JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Running Back Rankings: Is CMC's Absence Unforgivable?
The football drought is officially over as preseason action kicks into high gear, giving us our first real glimpse at what teams might look like when games actually count.
In this episode, we break down the most intriguing storylines from early preseason matchups, including Trey Lance's surprising performance in the Hall of Fame game. Has the former high draft pick finally turned a corner, or is this just a preseason mirage? We also dissect the Bengals' decision to play their starters, something they rarely do, and what that might mean for their regular season start.
The quarterback carousel continues to spin wildly in Cleveland, where we analyze the complex dynamic between Watson, Daniel Jones, Dylan Gabriel, and Shador Sanders. Is Sanders being artificially buried on the depth chart despite outperforming Gabriel in practice? The Browns' quarterback room exemplifies how organizational politics sometimes trumps on-field performance.
Injuries have already begun to shape the season, with Anthony Richardson's broken pinky and Rashawn Slater's season-ending patellar tendon tear potentially altering their teams' trajectories. Meanwhile, contract disputes like Cam Heyward's "hold-in" and Micah Parsons' increasingly contentious negotiations with Jerry Jones highlight the business side of football that never sleeps.
We wrap with our definitive top 10 running back rankings heading into the season, sparking heated debate about Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Bijan Robinson, and whether Christian McCaffrey deserves consideration after playing just two games last season. The running back position remains a fascinating study in value, durability, and how offensive context shapes perception.
Rate, review, and follow us on Twitter @jbsportspod to join the conversation as we continue our countdown to kickoff!
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Speaker 2:It's football season it literally is football season um the in the college ball season starts in about 22 days, a couple couple weeks, like about just over three weeks away. Three weeks away, technically it's two weeks because Week Zero has games that have to be played. But again, who cares about Week Zero? I think Farm.
Speaker 1:I care my nigga, I play Week Zero.
Speaker 2:No, you don't. Yeah, we do. No, you don't.
Speaker 1:No, you don't. There we go. I can't spell Michigan and I really wish I couldn't.
Speaker 2:I'm looking it up now you play the 29th, your first game of the season. Stop, you play on Friday night against Western Michigan. If you don't be first game of the season, you're going to tweak out.
Speaker 1:we almost lost Central Michigan first week of the season last year. We helped Brea fucking move and I was pissed. That wasn't last year, that was years ago.
Speaker 2:Was it years ago that was two years ago.
Speaker 1:But again legit, I was pissed. We almost lost Central Michigan.
Speaker 2:But you should beat Western Michigan with no problem. Ohio State plays, south State plays on the 30th and we could lose to Texas. But it is what it is on that. But I am very, very excited about everything that's happening. We are knee-deep already into preseason football. I think we had the. What is it called the Shrine Bowl? Not the Shrine Bowl. That's different. What was the game before the Gold Jackets?
Speaker 1:The Hall of Fame Bowl Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 2:That's what it's called the Hall of Fame game. Fame game that's what's called the Hall of Fame game. That's the first preseason game that happens every season. That happened last week. I only remember who the teams were. Nope, it was the Lions and the Chargers. That's who it was. That's kind of something, because Trey Lance actually played very well and I was like, oh, we didn't see that coming from Trey Lance, because you know he's been ass everywhere else he's been. But everybody's like, oh, that's kind of interesting. Maybe he's finally turned a corner, but again he's never gonna get a chance because Jay Herbo's there. So it is what it is on that one.
Speaker 1:I don't know. If Jay Herbo shits the bed again, he may get a chance don't do that.
Speaker 2:Don't do that. Oh, somebody asked a question. I don't know why this is. This came to my brain. Everybody said that if next year goes terribly again for Joe Burrow, and he asks out, he just says screw y'all.
Speaker 2:You all played again with Trey Hendrickson. We have this season, I have another awesome season and we do nothing this season. And he's like hey, even though I love Jamar, all three of them just asked for a trade out. Somebody brought up the idea that maybe the Chargers would be the perfect place because you could do a one-for-one trade. They're making around the same amount of money and he can instantly go to a place where he would have a better coach. I'm not the biggest Harbaugh fan, but again, I think he's a better coach.
Speaker 2:No, they wouldn't want the ball too much, but again you'd have to quarterback where they would have an infrastructure where Joe Burrow would just be the icing on top of a cake.
Speaker 1:they're already building, but again the problem would be his offensive scheme Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. Short throw Run the ball.
Speaker 2:Run the ball you wouldn. He wouldn't be able to do to Joe Burrow what they did to Herbo last year.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:They handicapped the fuck out of him.
Speaker 1:That's why he works on the Bengals of hey, I have control. They could real quick. They could bring in a new coach. That new coach will still have not as much say as Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2:If they were to do that, it would have to be a level on the like. It would have to be one of the top offensive head coaches in the league. It would have to be one of those dudes to even look at joe burrow and say, hey, we need to change how you play but even then it's a joint effort.
Speaker 1:It is not you telling me what to do, they'd be on equal standing in the eyes of bangles fans you know, joe burrow says go, you mean nothing, yeah. So it's just, it would never be a one-to-one trade. We want, want. There's a reason why he was the first hardball pick and you were picked after Tua. It's starting to show no.
Speaker 2:It's starting to show. Don't do that.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I'm just saying it's starting to show.
Speaker 2:Miami would sacrifice hundreds of men and children, women and children, to have Herbo on the team instead of Trey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could watch Herbo boom, that bitch, tyreek Hill, all day long. I hate the Dolphins. It'd be great to watch. That'd be prime time fucking football, because it'd be a laser every single time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question they would have to change their offense. He would only have to throw 15 times again. He'd throw 15 fucking touchdowns.
Speaker 1:It'd be great, it'd be great, but again, it would never be a one-for-one trade.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't be one-for-one, but I'm saying at least for the Bengals side, they'd be getting a quarterback of.
Speaker 1:We would need Lyle McConkie. We would need Derwin James.
Speaker 2:And a couple first-round picks.
Speaker 1:And every first-round pick until the owner. You'd want Derwin James.
Speaker 2:He's getting paid a lot of money.
Speaker 1:What other safeties back there?
Speaker 2:They really don't have a lot.
Speaker 1:I want Derwin James. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:Even at an older age, he's still more helpful than what you got.
Speaker 1:Derwin Battle's good, he's getting better, but he's not Derwin James.
Speaker 2:And Derwin James is more of an in-the-box safety. Now which?
Speaker 1:would definitely help your team in battles somewhere in between.
Speaker 2:No, he's more of a kind of he'll do some coverage if he can. He's a hybrid. Yeah, definitely a lot more of a hybrid guy Like.
Speaker 1:I said he's somewhere in between because he can't tackle with a dam.
Speaker 2:No, he's not much of a tackler, but he can play some press corner. He can. He can do that. I saw some of the clips against Jamar Chase. Like he's just, he's taking longer to develop, and that's fine, but again on a defense that doesn't have a lot of pieces you need some.
Speaker 1:You gotta get a little quicker.
Speaker 2:A little quicker Because you're our starter. Yeah, no question, he's probably the best defensive player already, other than Hendrickson, obviously, who's not playing.
Speaker 1:He's there in regular clothes.
Speaker 2:We have so much cap room still is like you have like 30 million left in cap space. Yeah, yeah it's almost like you have plenty of room it's almost like you could pay a guy that wants to get paid some decent amount of money. Give him exactly what he wants and have everybody be happy.
Speaker 1:They're gonna have like 25 and he's probably looking like no, I want 30, he wants 35.
Speaker 2:He wants 40. He's like I want close to top of the market money.
Speaker 1:And okay, this is why you lose me. You are older than the other guys. You are older than the other guys, top of the market. So we can't give you top of the market money, right, if they're coming at you with like a 32 to a 35.
Speaker 2:If there was some real proof that they said, hey, we want to give you 30, and he's like no.
Speaker 1:So you start to lose me.
Speaker 2:Then I can come to a point where I'm like, okay, maybe Hendrickson can be a little more realistic.
Speaker 1:Yes, the other guys are like two to three years younger than you. Tj Watts is close to you in age and he's still two years younger than you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Also, they've been good there.
Speaker 2:Entire careers. You just started when you got to the Bengals. Do you want to know about a holdout? That's pissing me off. For me, cam Hayward has not practiced fully this whole offseason. Good, because he is looking for another pay raise. When he just got a contract last year, yeah, but now currently he's upset because he the the 28th highest paid defensive tackle in football but at the same time you're 37, 36 years old, giving me nothing. My entire career pay me they just gave him a contract pay me more.
Speaker 1:We're not going to the super bowl. I'm never getting a chip. I deserve more money I.
Speaker 2:I deserve more money that man doesn't have a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:I know, I'm very aware Now if somebody, who everyone can yes, everybody agrees with this. You were second to Aaron Donald your entire career, yes, but you stayed with the shitty organization that does not win Super Bowls and will not win you one. They have done nothing for you your whole career, and you are now at the end of your career and you want to be paid a little bit more because you deserve it.
Speaker 2:He was good last year, but they gave him his contract. They gave him his contract.
Speaker 1:He was the best offensive tackle in the NFL last year. Okay, who was?
Speaker 2:Not in the same league, that old boy? Why am I forgetting his name now? This is a bad time to forget his name. Who?
Speaker 1:does he play for?
Speaker 2:Hold on, I'm getting it.
Speaker 1:Chris Jones.
Speaker 2:Chris Jones yes, Obviously, he exists.
Speaker 1:Or Dexter. Lawrence, dexter Lawrence also exists, because that's who was the best defensive tackle in the league last year was Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 2:I don't know's who was the best defensive tackle in the league last year was Dexter Lawrence, I don't know why I was thinking for the dude from the Eagles as well.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Because by the end of the season he looked like a man that nobody could ever stop, ever again. Quinn Williams exists too, not.
Speaker 1:Jordan Carter.
Speaker 2:No, it's something Carter, no, no, no. Jalen Carter, jalen Carter In the same he looks unstoppable exists too.
Speaker 1:People jordan carter, no, it's uh something carter, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Jalen carter, jalen carter, um in the same. He looks unstoppable, but again jalen carter um. I am 10 years older than these guys for sure putting up similar numbers I I get that, I do, I really do he's in the last years of his contracts.
Speaker 1:The steelers have done nothing for him his entire career he's on the last year.
Speaker 2:We did, we just, they just gave him a three-year contract last year.
Speaker 1:He's in the last years of his NFL career. Okay, fine, yes, you guys have done nothing for me Besides first round exits and second round upsets.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am the last pillar of what your defense was.
Speaker 2:He's the last pillar of the Dick LeBeau defense. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:I 100% agree with him You're going nowhere. But I also.
Speaker 2:Dick LeBeau defense yes, yes, I 100% agree with him. You're going nowhere. But I also. We just drafted your heir apparent for Morgan. Okay, again, this comes down to I love Cam Hayward. I love everything. He's a Buckeye. I love him so much. I could also understand if Pittsburgh looks at him and says, hey, dude, we just gave you a contract last year At a time where we think like, even as great as you have been, they could have easily found a reason to be like, oh, he's too old, why don't we give him a contract for more years, and now you're looking and we still employ your brother, who doesn't do anything on this team.
Speaker 1:I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Y'all drafted him just because he was his brother. We drafted him Out of Michigan State too. He was ass. He had some plays. He makes some plays every once in a while, but he's not a top. We drafted him, we traded for another tight end. He's not ever going to see the field barely ever, other than special teams. We paid your brother, we drafted him, we pay you, we give you a contract, and now you're silently holding in because you're looking for more money after we just gave you a contract last year. Again, this will all come back to what he wants If he just wants a little pay bump three, four, five more million. But if he wants to get paid top defensive tackle money, I could see the Steelers looking at him and saying, suck my dick.
Speaker 1:But if he just wants a little bit more cool.
Speaker 2:For the next year or two. I'll sign that. Okay, fine, I get that. But again, it's all because this is all done so quietly that you're not really sure what's actually wanted and what he's really looking for. So it goes both ways. But at the end of the day, if he's looking for top defense tackle money, then I could totally see them be like nah, he just wants a little pay bump, carrie. Fine, that's, that's cool. I'd give it to him. No, first, I would give it to him too.
Speaker 1:He has no reason not to.
Speaker 2:He has done everything, especially the way he played last year. He's done everything he's supposed to do. He is again, like you said, one of the last pillars of a great defense, that, sorry, of the defense that won a super bowl. He's one of the last pillars of that, even though he wasn't there at that point. He was there the year after. So, like he was, he's one of the last pillars of that. Pay him, if he's what he just wants, a little pay bump. But if not, then it's a little bit more of an irritating situation. But even still, he's handling it the right way. He's not holding out, but he's just he's. Again it's coming out now. Now it's starting to look like it's a problem, so that is a little bit annoying Teams have a lot of problems, ain't it?
Speaker 2:If you're going to say that, I guess it's okay. So apparently, from what I've been reading, aaron Rodgers' DK Metcalf is working the short passes because Aaron Rodgers is one of those that can just sling the football to a spot. Especially with DK Metcalf with his slant routes, with being as big of a body as he is To be able to catch and go on, the run is working out very well. But from what I'm also reading, the explosive passing is not really coming on as of yet One because Aaron Rodgers doesn't like to sit in the pocket. All that great, fine, cool. He hasn't wanted to do that for many years now. He's not a guy to want to sit in the pocket. And that great, fine, cool, he's not. He hasn't wanted to do that for many years now. He's not a guy to want to sit in the pocket, potentially be able to be blown up by a defensive player to get the big plate downfield, okay for sure, fine.
Speaker 2:Also, the offensive line is still trying to prove some things, even though I think the interior of my offensive line is going to be very good this year. The center we picked up from west virginia played very well last year. The guard that we picked up from. Why am I forgetting that school's name? I forget, but he played very well. And we still have Isaac Samalou, who hurt himself, but he won't be back until potentially right before the season starts. He'll be out for a few weeks. So I think the interior of the office will be great.
Speaker 2:But we are working with two tackles, broderick Jones being our left tackle, who again has all the talent in the world but he has not really shown a consistency yet to be able to rely on him as your left tackle, like your stalwart guy. And we were also dealing with just pretty much a rookie on Fitanu, troy Fitanu that we picked up from the draft last year but he got hurt right before the season started, never played it down last year, so he's going to be playing our right tackle spot. So we do have tackles that do have a lot of stuff to prove. So that part I am a little worried about. And if I'm worried about it, aaron Rodgers for surely is because again he'll have to worry about the guys coming after him.
Speaker 2:So I am worried offensive, offensively, but defensively, from everything that I've heard, they've been playing great. Our apache queen is doing awesome, playing very good football right now. Our defensive line is doing a lot of good stuff. Our secondary is playing well. Jay says definitely doesn't want to hear anything about that because again will they be able to guard your more chase no obviously that's a no, but can they do better against the other teams they have to face other than the Bengals?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:I don't see what matters to the Bengals.
Speaker 2:It's not the only team that matters, because we faced you guys twice, but there's still another 16, nope 15 games on the schedule. So, yes, there are some negative things going on with my team right now that I'm not necessarily feeling all that confident about, but I am just hoping that once I see this first preseason oh, not to mention, will Howard went down, he broke a finger in his throwing hand He'll be, out for the next two or three weeks.
Speaker 2:So that's a backup quarterback that I won't be able to see in preseason like I want to. So that's another down, especially with him being a Buckeye and all just winning it coming off a national championship with the Ohio State Buckeyes. I have to mention it because you know it just happened. So we're the reigning national champs. So that's another reason why I don't I'm feeling a little bit negative, but outside of that I am feeling very positive about what's coming in the football season. So, jace, your Bengals did play last night in the preseason game. Joe Burrow had Joe Burrow, jamar Chase, pretty much the starting offense other than T all played for like two drives, I believe, two touchdowns. Give me a general feeling about how you're coming out of that, how you feel about last night.
Speaker 1:Tanner Hudson. I actually do like how he looks. He looks pretty good.
Speaker 2:Tight end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we drafted him.
Speaker 2:Maybe a year or two ago had to have been yes, but you have played Tight ends, gusecki gaseki, noah fan, noah fan, eric.
Speaker 1:No eric, no eric. All's done for the second acl, but you have the other buck guy um sam I think it's sam something right? I don't know. Joe burr likes that answer on.
Speaker 2:You keep going, you keep going.
Speaker 1:I'll look at um, I I don't know. It's hard to gauge those, do you?
Speaker 2:think them playing a little bit in the preseason is good, like that's never happened before. Not only because joe burr has been hurt earlier on in training camp, so it's not really been an option, but even last year, when he was fully healthy, they didn't play in the preseason. Do you think this will lead to a faster start?
Speaker 1:that's what I mean what it's been in past years, which is why they both played. I think it's the goal is to go for a faster start, because Chase Brown played, marius Mims played, ilya Sovis played we had starters that were playing Even on defense.
Speaker 2:Jordan Battle was out there playing Fant Gusecki, hudson McLaughlin. This is like the whole.
Speaker 1:Drew.
Speaker 2:Sample, that's the guy I was thinking of, drew Sample, he's a blocker. He is a blocker. Yes, great blocker, very good, but that's all he does so. Yes, do you think Like? So go back to. Sorry, we got a little distracted. Does it look good?
Speaker 1:I think that the goal is just a fast start. I think it's the goal. The defense on the. I watched some white dude tear up my starting defense. Every one of them niggas was starters. Every one Logan Wilson wasn't out there.
Speaker 2:He wasn't out there, no.
Speaker 1:He was the only person not out there. Jordan Battle was out there. Dj Turner was out there. Dj Turner is coming off an ACL Real quick. He looked just as fast. I was happy to see that. But quick, he looked just as fast. I was happy to see that. But DJ Turner and Jordan Bowie were the only two that were actually covering. They was bad. They was bad. I watched Cam Taylor Britt get burnt by a dude. I had never heard of Legit. He does a quick in route and Cam Taylor Britt crumples and I'm like, oh, that's my starting DB.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I watched DJ Turner bat down some balls. I don't know who the fuck. This white dude back there was for the Eagles, but Jalen Hurts need to be aware, because that nigga's come for his job.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, the quarterback Bro was slinging the football.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sitting here looking and was slinging the football. Yeah, I'm sitting here looking. And then they brought Kyle McCord out. I was like, oh cool, cool, I'm cool. They really replaced Kenny Pickett with Kenny Pickett. Just so you know, kyle McCord is just Kenny Pickett, he's bigger.
Speaker 2:He can actually boom the football down the field. That's like his best skill set is that he can throw the football Down the field Doesn't mean that's like his Best skill set Is that he can Throw the football Down the field.
Speaker 1:But you're right, tanner.
Speaker 2:McKee, tanner McKee yeah.
Speaker 1:Two Twenty for Twenty five. Twenty five, two hundred Fifty two yards, two tutties.
Speaker 2:Again. It's not like he hasn't shown this before. He did play in like that week 18 game last year with them and I think he had a game-winning drive in that game.
Speaker 1:He did For the Eagles and I watched DTR come out and I was like, oh fuck, Nah, Not worth it.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about Shamar Stewart?
Speaker 1:That nigga's ass.
Speaker 2:He's going to be very good against the run.
Speaker 1:Again, that's not what he's being brought there to do. I get a linebacker who does the same shit. If you just need a body, y'all could have picked up a free agent linebacker and threw his ass out there. If y'all wasted a first round pick just to watch him get stuffed by a right tackle. Who's the third stringer? He played the whole game. Just so everyone knows, he played the entire preseason game. He has no stats. He has not one stat in the stat column.
Speaker 2:He had a couple tackles for loss. I swear he did. Now I have to check it too. Defense it's going to be what night? What's his number?
Speaker 1:97.
Speaker 2:97. Am I not seeing his number pop up in the stats? He at least had a tackle. Shamar Stewart, he had one total tackle and one CF, a tackle, yeah and one TFL. So just literally one tackle. That's it. So that's the one play I did see of him like getting that tackle on that running back. So nothing else.
Speaker 1:Okay, there's a nigga PJ, jules no fucking clue who he is. Had six tackles. I don't know. Shaka Hayward had six tackles and one for loss. I can't say this. Motherfucker's name Starts with an A, ends with an N. He had five tackles. What the fuck is your name? I need to put this into Google. Starts with an.
Speaker 2:A an a m say that name um, I am uh in jogmeta, I don't know it's. It's a very african name but he went to wisconsin.
Speaker 1:That's our homeland right there. He's from our home there, there's no. He went to wisconsin, bro college.
Speaker 2:Wisconsin, hey um, he had six tackles um so a lot of dudes did a lot more than him.
Speaker 1:For sure, I don't know I'm sorry, I thought this was an offense category. Taj brooks my running back that we drafted had three tackles. He had to have been on a kick return he still had three tackles.
Speaker 2:He had to have been on a kick return. He still had three tackles.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong.
Speaker 2:He did more. No, you're not wrong. Again, this is a continuation of what Shemar Stewart did at Texas A&M. He played a lot of games at Texas A&M without much of an impact, at least when it comes to stat-wise. Again, I don't. I'm not going to sit here and be negative with you because he has physical tools. Again, can we rely on the Bengals coaching staff to develop?
Speaker 1:him into being that guy.
Speaker 2:Honda McCord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he won for five, eight yards in one INT.
Speaker 2:That sucks.
Speaker 1:That's about accurate.
Speaker 2:DTR is there now. That's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you need a replacement forTR is there now. That's funny.
Speaker 2:If you need a replacement for Jalen Hurts, he's perfect. Yeah, but Tanner McKee is probably the backup for that team.
Speaker 1:Real quick he was talking about. Oh, I should be a 75 overall in Madden.
Speaker 2:I believe it. Yeah, no, that game last night, but again he's playing against a bunch of backups.
Speaker 1:They're backups on the Bengals. They're basically nobodies. They're not even practice squad guys. If you can't start on the Bengals defense, you have a problem yeah.
Speaker 2:Riding pile on that team is a detriment.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine being a practice squad DB for the Bengals their?
Speaker 2:ass. What am I doing here? Hang it up.
Speaker 1:Walmart has applications, hang it up. Walmart has applications. Hang it up. You gotta hang it up. You are not good enough to play. There is no nfl team that you can play for if you are a practice squad db.
Speaker 2:So ask lefeu what am I doing here on the? What am I doing?
Speaker 1:wrong. If I'm a backup, I'm sitting there I can't get some PT. I'm like this bro, what the fuck I just watched. He just gave up three touchdowns. Why am I still not in the game? Am I that ass? Can I not get a shot? I'm questioning my existence. I can do that. I can give up a touchdown. Come on, dude, did you guys play tonight? We do the Browns also. Do, dude, did you guys?
Speaker 2:play tonight? We do. Yeah, we did play tonight, the Browns also do.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna watch, probably the Browns I wanna see. I was gonna get to the other games.
Speaker 2:That happened last night. But if you wanna get to that, the Browns, they're really not. That the Richardson thing was probably the only big thing, cause he injured his pinky. Did you see how his pinky was all crazy On his throwing hand too, cause you can't get over that I was watching on the NFL Network and they were like, yeah, he had four fingers facing south and one facing north.
Speaker 1:I was like damn, y'all don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2:It was so bad.
Speaker 1:Legit. All his fingers were like this. It's not as bad as one dude. You know who I'm talking about, You're talking about the former player. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the guy that played at LSU.
Speaker 1:Oh, the one tight end. The tight end. He's Spanish, or just weirdly light-skinned, I don't know. I think he plays for the Chiefs. He was very, very good. He played for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2:Anthony Gonzalez.
Speaker 1:No, maybe Tony Gonzalez.
Speaker 2:Tony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez, yes, you've seen his hand. No, never seen his hand. No, do I want to? Yeah, I was thinking of Booger McFarlane, because his hand is pretty bad. I got you, we'll do hand for hand. Booger McFarlane Fingers Yep, I wonder who will be more disgusted.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of somebody else. Let me see Booker McFarland. Oh no, it's somebody else.
Speaker 2:He got some alien looking hands, the way his fingers be looking, bro, yeah, like, look at that. You get that view of his hand on TV. You're looking like what happened. Your knuckles on top.
Speaker 1:You're ready to break your shit and read it your knuckles on top your shit they had. When you close your head, your pinky like that. It folds up for you Like a lawn chair. It's so bad. Sue the doctor that fixed your hand.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't Tony Gonzalez.
Speaker 1:No, I can't remember who it is now Dang. He was light-skinned, that's all I can remember.
Speaker 2:I got nothing on this one bud. But Richardson, that was the pinky on his throwing hand. So obviously, if you've ever thrown a football before, you can't throw a football with only four fingers Well, three fingers and a thumb so you need your pinky. So now he's going to be out for a decent amount of time with the broken finger. But the bigger thing was on that play that he broke his pinky on, there was a free rusher coming his way and that was supposed to be his job to make sure it didn't happen.
Speaker 2:This isn't the right guy but this is Ooh bad, not good, and then David Morrison is one of the guys I was thinking of. Those are alien hands right there.
Speaker 1:They're soccer goalkeepers.
Speaker 2:Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, I was thinking of David Morrison, one of the guys, people are rocketing Soccer balls. You gotta block them Like this and your fingers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, nope, just a thought Made me. Oh, my god, no yeah.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was watching A documentary about David Morrison Because he was A really good goalie. It was on TV and I was like fuck it. And he was like yeah, when I broke my pinky and you saw it, it was like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 1:He was like what my coach did is he took my pinky and ring finger and taped it together. He was like and then, in that same game, I proceeded to break my ring finger. He was like so what my coach did is he just taped all my fingers together.
Speaker 2:He. So I was walking around with a mitt instead of a goalkeeper. I was like dang. I guess technically all you need is for your hands to be good enough to block he was like the game came down to penalties and I blocked nine of their ten penalties and when I took my glove off I was just bleeding.
Speaker 1:He was like I went to surgery and they fixed it. He was like and I played in the next game and I was like what the fuck is wrong with you guys Wild? I was like what the fuck is wrong with you guys Wild people Soccer ain't that deep.
Speaker 2:I'm fucking out of here Shouldn't be what it is, I guess.
Speaker 1:I don't know Soccer's gay, I don't care, I hate soccer.
Speaker 2:So fucking much. How are you giving players credit but then downing them in the same sentence?
Speaker 1:Playing goalie is on par with being a batter in baseball. That shit is being rocketed at you and you have to guess where it's going. Yeah, that's one of those positions in a sport where I'm like that's definitely the hardest-fucking position on the field. By bar none Like your only job is to block kicks yeah.
Speaker 2:That are coming at you and you don't know where they're going to go. You have no clue.
Speaker 1:You have to guess it's like being a goalie from one of my friends. He was like it's like playing DB. In football, there is never A number one goalie Every year.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was like it changes so frequently. He was like that's what I was. David Morrison was that guy Of. He was the best goalie His entire career and he was talking. He was like that's why my hands Look like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, but that was, I guess. Being a hockey goalie probably sucks too, because you're getting a rock.
Speaker 1:That shit's even faster You're getting a rock slung at you and I think it's coming 200, 150 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:That puck is a straight up rock and it's that fucking big and you have to block it or catch it.
Speaker 1:They give you a lot of pads but that it still hurts and you have to use your body Like you get gloves and stuff but like, but that's another one of those positions that's probably really, really hard.
Speaker 2:You do one wrong thing get you in the neck, you're dead. You're dead, Literally dead, Broken neck. It's over, Over, over. Sorry, we keep going off the reservation.
Speaker 2:Richardson, Daniel Jones, made a perfect decision going there because not only is Richardson not that much better than him I totally believe that, because I think they're both kind of ass together. But I think the other reason Daniel Jones took a chance by going there is because hey, even if I don't win the job, Richardson's gonna get hurt or do something stupid very quickly and I'm gonna have an opportunity to play anyway. And it's literally worked in the first preseason game. Because Richardson doesn't know that there's going to be a free fire blitzer coming his way from the right side and he's not even looking over that way to potentially throw a hot route.
Speaker 2:I don't know. He's been in the league for three years and he had those problems coming out of college and he's not accurate. The only things he has on his side is he looks like Cam Newton can throw the football 100 yards if he wanted to and he just looks like a physical specimen. But if he can't figure out the actual harder parts of playing quarterback, he'll never be able to be that guy. And there's no ifs, ands or buts about it and they draft him with the fifth overall. Goddamn pick.
Speaker 2:Fourth, fourth, sorry, I knew he was a top five pick. Jay's like there the fifth overall. Goddamn pick.
Speaker 1:fourth sorry, I knew he was a top five pick, jace.
Speaker 2:Like there's no way he was a top five pick, like yeah, he was sworn. He was like 11. Nah, bro, awful and he's been awful, so like he's gonna get every opportunity, as long as they're paying him for like the next year or so, because they'll have to give him a fifth year. They'll have to decide whether they're gonna give him the fifth year option or not. They're probably not gonna do that, but he's been ass. Daniel jones has been. Not, they're probably not going to do that, but he's been asked. Daniel Jones has been asked and they're probably going to be one of the worst teams in the NFL next year because of how bad their quarterback situation is going to be.
Speaker 1:If he waits one more year, the Browns will pick him up. They'll pick up anybody at this point.
Speaker 2:Real quick.
Speaker 1:I want to know how the fuck their preseason is about to be and who is playing the game. Am I about to open up Google and see seven different quarterbacks all play?
Speaker 2:We're going to get to that right now We'll do it. So quarterbacks on their roster right now. Okay, they have, you know, the sexual assault king. Like I already said, they have the 40-year-old, obviously, in Joe Fluco. They have Shador, they have. What? Am I forgetting the other rookie's name?
Speaker 1:Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 2:Dylan Gabriel, the short one, and they have Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1:Say his name right Super Bowl winner Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2:I can't believe he has a goddamn Super Bowl ring. Is it funny to?
Speaker 1:think two people on that roster have a Super Bowl Makes me sick.
Speaker 2:Two people on that roster. Have a Super Bowl Makes me sick.
Speaker 1:Two people on that roster have a Super Bowl. It's Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2:At least Joe Flacco earned his. He did. He was good for a little bit. Kenny Pickett rode the pine and got one. That's insane. It's insane. And now they have Snoop Huntley because they just signed to their team, to their team, after they kick us with both Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel had hamstring injuries. So they're not going to be playing in this game. So like, hey, we need another guy, and obviously the Joe Flucco, the 40 something year old, doesn't need to play as a starter.
Speaker 2:So, like they, they plan on him being the number one starter going into the year. So they're like oh, we're going to pick up Snoop Huntley. Here's what's funny Deshaun Watson's going to want to play at some point. He's going to be like hey, I'm healthy now.
Speaker 2:I want to play and they're either going to have to make a decision to either put him on to the active roster or they're going to have to decide. Hey, I know we're paying you over $100 million in guaranteed money over the next three years, but we're going to let you go and let you try to go somewhere else for free, because if he was let go right now, who in the hell would ghost would sign him? Deshaun watson is a pariah like nobody wants to be near him and he's shown himself to be total ass. I just don't understand. Like again, I guess the brown.
Speaker 1:I guess yeah, yeah, yeah he's done after his contract with the browns over you would think so right, he hasn't shown any promise he's done in red zero.
Speaker 2:at least he's fucking rich, At least he's buku rich at this point. But okay, so now going into this. He was so good. There was one point where it was.
Speaker 1:It was him and Mahomes.
Speaker 2:That playoff game where Mahomes had his coming out party, where the Texans got like a 20something point lead and the. Holmes and the Chiefs came back and they roared back and won that game Awesome game. But there was a time where Watson looked like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1:There was a time where Watson was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL I can't even say looked like, because it was him and Mahomes competing for that MVP, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not wrong, he was. Yeah, foul, things changed. I was like that was like four or five years ago now. I think it might have been longer than that. I don't know. Bro, time flows weird. I just realized my nephew got me six wild, right crazy, but yeah.
Speaker 2:So now they're going into this game today. This might be one of the most the most watched preseason games in a while, because I'm I'm curious like is shador really that trash or y'all just fucking around?
Speaker 2:there's been reports that he has looked awful and he hasn't looked good enough and then there's also reports where he has not that bad and he looks fine and I'm like can the browns reporter slash the browns themselves, get their shit together and put out equals, like some type of messaging that's similar he is the one rookie where everything is mixed and I'm like I don't, I don't get it okay.
Speaker 2:So when he got drafted, it was a whole thing where like because obviously the way that all went, they took gabriel in the third round, they end up taking shador in the fifth round, and what everybody went with was the fact that the coaching staff like gabriel, fine, okay, cool, I didn't. That it makes sense to me because I'm like he's super short and he's like not, he doesn't, he's not NFL guy. But when they picked up Shador in the fifth round, that reeked of the owner being like hey, he's still sitting here, I want him. So if that is what we're going to go with, by thinking that, like this terrible organization, they don't know how to do everything together like they're supposed to but now, with how things are going, if gabriel is playing like garbage, which is what everybody's saying everybody's saying gabriel's look like garbage this whole training camp and he's still sitting there and he's still ahead of shador.
Speaker 2:Shador was a four-string quarterback when they did their first release of the depth chart and now Shador has a chance to now start because of the injuries that are ahead of him. Do you think the coaching staff really doesn't want Shador? They really want to be right, so bad that they're going to keep Shador down the depth chart, even if he deserves to probably be the third or second string guy. Or is he playing that terribly? I just don't, I don't know, I, I don't, I don't. I could totally believe shador is being just fine, which?
Speaker 1:is what I think. Okay, everything I've watched, because I started what I was like. It was, uh, about a week ago now. I was at work, I finished up my last couple days and I was watching on tiktok everyone's like, everyone's like. Hey, I've been at footage. He doesn't look bad at all. So I really started watching Because he was playing with the threes for a while.
Speaker 1:He was fucking torching the threes, he was killing them and then he started playing with the twos and there was a little more struggles, but he was still making plenty of plays and I sat there looking. I was like he looks fine, looks perfectly okay, looks like he'd be good enough to be the second string guy. Because then I watched Gabriel play and I'm like this nigga sucks Trash.
Speaker 2:He's small, he's overthrowing.
Speaker 1:He's underthrowing, he's just missing them, and I'm like Trudeau's not doing that. He's hitting the road as much as we talk about that, about freaking Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2:Russell Wilson's shorter than Kyler. Is he really? I think they were on the same high. They were both around 5'10". Dylan Gabriel's shorter than that. He's like 5'9". So with those problems being with those guys, and they've managed to survive. But Gabriel's not nearly as talented as those guys were coming out of college or what they were in the NFL. So the fact that he's playing like ass I'm not surprised by. But how in the hell is he still above Shador Sanders in the depth chart? I don't know, and I'm not a Shador Sanders believer by any means.
Speaker 1:No, I think he's okay.
Speaker 2:I think he's fine, but people are like, oh, he tore it up in college. I'm like he was playing in the goddamn Big 12. The Big 12 doesn't know good defense at all. They don't fucking know about anything good defense. It was Utah and that's it. That's Utah. Utah's the only team that knows about playing defense.
Speaker 1:Outside of them. That's it. They're usually the best in the conference every year because they know how to play some defense.
Speaker 2:So don't fucking come tell me that Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter tore it up in college. I'm like they fucking played in the Big 12. That's fucking easy. There is no DBs in the big 12 that are really worth their salt and there are fucking no defense being played. So I'm just like I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm not the biggest shador sanders believer, but he's not bad enough to be the fourth string quarterback on their roster I don't know either, by no means, speaking of colorado, have you ever, have you seen that there are other receivers that have gotten drafted?
Speaker 2:I've known pretty great yeah, the um I'm afraid the one guy's in went to the.
Speaker 1:Panthers yes, really, really fast one. Yeah, he's been doing well. You see the Ravens also have one of them, do they their part returner? Oh, interesting, he got like a 30-yard part return oh yeah, Then he took one to the house. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, everybody's like oh, you never really saw him because it's a Travis Hunter show, right.
Speaker 2:I'm not. I'm seeing them. They're not that bad. Again, that was one of the highlights of that football team last year is that they had decent receivers. Again, I get it. You can have guys come in when you have Shador. We're going for the football a lot. We don't run the football, we're allergic to that. So I can understand them having some decent guys playing wide receiver and then they can come to the NFL and actually do some things for sure. So let me ask you this question let's have a more civilized, civilized. What do you think is the best case scenario for shador, like, what do you think is what do you think he comes out of this game with?
Speaker 1:if he can just come out with this stat line, he will be fine like 200, like 60 because they're saying he'll play about a half football, he He'll play about halfway through the football game, you've got to have at least 200 yards and a 60% completion percentage.
Speaker 2:And at least a touchdown no INTs.
Speaker 1:You throw an INT, you are fucked.
Speaker 2:I don't think an INT is all that bad if he's trying to put it in a spot, because again, everybody does that. Cj Stroud, his first year, his first game against the Patriots. He had that very bad interception where he was trying to fit in the spot. He thought he could fit in and he couldn't and it didn't work out well. But we all saw how the rest of his season went. But he was just trying to be aggressive. Being aggressive in an NFL game is not bad, especially in the preseason.
Speaker 1:Being aggressive in an NFL game, but if you're being safe.
Speaker 2:Hold on safe, hold on being aggressive. In nfl game. You were the second overall pick.
Speaker 1:You were the guy yeah, compared to you are a fifth rounder. True, you are a cut and a goodbye that the coaching staff really didn't want in the first place. They don't want you here. You can't throw an interception, you cannot. You can give, you have zero room to let it at all right you can't let them believe.
Speaker 1:you are not good enough at all. Right, because again, you are a fifth round pick. You are not good enough at all. Right, because again you are a fifth-round pick. You are not guaranteed to make the team True. He can't throw an interception. He has to be perfect. There is no exception. You have to be perfect Now. Browns fans want you. They really want you. Browns fans do not want Dylan Gabriel. Browns fans do not want Watson. They're okay with Flucco, but again, it's fun. It's fun football.
Speaker 2:He's 40 years old, they understand he's a short-term answer.
Speaker 1:They don't want Watson, they don't want Pickett, they don't want Gabriel, they want you Right and unfortunately, if you're the Browns, you're going to have to submit to it at some point. And if, let's say, flucco's taking up a game and everybody else is still a little injured, they're going to start chanting your name.
Speaker 2:Shador is going to have to at least show that he can tread water in an NFL game.
Speaker 1:Give some flashes and, if you see, a deep ball boom it yeah. Show the fans around you because they're at home.
Speaker 2:Show them around you. There is something to be hopeful for.
Speaker 1:That there's something to look for, because if fans start chanting for you, they're going to get it.
Speaker 2:That's just what it is, and not only that, if he can just show the owner that there is some type of promise because again he's the reason you got drafted in the first place to the Browns, because the coaching staff did not want you. So if you can show there's a little bit of promise and keep yourself on the team, just keep setting yourself to be in that spot where you're able to be that guy if the time comes, that's it. If, If the time comes, that's it.
Speaker 1:If you guys continue let's say you guys have switched quarterbacks and you're on like Pickett or Gabriel and you're continuously losing games at some point the Browns owner is going to be the owner and put his foot down of hey, I want Sanders.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Give me Sanders in the next game.
Speaker 2:Give him something. Give him a reason to do it.
Speaker 1:Give him a reason. That's all you can do, so I'm all.
Speaker 2:All right. So that's all the preseason games that were happening. That's already happening. We talked about the Shador Sanders thing, but outside of that there's really not a ton of things to talk about. When it comes to preseason ball, I'll put the games on, if I can watch them, just kind of have them on the background. I'll watch the Steelers a little bit. Obviously I'll probably put one on today, but there's not a ton of stuff to talk about and then we'll get to.
Speaker 2:If you want to do the top 100 thing, we can. If you want to, no, not really. And then I have my top running backs and top DBs. I have running backs, not DBs. You want to do running backs today, then yeah, Okay, we'll just do our top running backs today. Running backs is very easy. It is very easy. It's very cut and dry list, even though I have a feeling he'll be mad at me about something. Who knows? Alright, so we already talked about the Richardson injury. Chargers, slater, rashawn Slater. We talked about him on the last pod. We gave the Chargers a lot of credit for waiting to sign him until after he had his divorce. Hey bro, real ones, real ones.
Speaker 1:Y'all are the best.
Speaker 2:But they have not been rewarded for being the real ones, because he goes and tears his patellar tendon and he's going to be out for the whole year. So now they're going to be without their left tackle. Yeah, real quick. I feel like the.
Speaker 1:Chargers every year have to make some type of sacrifice of one of their starters.
Speaker 2:Every year, man, every year they have one guy who's very impactful.
Speaker 1:He's just out for the year every single time, yeah, and it's always right before the season starts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no question. But think about it. They want to run the football, Also for their ACL.
Speaker 1:Somebody else important for their ACL this year.
Speaker 2:Texas CJ.
Speaker 1:Gardner's Johnson ACL out for the year.
Speaker 2:Oh did he.
Speaker 1:He was caught off the field during practice. Oh Johnson, ACL out for the year. Oh, did he. He was caught off the field during practice. Oh damn, that sucks. We were talking about him and he was in my DB list, and then I proceeded to have to take him out of the DB list. You can't go in if you're not playing. But, yeah, he tore his ACL.
Speaker 2:That sucks, that sucks. But yeah, they want to run the football. They're trying to throw the football more. They draft a couple wide receivers to try to help out and if they can't keep old boy Jay Herbo protected, it's going to be a lot harder for them to do that, Especially when everybody thinks the Chargers are going to be a great team this year and I'm like what in the hell about last year? Told you that was going to be the case? I don't understand. They're still playing in the same division as the Chiefs. You playing in the same division as the Chiefs. You still haven't seen anything from them in the playoffs that shows you they're going to be ready for that moment. So losing their left tackle is definitely going to be a big deal for them. We didn't mention the Ravens corner that broke his leg in the most gruesome way.
Speaker 1:I don't know his name.
Speaker 2:It is Bilal Cohn. Yes, bilal Cohn, weird name, but fine. He broke his leg in the most gruesome way, if you want to go watch it, you can. Not as bad as that, but it was pretty damn close.
Speaker 1:It was pretty bad.
Speaker 2:It was still attached. It was, but it was just going, the totally wrong way.
Speaker 1:I was watching a clip and you see his teammate run up and go.
Speaker 2:I felt like he didn't even notice it at first and he finally noticed he went down to pick him up and then noticed it.
Speaker 1:That's bad. That's bad.
Speaker 2:So bad. It was a very gruesome looking injury for sure. Not as bad as the wide receiver from the Texans as well. His was worse too.
Speaker 1:Oh Tank Dell.
Speaker 2:Tank Dell's was much worse than that, didn't even watch it, because it was that bad. It was really bad. I watched it a long time ago, or Hutchinson didn't see it.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to see it. Nick Chubb, the one I saw that bitch live, oh my God, saw his whole. I saw his whole career end right there.
Speaker 2:So bad, so bad.
Speaker 1:It was bad.
Speaker 2:He's done man, so he doesn't have nearly the same burst that he once had throughout his NFL career. Hopefully he can still do decently well with the.
Speaker 1:Texans. But now if this nigga come out like Adrian Peterson, he's not human. I'm sorry. If he comes out Russian like he was before he got injured, I'm going to tweak, Not fair was before he got injured.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tweak, not fair. And michael parsons apparently has a back issue and he won't play in he's again they're. He's looking for a contract. This whole thing back and forth, him and jerry jones is absolutely insane, because I was believing at first that jerry jones was playing this, like he was just trying to, you know, play it up. He's gonna pay him, but he just wants everybody to talk about the cowboys for the next three weeks before the season starts. But Jerry Jones was saying some fucked up shit and I think Micah Parsons might actually be done with this whole situation. So I think, even if, shit, you want me to bangle.
Speaker 1:I'll take some pass rush win rate over here.
Speaker 2:Guess what.
Speaker 1:Huh, we'd have to pay him.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to pay him. You're not going to pay him, you're gonna have to pay it.
Speaker 1:You're not gonna pay, but again, I'll take that pass for us win rate all day. Gee, I'll take it. You can't stop the run anyway. Fuck it now. Chamar stewart has a use. True, I think it'd be perfect it gives.
Speaker 2:It makes chamar stewart so useful? It would, it for sure would. But back issue this is going to be a back and forth for the next three weeks. I have no doubt about it. But again, I'm not a big Micah Parsons fan, but I do think what Jerry Jones is saying about Micah Parsons is very disrespectful for what Micah Parsons has been Without him. Their defense is absolute fucking ass. So the fact that he is that important, it sucks. I think Jerry Jones is kind of off his rocker as well. He's in his upper 80s. There's no way he should be in front of a camera every fucking day. He shouldn't be. There's no reason, but nobody's going to tell him no. So it is what it is on that. But I don't know. It's just a very bad situation all around and that's about it for all the NFL stories that I got. So let's go ahead and go on to our running back rankings. Okay, would you like to go first, or do you want me to go? I'll go first 10 to 1?
Speaker 2:We'll do 10 to 5. 10 to 6.
Speaker 1:Sorry 10 to 6. Alright, I have James Cook at 10. Bucky Irving at 9. Aaron Jones at 8. I have Jonathan Taylor at 7. Aaron jones at eight uh, I have jonathan taylor at seven. He had 490 yards, uh. And then karen williams at six whoa, our lists are very different.
Speaker 2:I got joe mixing at 10 okay again. He was in front of a very bad offensive line last year, but I think when it comes to what he can do, both running and catching the ball out of the backfield he's practically another receiver out there.
Speaker 1:I think he's a very how many yards do you have out of the? Backfield Joe.
Speaker 2:His stats. Last year he had let me go to pro football reference because I know theirs are going to be right he had two. He had a thousand yards rushing, 11 touchdowns and let's see 2024 receiving. He had 309 yards receiving, 36. He had 309 yards receiving, 36 receptions, 309 yards receiving and a touchdown as well.
Speaker 1:James Cook had 32 receptions 258 yards. Receiving two touchdowns receptions. Bucky Irving had 392 receiving yards with no receiving touchdowns.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about Bucky Irving.
Speaker 1:I have Bucky Irving, aaron Jones had 408 receiving yards, two receiving touchdowns Well, I'm not talking about Bucky Irving, I have Bucky Irving. Aaron Jones had 408 receiving yards to receiving touchdowns. Jonathan Taylor had 136 receiving yards. That's not really what he does. Kyron Williams had 182 receiving yards to receiving touchdowns. All these guys do that.
Speaker 2:I just think Joe Mixon was a part of an especially bad offensive line play situation.
Speaker 1:I think all the guys on my list rushed better than Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2:Maybe I have Kyron Williams at nine. Yeah, that's cool. I have McCaffrey at eight. No Again, no.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm going to respect the man, all right.
Speaker 1:How many yards did he?
Speaker 2:have last year, maybe 100. Yeah, 202. Yeah, because he played in two games last year.
Speaker 1:How is he on the list?
Speaker 2:if he didn't play. I want to give the man respect, because let's just paint this picture If he gets hurt by week three.
Speaker 1:I want you giving me fellatio on my couch. I do that for free. No, I can't. I can't have CMC on the list. I can't 30 seconds.
Speaker 2:If Christian McCaffrey gets back to 80% of what he was 80% I'm not talking full 100, where he was winning potentially MVP winner and doing everything he was doing If he gets back to 80% of what he was, he will be a top five running back again. That's how good Christian McCaffrey was at his best. I get it. He was very injured last year. He played in two games, got injured again, but from everything people are talking about, he's awesome in camp right now 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:That's 30 seconds. Your time's up. Don't give a fuck. I don't give a fucking fuck.
Speaker 2:What I just said makes sense.
Speaker 1:What I just said makes sense.
Speaker 2:What I just said makes sense though Look at my face, I get it no knees Arthritis.
Speaker 1:He's already older. Fuck out of my face.
Speaker 2:Josh Jacobs at seven. Another guy, jace hates, but you can't deny Josh Jacobs, he just keeps producing. Can't deny Josh Jacobs, he just keeps producing. Tell me, is Josh Jacobs that I got you? Let's do this right now. Josh Jacobs, I got you. Ah, ob, I swear I can type Josh Jacobs. Jacobs had last year 1300 yards rushing in 15 touchdowns, and then he also had 36 receptions, 342 yards in another touchdown. You didn't have josh j, josh Jacobs in your top ten, did you? No See, at least we both have our problems with guys we have Fuck Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 2:I have Bucky Irving at six. Okay, you're not mad about Bucky Irving, no, I have.
Speaker 1:Top five Go ahead. I have Joe Mixon at four. I'm not arguing about Joe Mixon. I agree with you about Joe Mixon, his O-line's ass Cause.
Speaker 2:I know what Joe Mixon is.
Speaker 1:He was Last year the Bengals O-line His last year. He played for him Far fucking better Than the Texans O-line Ever.
Speaker 2:His last year With the Bengals.
Speaker 1:He had like 1,200 yards and a shit ton of receiving yards. That's the thing, you're right. He does receive better than most running backs, besides fucking Jameer Gibbs, yeah.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I agree with you. They all receive, so it's not exactly I don't give him a huge boost because of it, but I think, hey, all of you have really good lines and he rushes way better than most of you.
Speaker 2:I think Mixon can actually run routes as a receiver in a way that a lot of these running backs can't?
Speaker 1:I know he can. I've watched him do it for eight years. I know he can do it. I have Bijan at four, four, four. Okay. I have Jameer Gibbs at three.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I have Derrick Henry at two.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then Shaquille Hatton this number one. Our top five is very similar. I have James Conner at five. Would you like to hear James Conner's stats? Not really. There's a reason why this.
Speaker 1:I know you've lost me on this one, bro. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had over a thousand yards last year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Eight touchdowns yeah he had 47 receptions, 414 yards, another touchdown. So not a lot of touchdowns, but he gives, he does a lot of both rushing and receiving, and he played. He's missing he's.
Speaker 1:He played 16 games okay and is he most inconsistent, year in, year out. Motherfucker in the world, he will not be this good again. Legit the year before he was trash.
Speaker 2:James Conner might be the one that might be a little too high.
Speaker 1:Again, I don't disagree when he's on it.
Speaker 2:there's not a lot of guys that look better than him, I know but there's so often he's not.
Speaker 1:He got a contract from the Cardinals by being on his last year with the Steelers yeah, you're not wrong and then the year he got to the Cardinals, he was shit and he was good this past year.
Speaker 2:Okay, Bucky Irving is better. I have Bucky Irving. I'm going to switch those two. No, James Conner should be out. That's bad. That's on me.
Speaker 1:I just can't put him up there because he's so inconsistent year in, you're out. Last year he was good, but year four he was bad.
Speaker 2:Okay, Year four he was good and year four he was bad, james Conner's out, I don't know how, because, again, his last year was not as great as I thought it was. And then Joe Mixon now becomes nine and I will throw in. Why am I forgetting running back from the Bills, james Cook, you left James Cook out. I left James Cook out. That, james Cook. You left James Cook out. I left James Cook out. That's on me, james Cook at 10. There you go.
Speaker 1:That's where I had James Cook. He's also holding out, by the way.
Speaker 2:He is, he deserves his money. I'm the only off-the-piece you have. That's consistent.
Speaker 1:They really have nobody else, if it's not somebody named Josh Allen. No one else that's consistent is me, except Sam Laporta, the other tight end what's his name?
Speaker 2:His name is no, I had it I literally just had his name.
Speaker 1:It's. All I could think of is Luke Kennard, and I'm like that's not it.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, don Kincaid.
Speaker 1:Don Kincaid.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 1:He's really good, luke Kennard kept coming to my mind.
Speaker 2:He was hurt last year, though he's really good. Luke Canaro kept coming to my mind. He was hurt last year, though that was the only issue, but even though he was still good. But wide receiver-wise they really have nobody outside of the one small guy.
Speaker 1:Cole Beasley.
Speaker 2:No, cole Beasley's the white guy that they had before, but no, they have this different guy. It was. He's a small guy. Wide receiver, it's freaking. Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's good sometimes.
Speaker 2:He's just very productive, but outside of that they really have anybody else wide receiver-wise. So, like other than your favorite, receiver Reach it was a reach.
Speaker 1:Drafted in a bowl it was a reach.
Speaker 2:But yeah. So James Cook is now in the top ten. For me he's at number ten, all right. So I had Buck Irving at five, now Jameer Gibbs at four, I have Bijan at three, I have Derek Henry at two and Saquon at one.
Speaker 1:You didn't say Jameer Gibbs.
Speaker 2:I did say Jameer Gibbs at four.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, let I did say Jameer Gibbs at four.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, let's speak out for a second. Again. We have all the same guys. I gave Bijan the little bit of a bump because Bijan is the number one. There is no secondary guy. They use him for everything. Jameer Gibbs they do use him as like hey, a one-two punch, but even though once the other running back did get hurt on their offense, they gave it all to him and he looked great, but here's the thing I actually believe Jameer Gibbs going in this year is going to be the next closest thing we get to Saquon.
Speaker 1:No, jameer Gibbs reminds me and looks a lot like fucking Todd Gurley when he played.
Speaker 2:Not as much of a banger. You can't touch me.
Speaker 1:But once he gets to top speed when I'm moving, there's no one that can touch me. Stop on a dime and then back to full speed, right, and he's the next closest thing. We're about to see him very close to Saquon this coming year because he's getting all the touches. But I think Saquon can gill, but he doesn't use him that way, yeah, but he can't.
Speaker 2:They didn't have to. They're like, hey, we have One of the best wide receiver duos in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Go for it. I still think it's Jameer Gibbs is going to be the best running back in the NFL.
Speaker 2:But Do you Okay. So my question is Will he ever have the production to do so? If they keep this two-back running back system, go Because he is giving up.
Speaker 1:They don't have two-back running back systems. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2:Is David Montgomery still in? David Montgomery, I thought he was injured. No, he's still there. No, he's still there and I think he's healthy. Nah, he's still there. He got hurt last year, but he's healthy now. He's good.
Speaker 1:I still think he's going to get the bulk of the carries.
Speaker 2:He should, but the thing is that they believe in the two running back system. And again, will it keep Jameer Gibbs better throughout his whole career? Maybe, but I don't think he'll ever have the Saquon Barkley-like season of hey, you're the number one back getting all the carries. I hope so, all the carries I think he will. There's never.
Speaker 1:I hope so, I really do. I think going into this year he will have that Because he's coming off a knee injury. So I I really do think it, but you know. I think, we have a lot of the same guys we do. I think a lot of them are interchangeable.
Speaker 2:Christian McCaffrey is probably the only one that, like again 200 yards Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:But we're all going to be looking stupid if he has a good season again. We were looking stupid last year because that nigga was getting drafted first in a row on Fantasy. I could have had B John Robinson.
Speaker 2:B John is great B. John is great. And Derrick Henry? We have to give him some fucking credit. He's 31 goddamn years old and he still does this Again. I've been going into every season thinking, oh, this might be the year he falls off and he doesn't. He just keeps doing his thing again. The ravens didn't use him like they probably should have last year. They were like, hey, we're just gonna not gonna use him all season until the variant they didn't use.
Speaker 1:It really feel like they didn't use him all season. He still ended up with 9200 yards, true he still played awesome, but it's just.
Speaker 2:I don't know again. We're just waiting for the again, because every running back falls off at some point once they get into their early 30s, before 31 right, but he just keeps going, man, and I have to give him a lot of credit because I've been one of the detractors waiting for him to fall off and it has to happen. So a lot of credit to him, james. So 10 to 1. I'll just do mine real quick. Cook at 10, james, jo Mixon at 9. You had Joe Mixon a lot higher than me.
Speaker 1:It's because of how bad his O-line is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how bad his.
Speaker 1:O-line is compared to how good he actually is are two very different things. True, now he still had 1,000 yards, despite having one of the worst O-lines in the NFL. He is hurt right now.
Speaker 2:That's the only downside. But again him being hurt to downside but seems he having arthritis in both knees. I hate, no, no, no, I'm not saying it'll mess up his season, I'm just saying it as a fun fact.
Speaker 1:We're lucky, he has a season.
Speaker 2:He's playing great now. Kyron Kyron Williams at 8, mccaffrey at 7, josh Jacobs at 6 that's one you definitely should have your top 10 in your top 10, but you hate him. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:Because that nigga's not that fucking good.
Speaker 2:Bucky Irving at five I'm not going to have an argument with you. Jameer Gibbs at four. Bijan at three. Derek Henry at two. Saquon at one. Go ahead and give your list one more time. Make sure we get this all out and then we'll go ahead and Is there?
Speaker 2:Okay, before you do it, is there a guy you wish you would have had in your list? No, now you're set. No, I made my one mistake With James Conner. He probably shouldn't have been and I I made my fix. You lose me on that one man. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:No, again I went. I went a little off the reservation On that I can totally agree Again why I took him off the list altogether. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1:James Cook at 10. Bucky Irving at 9. You didn't have Aaron Jones, which is surprising to me.
Speaker 2:I think Aaron Jones too often is hurt in the biggest moment when you really need him, and I also think that, as much as I think Aaron Jones is kind of like on his way down the hill in a way that a lot of these running backs are still going up the hill, think about it. James Cook is still young. Joe Mixon is still pretty young. Kyra Williams is still pretty young. Chris McCaffrey is okay. Fine Jacobs is still young. Jameer Gibbs, bucky Irving on his way up Gibbs on his way up Robinson. Gibbs on his way up Robinson on his way up.
Speaker 2:Henry is just a freaking medical marvel and Saquon just ran for 2,000 yards.
Speaker 1:Aaron Jones at 8. I had Jonathan Taylor at 7. That one is one I totally didn't have in the list. Kyron Williams at 6. Joe Mixon at 5. I have Bijon at 4. Jameer Gibbs at 3. Joe Mixon at five. B John at four. Jameer Gibbs at three. Derek Henry Jake.
Speaker 2:Lombardi, okay, and the Jonathan Taylor. I think I had him a little lower just because his team is about to be so Jonathan Taylor based that, I think there's no way he'll be able to produce in a way that is like normal, because of how bad their quarterback plays about this year.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I think their quarterback plays so bad. I don't think he makes the whole season because he's going to get used so fucking much.
Speaker 2:They're going to have 11-man boxes and just say oh, it's going to be Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones fucking up the pass again. They're going to take their choice. So, they're going to take their choice. They're like hey, if he makes a pass, good on them, they're not going to do that, they won't do it again. They're not going to do it again. It's awful, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1:They send one DV, send 10 guys in the box. Y'all are running this bitch. And if you run it, that DV don't have too much work he's going to overthrow it.
Speaker 2:Richardson can't read the. He can, I guess, but he's not consistent enough either to really believe in that.
Speaker 1:So that gives us no for the matter, yeah no question.
Speaker 2:So yeah, all right. So there's our list. We have a little bit of a shorter podcast, just over an hour, but I think we had a lot to talk about. We did our thing. There's still plenty of NFL preseason games going on, so we'll definitely have more to talk about next week when it comes to that and next week when it comes to that, and that's about it. So we'll be back next week. We'll do our um cornerback rankings. Do you want to do receivers? Just do it all in one fell swoop.
Speaker 2:Just have one big, mega one yeah, we can do that so we'll do that going into next week and I'll come up with something else that'll be a little bit more fun for us to talk about. So that's about it for us. So if you've been listening to us for a while, we appreciate you. You, you're just now joining on. Hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to listen to this podcast on a weekly basis and join us on this ride of us talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. If you like us and enjoy us enough, we would appreciate if you could like the podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us we're pretty much available on all the audio platforms you can listen into and then If you could also share our podcast, friends, family, enemies, anybody you feel like could enjoy the podcast we put out on a weekly basis. We would love if you could do that.
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