From MVP Debates To Playoff Dreams: A Candid Tour Through College And NFL Storylines

Two mics, one rapid-fire ride through the messiest, most addictive corners of football. We kick off by unpacking why Aaron Judge can be the clear MVP while fans still feel empty without a parade, then veer into a cathartic meltdown over modern sports games—2K’s “goat mode” absurdity, Madden’s trade logic, and why college football dynasty and career modes actually respect your time. It’s sports, but honest: what’s fun, what’s broken, and what needs to be better.

From there, we drill into college football’s power structure. The rankings look SEC-heavy, and those 13–25 slots feel like résumé scaffolding for the brand names. We break down the weekend card with a tactical lens: why Iowa’s run-first script is a nightmare for USC, how Notre Dame can be tripped up by a fearless Pitt if they lose gap integrity, and where Penn State’s soft résumé makes Michigan State live. Ole Miss versus Florida is a test of consistency versus raw talent. And then there’s Ohio State—steamrolling in a way that invites doubt. We lay out why dominance without drama is still dominance, how the Buckeyes have built a winning machine with a measured QB ramp, and where the Heisman could swing on late-stage statement games.

The NFL segment hits at gut level. The Bengals’ fork-in-the-road moment—push Joe Burrow back into the fire or secure the top-10 pick that actually fixes the roster—sparks a broader conversation on trust, timelines, and the cost of chasing vibes over plans. Meanwhile, the Patriots under Mike Vrabel have a profile that just travels: physical identity, clean situational football, and real cultural buy-in. We cap it by running through the full slate with smart, no-fluff picks: Miami’s balance should bury Washington, Tampa Bay over a Bills offense that collapses when the run game stalls, Houston’s defense suffocates Tennessee, and a live Bears team against a Vikings locker room losing faith. The Rams can erase early deficits, the 49ers feast if Arizona is short-handed, Baltimore edges toward the AFC North crown, and Kansas City is out of runway—no more sleepy Sundays.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Back Together & Setting The Table
• 0:55 Judge’s MVP And Postseason Frustration
• 2:35 Sports Games Rant: 2K, Madden, Dynasty
• 7:57 College Football Rankings And SEC Weight
• 11:22 Week Preview: Eight College Games
• 24:09 Notre Dame vs Pittsburgh And Coaching Messages
• 31:07 Ohio State’s Dominance And Moving Goalposts
• 44:48 Heisman Paths, WR Matchups, And Scheme Talk
• 52:21 Bengals Spiral, Front Office Trust, And Roster Builds
• 1:07:01 Patriots Rise, Jets Struggles, And Vrabel Culture
• 1:16:25 NFL Picks Marathon: Matchups And Logic
• 2:05:00 Records, Housekeeping, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:09

Welcome Maggie Davis Podcast. Today is Friday, November the 14th. We're back to the podcast.

SPEAKER_06: 0:15

We are back, both of us. It is not a solo thing. We haven't done a podcast with both of us here in like in a minute. Now that I think about it now. It's been at least a couple weeks. But it had to come back at some point to give the uh people what they want, which is, you know, both of us, and me not just sitting here staring at a laptopslash wall, talking into nothingness. So we're back doing our thing, talking sports, doing all that, talking shit, also as a possibility, and we have plenty to talk about.

SPEAKER_01: 0:51

Which is a guarantee.

SPEAKER_06: 0:53

Probably. First off, we had a little bit of a discussion last, like a little bit of like a weird thing last night about the Aaron Judge winning the MVP. Was I was cool with it, and I made a little bit of a joke because everybody's talking about how cat about catchers and all that. About, you know, a lot of the things that catchers bring, it's kind of hard to quantify. In the same way, on top of the fact that Cal Rayleigh hit all the home hit all those home runs that he hit and was as productive as he was. Was it more about your anger against what Judge did in the postseason?

SPEAKER_01: 1:22

Was it you actually Because in reality, Judge doesn't do it. Only metric that Kyle Rayleigh beat him in was home runs. Yeah. In every other statistical batting metric, Judge was number one in.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35

So he does deserve it. But dude, I can't have I yeah, it's great. Another MVP, but it don't win us a championship.

SPEAKER_06: 1:43

You know what also sucks? Is that technically, Cal Rilly was on the better baseball team.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49

He was.

SPEAKER_06: 1:50

Which is kind of crazy because, you know, when you think about it, you're like all the obviously injuries and stuff like that came in the for the Yankees, but like the the Mariners were an awesome baseball team this year. I was right. Cal Rilly is for the Mariners, right? Or is it or the Tigers? He's the Mariners. Okay, okay. I had it right the first time. Who the fuck plays for the Tigers? I don't know. Yes. Um, but I just wanted to I because I mentioned it last night we had a little bit of discussion on that. So yeah, I get I get the frustration about you know the it doesn't really matter because the postseason what matters. Because gotta go win a championship for sure. Totally understand that. I just want to make sure we got that on the record because we did have a little discussion last night. Secondly, was there any other really story I wanted to talk about outside of the sports we do? No, not really. Basketball don't care really care about right now.

SPEAKER_01: 2:36

2K fucking sucks. Sorry. I was just sitting back. That's I got back into playing 2K recently, and I questioned why I did that. Uh you always do. I already had the game, right? Yeah. But I got back jumped back on it and I was playing it and I was like, what the fuck is this bullshit? I like I jumped into Madden 2 for a little bit. And then I just keep going back to college football because I'm like, these other sports games fucking suck.

SPEAKER_04: 3:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 3:09

Which is so infuriating because I'm like, why is college football so fucking good? Why is college football so good? What are they doing right? But like it's not even like just the uh dynasty. Dynasty mode is good. The other modes are good too. I like I don't give a fuck about the Altern team.

SPEAKER_06: 3:27

Not now, so but it's it's the same the same thing as I don't care.

SPEAKER_01: 3:30

Yeah, but again, like if you play like their career one, it's fun. Even if you start off as like a uh like a two-star, it's harder. Right. But it it's not like an oh I can't overcome it kind of challenge. It's a more of a fun challenge. Yeah. But like man, I was playing fucking 2K. Just getting my shit kicked in.

SPEAKER_06: 3:55

Yeah. Because it usually early on in this in the cycle though. The recent 2K game just came out, right? Or were you playing the older 2K game?

SPEAKER_01: 4:05

I was playing 25, so it's not that much older.

SPEAKER_06: 4:08

Okay, okay, so people that are still playing that, they have been locked in on 2K25 for over a year.

SPEAKER_01: 4:13

I'm talking like um I was playing my career, getting my shit kicked in. Just getting my shit pushed in, bro. Uh like I I was just getting dicked on by fucking uh the CPUs. There's this thing, like if you hit a certain milestone, like uh it's four close shots or three three pointers, is what my um apparently it is called goat mode activated, right? Okay, there's uh evil goat mode where I was playing Steph Curry. This nigga hit 15 threes in a game. And he activated this shit, and I reset my console. Uh fuck you. I'm not dealing with that.

SPEAKER_06: 4:59

Yeah, that's that seems like a moment that like unless you're like really, really good and that stuff activates, like you're pretty much screwed from the get-go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:07

And I'm pretty good at 2K. I'm no slouch at 2K. Right. I'm not these other niggas. I got I got hoes. Stop playing with me. But okay. I'm what the fuck? And then I started playing Madden, just you know, the my team, the micro the dynasty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 5:30

Franchise mode.

SPEAKER_01: 5:31

Franchise, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Shits ass. It's just ass. It doesn't feel as smooth. It feels almost clunky.

SPEAKER_06: 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:39

Why does it feel so clunky?

SPEAKER_06: 5:42

And it lacks a little bit of like the personalization part of it, because yes, you can go and like get whatever players that you want throughout throughout the NFL and do that. But when you compare, it's like college football where you get you're literally doing the recruiting every year, and you're like you're going through the grind of bringing in all your new players, you have to work for them. And even when you do everything right, it still doesn't go your way, and the other team takes them. It like you just kind of like have a little more pride in it. You take a little more pride.

SPEAKER_01: 6:09

In this, if a dude could just not want to come to my team, come to my team at all, he's not gonna say no to 150 million. Right. I could run a team with Miles Garrett, TJ Watt, and uh Will Anderson. I could run the most elite team in the world, and all I gotta do is trade for them. Because trades and fucking Madden are bullshit. They're bullshit.

SPEAKER_06: 6:30

Yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_01: 6:30

Uh I can give the I can go up to the Browns, give him a seventh round pick, my third string right tackle, and some shitty corner, and I'll get Miles Garrett. Sorry. I feel like we didn't have a lot to talk about, so I kind of want to talk about.

SPEAKER_06: 6:45

No, we did, but the outside of what we normally talk about, yeah, for sure. You so you definitely filled that space up quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01: 6:51

My bad, dude. I've been having like conniptions about this shit. Uh my dogs won't come near me when I'm playing 2K because they sit there and look at me like this nigga's about to tweak. Uh and they are not wrong.

SPEAKER_06: 7:02

I don't blame them at all. Zero. They're they have that they they have you pegged. They do, because they are right.

SPEAKER_01: 7:08

Because if I have to watch the animation, I have to sit here and watch their animation. No, no, it is the worst. That's all.

SPEAKER_07: 7:24

Alright, well that's catching up with Jay's time. Oh hey, yeah, I'm back.

SPEAKER_01: 7:31

Uh hi guys. I have not been watching any sports because it's depressing. Um I don't want Joe Burrow to come back.

SPEAKER_06: 7:40

We'll we'll get why I was gonna wait on that. I was gonna wait to get to that.

SPEAKER_01: 7:43

Sorry, it's like the most important thing of my life right now.

SPEAKER_06: 7:45

I let I didn't even talk about it on the last podcast. I'm like, you know what I want to have Jace here when then we finally when I want to delve into that because it's just like such a fascinating potential outcome to happen based off of like what how how you were, what is it like two months ago now when he went out? No, not it wasn't two months. It's like a month and a half, two months, two months, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 8:07

Week two. You went out week two.

SPEAKER_06: 8:09

And we're at week 11 now? Yeah, you went out week two. Okay, well that yeah, for sure. I guess it has been that long. So before we get to that, let's go and get to the college football stuff. Did you have ranking stuff? Did you s did you see any of the stuff that about rankings and all that? Yeah. Yeah, no, it's nice Funko Pop, ain't it? That that's a it's a chase one. It's a chase one that you have to go like buying stuff off Funko.com is like it it's intriguing because usually it's it's gonna be more expensive, but you do have a chance at the chase stuff. And I'm like, if I buy one of these off of this site when I know I can just buy one at a store and I don't get the chase, I pay more and I don't get the one I want, I'm gonna tweak. So I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna pay less.

SPEAKER_01: 9:01

Like a lottery ticket.

SPEAKER_06: 9:02

That's what they do with the chase stuff, man. I'm like, it's so cool. And they're like, oh, it's randomized, so you might get it, you may not. I'm like, you know what? There's some random person in these in these buildings just grabbing these Funko Pops off a spot, and he's like, you know what? I'll grab the chase one this time. This guy will have a nice one. And the idea of that just like would tweak make me tweak out. So I'm just gonna pay less and just get the one I know I can get. Yeah, cosball playoff rankings. Anything with like give it any problems with that as it has gone so far?

unknown: 9:32

No?

SPEAKER_01: 9:33

I actually don't think it's awful. I think there's too many top SEC teams.

SPEAKER_06: 9:37

Um I I came to this conclusion about the rankings, right? Is that why do they have rankings 13 through 25? Because when they put out their rankings, they don't just put one through twelve. They do one through twenty-five. So the I the thought came to my brain is like they only use those thirteen through twenty-five as like resume boosters for the top 12 to justify them being where they're at.

SPEAKER_01: 10:05

Okay. I we talked about it last time, and there's a lot of teams where the best wins are guys who they're ranked, but they don't deserve to be ranked.

SPEAKER_06: 10:16

Right. Tennessee, for the longest time, being a three-loss SEC team, like they even though they their best win would have been against like uh I think like Kentucky or something like that, and they were ranked for some reason, but guess what? All the three teams they lost to were all teams that were inside the top ten. I'm like, oh, that makes total sense because they would like for all the because all this is controlled by ESPN, they would like for these SEC teams that would they would like to have to be in the top 12 to have a good reason to be there. It's like, oh, they all beat a top 25 team in Tennessee. And it's like, oh. Oh no, Schmar Stewart's injured.

SPEAKER_01: 10:53

Sorry.

SPEAKER_06: 10:54

Like seriously?

SPEAKER_01: 10:55

Yeah, here it is. Oh, dang, that sucks. Sorry, they released the Idri report and I just realized I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_06: 11:05

At least he won't be out there to not get stats. He'll be able to use that excuse. He wasn't playing. Um, all right, so the college wall playoff rankings, nothing you really have to work you have to say about it. Alright, so obviously this is the pre the prediction pod where we do like the preview of all the cosmoball games. I have three, six, I have eight games I wanted to preview for the College Well College football this weekend. And then I have, and then we'll go to the NFL games where we will make our prediction on predictions on all those games and talk about that, including some of the news stories and stuff. So let's just go ahead and get into it. First game for College Football, South Carolina going to Texas AM, number three Texas AM. AM is favored by 17 and a half. Really, AM should win this game without much of an issue. I totally believe that. AM has proven pretty much all year long they're willing to, they're able to win games however they need to. If it's going to be a rock fight, they'll win a rock fight. If it is a back and forth affair, they'll do that. Like they they will, or if they just need to lock, they haven't been able to lock anybody down defensively technically, because I don't think their defense is all that great. But they have been getting better throughout the year. They've been playing better better as they have gone. But like I've said with other teams when they face face South Carolina, like South Carolina is a they're more of like a two-man band because they have their really good quarterback in Lenora Sellers on one side, then they have their very good defensive end on the other. Why am I forgetting that guy's name? Doesn't really matter. But that like if you don't give South Carolina like any type of air to believe they can win a football game, they sh they won't be in it. But if you give South Carolina time to kind of get right get into a football game and really feel like they have a chance to win it, is where things can become an issue. I don't think this will be the game where that happens. Tex AM is proved like with Marcel Reed as their quarterback, they've been passing every test they've had this year with Flying Colors outside of Arkansas, where that game was a weird one where it shouldn't have been close, but it was. But out but I decided to make sure I mention that game because if South Carolina does come out and like, you know, stun them, it could definitely set off a little bit of a training chain reaction in the SEC. Because honestly, other than Texas AM, all the other teams behind them are all scrunched together. You have tech you have Texas, you have Bama, you have Georgia, you have like all these teams that nobody can make heads or tails of as to who's actually good because they all keep beating each other. A lot of them are frauds. Yeah. Or they haven't faced the right team in Georgia. They've been like I've heard somebody say about Georgia, it's like they're a drunk person walking off the walking next to the side of a cliff because they are just like on any given moment flirting with disaster, and they manage to come back from it because guess what? They're Georgia, nobody else is, and if you're gonna beat them, you have to cut the head off the snake, and nobody has. Um same thing with Bama, their one loss being to um uh Florida State at the beginning of the year. Like that was an improbable loss that they have for some reason, and nobody else has managed to do that, but Bama has gotten better throughout the year. So, but yeah, so as long as Tex AM can kind of keep their season going the way it is, I think it'll at least help the SEC out to where they won't have a big jumbled mess all throughout the SEC. At least there's one team that has kind of separated themselves from the rest. Next game, you got number nine Notre Dame going to number two Pittsburgh, number 22 Pittsburgh. Um fucking hate. Notre Dame's a 12 and a half point favorite. The only reason I really mention this game is because Pittsburgh is a good team. They have a very young, a freshman quarterback that is very feisty. He knows he he doesn't have any fear of throwing any type of pass out there. He has the talent too, he can get outside the pocket when he needs to. Like they have Pittsburgh as a team that can pull off the upset in this scenario if Notre Dame does not come with their best game. But the news coming into this game was that Pittsburgh's quarterback, I mean not their coach, Pat Narduzzi, they asked him about this game, and they're like, hey, how like how important is going out there and winning this game? And this is what he says. He said to the media that it doesn't matter. If we lose this game 110 to 10, this game does not matter because this game against Notre Dame is not an ACC game. And he said, as long as we go and win the rest of our A West of our conference games, this game won't matter whatsoever. Which on one hand, very honest, and technically it's right, because as long as you win your win the rest of your ACC games, they should be in the ACC championship game and they have a chance to get into the playoff. But on the other hand, are you being too honest?

unknown: 15:42

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06: 15:43

Like, when you're having your team go out there and put their lives on the line technically to go out there and I'm gonna say technically because they do put their lives on the line when they go having all these high-speed collisions when they're going to play a game. Is that necessarily the right message to put out to a team? Because like, there's no way he's telling his team this game doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01: 16:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 16:03

So I'm just like, are you because technically he is correct, but are you being too honest in the idea that, like, oh, this game doesn't matter? When we all know at the end of the day, you're going to tell your team, like, hey, we're trying to win this football game, because why wouldn't you? Because I just I just don't know how you can send that message out there if you're going out there to try to play a football game. It's one thing if you're like playing against a team that you know you can't beat, but like this Notre Dame team can be had. And it's just like it's Notre Dame is not a heads and shoulders above everybody that they play without much of an issue. If you can stop their running game, you have a chance to win. And Notre Dame's already two lost football team at this point to a bad Miami team and the Texan. Nine?

SPEAKER_05: 16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 16:51

They're two hardest games of the season, they lost both of them.

SPEAKER_01: 16:56

Okay, every time I look at this, it really does push home. That high Ohio State's truly just ahead above the rest. It pushes it home harder and harder the more I really hear. I don't watch college football like that. So I don't really I'm much more incline I'm much more um in tune with the NFL if I know what's going on with most of these teams. Right. I don't know shit what's going on with fucking college football. Right. I know Michigan State's dog ass.

SPEAKER_06: 17:22

And that bet for six wins, not happening.

SPEAKER_01: 17:26

It's not fucking happening. Stop fucking making it. It's unfortunate. Please stop making it.

SPEAKER_06: 17:29

They were closer last year.

SPEAKER_01: 17:31

Yeah, exactly. Stop making it, Joe. I can't do it with you, bro. I stop fucking making it. Real quick, your odds at some point are gonna be so fucking high that they win six games. Real quick, don't make that bet next year. We're gonna play you fucking organ. We're gonna play a shit ton more teams. Don't make that bet again. What if you get a new coach?

SPEAKER_06: 17:53

And what if you get a new quarterback? Because no way Aiden Child is coming back after you guys he's done. He's gonna go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01: 18:00

He was bad. He was bad. He's just bad. I like I want to have hope with him. Everything's like, oh, he's just young.

SPEAKER_06: 18:06

No, this nigga's young and don't learn. He's played long enough to where like he needed to see something better. And I think the coaching staff agrees with that because why they benched him. And the nigga behind it, that motherfucker was dealing. He's still dealing. It's not his fault that you guys losing games. Your defense is just terrible. Oh, story of my fucking life. Other than last year.

SPEAKER_01: 18:25

But like, dude, I okay, you know what made it makes me even more angry. This nigga's been on my team for fucking three three four years. He's a red shirt junior. He's been on this team since fucking Peyton Thorne was here.

SPEAKER_04: 18:38

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The new guy. Got it.

SPEAKER_01: 18:40

He got here when Peyton Thorne was going into his second year. He was a freshman. I wasn't over a throw during um the spring football. That was 50 yards. He needed to do it comfortably. He can swing it. Now, is he getting out of the pocket? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_06: 19:00

The most athletic now.

SPEAKER_01: 19:02

But we have this really, really, really great thing called Nick Marsh.

SPEAKER_06: 19:08

Yeah. That's the move. Get it to him.

SPEAKER_01: 19:11

Uh, and if you just throw that bitch up, he is six foot four. There is no receiver that's as big as him. And he's very talented, and he can actually run routes. And he's a lot, he's fast for a fucking size. Yeah. Just throw that bitch up. It works. Our tight end, Jack Valing. Very good.

SPEAKER_06: 19:34

And when you guys did kind of switch, you guys were trying to do more of the spread offense last year. This year you're doing a little more of a pro offense. Like it it does seem to meld a little bit better together, but it's just your defense is just so bad.

SPEAKER_01: 19:45

It does meld better together, but it doesn't meld with Jalen with uh Aiden Chiles at the helm. That's not how he plays football.

SPEAKER_06: 19:54

You gotta make better decisions, you gotta be more efficient, and he's neither of those things.

SPEAKER_01: 19:58

Yes, and you have to be very precise with your throws in a way that the other I don't know his name. I can't remember his name. I feel bad. The new quarterback? Yes. The other quarterback, he's much more consistent. Now he's not gonna light you up with I'm gonna have this 55-yard run, I'm gonna I'm gonna dodge five tackles and run it in for a touchdown. And he's not gonna give you that, but is that really what as a team what we need being Michigan State?

SPEAKER_06: 20:25

Melojevic.

SPEAKER_01: 20:26

Yes. Do we need that as Michigan State or do we just need consistency?

SPEAKER_06: 20:34

I think you might have the story on this guy wrong. I think I'm thinking. He's a freshman. He's a freshman.

SPEAKER_01: 20:40

I'm thinking a different guy then.

SPEAKER_06: 20:41

Yeah, Melojevek is a freshman.

SPEAKER_01: 20:43

Cool. Aiden Charles, good fucking bye. I'll see you at NIU next year, motherfucker. I I believe you could be talented under the right coach. This is not that coach. He's not a uh built-up talent coach. He is a acquired talent coach.

SPEAKER_07: 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 21:01

Um and this motherfucker better start counting his days, because if we don't win, uh if we don't make it to a bowl game here soon, you're not making one this year. You're gonna have three wins right now? We haven't been to a bowl game since 2020. Yeah. With Kenny Walker, yeah. Dang. That was the last bowl game we were in.

SPEAKER_03: 21:20

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01: 21:23

Where we we beat Pitt. Because it was the same year y'all drafted Kenny Pickett.

SPEAKER_03: 21:30

That's a shame.

SPEAKER_06: 21:33

I do have I do have your game to talk to talk about here in a minute. Notre Dame Pittsburgh, Notre Dame should win the game because their running back uh love is actually very good. He makes plays every week. I'm not sure if he's like one of those all-time backs type of things. He makes great plays when when he gets the opportunity to. Um their freshman quarterback is very good as well. Redshirt freshman. And again, Pittsburgh has the opportunity to win the game, but it's just can they offensively keep up with Notre Dame and then stop their running game, which is probably the biggest question. I just don't think Pittsburgh can. But we've seen crazier things throughout the year, but I think Notre Dame wins the game. Next game, number 11, Oklahoma, going to number four Alabama. Alabama's a five and a half point favorite. Oklahoma's defense. Okay, I'll start with Alabama. Bama cannot run the football whatsoever. Their game is really put it on Ty Simpson, their quarterback, to go out there and throw the football every single goddamn time because they can't run it. I think they average like 50-something yards a game rushing the football. So like they really can't. Their passing game, like their their offensive line is better at protecting the passer than they are actually trying to run block. And here's the thing with Oklahoma. Oklahoma is a very good defense, and I think they have, especially their front seven, they can get pressure on you and do it that way. So if they are able to get pressure on Ty Simpson and get him off of his spot, can they kind of lower the amount of points that Alabama will be able to score? Because the second the secondary for Oklahoma is not all that great. And if you give Ty Simpsons time to sit there and like dissect your defense and get the ball to his wide receivers, they'll be scoring on you all day without much of an issue. And on top of that, Oklahoma's offense has not been great this year. Ever since they are quarterback, why am I forgetting that guy's name? Um let me see here. Let me make sure. Hold on. Um, I have it. Nope. We're close. It's um crap. I I know I remember his name, but it's not the John, it's here. He was started the year very hot, uh, messed up his thumb on his throwing hand, and then ever since he came back, he has not been throwing the football well. He's been making a lot of mistakes when it comes to throwing interceptions, and things have not gone well offensively that way. So the question is, can you hold Alabama to like under 20 points? And I think that'll give Oklahoma a chance to win the game. But if not, they're definitely going to lose. And I just don't think they're gonna be able to hold Alabama back from scoring. So I think Alabama's gonna win that game. Next one, number 21, Iowa going to number 17 USC. USC is a six and a half point favorite. I think Iowa really does have a chance to win this game because what Iowa wants to do, they want to run the football down your throat and they want to do it over and over and over again. And then as soon as you start really biting on the run, they're gonna sit there, sit there and hit you with a play action pass to one of their tight ends. Because they have a quarterback that can make some passes every once in a while. He's not great, but he's good enough. And with that being the case, I do think they have a real chance to win this football game. And on top of the fact that USC, as good as they are offensively, and I think they can run the football, and I think they've have made some strides on the offensive side of the ball with the offensive line and everything like that. Defensively, USC is definitely still still um still has the old USC in them where they can't run the football. I mean, sorry, they can't stop the run, and they can let some big plays happen when they kind of get they don't really kind of stay on their P's and Q's. So even with USC being at home, I do think Iowa has a real chance to win that game. And question is, is that just can Iowa hold like stop the big plays and just keep running the football? I do think they can, but I will no, I'll lean towards Iowa to win that game. So I just think Iowa does have a team that is a just a bad matchup for USC in general. Next one, Penn State going to Michigan State. Penn State is a seven and a half point favorite in this game. Would you believe me when we talk about this game at this point in the season, if I were to tell it, like give you a crystal ball at the beginning of the year, that I'm like, hey, because on one hand, Michigan State being as bad as they are, yeah, I think you kind of saw coming. I was hoping that wasn't going to be the case. But Penn State also being this terrible is a big deal as well. Penn State currently does not have any wins against a power five opponent. Zero. Zero wins. And the fact that they were seven half point favorites against Michigan State is a little bit iffy to me. Again, they did play great against Indiana last week in a spot where they probably could have won that game and should have won the game. But the thing is, is that I just don't think Penn State can do this week after week and bring out and play their best ball. And if Penn State doesn't play their best, I do think Michigan State has a has a way to beat them. On top of the fact that Penn State doesn't have a consistent defense, and their offense isn't nearly as consistent either. The the quarterback they have, the freshman, Grunker Grunkenmeyer, um, he showed some flashes last week against against Indiana, but it's still not consistent enough to make you make me think like, oh, Penn State's gonna take advantage of the bad defense of Michigan State. So I truly do think that Michigan State has a chance to beat Penn State because Penn State's nowhere near the team that everybody thought they were coming into the year. And I think the the weaknesses that Michigan State has as a team, I just don't think Penn State is a is capable of taking advantage of. Would I put money on Michigan State winning that game? Probably not, because they haven't won me any money at all this year. Dude, you're wasting your money. If you want to waste money. Actually, they have won me a little money because they have stayed within the spread a couple times.

SPEAKER_01: 27:32

That's great. If you want to actively waste your money every year, give it to me. I'll go put it on all on black in the casino, and I'll come back. I'm cool. I'll come give you what's left. Uh, dude, you're wasting your money.

SPEAKER_06: 27:43

Look, man, I'm just, I mean, I I got a little too excited about the coaching hire. He hasn't really worked out. I got a little excited about the about the quarterback, um, Aiden Chiles, and he hasn't worked out either. And it just goes to show, even as talented as some of these guys can be, that at some point they have to take it upon themselves to get better as players. And unfortunately, Aiden Chiles has not done that, and it has shown. And the freshman that you have playing now is playing better ball. It's just your defense can't get a stop. But it I do give Michigan State a real chance to win that game, though. But I would probably lean towards Penn State. Next game, Florida going to number seven Olmis. Olmus is an 11.5 point favorite in this game. This might turn out to be the Lane Kiffen bowl. Because Lane Kiffin being the coach at Olmis, he is the guy that everybody is looking towards to try to be their head coach of their future. So LSU is looking at him to be their next head coach. Florida is also doing so. And I think that Olmis being at number seven right now, as long as they win throughout the rest of their games, they will get into the playoffs. They will have a chance to like make a real make a real run in the playoff, as long as they don't have to face Ohio State too soon, obviously. But Florida is has been a team all year where like they are not going to be out talent out talented when they come into these football games because Florida is a very talented team. That was not their issue at all throughout this year. Their issue was not getting the quarterback play they needed out of their um their young guy. Why am I forgetting that guy's name? Um hold on. I'm gonna get his name because I want to remember it. DJ Lagway. They have not gotten the quarterback play out of him they needed to, especially with all the talent that he has. They have not gotten him to be consistent enough to do so. Also, that being the fact that their head coach was supposed to be the guy that's a quarterback guy, and he's been awful and he got fired because of it, and he's not there anymore. Secondly, their offense has not been consistent enough around that such quarterback to where even if he does play better, their offensive line isn't all that great, and they can't run the football as effect as consistently as they would like. Because when they do run the football and they do it. Well, they like they have a good team and they have good running backs, so like they have a talented enough football team. And then defensively, they have dudes. This this Florida team has dudes all over the place. So like when they decide to lock in, like they beat Texas earlier this year. Again, I'm not saying Texas is an is an awesome team, but Texas has dudes all over the place, and Florida actually was in that game and they won it. So if Florida comes into this game and they lock in and they like say, hey, we're gonna play our hardest, they can make this game of like very difficult on Ole Miss. But I just think Ole Miss offensively is probably a little bit too consistent for them. And as long as Olmus plays just decent defense and just keeps Florida in front of them and doesn't let Florida run for a ton of yards against them. And on top of the fact that Florida just benched DJ Lagway last week, so like because he wasn't playing well enough. So whatever quarterback they have coming into this game and playing, like there's no guarantee you're gonna get great quarterback play. So I do think Olmus is probably gonna win that game, but I do think if they don't bring their A game, Florida can make this game close. Next one, UCLA going to number one Ohio State. Ohio State's 31.5 point favorite. I'm I only brought up this game to say Ohio State's gonna win the game. They may not cover because Ohio State doesn't care about covering at this point. They just got to keep winning, keeping all their players healthy, and try just going on this run because they just need to be playing their best at the end of the season when they need to. Beat Michigan, play Indiana in the Big Ten Championship game, and win that game, and then go on the run to try to win another championship. You mentioned Ohio State being a cut above the rest. And I need to ask this question because you're always my litmus test, because most of the time I'm gonna always lean towards Ohio State being the best. Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio State. Ohio State has now been put in a box where they can't win no matter what they do. The going narrative about Ohio State is that even though they're number one, nobody believes in them because they haven't been tested. So here's the thing. So are they so dominant that they are making their teams they play look stupid? Or are you saying that the teams that they have been playing are so bad that now you're questioning if Ohio State's actually good because they're saying that we don't know if Julian Sands are actually good because he hasn't, they haven't had a struggle. That's only what everybody has said is that the fact that they have not struggled with anybody they have played this year other than Texas to start the year, that they're not sure if Ohio State's act Ohio State's actually good, or if, or if um, or if the quarterback is not good, or if because nobody's gonna question Jeremiah Smith, and nobody's gonna question Caleb Downs, but there's but everybody wants to question Ohio State in that way, and I'm sitting here like, what is Ohio State supposed to do? They go out there, they beat everybody that they have in front of them, and they do it in a like a very systematic, systematic fashion. They they do it well, and I'm just sitting here like I just don't know, because everybody wanted to give like um in Indiana all the credit after they barely beat Penn State last week with the last second touchdown. And I'm sitting there like everybody wants to give Indiana credit and they want to give that quarterback Mendoza the Heisman moment, but he played like shit for the first three quarters. So I'm sitting here like, how can you like nobody was saying this shit when Al when Nick Saban and Alabama were doing it? That's what makes me mad. When Al when Nick Saban was running through the SEC every year and he owned everybody, and they made every team that that that crossed their path look stupid along the way, no, everybody was sucking Alabama's cock and saying how great they were and how like Nick Saban's the best coach of all time. But when out when Ohio State's doing it in a way that they're not even they don't even have to try, they're not even hitting third or fourth gear, they're saying, hey, we're gonna keep this very vanilla, we're not gonna run any tempo, and we're gonna let we're gonna give Julian Sand a little bit by little bit every single week, and he's gonna keep flying passing every test. And I just don't know how Ohio State's controlling it so well, but now everybody's equating that to Ohio State has them in challenge, so we're not even sure if they're good or not.

unknown: 34:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 34:22

I just I just don't I just don't know what Ohio State's supposed to do. Like, uh again, are they just supposed to run to the championship and then me having to be able to laugh at everybody at the end and be like, hey, we told you so. But I'm also like, I just want Ohio State to enjoy the credit that they deserve because they've been doing what they're supposed to do. And again, I just always compare if this was Texas doing this, that everybody would be very happy for Texas talking about how amazing they are and they're an all-time team because they were saying that before Texas before they had played a game, and they were calling Arch Manning a generational talent before they even seen him play an actual football game against a really good team. As a starting quarterback, of course. So I'm just sitting here like, if this was anybody else, I feel like everybody would be more than happy to crown them as being the best team in college football. But when Ohio State's doing it right now, everybody wants to say, oh, Texas AM is better because they've played better teams when they really haven't. And other than other than Notre Dame. And I just think everybody's like, oh, Indiana's been tested, so I believe in them more. And I'm like, Ohio State's just been dominating from start from week one to week now, week 12, with only Michigan being in the way of being like a real challenge for them because that's just more of a mental thing with Ryan Day. I just don't know. I just I just get tired of the media because nobody wants to really set the guidelines as to what they want to see out of this Ohio State team. Because as soon as Ohio State does what they want, they at first they were like, they don't trust Julian Sand. Can he make the big plays? And he does that.

SPEAKER_00: 35:48

He does.

SPEAKER_06: 35:49

And then like, oh, he now he's just a robot. He doesn't show any, he doesn't have to struggle. Now he's just throwing to all the crazy monsters.

SPEAKER_00: 35:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 35:56

I don't they keep moving the goalposts. I I I agree. My I personally, he has quelled my questions. He quelled my questions. I wanted to see him do more than just make the normal throw. And he did more. He quelled my questions. But I think the goal is gonna keep moving. Because one, you're not an SEC team. Two, you're the number one team in the country to go ask people. You're the best, so we're gonna see how good you truly are. The goal's gonna keep moving. But if I'm your litmus test, you want to hear my opinion. The Ohio State University is the best college football team in America. In the world. They're the best college football team in the world. There is no better college football team. No matter where the goal pulse moves, no matter how much they want to discredit OSU's wins, no matter how much they want to discredit OSU's players, no matter how much they want to discredit Julian Sain. He's the highest in the front runner.

SPEAKER_03: 37:04

He should be.

SPEAKER_01: 37:09

No one better than you. I can't say one bet. That's a pretty good fucking odds.

SPEAKER_06: 37:19

Julian or Jeremiah?

SPEAKER_01: 37:20

Julian Saints.

SPEAKER_06: 37:21

Okay. The only reason Jeremiah won't do it is because they keep doubling him all the time, so he won't he won't have the Devontae Smith stats.

SPEAKER_01: 37:27

And him and Carnot are literally splitting stats. Yeah. But again, I got uh it was Common Man was talking about it. He was talking about how he had gotten the odds when they were like one to thirty-two. I got him at one to sixteen.

SPEAKER_02: 37:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 37:40

So I only bet like five bucks, and I meant like 250 bucks. So it's still pretty freaking good. But again, I have no questions for how I'll say you're the best humanity. But just go beat Michigan. That's the question.

SPEAKER_06: 37:52

That's because that's Ryan Day's like boogie. Go beat Michigan, and then I and then it'll be a battle for the Heisman in the Big Ten Championship game against Indiana.

SPEAKER_01: 38:00

That's it. And you guys probably dog walk Indiana.

SPEAKER_06: 38:04

I I do think so too. I think our defense is on a different level than everybody else, but it's just gonna be a decider.

SPEAKER_01: 38:10

Indiana's defense ain't that good. Their offense is pretty good.

SPEAKER_06: 38:12

Um, but it's just not do they have anybody that stopped Jeremiah Smith and Cardinal Tate?

SPEAKER_01: 38:17

Again, that's the thing. They're fine. They're not that good. Right. They're fine. There's nothing special about them. Um their offense is pretty good. Their offense is pretty talented.

SPEAKER_06: 38:26

Mendoza's a good quarterback, but it's just when everybody said, oh, that one throw, uh he's been playing Cosmo for a while. So he better be a good quarterback. But it's just like he makes that one good throw again. Again, it was a good throw, but I think the catch was actually better when he got his foot into the end zone after going out the back. So I'm just sitting there like, and he played like trash and he had the fourth quarter pick to even put themselves down in the game. So I'm just sitting there like he has a they're saying he has a Heisman moment because he struggled against a Penn State team that doesn't have a win against a power five opponent. So I'm just sitting here like a power four opponent. So they have like so like you can't give him a moment when a whole like Is that a moment that should exist or a moment that he should have never created? By their own standards, they should say Julian Sands should play like shit for three quarters to where Ohio State is down in a football game. To where he has to come back in order for them to feel like, oh, he struggled and came out of it.

SPEAKER_01: 39:18

Like that doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_06: 39:22

Did we ever see Derrick Henry struggle when he was at Alabama doing what he did that year?

unknown: 39:27

Nope.

SPEAKER_06: 39:27

Did we did Devontae Smith ever struggle when he went and did what he did? Joe Joe Burrow, did Joe Burrow struggle? Was there a struggle ever for that LSU team?

unknown: 39:39

No, there was body bags.

SPEAKER_06: 39:40

Body bag, body, body, body, body.

SPEAKER_01: 39:43

There was a trail of bodies.

SPEAKER_06: 39:46

Oh, my defense is shit, but I'm like, otherwise, I'm just gonna keep going out there and scoring every game.

SPEAKER_01: 39:50

My defense is shit, and we still won about 21.

SPEAKER_06: 39:53

Like, I just I just don't know how everybody now wants a struggle. Everybody wants everybody wants a Cinderella story, and I'm like, LSU team is so fucking crazy. It's insane. But I'm just sitting here like, just give Ohio State the credit when they're doing what they're doing right now because they're doing what Alabama and Nick Saban did, and everybody was everybody was more than happy to crown them every year saying, oh, it's Nick as long as Nick Saban's there, they're the national championship hope. Like, they're the best. Stop moving stop moving the goalposts. That's it. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01: 40:23

Stay consistent. I don't question you guys. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_06: 40:31

I know. I just keep that same energy for everybody. Keep the same energy. And they're never gonna keep the same energy. It makes me upset. Because Ryan Day has done he's done everything he needs to do, other than beat Michigan. I have no. Even though he's done that before, nobody wants to talk about the fact that he has beat Michigan before. Yeah. 2019. And then Michigan ducked us in 2020 during COVID.

SPEAKER_01: 40:52

He was at Coach 2019?

SPEAKER_06: 40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 40:57

Was he? Yes.

SPEAKER_06: 41:00

The 2019 team, that was um Justin Fields. He's been the coach at Ohio State since 2018. He's been there seven eight years.

SPEAKER_01: 41:09

How the fuck he was?

SPEAKER_06: 41:10

Yeah. He was not the coach of the Ohio. Yeah, he was. Yes, he was. Bullshit. He was there both Justin Fields years, man.

SPEAKER_00: 41:18

Bullshit.

SPEAKER_06: 41:20

What do you mean, bullshit? That's why he's been here that long. Yeah. How long do you think Ryan Day's been there?

SPEAKER_00: 41:26

Five years. No. Like four or five years back.

SPEAKER_06: 41:29

No, he like that's literally that's two Justin Fields years. That was him. That's Ryan Day.

SPEAKER_00: 41:34

Was it Nick Saban? Not Nick Saban.

SPEAKER_06: 41:36

Oh no, Urban. Urban was gone the year before. The last Dwayne Haskins year, that was the last Urban team. That was or that was Urban's last year. And Urban didn't even finish that year. He they he gave it off to Ryan Day at the end of, like literally right after the bowl game of that year, they gave it off to Ryan Day. Yeah. So he beat Michigan back in 2019. 2020, Michigan ducked us, and then they've beat us three years in a row. No, because they said, like, oh, it's COVID. We know it wouldn't be a safe game to play when everybody else has been playing all year.

unknown: 42:14

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06: 42:15

So I'm just sitting there like everybody's like, oh, everybody says that Ohio State hasn't beat him in five years. I'm like, no. They should give Ohio State a win for that because they ducked us. But you know, that's fine. He hasn't won for the last three years, that's on him. But yeah, I just thought I just want everybody to keep the same energy. And like Ohio State's doing what they're doing, and they're really, I've been saying this all year. They're becoming the next Nick Saban dynasty type of team, and nobody wants to believe me.

SPEAKER_00: 42:37

Whoa, watch mouth. I wouldn't say that. I I wouldn't say that yet. Win too that I could we could talk.

SPEAKER_06: 42:46

Okay, fine, for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 42:47

But I wouldn't say that yet.

SPEAKER_06: 42:48

Okay. Okay, that's the first thing you've said, you've said blow woe woe to me for. So I'll I will be more than happy to take it.

SPEAKER_01: 42:54

Again, everything else you've said, good on you. I agree.

SPEAKER_06: 42:57

And here's here's what I'll say about the Heisman thing is that if Jeremiah over the next couple weeks starts really exploding, because there was no Carnot last week because he had an injury. So Jeremiah was able to get a couple touchdowns by himself. And if he keeps going these next couple weeks and then he goes and dog walks Indy, whoever Indiana corner has the terrible job of having to try to cover him, he could steal the Heisman out from everybody and just say, hey, I'm just that dude.

SPEAKER_00: 43:24

Hey, real quick, you ever think? Because corners are probably like they got some of the biggest egos of anybody out on the football field. You ever think?

SPEAKER_01: 43:32

There's a game coming up, you know you're in the number one corner. Boss my ass. Like, like they just had this moment of clarity.

SPEAKER_06: 43:44

Like, you know what, or you know what, um um when Bill Belichick, when he had um what who was the best corner that everybody says is uh Darrell Revis, right? Do you know what his plan was a lot of the games? He was gonna stick Darrell Reeves on the number two corner and then double the number one because he's like, hey, if my guy's gonna lock down whoever he sees anyway, I'm gonna put more of my guy, and I have to if I have to double this dude anyway, I'm gonna put them on the one in the best corner, and then let Darrell Revis just lock down one side of the field with the number two guy. More college football teams should be doing that for Jeremiah Smith. But the problem is that there's no corner that's good enough to stop Carnell Tate either, and that's where you're fucked. That's the problem. That's the that's why you can't do it in college football because I'm sitting here like, as soon as you want to put too much on uh on on Jeremiah, Carnell's on the other side and he's cooking this year. So I'm just sitting here like I just everybody everybody's cooked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 44:43

Because he's going out of um Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 44:46

I he's already proven this year, like the fact that he's getting a lot more like deep balls, like, oh, don't do that to me.

SPEAKER_01: 44:53

Fuck it. Well, clearly our defense is the problem. So let's add offense.

SPEAKER_06: 44:57

I already saw a mock draft. It was like, oh, the Bengals are gonna go are gonna go get Caleb Downs, and I'm like, no, don't do that to me.

SPEAKER_01: 45:05

Oh my god, that's what I've been asking for. Don't do that to me. Quick, everybody was like, oh, Caleb Downs having a dominion. I'm like, no, he just don't have to fucking do shit. You don't have to be spectacular because the rest of the defense isn't good. You need to sit back there and just fucking twiddle his thumbs because the ball's not getting that far. The ball's not getting that far. Your corners elite. Your other because he's your free safety. Your strong safety, elite. Your linebacker's elite, your defensive line, elite. He don't have to do shit. It makes him look not as good because rest of your defense is as good. Right. Your defense wasn't as good, so he was always making the spectacular play.

SPEAKER_06: 45:39

Defense was good.

SPEAKER_01: 45:40

It wasn't as good. I didn't say it wasn't good. It wasn't as good as a good thing.

SPEAKER_06: 45:43

Our linebackers are on a different level now.

SPEAKER_01: 45:45

Yes, but it wasn't as good. So he shined a lot brighter. Right. This year, they're he's the eraser.

SPEAKER_06: 45:52

He's the eraser when things go wrong and things rarely go over wrong.

SPEAKER_01: 45:55

Yeah. I'm gonna fix everything and y'all mess up. It's uh uh um uh fuck. It reminds me of fucking I can't remember, um which team? The Steelers. It reminds me of Palomalu? No, not Palomalu, because they they were making up for any mistake Palomalu made. Ryan Clark. Yes. Of how Ryan Clark used to play, of he will fix anything that they mess up. Ryan Clark was very good. Now he wasn't like transcendent, but he was the eraser.

SPEAKER_06: 46:31

He did his job so Palomalu can go be the transcendent talent.

SPEAKER_01: 46:34

You go be the transcendent talent, I'll fix any mistakes.

SPEAKER_06: 46:36

Where Caleb Downs is different, where he's the he's the transcendent talent and he's the eraser.

SPEAKER_01: 46:39

And I'll fix any mistake on the back end. Yeah. But that's exactly what he reminds me of because he don't say shit. He don't say jack fucking shit. Nope. If he wants to I dude, I will get down and blow the Bengals owner if we draft Caleb Downs. There is no one else. Because he's gonna fall out of the top outside the top five, and we're looking like we're gonna be a top.

SPEAKER_06: 47:03

It sucks because it's just a safety.

SPEAKER_01: 47:04

If he was a safety. If you're a fucking corner, you're top three. You're a safety, though. Again, the Bengals aren't gonna pick him anyway. We're gonna pick like a fucking uh random fucking uh defensive lineman from Coastal Carolina.

SPEAKER_06: 47:19

I would say Arvo Reese is an option, but he's like, wait, the more people talk about him, the better. Everybody's like, he could be the number one overall.

SPEAKER_01: 47:25

But I no one's talking about Caleb Downs. So I'm like, he's gonna be a top 10 pick. The Bengals are gonna have a top 10 pick. Oh, yeah, for sure. Figure out how to get the fuck in the top 10. If you guys don't draft an O-lineman, I want Caleb Downs. At this point, we gotta really decide do we need O-line or do we need defense? And I'm not gonna fucking cap with you. Joe Burrow don't need the fucking O-line. He'll sling that bitch with no regardless of what he needs to fucking do.

SPEAKER_06: 47:51

Get him a few stops, please.

SPEAKER_01: 47:53

I just need one stop. I need the ball back once, so it's not a shootout. Right. If we go up two scores, I'll make sure we never go back down.

SPEAKER_06: 48:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 48:01

That's all Joe Burrow needs. Every year last year. Every game. We were always neck and neck. You know the difference was their defense would get a stop.

SPEAKER_04: 48:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 48:12

Ball batted down with no conversion on third down, something won. Our defense would and then they would score. And now we're trying to come from behind. Which was every game. We were trying to come from behind.

SPEAKER_06: 48:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 48:23

We just need one stop. The year we went to the Super Bowl is what our defense would do. They get a stop.

SPEAKER_07: 48:28

They get a couple stops again.

SPEAKER_01: 48:31

No headed that defense. Uh maybe it was our R-Pole safety. All pro free safety, Jesse Bates.

SPEAKER_07: 48:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 48:38

It's almost like safeties make up for having shitty corners.

SPEAKER_07: 48:41

Yeah. No doubt.

SPEAKER_01: 48:43

Which you know what's funny? Our corners ain't even not fucking bad. They're not terrible. Uh they're not terrible. Again, they're not terrible.

SPEAKER_06: 48:52

Cam Taylor Britt's having a very bad ear, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 48:54

Cam Taylor Britt got benched. I'm not talking about Cam Taylor Britt. I'm talking about the other motherfucker from Michigan who is Hill.

SPEAKER_06: 49:00

Not not Hill.

SPEAKER_01: 49:00

No, uh DJ Turner. DJ Turner, yes. Who he covers very, very well. He's just not a I cover the number one guy.

SPEAKER_05: 49:09

Yeah, he's a smaller guy.

SPEAKER_01: 49:10

Yeah, yeah. He's an I cover the number two guy. Yeah. And he's very, very good at that. Um we also have let up the most yards of tight ends from any team, which is where a bulk of the yards that we're letting up is coming from tight ends.

SPEAKER_06: 49:26

And middle of the field type of middle field type of plays.

SPEAKER_01: 49:29

Where our um linebackers are supposed to cover.

SPEAKER_06: 49:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 49:32

And both of them niggas are lost.

SPEAKER_06: 49:33

Which is crazy because heck of the game we played you guys in. Like that it was a back and forth affair, but where Aaron Rodgers made both of his most of his um big plays middle of the field to tight ends.

SPEAKER_01: 49:43

Yeah, that's also where your safety is supposed to cover. Yeah. No battle is great. Very good. Um they're kind of playing him like a strong safety hybrid.

SPEAKER_04: 49:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 49:53

Like he's can kind of play free safety too. He can't do that. He's not a he's a thumper and a lurker. He's great at run-stopping, he's great at hitting a motherfucker real fucking hard. I would rather die than see him in the open field. I'd rather die. I'd rather die than see that man try to tackle somebody in the open field.

SPEAKER_05: 50:11

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_01: 50:12

He can't do it. It's a struggle. Now, if he's coming downhill, he's about to crack somebody. Right. And he he he can play he plays the ball very well. He can get a pick. But he has, I think he has four this year.

SPEAKER_06: 50:22

If he has to play any type of one-on-one coverage against a against anybody. Anybody, it's not good.

SPEAKER_01: 50:27

But like over the top, you need him to like cover somebody over the top. He could do that. Y'all just playing him like he's a free saver. Yeah. And y'all paid this nigga. I'll never understand that. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Dude, dude. I watch a quarter of every Bengals game. See where it's going. Cut that bitch off. I'm going to go do something productive today. Uh I'll go find God in the Book of Mormon. I'll go do that this Sunday instead of watching the Bengals. Because holy shit. This is painful. Joe Burrow, please don't come back. You will win us football games and you're going to get us a lower pick. I need you to stay injured. I understand you want to come back. You love football. I love you.

SPEAKER_06: 51:12

I don't want to get okay. Let me get to this last game, then we can get into that. Last game that I had to talk about for the college football. Then we'll get to the NFL stuff. Number 10, Texas, going to number five, Georgia. Georgia's six and a half point favorite. This is Texas has like a three-game stretch where this they have some two tough games. They have Georgia right now. They have some nobody team next week. And then they play Texas and the last week of the season. If they lose one, if not two of these games, they have a real chance of not making the playoff at all. And if they win out, they're fine. They probably won't make the Big Ten champ the SEC championship game. But they still have a chance to get into the playoff. Arch's been playing a little bit better lately, throwing the football a little more confidently and doing it that way. Georgia has been a team, like I said earlier, has been flirting with a disaster all year long. They've been a drunk. They've just kind of been sitting, they'll have very slow first quarters, first halves, and then they'll come back in the second half and they'll like make some plays offensively. Their offense isn't consistent. They can run the football a tad bit better than a team like Texas Tank, because Texas can't really run the football at all unless Arch is running, doing it on the fly. Like outside of that, they're really not running the football at all. And Georgia does have some wide receivers that can make plays. They're just not consistent at all offensively. And then Georgia's defense is a tad bit better than what Texas has been throughout the year. Even though Texas was supposed to be like one of the better defenses in all college football, it just hasn't looked like that all year long. Think about it, they let a team like Vanderbilt score 21 points in the fourth quarter to make that game a lot closer than what it was. So if I had to choose, I would think I would have leaned towards Georgia to win that game because I just think they're a little bit more consistent both offensively and defensively. But if Arch Manning really has figured something out and like really has become better, and he comes out and is able to score against Georgia, I do think this game could be a back and forth affair, and I think Texas does have a chance to win the game, but I would lean towards Georgia to win. That's all the Couchwall games we talk about. And now we can get into the NFL stuff where we can talk about the Joe Burrow of it all. Oh, one more thing. Clemson. They have to win two more games just to get into a bowl game right now. And the idea that we're this late into the season and they're still they're still trying to fight to get into a bowl game. I love it because I fucking hate Dabo. Fuck Dabo. Fuck everything about him because he's the most fake person on the face of the goddamn fucking earth. So fuck you, Dabo. And I'm very happy that your team is struggling. I'm not maybe the kids, maybe I'm guessing a little bit happier, but maybe I should look at it, look at it as a demerit because they chose to go play under that fake dude that Dabo is. So that's it. That's all I have on the cosmetal stuff. NFL story time. Joe Burrow. I didn't mention this last week. Let's talk about it now. You've already kind of already mentioned it. Joe Burrow's saying that he might be able to play by Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving, he says that Thanksgiving-ish is where he feels like he can probably come back. It is a lot faster than anybody believed that he could. Everybody was saying that if he like at its like when he first got the surgery, at its at its fastest, he would be back by like December. But he's shaving it off by a few weeks, and he they he already talked to the media and said like he's like, hey, why they're like, why do you want to come back now when everything doesn't look all great? And he's like, we still have a chance to win the division. That's our only chance to get into the playoffs and do what we want to do. And as long as the Bengals kind of can like hold on and stay in stay in the fight. I think the Bengals are what's your guys' record right now? Four, three and six. If you guys can stay in the fight, because as of right now, the Steelers are five and four. In the Steelers are five and four, right? I'm not crazy. Steelers are five and four. The Bengals are a game behind that, and then you guys are two games behind us. So as long as you guys can stay in the fight, and then Joe Burrow can come back, you guys can go on a run. I guess that's what Joe Burrow thinks is an opportunity for him to come back and make the season worth it.

SPEAKER_01: 55:21

No! No! Okay. I don't even look at news about it because I'm like, bro, go sit your ass down. I don't want to win games. I want to be bad. I I want a top fucking five pick. But after we're gonna top five pick, you have to go to fuck Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_06: 55:38

You guys got Jamar Chase. You guys got a real player.

SPEAKER_01: 55:41

So if we just go up there again, pick another godly receiver, have them motherfucking play the slot. Not a receiver. Fuck it, bro. Just keep balling. I don't know. I don't know what to do at this point. I know what I want them to do. Okay, I love Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. Pena Soul's been all in a since he has been in the fucking NFL. Right. And there's times where I'm sitting here looking like, we'd be the Lions right now. Because T. Higgins showed he is plenty good enough to be an up-bone receiver. Now he probably wouldn't have made the Super Bowl that year.

SPEAKER_06: 56:16

But he'd be better right now, potentially.

SPEAKER_01: 56:18

We'd have more money. Probably could have Jesse Biggins.

SPEAKER_04: 56:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 56:22

Uh so the past.

SPEAKER_06: 56:27

Even though you're happy with what you have, it makes you think like what I'm jealous of what the Lions have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 56:31

They're a Super Bowl contender. Yeah. We are up and down. Yeah. For two years we were Super Bowl contenders, and everybody figured out, hey, they ain't really got shit on defense.

SPEAKER_06: 56:45

I just think Joe Burrow, his ultimate mentality when it comes to always wanting to compete, I think that's what is allowing him to think they they really do have a chance he comes back. But the thing is, is that with I hate to say it, with Joe Flacco, you guys haven't been far off from what Joe Burrow brings you when it comes to the production and the passing offense and doing everything like that. I don't think your offense has been really the issue. You guys scored 80 points in two weeks and lost both games. Yeah, I know. With Joe Flacco as your quarterback. And what is Joe Burrow going to get you? Three or four points more than that? So I'm just like, it'll be just a lot more of what you had last year. So I just, as a, in and this is what I told you before when I we've the when the news first came out, is that there is nobody in that organization that can look at Joe Burrow in the eye and like tell him, hey, this is what you're going to do. And that's the problem. Zach Taylor doesn't have any type of high ground when it comes to professionalism in that place because everybody knows he's not good at its job. The owner doesn't have it because, yes, he's rich and he has all the money, but nobody actually respects his football acumen, and everybody thinks he's a cheap dude that's not really actually doing everything they can to win. Like, and the GM is awful because he can't really draft anybody. Heck, Shamar Stewart, who they picked, is has not worked at all this year. So who is supposed to look at Joe Burrow in the eye and tell him, hey, we're just sit down for the year, we'll get you somebody better for next year. Joe Burrow's not gonna believe anybody that tries to tell him that.

SPEAKER_01: 58:13

No one believes the Bengals at this point. I don't no one trusts what any of you are saying. Whoever our general manager is, fire his ass. Whoever our fucking our coach, fire his ass. Our offensive coordinator, draw and quarter this nigga. Um because our current our offensive coordinator from last year, who has been our offensive coordinator since we're super bowl, guess where he's at right now? Nowhere. Head coach of the Titans is who he is. He got fired. He got fired. Yes! So clearly, y'all motherfuckers can't make executive decisions. Right. Y'all motherfuckers can't call plays. Zach Taylor can't. No, real quick, there's no way any of you are calling plays for Joe Flacco. He's just out there. Tomorrow Chase King is down there somewhere. And that really is the offense up.

SPEAKER_06: 58:55

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 58:56

And that works for Flacco. Um because it's our offense is very fucking simple. Yeah. We have all these star players, just on them on the field, let them figure it the fuck out. If I'd be okay, um who uh who would say it? It was Terry Bradshaw. He was like back in the day, he was like, I called all my players. He was like, we were just out there doing this. Right. And that has to be what the fucking Bengals are doing. Joe Burrow must hear it and go, that's fucking stupid. And start calling a play from his playbook. I just it has to be, dude. No way. I just don't get it. I understand. Joe Burrow's gonna play. There's nothing we can do about it. Because again, I don't believe he trusts the Bengals organization. No. I don't think any of our players do at this point. And I don't blame that. I don't trust the Bengals organization. I'm getting really tired of being a fan. I'm not gonna I'm not going down the same fucking road as the Browns, the Raiders, the Falcons. I'm not doing this. I will hop fucking shit. I will hop shit. I'm not doing this. I'm 21 years old. I am not going my whole life without ever tasting soup. I have gotten to that moment. I have been there at the pinnacle twice. AFC championship game, I was there. No stop was made. Fucking stop.

unknown: 1:00:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:19

Yeah, I agree. After you was that San Fran the first time? Was it San Fran the first time? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:49

Yeah, for sure. And then you got to your own Super Bowl. And then it ended how it ended. Twice.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:01

I don't foresee everybody anytime soon. Number one, you need to die. We can't be cheap forever. It don't work. It don't work. It does not work. You have to pay somebody.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:15

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:17

Almost half a billion dollars into the offensive side of the ball. But nothing for the O-line. Yep. Chase Brown is good. He is nowhere near a Bell Cow back.

SPEAKER_06: 1:01:30

Again, you don't need to with the way they're off the rest of your offenses, but it's just.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:37

We have three different tight ends who have all made an all-pro.

SPEAKER_06: 1:01:42

Why? Gaseki doesn't even play anymore. Like he wasn't even playing and then he got an injury and then he doesn't play after that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:49

And but here's the thing. No, Fant was better.

SPEAKER_06: 1:01:52

Yeah, I just think Giseki, the reason why he was there is he had a really good connection with Burrow. And as soon as Burrow went there, Giseki just kind of phased out of the offense altogether. And then Fant comes in as is a lot better of a player as long as he's healthy, which he has been throughout the year for the most part this year. But when Joe Burrow comes back, who knows if that's gonna like a connection that'll come back again?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:12

Again, we have all his money into the offense, all these great offensive pieces with no align, no defense, no defensive line, no linebackers. Our best linebacker we traded in. I just flat out don't understand that. You wanted to get younger and cheaper, but worse. Yeah. He was our best defensive player.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:32

And then Hendrickson, you maybe pissed him off to the point then you wouldn't get rid of him when you had an opportunity to multiple times.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:37

God, I was so fucking confused. Why was he still here during the trade deadline?

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:43

Yeah. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:46

No way he comes back to play. That hip injury is gonna keep him out all fucking year.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:49

Oh, he's gonna take a sweet old time. He's not gonna come back until. Heck, he would I don't see him coming back until Joe Burrow is back.

unknown: 1:02:56

I don't even fucking foresee that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:58

I don't know, man. It's just it's just a weird. Again, I think you will get the it'll you'll have the shirt the short-term like um euphoria of Joe Burrow coming back because you know he's your messiah. But it'll be when he's out there, you're you're awesome, you have a chance to win every game. But you and the back, like I think me and you are having the same feelings for very different reasons. You said you all you put all of your money into your in your offense. Guess what we put all of our money in? Defense and are no quarterback. And I think our offensive line is better, but it's still very young, and we've rebuilt it the long way. And when it comes to offensive pieces, we have DK Metcalf and nobody, and Jalen Warren is a good back, but more of a number two. It's like we're having the same issue, except for up for very different reasons. And I'm at the point where I don't want to see my team win either. I'm like, hey, take the pill for a year, go lose, and try to get some picks to help your team get better, which is why I was very happy they didn't go and trade for another weapon because I'm like, what people, what teams are giving up for those weapons that were given that were given up throughout the trade deadline? Like, I don't want to give up multiple picks for that. Like, well, hey, let's go, let's build our team up for something new. And we're gonna never gonna do that if you just like keep trying to put the band-aid on things and trying to go after it year after year. Sometimes a three to five year plan is the way you build Super Bowl winning teams. And a part of that plan is going to get a quarterback that'll not only be a one-year or two-year rental. Aaron Rodgers has been fine this year, but he has shown that he's 41, 42 years old. And after this year, you should let him go on his merry way and let him go retire. But that's not what they're gonna do. And I I had this mo I don't sure you've listened to this part of the podcast um earlier this week, but I had the epiphany with the Patriots. The Patriots, they now have Mike Vrabel as their head coach. They had five years where they were awful, and it was three technically awful years, and they had a couple bad years with Bill Belichick, but he where they were still like a relatively decent team. But then they had three terrible years where they sucked. They were off the face of the earth, like weren't trying to compete for anything. And guess who they drafted? Drake fucking May, who was now looking like a Josh Allen Light type of player, throwing the ball over the place, and now they have Trayvon. They have the young core, the young wide receiver that they drafted out of Washington State.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:19

I mean Trevion, who they used for five plays. He gets he gets almost 300 yards and a couple touchdowns, and they put his ass back on the bench.

SPEAKER_06: 1:05:26

The last two games, they've he's the number one back because Ramondre Stevenson's not playing, and he's killing, he had three touchdowns last night.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:32

I've never understood why they have been using him more often just throughout the year. I it is I don't know what the fuck There was a video, and it was like the fantasy bust of the week, and he was like, he looked at Trevi and he's like, Did you fuck Mike Vrabel's wife or something? He was like, What did you do to make it to where he's not playing you? Ramondre Stevenson's dog.

SPEAKER_06: 1:05:53

He's been and he's been fumbling the football all year long.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:55

Uh and Trevion Harrison way fucking better. So, dude, I don't know what he did to piss Vrabel off.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:02

Remondre's been gone the last two games. He's been getting and um Trey has been getting all the touches. He had a three-touchdown game last night, two rushing and one uh receiving. And like he's been awesome. He has like over five, six touchdowns now, and he's been doing everything he needs to do. So now they have a young quarterback that is ascending and doing everything well. And this is what makes me mad is like if they just if the Steelers just suck for a couple years, do I Mike Vrabel is not a astoundingly better coach than Mike Tomlin? They're very close. I think Mike Vrabel's a little bit newer in his mentality, and he's a little bit more focused on both sides of the ball, not just defense. So I do think he gives you a little bit better that way, but I'm like, they're not much different coaches. But guess what? He came into a team that sucked for a few years, took the red pill, and got up got a quarterback, and now they're building with a lot of cap space and doing all that. The Steelers, they have the most money sunk into their defense that's not doing shit this year. They have a 42-year-old quarterback, they keep doing band-aids on the issue ever since Ben was Ben retired, and it's been a whole thing. But if you just a couple years, tell the fans to be patient. Again, the Steelers have the Steelers' fans have experienced so much winning, patience should be okay. And just saying, hey, we're gonna build towards the future, we're gonna have a three to five year plan, and we'll be back to being on our winning ways once we get there. Like, you have to build. And just doing this and doing this with having a middle-tier pick every year is not gonna get the job done. It's just not, unless you are going to scout the hell out of college football and pick a guy, because the last time they had the opportunity to do it with Kenny Pickett, it didn't work.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:35

Dude.

SPEAKER_06: 1:07:36

Uh so like I can't trust them to even make that choice if they get to go to try to get a quarterback. So, you know what makes me mad is that Jackson Dart actually looked like he's a guy, and we had an opportunity to get him, we didn't do it. And we put all of our eggs in the again. I wasn't a big Jackson Dart guy. I'm like, hey, I don't think we can make him be that guy, but he's proven in the NFL he's he can do some things. So just like it's a whole thing, man. I'm not, I don't know. It's it sucks. It sucks to not believe in your organization, and you believe in so few players, but organizationally you just don't believe in like everything that they're doing, and it just makes everything a lot worse. And but again, both of us every week we will watch and it's like, hey, can our team do something for us today to make us win? And then we'll be happy if they can. But if not, we're like, oh, we knew that anyway, it was it wasn't gonna go well. It just sucks being a fan sometimes. It does. It does. Um, other story-wise, the NFL. Let's see here. Hendrickson and Stewart are both being gonna be out against the Steelers, so that's gonna suck for us because you guys are still gonna beat us. Um Purdy will probably be back to start for San Fran against the Cardinals. Doesn't really matter, no, because they were getting good enough play out of Mac Jones to win football games, other than last week, where they got dog walked by the Rams. It was so bad. No, we expected the San Fran to get dog walked. Yeah, for sure. It's just the Rams are on a different level right now. Matt Stafford, they got Pukanakua. They have every they want if they have everybody, they can run the football. Their defense is can get a stop every once in a while. They're not like an elite defense, but they'd have everything they need. Like the Rams are like they're getting to the scary point now. Like they're getting like they're there. Um But that's about that's about it. Well, the NFL stories, as far as I can tell. Before we get to the doing the rest of the games, we did have the Thursday night football game last night. New York Jets going to New England to play them. New England won the game um 27 to 14. Sorry, I have a cough. Um so last night, game I watched, it it was not the best game to watch. It was kind of boring. The Jets looked good for a little bit. The first drive they had, they everything was scripted, everything looked good. And I will say Justin Fields was not awful last night. He wasn't he ran the football pretty effectively. Throwing the football really didn't go that well. He only had like 116 yards total passing, and he had a touchdown pass, but like he he was a leading rusher. Again, you don't have um why am I forgetting? No, um, Garrett Wilson. So not having your number one wide receiver definitely takes some of the air out of the tire when it comes to your offense. And then Drake May and the Patriots, they go out there and do their thing. Drake May, 25 of 34 and a touchdown. Trevion, like I said, was awesome last night. He had 62 yards rushing uh with two touchdowns. And then he also had a one touchdown catch as well. He had five receptions for 31 yards and a touchdown. Stephon Diggs was awesome. Nine catches, 105 yards. Mack Collins has been decent, like pretty good over the last few weeks. He had four catches, 64 yards last night. And Hunter Henry also four catches, 45 yards. Patriots are the first team in the NFL to get to nine wins. They're very good. And their defense is not the most talented, but they play hard.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:18

They're solid.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:19

I think I heard last night that a lot of their players had all been cut at some point on their defense.

unknown: 1:11:25

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:26

Because you know what that means. Mike Vrabel has a culture that he wants to build in that locker room, and he wants to build a culture with everybody having a chip on their shoulders. Mike Tomlin knows, I mean, sorry, not Mike Tomlin, Mike Vrabel knows how to pick his guys, and he does, and they play hard for him. And it felt like after every drive, after every series, no matter whether it was the defense or the offense going out there, yes. You saw Mike Vrabel doing. He was going to the bench where all the players were and dapping them all up, saying doing a good job. And you could tell he just he's building a real culture there around him, and like they are going, if they don't win a Super Bowl this year, they will win a Super Bowl at some point because Mike Vrabel's too good of a coach. They now have a quarterback I think could actually be that dude. And they have the most fucking cap space in the NFL right now. So they're only gonna build from here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:14

They're gonna go get some actual fucking weapons next year, going into free agency, and it's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:19

And they have young weapons now. Trayvon is only gonna get better. Like they're only gonna get more, and their defense is gonna get better. Freaking um the corner, Gonzalez is awesome when he's there, but he's been playing healthy this year and playing well.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:31

He was hurt earlier this year.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:33

But it's just like they're only gonna build from here, and it's gonna piss me off because those Patriot fans don't deserve it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:38

You don't deserve greatness. You deserve pain and suffering. You did not have enough pain and suffering.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:44

You didn't. And it makes me very upset. And for the Jets side of it, I the Fields played fine. He wasn't great. The offensive line, once they started to like only be able to pass the football, their offensive line wasn't gonna protect him whatsoever. When they were able to run and pass and like kind of mix it up and do it that way, they were playing a little bit better. Hence leading to Fields playing a little bit better, but it's just they just don't have enough. And Fields gonna get the shaft, they're gonna go draft another quarterback to then ruin him as well. And then Fields gonna be looked at as like, oh, he can't be a starter anywhere. And I'm like, you know what? He's played a part in his own troubles. But I also think he's been in bad spots as well.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:24

I don't I don't believe he's improved a lot.

SPEAKER_06: 1:13:27

He hasn't.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:28

Again, but as I also believe there's a match that was made in heaven with Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_06: 1:13:35

And the Steelers dropped him as well for for whatever dreams they had with Aaron Rodgers. Not just Aaron Rodgers, because they wanted that's the thing, Aaron Rodgers wasn't that wasn't their first choice. They wanted Fields back. But they didn't want they wanted to play hardball and not want to pay him, and then he went and took the guaranteed$30 million he's gonna get from the Jets. Which all the credit to him. If he was gonna take that money, like if you have the opportunity to make that money, this could be your last big contract of your career. Cool, great, you did it, but you're now going to a bad situation where you're gonna be the scapegoat, and now he's not gonna get have any chance. Maybe it'd be like maybe a career backup, because being a career backup is a very lucrative spot, it really is. So like maybe he can do that, but like nobody's gonna think he's a starter anymore after what's happened over the over this past season. But the Steelers wanted him to be their first option, but when they tried to lowball him and he got a better offer from the Jets, they then had to pivot, and the only option was a 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers. But like you said, it was a match made in heaven, but the Steelers tried to think that, oh, it'll be better with Russell Wilson, and it wasn't. And Russell Wilson has looked like ass this year for the for the um Giants every time he's had to go out there. So bad. Well, that's the thing. They don't have him out there, he's been the number two, and then they fire Dayball and Jackson Darts hurt, obviously, because he has another concussion. And guess who they're gonna have go out there? Jameis fucking Winston. Because we don't want to see we don't want to see freaking we don't just want to see Russell Wilson out there anymore. So we'd rather throw the wild card that is Jameis Winston out there. It'll at least be fun, whether it could be a fun disaster or a fun time, but who knows how that's gonna go. But it's just the I just feel bad for Justin Fields, man, because I've seen him play elite ball, and it just sucks that he can never put it together, not only for himself, but in the situation that that he has been in, it hasn't really came all together. So, but again, that's how the NFL works sometimes, man. And no matter what, Justin Fields can come back to Ohio and be back to Columbus and be a guy that'll never pay for another meal again. Because people really do have him in that like that rarefied air of like, hey, he was one of the most exciting quarterbacks to don a Buckeye's uniform. Like that is like without much of a question. So I don't know. It was a good game by the Patriots last night. Nine and two team. And I think I was looking at the Colts as being the only challenger to the to the Chiefs this year, potentially in the potential AFC championship game or in the playoffs. But I think I might have to add the Patriots into this conversation as well because the where they're at right now, I don't think the Buffalo Bills are gonna catch them when it comes to trying to win the division. So the Patriots are gonna get a home field game no matter what in the playoffs, and I think they have a team that can make some moves in the playoffs. So I think I might have two challengers to choose from to try to make sure the Chiefs, but again, do I want the Patriots to go to have a chance to win a Super Bowl this year? After all we have to hear from Patriots fans, I'm like, they don't deserve the success. I don't I might be debt back down to one option now. I I'll be okay with the Colts winning, but not the Patriots. Oh, that's gross. I don't want to have to roll out on the Patriots.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:43

Oh, that's gonna be so awful. Oh, that's uh it's gross.

SPEAKER_06: 1:16:47

Alright. So, talked about the game last night. Our records as of right now. Um, we both hit to pick New England, so we got the win on that. And then our records overall, I am 85 49 and 1. Jace is 89 45 and 1. So Jace is four games ahead as of right now. And uh, let's go ahead and go through the rest of the games and pick them out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:11

Bitch! Stop picking stupid ass plays when I'm not here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:17

Fucking dumbass.

SPEAKER_06: 1:17:19

Yeah, yeah. That's that's on me. I try to get aggressive, think it's gonna work, and then but here's the thing. I usually will, it'll be like two or three splits, and then I'll get two of them, and then I'll lose the third. And then sorry, it'll be like a total of five, and then we'll split the two of them. Split four, and then the fifth one will be the one that you get. It's just kind of how it works sometimes. So we'll go through the rest of the games, um, have our output, outlook as what we think is gonna happen, and then make our picks there. So let's go ahead and start with the first one. This is gonna be Sunday morning. Washington going to Miami. This game is in Spain. I feel bad for the Spaniards because why do they have to watch this goddamn game?

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:01

Sorry.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:01

Washington's awful.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:03

We keep sending these places bad teams.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:07

Like, this is an awful, an awful game. It's it's I think the last one, the last one, the I forget what the last one was. It was Falcons.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:17

Falcons, somebody else in Germany. Uh, and it was a fuggin shit shit.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:22

It was Falcons in Indianapolis. Oh, they did get at least the Jonathan Taylor show. Three touchdowns in all.

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I'm sorry. Uh has my point been proven yet?

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He did at over 200 yards, though.

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Has my point been proven yet, though?

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Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, he is.

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Come on! He is, he is, he is, he is. You have to give it to me now. His best games are against some shitty fucking teams.

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Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. I'll get I can I have I there's it's so much going against me here. I can't I'd be stupid to try to disagree. Yeah, for sure.

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Thank you.

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But uh, Washington, Miami, and Spain, a gross game. I'm taking Miami. Because as much as I I just think Miami. Do I think that Washington can stop Miami from running the football? No, because Washington's defense is awful. So now the only question is can Miami just follow the same game plan that they followed against the Bills last week where they thumped them and the game wasn't even close. I think they have a more likely opportunity to do that because Miami can run the football. And then off of that, then they can rely on Tua with the play action pass and do it that way. Because Washington, they don't have Jaden Daniels coming off the elbow injury and all that. And did we ever talk about this on the pod? Because you weren't here. So Jaden with the elbow injury, they say he might come back at the end of this year for some reason. I'm not sure why they want to do that. But outside of not having him, they don't have Terry McLaurin. They have a bunch of injuries. Their defense has been absolutely atrocious this year. And I just don't, Washington's just not a good football team right now. So I'm taking Miami. You did oh, you're taking Miami as well, or you're taking Washington. This is two very bad options. I totally I can I can totally say it's putting putting anything on the line for Miami is kind of insane.

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You can take um Marcus Mariota True Tua does I have eyes, but no.

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Again, it sucks. I I again I feel bad for the Spaniards, you have to go watch that game. Maybe it'll be a high scoring affair at least. Um, next game, Carolina going to Atlanta. Am I okay, I uh we have both been believers in Michael Penix. I'm starting to not believe. He's very inaccurate. There's a lot of balls that he's throwing that are just off altogether. And I just don't know. He like it seems like he lacks a sense of urgency. Like I've never seen him throw a ball and it felt like he like puts us all into it. It almost feels like everything's really nonchalant, and then it isn't accurate, and then he makes mistakes here or there. Drake London, I think this is one L you might have to take because Drake London's really been that dude.

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Fuck Drake London, no.

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Really? Like you're seriously gonna you're gonna die on this hill?

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Yes, fuck him.

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He keeps killing it, but it's just in Carolina. Do you know what their record is this year? They are five and five.

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That's a lot better than what that was.

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Yeah, no question. I really like and here's the thing. They have not gotten better quarterback play. It has all been about Rico Dowdle being their running back and them just playing good situational football. Like, I just I I want to pick Atlanta because I just think they're a better football team. I think their defense is that better. That's uh that's what I'm gonna pick. Atlanta to win that game. Yeah. But I could totally see Carolina running with Rico Dowdle right down their throats for two touchdowns and just winning this game 19 to 14. It's crazy to think Chuba Hubbard just lost his fucking job. Rico Doddle's been awesome. I'm not gonna lie to you. Like I know, but Chuba Hubbard was really good last year. He was, they paid him. Just to straight lose his job. He got hurt, Rico Doddle took over, and then he never gave the job back.

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I'll take Chuba Hubbard.

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But again, I don't think he I don't think he's a Bell Cal back either.

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I think he's better than Chase Brown.

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I think Chase Brown's a little bit more versatile. He can run and catch the ball at the back a lot better. No.

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Oh, I know. He's the one that led up the fucking linebacker through to hit Joe Burr. I know.

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But that's that's the offensive line's job.

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No, it was his block. That was his block. If the offensive line blocked, he wouldn't have to block. It's it was a design. Chase Brown block. They're gonna not do that. You missed. I had to egg on a little bit, my bad. Okay, uh, I will take that as well because I don't trust Calvin. That and McMillan is good. AJ Tom is better.

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True. Okay. Um next game, Tampa Bay going to Buffalo. This might be Megabuca back. Oh, Maxman back, he played last week, played well, had a touchdown, catch, and all that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:54

I'm starting to really r realize how little offensive weapons is on the bills when James Cook is bad at the whole team's bad.

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When they can't run the football, they can't do anything.

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Because nothing opens up. I told everybody Keon Coleman is fucking ass. He's not good. Don't draft his ass. I told you the years he was getting drafted. I was like, he's going to look dazzling. He's going to look phenomenal. He is a great guy. He's not that good. He's not. Don't draft him. He's not that good. They use a second round pick on his dumbass.

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You know what's crazy is that their best offensive weapon outside of James Cook is Dalton Kincaid.

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Yeah.

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He's fine. He's just he's a he's not he's a good tight end. He's not Kelsey.

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He's not Sam Laporta.

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He's not Kittle. But you look Sam Laporta, he's not asked to be the best receiver on their team.

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Sam Laporta could.

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He could, but we don't have to see it. We don't have to see it. And but the thing with Dalton Kincaid, he's asked to be their best receiver because they have nothing else. No, he's not. And he can't he can't show he can't shoulder that load.

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He's a good tight end.

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But you need to have a real number one receiver on that team, and they don't have it. Like, um, what is his name? Um not Shaheed. Um why am I thinking of that name out of all names? It's the little guy for them. It's I'm on giving the depth chart here. Give me a second. Oh Khalil Shakir.

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Fuck.

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He is their most consistent receiver, and he's a little guy that could he's more of a gadget receiver than anything. Like, like you said, if like key if James Cook is not running the football well, they're not doing anything, and it's all on Josh Allen to either run the football or and or down the field and run people over or to extend plays and throw the football mistakes. He played so badly against Miami last week. That he he that was like old that was like first couple year Josh Allen bad.

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Which is what I'm saying. When he has to shoulder the entire team, he cannot.

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You needn't be so efficient.

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And he's not he's not that efficient.

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He can't he has been over the last couple years, but it's like it can only go so far. It can only go so far. I agree.

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He as a just straight up bower of the football is not as consistent as the other guys. He needs other things to be that consistent.

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I think if he had real weapons, I'd think he would be.

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I agree. I think Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow would still be this good even without any all their weapons. I think Patrick Mahomes would still be this good without his great coaching.

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But you know what's crazy is that we don't have to see it because they're getting the help they need.

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And what help does Joe Burrow have?

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He has the best wide receiver duo in the NFL.

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So why did he miss the playoffs last year again?

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No defense.

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Crazy. Why has he been injured? No offensive line, yes. What fucking help does he have?

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I'm not trying to compare him to I'm not trying to do the comparison thing. Everything's back a referendum on Joe Burrow. I'm not trying to make this a referendum. I'm really not.

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The second best team in the Chief Division is the Broncos, and they're hot. I was wrong about Bo Nicks. My apologies, good sir. Uh I need my you were wrong about Jonathan Taylor. I need that.

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Oh, wrong about Jonathan Taylor. I'll eat that.

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So you know, I I need that. This nigga's been stat patting since my last time I was here on podcast. This nigga stat pats. He gets no touchdowns against any other team. Oh, the Falcons? I'm about to wreck three of them bitches, but he's ass all the other times.

SPEAKER_06: 1:27:30

The Steelers did keep him like under 50 yards rushing.

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And that's what I told you. I was like, the Steelers are gonna hold him to fucking nothing. I was like, if he's not playing a shitty team, he will average 75, which is fine. For a regular smegular ass running back. He's not supposed to be a regular smegular ass running back. No. This nigga's a regular smagular ass running back who has one of the easiest fucking schedules in the world. Somehow propped up by fucking Danny Dimes. But he's not that fucking good. He's stat padding like a motherfucker.

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He's doing it at an elite level right now. You know, do you know how many touchdowns? Do you know how many touchdowns he's on pace to get? Like, he's on pace to break the record for amount of touchdowns in a season.

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No, real quick.

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Which is over like, is like 22 or something like that?

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Yeah, real quick, real quick. Right quick.

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He's doing very good at it. I'm just saying.

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So does Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's run, what, three DPO-wise?

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Yeah, but he's never been close to the sack record.

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True, true, true. If you played the Bengals three times a year, oh he would have gotten that bitch already. I'm just saying. Alright, yes. One of the years he won the defensive player of the year. I shit you not. He had nine sacks on the Bengals. Nine? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Real quick. He only had 18. So half of them came against the Bengals. Yeah. And three came against the Jets.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:50

Fuck you. You didn't do shit. You ain't do shit. Twelve of them were against two teams with some shitty old lines. You abused Sam Darnold, is what you did. I fucking hate it. I hate it. Because he's gonna get office to play of the year.

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Will he? Yeah, he will. Yeah, no, he will. He will. He will. He will.

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No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:16

Sorry, we can't brewery a life as it's been without any football during the week. Uh fall.

SPEAKER_06: 1:29:23

Again, foot football, football's in a round, but you don't have your like your guy. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:28

I'm I'm like, I'm paying attention.

SPEAKER_06: 1:29:30

You're relatively aware, but you're not like all locked, all locked in. I get it for sure. I I totally agree.

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I have nothing of uh word to want for me to want to like.

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Hope.

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I'm not going nowhere.

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I'm not making a bulldoze. I'm not making a fucking playoff.

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No, I get ya. I do. I under totally understand. They are. They are. They're only a game behind Pittsburgh now.

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And they're going to get that game.

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They're gonna get it for sure. It's not gonna it's shit.

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Pittsburgh might lose fucking side they come to Bengals.

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I'm very cl I'm very yes, I'm very aware that's gonna happen.

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But that's only because our offense is better. Uh our defenses are probably equally shit most weeks.

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Yeah.

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No, no. Wait, okay. That was an insult to the Steelers. My fault. Yeah, it's not it's not that bad. My fault, OG.

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But we put too much money in our in we put too much money into that defense to where it's even a question. Like it shouldn't even be a question, but they but with all the questions. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree too. I will did you did you hear about the Asante Samuel Jr. signing? They signed him off of free agency.

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One more thing.

SPEAKER_06: 1:30:39

What?

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Your first round defensive tackle you drafted, he's been really fucking good.

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He's awesome. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:44

I your defense has been bad, but he has sat next to him. It's our secondary.

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So secondary has been awful.

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He has sat next Cam to uh Cam Warden. Cam Hayward. I can't I was trying to think of it. I kept saying Cam and I was like, my brain went Taylor Brighton. I'm like, that's not right. Um he's sat next to him and he's been equal. I think he has 14 QB pressures and he has like two sacks and a bunch of tackles for lost. So he's he will be a very good replacement for uh Cam Hayward. Hayward, yes. Sorry. It's a lot of camps.

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But yeah, we assigned Samta Samuel Jr. to be another corner because you know Darius Lake can't play one football game and say healthy. One. Every game he comes out, he goes out with injury. I'm like, can you just not play one full football game ever?

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I had to pull with you.

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I knew. I again I I I understand, and I was like, oh, it's another option to potentially get our but if something he's coming off a bad injury himself, they had to do a spinal fusion. So like, if but if he can be healthy, like he was good when he was playing with the Chargers when he got drafted and all that. So if he can be anywhere close to where he once was, it's a better option than Darius Slay. And if you especially if you can keep Ramsey at safety and not have to have him play any type of one-on-one corner type defense against anybody. Like he's I think he's actually a very good safety when he plays that position. He can go hit people. Like he's I think he's done that job very well, but it's what whenever he has to play one-on-one coverage against anybody, he's getting cooked every single gosh darn time. Ramsey? Probably he has a he does have a ring.

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He does. And there was uh knives probably about eight years stamp, where he was a top three corner every year.

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He might be. He might be. I don't think it's a lock, though. I don't think it's a lock.

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I don't think he's first ballot in the second ballot.

SPEAKER_06: 1:32:25

He for sure not first ballot. But he's not a lock, though. He's not a lock.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:31

You know, sorry, good. I was about to go on a tangent or something else.

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Tampa Bay Buffalo. Um, I'm gonna take Tampa Bay as well. Tampa Bay has not looked good. They don't look great last week against Patriots because they just don't have all their guys. Patriots are very good. But it's just, do I think Buffalo is going to be able to take advantage of the Tampa Bay's weaknesses? I just don't think so. As long as they can keep, and do I think they have a corner that can stop a Mecca? I just don't think they do. Again, once Tampa Bay gets all their guys back, I think it'll be a lot better team. And I think they'll win the division no matter what anyway, because of how bad their division is. So, but I think they'll beat Buffalo because I don't say I just don't think Buffalo has a team that can stop Tampa Bay. Um, Houston, your tangent.

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Fuck.

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You can keep thinking of it. I'll just die.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:20

So I can no longer have your phone. Yes.

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Um while you're on with while you're figuring out what that tangent was. Houston going to Tennessee. Again, they will be without CJ Stroud because of the concussion that he got a couple weeks ago. Um, but Tennessee is awful. And Houston's defense is absolute monsters. And I'm gonna take Houston. Mach gonna lie, one of their better that team that game was very good last week against Jacksonville, where I think they were down like 20-something points in the fourth quarter, and they came back and won the game when they were it wasn't 20, so it was like 19 or something like that. They came back from a deficit, they looked very good. Um, Davis Mills, their backup quarterback for Houston, played very well in that game. And I think they don't need him to be awesome in this game against Tennessee because of how great the Houston, how much the Houston defense will absolutely dominate Tennessee's offense. And Cam Ward, I don't think Cam Ward will be able to breathe in this game whatsoever. So I'm gonna take Houston and win that game. JSU. I'm gonna take a guess you're not gonna take Tennessee. I'm gonna say that you're gonna take Houston. Um both take Houston there. Next game, we got Chicago going to Minnesota. Tangent.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:47

Have you seen uh 2026 Hall of Fame candidates?

SPEAKER_06: 1:34:51

No?

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:52

Okay, so Geno Atkins is one of them. Okay, you think he's a first bell Hall of Famer?

SPEAKER_06: 1:34:58

No. Why not? Look, give me your stats first before you go that way.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:03

He has 85 sacks. Okay. Now he's a DT.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:09

Um tackles, 384 combined tackles, uh, 110 tackles for loss, 172 QB hits, and eight force win balls.

SPEAKER_06: 1:35:27

Okay, no super bowl ring, obviously. How many Pro Bowls? All pros.

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So this is the one that hurts him.

SPEAKER_06: 1:35:41

No all pros?

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:42

So he has two all pros. Eight Pro Bowls, two all pros ain't bad though. But those all pros came from the two seasons where Aaron Donald wasn't playing.

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So two good all pros two all pros is actually still pretty good though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:02

Two all pros, yeah. And he was a part of the all uh the hall of fame all 2010s.

SPEAKER_06: 1:36:09

Okay, so who are the other candidates? Because they don't just let everybody in, they only let a certain amount.

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Uh I got you.

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You're just gonna give me the names, I'm just gonna go off the top of my head whether they're Hall of Fame or not. And once we have past a certain number.

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True Brees.

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Yes.

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Phillip Rivers.

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Yes. No, not first ballot, no.

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No, no, no, no. Larry Fitzgerald.

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Yes.

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Jason Witten.

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No. I want to say no.

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Not first ballot. I think he'll make it.

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Yes. I agree with that, but no.

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Kringor. Oh, he has like oh, he like he played for so long. He has some crazy ass stats. Now Adrian Peterson was not for no. Um LeShawn McCoy.

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Uh closer, but probably not.

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Julian Edelman.

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I think LaShawn McCoy has a Super Bowl ring, doesn't he?

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He doesn't need it.

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Because he had with the Chiefs, I think, maybe?

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He doesn't need.

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Um probably not, no.

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Julian Edelman.

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No. No. I don't give a fuck. But he's making the I do not care.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:26

He's making the Hall of Fame, though.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:28

He shouldn't.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:30

He was a little white guy that was picked out of everybody to go with Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:34

Okay, okay.

unknown: 1:37:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:38

Marky's pouncy. Yeah, he's making the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:40

Yes.

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Geno Atkins.

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If it's only three as of right now, yeah, he probably gets in because I don't like the other ones.

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Okay, Thomas Davis.

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He was the linebacker from the Panthers. Made a Super Bowl.

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Made a Super Bowl, and he was very, very good. And I think what's hurting him in my brain he played for a long time. He played 05 to the 20. Like his deck.

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He has 13 interceptions. 18 force fumbles.

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29 sacks. 1216 combined tackles. 859 solo tackles. Nine tackles.

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Ottoman. Yeah, why not? Is that it? Anybody else?

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:49

Gino Atkins. Alex Smith. He's not meaning.

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No. No.

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Eli Manning.

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He's gonna get in.

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Donovan McNabb.

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He still ain't in yet.

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See these guys that are coming back up. Donovan McNabb.

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They're gonna let Eli in, so probably not for Donovan. Steve McNabb.

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No. Tiki Barber. No. No.

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No.

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Steven Jackson.

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No.

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Marshawn Lynch.

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He will at some point probably because he's well liked.

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This is his second time try.

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He will at some point because he's well liked.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:38

I think he'll probably make it this try this time right. I'm not seeing a whole lot of people are gonna make it this time right.

SPEAKER_06: 1:39:44

We're sitting at like five or six right now, so that's like a pretty good class.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:47

Anklon Bolden?

SPEAKER_06: 1:39:49

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:49

Donald Driver. No. Chad Johnson.

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No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:54

This is his second try, too.

SPEAKER_06: 1:39:56

He's been out the league way longer than that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:58

And then this is his third try. Way longer than that.

unknown: 1:40:02

I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_06: 1:40:03

Chad Johnson? Cincinnati wide receiver? Yeah, he's been no, he's not getting in.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:08

Brandon Marshall.

SPEAKER_06: 1:40:10

No. Okay, we're we're uh so these are all no's from here on. Zach Miller? No.

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Oh Luke Keekly.

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He he deserves to get in. First ballot is a question, but he deserves to get in, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:27

That was the other These are the guys on the on the ballot. Luke Keekly is the last guy on this list of he will probably not make it first try. But he will get in. Yes. But he will most likely get in because for eight years there was a lot of things.

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He was he was so good. He was awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:41

He was no linebacker by the time. Sorry, it was just something I had What you got for the class, guy?

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No. No.

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Three times.

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No.

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No thanks.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:20

That's all I had today was just the Hall of Famers coming up. I saw that Gina was up for it, and um Another one of those guy players in the Cincinnati Bengals lore.

SPEAKER_06: 1:41:31

That's like one of yours. That's one of the guys for sure. So Houston, Tennessee, both pick Houston. Next game, Chicago going to Minnesota. Chicago is currently on like a four or five game winning streak.

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That's impressive.

SPEAKER_06: 1:41:48

They're six and three right now. Minnesota has been struggling as of recently. JJ McCarthy hasn't been playing great. I think this might be a back-and-forth affair. I the question is, can Minnesota's defense stop Chicago's offense? Chicago's been running the football very well. Caleb, uh Caleb Williams has not been necessarily locked down. He has not been awesome, but he has made some flash plays, especially in that last game against the Giants. He had that touchdown run, the 20-something yard touchdown run. Um it was like no like 15 yards, something like that, to win the game. But can Chicago's offense do something against Minnesota defense? That's where my questions lie. And can JJ McCarthy be anywhere close to consistent? Because I think it has gotten so bad for JJ where I think that like the wide receivers have given up on him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:44

Yes, in a way that so bad beforehand.

SPEAKER_06: 1:42:48

Uh Justin Jefferson was very, very complimentary, happy when he's doing his thing. But you could tell like literally on the field, like you could tell when he kind of gave up. I think it was like when JJ threw like a pick. J and Justin Justin Jefferson's well known to be a team guy. He'll go to try to get the guy down after a pick, and he just didn't even try. So I think I might take Chicago here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:12

I was gonna take Chicago because I believe you're right. I think Justin Jefferson is starting to give up on him, and he is a team guy. And the first like three weeks he was playing, he was over there. Hey, it's alright, let's get back in this game, and he's not doing that. So I'm gonna also take Chicago.

SPEAKER_06: 1:43:28

Okay. And that's another thing. Chicago, they took Jay May, they took uh Judge McCarthy, and I get it, they were trying to go get trade up to go get Drake May, and it didn't work out because you know the Patriots were smart and realized, hey, this is our guy. But just like San Fran had to eat it when they took the one Trey Lance, like you the the Minnesota Vikings have to eat it with JJ. So, you know, you can't like they have enough talent around JJ McCarthy to where he should be able to be better, but I also think it's gonna take coaching. Like you chose the guy, you knew what his deficiencies deficiencies were, and you took him anyway, took him with a top ten pick. So um, you have to take that one on the chin for sure. Um, next game got Green Bay going to the New York Giants. Jordan Love has been awful.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:14

The Green Bay is fraud. Michael Parsons has been trash too.

SPEAKER_06: 1:44:18

He has not been great, but the defense has been doing their job, though. I don't think that the D it's a defense's fault that they've been losing these football games. It's been it's been Jordan Love and the offense has been that's been awful. Again, I get it. Tucker Kraft gets injured, he's out for the rest of the year with the torn ACL. He's one of the better tight ends than all the NFL. So I totally agree that that would be a big loss that you have to get over. But you just use a first-round pick on a wide receiver in Matthew Golden to add that you're not using enough, or he's not really translating in the offense right now, but you have a bunch of weapons, and you gave all that money to Jordan Love.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:52

So like at some point transferring in the offense, or is their offense too are loaded with receivers?

SPEAKER_06: 1:44:58

I don't think any of their receivers are really all that amazing. So like I think it's more about him not translating in the offense because I don't think any of those receivers are talented enough to keep him off the field. Like, I think Matthew Matthew Golden's a very good electric receiver that if they can get that heck, they got Christian Watson back so like they already have a deep guy like in Matthew Golden as a number two, just being like the route guy that can be able to have a little juice to him, he would make a total fit at that spot, but he hasn't necessarily taken the reins on that. And on top of the fact that Jordan Love hasn't been playing all that well and they haven't run the football all that great, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Green Bay because my other option in this scenario is the Giants, and after they just fired Dayball and they're gonna have Jameis Winston as their quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised if they won if the Giants came out and found a way to win the game, but I'm just not gonna put my guess into that. So I'm gonna take Green Bay, even though I hate it. You taking Green Bay as well, sir? Go ahead, pick the Giants then. Take famous Jameis.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:09

I want I'm more inclined to take Jameis than I am to take. I'll take the Packers.

SPEAKER_06: 1:46:19

Green Bay it is then. Next game. Cincinnati going to Pittsburgh. There was a world where we would go to one of these games, either the one in Cincinnati a couple weeks ago or the one in Pittsburgh this week. There was a real chance that we would be going to one of these games if not both.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:36

Joe Burrow got hurt and it ruined it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:46:38

And then Joe Burrow got hurt and it ruined it for all of us. So now nobody can have fun. So we will be watching this this game from our from the comfort of our own homes. And I don't know, man. I want the Steelers to lose. I really do. I think it makes it me feel better about the idea that you now you want your Bengals to lose. So now it's like, hey, who's gonna lose harder and go get a great draft pick to help out their team for the long term? But my question is that with Cincinnati having the injuries that they have, still no Joe Burrow. And the only thing is that I saw what happened last time when you had Mr. Joe Flacco and those receivers going up against the Steelers team, it did not go well. We did not cover your wide your your your um your two wide receivers well, obviously, and Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. And and my thing with the offense is that they played so terribly last week against the Chargers, like can they just turn it around this week? Again, it's Cincinnati Bengals defense. It's as close to a a give me some points type of game that there is because of how bad they've been. Playing a children, you're playing a fucking middle school defense. There was the defense is so terrible. And you don't really have a pass rush to really get after Aaron Rodgers. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:56

I'm taking the Bengals.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:00

I don't know, man. Aaron Rodgers' been bad.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:05

Yeah, you're not wrong. And I think your your team will cook my my secondary.

unknown: 1:48:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:12

Absolutely cook. Unless the Steelers turn it on when it comes to their defensive line and really get after Joe Flacco.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:19

But I don't foresee that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:20

I don't force I don't foresee it either. But I'm like, I'm taking Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:26

I'm taking Cincinnati as well.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:28

If at some point, if I'm gonna keep saying that the Steelers need to lose and they need to take the L, I have to I have to live in that world. I can't have to commit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:36

Um But I do foresee us winning this game. Yeah, I do too.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:40

And like I told you before, I think there's a real chance that your team gets all the way back into being in the playoff conversation again. And then Joe Burrow comes back, you go on a run, and then either you fall at the very end and you'll be at round nine and you know, nine and seven, eight and eight, barely miss the playoffs, and then you won't have as good of a draft pick, or you'll make it and then go and lose in the first or second round because your defense is is bad, like they've have been over the last couple years. Um, next game, Chargers going to Jacksonville. Chargers coming off their big win against the Steelers. Jacksonville's coming off their terrible loss against Houston, where they had a big lead and lost it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:21

They also don't have Travis Hunter.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:23

No Travis Hunter. He got an ACL procedure done. He's gone for the rest of the year. They did trade for Rashid Shaheed, I believe, so he'll be with them for was Rasheed Shahe or the other guy. Or was it the guy from the Raiders? Um I gotta check.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:49

Give me a second.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:52

Depth chart. We got Jacoby Myers. So they got the guy from Vegas. So they do have him. He'll be their number one guy. Brian Thomas Jr. is questionable, so we're not sure if he's gonna play or not. He didn't miss the game last week with an injury. I'm gonna take the Chargers.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:17

I just think that Why are you picking logical now, the Jason's team? Go back to his shitty fucking plays.

SPEAKER_06: 1:50:23

No, I'm just I'm not even saying I'm trying to be smart. I'm just trying to like pick the right pick what I think is the right picks. I just don't think Jacksonville is consistent enough. I don't think the Chargers are much better, but I just think Herbert's playing a little better football right now, and they do have some better weapons around him, at least more consistent weapons. And I think the defense for the Chargers is just a little bit more consistent than Jacksonville. So and I do think Trevor Lawrence is just so up and down. I just can't believe in Trevor on a week in, week out basis at all. And I think their fans just start getting a little iffy on him as well because it is just not at he has not been as transcendent a talent as they were ever promised when they drafted him. And then when they were promised when they repaid him all that money as well. Yeah. Um, Seattle going to the LA Rams. Oh, that's gonna be an awesome game.

unknown: 1:51:14

I'll take a Seattle.

SPEAKER_06: 1:51:15

Do you know Seattle the last two weeks has scored 21 or more points in the first quarter? They've just been they've they've been on the Ohio State Cosmo playoff plan. Like, hey, we're just gonna bombard you with points in the first and second quarters, and then we're gonna cruise the rest of the way. But my problem with that is that can they do that against the Rams? I don't think any lead is safe against this LA Rams team. You're taking the Seattle, you're taking Seattle?

unknown: 1:51:40

I'm taking Seattle. I think that team and O line have been so good.

SPEAKER_06: 1:51:46

Uh include JSN as well. You gotta you gotta have to take the L on JSN. Because when the when he got drafted, you were like, oh, he's only gonna be a number three receiver, and I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:56

No. I never said that. I was like, I don't know how you draft somebody you've only seen one good season on.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:02

Because JSN's that dude. I JSN is on target to hit go over 2,000 yards this season.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:08

Oh, my bad. I couldn't guess that based on his one season of healthy play.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:14

He was healthy for one season. And he was great.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:17

And he was also great for one season. Rashawn McCoy.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:25

You're talking about his one season in college? He was he was healthy for more than that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:30

No.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:31

Yes, he was.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:32

No, he was only fully healthy for one season. His last season in college, no, his last season in college, Marvin Harrison took over. And he was good, but he only ended up with like 800.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:42

Yeah, but because JSN got hurt early on in that season.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:44

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And then his first season there, Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave was still there. Yeah, but they were already. You'd be you they had to go off based off one season. And I'm well, I never said he wasn't good.

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:00

You question whether he would be a number one or not.

unknown: 1:53:02

I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:04

He's a number one, plus that. He might be the best. I'm allowed to question that. He's a top five wide receiver in the NFL right now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:10

I'm allowed to question that when there's your tape on him, yes.

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:16

Oh, so you're not gonna take the L yet on that? Okay.

SPEAKER_07: 1:53:19

Okay. All right, all right, okay.

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:22

I'm taking the Rams. I I just think that the nuking thing that the Seattle's been doing to everybody, that's not gonna work against the Rams. Because no lead is safe. They're gonna keep throwing like Matthew Stafford's playing at an unreal level right now. He's throwing the ball to Pukanakua. He's throwing to Devontae Adams. Like he did get hurt with a back injury last week, Devontae Adams, but I think he might be back for this game. Now I want to check just to make sure. Um he's questionable, but they're saying he should be back for this game. And I just think they have so many weapons for this LA Rams team, especially especially with them being at home. I'm gonna take the Rams. That's a good split, me being smart. Um, next game, San Fran going to Arizona. San Fran gonna have Mr. Purdy back.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:11

Oh, I'm taking San Fran.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:13

And Arizona, no Marvin Harrison because he had an appendectomy. So no Marvin Harrison. They're not gonna have him this week. But I think they have been big, they've been playing a lot better without Kyler Murray in general. Um I'm taking I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:31

I'm taking Sanford.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:33

I might have to match you on that. Because if that if Arizona had Marv, I'd feel a lot better about taking Arizona. But I just don't think Arizona has enough weapons to s to scare San Fran into not playing the way they want to play. So I'll take San Fran and win that game as well. Next game, we got Baltimore going to Cleveland.

SPEAKER_03: 1:54:51

It's Baltimore.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:54

Baltimore's gonna get their way. They started the season as terribly as they did, and they're gonna come back and they're gonna do it game by game, and they're only one game behind Steelers now. And guess what? After this week, they'll be tied for the division lead, and the Baltimore will just run away with it and get back into the playoffs and do what they normally do. Because the Steelers are ass. And Cleveland's ass. Dylan Gabriel's ass.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:16

I have to name 56 quarterbacks to be better than Dylan Gabriel.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:20

The idea that Shador Sanders has not been given an opportunity yet. Again, I'm not a Shador Sanders guy, but Dylan Gabriel's been so bad that they should have been at least give one question like, hey, can we at least give Shador Sanders a couple of.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:39

Stefansky don't care.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:42

Gable's been bad. He's been bad. He's been so bad. But Stefanski's like, hey, fuck it. I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna go out on my own sword.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:49

Or we fired anyway.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:51

I just I don't know. I and Miles Garrett, though, I hope that money feels very good. I hope that money in your bank account is very nice because all the question that you had about this team coming into the year as to why you asked for the trade, they're still there. So all that money won't mask it, and he's gonna be sad every time he leaves those games because he's gonna put up all the numbers that he wants, and they're not gonna win football games, and it's gonna be he's living in hell. He's living in hell when it comes competitively. He's living in hell with that. He has a lot of money though, so credit to him for that, I guess. You are indeed rich, very rich in Cleveland as well. Man, he probably owns everything in Cleveland with all the money he has. Um, next game, Kansas City going to Denver. I will say if Kansas City loses this game, they are only hoping for a wild card spot. They wouldn't have no chance to win the division if they lose this game to Denver. And that is why I'm gonna take Kansas City in this game. Bo, Bo has been sorry, why am I thinking forgetting his name? Bo. No. Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks for Denver has been ass. Ass, ass, ass. And it has not been good. He's the only good thing that he has done this year is had those fourth quarter comebacks. But outside of that, he has not played good football whatsoever. And Denver's defense is very good, but I think Kansas City knows that Denver defense very well. And I think Patch Mahomes is going to be ready for this game, and I think he'll do exactly what he needs to do in the football game. I'm taking Kansas City to win the game.

unknown: 1:57:32

I don't foresee he's been bad. He's been atrocious. Let me do that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:36

Boneck's been so bad, man.

unknown: 1:57:37

Atrocious.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:38

And I was dying on the hill of he's good. I was wrong. I was so severely mistaken.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:45

It's it's just bad.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:47

Again, when you watch one player play for so long in college and he hasn't been good, and then they try to tell you in the draft process, like, oh, he has he can be Drew Brees, and I'm like, no, he can't. Like at some point, like you watch so much of a guy, like you you just know what you're getting. And unless you're gonna get an unreal type of transformation out of a guy, it's not gonna happen. And guess what? Bo Nicks ain't that dude. So Candace. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:13

You really think Philip Rivers is the first ballot Hall of Frame?

SPEAKER_06: 1:58:17

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 1:58:18

Not first ballot, but he will make the Hall of Fame.

unknown: 1:58:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_06: 1:58:23

Because think about it this way Eli Manning is gonna make the Hall of Fame because he has two Super Bowls and all that. He has the Manning name. But Philip Rivers has a better winning percentage than Eli. And I also think he sits higher up on a lot of like different stats than Eli does. And it's just, I don't know. I I he won't be a first ballot, but he'll be there because if you question what he did as a player in the regular season, he was much better than Eli. He just doesn't have the postseason success that Eli does. But Eli doesn't have any of the regular season success. He's literally 500 for his career. And he's gonna make he's gonna be a he's gonna be a uh uh Hall of Famer. Again, those two legendary runs were great. He was awesome in those runs, but outside of that, he was a meh quarterback at best. With the Manning last name. Again, he's not the Arch isn't the only person to benefit from having the last name Manning. So uh credit to credit to him. He's not the only one to get the benefit um of that of that last name. The only person that earned it was freaking Peyton.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:33

Well, it's their dad.

SPEAKER_06: 1:59:34

Their dad.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:35

Obviously, you gotta make the name to earn the name.

SPEAKER_06: 1:59:38

Yes, I was yes, RC made the name big. Peyton Manning earned being that heck, I think he elevated it to a certain extent because he brought the winning.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:49

That he didn't fall with his dad's foot first.

SPEAKER_06: 1:59:52

True. Peyton, awesome, but everybody else is meh. Um, and then you got next game, Detroit going to Philadelphia. Philadelphia played that Thursday night football game last week, won it 10-7, and then beat Green Bay this past week 13 to 7, only having that one touchdown to Devontae Smith. And then you still have AJ Brown going on Twitch while he was playing video games, talking about how the offense isn't good, we need to be better, and all that. And then the media asks him during the weeks, like, hey, when you're talking about that, what did you mean? And then he doubles and triples down. He is never going to be that dude. I do have to get AJ Brown this credit. I do I think he's been not an adult about the situation. Yeah, for sure. I think he's had his issues. I also think he's been right. The offense has been bad. They need to use the wide receivers better, both him and Devontae Smith. And like all those things I think he's correct on, even though I think it does come from a I want to get my stats type of thing. But he's right on all the criticisms. But what I will give him a lot of credit on is that he has stood ten toes down. He has not gone back in anything he said. And what I will say is that he's never downed anybody, anybody in particular. He has never said that Jalen Hurts is awful. He has always said it's we, we need to be better, we need to do this better. It's never anybody particularly, he's like, hey, it's hard for us to sit there and like only rely on our defense to do their jobs and pick up the slack for us when we're not doing what we have to do. So like I will give him that credit is that he has never, it has never been a only one person's fault thing. He has made it everybody's fault, but I do think he has made it a weird situation where he is all he is never going to quiet the noise around that team. He's never going to. He's never going to be that dude to do that. But at least he's not going after any one player in particular, even though I do think that the real issue is between him and Jalen. Those two not being okay makes this team go as haywire as it is, on top of the fact they don't have a real offensive coordinator. So I don't know. It's and then then now they have to play Detroit. Detroit with Dan Campbell now calling plays. Did you see that last week? I didn't. He had the play sheet in his hand. Again, he did it against a very bad team. Who'd they play last week? Now I gotta check it. Again, they played against the commander. So it's like almost like you took you took the sticks and Madden, and then you set it on easy mode. So he didn't make the job harden himself when he took over, but I just think the Philadelphia defense is awesome. With the defensive end they took from Miami, Jalen Phillips, played very well for Philadelphia last week. But I just think Detroit has a very good offensive line. I think they'll be able to keep Jared Goff a little bit more upright. And with that, I just think they have so many weapons I don't think Philadelphia's gonna be able to stop them. So I'm going to take Detroit. Who you got? Eagles have been messed. Okay, I'll take it. Detroit it is. And then last but not least, we got the Monday night game. We have this game should be flexed out. There's no way this game should actually be on television. But it's going to be because it's Dallas and everybody keeps watching them. So ESPN will not will not be able to help themselves but to have this game on. It'll be Dallas going to Las Vegas to play the Raiders. I'm taking Dallas because they have at least have an offense that you can rely on.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03:29

Geno Smith is not good.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03:32

I'm gonna pick whatever team don't have Geno Smith, because Geno Smith you said he was, oh, he's gonna be good. No, he's ass. He's ass. He's draw.

SPEAKER_06: 2:03:40

I have to hold to hold that L on that because I was a big believer in Geno Smith before the season started. He has not been good. But you know my only problem with picking Dallas in this game is that Vegas does have um why am I forgetting his name now? It's Brock Bowers. He is back. And I don't think Dallas has anything to stop Brock Bowers. And as much as Geno Smith has not been good this year, he has been a lot better when Brock Bowers is out there on the field because he's a practical cheat code. Throw him a five-yard hitch and he's gonna take it to the house. He's gonna like give him a bigger play, he'll get open and be just somehow wide, what butt naked open for Geno Smith to throw to. And I think it just opens up the whole offense for everybody else, and I think it makes it a lot easier. So, and Dallas has been a defense that has been like a make-a-wish defense all year long. So if you if you have a bad offense that you just want to show that you could do something against some another NFL team, Dallas's defense is a defense to go against because they're gonna give up yards and points to everybody. But I just think Dallas. I think he already has this year. Um, he hasn't. He hasn't played, he hadn't faced Dallas. Um, but I just think that Dallas, a little better offense. I think they're gonna win that game. Well, who you got? Alright, that's all the games. The two teams that are on by this week is gonna be Indianapolis and New Orleans. And I'll say our records one more time. I'm 85, 49, and one. Jace is 89, 45, and one, only four games ahead. Again, we have more than enough time. I can catch back up. Chill out. And as long as you're here, apparently I can make some smart picks and have some very good smart splits. So hopefully it'll go my way. And that's about it for all of our NFL picks we had to make. And we make sure there's no other stories that have popped back up since we have started doing the pod. There is nothing else. So that's about it for us. We are sitting right around two hours, so that's not too bad for us. And let's go ahead and the pod. So if you listen to the podcast for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just now joining on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you like us and enjoy us, we would appreciate if you could do a couple things for us. If you can like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. We're pretty much available on all audio platforms out there. If you if you do like us, you you also could do you also could share us with friends, family, enemies, anybody if you like can enjoy the podcast we put we put out on a weekly basis. We have two times a week during the football season. We would love if you can do that. And then last but not least, if you could follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you'd like to call it, at JB Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Javante Boozer is my handle, at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I will hand it over to Jace so he can finish off the pod.

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