their defense of. Without him he can't you kind of lose it. Yeah. So I want to say dexter lawrence, I believe he's the best guy on their defense. Cave on thibodeau is really good, brian branch really good, but without a good guy in the center he's very he's a monster, he's very much like cam hayward and how he plays of he's in the backfield. Yeah, I want to say it's Dexter Lawrence, but I'm cool if you say Malik, they do have.
Speaker 2:Xavier McKinney as their safety too. He's also a monster.
Speaker 1:I agree, but I still think their pass rush is what makes them so lethal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question, commanders, I think it's time to learn, Scary Terry, Because obviously not including the quarterback defensively.
Speaker 1:That wide receiver room does become very, very scarce.
Speaker 2:Scarce, scarce, and they throw the football a lot. It's not like they run the football a bunch Houston.
Speaker 1:Ooh.
Speaker 2:If I had to say so, I would say it's Will. Oh, no, no, no, it's a corner.
Speaker 1:It's the corner. Oh, Derrick Stingley.
Speaker 2:Jr Stingley.
Speaker 1:They have a lot of juniors on that team. Yeah yeah, Derrick Stingley Jr. Derrick Stingley is that guy. He locks down one side of the team Will.
Speaker 2:Johnson, no, it's Will Anderson. Will Anderson Jr. I don't know no, Will Anderson, he wreaks havoc.
Speaker 1:One of those two.
Speaker 2:One of those two. They're like tied. They are very close.
Speaker 1:They're like tied, because I do believe they both get even better going into this year. Yeah, so I think it's one of those two.
Speaker 2:It's one of those two. That's a hard one, though. That's a hard one. That is a hard one.
Speaker 1:Oh, or Nico Collins, they're fiending for receivers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did just draft the two, but like Nico's that Like when he's on there that did happen last year, when he wasn't there, their offense looked a lot different.
Speaker 1:But Tankdale also got hurt.
Speaker 2:But Tankdale got hurt, and then everybody.
Speaker 1:I hope Nico comes back to football. I really do. I do hope so too but that injury was nasty.
Speaker 2:He hit everything in his life. Could it be Nico Again? I think they have a nice three-way tie going.
Speaker 1:They really do. They really do Colts. Is there another option besides Michael Pittman Jr?
Speaker 2:They're running back when he's playing.
Speaker 1:He's about to be 30.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong, the running back is very easy, but he's such a good player on that team they really don't have. Pittman Jr is definitely a really good answer, I know, but Pittman Jr is the number two ass receiver. They do, but they also have other guys that are also playing downs. He plays very well for that team too.
Speaker 2:I don't know that's a wrong one and defensively, do they really have a guy like they really grew in line? I don't think so. I input Honestly the quarterback doesn't even matter because of how bad that that whole situation is. Jags, could it be travis hunter already? It's based off how much they gave up to trade for him, or it's brian thomas jr.
Speaker 1:I I don't, I don't know how you affect the team yet oh, or could it be their um the defensive end?
Speaker 2:his name is josh josh allen, josh heinz allen, uh, but it's brian thomasines Allen, but it's Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that they drafted Travis Hunter and they still said, hey, you're the number two. No fucking question, brian Thomas Jr is their number one guy.
Speaker 2:He's so good, they really don't have running backs. Etienne's good. He's not good. He's fine. He's good, no, he's not. I've hated him since he was at Clemson.
Speaker 1:Dude, I know, that's why he's good. I know he's actually good. You just don't like him.
Speaker 2:He's fine. He's not good.
Speaker 1:Falcons. Is there somebody on the defense? Is it Jesse Bates?
Speaker 2:Probably Bates if. Db. What's his name? Oh, that's, it's one. He's like one of the brothers dude. He's one of the brothers Death Shark. I got it, I got it, I got it. It's Corner. It's Terrell, aj Terrell.
Speaker 1:AJ Terrell's not a bad option either.
Speaker 2:That's a very good option, very good option. Bijan, it's fucking B. John, it's B.
Speaker 1:John, it's B.
Speaker 2:John, no questions asked.
Speaker 1:Jesse Bates and Derek Sillian. No, what's his name?
Speaker 2:Jesse Bates and AJ Terrell.
Speaker 1:Jesse Bates and AJ Terrell ain't far.
Speaker 2:But it's B.
Speaker 1:John.
Speaker 2:It's B John. It's B John, he Such a freaking weapon dude. He's freaking awesome, like fantasy Very high up there. He just does everything for that offense. It's never going to be both at the same time. He's either receiver one game or he's a running back the next game. He's never doing both all at the same time, but he is an absolute monster when they absolutely use him that way. Let's go to Carolina, carolina. Could it be they're running back Sanders? Could it be they have a? They're running back Sanders. Chuba Hubbard.
Speaker 1:No, it's Sanders. Right, it is Chuba Hubbard, my nigga.
Speaker 2:They just signed. Oh, they did sign, chuba.
Speaker 1:Hubbard yeah, they re-signed him.
Speaker 2:Chuba Hubbard was on their team bro, I thought it was Miles Sanders the guy. They paid. Yeah, and then Chuba Hubbard took the role from him. Or it could be the tight end, or it could be the guy they just drafted Ted Arogan, Mick Miller. He is like the key to potentially them having an actual offense.
Speaker 1:I don't think rookies count. I don't know how the fuck you affect the team yet.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, it's Chubabard. Yeah, okay, Chub. New Orleans Saints. Yes, it's the defensive end that they have. They're the only really great player, or?
Speaker 1:Alvin Kamara. They're both old. That's the problem. Alvin Kamara and Cam Jordan are both older.
Speaker 2:But Cam Jordan's hard to replace. You can get good running back play in from the most weird areas.
Speaker 1:Can you get Alvin Kamara running back play?
Speaker 2:Probably not but it's easier to replace. If you can get 60%, it's harder to get a Cam Jordan and replace him Somebody to give half the player Cam Jordan is.
Speaker 1:I agree. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying it's a little closer.
Speaker 2:But Cam Jordan is a good answer. I'd probably say, cam, we're going to Tampa, mike. Um, we're going to Tampa, mike Evans. Ooh, could it be the running back that he was like he was?
Speaker 1:Bucky Irving.
Speaker 2:Bucky Irving.
Speaker 1:Ooh, but it's Mike Evans though.
Speaker 2:But they have Emeka now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but with Chris Godwin coming back from the ACL and Emeka being a rookie.
Speaker 2:Hold up. No, we're missing somebody there, no.
Speaker 1:Vita Veya.
Speaker 2:Tristan Wirfs their tackle.
Speaker 1:Ah, it's him, my bad. He's one of the best tackles in the NFL. Vita Veya is not far either.
Speaker 2:Vita Veya Levante David Antoine Winfield Jr. Levante David's so old. He is old, though, yes, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:He is older, it might, I think, tristan Wirfs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good pick. Keeping Baker upright is your best way to do it and if you can, I think Tristan Wirfs. Let's go with. Where are we at now? That's Tampa, denver.
Speaker 1:Patrick Sertain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question asked. That's the answer, courtland.
Speaker 1:Sutton second, but it's Patrick Sertain they paid Courtland Sutton too.
Speaker 2:They paid him a ton of money. Patrick Sertain, tpoi, yeah, yeah, patrick Sertain is that guy, though that boy had Jamar Chase and T Higgins in a fucking blender.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they still got theirs, but for the first two quarters he was on their ass.
Speaker 2:Yep, no question Kansas City. It's Chris Jones. Yes, he's the best player on the defense by far and they lose a lot if you're not including Patrick Mahomes. They lose a lot of receivers here or there. Travis Kelsey isn't nearly the same guy he was, but he is still second and they still have Noah Gray.
Speaker 1:They still have a very good tight end, True but again I still think Travis Kelsey, he is so. The connection between him and Mahomes is so vital, they focused on when they played teams that he is the second guy after Chris Jones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Chris Jones is that guy. He's like the key to their defense being as good as it is. Let's go with Raiders Brock Bowers, max Crosby it's Brock Bowers. Their defense is ass.
Speaker 1:So is their offense. It's Brock Bowers, real quick. There's no reason to watch that game. If that boy's not playing, stop playing with me. It's Brock Bowers.
Speaker 2:But they have Geno. Why watch the game if there's no?
Speaker 1:Brock Bowers, you can't win a game by running the football game. It won't work.
Speaker 2:They play too good of teams though Genti's awesome.
Speaker 1:Rookie don't fucking count, it's Brock motherfucking Bowers. It's Brock Bowers. I'd love to say it's Max Crosby, but, bro, sometimes I think you're okay at best. It's Brock fucking Bowers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's Brock fucking Bowers. Yeah, it's Brock Bowers. He's that guy over a thousand yards. I'm trying to make a different argument.
Speaker 1:The trajectory of your team legit went as soon as you drafted it.
Speaker 2:It went straight to the roof because he is that good the defense has to give him so much attention, it'll open it up, even if you don't have the most amazing weaponry outside of that but that's the thing you have to focus on a linebacker and then probably a DB on him.
Speaker 1:You know what that does. It opens up your run game a lot.
Speaker 2:Chargers. It could be Cleo.
Speaker 1:Mack. It is Cleo Mack, I agree.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at the rest of their defense. It's probably Khalil Mack, derwin James.
Speaker 1:It's Khalil Mack Derwin, james Lavin McConkie.
Speaker 2:Rashawn Slater. That is their left tackle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they have a good left and right tackle and I think that right tackle could easily transfer to the left tackle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, you're not wrong, Because left tackle it's like, hey, we have Slater. I'm going to put you at right. So I think it's probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, joel's good, but again, you can always move him to left.
Speaker 1:He's not the fastest guy ever, but he is so long that it doesn't matter, which is why I think Rashawn, slater and Joel are very interchangeable. Slater's a lot faster, but Slater's a lot more injury-prone, which is why I think they drafted Joel.
Speaker 2:Especially just have him lock up the right side without much of a question.
Speaker 1:It's Klumac, then Derwin James.
Speaker 2:They really don't have anybody else. Bosa's gone. He's playing in Buffalo. Next one we got Arizona Cardinals Budabaker.
Speaker 1:They don't have a defense with a lot of amazing pieces. I also think it's Trey McBride. Budabaker being 32. They have other weapons, though they don't have a defense with a lot of amazing pieces, true, but I also think it's Trey McBride.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they also have a lot of— Buda Baker being 32. They have other weapons, though.
Speaker 1:They have James Conner Again, but he was a premier weapon.
Speaker 2:He was, but I also think Marv is going to take a step up with—.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, from what?
Speaker 1:their offense was last year. He was so integral. Budabaker is like 31, 32 years old.
Speaker 2:No, he's not. How old is Budabaker? Budabaker is not that old Budabaker he is 29. Yeah, so he's not old. No, it's a tough one. I will give you that Tough one. I don't think it's Trey. No, it's a tough one. I will give you that Tough one. I don't think it's far Rams. And why is it not Pukunuku? Jared Verse is a great second option for why I guess they still have Devontae Adams now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:And he can easily slide into a wide receiver. One roll and you won'tontae Adams now, yeah, but, and he can easily slide into it. Why was your one role and you won't really miss a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Puka.
Speaker 2:Nakua is like the he's integral.
Speaker 1:He's a straw that stirs. That drink Puka Nakua than Jared Verse and I can't say it's Adams I don't know how he's going to work in the offense yet. Yeah, he'll work fine, so I think it's Puka than Jared. Verse.
Speaker 2:But Jared Verse was like he was a monster. He was lights out in his rookie year, and that defense is not full of stars.
Speaker 1:They don't have a bunch of dudes. He is a star. That's why I think he's second.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:San.
Speaker 2:Fran Christian McCaffrey right, he's the key, nick Wilson.
Speaker 1:Huh, nick Wilson. Yeah, with a lot of new faces.
Speaker 2:Then Fred Warner. Fred Warner too, but I think Nick Bosa might be even more vital.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, then CMC. No, it's George Kittle. Nick Bosa, fred Warner, cmc.
Speaker 2:Or you could say the tackle for them too His name. Oh, I know who you're talking about. I always forget his name it's still George Kittle, though I always forget Kittle, though it's George Kittle.
Speaker 1:They have zero pass catchers and you don't know what CMC is truly going to be. Trent Williams Again, I still think it's George Kittle, nick Bosa, fred Warner.
Speaker 2:I would say probably Nick Bosa, with how weak their defense is now. I would say Nick Bosa, and I think to a certain extent maybe you don't get the same production out of the tight end position.
Speaker 1:They have three receivers on their team right now.
Speaker 2:But they've never had three, they've never had awesome receivers.
Speaker 1:Exactly. You know what they've always had George Kittle, because he's shorthands. This, your number one tight end. But they don't always use him like that this your number one tight end, Joe Von and as great of a blocker as he is.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yeah okay, at least get the Seattle Seahawks, could it be, jason?
Speaker 1:Who is it Devon Witherspoon.
Speaker 2:That's a very good corner.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 2:That's, that's. I don't think.
Speaker 1:Kenny Walker is very far either. They did struggle a lot, yeah, but their second-string running back Zach Charbonnet.
Speaker 2:he was awesome last year for them.
Speaker 1:He played most of the year Again but you could tell they struggled more without.
Speaker 2:Kenny Walker there.
Speaker 1:And they couldn't run the ball as much because Zach Charbonnet couldn't just bully his way through. So you know.
Speaker 2:Their line is terrible, so no way to relate. I think it's probably JSN.
Speaker 1:It has to be JSN Then Devon Witherspoon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah that yeah. Yep, and that's about it. For that, that's every team. I felt like it was just a fun thing. No, it was cool, because it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1:Like hey, when that one player goes down, oh my god, we're fucked. There's teams with like there see, now I'm questioning if it's jamar chase, because we weren't fucked without him for like three games last year.
Speaker 2:We were still fine and you still have a lot of other weapons that you can potentially go to.
Speaker 1:So now I'm questioning if it is trey henderson or not because without him I do, I we don't win nine games. So I you know you may have been right. It may have been trey henderson hey, it's fine.
Speaker 2:No, you know your team better than me, but jamar chase is like he takes your offense from being average to being amazing, but again, I think t higgins still fits into a number one receiver role, perfectly fine yeah, but I think, but you still lose a little bit of the juice like he's. You lose a little bit yeah speed.
Speaker 1:We don't have a lot of fast guys on the offense and he is the fastest guy, so we lose a lot of speed. Yeah, but yeah, all right, that's a fun exercise it was cool, that was fun.
Speaker 2:That was fun pietro resistance today. We are going to keep this going when it comes, because we did our all of our previews of all the all the uh divisions of the nfl and the one thing we have been doing is all of our position rankings, and we were were supposed to do running backs.
Speaker 1:I had the running backs and DB lists. You fuck ass, dude. I need you to know that I had that list prepared at that time.
Speaker 2:I have been seeing all of these people do their list for quarterbacks and I've been getting pissed off by them, especially the Jalen Hurts conversation. All of this has been going on for so much and it's making my blood boil so I'm like I finally got to a point where I was like man, I really just want to do this shit and get it out of the way, especially with all this NFL, because we're going to wait till last to do it. But I'm like the longer we wait, the more NFL news is going to come out and I feel like this may be the perfect opportunity to have it. Have it be the feature thing, because it does end up taking over the whole episode, because we just get end up getting pissed off each other. So much about doing our lists. I just thought this was the perfect opportunity to do it because I really wanted to, so I wanted to do it. I'm like, hey, let's go ahead and go through this thing, because this is the biggest list we do of all the positions, because we do all 32, instead of just doing a top 10 for all the other positions and not only for me.
Speaker 2:I think Jace did it too. We also have a little bit of like a section. What is it when you section them off like categories or Dang it Tears? I set them up as tears as well, and I also did a little thing where I kind of say whether they're trending up, trending down or just kind of staying where they're at. I also did that too. So, jace, you want to go first or you want me, we I also do that too.
Speaker 1:So, jace, you want to go first, you want me? We'll do 32 through 28.
Speaker 2:32 through 28. Okay, I didn't really do a tier down here, it's just like shit is probably the tier I'd probably call it. Or wow, we're fucked. Brown starter at 32. Tyler Shuck at 31. Colt starter at at 30 and then JJ McCarthy at 29, you know.
Speaker 1:I had Tyler Shuck at 32. I just had Joe Flacco at 31, anthony Richardson at 30, jj McCarthy at 29 we're not that far off. That's crazy it's very similar actually.
Speaker 2:And honestly I say Browns, it's probably going to be Joe Flucco, it'll probably be Joe Flucco. But that situation is so shit. I want to put it all together because of how badly they have managed that whole scenario. This will where we may have a little bit of difference here. I think I might. I mean 28 through 23. Oh yeah, 28 got Bryce Young. 27,. I have Russell Wilson we're good. 26,. I have Cam Ward. Cam Ward should have been higher. That's the one I'm like.
Speaker 1:I think might be higher I agree 25, I have Bo Nix. My nigga what.
Speaker 2:I don't give a fuck what Bo Nix did last year. I think he was an amalgamation of what the offense was put in for him to do. You are, he is a short throw merchant and I think other guys can do exactly what he's doing in that offense.
Speaker 1:I disagree with everything you're fucking saying right now.
Speaker 2:I don't give two fucks.
Speaker 1:All right, then why is Tua so fucking high?
Speaker 2:Because I think Tua does something.
Speaker 1:Where's?
Speaker 2:Brock Purdy at.
Speaker 1:He's right after him.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's other guys.
Speaker 1:No, If your argument is oh, somebody else can do exactly his job, Brock Purdy should be right fucking there.
Speaker 2:I think Brock Purdy has done it more. I think Brock Purdy has done a little bit more.
Speaker 1:I'm going to punch you in the face. You are the fucking perfect. You are the dude that says, oh, anybody can do that in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Anybody can do that in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:I am Fuck you, he, whatever dude.
Speaker 1:I have Bo. What is it? To 25 right or you want to do 24, let's do 25 alright, so Bo Nix 25. I have Russell Wilson at 28, okay, michael Penix at 27.
Speaker 2:Michael Penix much higher. I believe in him, I believe in his, I believe in you, I don't believe in your offense.
Speaker 1:I don't believe in how your team is ranked okay. I have Cam Williams at 25.
Speaker 2:I have Caleb Williams a little higher yeah.
Speaker 1:Damn Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2:Oh, 25. Okay, I'll give you 24 through 20. 20? Yeah, 24,. I have Aaron Rodgers. Look, I like how you think, bro, In this section this tier I have, yeah, but that's what this tier is. Yeah, but so 24, I have Aaron Rodgers 23,. I have Justin Fields 22,. I have Sam Darnold. Okay 21 is Michael Peck. I mean, then I'll leave it for 21, because 21 starts like my next tier up. Okay, so 24 through 21,. What do you got?
Speaker 1:Aaron Rodgers, bryce, young Tua, starts like that, my next tier up. Okay, so 24 through 21, what do you got?
Speaker 2:aaron rogers, bryce, young tua, and then I have to 21 no, I left 21 off the table because this telling me was my next tier. I can start at 21. Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1:I have sam darnall at 21, justin fields at 20 um okay rock party at 19. Okay, g Geno Smith at 18., trevor Lawrence at 17. And Kyla Murray at 16.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, 21. Okay, this is my next tier. It's young slash talent to go up.
Speaker 1:Where do you have Justin Fields again?
Speaker 2:I had Justin Fields at 23. Okay, I love Justin Fields you know how much I do. But I think from what we have seen throughout his career, I think we can all admit that he does have some holes in his game that he needs to fix. And whether he can fix them or not is definitely a thing, because it's like at some point you have to accept what a player is and you only can say he's a talent that can go up only for so long. But yeah, yeah, but he can be great. But some things have to kind of start going your way. You know I love Justin Fields, you like. You know it hurts my heart to have him at low 21. So this is young talent to go up. So Michael Penix at 21, caleb Caleb at 20, drake may at 19. And then this is my next tier Can win or lose because of Tua's at 18, brock Purdy's at 17, geno Smith is at 16, and then it goes my next tier up If you want to go from.
Speaker 1:I have Dak Prescott at 15, I have Drake May at 14, I have bo nicks at 13 whoa god damn bro, I had. I had to drive to stop playing me. I had to drive to outback steakhouse watching this nigga dice up my defense. He is lethal. I don't understand how you having that's fucking low. All right, bro, I I have Bo Nix 13. I have Jay Herber at 12. And I have Jordan Love at 11.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have Kyler. So this is my rollercoaster tier Kyler Murray at 15. Trevor Lawrence at 14. Jordan Love at 13. Dak Prescott at 12. And then my next tier for 11 and 10 is Baker at 11 and Jared Goff at 10, and that tier with Jared Goff and Baker being consistency is key okay, I have Matthew Stafford at 10, baker at 8, baker at nine, jared golf at eight, jayden daniels at seven and I have cd stroud at six I got jayden daniels at nine, I have hurts at eight and that tier is called Flashes and Morticy.
Speaker 2:The next tier up is Elite Skillset, with Justin Herbert at 7, cj at 6, and then I'll say Matthew Stafford at 5. And that finishes up Elite Skillset. I just think you said Matt 5 is where the questions really start, because the top four, no matter what flavor you like, they're all too much staff for them because he's older, but I know what I'm going to get from you.
Speaker 1:The guys above you show me more game in, game out. They're a little more than hey. I'm going to make just the correct throw every single time of high. I can watch them boom a ball in a way that Matt Stafford can't exactly do no more, which is why he's at 10.
Speaker 2:But that's not necessarily because of arm talent. It's more about you're worried about his age type of thing.
Speaker 1:It's age. Yeah, it's just age.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's, Because I think age or not, I think he is the most interchangeable. Put him in there and he can put the ball wherever you need the ball to go. That's where I have him at five, because I just feel like he's been there done that.
Speaker 1:Okay, real quick. My tiers, so six through ten, was like they're the guy, that's who they want us to rock with. That was CJ Jayden Daniels, Goff Baker, Stafford that's who they want to rock with for a while. Then I have prove it Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Drake, May you got to prove it to me when?
Speaker 2:do you have love at?
Speaker 1:11. Okay, prove it, you have to prove you are what everybody believes you are.
Speaker 2:I like that and.
Speaker 1:I have questionables. I have questions.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Dak Prescott, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, Gino Smith, Brock Purdy Questions. I got questions about your play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Then I have another prove-it category of you. Haven't given me enough to question you truly, but I believe you're better than the guys. You can be better than the guys above you. I have Justin Fields, sam Donald Tua and Bryce Young.
Speaker 2:Justin Herbert and Fields. No, I'm about Justin.
Speaker 1:Fields Sam Donald Tua and Bryce Young.
Speaker 2:Justin Herbert and Fields. No, I'm about Justin Fields. Sam Donald Tua.
Speaker 1:Bryce Young, prove it. Okay. Yeah, you need to prove it to me. Yeah. Of Justin Fields, I feel like can be more than a, can be a top 15 guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he can be.
Speaker 1:Sam Donald, I don't know. I don't know what you are, so you got to prove it to me.
Speaker 2:And then that's why I had him in the yeah Dude.
Speaker 1:I need you to play, I need you to like stay alive.
Speaker 2:Tua is in my. Can win or lose because of.
Speaker 1:And then I have Bryce Young rounding out. That last prove it tier yeah.
Speaker 2:Because last year, the more he was having fun. The second half of the year, dude, he was great, the better he got man.
Speaker 1:And right now they gave you a decent weapon. They gave you a couple defensive pieces. They tried to get you some old line out. Yo, show me what you got. Prove it to me.
Speaker 2:At some point you have to be able to do some things on your own.
Speaker 1:From 15 to 19,. I have them above my second prove-it category because, they've shown me more They've shown me better play, but they haven't shown me past that the guys above them in the other prove it category have been. They were most of them in the playoffs, Right. They're just that much better than you, which is why I had Drake May up there.
Speaker 2:Right, okay.
Speaker 1:Of we're like believing that they could win like seven to eight games.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Based on his play alone, because he was pretty good last year, drake.
Speaker 2:May was awesome, and then after that, After that it's the guy like.
Speaker 1:No one's questioning you. No one has questions about Baker. No one has questions about Stafford. No one has questions about Goss or Daniels or CJ no one has questions about them. Yeah, you guys are the guy. Your teams rock with you just as much as you rock with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Fans do as well.
Speaker 1:And then I have one through five they're just elite and then 24 through 32 of some of you may not be playing be a starter next year or playing football next year. Yeah, because I couldn't categorize them.
Speaker 2:Okay, you can't say 20. You can't say Cam Ward is going to be that way.
Speaker 1:Again, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think Cam Ward. He might be the most least. Everybody's starting to have this thought and I'm like. It may be true.
Speaker 1:He might be the least talked about number one pick of all time I've watched Okay, so I've been so bored I don't have any football to watch. I've watched a lot of raw footage. He makes the throw. He throws some pretty balls Again he makes the throw, he does a. Thing.
Speaker 2:He can run.
Speaker 1:But it's like there's nothing about you. That's fucking interesting. There's nothing to talk about about you, which again, that is great. I start to think about it. I'm like no one was saying shit about Joe Burrow either Real quiet and there was nothing to say about him in the offseason.
Speaker 2:He was just playing doing his thing.
Speaker 1:Again, that is a good thing. The only thing in the offseason that he said he's like hey, we're mid. He said in the press conference hey, the Titans are mid. He was like and that does start from me yeah he was like, so hoping going next year. I hope we're better because of my play, but I don't know. As of right now we're a mediocre team.
Speaker 2:That's the guy I wish I probably had a little bit higher, because I think his talent is so a part of it.
Speaker 1:He's a rookie, so at 26 him, michael Penix, same realm of I've.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen you play as much, but I think cam ward is oh, I think talent wise he's way higher than pretty much a lot of the guys agreed, but I don't.
Speaker 1:I think michael pennix could be a little higher oh, michael pennix arm talent wise is insane. I have him at 27, yeah him and cam cam ward are in the same boat, in all honesty. Michael pennix for me he's a rookie going into this year. He's played very little. Um, he's played like three games. So again, you guys are on the same level, for me Sitting lower because you're rookies. Jj McCarthy, I don't expect shit from you, the only reason people think like people have JJ McCarthy the PFF.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure if we said this they have him at 17. I'm like fuck what.
Speaker 1:What 17? No, they have him at 21.
Speaker 2:That's still too fucking high. They have him above Drake May. That's still too high. You saw a full year of Drake May being awesome with very bad talent. Is this more about JJ McCarthy's weapons or is this about his coach being awesome?
Speaker 1:So everybody's assuming he's awesome. I'm saying JJ McCarthy's been mediocre at best.
Speaker 2:Oh, he was great on third down in college, but they didn't ask him to throw for 100, like they said hey, throw for 150 yards a game is all we need. They never put the game all on his shoulders to go win, even in the championship year. How is that going to? How has he shown anybody? He can be that, maybe, but there is nothing. He has shown up to this point for him to be able to say hey, he's an NFL quarterback that'll be able to take on that, but guess what? He'll have Jay Jettas. He'll have all these crazy good weapons. He has an offensive head coach, which makes it worse. Everybody's going to give him all the credit. That's what makes it worse. He's making it so mediocre, exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly. No one's saying you've been bad, everybody's saying you've been mediocre. And that puts me off man, that right, how are you mediocre with that great of an offense? Like if joe burrow in his first year came out and was that mediocre? And he had a pretty good offense his first year and he was mediocre. I don't sound right, right. Um, all right, you ready for five through one?
Speaker 2:yeah go ahead five I got matthew stafford, a part of the elite skill set tier, that's fine. Four I got lamar it's fine three I got josh allen, two I got patch Allen. Two I got Patrick Mahomes Ah, my boy.
Speaker 1:And one I got Joe Burrow yes, sir, as a quarterback with stats, he's number one, my top four.
Speaker 2:I have them in the tier, the core four, because, honestly, if you, they're irreplaceable.
Speaker 2:They're irreplaceable and if you really want to fucking have the conversation, you could put anybody in those top four slots. You could move them around if you want and you could have a real argument as to why your guy will be number one. I really do think so. I agree. I really do think all these quarterbacks have a case as to why they should be looked at as number one guy and all of them can be in that, whatever order you like, but this is my order. I have Joe Burr at number one because, even though I give you so much shit about how he has these amazing weapons, that makes it easier for him. But what he did last year he was maybe two steps away from being an absolute perfect season a quarterback can put up.
Speaker 1:We're about to watch as a quarterback. Okay, his season was so good. You remember when Drew Brees 2011,. That boy put up 6,000? Yeah, that's how good he was looking at certain points. Drew Brees put up 6,000 through like nine interceptions.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But he didn't win MVP because his team didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, his team was shit. Tom Brady won MVP because his team made the playoffs Right. But again, those seasons are very fucking similar. Right, there was no one better than him as a quarterback. A lot of people were like, yeah, he wins the MVP if his team's better.
Speaker 2:Yes, no question. If they just make the playoffs and they were only a game or two off of that he would have won MVP, no questions asked, because of how much better his season was than anybody else's in the NFL. The next class close to do was 1,500 yards away from him, 1,500 yards in 15 left touchdowns and people want to make the case that oh, he was playing from behind a lot. But again, he can't control the fact.
Speaker 1:his defense is shit, but that's the thing he was playing from behind and not making mistakes. How are you playing 20 down and you have not made a single mistake, and now you're tied.
Speaker 2:Would he have like eight five interceptions on the year?
Speaker 1:He had seven total.
Speaker 2:And he had like 40-something touchdowns.
Speaker 1:He had 44 touchdowns.
Speaker 2:I'm like he played so efficient he had.
Speaker 1:Obviously he had a couple fumbles in there, but again you still spend the year under 10 interceptions, with 40 touchdowns and 5,000 yards.
Speaker 2:He played as perfectly as he possibly could with a shitty-ass defense. He scored his team 33 points or more four times. They lost all four of those games. And I know Patrick Mahomes is going to have a lot of people's top spot I know because he has built up a big amount of his career of being that dude. But we have had two seasons in a row where patchwell holmes was not putting up the seasons, like what burrow is doing, like what josh allen is doing or what lamar is doing, and we have been giving patchwell holmes the benefit of the doubt because, guess what? He's winning football games and, for better or fucking worse, he's been in the guy in the super bowl.
Speaker 2:But I think we have to start giving some type of credence to the fact that these other guys are doing what they're doing without andy reed in their corner. Andy reed is one of the top coaches in the freaking nfl and and I just think that every in their defense is awesome and I feel feel like Patrick Holmes has help in a way that some of these other players don't. So just saying, oh, he's just winning games, that should be enough. At some point you have to have the production too, and he's had two years in a row where the production has been down and he got shitted on by the Eagles in the Super Bowl. That has to count too, and his whole team got shitted on. So I'm like, so at some point I have to give some credence to a guy like joe burrow, who had and again, this is a individual award, this individual ranking, where I'm not ranking the guys around you, I am saying, based off the season you had last year, where would I have you ranked right now? And I think joe burrow should be the number one guy, as much as it hurts to say this with jace looking at me, it, because he, he fucking deserves it and that's how awesome he played last year.
Speaker 2:Yes, and my only, my again, my only question is can he do that shit? Can he do that shit again? And it's like, can he? Maybe, I don't know, is it even possible? Yeah, it is, but at the same time, I'm like he was so efficient it's almost like goku ultra interesting type thing, right. It's like you only can hit that that point every once in a while, and he did it for most of the season like, did he waste that hot of a season that he had on a on a team that made it doesn't get to the playoffs. But I think patchwell deserves me number two because he's that dude, he's that guy and I think he needs to have probably a little bit more of that explosive season that he had early on in his career. Then I have Josh Allen 3. I have him above Lamar Jackson because even though Lamar won the MVP no, no, he did not win the MVP, he was the AP winner. For what do they call it? All NFL? All Pro, all Pro? They Nope, all NFL.
Speaker 1:All-Pro.
Speaker 2:All-Pro. They split the All-Pro and MVP between Josh Allen and Lamar. They say Lamar had the better stats. Josh Allen probably had to do a little bit more with his team being a little bit less. Why I put them where they put them is because I think Josh Allen's played better in the goddamn playoffs. Do you know Josh Allen's? No, in his playoff career Josh Allen has played better than Lamar Jackson has, he has, and it has amounted to.
Speaker 2:No, it's amounted to shit. But guess what? At least Josh Allen has the excuses that, hey, he can't beat the two guys ahead of him, he can't beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs and he can't beat the two guys ahead of him. He can't beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs and he can't beat Joe Burrow in the playoffs. Lamar doesn't have that goddamn excuse.
Speaker 2:Lamar Jackson's lost these games to teams that are not even close to what they are. Lamar Jackson has played his worst games in the playoffs. He played all of last year, played great, barely threw any interceptions at all, and then in the first playoff game that they have they, he throws two interceptions in the game against Buffalo to start off the game in the first half. So I just think in general, look, josh Allen has played better in the playoffs than Lamar has. Again, can this season happen and Lamar turned that all around and he plays better in the playoffs than Josh Allen does? For sure, and maybe I'll have him higher next year. But, as of right, those are my top four Joe Burrow number one, patrick Holmes number two, josh Allen number three and Lamar number four, and those are the core four. Those are the guys, those are the elite of the elite, where I think nobody really has a question of having anybody else inside the top four guys. I think that makes sense, all right, so for you, what guy do you?
Speaker 1:do I have? That's too high or what for you?
Speaker 2:and what guy? No, for me too high. Like which one do I do think that I have too high? And which guy do I think?
Speaker 1:you think that I have too low.
Speaker 2:I think Bo Nix the answer for too low. I think you you need. You don't like Joe Bo Nix at 25 for me, which I think you don't like Joe Bonick's at 25 for me.
Speaker 1:Which guy do you think I have too high?
Speaker 2:You have Jay Herbo too high.
Speaker 1:Okay, the Jay Herbo thing right, is his skill set really elite?
Speaker 2:He is at this point. He has not proven anything with that skill set. Cool, then he's too high. This is my last year. Again, the fact that a lot of people still have him in like a top five guy he's. No, I don't think he's anywhere near that, but I think that I didn't even tell you my top five.
Speaker 1:My top five. You didn't even listen to my top five. Oh did you it was Hurts Mahomes, lamar Allen you have Hurts that high.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm sorry. I just kind of Hurts at four.
Speaker 1:No, five, five. I couldn't in good conscience put Jalen Dayhomes above him. Cj Stroud, maybe I could have put in at five, but since I had Stafford at ten, based on his age, and that he just can't do the same thing these other guys can do, he's a statue in the backfield. A lot of the guys in my top ten can at least move. Goff and Baker ain't burners, by no means, but they can get away Stafford's stuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know yeah.
Speaker 1:That's why Stafford was 10. Again, him at 5 is fine because he's so consistent Right and he's going to make consistent plays. He's going to win you a lot of games and that ball can hit every single.
Speaker 2:he can throw the ball any single part of the court. I agree.
Speaker 1:So where you have him at five is cool, but I think that's our biggest difference. I'd have Baker at nine.
Speaker 2:I got Baker at 11. Again, I have him at nine, In a way.
Speaker 1:I have Hurts a lot higher. I have Daniels a lot higher than you do.
Speaker 2:What I have, daniels, at like eight seven and then cj at six.
Speaker 1:I have cj at six we have cj in the same spot, and then our top four is very similar.
Speaker 2:Again, it's the same four guys.
Speaker 1:It's that, it's that five guy again. It's the same four guys in a different order. It's just five. I have hurts here.
Speaker 2:I I just think the hurts thing. I, I again, I just think hurts I agree with you.
Speaker 1:He's very up and down yeah in a way, I foresee him not being at five at the end of the year you think he'll be lower. I think he'll be right at eight, wherever you have him.
Speaker 2:But again, I think you have Herbert way too high. I've made the proclamation that this is Herbert's last year of like. If you don't do it this year, I'm ready to throw you off the wayside, but I have seen way too many perfect balls that he could throw. That, I think, still kind of holds on to my heart where I'm like man if he like really gets everything together. But he just hasn't done. He hasn't proven anything on the football field, in the playoffs, in big moments, where you can really like believe in him long term, you struggled with trevor lauren.
Speaker 2:I feel like you didn't truly like him at 14 well, like I wanted to have him lower yeah, you crossed his name out, like you're gonna move him no, I've crossed his name out because I wanted it, because of the guy I put ahead of him. It was, um, because trevor lawrence man, I'm just like for him dude he's just so open bonix okay
Speaker 2:yeah, I understand if you haven't been like the teams you haven't met 25 under Aaron Rodgers oh, and this is the nice little thing about my list I went through the whole list and I'm like I'm missing a quarterback. Where in the hell, what quarterback am I fucking missing? It was fucking Aaron Rodgers, and I'm sitting like, oh shit, of all the quarterbacks, I was missing the guy that started for my goddamn football team. Out of all the quarterbacks, I'm missing my like oh shit Of all the quarterbacks, I was missing the guy that started my goddamn football team.
Speaker 1:Out of all the quarterbacks, I'm missing. My own, I'm missing my own.
Speaker 2:And again, I don't think you weren't mad about where I put Rodgers, so I think you.
Speaker 1:No, we have Rodgers in the same spot as 24.
Speaker 2:I just think, yeah, but he can work.
Speaker 1:Everybody I have under him is younger or ass.
Speaker 2:Right is younger or ass right, and I'm just like he can't. Can he play up to the standard of the guys in the top 15? Maybe, maybe, but I'm like I'm not gonna bet on it by any means necessary. And again, this is not about the guys that are around you, this is about the player themselves. And if I could switch them around and that's where the, the um, the jalen hurts thing for me if I as great of a seat again, the tush bush is one thing. Oh so, my, so, my brother. I heard this lane Johnson, their left tackle that they have. How unstoppable would it be if they just put him in at the quarterback position to do the goddamn tush bush? How unstoppable would that be? If you put that 6'6" man, that monster of a person, in for the tush-tush, it would never get stopped, ever again. They would guarantee you'd get five yards of play if they put him in.
Speaker 2:Just on his length alone, you're getting five yards On his length alone in his power, because everybody gives Jalen Hurts like, oh, his legs, he has tree trunks for legs. Lane Johnson is a tree, he's a fucking tree.
Speaker 1:So real quick. Hey, remember when Kansas City was running, fuck it. They were running the Wildcat with Dontari Poe. Yes, back when he was throwing touchdowns. It's the same shit.
Speaker 2:Same thing.
Speaker 1:I like that and that's a way for me to kind of take away some credit from Jalen. They can do it with. Jordan Milata. He take away some credit from jaylen. They can do with jordan, jordan, my, my lot of he's bigger.
Speaker 2:Right, we're modest, six foot four, six foot seven. So I'm like, or you could just go and give it this fucking saquon, whose tree trunk legs were just bigger than jaylen hurts. So you take that that you, if you take the switch away from jaylen hurts and the fact that he only threw for like 3 000 yards, he was done with like 158 game again he had. He put. He's played his best in the biggest moments. He's been in two Super Bowls. He outplayed Patrick Holmes in one where they lost. He outplayed him in that game Other than the one fumble where he had, but outside of that he outplayed Patrick Holmes in that game. And in this past Super Bowl he won the Super Bowl MVP. He was a monster but in every game-in-game-out and it's hard for me to put him at a higher level.
Speaker 1:I'm not disagreeing with you, but again, I gotta respect him. He has to be a five. Personally, I have to respect him. What you've done, you've out and that's your bowl. He outplayed the fuck out of Mahomes Like by a lot and in this one you played fine. He played awesome.
Speaker 2:Yes, so again, and that's where also he's like he had a top three line, he had a top three set of weapons, he had a top one running back. He had Saquon was the best last year, the best defense. He had the best defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Again.
Speaker 2:Like you have all. I could switch him out with so many other guys.
Speaker 1:You could switch him out with anybody and they still win this report. You put Allen on that team, you put Burrow on that team. They don't lose a fucking game.
Speaker 2:No question, they don't lose a game.
Speaker 1:You know why. All those guys can sit back there and be like I'm not, and they all do better than you. They all do, and that's why he's at five and again, I think he can play as good as them, but he's not as consistent as them.
Speaker 2:No, he's not.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with him at eight, but I just have him at five. No again.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying you're crazy for having him at five, I'm just saying for anybody out there that's like saying Jalen Hurts has to be a top five quarterback. You could suck a fucking dick. There was times last year where they were like, oh, he's really struggling right now Again.
Speaker 1:personally, I was sitting here struggling. I was like I don't like you more than CJ.
Speaker 2:I don't. I think CJ can win the Super Bowl too.
Speaker 1:I agree, Dude, I truly. You take any of the top five niggas on the list, top ten niggas on the list.
Speaker 2:Other than Herbo. Other than Herbo.
Speaker 1:Even then, your defense is so good, what's it fucking matter.
Speaker 2:I know, but Herbo's been. He hasn't shown to play his best in the big moments, I agree, but again, everybody else on that list has.
Speaker 1:Herbo. His best skill set is he has a golden arm, Golden Cannon.
Speaker 2:And he runs like he's phenomenal.
Speaker 1:They don't want to throw no more on the Chargers because your coach likes running the ball. It gives him a hard-on. Yeah, but we've seen this.
Speaker 2:We've seen this boy put up. He has a glory hole for the running game.
Speaker 1:Dude, like we've seen that boy. We've seen Herbo put up 500 yards. Yeah, no interceptions.
Speaker 2:And they turn him into a Four touchdowns.
Speaker 1:And they still lose.
Speaker 2:They turned Herbo into a pedestrian type of quarterback all throughout last season.
Speaker 1:And he's not.
Speaker 2:Until the playoff game, and they're like, hey, we're going to put our team on your back.
Speaker 1:And that's when he played his worst game he played last year, when they put the team on his back for a whole year. He's a lot better, but it's like, hey, you got to go do it now.
Speaker 2:I almost felt like they waited until that one game to put it all on his back and that he freaked out and, like the whole season, they were like, hey, we don't need you to be a top five guy.
Speaker 1:He's too calm, he's too relaxed.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And he's stressed on him and he's like all right cool.
Speaker 2:He had like 20 something touchdowns. That's all he had last year.
Speaker 1:He's going to a playoff game like, hey, we do everything, and it's like, well, I haven't done this all year. Exactly, what's the problem? Cause I'll be honest with you, talent wise, he's more talented Than a lot of dudes.
Speaker 2:Herbo's so fucking talented, but I'm just like In the biggest games he hasn't when.
Speaker 1:Hey, bro, you throw that bitch Up deep and as far as you can To any of those two receivers and you're running back Elite.
Speaker 2:Oh, and you're gonna have time In the pocket Cause you're off the line as a freaking elite Dude.
Speaker 1:There was games where even fuck the Bills O-line does it a lot, where Josh Allen's go and then just send it straight up. I had never seen Jay Hogan be that calm in the pocket Ever.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But again, he has so much time in the pocket. But they're on the ball now.
Speaker 2:Right, they him throw the ball 15 times a game.
Speaker 1:you're like, oh, that's fine, and he's the guy that can throw the ball 50 times a game right and walk out and go to the next game.
Speaker 2:Throw another 50 times right, this is last year for me. This is it. If he doesn't prove this year where he can be that dude, it's time to start letting him tumble, just like trevor lawrence did last year twice in 12, trevor lawrence. You had him at like 14 I had a, I had a low, I had more than that. No you, you had him at 14. Oh yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was struggling putting him in, because here's my thing.
Speaker 2:I have, because if I have Jordan Love at 13, I don't see much of a fucking difference between Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1:I think Jordan Love can win more games than he can.
Speaker 2:Because that's the thing, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I think talent-wise they're both top ten talents. I agree, but I think Jordan Love takes wins and losses a little different than Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence doesn't seem like he's real sold on football.
Speaker 2:Well, I think Jordan Love isn't necessarily impacted by interceptions either. He's like yeah, I threw that interception, but you know, I have to do what I got to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think he's impacted by losses in a way that Trevor Lawrence just ain't. Yeah, no, you're not wrong Again. You're not wrong Again. You're the greatest. But again.
Speaker 2:this is when Trevor Lawrence his own words can be used against him, because he said multiple times I am not just a football player, I have other things I like in this world outside of football. And I'm like, eh, that's not what the best football players say. They say I am only football until football is over and like, oh, now I have to find something else. I have to do. I live, breathe and eat, tom.
Speaker 1:Brady ruined his family for football, exactly. And he's the GOAT.
Speaker 2:He's the GOAT Like what are we talking about? Fuck my family, my four kids. Fuck them niggas.
Speaker 1:I'm going to play another year.
Speaker 2:I didn't know their name for half their life. I don't care, he is the goat G-O-A-T. I'll cry about it later. I got these Super Bowl rings now.
Speaker 1:That boy back Sydney, sweeney. Two years later he living Do you know what I mean? Jelts had to take half his shit, just for the goat. All my stuff's in my mom's name. Fuck you taking bro Just for him to get half of her stuff. That boy, that boy is the goat, he is the goat, he's the goat. You mean, she ain't taking half of nothing. I ain't got nothing he is getting.
Speaker 2:She's a rich one, bro is getting alimony.
Speaker 1:He is a molt, he is a multi millionaire but he, he married richer than his mama is because all of his stuff's in his mom's name, like a smart person fucking ronaldo the same shit when he got divorced Now he doesn't take from me.
Speaker 2:We were talking about Sean Slater earlier. He got divorced from his wife. The day after their divorce went final, they gave him his contract. That's fucked. Imagine it being a player going to a team like, hey, I want to get paid, but can you wait until this is over?
Speaker 1:The target ownership is a fucking thing. My nigga, I'm playing for y'all for the rest of my life. You say this so much, buddy, I'm going to live and die for this motherfucker. I am dying Legit. He's going in there like I make no money, I ain't got no contract Sorry.
Speaker 2:He's getting half of her $45,000. I'm trying to get paid, but they haven't done it yet. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:He's getting half of her $45,000 a year for the rest of her life and that boy is now a multimillionaire. But again this nigga came back to football, divorced his wife, don't see his kids, comes back, gets half of her shit. She was rich, rich, Gets half of her shit and is fucking. Sidney Sweeney Boy has the blueprint. I need it. I need it.
Speaker 2:Who needs to have family values when you can have Super Bowl rigs?
Speaker 1:Hey, sidney Sweeney, my nigga, what are we doing? What are we doing? That boy's the GOAT. Yeah, he's the GOAT, bro.
Speaker 2:On and off the field.
Speaker 1:He's the GOAT. In the last two years he's been away from DeZell. We've seen him with 15 different women, or 10 dime pieces. Dimes, dimes, dimes, dimes. What you mean, boy, like a coin machine over there after you divorce your supermodel wife. Who are you? What are?
Speaker 2:you, bro. What are we doing? You're divorced, you retire and now you're calling football games and bagging dime pieces. That's it.
Speaker 1:You call football games like ass and they gave you what like $300 million to do that.
Speaker 2:I think it's like $30-something million a year to do it.
Speaker 1:For what you suck at this. He sucks Awful. I wish he was me.
Speaker 2:I wish I was him bro, that's a life, that's a life. That's a life, that's a life.
Speaker 1:That's a life and Trevor's like. I'm more than a football player. I don't give a fuck. I don't give two fucks. I don't give two fucks. Joe Burrow has a dying piece that he said is watching. She's just watching my home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he. Oh, she's just, she's just my assistant and I'm like oh, she's a supermodel that you're calling her your assistant.
Speaker 1:David says shit about her. You know why that boy's a football player Football first.
Speaker 2:Football first.
Speaker 1:That nigga has a Batmobile In Cincinnati.
Speaker 2:No, he canceled it I know I was sad about that I saw it on the show. I'm like he's like I canceled it because I just don't want anybody else knowing anything about my life. And I'm like, oh, he's really about this shit. Dude, like be so separated and I'm like, to one degree it's sad, but at the same time I'm like man, he's really on his shit. He's like none of it is more important than football.
Speaker 1:He is going to be Tim Duncan. He is going to retire and disappear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are never going to see him again. No question, no question.
Speaker 1:You don't hear shit about Tim Duncan.
Speaker 2:Ever no Hall of Fame player Gone coach with the Spurs, but other than that you hear nothing from the guys Soon as the season ends, he's out Gone.
Speaker 1:Zero Fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why Trevor Lawrence is so low because he's a talent but at the same time, he doesn't care about it enough. Feels like there's an extra set of desire that he doesn't have in comparison to the other guys. Zero killer mentality, no questions asked, which is why he's only had one amazing season in his career, and that was when he can sneak up on everybody His freshman year, he snuck up on everybody and ever since he's been nothing.
Speaker 1:You made the first round and we thought you may be good in the next, in years after you've been trash.
Speaker 2:The best since Andrew Luck. Fuck that. Andrew Luck got his dick kicked in Real quick.
Speaker 1:Have you seen Madden Reddings?
Speaker 2:Who they have.
Speaker 1:Cam Ward as a 71.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1:Skadaboo's a 73. Yeah. Cam Ward's not being 71. Travis Hunter's an 84.
Speaker 2:I don't know how they have Travis Hunter so high.
Speaker 1:Asking Jenty's an 80? Cam Ward the first overall pick is lower than a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it should not be the case.
Speaker 1:Your number one overall pick.
Speaker 2:Again. That's another reason why he's one of the most disrespected number one overall picks ever.
Speaker 1:I just don't get it.
Speaker 2:Before he's played it down.
Speaker 1:Real quick. Travis Hunter's rating is the second highest. It's tied for the highest ever.
Speaker 2:Did he get that rating as a corner or as a?
Speaker 1:wide receiver Both.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, oh, okay, that's a no.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you know who he's tied with for highest rookie overall ever? Tied with who Andrew Luck?
Speaker 2:Oh, Andrew Luck, was that dude coming out of college though?
Speaker 1:Andrew Luck. Was that dude as a rookie? He's not Andrew Luck, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question, the Colts pushed out.
Speaker 1:Peyton fucking Manning their Super Bowl winning quarterback. They kicked that motherfucker out, that boy, oh we're gonna get Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2:Bye, you can go get anywhere you want they cut his ass they didn't even try to trade him time out. They said fuck this time out. They said fuck it, fuck it he had.
Speaker 1:Like three years before that, that boy was hoisted on Lombardi, yeah, and then gave you two more great seasons and had to get surgery. It was the first time ever in his career. And y'all got shit kicked in all year he had to get surgery, Neck surgery yeah. And y'all were like Andrew Luck coming. Y'all drafted, Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2:And then the day after you cut Peyton fucking Manning, they cut him before. That's crazy work. That like, because he was able to play, he was able to start the first day of free agency. He was going on a freaking like free agency tour. They were following his plane from place to place and free agency is like a month before the draft. They cut his ass before that. Oh, we got Andrew coming. I'm sorry, dude, you did a lot for us.
Speaker 1:Gotta get out of here. Three years ago he was the consensus best player in football.
Speaker 2:Two years after he had the most decorated college, like one season as a football player. As a quarterback he threw for like 50 touchdowns in a season. And yet, two years after his injury, and they were like nah we rather have Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1:You know what's the funniest shit? No one says the Colts made a mistake. Nobody said that.
Speaker 2:No one said that shit. Andrew Luck retired before he should have because he's got a dick kicked in and nobody says that that was a mistake.
Speaker 1:They're like y'all did wrong by not getting enough help. Y'all couldn't protect him. Worth a damn.
Speaker 2:Nobody blames Andrew Luck whatsoever, because he was that dude and he got his shit kicked in for eight years and is like I don't want my body to hurt anymore.
Speaker 1:Nobody blames him. That boy would play 12 games a year, put up 4,000 yards and then be out of the season.
Speaker 2:He was awesome. He was awesome when he played. And again, nobody, nobody blames them for getting rid of Peyton man. That, and they've been paying the piper ever since y'all fuck that I need.
Speaker 1:Like the colts organization. That dude probably slays in his bed and cries at night he's uh, I think he's working for stanford now.
Speaker 2:He's like they're like gm or whatever not yeah, they're gm, probably he's like their gm of like the of t of the team, the football team, or something like that. So like he's like doing his thing, he's fine, he's doing great. But he was like hey, I'm tired of my body hurt and I'm like you know what? You've taken enough punishment. Where I understand and you can go, I wouldn't. I wasn't one of those. I was shocked when it happened but like the fans that were like that were booing him during the preseason game, fair enough, and I'm like I get it the fans being mad at the moment, but also when you, the more you hear about you're like y'all watched him get hit, get beat, the fuck up and he kept playing Eight years.
Speaker 1:He didn't miss games. He was like unless he couldn't breathe.
Speaker 2:he was out there playing and I'm like he did what he could.
Speaker 1:I used to love hearing him mic that that boy would get blown the fuck up.
Speaker 2:Be like good hit, good hit, good hit. Oh, no question, man, he did everything he possibly could.
Speaker 1:It was fucking. It was. Von Miller ran through this nigga's chest. Great job. Andrew Luck was a big motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Andrew Luck was huge. Von.
Speaker 1:Miller ran through this chest and I remember he was like, oh good, hit baby, good hit baby. I'm like damn, they just tried to murder him.
Speaker 2:And they were letting him you have a quarterback that big. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like I got to hit him.
Speaker 2:Oh, I hit him hard, hit him hard, I got to make him feel it and I'm like, well, you don't have to treat him like he's not a human.
Speaker 1:James Harrison did it. I remember that one too.
Speaker 2:He was a monster man. He was great. That might be one of the biggest what-if type of careers when you're like man what if he really kept going and that team really turned?
Speaker 1:it around. What if he just stopped playing for the Colts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, or went somewhere else, but Again things are a lot different.
Speaker 1:James Harrison was the headhunter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question. There was a Steelers team there that was the headhunter Him and Ryan Clark on the same field.
Speaker 1:Fuck that. That hit against Colt McCoy wild, wild, yeah, fuck, got to be if you have a Colt McCoy, real quick. Colt McCoy didn't have the ball for like five seconds and James Harrison was like killed that. Like killed that. The whole leg snapped back. He was folded over like this and James Harrison walked away. Here he is. I'm like what do you mean? What do you mean? That man is never going to walk again. James Harrison, it was both. It was back-to-back years. He killed the Browns quarterback and, legit, this first year, ryan Clark walked his ass off the field. He's like and in an interview he's. I looked at ryan, he was like he's like I was like, did they flag me? He was like what do you mean if they flagged you? He's like you. He was like you're dead. Ryan clark was like yeah, he was actually. If you got flagged and he's like he was actually he was gonna get fined. He was like ryan clark, he was like. He was like I said you, he was he. I said you're going to get fined and probably suspended.
Speaker 2:Hey, there was another time where James Harris was like man, I hit the guy. I didn't think it was that bad and I didn't think I was going to get flagged, until Ryan Clark came and started dancing over the dude's dead body.
Speaker 1:It was the Browns quarterback. It was the year before.
Speaker 2:I was fined until you came and danced over his body.
Speaker 1:Those niggas were crazy. Ryan Clark gave zero fucks about anybody's life, zero, zero.
Speaker 2:They were trying to kill people.
Speaker 1:For no fun. And then Palomaro was in the back like hey guys.
Speaker 2:Hi, I love you, hi, and he was a Tasmanian devil just getting after everybody.
Speaker 1:On the field. Because everybody else was so good, he got to be the cool guy.
Speaker 2:He was so calm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, yes, and again that defense was so good that he was going to do whatever the fuck he wanted.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because everybody else will fix it if he fucks up.
Speaker 2:Yep, and they'll kill people at the same time.
Speaker 1:And it worked, yeah, he never tried to kill somebody like that. He would come down for the old hitch, he would get you. But you're talking. James Harris was like fuck you, or the time it was him, ryan Clark and somebody else took Vince Young and body slammed his ass All those guys.
Speaker 2:and Joey Porter was on the same team at the same time. I know it was Joey.
Speaker 1:Porter, that's who. It was. The fucking game where Vince Young is. They're blowing the whistle. They are blowing the whistle profusely and they take. Vince Young is six foot five. They took him and flipped his ass over and slammed him into the ground. All of them got fined yeah, all of them. It was like a 30-yard penalty because they fucking flagged all of them. Oh yeah, Shit was crazy. They were not playing here. They didn't want to play. No, they wanted to hurt somebody.
Speaker 2:They were trying to kill bro.
Speaker 1:They weren't playing football. Everybody was like, oh, football got too soft. And I look back and still be like no, football is just right right now, them niggas were wrong.
Speaker 2:You cannot. There is a reason. You can't do that anymore, and it's probably for everybody. They couldn't do that then they just didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:They weren't allowed to do that when they were playing flag us for it.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, flag us for it. You gonna flag me.
Speaker 1:It's gonna piss me off and I'm gonna kill somebody cause of you it's better off.
Speaker 2:We're not playing that way. No more again.
Speaker 1:It's better off bro, the fucking from like 2011 to 2015. Them niggas were crazy. They should all be incarcerated. They should not have been allowed to put on pads and hit somebody. They should have been out there playing without pads. They probably would have tried to hit somebody harder Just because, oh, I got to put my spotty on the line.
Speaker 2:now I'm more aerodynamic. I got some more speed coming. It was a wild time. I'm glad we got to live through those years where we got to see that type of defense.
Speaker 1:But also we have to maintain it's probably better they don't play that, they don't let players play that anymore. It was like 2014, and the ball was in the air and Adrian was downfield. Ryan Clark, you could see it because they zoomed out. You know somebody's about to get killed when they zoom the fuck out and you could see Ryan Clark fucking, beeline him and the ball comes to Adrian's hammer.
Speaker 2:Cleaned it Because of sins. Like Ryan Clark, mika Fitzpatrick couldn't be nearly the player he wants to be Because he would be headhunting all over the field. He's probably the closest safety I've seen for a while.
Speaker 1:As he is.
Speaker 2:Him and Derwin James too. But they are trying to headhunt and they just get these calls and I'm sitting there like man. It wasn't even that bad. It wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 1:They're like nope, we can't let this go on, we just gotta go ahead and get this out, because if you let that one go, they gonna slide somebody, they gonna add somebody's football career.
Speaker 2:I love Minka but I felt like that all those calls and stuff took maybe took the wind out of his sails over the last couple years to where he doesn't get to be the player he wants to be because he's worried about making the wrong play That'll lead for flags to come, because Mika's smaller than Derwin James. Derwin James is like 6'2" play safety.
Speaker 1:There's hits that he gives to somebody and I'm sitting here looking like that should be a flag and they're like no, it's a legal hit. I'm like it shouldn't be Because you're talking routine tackle, but he is fully shoulder. He is like this Going to somebody's chest coughing. It was last year. He got flagged and then kicked out, but it was a totally legal hit.
Speaker 2:It happened to Mika last year a few times too.
Speaker 1:That's who it was. It was on Cortland Sutton and he hit Cortland Sutton and he rolled around.
Speaker 2:Defensive receiver, but he's not defensive, he's breaking the ball out.
Speaker 1:The ball came over his shoulder and in that moment he probably saw God, because he probably caught it, looked forward and there it is. Oh my God, in that moment you just have to commit to it, fuck, fuck.
Speaker 2:I got home to this football. That's the only thing that matters. He didn't know, he didn't. He got hit and the ball went forward five yards Yep, and that it was a bad hit. But that's the point of the hit is to get the ball out.
Speaker 1:No, fuck that Caleb Dallas be doing that shit too sometimes and they be getting Ohio State for it. Your DB's been coming downhill from five yards away trying to kill somebody.
Speaker 2:Caleb's not that violent. No, he's not the violent of their styles, that motherfucker. Y'all put that big nigga at linebacker yeah.
Speaker 1:Real quick. Him and Kyle Hamilton are very similar sizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because.
Speaker 1:Kyle Hamilton's a little leaner. Yeah, if he still played safety, it'd be a fucking war crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a fucking war crime.
Speaker 2:At least Kyle.
Speaker 1:Hamilton can't tackle worth a damn.
Speaker 2:And he's not a big cover guy.
Speaker 1:No, Sonny Styles is fun. Cover you the enemy. I would be scared.
Speaker 2:That Texas play against Texas in the playoff. He totally got that dude. It was a totally legal hit. He never touched the dude's helmet, but he ended that man's life on the football field.
Speaker 1:Coach, I'm done, I'm retired. Snap that, dude, bro, that was one of the better plays of the season.
Speaker 2:His head flicked. He didn't touch his helmet, that's how you got it was legal.
Speaker 1:That's what made it look so bad. His head flicked because you have all of like 240 pounds running like a four three that's that's.
Speaker 2:The dangerous thing is when they're that big and that's fucking fast, it's wild that's the difference between like guys like james harrison.
Speaker 1:James harrison's not fast, no, he was just a mound of fucking muscle.
Speaker 2:And you were probably lucky most of the time because he was coming from five yards away. But imagine those dudes coming from 20, 15 yards away. That's a good one, oh Cam. Chancellor, the hit he did on Calvin Johnson. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He would hit Calvin Johnson like Calvin Johnson owned him money, and this is why Cam Chancellor only paid six years. Yeah, because he was like fuck my head, I want to make sure you stop playing.
Speaker 2:But again, for a guy like Calvin Johnson, you have to hit him like that or he's not going to feel it Again but you're talking like three guys are hitting Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1:No, Cam Chancellor would go out that motherfucker by himself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question.
Speaker 1:Full speed You're talking. Cam Chancellor was on a 4-4. Our Cam Chancellor was a track star in college.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's insane bro If you are that big and that fast, get your ass over to the linebacker.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is a fucking atrocity.
Speaker 2:you are playing safety Because you get to speed up, bro, you get to go as fast as possible, you get to hit top speed and then hit somebody. Ooh crazy, ooh crazy.
Speaker 1:Wild Like Von Bell. Von Bell was great at that.
Speaker 2:Von Bell was great at that. He couldn't cover with a damn no, he was going to hit you, he was going to hit you, who did he? Do it to. It was Juju, yeah, after he was dancing on a fucking field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he came down field and popped that bitch out.
Speaker 2:He was on the ground.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Von Bell stopped.
Speaker 2:Juju earned that. Juju did earn that.
Speaker 1:The ball was fumbled and Von Bell stopped to look at him.
Speaker 2:Von Bell was on some crazy shit that was like that was like one of the beginnings of the end for Juju, because it was like, hey, you're doing stupid stuff, like dance on people's fields. Like we can't, we can't protect you at that point, anything that happens after that, just like when you, after he hit Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1:Juju stood over his ass Like oh, Vontaze earned that.
Speaker 2:You earn that when you go and dance in somebody's logo.
Speaker 1:Anything that happens after that, it's all you, and they didn't flag him.
Speaker 2:Well, he did it before the game. He did it like what? No, no, no.
Speaker 1:When Juju hit, vontaze Burfeet.
Speaker 2:Oh, he got the flag.
Speaker 1:Or he at least got fined. He didn't get flagged up.
Speaker 2:He didn't get flagged up.
Speaker 1:The rest of us are like yeah, we're going to hold that for you.
Speaker 2:You can have that one. Yeah, when players deserve it, they deserve it. There's nothing we can do to protect you.
Speaker 1:Ones Perfect was so talented.
Speaker 2:He was a monster.
Speaker 1:He would have been great on that Steelers team.
Speaker 2:It was him and Adomikosu are the last two players me talented.
Speaker 1:He was that guy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. And then he still tried to. He was still going to stomp on you. After the play's over, he was like Aaron Rodgers getting stepped on and I'm like, oh, Again he's trying to kill people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they would have been great on the Steelers in 2015. They would have been great 2011, 2012. Again from 2011 to 2015,. They were like that. They would have fit perfect on that team. He would have fit just it. He would have fit perfectly.
Speaker 2:Probably because he wouldn't have all those flags. So it would be like hey, good job, bro.
Speaker 1:Less flags a lot more fines.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the fines from 2011 to 2015 were so high, that's when the rule changes started coming and they were like, oh, we don't want the game to be this violent. So then they started doing on-the-field flags more, and in the game that matters more than a fine on the back end.
Speaker 1:Football is softer, I agree, but it's softer for the better.
Speaker 2:It's for the better. I hate the quarterback stuff that stuff's bullshit. Like the quarterback.
Speaker 1:You can't fall on top of them. You can't.
Speaker 2:They're not even trying. It's to point where the players are actually not trying to land on them and they're still getting. I'm like, what are you so you're supposed to like teleport, supposed to hit them and teleport five yards away, I just don't know how, like they're trying to not put their body weight on them. You're like, oh, they put their body weight on. Like, come on, bro, like physics is like you put your force towards one thing. It's like things are gonna go, but no, it's.
Speaker 2:It is a good reason why they not playing like right now how they used to play 10 years ago. It's a good reason why they not playing right now how they used to play 10 years ago. It's a good reason. There's a good reason for that 12, more like 15 years ago Now, to be totally honest. So there's a good reason why they don't play that way anymore, and I think it's probably better for everybody, because quarterbacks are getting paid Subject absorbent amount of money If they care that much more than you have to go to protect them and protect other offensive players. It's an offensive league now. But yeah, that was a nice little tirade to the end, because that was Headhunters. Was that's something? You can go back and watch YouTube videos of people really getting licks and they're like, oh, this is why football became the number one sport in America.
Speaker 1:I was talking like Wes Welker when he was on the Broncos. Yeah, and the ball that Peyton made him through when he was going down and it was who was that? It was the Redskins, what's his name? He was very, very good, lawrence, no.
Speaker 2:Sean Taylor. Sean Taylor had a couple years before, obviously before he died, but yeah, he had a good year, but it was Sean Taylor that hit him.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was legit. Sean military. This is a Pro Bowl game.
Speaker 2:No, he played like every game was his last Right. He was one of those headhunters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he Wes Welker went stiff, he hit him so hard.
Speaker 2:Can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1:That's the first clip in a lot of those videos. I watch the ones where they show British people the videos and they're like oh, rugby's way harder and they show them the clips like that.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, rugby's way harder, and they show him the clips like that I think I understand now Jordan Maillotta.
Speaker 1:He played rugby. He went home and was like, yeah, I put some of these guys in pads and started hitting them. Yeah, it's not fun, right? He was like those helmets. He was like those pads, like, oh, you're on your chest, don't do shit against a helmet, because at least in rugby they're a little more cautious, because you know.
Speaker 2:No pads. You're like, hey, I have to protect myself and you at the same time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not hitting harder than football. They don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they become cars. They're like hey, I'm a car now, not a person.
Speaker 1:Even though the pads do nothing.
Speaker 2:I'm a bullet, I'm going to add you I'm a bullet, I'm going to. We have about a month before college football starts and then we have about a month and a half until the NFL stuff. So we're going to keep doing this week by week. We're going to keep coming out with episodes and then, once the season starts, we get into it, we'll start doing two a week. So all of that is to say, this is about where we're going to end here.
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