From 18-Inning Chaos To CFB Coaching Carousels And NFL's Week 8 Surprises

A World Series game turned into a doubleheader, and Shohei Otani turned it into a one-man legend reel. We kick off with an 18-inning epic that burned through 600+ pitches and nearly 260 baseballs, then wrestle with the extra-innings rule, player health, and whether playoff baseball needs a rethink. From there, the conversation zooms out to generational greatness: Otani devouring baseball’s constraints and Victor Wembanyama bending NBA geometry. Two once-in-a-lifetime athletes, each forcing their leagues to adapt.

College football was chaos in stereo. We break down the coaching carousel’s fast-forward button—massive buyouts, donor fatigue, and the transfer portal turning rebuilds into sprints. Where does a program like Michigan State realistically rank in a crowded market? What did LSU’s Brian Kelly saga teach about culture fit? Then it’s on-field clarity: Indiana’s consistency, Oregon’s warning signs, and Ohio State’s defense earning respect beyond schedule nitpicks.

The NFL brought receipts. The Chiefs’ offense is opening up around Rashee Rice, and it looks ominous. Miami sliced the Falcons with clinical efficiency. The Jets flipped the Bengals with late-game haymakers and relentless rushing, spotlighting Cincinnati’s defensive leaks and play-calling panic. The Patriots got a real spark while the Browns wasted a five-sack Miles Garrett day. The Eagles rolled as the Giants lost Cam Skattebo to a gruesome ankle injury, complicating a promising Jackson Dart arc. The Colts impressed, Daniel Jones looked steady, and yes, the Jonathan Taylor “stat-padding or domination?” debate gets loud.

We close with a sharp TNF preview—Ravens at Dolphins—and a candid rant on officiating: forward progress without audible whistles, missed offsides, and the uneasy marriage of refs and betting optics. If you’re here for smart sports talk that doesn’t duck the hard parts, press play and ride with us. Subscribe, rate us five stars, and tell a friend who loves a heated sports argument—and then jump into the comments: who’s the real No. 1 right now?

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening, Date Check, Co-Host Returns
• 0:49 Otani’s Historic Night And 18-Inning Epic
• 4:18 Extra-Innings Debate And Player Health
• 9:58 Wembanyama, Otani, And Once-In-A-Lifetime Talent
• 16:51 College Coaching Carousel And Buyouts
• 22:11 Who Can Michigan State Hire Next
• 28:58 Ohio State Confidence And National Picture
• 34:32 Weekend College Recap: Key Results
• 49:01 Michigan vs Michigan State Breakdown
• 57:14 NFL Pivot: Chiefs Roll And AFC Outlook
• 1:02:36 Dolphins Cruise, Falcons Flop
• 1:06:37 Jets’ Comeback, Bengals’ Collapse
• 1:17:27 Patriots Surge, Browns Spiral
• 1:23:21 Eagles Roll, Giants Lose Scadaboo
• 1:29:28 Bills Ground Game Explosion
• 1:32:05 Ravens Win Without Lamar
• 1:34:54 Texans Outmuscle 49ers
• 1:38:13 Bucs Smother Saints, QB Questions
• 1:40:52 Broncos’ Best Game, Cowboys Stumble
• 1:45:06 Colts’ Firepower And The Taylor Debate

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:09

Welcome back to the podcast. Today is Tuesday, October 28th.

SPEAKER_02: 0:15

We back. I know I was starting to coin it solo Tuesdays, but Jace is available.

SPEAKER_00: 0:21

Solo Tuesday that's nice.

SPEAKER_02: 0:22

I know. It was starting to be a thing, and then you were like, oh, why didn't you call me that day? And I'm like, well, I thought this was a thing. And you're like, no, I was off and we were able to go. So like, in today, we you're off and we're ready to go. So guess what? It's not solo anymore. We're doing it together, doing our thing, and uh, we're back at it doing it. I'm not gonna say better than we ever have, because that'd be wild, but we're getting better every time we do this, so that's about it. So let's go ahead and keep this this whole thing rolling. Before I get to the footballs, which we're we're mostly here for. I do have to. Do you have any perception as to what happened with the baseball game last night?

unknown: 0:59

No.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00

Okay, let me okay, then this'll be fun. This'll be fun as I give this to you. I'm gonna give you, because obviously we started off last pod by talking about how great Shohei Otani is, okay? I'm gonna give you his stat line for last night. Um, he went four for four with two home runs, and I believe he had two doubles, two extra base hits, and then he also had five walks. Four intentional. And you missed this because us being on the East Coast, we were having this issue with the game that was going on last night as they went into extras. Would you like to guess how many innings they played extra last night? Four or five. They played another nine innings last night. Damn. This went to 18 innings. The game ended at 3 around 3 a.m. And again, there wasn't an issue on the on the West Coast because again, for them, it was around midnight. So it was a perfect night for them. But if you wanted to keep tight any type of track of what the game that happened last night, you would have had to stay up until 3 a.m. to watch it. I was keeping track, I wasn't watching everything like play by play because obviously, it not my obviously, but it hurt. Honestly, it did hurt me watching this Toronto Blue Jays team play because they're the team that knocked out our Yankees, and then obviously the Dodgers being the team that beat us last year in the uh World Series. It's just a whole world series worth of hate that I just don't want to be a part of whatsoever. But I do keep a little bit like loose uh loose track of what's going on in the games as they're happening and all that. So the game went till 3 a.m. Otani also is starting pitching tonight when they play, 17 hours after the first game ended. Absolutely insane. And so here's so here's the thing. And this ended was it was like a five, they were tied at five for a long time, and then obviously got the last run in the 18th, where they walked Mr. Otani once again. And guess who got the home run that ended it? If you had to pick one, one guy that would have ended it for the Dodgers. Same guy that ended our season last year, Freddie Freeman. Mr. Freddie Freeman himself, the guy that has kind of been on a slump as of late. He has not been nearly as hot as he was last year when they went and ran all the way to winning a World Series, but he was the guy to end it. So here's some little fun facts about the game. Like I told you when we went 18. They bring, because this was this was becoming an issue that they were talking about last night. They usually bring around 260 balls, baseballs, into a baseball game. They were starting to have the conversation about warming up new baseballs because they were close to running out. They only had like 30 baseballs left. In the baseball game, this is how long this game went. And then on top of that, would you like to know how many pitches were pitched?

unknown: 4:02

Like three or four hundred.

SPEAKER_02: 4:03

Uh-uh. Like six over 600 pitches were pitched last night.

SPEAKER_01: 4:08

Damn, 600 is crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 4:10

Over 600. Now the Dodgers pitched 300 and then the Blue Jays was at 297. So just over 600 pitches were pitched last night. Absolute insanity was that game last night. So on one hand, it's like a where were you moment because usually games are never this long. I think this was this is the longest. I think it tied the record for the longest World Series game ever. Which is crazy that this has happened before. But 18 innings, absolutely insane. But I will say, people that don't like the rule when it comes to putting an extra man on second are kind of have crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 4:52

They're having a field day today. You're talking about this game is going until fucking 8 in the morning if they don't put a man on second. That's insane.

SPEAKER_02: 4:59

That's the thing they didn't, because it's it's normal baseball now. And in the world in the playoffs, they don't do that anymore. So this was played straight up all the way until the end. But if they had put an extra man on second like they do during the regular season, the game would have been over much fast much faster. But the people that are on that train of saying, like, oh, we should probably do this for the playoffs too, are having a field day because having a game lasts that long.

SPEAKER_01: 5:22

It now shows hey, we should probably do this all the time.

SPEAKER_02: 5:25

And again, nobody wants to talk about the idea because when you have extra an extra game, not extra game, but like in overtime in the NFL, everybody's like, what about the health of the players? Which is why they don't want to go past one overtime. And then you have the in basketball, it's like they have the regular overtime too, where they can keep going. But people start worrying about, oh, what about their what about their legs and injuries and all of that? So that is not a conversation that comes up with baseball as much because everybody assumes that baseball players they don't do much anyway. So playing extra innings is no big deal. But when it gets to a point where you're playing a whole net extra game.

unknown: 6:04

That's fucking wild, dude.

SPEAKER_01: 6:06

There's no way that that is okay. Like you have to really have that decision of hey, we can't be doing this. Because that's this is a very rare scenario.

SPEAKER_02: 6:15

This is very rare, and I don't want to necessarily like go and like try to like advocate for new rules based off of this. Because again, this is a very rare case for a specific reason, but it's it was an absolutely insane. Would you like to know how many pitchers pitched last night?

SPEAKER_00: 6:32

Total.

SPEAKER_02: 6:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:34

18, 4, 5.

SPEAKER_02: 6:36

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_00: 6:37

12.

SPEAKER_02: 6:39

Nine pitchers pitched for the Blue Jays. What the three six, nine, and ten pitchers pitched for the Dodgers. Nineteen pitchers. Who the fuck's throwing tomorrow? Again, Otani's pitching tonight. He didn't pitch yesterday. So he's gonna be their starter. But neither team is gonna have any type of bullpen.

SPEAKER_01: 6:57

No, does your what how do you even like mentally as a player? I'd be so knocked out of I don't want to play again. I'm done.

SPEAKER_02: 7:08

You already played two games last night. And then you have to pitch yet to play tonight. It's an absolutely insane ordeal to have to go through. And do you know what I'll say in this, and like just loosely knowing what's going on in the series as I'm not really watching the games intently? Doesn't this help the Blue Jays out a little bit? Because the more the more well-known thing is about how the Dodgers have a really good starting rotation, but when it comes to having relievers and closers, they really don't have as much of, which I think the Blue Jays do a little bit better job of. But when you have a game like this, it just pretty much messes up everybody in the series, and Dodgers now have a 2-1 lead, so that game was definitely important. But I don't know, man. It's just like it's such an outlier type of moment that it's just hard, it's hard to kind of put your head like to kind of wrap your head around as to how crazy that was, but it all just started with the Shimpe thing, man.

SPEAKER_01: 8:03

Like I very like something we never see again because they may start throwing a guy on second, so we may never see a game like this again. I guess there was also a time where games I guess were all too common.

SPEAKER_02: 8:14

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_01: 8:15

I couldn't imagine a time like that. I've been watching a fucking playoff game where in inning 11, and I'm like, can we just fucking stop? Can we tie and go home?

SPEAKER_02: 8:22

Yeah, but you're in a playoff game where the ties aren't that doesn't happen. You can't. And again, you need a winner. I uh so and you kind of said it like with the this is like something we may never never see again. I think of Tawny. It's a one-off. Like I kind of said with the Tawny, he may be a kind of player we'd never see again with him doing what he did, what he can do after last like again with the fact that they walked him four straight times. It's Barry Bond's numbers, is like insane. Like they just said, hey, we're done. And I think they're gonna have to. I do worry about what other if other teams start to catch on to that fact is when he's as hot as he is right now, like what if the Blue Jays just stop pitching him to him altogether because he's pretty much torched them in all the games that he has played so far. So why pitch to the guy at all? And again, it does make it a little more difficult because you when you don't pitch to him, you then have to pitch to guys like Freddie Fre Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts.

SPEAKER_01: 9:18

Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Taoscar Hernandez, a lot of players.

SPEAKER_02: 9:21

And other guys, but man, it's just like when you have such a giant, I'm not not just physically, but like presence-wise on the baseball field to show Yotani, it just he sucks up all the oxygen out of the air. And he just he totally commands so much attention, yeah, at all times, dude. It's it's insane. And we already went on the whole thing about him being one of the best, probably the best we've ever seen on the last spot, so I don't want to go too far into that again. But it's just as soon as you think you've never seen something like that, and it just it happens, and you're like, oh, that's like in insane moments like that is kind of insane. And I will say it is one of those weird things where I think we have two Godzilla-like athletes playing right now at the same exact time. Two guys that I don't think we'll ever see again doing what they're doing. Would you like to take a guess about who the other guy is? Victor Weminana. I was I remember I was going crazy about it when he was first like starting about getting getting drafted, and you were the guy that was like, it take it easy. It has he hasn't even played in the NBA yet. Don't crown him before he's done anything. And again, when it comes to winning, they don't do a lot of that. The team isn't all that good. But what I will say is watching Wimbenyama play basketball with other supreme athletes that play in the NBA right now. And it's almost it puts me in disbelief as to how he's making the supreme elite athletes look like children.

SPEAKER_01: 10:59

And it's just makes him even more impressive.

SPEAKER_02: 11:01

It makes it more impressive. And I was talking to our stepfather about it, and he was like, it's kind of like when Wilt Chamberlain played, or no, or did he say Kriama Dujabar? I think it was Will Chamberlain. Wilt Chamberlain and Bill um and Bill Russell, and I'm sitting there like, but I but I almost couldn't put my head around that because I was sitting there like, but you could Bill Russell was definitely playing some regular schmegular guys. Bill Russell was a supreme black athlete playing in a league that didn't have a lot of black players at the time, but a lot of those dudes were firemen when they weren't playing in basketball games.

SPEAKER_01: 11:34

Yeah, the best dude that he was playing would have been Krimadou Jabbar.

SPEAKER_02: 11:38

And that was later in his career, like Krima, like so they didn't really match up like when it came to what their career was.

SPEAKER_01: 11:43

No, and Krimadou Jabbar was young plan.

SPEAKER_02: 11:47

So like when I think about it, it's kind of like I in when you say that, it's like it's like when I saw that, but I'm like, but they were playing against some regular schmegular dudes in the NBA now. Wimbin Yama's playing Supreme, there is no guys that can't play out there.

SPEAKER_01: 12:01

It's a superstar playing a superstar.

SPEAKER_02: 12:03

Yeah, and he's make he's making them like children. And I'm just sitting there, like, it's like it's not as dominant as when Shaq did it because he was doing it with power.

SPEAKER_01: 12:12

Yes, but it's more fluid.

SPEAKER_02: 12:14

It's more fluid. It's kind of it's like a mix between Katie and Shaq. If I really had to put a pin as to what I think watching him is like, because he has the fluidity of a guy like Kevin Durant that is tall, but can do all the you know, plays like a guard, can dribble, can shoot. He's shooting like 38% from three. But then he has like the physical presence of a guy like Shaq, where he can do a little bit more of like imagine him trying to put his elbow in your chest and hitting your face as like other NBA players. He has to lean down to put his shoulder in people's chests because of how much taller he is. They said that he actually grew a few inches over the summer.

unknown: 12:50

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 12:52

So he was like seven, two, like he's they're saying he's like seven, four, seven, five now.

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

That's crazy to think he was how young he actually is.

SPEAKER_02: 12:59

He's 21 years old.

SPEAKER_01: 13:01

I know, but even then, that's still God now.

SPEAKER_02: 13:05

It's it's insane. And it's just like and I thought about those two guys playing right now at the same time, and you just think of like, oh, like this is a moment where you're gonna have two dudes that may not ever be born again. That it's just an absolute treat to kind of like be alive, be able to see these type of watch this witness these type of moments. And again, the Wemby side, like Otani's already doing the winning. He's already he just got to the Dodgers last year. They instantly won a World Series right away, and looks like they're potentially gonna be on the run to win two.

SPEAKER_01: 13:36

The Angels are probably sick right now.

SPEAKER_02: 13:38

The Angels had him and Mike Trout on the same team.

SPEAKER_01: 13:42

How do you fuck this up that fucking bad?

SPEAKER_02: 13:44

And ever since Otani left, Mike Trout's been on the downturn when it comes to injuries and stuff, so like you're not really getting close to what Mike Trout was at his peak.

SPEAKER_01: 13:53

So I'm like, they have to be sick as how do you fuck up two generational players?

SPEAKER_02: 13:58

Because they couldn't put a real team around them when they were playing together, and then once it was time to make it happen, Otani was like, no, I want to go try to win baseball games. And guess what? The Dodgers have done, they got that Supreme that Supreme talent, and they have made something of it, and they're turning out winning, they're winning. And that is like, and that's the one thing that Wemby probably needs on his side now because he being what he is, he went and he went and went with the monks this summer and he got his focus in. And like when you give a guy with that much talent physically and like mentally, and then you give him the focus of I'm not gonna sit here and say, because when you think about people of like Supreme Focus, you think of Michael Jordan, you think of Kobe, you think of guys like that. Like, imagine if he had close to the amount of focus on doing the one thing they that he needs to do, like those Supreme Focus, like led guys do, on top of the talent that he has, that is literally God-given. Like, you can't like they look like they were they were made in a lab, both Wemby and Otani in comparison to the guys they're playing with. It's it's like absolutely insane to be able to watch those two guys go at it and like do what they do at this highest level and make other guys look like they don't belong in the same sport as them. Like Wemby and Otani look like they need to be playing a different sport with other guys that look like them. But the problem is there aren't.

SPEAKER_01: 15:20

There's no one else like okay, I see what you mean. It makes it so much more impressive what they're doing because there's no one else like you. Yeah. You will probably the only person I ever see like this.

SPEAKER_02: 15:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:28

In my entire life.

SPEAKER_02: 15:30

And that's and Otani, it's less about physically because obviously you see other guys like him physically when it comes to like Aaron Judge, and like I think those two stand him above mo above most when it comes to how tall they are and how bulky they are in comparison.

SPEAKER_01: 15:42

I think it's more impressive with Otani, him being from a country where no one is as tall as he is. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 15:47

He's a freak where he is from, and he is fast too at his size, too, which is insane the fact that he could be the speed, have the speed that he has at his size, and be able to pitch and hit and do all that. The f the fi the 50-50 season, like it almost feels like a distant memory because he did it last year. Feels like long ago, but he had 50 steals and 50 home runs in the same season.

SPEAKER_01: 16:10

Again, it's something that probably will not happen again for a while.

SPEAKER_02: 16:12

And Wemby won't happen again, and it's just like at least not in our lifetime. And I hate to say it. It almost seems like Patrick Mahomes probably won't happen again. I I know you're saying that guy already exists, it's Joe Brown, he's the white one.

SPEAKER_01: 16:28

That combination of what has happened with Mahomes won't happen again.

SPEAKER_02: 16:32

The the Mahomes and the team at the same time.

SPEAKER_01: 16:35

The perfectness of all of it.

SPEAKER_02: 16:36

And almost, you know what's crazy that we were saying that about the Patriots, and then the Chiefs show up and they look like they're doing what they're doing. It's absolutely insane that we have all this crazy sports moments happening all at once. But I just had to mention it before we got into the football. Before we get into the football part of it, I just had to make sure to mention those things. It's absolutely crazy that all those things are happening. Alright, so to the football. So if you're just now listening, well, first time you're listening to our pod, we do the recaps on the early week pods, like round two, Monday, Tuesday. We react to everything that happened from the weekend prior, both college and NFL. And then the later pod we do later on in the week, we'll do the prediction pod for the NFL games, and then do also for the college football as well. So college football, we'll start with that. Jace, my question to you before we I talk about any of the games, do you uh do you think you want your team on the coaching search around with everybody else?

SPEAKER_01: 17:33

I do. Is that bad? Is that bad that I want that?

SPEAKER_02: 17:37

I here's my thing. I think your coach is cooked. Even though I believed in him to start, it has not gone well so far. And what is is his second year there? Again, maybe give him a third year, get his whole his own recruiting class.

SPEAKER_01: 17:56

Our defense is horrendous.

SPEAKER_02: 17:57

But yeah, but if he's a recruiting guy, you're not gonna see the fruits of that labor until year. I get what you're saying. And especially now with with like um transfer portal and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 18:08

Kurt Signet coming in.

SPEAKER_02: 18:10

Yeah, I there's other guys proving out there what's happening in Indiana is that you can turn it around quickly if you know what you're doing and you know how to spend your money correctly, and you go get the right guys in the transfer portal along with what you do in recruiting, that it should not be a three-year turnaround. Usually you can do it in a year.

SPEAKER_01: 18:27

No one in the transfer portal. We got like no.

SPEAKER_02: 18:29

Right. So I so to one that degree, I think that is something that's gonna have to be a question that uh your coach is gonna have to answer. But my only thing about potentially joining that coaching search one with everybody else is that now how low on the totem pole would Michigan State truly be? Because now with all the coaching jobs that are out there, LSU, literally top of the totem pole, that's the number one job that is vacant right now. Then you can have the fight with Penn State in Florida as to what's the number two job, and then number three, and then then you're talking about what are the other ones that I'm thinking of? Florida State. Florida State, they haven't fired him yet. But they're that's a potential firing that's gonna happen. Wisconsin, they're saying that's probably gonna happen, but they're saying that they're gonna keep Luke Fickle for the next year, which I'm like, okay, maybe you don't have the money to fire him because with all this all these coaches that are getting fired, they're getting paid buyout money out the wazoo. Apparently, it's over$168 million that's being owed to NFL to fired uh college football coaches now, with all the firings that have happened so far.

unknown: 19:34

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02: 19:35

James Franklin. Like the fact that these teams are paying all this money, and that that's why I was telling somebody that I was talking to a few days ago. It's like, why are all these firings happening so soon? Which I'm like, as soon as Penn State did what they did to James Franklin, it almost like pressed the past the fast forward button on everybody else in college football because, like, oh, they're gonna be on their coaching search sooner. I don't want to be late to go get my guy. So now it's like putting the pressure on everybody else to go ahead and fire their head coaches they don't want, to then be able to, oh, Arkansas is also another job that's open. But it just puts the it puts the pressure on all the other schools to be like, oh, I don't want to be able to I don't want to miss out on talking to that coach I potentially want. So I'd rather fire this guy now, even though it may screw us up for the next year or so, because of the transport portal, because of the playoff, we we can turn it around pretty quickly if we get the right guy. But the fact is that money is not endless. And the idea that you're gonna keep asking your million or billionaire donors to keep forking over tens of millions of dollars for these buyouts is absolutely insane. And that's where I think the question for you is is that if you fire a guy, you better make sure you have the guy, the next guy waiting. I know, but like who would even want to come to Michigan State? I think because with all the jobs that are being opened, there is not gonna be a splash hire waiting in the wings because those top schools are already gonna be in that line. They're already waiting to get those guys. So, what's the point in firing your guy now if you can probably wait till next year and there will be less potential coaches on the market to go get? And you know what, do you know what one coach is that apparently is getting some buzz for Penn State? That's kind of like irking me a little bit. Apparently, Penn State's looking at Brian Hartline to catch up.

SPEAKER_01: 21:32

Mike Tomlin is the uh James Franklin of the NFL.

SPEAKER_02: 21:37

You don't have to be an asshole.

SPEAKER_01: 21:39

You did one cool thing once and then never did anything else. Sorry, I thought about this.

SPEAKER_02: 21:43

James Franklin never won a super won never won a national championship.

SPEAKER_01: 21:46

Nobody beat Ohio State once.

SPEAKER_02: 21:49

Uh yeah. Uh okay, fine.

SPEAKER_01: 21:52

And Mike Thomas won a Super Bowl once.

SPEAKER_02: 21:56

But but okay But but I'm right. I'm right. But yeah, win a Super Bowl is much better than anything James Franklin did. Anything. And it's harder to win a Super Bowl in the NFL than it is just to be 10 and 2 in the college football. For your whole career.

SPEAKER_01: 22:16

Yeah, it's great. It's also really hard to beat Ohio State, and he did that. So he won the Big Ten.

SPEAKER_02: 22:22

He did it one time.

SPEAKER_01: 22:24

Mike Tollin won the Super Bowl once.

SPEAKER_02: 22:27

Okay. I look, you're making me think, like, you're making me like I don't I don't want to be on Mike Talon's side. I'm really upset about how things have gone. But when you say some crazy shit like that.

SPEAKER_01: 22:42

And that's why it's you're so angry about it because I'm right.

SPEAKER_02: 22:44

Okay, factually you're not. Factually, you are right. But when you think about the essence of what you said, you don't believe that. The essence of what you said. You don't believe that. Like, come on. Come on, bro. Like, come on. I want to be on your side on this. I'm I want, I potentially want Mike Tomlin to go because I don't think anything's gonna change if he stays. But okay, alright, you did that to me. That sucks.

SPEAKER_01: 23:16

And again, you're not saying I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_02: 23:19

I'm I I am saying you're I am saying you're wrong. But I don't have again, it's because the essence, like technically, factually, you're right, but the essence of what you said is wrong. The the vibe check does not come out good on what you said. Not good vibes. But I'm right. But you're not. You know what I'm saying. You're just you're just trying to stick to the letter of what you said. And I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I'm I'm very upset. I'm very upset by that. So final verdict, do you want your do you want you do you want to have to be on the coaching search too?

SPEAKER_01: 23:53

I would like to be on the coaching search. How the fuck is a recruiter not bringing any good recruiting classes? I get what you're saying. Who's the best recruit he's he's brought in so far? Aiden fucking Chiles. Yeah. And Nick Mark.

SPEAKER_02: 24:07

Yes, that is also a big one. I'm not gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_01: 24:10

But again, is 50 is 50% okay?

SPEAKER_02: 24:14

Yeah, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But it's just crazy with the the because the latest firing was Brian Kelly. Apparently, the them getting blown out by Texas A M on their home field at night wasn't very good for them. And it got to a point where the fans were chanting Brian fire Brian Kelly on the field as they were losing on Saturday night in terrible fashion, especially with them with the game being close in the first half and then everything going to shit in the second against Texas AM. It's just one of those things where just like with all the money that was being owed to him, you just like what I said about uh Penn State earlier in the year, you don't have I I was thinking you didn't they didn't have the balls to do it. I didn't and to a certain degree they decided that they were.

SPEAKER_01: 24:58

I thought James Franklin was gonna make it through the year because of his buyout.

SPEAKER_02: 25:02

Yeah, but I again I will give some kudos to these teams to be like, hey, if we're gonna do it later, you may as well just do it now.

SPEAKER_01: 25:11

Yeah, no, I bravo. Again, I didn't think they were gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02: 25:15

I just I don't know. It takes a lot of balls to do it in the middle of the season like that, especially in college football. Brian Kelly one surprised me the most. Oh, yeah, no question, because it's just he's only been there three years and things haven't gone well. And like he did win, get them to the SEC championship game, but apparently he wasn't well liked. And if you're gonna suck and not be well liked in your own building, I just think it's like your days are numbered at that at that moment. LSU is a real place where it's like, hey, it's easy to win here, but you have to kind of like there's a culture part of LSU that I think you have to be able to be willing to buy into. And I don't think he was ever gonna do that. I think it's Bri Brian Kelly's way of the highway, and I think it didn't really vibe well with everybody else in the building, and he made some bad hires, and players don't necessarily connect with him in the way they need to. So I don't know, man. It's just it it's crazy that these do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing? That teams are now willing showing that they're willing to move off of head coaches faster.

SPEAKER_01: 26:17

You're willing, the willingness to get better is a great thing. Uh not sitting around with a coach that isn't doing enough is absolutely a great thing. Sitting around with a shitty fucking coach leads to your team not getting better. Uh so absolutely I agree with what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02: 26:39

But I think my only two, I think what you're saying makes sense to a certain point, but I also think that coaching contracts are gonna have to change because of this. They're gonna be so willing to jump off of these coaches so quickly. Because giving up this amount of money, because not only do you have to fire them and give him his money, you also have to fire the rest of his coaches on his staff and then give their give them money for them getting fired. And then on top of that, then you have players leaving your your team to go to other places once the transfer portal comes open. I just think it's like a three-pronged, like uh yeah, three-pronged assault up the ass when you decide to make a change like this because it's like it just it's only gonna hurt you in the short term. The question is, do you have a real plan for the long-term success to get out of the hole you're now digging yourself into? But I think the other what other people would say is, aren't we digging ourselves in a hole by not achieving what we need to achieve if we're giving the money and giving the support and everything we need to for a coach to do their job, which is like okay, fine, cool. But it's just with all these jobs that are open right now, it's gonna be very hard to get a splash hire. It's gonna be imp um very important for some of these teams that can't get the splash, can't get to go get Delane Kiffin, and they'll have to make a right the right hire for their school and what they want their future to be, and hope that works out that way. Because just going to get a random dude like LSU did for Brian Kelly, he wasn't a culture fit there, but he was a good coach, and they're like, hey, we want to pay all this money to come down here, and then next thing you know, he doesn't do shit. So I don't know. It's a weird spot that they all these firings are happening all at once. But you know what I am happy about? I'm happy as an Ohio State fan that I get to sit here, eat my popcorn, which I don't eat popcorn, but I'll just I'll eat some candy and watch college football burn. Because as all this crazy shit's happening, I get to sit here and be like, my team's undefeated. My team's playing very well, they're on their bye week last week. They didn't have to lose or win win anything, I didn't have to watch any of that, and they're just getting ready to go play Penn State next week. Probably doll walk Penn State and be on the real like a real road, like a real track to potentially go win another national title again. Like while everything else in college football is burning down to shit.

SPEAKER_01: 29:00

I'm like, I get to sit here, sit there, you get to have your cake and eat it too.

SPEAKER_02: 29:05

Exactly. Because if there's nothing else you learn from as being a college football fan, is that you learn to prey on the downfall of other teams. I don't give two fucks.

unknown: 29:15

I hate you so much.

SPEAKER_02: 29:17

Yeah, you might be here's my thing. With college football, I'm more like this. And then with the NFL, I wouldn't want all the NFL to go down and smoke if it means Pittsburgh sitting on top. That's not how that's not what type of fan I am when it comes to the NFL, when it comes to the Steelers. But when it comes to college football, I don't give a shit what happens to anybody else, as long as Ohio State still stands above anybody else. That's where that's where I'm I sit. I Ohio sit over everything. So watching all this craziness happen around them and they're they're sitting there chilling, fine, Ryan Day's doing his thing, I'm more than comfortable with where everything's at right now.

SPEAKER_01: 29:54

I'm really tired of y'all being on bye week. I used to do work when I'm at work on Saturday. Yeah, he likes. Get when I checked. I checked because I work Saturdays. I checked. I was like, these motherfuckers don't play. And I was like, I should call the fuck off. Fucking you get all you see is the OSU fans in Jersey come in. I left until the clock.

SPEAKER_02: 30:12

Hey, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

That is the only thing I care about when it comes to OSU.

SPEAKER_02: 30:16

Hey, it's all good.

SPEAKER_01: 30:17

I need y'all motherfuckers playing on Saturday, so I don't have to work.

SPEAKER_02: 30:20

Don't worry. Next Saturday at noon, they'll be playing. They'll be playing Penn State. So it's all good. That's what's going on at noon.

unknown: 30:25

No one's gonna be doing anything.

SPEAKER_02: 30:27

Everybody will have butts and seats watching that game. So but yeah, I decided to mention all that. Um, fire coaches and all. Let's go ahead and get to the games. Indiana destroyed UCLA 56-6. Game wasn't pretty. Indiana just kind of like is proving that they are willing to take the tomato cans they have in their schedule and treat them like tomato cans. It's one thing when they go and wake up and go beat an Oregon team in their house. Like it's a big game to get psyched yours to psych yourself up for. But I think the difference between the group the good and the great teams is that the great teams are willing, are able to take, are able to take every game seriously and not have a letdown. And I think of the teams that have played so far this year, Ohio State, Indiana, and I would say Texas, AM are the only three teams that have really taken every buddy they have on the schedule and they took them seriously, did their job, beat them, and went home. And that's it. That's the difference, especially this year, because with all the turmoil happening, all college football, the difference is can you go out there and play with how you need to play on game day? And Indiana has done that. They did what they needed to do with UCLA. Even with UCLA having a lot of sparks as of lately because they had won the three straight games in a row, Indiana dispatched them very early and they took care of business, and I have to give them credit for that. Um, Tech SM and LSU already mentioned LSU losing because they fired uh Brian Kelly after that game. But Tech SM did their thing. I here's my thing a lot of people are trying to put make Tech S M's like the best team in college football. My only problem with that is that who has Tech San M truly played?

unknown: 32:03

LSU.

SPEAKER_02: 32:05

LSU uh an LSU team that is now five and three, and they against the the best team they have a win against is is Clemson, another team that doesn't hasn't done shit this year. So Tech San M, I get it, they play they play in the SEC, so they have to play a harder schedule from start to finish than Ohio State because everybody's saying the best two teams they've played are ACC teams.

SPEAKER_01: 32:28

So what are you saying?

SPEAKER_02: 32:31

They did play Notre Dame. But even Notre Dame has a bad loss in their schedule they did they didn't need. So I don't know. I I think Tech CM's defense is still very suspect. I think their offense is fine with Marcel Reed, but I don't think he's a consistent enough passer. But when it comes to any sort of big plays, he can definitely make it for you. But if a defense is going to make him say, hey, you're gonna have to nickel and dime your way down the field, we're not gonna give you the big play, I do think that offense will look a lot different. Especially when they compare them to a team like Ohio State. I'm like, Arvell Reese would put Marcel Reed in a fucking body bag. Like that's the type of athlete Arvell Reese is, and Marcel Reed would not be able to get away from him running the if he tries to run away. So if you're gonna force him to stay in the pocket and make plays and have to nickel it and dime the way down the field, I don't think Tech CM can definitely can do that at all. And now people are starting to question what makes you think Ohio State's defense is that good? And I'm like, well, their average points allowed this year is six. Six fucking points allowed. I don't care who you're playing, you can be doing that against a high school team, and you have to really have some respect for that. Because averaging six points given up a game is a hard thing to do, especially when you're talking about college kids and that these are some of the best players in the United States.

SPEAKER_01: 33:48

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 33:49

So Tex AM, they get all the credit for doing what they're doing, but I they're 8-0. This is usually a game that they lose, but they didn't. It was a very close first half. They were down, but in the second half, they took care of LSU and took care of them like they were the bad team that they are. And LSU is now in shambles because of it. Um, Bama, South Carolina. Bama should have lost this game. They were down, but they ended up scoring 15 points in the fourth quarter to South Carolina 7 to come back and win the game. But this Bama team is very up and down, especially when you came into it, like, oh, you're thinking the offense should be awesome. And I'm like, again, Ty Simpson is a very good quarterback. But I also think this offense can get in lulls, and their defense is not necessarily all that spectacular. So the fact that they were in a game against South Carolina, again, South Carolina was at home. That is a very hard place to play, but the difference in talent of these two teams should have been enough to where this game should never have been close. But Bama managed to make it that way, and I think that some people are like, oh, you don't have it every single day. But I'm like, well, Bama has had these weird games, even if they come out with a win where they have shown some weaknesses, especially defensively. And if their offense is not going to be clicking at all cylinders every single week and their defense isn't all that good, I just I wonder what would happen with when Bama faces one of those best teams in the college football type of thing, especially offensively. So, and especially if the the defense of that team, this all comes back to Ohio State to be totally honest with you.

SPEAKER_01: 35:18

I know. That's kind of where I saw the circling back. What does it matter? What does all of this matter to you? What does it matter that anybody else says about you when your team's the best in the country?

SPEAKER_02: 35:26

Because my thing is I hate when people try to like when they are trying to make the case for their team, their first thing is to not necessarily give the pluses with their team, it's to start questioning everybody else. Which is hey, who has Ohio State played? Oh, how do you know they're the best defense? Oh, the best team they played was Texas, and they're not that good. And then first thing they do when Texas goes and makes like everybody was saying Washington would be a real problem for Ohio State, they put Washington in a locker and they're like, oh, Washington wasn't that good. Illinois, Illinois's a spicy team in their home at their home field. Ohio State put them in a locker, beat them by 30. So I'm just sitting here like, what, like, every time that Ohio State Ohio State keeps passing every test given to them. But people are going to then disregard those things and say, oh, these other teams have done more. And I'm like, there's nothing Ohio State has shown anybody but them being the best team in the country right now.

SPEAKER_01: 36:25

Well them being the number one team in the country, dude. I don't know what else to give you.

SPEAKER_02: 36:28

No, I get it. It's it's the it's the fault of being an Ohio State fan. This happens, this is not just a one-year thing. This happens every year. Everybody wants to look for a reason for Ohio State not to be good, and we are. And again, sometimes we give them reasons to start doubting us, obviously with Ryan Day and the Michigan thing with his Michigan problem. But outside of that, we have done exactly what we need to do on a year-in-year-out basis, and ever nobody wants to ever give Ohio State credit for it. Next game, Oregon, Wisconsin. Oregon barely won the game, 21-7. This was a gross game. This does make this does make you question Oregon a little bit because Wisconsin has been awful all year long. And the fact that Oregon barely got out of this game, like again, they won it by two scores, so it's it's one thing, but I think Oregon was like 30 point favorites in this game, and they didn't get anywhere close to that. But it's just, I don't know. Oregon was at home, they had everything in their favor, and it was the very weird day. Especially when Wisconsin, their starting quarterback, went seven of 21 for 86 yards.

SPEAKER_01: 37:29

How the fuck did Oregon lose the game?

SPEAKER_02: 37:31

Well, they didn't lose, they won. But the game should never have been a 14-point game at all. So I'm just like, it's a little weird. And again, a team that everybody thinks in Oregon, like even I thought Oregon was a very good team. Do I think they were as good as they were last year? No. Do I think when they face some of the best teams in the country, like Ohio State, do I think they would falter? Yeah, for sure. But the fact that they only beat a very bad Wisconsin team by 14 was definitely a weird eye-opener to witness. Um, Georgia Tech destroyed Syracuse. Ole Miss, Oklahoma. Olmus won. I think this is probably the best game of the day. Olmus beat Oklahoma 34 to 26.

SPEAKER_00: 38:09

I think Michigan State plays Michigan this week, don't we?

SPEAKER_02: 38:12

Well, you guys did last week.

SPEAKER_00: 38:14

You already played them. Yeah, we lost.

SPEAKER_02: 38:15

Yeah, it wasn't it was not a great game. But again, again, it's I think it's more about your defense. I don't think your offense is necessarily the issue, but you know, we'll we'll get to that in a second. It's never the issue. Ole Miss Oklahoma, probably the best game of the day. Almus won the game 34-26. It's Lorraine Day. Um, it wasn't necessarily the most clean of football being played, but I do think Ole Miss usually loses games like this. They came into it, they struggled a little bit there for like they scored the 22 points by halftime, and then they kind of came out. Usually they their defense kind of lets up the big plays and just they don't they let the other team come back. They didn't do that. Oklahoma, they were looking so good at the beginning of the year. Uh their quarterback John Mateer, he did go out with a thumb injury and missed a few weeks, and then he's been back the last two weeks, but he has not looked nearly as good as he did when he first started the year. The defense for Oklahoma that was so highly touted as being one of the best in the country, has played nowhere near that against better competition. But I do think that I probably overall just have to give Ole Miss a lot of credit for not losing a game like this because this is a game that usually would lose. And Lane Kiffin, the main guy that a lot of people are looking at for the potential Florida position or potential LSU, he's a big old troll. He'll answer to anybody when it comes to on social media and stuff like that. But I do think that he is a very good offensive coach, and I think that whoever gets him will be very happy that they have an offensive mind like him because he does make things a lot easier. But it's just it's a very good win for Ole Miss. And this might be one of those games that kind of turns around their season. And again, they only have one loss, so they were in the top 10 already. But if they can prove themselves they can win a game like this in a hostile environment, that it can give them more confidence to build upon for weeks ahead if they want to get into the playoff and kind of go make a run up there. Um, next, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Vanderbilt won the game 17-10. This was a very close one. Uh but Missouri did lose their quarterback, uh, Bo Pabula, to a leg injury, I believe. So he's gonna be out for the rest of the year. So now Missouri is wet out their starting quarterback that they brought in via the transfer portal from Penn State. But Vanderbilt knows how to play in these close games. They actually might be one of the best teams in the SEC, if not the best, um, because of how consistent that they are. They run the football, they play some, I'm not gonna say lockdown defense, but they play some very good defense and tackle you. But against this Missouri team, I would say that Vanderbilt probably should have lost, but they lost their quarterback, and you know, this thing's kind of started going Vanderbilt's way. But they managed to take care of business, did what they had to do, and won the game. And heck, the more times they win, especially against this very much harder schedule that they have to face in the SEC, I think the rest of the games they have are Texas, Auburn, Kentucky, and Tennessee. So they have a very tough schedule to end out the year, and if they can keep winning games, they deserve a lot of people's respect. Next, we got BYU putting Iowa State in a locker, even though Iowa State was at home. That was something that people were saying could potentially happen, but BYU, they're actually one of the only three undefeated teams in FBS right now. They're 8-0 on the year. They took care of Iowa State very easily, but I do wonder what would happen if they go face a more physical team, which is not what Iowa State nearly is. Uh let me see. Virginia beat North Carolina 17-16. Very close game, went into overtime. Tennessee destroyed Kentucky. Memphis beat South Florida, Texas and Mississippi State. There was two times Texas was down by 17 points in this game, even in the fourth quarter with like six minutes left. They were down 17. And Mississippi kind of fell apart in the end and let Texas win to come back and then come back, tie the game up to go to overtime, and then Texas managed to score to win the um come back and win in overtime. So I don't know. It's what's my thing here? Mississippi State is on their way up. Texas with Arch. Arch kind of showed some pretty decent throws on that Saturday night. He played, did what he needed to do. He did go out with it with a uh concussion, and he's in concussion protocol for this week. So we're not sure as to whether he'll be able to play this upcoming weekend. But I do have to commend Texas for coming back in that game and winning it, even though things were looking very dire. But I also think you have to give Mississippi State a big ol' L for letting Texas come back in this game. One of the plays that happened that may help them come back was that the last touchdown that they had to tie it was a punt return touchdown. Again, a very good punt returner that they had doing it. But the fact that they let that play happen at all to tie it was an absolutely insane moment. But my whole thing before this Texas game was was that I was hoping Mississippi State could finish the job and knock Texas out so I don't have to see Texas in the playoff because they're gonna be very annoying, they won't be able to score, and I'm hope here's even with all those issues, they are still a very tough team. They're probably the most talented, one of the most like top five talented teams in all the country. So they're gonna beat you up, they're gonna be physical, but even if they don't have an offense, it's just gonna be a very hard out for a team to have to go play Texas in the playoff. So I'm hoping that Mississippi State handles their business and like I was hoping that they would handle their business and knock Texas out. Not the case, though. Um, Washington, Illinois, Washington wins a game 42-25. The game wasn't all that close. Coming out of the game, I was hoping that Washington would end up being ranked because they are 6-2. Their only two losses are to Ohio State and Michigan. But a lot of people don't want to give them credit at all for having, again, they don't have a lot of great wins, but this Illinois game does count because Illinois was ranked at the time when they've played them. But they're just not going to give Washington the credit that they should have because guess what? That would mean having to knock one of their SE their precious SEC teams out in order to get a team like Washington in and maybe give the Big Ten a little bit of credit that we have more than just three teams to worry about. But I don't know. It was a good game. Washington took care of business, and I was just hoping that they would get ranked after that to kind of help boost Ohio State's resume when it comes to playoff uh conversations and all of that. And then Michigan, Michigan State. You mentioned it earlier. Michigan won the game 31 to 20. I will say this was not necessarily about the offense. Didn't Aiden Charles get benched in this game? And then uh Milojevic, is that his name? He had to come in and play. He only had six attempts, 60 yards, and a touchdown. I don't know. It seems like the offense is fine, but they keep playing to these points where they have to pull Aiden Childs out. Like maybe he's struggling all that is like that much to where Jonathan Smith just doesn't see a reason to keep him out there.

SPEAKER_03: 45:18

He's trash.

SPEAKER_02: 45:20

Again, I've been wanting to sing his praises to a certain degree because I follow recruiting and all that. He has not been playing well whatsoever. Especially in a game like this. In a game like this, he had an opportunity to really win. Like they they were only down 11, especially even with how bad Chiles was in this game. They ran the football well, Michigan State did. They had over 115 yards total rushing, with Mikai Frazier being the leading lead back. Um Nick Marsh played well, six receptions, 75 yards.

SPEAKER_00: 45:49

He always plays well.

SPEAKER_02: 45:50

But it's just the defense for pet for Michigan State just could not get a stop whatsoever, especially in that second half.

SPEAKER_01: 45:56

He never can.

SPEAKER_02: 45:59

Bryce Hunterwood didn't even play well. He had eight eight of 17 for 86 yards. He barely threw the football. But guess what? Michigan running the football, they had 20, like Justice Haynes had 26 carries for 152 yards in two touchdowns. Jordan Marshall, their backup running back, had 15 carries for 110 yards and a touchdown. And then Bryce Wood running also had five carries, 26 yards and a touchdown. So like they didn't even have to put the ball through the air all that much in order to beat your team because of how bad they are defensively. And obviously, it didn't help with some of the mistakes that Michigan State had to kind of compound it and give it more towards Michigan. I don't know, man. And it kind of leads back to Jonathan Smith. He's not doing the recruiting, he's not coaching them up well on game day. What are you here for? And I think to a certain extent, that is a question, a valid question that has to be asked. Because it coming into year two, there's other teams that have showed you can turn it around in just a year, if not two, and it has not gone well for him. The portal guys they brought in have not been all that great. And the quarterback that was supposed to be the next one, the guy that you brought, he brought with him from Oregon State, he has been nothing near what he was supposed to be when the conversation was being had last year as to how talented he is, how he can sling the football, and it has not been that way at all. But I don't I don't know, it's just a compound of a lot of issues. Again, if Michigan State decides to join the coaching search, they will not be high up in the line, but maybe they can still find the guy that they want.

SPEAKER_01: 47:34

We're so low on the list.

SPEAKER_02: 47:35

Yeah, you're so low on the list, man. It is what it is, but it's just like one of those things where unfortunately it might be helpful if you wait a year to then be the bigger fish, maybe in a tinier pond, but you'd be the bigger fish. I don't know. It's a it's a weird one. And again, like I said, Michigan didn't play all that great, but they still managed to do just enough to win this game with the help of Michigan State not doing their thing. So I don't know. It's a weird one altogether. But I do think that I don't know. I I got nothing from Michigan State, man. It's just it's so lost. I bet on them to win over six games. They have don't look like they're looking very hot on that fact right now. But I don't it's it's a little disappointing. I'll say that. And that's I'm not even a team that I'm not even a fan of that team. I'm just betting them. But I I can totally understand that uh watching a team play like this where they have a little bit more talent, but their defense is gone to crap.

SPEAKER_01: 48:35

What are we doing?

SPEAKER_02: 48:36

What are we doing? What are we doing? I know all too well that feeling, and we'll get to that a little bit later. But that's about it for the college football stuff. Um, it should be a lot better of a weekend next weekend. We have a lot more bet a lot better games to talk about. But uh I would say some of those games are pretty good classic games. Uh, if you didn't watch them go back and do it, because there were a lot of great plays made, a lot of great games had, um, and that's about it. So let's go ahead and jump into the NFL here. Would you like to start with the third with the Monday night football game last night?

unknown: 49:09

Sure.

SPEAKER_02: 49:11

We'll start with that and then we'll kind of go back and talk about Sunday.

SPEAKER_00: 49:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 49:16

Chiefs destroy the commanders. Game wasn't close. What was it, like 28-7? Was it 28-7 or was it worse than that? Hold on, let me see. 28-7 sounds right. 28-7. Game wasn't close. And honestly, I think it would have been it would have been even worse if Patch Mahomes hadn't had those two very early interceptions. The one that he threw was a he tried to throw a back shoulder pass, and then Marshawn Lattimore was just able to get around on it. He kind of threw a little bit too inside. He got around and was able to pick it, and then the other one bounced right off of Kelsey, right through Kelsey's hands, bounced off his helmet, popped in the air, and then the middle linebacker was able to take it. But the commanders weren't able to do anything offensively. Again, they didn't have Jaden Daniels, and Mr. Um Mariota did not play all that well in this game. But even with all of that, it's like that's the thing, is that they were able to get up and down the field, Washington was, but when it was time to go and score, they could not do that whatsoever. And here's the other problem is that they were their kicker was hurt, so they had to sign an emergency guy, and they didn't let him kick. Like there were multiple times where they could have just gone for field goals and around the 30-yard line, and they kept going for it on fourth and short, and it never, I don't think they ever really got a fourth down really converted, but it was a very ugly game. And I think this kind of leads into my my bigger big picture thought is that Mahomes and the Chiefs are back. I've been saying it for weeks, but it's every week, it's like more and more and more. I'm getting more evidence that they are gonna be back and with a vengeance, and we're gonna have to worry about them being in the Super Bowl again, unless one of these teams in the AFC wants to, you know, buckle buckle themselves up and go out and get the job done. And I just don't see it right now.

SPEAKER_00: 51:02

Other than the Cooks.

SPEAKER_02: 51:05

That's if that's even if it's worthy to come, it's even worth it to come back at that point.

SPEAKER_01: 51:09

Apparently, fucking not. We lost to the Jets.

SPEAKER_02: 51:14

You're not the only team to lose, but we'll get to that in a second.

SPEAKER_03: 51:17

God damn.

SPEAKER_02: 51:18

Chiefs look like the best team in football right now. They're back, they're throwing to everybody. Rasheed Rice absolutely unlocks that offense because of how dynamic he is as a slot receiver. He opens it up for Travis Kelsey. The outside receivers start doing a lot better because you can't put all of your resources towards the outside and then get tore up from the inside. And they can't really run the football that effectively guess what? You have to worry about the passing game so much, it doesn't matter. It was a it was a very bad um moment for me to be like, oh, this is how it's gonna be from now on. What team's gonna beat them? And I think the only thing that kind of has them as like a little bit of a under the radar type team is because they already had three losses to start the year, and they it has not played out all that well, but they're just getting better and better every single week, especially offensively, and Mahomes is getting more comfortable. And I don't know, it's it's disappointing to a certain degree. When I was hoping that another team, not even just my team, but another team would have an opportunity to like not have to see the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. But it's looking like that way, and I'm fearing that they may just go and get the job done, and it's gonna be a very sad year, not a sad year, sorry, a sad season ending note, a sad season ending note for watching the Chiefs go in the Super Bowl. Alright, let's go back to Sunday, go through those games, and then we'll go ahead and that'll be the last of what we do. Although we do have to do the Thursday night preview, but we'll get to that. First thing, Dolphins, Falcons, Dolphins win the game 34-10. This game was not close.

SPEAKER_01: 52:54

This is happening.

SPEAKER_02: 52:56

Here's the thing we didn't check the availability report. I didn't know, I for sure didn't know, I know you didn't know that Kirk Cousins was starting in this game. But I will say, it wasn't like Kirk Cousins played terribly.

unknown: 53:11

He didn't play terribly.

SPEAKER_02: 53:12

It wasn't good, but it wasn't bad. Like he was 21-31 for 173 yards. Sacked once. But like they just could not score whatsoever. They couldn't run the ball effectively. B. John Robinson was held for nine carries for 25 yards. Like, when's the last time Bijan has been held for 25 yards in a football game was an absolutely insane sight to see. They only ran for the football for 45 yards total in this game. They didn't have. Who is the one receiver that you hate?

unknown: 53:42

Drake London.

SPEAKER_02: 53:43

Drake London. He wasn't playing in this game because he had an injury. But even outside outside of that, they really didn't have any sort of like Kyle Pitts was leading receiver with nine receptions and 59 yards. He did not play well. The rest of the receivers didn't play well. Bijan Robinson didn't even do much in the passing game. I think this was a pretty much a dud of a game from the start because of how quickly Miami, the Miami play, Miami Dolphins started playing from literally from jump. Tua, 20 to 26, 205 yards, four touchdowns, zero picks. Very efficient, did what he had to do, threw touchdown passes, and they did their thing. They ran the football effectively. Devon Achan was a leading receiver with 67 yards, but other than that, they had 141 yards total rushing, which is something that's been very hard for the Miami Dolphins to do as of late when it comes to running the football. But Jalen Waddell got involved, five carries, five catches, 99 yards, and a touchdown. Malik Washton had a touchdown. Devon Achan had a receiving touchdown. Ollie Gordon was another running back that had a touchdown for them. It was a very efficient. It wasn't explosive, but it was efficient, and they did what they had to do. They scored points, and Atlanta just could not dig themselves out of the hole they put themselves in. Again, I do think it gets a little bit easier once you have your quarterback back and you're not playing Kirk Cousins as your quarterback. But even before that, it wasn't like the offense for the Falcons has been all that explosive this year, and it only got worse without Pennix. Pen X in as your quarterback. So it was a weird game. Did not expect this whatsoever. I thought Miami was dead in the water. But yeah, it was a weird game to watch, especially with us both picking the Falcons. And we thought that was a very easy to pick, but it just was not that whatsoever. Jets, Bengals, Jets win the game 39-38. Justin Fields gets his payback against the owner that talked shit about him earlier on last week. Fields went 21-32 for 244 yards and a touchdown. He played well. He didn't give the game away. He didn't have any picks. They ran the football effectively. Brees Hall had a touchdown pass in this game, which is the weirdest touchdown pass I've ever seen because uh the They just left him open. Mason. What was his name? Mason Taylor. He was just sitting there. He wasn't even wide open by himself. There was another defender there, but he treated him like a little kid, just jumped over him and high pointed the ball that Brees Hall threw. It was absolutely insane. Jets ran the football very effectively. They had over 250 yards of rushing. With Brees Hall having an 18 carry, 133-yard day with two touchdowns. It was an absolute there was multiple times the Bengals were up like 17 points, I think. And you managed to give this game away. It was like you guys had jumped off to such an early lead. You're like, oh, this game should be over. And then every time I looked back at the game, I was like, well, the Jets aren't out of it just yet. And then they had the the Jets exploded for 23 points in the fourth quarter. And it felt like the offense for the Bengals just kind of like just slogged down and didn't do anything. I don't know, man. Again, the defense has always been trash. We all we all knew this. Hendrickson did start this game and they ended up going out with an injury. But still, man, when you have such a like a big lead twice, I don't know how I don't know how the Bengals can feel anything but disappointment and heartbreak after a game like that because you already have three games won and you're like this sh this game should have been an easy one. And Joe Flacco didn't play well.

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He didn't play bad.

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Real quick.

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This game was not his fault. It's not. No, the offense. He didn't let up 558 uh yards from scrimmage to the only winless team in the NFL. He did not. No. He didn't call a run play on second and nine.

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With two-minute dribble, the fact you call a run play was absolutely insane.

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He didn't call just one run play, he called two. That wasn't Joe Flacco's fault. I do real quick. I don't want Flacco on my fucking team. I'd rather suck with Jake Browning. True. But real quick, we're also not the team that lost first overall pick. So fuck it.

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True. Yeah.

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But again, we are the team that ran the ball on second and fucking nine in the two-minute drill where we ain't been able to run the ball all fucking day.

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No question. What? When you bring Joe Flacco in, it kind of gives you a little bit of hope. And then you guys win the game against us.

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I want to lose the pride. I didn't want to lose this game, though. There's a difference.

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There was a line drawn, and the draw was drawn to the Jets.

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There's a line, and the Jets was that line, and we lost to the Jets. So now we're gonna have a like pick 17 again. Because we're gonna win enough games so we won't be in the top fucking 10. Yeah, you're not wrong.

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Because we gotta play the Browns again, and we should shit on the Browns. The one thing I will give Joe Flack a little bit of flack for. That last throw on that fourth down.

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Oh my fucking God.

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Why would you throw that ball? Like again, it was it was not to Jamar Chase or T. Higgins.

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It was to Yoshivash.

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It was to Yoshivash. I'm sitting there like you what you what he did all day long was go find Chase, was mostly Chase, because T. Higgins only had a couple catches. If that, I think he might have only had one catch now that I think about it. No, he had one.

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Oh shit, not bad.

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Jamar Chase had 12 receptions. He had 19 targets.

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Again, real quick, you know Joe Flacco. You know what they told Joe Flacco? Find number one. Find number one. Get the ball in his hands by any means necessary to let him figure it the fuck out. You know what? You know what worked? Get the ball to Jamar Chase and he figured the fuck out.

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The one time he did throw to T. Higgins, it was a 50, 44-yard bomb for a touchdown.

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Again, and that's cool. It's just the game plan was find number one. Yeah. Throw it to number one. Throw it to the guy. That number, that number isn't two, but one. Throw it to Jamar Chase. Yeah. And that's all you have to fucking do to win football games. Because you know why? He's that fucking good. Yeah, he is. And you know what would have helped is win the football game? Didn't run the ball fucking second and nine. I will not get over that. Second and fucking nine. Two minute row is like, let's run the ball.

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It was a bad time to run. But you guys did run effectively all game long.

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My nigga, it is second and nine. It's within the last two minutes, and you're losing. That ball does not go on the fucking ground.

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You're not wrong.

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Yes. That is like football taboo. Oh, yeah, for sure. I am not a coach, but I promise you, I'm not calling it.

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You only run the football at that point if you're trying to run the clock out. You're winning.

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You are running that ball three fucking times to get the first down and get it in the ways three timeouts. Right. Yes. If you are down, you gotta go win the football game. Never touches the running back's hand. Right, yeah. You throw it. That ball is going from center to quarterback to receiver to a tight end. Right, because at least if it's a drop, if it's touching. Yeah. He had motherfucking bed being on a goddamn out route. Yeah.

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You guys were in the football on Smash AP Ryan. Nine carries, 94 yards, and touchdown. That makes you feel better. I hate this nigga. Jace Brown, 12 carries, 73 yards and touchdown.

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Again, I'm not sure.

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Joe Flacco had a touchdown running.

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I don't give a fuck. We lost to the Jets. Hate it. Because this dumb nigga calls the worst fucking play. He's not good. Not good at his job. And our defensive court that I hope you don't have kids. Because they should be disappointed in your dumb ass. If you if your father's alive, I hope he disowns you. What the fuck are you doing?

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It wasn't the decision.

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I watched this motherfucker. I was watching this play. He left Garrett Wilson one-on-one.

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Garrett Wilson did not play in this game. So it was Tyler Johnson or the running back? It wasn't even fucking Garrett Wilson. Tyler Wilson.

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Who the fuck were they leaving one-on-one that was torching us all game?

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Tyler Johnson, three perceptions, 64 yards, and a touchdown.

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Who is this nigga? Brandon off the practice squad. Was I I was just that angry. I was blinded. Garrett Wilson didn't even play in this game? No. I didn't play at all. I'm gonna tweak the fuck out. I didn't even have to face Garrett Wilson. They probably would have put up 80 on our fucking heads if Garrett Wilson was out there. That makes me feel even worse. I would have preferred if he was out there and I would. So you're talking. They were just getting torched by some fucking random and a running back.

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Their second leading rush, the second leader receiver was their running back, Isaiah Davis. Who the fuck is that? I know He had five catches for 44 yards.

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Now I'm just hating.

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Now I'm just fucking angry.

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I don't blame you, dude. This is this is a game where you thought, like, if you're looking at how your team is playing, you're like, oh, we just beat the Steelers. We should dogwalk. We should dog walk the Jets. The Jets that did not have win.

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Everybody else has fucking dog walked. Why is it that the Bengals are like No, I want to lose this game. Yeah, they found a way. We're gonna lead for most of the game and then let's proceed to lose this game. And then let Zach Taylor start calling plays. Yeah. He should never have a job in the NFL again. He is probably a fire offensive coordinator. I don't I don't know.

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I don't know about that. You're right.

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You're right.

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I don't know, because he's calling plays right now and it's not going well.

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We gotta stop that shit. I need somebody else calling plays because this nigga needs to stop calling plays.

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It was a struggle. And watching that game was an absolute it was a dogfight for no reason. It was a travesty, yeah, for sure. Letting those letting the Jets score 23 in the fourth quarter is an app was absolutely a asinine thing to watch, even with the Bengals defense being as bad as I know that they are. You would think that it's just like at some point you gotta like sack up and like go ahead and start getting some getting some stops, and they just couldn't do it. Not enough not enough, apparently. But one thing I will say it was a lot of credit to the Justin Fields. He talked about after this game about how he how he was like crying in his closet, like because of self-cause of all the people that are speaking down on him. And I'm like, you know what? I get it. He had a very bad week. Very bad week.

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Real quick, I'm happy for him. I like Justin Fields, always vowed for him as a quarterback.

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I think he's a good quarterback, I think he has problems, but I don't think he deserves to not be in the NFL.

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He doesn't deserve his owner talking trash about him in the middle of the week.

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Real quick, the Jets owner don't deserve to be an owner. He's probably one of the worst owners in the NFL.

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One of the worst owners. He didn't even earn the money that he has. He was a trust fund kid. Nepo baby. Nepo baby. And he was given his money from his father that actually did all the money making. And now he has an NFL team where he's not even doing the do what he needs to do there. So it was an absolute travesty to witness the Bengals losing that game when they had no business doing so. But you know, like you said, I I did say Joe Flacco sucked, but he did not play all that terribly. I I just saw that one play that he couldn't make there in the fourth quarter. But again, it was only because the defense gave up so much that he didn't need to. Right, exactly. If y'all should have been running the clock out and doing your thing there, but your defense was just so god-awful, they just kind of like it became such a big a big moment in the fourth quarter where it didn't need to be need to be. Alright, so down bad for the Bengals, looking up for the Jets, going to the next game, Patriots, Browns. Game wasn't all that close. I will say it was nice to see because this was been our this has been our going argument about uh Miles Garrett, about him being a stat patter. Miles Garrett had five sacks in this football game. It totally showed why the uh the right ta sorry, the left tackle that they drafted.

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Dude, you're talking about how short his arms were, and it didn't show until I was watching Miles Garrett fucking push this motion. Oh my god. He couldn't even reach that.

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That was the first time I've seen Miles Garrett play most of a game on the left tackle.

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Against the left tackle, he did not move, and he was eating. And all he can do is try to grab his arm.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, he didn't even reach his fucking shoulder. Real monster. He's not even reaching his shoulder, and I'm like, oh, your little arms might come into effect with guys like Miles Garrett. Now there's very few guys like Miles like Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett is an alien. It's just you pick the one dude where you're not even he wasn't even touching his shoulder.

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And the Browns knew that, and Miles Garrett stayed on him all day long. And it was again, he had five sacks in this game, and they still lost by 21 points.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:10

That's the other crazy part. How do you have five sacks and you still lose? Real quick, Dylan Gabriel is a fucking shit show. There is I if I am sure if I am Shador, I am fucking tweaking.

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He did not, he was not available last game because of that of a background.

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It wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered. He would have never gotten the game. Dylan Gabriel, he is allergic to throwing the ball down the field.

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No, he is a check-down merchant.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:36

And it doesn't fucking work. Well, quit, real quick, Quinton Juckins wasn't having a good game, and I told you, and I was last podcast was like, as long as Quinton Juckins is there, Dylan Gabriel will have a job. Quenton Juckins disappeared that game. And you know who's close to losing their fucking job? Dylan Gabriel.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:51

No question. He had one big throw that he tried to make. It was too long, and the cornerback was just able to, you know, do a one-handed catch because it was just a it was a very bad pass that he made. But it was just, yeah, it was a bad game all around for that for the Cleveland offense.

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Dylan Gabriel's not a sorry quarterback. Yeah, he knows a fucking backup.

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Again, I don't think he should have been, but the Browns thought enough of him to draft him. But again, it's insane. Shador was probably pissed that he wasn't healthy enough to play in this game because I felt like they probably would have gone to him because of how bad it was going. Probably not. I think we've already come to an agreement that the coach, Kevin Stavansky, is more than willing to put his job on the line because of how not a fan he is of Shador Sanders. But the Patriots did their thing, man. Drake May played absolutely awesome. 18-24, 282 yards, three touchdowns in the back. If he's healthy, I think I feel like they have to start having the conversation at least. But that's my thing. What is their expectation? Are they trying to keep losing games? I again, I'm not even sure if Shador plays that he's going to be much better than what Dylan Gabriel is. But you gotta try. Like, for what you've seen from Dylan Gabriel, you know it's an automatic L. It's not gonna get any better. So, like, so yeah, I get what you're saying. They probably just need to try it just to see what happens. But, you know, it's it just sucks when Miles Garrett is pissed on the sideline because he was played so well it didn't mean shit.

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No, you took the money.

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He did take the money.

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You signed your own death warrant.

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He had he had his moment when he was making his case about how he wants to get traded, and they put a nice big pile of cash in front of him, and he said, What problems did I have? So you're right, he probably has no right to complain now.

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You signed your own death warrant. It's no fault.

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He did claim it. There is a plan for quarterback position, and this plan sucks ass. So he took the money. He now has to sit where he's at and like rub his nose in it. It's like when a dog poops on the carpet, Miles Garrett's nose is getting shoved all in it and saying, Ha, this is what you signed up for. This is why you took all that money to go deal with this bullshit. But yeah, no, he made that, he made the he made the tackle look bad.

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But I don't feel bad for him. Everyone in their mom was like, Yeah, you probably you should have left.

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Oh, yeah, he had his opportunity. And they threw the money in front of him, threw the money at him, and he's like, Yeah, I'll take that. Um, but yeah, like I said, Drake May played awesome. Even with all the sacks that he had, he was taken to the ground a lot. He got sacked six total times in this game. He played well, threw the football around to everybody. Trayvon Henderson, like I said, last I said last part is that they weren't using him a lot. They did. They gave him 10 carries. He had 75 rushing yards. He played well, had a 27-yard long run. Um, and they just kind of kept throwing the football over the place, and the Browns defense couldn't stop that. If they weren't sacking him, they weren't stopping anything else. So, because they were able to run the football, the Patriots are able to run the football for over 170 yards. So it was an all-around very good performance by the Patriots, and that's another one. Their fans don't deserve a good team, and it looks like they're starting to get a good team now. And that piss we talked about this last pod. They don't deserve it. They don't deserve it. And Drake may is starting to play like maybe a top 10 type of dude. He's starting to really put it together, and he's throwing the football over the place. He's running when he has opportunities. He's like a mini Josh Allen, man. It's like what he's looking like right now. Oh no, what why? Why do you say no to that?

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:28

Follow Josh Allen.

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No, I'm just talking about in his play style. The running, the big arm. Okay, alright. My bad. My bad. Sorry, sometimes I forget how much you hate him. Um, Eagles Giants. Eagles win the game 38-20. Rest in peace, Cam Scadaboo.

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Dude.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:47

That broken ankle was gross. It looked broken.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:52

It was bad. It was just dislocated.

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It was big.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:55

Dude, I looked at it, I was like, that's just dislocated. If that's just dislocated, I am never.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:02

It was gross. It was gross to look at. Oh, it okay. So you he got tackled by one guy and his foot got caught.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:08

Yeah, and it fell behind him. Real quick, that's just dislocated.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:12

But he's done for the rest of the year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:13

He had torn some type of tendon.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:15

Oh, he definitely tears. Like it will just dislocated that bad. You're tearing something.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:19

He tore something in his ankle. Yeah. But again, I think we'll be fine. Everybody said it's not, it wasn't as bad as it looked.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:25

The problem is that he already doesn't, he's not necessarily a gifted athlete. So when you experience an injury like that, a lot of times that takes away a little bit of what you are. And if he wasn't that supreme of an athlete to begin with, and he was more of a tough dude.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:39

Losing any explosiveness is bad for him. It's a problem.

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So I'm like, I wonder what's going to start to turn into, especially when they were on a good run there. Him, uh Jackson Dart, they together they were really providing a spark for this Giants team. This game didn't go well. Saquon, I here's my thing about Saquon. No matter how he's been playing not that good this year. And then he sees a giant Giants uniform on the other side, and he's like, let's turn into Prime Saquon again. Look like Adrian Peterson out there. And literally the second play of the game, he runs for like a 70-something yard touchdown. He says, fuck y'all. I'm going to show y'all how good I am.

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I'm going to show out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:14

Every time, every time he sees that uniform, he's like, I'm going to make y'all look stupid every single time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:20

Flashback. I won't be here. Get me out of here. Get me out of Matt Life. I won't go home.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:24

Every time, dude, he just he had his game. They didn't need the AJ Brown didn't even play in this game. It didn't matter because Saquon went absolutely apeshit on this Giants team. He had 150 yards total rushing. He also in a touchdown. And then he also had four receptions for 24 yards receiving and a touchdown on top of that. So every time that Saquon Barkley sees this Giants team, he absolutely goes insane. And when he runs like that, guess what? You don't need Jalen Hurts to run to throw a lot. Jalen Hurts, 15-20, 179 yards, and four touchdowns. He gets to be more efficient, does not throw the football a lot. He got a couple touchdown throws to Dallas Goddard. Jahan Dodson got a touchdown catch. It's just like AJ Brown wasn't there to start bringing down the move.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:15

Everything else goes well. Everything else goes well. It's just they're not running the ball well. Because everybody knows what you're doing. You're going to run the ball.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:22

Well, it's not even just that. I do think that Saquon was having a like he wasn't looking like himself.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:27

No, and he hasn't been.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:28

He looks like So is this moment just him turning it around for the whole season? Where's this a one-time deal? It's a one-time deal. I I don't know. Again, I'm not saying he's washed. I'm just saying that it just has not looked like he did last year. Maybe it's just because of how heavy of a year it was that maybe he needed a little bit more time to kind of get the juices flowing. But if they keep if they can get the rest of the season for Saquon to run like that, I think it really does turn their season around. The problem is that if Saquon does start to heat up and then AJ Brown comes back, the whole AJ Brown wanting the ball and all this, the passing offense is going to become more and more of an issue. And it's going to be harder and harder to look at AJ Brown and say, hey, you're the problem. Everything's fine. So that part is a little bit iffy. But Devontae Smith came out and played well. Six receptions, 84 yards and a touchdown. Not no touchdown. Six receptions, 84 yards. He got the ball plenty. And the Giants, man, is just without Cam Scattaboo, he wasn't there to play. Jackson Darton didn't play all that well. They couldn't run the football once Cam was let out of the game. The Eagles just kind of did that thing where they just start, it's like a ball rolling downhill once they start rolling. It's very hard to stop.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:36

Is this a Giants team that you foresee getting better next year?

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:40

I think Jackson Dart has a real chance to be a dude. I really do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:45

And I think he's been playing well. I think having a run game does help him. Oh, yeah, for sure. As any quarterback, it props you up a little bit better. So now, what is this week eight?

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:56

Yeah, this is week eight, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:58

So trade deadlines this week?

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:00

You think they trade for it back? No, they have like this week or next week. You think they trade for it back?

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:05

Probably not. Again, they I don't think they see themselves as like a playoff team.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:10

I don't either, but I still think I don't want my quarterback out there disheartened.

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Do you know what I say? You know what I say? It's a shame they don't have Malik neighbors.

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It is a shame.

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Because if they had Malik neighbors with how their offense is looking, because as of right now, they really don't have they have Wandale Robinson at wide receiver, but then nobody else. But imagine being able to put Malik neighbors out there. I think it'll open up their offense so much more. And the fact that Jackson Dart actually has an arm that can throw the football downfield.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:34

Brian Dayball has saved his job for another year.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:37

Oh, yeah, for sure. No matter how this season goes, is that hey, we put out the young guy, he looks like he's gonna be good. You don't want to start with a brand new coach next year, do you?

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No, you do not. So I do think he has saved his job.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:48

He is. And they found a quarterback that they have a future with, and I think it just makes a lot easier.

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He'd be a better coordinator than a coach.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:55

Probably. But I also think that there's not going to be a coach out there that's gonna be an obvious upgrade over him, and especially if Dayball can kind of look at you and say, hey, I made Jackson Dart look good, and I'm gonna be the key for him to keep looking good for his whole career. So he did save his job for the season. But he used for the season. Malik Neighbor's injury didn't help when it comes to so you have that obvious excuse.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:18

What do you see this team targeting going towards a draft? They don't really need to target defense.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:24

Yeah, they have so many defensive secondary. Secondary.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:27

Their secondary is awful. They could probably, but you think they go for maybe like an early round offensive lineman?

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:31

Corner. Their offensive line actually isn't bad. They really don't.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:34

Or maybe they go for another weapon.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:35

Uh probably, but again, no Malik neighbors, you would like to have maybe another guy, but I don't think they're gonna go for another first round receiver because that's another guy you're gonna have to pay. But they need secondary help very badly. You think they go for another back? I don't know how you can truly expect Cam Scadaboo to come back and fully healthy and be ready for the colour.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:53

We can all agree his career was never gonna be super long.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:56

Oh no, it was never gonna be. He was gonna be a six-year guy. Here for a good time, not a long time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:00

Like that was it. I expected six, five or six years, good years from him, and that was it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:04

But it started off so hot, it makes you start thinking, like, oh, what if this is truly a thing? I know, but again, he's not that fast.

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He's not, he's not that big, he's a tough guy, he's a decent receiving receiving back, no question. A lot better than I assumed he was coming out. Yeah. Um, he's a great gadget running back. Yeah, but he's not, I'm gonna tote the ball 25 times.

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He's not he's not one of the special running backs that way.

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No, he's nothing special, but he's a great guy to have one in a locker room, two, your fans love him. Three, he's great with your rookie quarterback. Right. So he's a guy that'll probably stay around the Giants for a long time, regardless of injury or not.

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They will definitely need more guys. Oh, yeah, for sure. No, he definitely brings the vibes.

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Heck, I like him. I think he's I everything I've seen of him, I follow up, I think all 32 teams that have a TikTok. I follow him all. And I like seeing him. He's a cool guy. He's a lot of energy. A lot of energy. And for a team that was as desolate as the Giants.

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Him, him and Jackson Dart together, they really did bring the energy. No questions asked. But I Eagles, man, they're just ball rolling downhill. Giants really had no shot. That was a split that I got because I picked the Eagles and you picked the Giants.

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I know, but last time they fucking whopped the Giants the Eagles, and I was so ready for it to happen again. And I was watching, I was like, well, this is going downhill fast. Yeah, it's not good. Turn that bitch off.

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Bills, Panthers, 40-9, Bills won. Game wasn't close. Uh the red rifle did not play all that well. He was playing terribly. Is it crazy to say that I I thought he was gonna be better than what uh uh Bryce Young Bryce Young was gonna give you. Like I obviously, because I I don't know. Maybe Bryce Young does have a little bit more talent, but he's just not big. You ever seen Andy Dalton play? I've seen Andy Dalton get you guys to his two playoffs.

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And then what? Nothing after that. Absolute fucking meltdown.

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But this Panthers team is awful. Like they're bad. Like their defense is bad. I thought I thought him to Tech McMillan was going to be more explosive than it truly ended up being. He had to he did have seven receptions for 99 yards. But this Bills team, Cook, James Cook had a career day.

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Dog.

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Dog 19 carries, 216 yards, and two touchdowns. Went absolutely insane in this in this football game. And honestly, that's all they needed. Josh Allen only had to throw the football 19 times because of how good they were at running the football. And I think Josh Allen also had two rushing touchdowns in this game as well. Did he? Yeah, he had two rushing touchdowns because it was a couple quarterback sneaks. But this game was not close. Carolina was bad. Buffalo, when everything's working, if they can keep running the football this effectively and kind of lessen the load on Josh Allen, it'll only make him better for when he does need to turn on the Josh Allen Superman plays. So I just think if they can keep this type of play up, I think they'll be a very hard team to face. But again, I don't think their defense is gonna their defense is gonna get tested more by other teams than what the Panthers showed out to be on that day. Um, Bears, Ravens, we both called this. We both thought Lamar Jackson was gonna play, and then the news came out on Saturday that he wasn't gonna play, and he was downgraded to out. But so that was a whole ordeal, especially with all the gambling stuff that, oh, they said that he was gonna be able to play, and then on Saturday they changed their mind and said downgraded him to out, which is kind of crazy with all that happening. But Ravens came out, Snoop Huntley, they came out, they showed out, and I think they he played very well. The Ravens came and they won 30 to 16. The Bears did not really show up offensively whatsoever. Caleb Williams, 25 of 38 for 285 yards and interception, even when they were winning four games in a row, it wasn't because of Caleb Williams. He wasn't a problem, but he wasn't the reason they were winning. They were mostly running the football, playing some decent defense, and they were able to do it that way. But if they can't become a team, like if Caleb's gonna be the guy that's not the bus driver, but the guy that's kind of like being in the in the sidecar, I don't know how they're gonna be able to do this long term. But I just against this Ravens team, Ravens came out, played well. Derrick Henry, 21 carries, 71 yards, two tutties. And like I said, Snoop Huntley played well. He had a touchdown pass, but he went 17 to 22. And Caleb Williams did have that one pick. It was definitely a bad one that he threw. But it's just we both saw the Ravens winning, but again, we thought it was gonna be with Lamar Jackson. Snoop Huntley came out, played well enough for them to win. That's exactly what they did. Next game, Texans-Niners. I didn't think I when we were picking games, I picked against the Texans because I was like, oh, who's gonna be getting after CJ Stroud today? I said that if they won, I was gonna be happy to be wrong, and I am very happy to be wrong because the Texans went out there and they beat the Niners 26 to 15. CJ Stroud had a since a vintage CJ Stroud game. He went 30 of 39 for 318 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. He they ran the football for over 157 yards total, and they didn't even have Nico Collins in this game, and they still ran the football and threw the football that effectively. Their leading receiver was Xavier Hutchinson, and they went in their do you know in the first half, the Houston Houston held the ball for 26 of 30 minutes in the first half. That's how dominant that defense was against the San Francisco offense in the first half. Mac Jones did not play well. 19 of 32, 193 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. They did try to like muster up some offense there in the second half, try to get back, make the game a little bit closer than it was. They couldn't run the football effectively. Christian McFarland, they only ran for 48 yards total in this game. And it wasn't even like Christian McCaffrey was able to catch the football either. He had three three catches for 43 yards. But like I told, like I've been saying all year, this Houston defense is absolutely amazing.

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And if their offense can get what I was betting on is the defense being amazing, and that's all you kind of have to bet on.

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Do you know what I didn't bet on? The fact that San Fran doesn't have any sort of pass rush.

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That's what I was saying. I was like, they have no defense.

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I know, but the thing is that I've been seeing so many people get after CJ, and I'm sitting here like, what that offensive line is just going to be awful. But guess what? They actually face a defensive line that doesn't have any type of dudes to get pressure, and they actually look decent. They were able to run the football, they protected him, and he was able to throw the football over the field. And I'm like, if they could just get play like this every week, Houston would probably win a Super Bowl if their offensive line can just be decent. But I just can't trust that on a week in, week out basis. But it was still very nice for them to go out there and beat up on a San Francisco 49ers team like they did. And I was very proud because it's just one of those games that's like if you want to try to forget what CJ brings you when he just feels a little bit of a little bit of positivity about his protection, he can go out there and sling it with the best of them. Next game, Buccaneers Saints. Buccaneers win the game 23-3. This game was ugly offensively for the Buccaneers. Baker Mayfield really didn't do anything. 15-24, 152 yards, a touch, zero touchdowns, zero picks. But again, he didn't make the bad play, but their offense really wasn't getting consistent whatsoever. Their leading rusher was Sean Tucker, 12 carries, 42 yards, and a touchdown. Like really, Tez Johnson was leading receiver. Mech didn't really do much. He had three catches for 33, 35 yards. And I think this is mostly about the New Orleans Saints playing terribly. Spencer Rattler played awful, 15 of 21 for 136 yards and a pick. That pick being a pick six. Tyler Shuck, the guy, their guy they just drafted in the second round again uh from the Cardinals. Yeah, from Louisville. He came in, went 17 of 30, 128 yards, zero touchdowns, and a pick. They couldn't run the football. Again, we've already we've said from the get-go that the Saints team might be the worst team in the NFL. And we were only questioning that because of how bad the Jets have been this year. And what from what we've seen from the Jets this week and what we saw from the Saints, I think it's now very easy to say the Saints are the by far the worst team in the NFL. And guess what? The news is they're going to actually start Tyler Shuck going into next game.

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Oh, so they're going to lose a game by 80.

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Uh, again, I I mean you kind of disagreed on this last pod, is that you were like how bad saying how bad Spencer Rattler has been. And I was actually positive. I think he had actually done some really good things this year, uh, other than the fact that like he can't control the fact they don't have an offensive line. They don't really have like other than they had do have some decent weapons in Chris Olave and Rasheed Shaheed and uh Juwan Johnson, I believe they're tight end, but their defense is bad. So I'm sitting there like all of it together, they just don't have enough, especially against some better teams. But the mistakes that Spencer Rattler was making in this game, it was very hard for them not to try to go see what they have in the young guy they just drafted in the second round. So I don't necessarily agree that he was the issue as to why they're losing football games, but I do get the idea that if they're going to lose anyway, they may as well throw the young guy out there and see what it if he can become their guy for the future. Next one, we got Cowboys Broncos. Another split that we had. I picked the Cowboys because I thought I was being a rebel. And the Broncos went and played their most complete game they have played all season long.

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That supposed me that puts me up two. Yes, I have.

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No, you were you were up one last week.

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Puts me up two.

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So I think you're up two now. Hold on, I took a picture of the notebook. I didn't bring I didn't bring the notebook, but I took a picture of the notebook with the records on it. Chill out. Overall, I am 68, 38, and one. You are 70-36 and one. So you're up two now. Let's go. So I thought I was being a rebel. I was thinking, oh, the Broncos haven't played a complete game all year. Broncos came out and played their best game. Bonecks, 19-29, 247 yards and four touchdowns. This game wasn't close. The Cowboys sucked. Especially offense. Like their defense has been again, their defense has been awful all year. And we were saying that, oh, the Cowboys' offense has been great. But in this game, they just could not get anything going offensively. Let's see here. The Dak went 19 of 31, 188 yards, zero touchdowns, two picks. Two very bad picks, by the way. They didn't run the football all that effectively. George Pickens was a leading receiver, but they didn't get any touchdowns out of that. They didn't get that one touchdown from Jalen Tolbert until late in the game. But Broncos just dominated this game from start to finish. J.K. Dobbins got going running the football. RJ Harvey, their back of their young running back, got two touchdowns in this game running. And I think he also had a passing resing, no, sorry, not passing touchdown. He had a touchdown catch as well in this game. So RJ Harvey went off for them in this game, had three touchdowns total. And the Broncos played their best game of the year. If they could play like that all season, they'd be one of the best teams in the league. They'd be one of the best teams in the NFL. But you can't get that because, you know, not only is their team not that consistent, but old boy Bo Nicks is not that consistent. So but again, credit to the Broncos, they won this game.

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Hey, uh, two things. One, I was right that uh Jonathan Taylor was a stat pattern. Two.

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I was getting to that game next to anyway. I know, that's why I'm talking about it.

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I kind of know we're out in the sleep. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor's a stat patter. Go ahead. He has 15 touchdowns.

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Colts win the game against the Titans. 38 to 40. He's gonna ignore me now. I'm gonna get to it.

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Give me my dudes.

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I want to give Daniel Jones his credit before we get to the stat pattern you call him. He's a stat pattern. Daniel Jones, 21 to 29 for 272 yards and three touchdowns. I'm just I have to give Daniel Jones his credit because he might become my champion against the Chiefs. Because there's really nobody else. This Colts team looks like the best team in the NFL, to be totally honest with you. Again, they're doing it against a very bad tech tight Tennessee Titans team that have no coach, and that the Cam Ward cannot get any protection at all. And when it comes to weapons, he really doesn't have any. So I'm not gonna sit here and like the Colts have been good all year. They've played well. I've been surprised by them. But to get to Jonathan Taylor, the guy that you said is a stat patter, he's doing very well at it. 12 carries, 153 yards, and two touchdowns.

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More than half the stats have come from four games, two of those being the Titans.

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And then he also had two catches for 21 yards and a touchdown.

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It does not dude. This nigga is scoring all of it touchdowns. He has scored almost all of his touchdowns except three. Yes. Yes. Against four teams. But here's the thing some would say impressive if he was still doing shit against the other fucking team.

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He's still averaging over 100 yards a game. No. The fuck he's not.

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70 to 80 yards a game against the other nobody. He's averaging that fucking high because he did so fucking much against four fucking teams. This nigga has 600 yards on four fucking teams and 12 touchdowns. Yeah, but it's still hard to do that. Running back. Not against the Titans. Not on the Titans. Alright, fine. Their own. Fine. Their own. And I'm gonna honest with you. Cam Ward is a star. He is that fucking good. Cam Ward is good.

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He's sitting back. He's a he is a soldier sitting back there taking the hits. He's taking the things that means trying to make the throws real quick.

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He is elite. He is a great fucking quarterback. I give fuck what no one says. This motherfucker looked at me two weeks ago and said, we are fucking, we are garbage. We are trash. And you know what? Jonathan Taylor's like, you're right.

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He is, yeah, very much the I'm gonna put up my numbers.

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What's this? Numbies. Numbies. This motherfucker put has done all his work against four fucking teams. Pull up Miles Garrett's that this nigga's done all his work against like three of them bitches.

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Again, five sacks against one team. Yeah, I get it. I get what you're saying. But Jonathan, it's harder to do that. It's easier to be a stat patter at defensive end because you can pick out your matchup. But Jonathan Taylor's doing this against a whole defensive man.

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I get to play tight twice a year.

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God is good. God is good. Yeah, but he also did against the Raiders. Look, man, I I the stat padding thing you're right about. I'm right. But his stat padding is very impressive.

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It is. It's impressive. What you're doing is impressive. He's a fucking monster. It's very hard to stop him. You are putting up numbers that I put up on fucking UL Monroe every week. Yeah, that's what he's doing. But real quick, when I come up to play like a fucking Florida, I'm not doing that. But again, you'd play Titans twice a week.

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They do have to pay the, they still have to play the Texans twice. If he can have a game like this against the Texans, I think you'd have a better, a different conversation.

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If he doesn't have a game like this against the Texans, I want you to know this nigga is stat padding. Because Joe, I need you to know he's not having that kind of game.

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I'm just gonna tell you right now, other than playing the Texans, their schedule is not all that hard. They play the Steelers next week, he's gonna run for a billion yards. They then play the Falcons, can't stop the run either. They do play the Chiefs, it's gonna be a little harder against them. But then they play the Texans, that'll be a hard game. But then they play the Jags, who can't stop the run.

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This motherfucker is playing teams. Legit, every team he has played so far can't stop the fucking run.

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They'll play the Seahawks. My bad. Their defense is better, but they're not really gonna be able to get the game.

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So he put up numbers on the Raiders, the Cardinals, the Chargers, the Chargers, and the Titans twice. Yeah. So five fucking teams that can't stop the fucking run. And then he plays a shit ton of other teams that can't stop the run. Yeah. But those, real quick, he didn't really put any touchdowns up on against Cardinals.

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No. He had a touchdown. He ran for 123 yards against Cardinals.

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Okay, so this so 13 of this nigga's touchdowns have been against shitty fucking defenses. So he scored two touchdowns in like 300 yards against everybody else.

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The tough team that they the toughest team they faced so far is. Was the Rams and this nigga did nothing. He had 76 yards off 17 carries.

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And the week before when they played the Raiders, or was the week after when they played the Raiders? How many yards do you have? The week after against the Raiders. How many yards did you have then?

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66 and three touchdowns.

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This nigga stabbed. This is I'm blowing this team out. I'm gonna throw up some touchdowns.

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Look, I it's still very impressive. He still has to go out there and take the beating or take put give out the beatings to everybody else.

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They put this nigga on the one, like hey, watch this shit.

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Look, man. It's still impressive. I I think it's it's harder to do that at running back than it is at other positions.

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Yes, but it becomes less impressive when again on the pattern. If you go up there and do this on the Texans, but if I watch you just fucking just demolish the Steelers, that's just not impressive. Everybody's doing that all you.

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Oh, yeah, you're telling me. I'm um I'm getting ran through.

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If you go up there and the Texans fucking stuff your ass.

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Texans are a different animal.

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I need you to know that's the best, one of the probably the best defense in the NFL right now.

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Probably the best defense.

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If he goes up there and gets fucking stuffed, I want nothing from you. And I need you to tell me I was right.

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I will If Okay, if this motherfucker stuff, the first time they play this Texans, if he gets stuffed and doesn't have a decent game, because again, if he goes for 100 yards, that's a touchdown.

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We're talking about decent on the Texans is like 70 in a touchdown. Yeah. That's a decent game. If this motherfucker goes up there and gets less than fucking 50, I'm tweaking.

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Okay, fine. I'll be ready to give my concession speech about Jonathan Taylor if he has a bad game against them. I'll tell I'll eat that. I'll eat that. But as up to this point, he's playing awesome.

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Yes, I'm talking a bad game as he's he's attempted 20 times. Anyway, this nigga only has 24 yards.

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Okay, fine. Again, if they're doing that, let's be honest. If they're stat padding now, if he starts to not play well, they're not gonna give him all those carries. True.

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But again, you have not played a defense that can stop the fucking running. The only one you did stuffed you.

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Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I think you have to. And some people are starting to say that about Daniel Jones that, oh, if they can't run the football and it's put more on Daniel Jones's shoulders, what will he be? But from what I've seen, he's played some very good football. And uh, they might be right.

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They are because when the Giants couldn't run the football, the you this nigga was trash.

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Yeah, but the Giants were ass at everywhere. The Colts actually have a team.

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They do, they do.

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They have a good offensive line. I don't they don't have a superstar receiver, but they have a but they have a good stable of receivers.

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Yes, they have a they have good quality receivers. None of them are number ones, but they're all consistent enough to be good.

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Like Michael Pittman Jr. is like he's like an awesome, like he's he's like a low-tier one. He's like a low-tier one.

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They're high tier two, because T. Higgins is a low-tier one, and he's not as good as T. Higgins.

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Okay, fine. I I think if Michael, if Michael Pittman Jr. was put on that offense with with Chase on the other side, Michael Pittman, he would be offense.

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Who's having a better season?

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T.

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Higgins would dog the game. With Joe Burrow? No, no. If you were to swap them.

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Just right now.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, I do think. T.

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Higgins is a superstar.

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Yes, they have similar sizes, but when it comes to athleticism, when it comes to burst, T. Higgins has a little bit more. For sure. I'm just but I'm just saying, they they have a very good team.

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He is athletic. For a receiver, he is not as athletic as he needs to be. I think a lot of what he does is I'm bigger than you. At his size. No.

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No, don't say that. Michael Pittman Jr. Oh, let me let's let's get it out here. I don't think he's as big as T. Higgins.

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How big is he? 6'4, 220. T. Higgins is 6'4.

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Okay, fine. Great. Okay. But I don't think he's like, I don't I I think he's fine. I don't think he's a like super speedy guy, but I think he does his job well. And again, they don't need him to be a superstar, they just need him to do his job, and that's exactly what they're getting.

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I don't I don't hate Michael Pittman Jr. because he knows what he is. You are a big receiver. Be a big receiver. Yeah. But when I say things and I'm right, this nigga's not getting separation. I'm bigger than you. I'm six foot four. Daniel Joe's gonna throw this bitch up. Not on purpose. He didn't mean to throw it that high. And I'm gonna have to go get it.

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Don't disrespect him. He's having an awesome year.

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I know, but you made you laugh.

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He's my champion. I need him.

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You made you laugh.

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We need him. I don't need shit.

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I don't need shit.

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Joe Burrow is not gonna be your champion for the year, so we need somebody else.

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Joe Burrow is my champion always. Joe Burrow is the only undefeated quarterback in the NFL. Okay. Nigga. Yeah, bitch. Fuck you. Joe Burrow's undefeated.

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That's an awesome spin zone out of you. I never thought that you could have such a spin zone, but you did it. That was impressive, sir. Handshake. That was deserved. That was good. That was impressive. That's a good spin zone. Only undefeated quarterback in the NFL. Awesome. Very good by you. That was great. But yes, Daniel Jones might have to be my. I've been saying this for weeks. He'll have to be our savior because against the Chiefs, they're the Death Star again. Um, next game, Sunday night. Steelers, Packers. What did I say would happen? We would go get dog walked by the Packers. And this game was close until the fourth quarter. Well, sorry, halfway through the third quarter. And then Mr. Jordan Love then did, then completed 20 straight passes against the Steelers to absolutely dog walk us. They scored 21 points in the fourth quarter, and then we were buried before we even knew it. This game wasn't pretty. And I will say it's not even Aaron Rodgers' fault. He was fine in this game. He wasn't explosive, but he wasn't terrible. It wasn't his fault we were losing this game. It was our defense once again, not able to stop anything. And again, it was looking close there for a little bit. And then once the Packers decided, hey, let's go ahead and start really doing some things. Do you know the leading receiver in this game? Tucker Kraft. They're tight end. Yeah, he was seven receptions, 143 yards, and two touchdowns. And they said like most of his yardage, like over 100 yards worth of his yardage, was after the catch. Could not stop him whatsoever. They didn't run the football that great, but it didn't matter because they threw the football all over the place. Rodgers played fine, 24 of 36, 219 yards, two touchdowns, zero picks. They couldn't run the football effectively. The leading receiver in this game was Roman Wilson. And DK Metcalf did have a touchdown, so he did what he had to do: five receptions, 55 yards. Packers beat us. That's what I knew was going to happen. I did not have any illusions about what was going to happen in this game. It happened. And here's my thing. Apparently there's news that the Steelers are Marquez Valdez Scantling, they're going to sign him to be their number two receiver. A guy that has not played football all goddamn season. So if he's was not good enough to get signed by any other team in the NFL, why would you sign him?

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I don't understand.

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And then apparently there's news they're going to try to make a big trade to help save this team. I'm done. Do not try to double and triple down on this dog shit ass team to go maybe win a playoff game. Even at your best, your best chance was to win a playoff game. But you're playing a lot worse than that right now. I don't uh a real cornerback that can cover. But guess what? That's what you went and tried to trade for Ramsey for. But guess what? He can't do that. He's getting cooked. Darius Lay, the cook, he is burnt toast at this point.

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Are you gonna tell me I was right about this not working?

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I never questioned.

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No, I never questioned that it wasn't gonna work. Fuck you. Fuck you. My main point was go fuck yourself. You said, no, it's gonna work. It's gonna be great. We're gonna move to safety. It's gonna work. Uh-uh. Not what I said. Go fuck yourself. If I have to find a podcast clip, I will beat your fucking ass. Jovante, do not play me. You were saying, oh no, this'll work. It'll work when a Mitt Ram's gonna move to safety and it'll work. You are fucking lying to me. Do not lie to me. I told you this shit will not fucking work. They're both old. They're both slow. You traded them for nothing. You lost. You're all pro fucking safety for a nigga that was old to sign another nigga that was old. And I told you this shit was fucking stupid.

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I never doubted that it was stupid.

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Joe Volante, I'm gonna beat your ass. I'm gonna whoop your fucking ass. You said it was fucking stuck. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm gonna whoop your ass. No, fuck everything you're about to say.

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I had optimism that it could work.

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I was not very high on it. I guaranteed you it was not.

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I was not willing to go the guaranteed route. That is where me and you did separate.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:07

I'm gonna pull a dude. If I have to sit back for a fucking week and find the goddamn podcast clip, I'm gonna send that bitch to you and I'm gonna crash into your fucking house. I'm gonna win your ass, dude. I'm heated right now. Because fuck you, you're fucking lying to me. You said this shit would work. You are fucking lying. Don't do this to me, Javante. I am a petty ass motherfucker. You said this shit would work.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:30

I said it had a better chance of working than what we were already doing. Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:33

Get the fuck out of here. That's what I said. Yeah, obviously working worse. It's bad. At least Minker Fitzpatrick Spector to at least, you know, bat a ball down. Mega's not playing well either. Let's be honest. Why would you play well in the Dolphins?

unknown: 1:42:46

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:47

That's a really good point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:48

I left two for two with ass, and y'all sent me back, and now they're still ass. I've been gone for eight years. How y'all niggas still bad? I've been gone for eight years. How y'all still bad?

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:00

Do you want to know the worst part about this? TJ Watt doesn't look the same either. No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:06

I don't why I don't want to be here no more.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:11

Well, they paid him. So, like, to a certain extent, you you get what you pay for. That's not his motivation. I know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:17

Lord knows that is not his motivation. We aren't winning.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:20

It's the whole defense not playing well. The defense coordinator sucks ass.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:23

This is Cam Hayward's last year.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:24

Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin is sucking ass. And they asked him about the defense coordinator. He's like, we don't need to change anything we're doing. We just need to play better. And I'm certainly like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not just an effort problem. This is a defense is an absolute mess problem. And when the offense is playing decently, I'm not saying they're playing great. They're playing decently. Now the defense wants to play like ass. And that's from the defensive coordinator down. And guess what? The person that hired him was Mike fucking Tomlin. So I don't want them to double or triple down on this goddamn ass of a football team. Swallow the fucking pill and go lose.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:04

Just be bad. Even if you get a top 15 pick. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:08

That's my biggest thing. Just follow because do you know what the news was coming into last week? Is that oh, the Steelers want Aaron Rodgers to come back for next year. And I'm like, why? Why would we want to like they just they are so against because again, I get it. They picked so bad with Pitt with uh Pickett last time that they don't want to have to go back to the quarterback carousel and try to go draft somebody again and take the chance. But you can't keep doing this shit. You got you gotta build towards something for the future. And again, as much as I love the team trying to play their best every year and trying to win every year, at some point you have to plan towards the future a bit to have a future. Like you can't keep doing this one year in, one year out scenario. And it like so it's time to bite the bullet, go take your L's and draft a quarterback and really go trade some dudes from the off this roster because they don't need to be here and really start trying to be a better team for the next five to ten years rather than just trying to be a best team you can every year. You got to change the way you do the things because it's not working, it's not working right now. And losing like that to the Packers this week was a shining example as to why they should not double or triple down on this thing and try to keep doing stuff because I'm just like it's not working, it's not working whatsoever. There's no singular, like you said, there's no singular move that's going to save this football team. And that and that's it. We already talked about the Monday night game. So that's it for all the recaps of all the games. It's insane. Uh, we did our already said what our records are coming into this week. And la the only last thing we have to do is do our preview of the Thursday night game coming up because we won't pot again until that until after that game. The week nine Thursday game is Baltimore at Miami. Ugh gross game, huh? It's it's hit and miss. Like sometimes they'll have very fire Thursday night games, and then you have this game. Absolutely insane. But did we talk about Minnesota and LA? We did. Oh, did you hear about um all the injuries that why am I forgetting the quarterback's name for Minnesota?

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:21

Oh, uh Carson Wentz.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:23

Carson Wentz. They said he's had a torn labrum since week five. That's crazy in his non-strowing shoulder, and they let him play for three weeks and then have us all talking trash about him last week as he was again, he was crying on the sideline, which is not very manly looking on a football team. But the fact that he has been rolling around with a torn labrum in that shoulder and now he's getting surgery, he'll be gone for the rest of the year. So, guess what the big problem is? They're gonna have to be stuck with JJ fucking McCarthy for the rest of the year. They don't even look like they like him. Absolutely insane that they have already turned so sour on him so quickly. But the fact that they were they were so convinced that they did not want to let JJ play, that they let Carson Wentz go out there and play with a torn labrum for three weeks is absolutely insane. That was in in not to tell anybody about it is also a problem because people are just saying, oh, again, I'm not gonna sit here and say Carson Wentz deserves anybody's pity because he's been an asshole for most of his career.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:19

See, you were talking about that and I really started reading on it. He's a dick.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:22

He's hated by everybody. So, but the one time he does go out there and he's just a good soldier, and then you don't say anything, it does make you look look real sleazy for letting that happen. And then now you want to talk about it after he gets the surgery and can't play for the rest of the year. So I hope the whole JJ experiment is as bad as it looks for the rest of the year, so you have to learn your lesson on that. But back to the Thursday game. Baltimore at Miami. Who would you pick? It's Baltimore. Why would we pick anybody else?

unknown: 1:47:48

Why would we pick Miami?

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:50

Well, the way Miami just played on Sunday, you'd think, oh, maybe there's something left in there. But guess what? Lamar will be back, he'll be ready to play. They'll have a lot of their defensive players back. And guess what Baltimore's gonna do now? They're gonna go ahead and win if most, if not all, the games left in their schedule. The Steelers are gonna lose the rest of the games in their schedule, and Baltimore's gonna be back owning the number one, owning the top spot in the AFC North, and they'll have a top four seed, and they'll go go play in the playoffs, and then lose to Patrick Mahomes as they're on their way to winning another Super Bowl. That's what's gonna happen. That's that's our season because the Steelers are gonna play like shit for the rest of the year, and Baltimore is gonna get their shit together, and Lamar is gonna play at the MVP level he had been playing before he got hurt, and that's gonna be it. That's that's that's the rest of the season because that's what the AFC North is. The Steelers are just barely above average. Baltimore is great. Cincinnati, who knows what what they are if they do not do or do not have Joe Burrow, and the Cleveland Browns are absolute dog shit. That's the future of the AFC North. But Baltimore will win this game on Thursday because they have no other option. Literally, every game is going to be their Super Bowl for the rest of the year, and Miami is not a good football, even though they did show, they showed they could play some good football when they lock in. But the problem is that can you expect Miami to play like that on a week in, week out basis? I'm not ready to do so. And we can't, and as good as Tua played last week, that's the best of what Tua can give you. And he's not gonna be that every week. That's just not what he is as a quarterback. So Baltimore's gonna win that game. It's gonna be pretty easy, and it's gonna be gross, a gross game because I think it'll be another blowout. And that's all I got. Oh, and by the way, did you see how bad the officiating was this weekend? There were guys fumbling footballs that they said never was a football. And then if I hear one more official say that they um they downed, they stopped the play for advan, what is it, what do they call it? Um when a running back runs forward, gets the uh gets a spot, and then is like pulled backward. What do they call it? Um forward progress. Forward progress. If they say they they stopped the play for forward progress one more time, but here's the problem they have microphones everywhere, and if we can't hear a goddamn whistle being whistled, you can't say that you blew your whistle to stop the play. That happened so many times. There was an obvious uh false uh encroachment, uh defensive false encroachment or the defense getting offsides. That's the play that's the call I was looking for. Offsides in the Steelers game when it was like an obvious offsides play that wasn't called. These officials are absolutely awful, and they just had a really bad weekend. They need to get their shit together. Because with all the betting shit going around about players and coaches um messing up games and doing prop bets and all that, the NFL is next because they're allowing just as much betting as the NBA. So you better get your shit together, officials, players, coaches, and make sure that you kind of get everything together before they start rearing their ugly eye at you. It's like, oh, what are you guys doing with the betting stuff? Because it was just a bad weekend for officials. And here's the thing officials are like the most susceptible people when it comes to betting stuff. They don't make a lot of money, the play everybody hates them, so why wouldn't they want to become a villain and just say, hey, I can just make a couple hundred thousand dollars if I go and mess with a couple games? If they start betting and like getting in with the mafia, like some of the people in the NBA were doing. So, like, officials, if they're on up, if they're already not liked, what what would stop them from going and doing other things to get some money out of it if they're already not going to be liked? But and it just it just doesn't help with all the betting stuff going on and then they're having a bad weekend. So I just had to mention it. But that's it. That's uh it for the podcast today. It's all we got. Did all the recasts we needed to do, talked about everything we wanted to talk about, so I'll end the podcast here. If you like the podcast, what? Yeah, we did all the recaps. Is there something else we want to talk about? Baltimore, Baltimore, and Miami. Did you just go on autopilot for the last 30 minutes? I guess I did. Yeah, that's all we got.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:04

Why was I sitting here thinking, hey, we had like 15 more games to talk about?

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:07

No, that's it. There's only 13 games this weekend. There's only 13 NFL games. There were six teams on by. Insane. But yes, if you're just now joining on, hopefully you hopefully you like when like what you're listening to. If you're just if you've been listening, thank you very much. And if you like us and enjoy us, if you could do a couple things for us, we'd appreciate if you could. Subscribe to the pod, rate the podcast uh five stars. And no, I messed that up. Like our podcast, rate the podcast five stars.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:36

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SPEAKER_01: 1:52:48

And share us with friends, family, enemies, anybody you think might enjoy our podcast. Hand it over to Joe to finish up the podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:56

Dang, I can't believe you just took that from me. That's wild. I I messed, I fumbled the bag. I fumbled the bag. You fumbled it. I fumbled twice, and it's so bad. You restarted.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:05

It was a second went to do it again. Yeah, it was so bad.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:08

So we're gonna leave it. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you guys for always listening. Have a nice day, have a nice night, and we will see y'all later this week. Goodbye, y'all. Goodbye, y'all.